Is the workpiece needed to be perfectly at the center of table ? My part is off center of table about .005-.008. I use cycle 800 and when rotating the part to drill a hole on other face, the hole is always off to its true position like .005-.008.
This sounds like a kinematics issue, the centres of rotation probably need re calibrating on the machine. A few microns wrong & it is exaggerated the further you go out from center due to the machine using trigonometry to work out the positions with rotations. The trigonometry is done by the machine constantly working out the position from the centre of rotation, the tool cutting point & the spindle nose
@@Killou you can normally pay your machine manufacturer to do the calibration for you, or if you have a touch probe & calibration sphere you can do it yourself with some training. Normally you input the basic information in a kinematics cycle on the machine & tooling information for the probe your using, then the machine will calibrate its self. If you search on UA-cam for 'cnc kinematics' you should pretty quickly come across a video if someone using a touch probe & calibration sphere to do this
@@iRaised95 well worth the money. As long as you run the calibration cycles we haven’t had a single issue. Machine can interpolate a .0002 hole 1st try after sitting for 1 week over the holidays
Hey, great video! I’m new to this machine and I’m having issues with jerkiness or fluctuating feed rates while simultaneous 5axis milling. I tried entering a G93 to let the axis sync before the next movement but it didn’t help. It almost looks like the WCS isn’t in the center of rotation for the bed, but I checked and it’s within a .0001” of center for rotation. Any input would be appreciated. Thank you
@@kw2519 did you use 3d quick set to establish your center of rotation? You should be able to use any program origin you want and enable traori to track it. Traori is what Siemens calls tool center point control (g43.4 on fanuc). I suggest using traori and cycle 832 with the ORI tolerance turned on and use fgroup(x, y, z, c, b) before those calls
@@TheFeralEngineer I did not. Nobody at the shop knows anything about the DMU50 or Hypermill. So I’ve had to teach myself literally everything from manuals and trial and error. I’ll look into those things and see what I uncover. What you said makes sense, I just have to teach myself to use it. I am about to get a boot camp from Hypermill and am scheduling training on the dmu50 just so I understand how to fully unlock this thing. My progress has been dependent on what kind of part I’m making. Thank you.
excellent cut, question can you tell me what is the beginning of your g code arrived by mastercam in the origins to me by default it shows me (DEF REAL _X_HOME, _Y_HOME, _Z_HOME, _C_HOME, _B_HOME) (_X_HOME = -. 1 _Y_HOME = -. 1 _Z_HOME = -. 1 _C_HOME = 0.0 _B_HOME = 0.0) (G17 G700 G54 G90) In this cut, what is it that appears to you, could you disarm me or send me just the head/start of your program?
this is 5 axis simultaneous. This movement is not possible with 3+2 axis. 3+2 is just positioning the table and then milling, positioning and milling etc. 5 axis simultaneous is when all 5 axis are moving at the same time. This is also fundamentally different toolpath wise. on 3+2 axis, X Y and Z are always in the same direction where as in 5 axis movement in the X+ direction can be physically in every direction, depending on the table rotation.
That was beautiful. 🎉
Is the workpiece needed to be perfectly at the center of table ? My part is off center of table about .005-.008. I use cycle 800 and when rotating the part to drill a hole on other face, the hole is always off to its true position like .005-.008.
no the machine has RTCP/TCPM function.
This sounds like a kinematics issue, the centres of rotation probably need re calibrating on the machine. A few microns wrong & it is exaggerated the further you go out from center due to the machine using trigonometry to work out the positions with rotations. The trigonometry is done by the machine constantly working out the position from the centre of rotation, the tool cutting point & the spindle nose
That's interesting @@cncncnc23, tell me more about that calibration process, isn't it hard to measure and apply the right settings ?
@@Killou you can normally pay your machine manufacturer to do the calibration for you, or if you have a touch probe & calibration sphere you can do it yourself with some training. Normally you input the basic information in a kinematics cycle on the machine & tooling information for the probe your using, then the machine will calibrate its self. If you search on UA-cam for 'cnc kinematics' you should pretty quickly come across a video if someone using a touch probe & calibration sphere to do this
Swarf toolpath?
we are looking to get one for our shop, do you have some knowledge how much this puppy cost?
