Many people commenting don't know much about how older diesels worked. I'll admit I don't know everything but I've owned over 40 vehicles and equipment with diesels on my farm and this is exactly how you started all of the older ones even when -30c and never suffered engine damage. Diesels come with heavy duty starters for a reason. Pedal to the floor, and if it's sputtering keep cranking until it starts unless it doesn't start within about 45 seconds to 1 min, then let the starter cool. If it is giving you no signs of starting after 10 seconds of cranking then yes, don't keep cranking as you're likely gelled up. (I've gotten bad winter blend diesel batches that have done that before) Granted, if you have a coolant heater plug in, ether injection option, glow plugs, or grid heaters USE them it if possible. That engine was used in a lot of generators and made to start at full throttle in extreme conditions. Either way, that 4TB will out last you. Anyways, love that truck and Cummins. Thanks for sharing!
I disagree! As a former diesel engine builder, this is how you destroy a starter! If you crank it, get a few fires in the cylinders, stop, and wait 30 seconds, and try again, you will allow those frozen pistons to thaw and grow in size. ( Yes They do shrink). Patiences Grass hopper!
Everybody keeps talking about the starter overheating on a cold engine in the snow... Smh. The real champ here is the battery thats frozen and still cranking like a boss.
If theres no grid heater or glow plugs, a second long shot of either goes a long way. Cranking past 10 seconds shortens the life of the battery, the alternator that has to replace that huge loss of battery power, and the most effected, the starter due to heat. I live in the northeast, I get it. Dont tell me this the way its supposed to be, though. Not the end of the world, and that's a cool rig btw.
Don't get me wrong: I am very happy with every liter of toxic diesel gas, but what comes out of this is not enough. Hopefully there was still that nice smell to that very little bit of smoke that did come out! It's fantastic that the exhaust itself was also filmed. We want to see and smell the smoke as soon as possible as soon as it is made, so beautifully filmed!
The starter lives next to a engine that operates between 180 to 205 degrees. It started of at 18 degrees. The starter is fine. I'd love to see how some people run a winch. 😂
I have a question how do you pull enough vacuum to use the brakes I have a 1989 Jeep Cherokee with a 4bt and my brakes don’t work very well I have to slam on the brakes to get them to work
What transmission are you running I got an 89 k1500 I’m trying to do the swap in it has the hlm60 5 speed pretty much the same thing as a nv3500 just an early version. I found everything to do the swap besides motor mounts which I was gonna make my own the only thing I’m having a hard time finding is the flywheel/clutch kit I found the adapter kit tho for the trans
Shouldn't hold the starter that long. It gets the starter hot and the wires will melt in some case's. 10 seconds max, wait 10 seconds repeat. Great video btw!
You must not know much than... I have a 2 danger diesel Detroit. And a 3 banger and a 4 banger also.. and they start easier than that..and Detroits are a SON-OF-B*TCH! to fire in the cold.. he domt know how to start a diesel, id of had that pickup fired way faster than him....TRUST ME.. he ain't got no business messing with diesel engines
As long as the glow plugs work, 7.3's start almost like a gasser. No glow plugs, hard starting. Below 20f, all diesels sound broken for a minute or two. I have owned all of the big 3. I had a 7.3 that the glow plugs were burnt, a tiny shot of either fired it very quick. Literally like a half a second long shot was all it took in the cold. Btw, powerstroke 7.3s or any modern diesel after 1995, the accelerator pedal trick doesn't work as well as the mechanical diesels where the pedal is opening a valve to flow more fuel. Electronic systems widen the injector pulse width, and some ECM's wont allow that until after it has fired.
Beautiful. To tell the truth. If I had the money. That is the truck I would build. And if I had your truck . It would saty the same I would not charge Nothing about it at all. Love it 100% one day I will have something like that. Yes sir I will.
@@oldcroneysgarage9739 5.9l 24v common rail it was a construction truck so it already had a cummins trans and transfer case and its double framed they used it as a crane service truck it has 3500 suspension axles etc and added frame rail crossmembers for extra support and all the wiring and everything i did im all in it about 10,000 but who knows i may do more i dreamed of having a diesel for years couldnt find one not rusted took me 10 years of searching so i just decided to build one my dream truck is a 99-03 7.3l powerstroke full 4dr (supercrew cab) 4x4 dually when i get one ill be doing a custom build that alot of people have requested and has never been done ive searched everywhere cant find anything like it thx ffor taking the time to read tthis and reply i hope you have a great night
I did two cold starts like that on my 5.9 12 valve. Both times the crankshaft snapped in half within 30 seconds. Those are weak engines and not intended for cold starts
The crank of a B series Cummins is probably one of the most turgid cranks I’ve ever held, your on some fucking bullshit if you think we’re gonna believe this.
No real damage to that engine. Just the same as starting you gasoline car in the mornings. The starters made to run for extended periods of time. Its all heavy duty stuff for a reason
@@chevy6794 I've started at lower temps then that but my 5.9 Cummins has a grid heater and I was on the road so not much option. If I'm home the rig's getting plugged in. Absolutely no need to force a cold start like that. Do what you like but you're not doing your batteries, starter or engine any favors.
I bet that thick engine oil didn't start flowing for at least 40 seconds. Your lower end is toast brother. You don't ever ever ever start a diesel in the winter. Those are warm weather engines only or plug them in
Many people commenting don't know much about how older diesels worked. I'll admit I don't know everything but I've owned over 40 vehicles and equipment with diesels on my farm and this is exactly how you started all of the older ones even when -30c and never suffered engine damage. Diesels come with heavy duty starters for a reason. Pedal to the floor, and if it's sputtering keep cranking until it starts unless it doesn't start within about 45 seconds to 1 min, then let the starter cool. If it is giving you no signs of starting after 10 seconds of cranking then yes, don't keep cranking as you're likely gelled up. (I've gotten bad winter blend diesel batches that have done that before) Granted, if you have a coolant heater plug in, ether injection option, glow plugs, or grid heaters USE them it if possible. That engine was used in a lot of generators and made to start at full throttle in extreme conditions. Either way, that 4TB will out last you. Anyways, love that truck and Cummins. Thanks for sharing!
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I disagree! As a former diesel engine builder, this is how you destroy a starter! If you crank it, get a few fires in the cylinders, stop, and wait 30 seconds, and try again, you will allow those frozen pistons to thaw and grow in size. ( Yes They do shrink). Patiences Grass hopper!
Next video “installing a starter on a 4bt” 😂
Oh yeah like 3 minutes of cranking on it 🤣🤣🤣 shits burnt smooth up
No more than 20 seconds is the norm. They overheat bro.
Sweet truvk
Stick a small pen torch on low in the intake for about a minute and then try cranking it. It works and wont burn up the starter.
Started on the first try.
Indeed it did
Next job
Install new starter
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love those little engines. I'm considering one for my 2004 F250 4x4, paired with my stock ZF6 transmission, mild p-pump mods, and compounds.
2:38-3:54 that starter has to be toast by now.
Lol right. Give the thing a minute
I'm
Everybody keeps talking about the starter overheating on a cold engine in the snow... Smh. The real champ here is the battery thats frozen and still cranking like a boss.
also love how its so torquey that the truck shakes just from trying to start it
If theres no grid heater or glow plugs, a second long shot of either goes a long way. Cranking past 10 seconds shortens the life of the battery, the alternator that has to replace that huge loss of battery power, and the most effected, the starter due to heat. I live in the northeast, I get it. Dont tell me this the way its supposed to be, though. Not the end of the world, and that's a cool rig btw.
Men, that was frozen everywhere, like the setting, 4bt excelent for a small pick up, perfect weight don’t damage the suspension and steering, awesome
Burn up many starters?
Don't get me wrong: I am very happy with every liter of toxic diesel gas, but what comes out of this is not enough. Hopefully there was still that nice smell to that very little bit of smoke that did come out! It's fantastic that the exhaust itself was also filmed. We want to see and smell the smoke as soon as possible as soon as it is made, so beautifully filmed!
This is a perfect example of "Because you can doesn't mean you should"
Can't imagine how hot those battery cables were after the fact
The starter lives next to a engine that operates between 180 to 205 degrees. It started of at 18 degrees. The starter is fine. I'd love to see how some people run a winch. 😂
Nice sounding 4 cylinder Cummins
Man that is bad ass! I have a 4bt in an old case skid steer I’d like to swap into a 2nd gen Dakota.
Warming up the engine with the heat from the starter 🤣🤣🤣
Some cold start spray would be a big help
I would love to know more about the conversion! Also might think about parking that bad boy in the early morning sun. Will help with the ice removal.
I have a question how do you pull enough vacuum to use the brakes I have a 1989 Jeep Cherokee with a 4bt and my brakes don’t work very well I have to slam on the brakes to get them to work
Vacuum pump
sooo, no glow plugs are installed? they woulda made that start a lot easier.
Never had them from factory.
@@chevy6794 oofage
What transmission are you running I got an 89 k1500 I’m trying to do the swap in it has the hlm60 5 speed pretty much the same thing as a nv3500 just an early version. I found everything to do the swap besides motor mounts which I was gonna make my own the only thing I’m having a hard time finding is the flywheel/clutch kit I found the adapter kit tho for the trans
Nice looking truck!
Is that an 80’s model?
Out of curiosity, where do you buy your starters at? What kind of starter do you have on that thing?
At that rate, he probably keeps a spare in the glove box. I think id just give it a small whiff of starting fluid
Hi what part of the usa gets snow in late October
Colorado, Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, and more.
@@d.s7741 hey thanks very much for the info
I think you should try to find a way to warm it first .maybe a space heater .
super awesome! way better than any modern diesel, love your truck,😁
How you get the stock tranny to mate to the diesel
oh my god that starter has to be hot AF!