$450k was our price. Fully loaded with every option.
@@S.Carlson jesuz they dont mess around in prices.
what do you think about quality and regidity and accurate position?
@@iRaised95 well worth the money. As long as you run the calibration cycles we haven’t had a single issue. Machine can interpolate a .0002 hole 1st try after sitting for 1 week over the holidays
@@S.Carlson that's awesome 5 microns in millimeters that's super crazy
you got yours with which controller?
we only have Haas with a couple Tr160
@@iRaised95 it has the Siemens 840D controller. Not a lot of people enjoy it but I don’t mind it
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Is it siemens or heidenhein?
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Hey, great video! I’m new to this machine and I’m having issues with jerkiness or fluctuating feed rates while simultaneous 5axis milling. I tried entering a G93 to let the axis sync before the next movement but it didn’t help. It almost looks like the WCS isn’t in the center of rotation for the bed, but I checked and it’s within a .0001” of center for rotation.
Any input would be appreciated. Thank you
Are you using traori and cycle 832?
@@TheFeralEngineer cycle 832, I’m new to Siemens based stuff and 5 axis. Long history of Fanuc.
@@kw2519 did you use 3d quick set to establish your center of rotation? You should be able to use any program origin you want and enable traori to track it. Traori is what Siemens calls tool center point control (g43.4 on fanuc). I suggest using traori and cycle 832 with the ORI tolerance turned on and use fgroup(x, y, z, c, b) before those calls
@@TheFeralEngineer I did not. Nobody at the shop knows anything about the DMU50 or Hypermill. So I’ve had to teach myself literally everything from manuals and trial and error.
I’ll look into those things and see what I uncover. What you said makes sense, I just have to teach myself to use it.
I am about to get a boot camp from Hypermill and am scheduling training on the dmu50 just so I understand how to fully unlock this thing. My progress has been dependent on what kind of part I’m making.
Thank you.
excellent cut, question can you tell me what is the beginning of your g code arrived by mastercam in the origins to me by default it shows me
(DEF REAL _X_HOME, _Y_HOME, _Z_HOME, _C_HOME, _B_HOME)
(_X_HOME = -. 1 _Y_HOME = -. 1 _Z_HOME = -. 1 _C_HOME = 0.0 _B_HOME = 0.0)
(G17 G700 G54 G90) In this cut, what is it that appears to you, could you disarm me or send me just the head/start of your program?
12 BLK FORM 0.1 Z X+0 Y+0 Z+12.2
13 BLK FORM 0.2 X+80 Y+14 Z+28.2
14 M70
15 CYCL DEF 247 DATUM SETTING ~
Q339=+1
16 M126 M129
17 L Z-.1 R0 F MAX M91
18 PLANE RESET STAY
19 L B+Q121 C+Q122 F MAX
20 ;
21 ;TOOLPLANE NAME - TOP
22 TOOL CALL 51 Z S15000
23 ;1.2 X 6 FLAT ENDMILL TOOL - 51 DIA. OFF. - 51 LEN. - 51 DIA. - 1.2
24 ;HOLDER - DEFAULT HOLDER
25 TOOL DEF 22
26 CYCL DEF 247 DATUM SETTING ~
Q339=+1
27 L Z-.1 R0 F MAX M91
28 ;
29 CYCL DEF 32.0 TOLERANCE
30 CYCL DEF 32.1 T0.05
31 CYCL DEF 32.2 HSC-MODE:0 TA1.
@@cncmanufacturingptyltd5189 Heidenhain?
The def real values are to establish your SUPA position at the end of your program
G0 g90 supa Z=_z_home in your case would be z-. 1
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Thats not 5 axis. This is 3+2
Are your eyes working?
Its a 5 axis champfer 3+2 is positioning with rotary and then milling with your xyz
NO.. this is 5
this is 5 axis simultaneous. This movement is not possible with 3+2 axis.
3+2 is just positioning the table and then milling, positioning and milling etc.
5 axis simultaneous is when all 5 axis are moving at the same time. This is also fundamentally different toolpath wise.
on 3+2 axis, X Y and Z are always in the same direction where as in 5 axis movement in the X+ direction can be physically in every direction, depending on the table rotation.
@@ipadize how much is price difference???