Shouldn't hold the starter that long. It gets the starter hot and the wires will melt in some case's. 10 seconds max, wait 10 seconds repeat. Great video btw!
The cooked starter, alternator, battery and positive terminal are his BLOCK HEATER🤣😭😭
Electric cabin, and intake air heaters for the WIN!
How long did it take to get warm air from the heater ?
Probably until summer. lol.
They really don’t warm up in the winter.
Quite possibly the most bad ass 4cyl there is. I need to know how hard it was to swap! New subscriber here.
You must not know much than... I have a 2 danger diesel Detroit. And a 3 banger and a 4 banger also.. and they start easier than that..and Detroits are a SON-OF-B*TCH! to fire in the cold.. he domt know how to start a diesel, id of had that pickup fired way faster than him....TRUST ME.. he ain't got no business messing with diesel engines
You can fit a second gen Dodge intercooler in there fairly nicely...
Iphone 11 pro max was used to film this.
Should install a block heater
Is that a sm465?
erk409 unfortunately yes
What's the top speed without overdrive? Must scream lol
What transmission are you running behind the 4bt?
Is it the sm465?
Yes
What transmission did you use ???
Get a grid heater in there.
Is it for sale
It can be
Why no glow plugs? 4BT doesn't have it?
No. They have a grid heater like the 5.9 and 6.7 Cummins have.
People just seem to like removing the grid heater for more performance.
Thats a hell of a battery! What brand is it?
Next time hit the gas peddle it’s helps in my 7.3l diesel when she starts to kick
Your 7.3 would only start if it’s 80 degree f out and it was brand new off the sales lot
@@chrissyeaston5902 alright even you know that’s exaggerating they start good all the way down to 72
As long as the glow plugs work, 7.3's start almost like a gasser. No glow plugs, hard starting. Below 20f, all diesels sound broken for a minute or two. I have owned all of the big 3.
I had a 7.3 that the glow plugs were burnt, a tiny shot of either fired it very quick. Literally like a half a second long shot was all it took in the cold.
Btw, powerstroke 7.3s or any modern diesel after 1995, the accelerator pedal trick doesn't work as well as the mechanical diesels where the pedal is opening a valve to flow more fuel. Electronic systems widen the injector pulse width, and some ECM's wont allow that until after it has fired.
I am looking to put a 4bt in a 87 Short bed 2wd. What issues did you have swapping this, if any?
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great battery!
I gave a thumbs up just for the mustache!
Did you keep cranking just so you can say that it started on the first try?
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Sorry Here in Quebec at -37 not start salutation My Friend
@Von Musklaus Quebec is a province in eastern Canada
A starter killer like me!!
Beautiful. To tell the truth. If I had the money. That is the truck I would build. And if I had your truck . It would saty the same I would not charge Nothing about it at all. Love it 100% one day I will have something like that. Yes sir I will.
That's one fucking nice truck! If you're ever in need of a kidney... Hit me up lol
nice im doing a cummins swap on a 3rd gen ram 1500
Well how'd it go if you dont mind me asking
@@oldcroneysgarage9739 it went well its all done now pic is on my face book page except in the photo it doesnt have the new lift and tires
@@TylerDuysen I don't have face book but sounds like a cool project did you pick the isb common rail or the 4bt?
@@oldcroneysgarage9739 5.9l 24v common rail it was a construction truck so it already had a cummins trans and transfer case and its double framed they used it as a crane service truck it has 3500 suspension axles etc and added frame rail crossmembers for extra support and all the wiring and everything i did im all in it about 10,000 but who knows i may do more i dreamed of having a diesel for years couldnt find one not rusted took me 10 years of searching so i just decided to build one my dream truck is a 99-03 7.3l powerstroke full 4dr (supercrew cab) 4x4 dually when i get one ill be doing a custom build that alot of people have requested and has never been done ive searched everywhere cant find anything like it thx ffor taking the time to read tthis and reply i hope you have a great night
@@TylerDuysen I hope you have a great night too!
Uh Cummins don’t have glow plugs anyways
Next question is why do a grid heater delete in a cold climate?
I get it if you live in Texas or something but not Colorado.
lol, Greta is very disappointed
Nice Truck
I did two cold starts like that on my 5.9 12 valve. Both times the crankshaft snapped in half within 30 seconds. Those are weak engines and not intended for cold starts
Yeah I doubt that.
I gotta call BS! I have done hundreds of cold starts on my 5.9 Cummins and it is still going strong, although mine will cold start in a few seconds.
Sounds like someone likes to be full of shit
The crank of a B series Cummins is probably one of the most turgid cranks I’ve ever held, your on some fucking bullshit if you think we’re gonna believe this.
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An entire minute of you sweeping snow off the hood. I didn’t make it to 1:30.
Diesel soot gets the moot
Hard to imagine the damage you're doing to that engine. WHY?
Wut
Because he can lol
No real damage to that engine. Just the same as starting you gasoline car in the mornings. The starters made to run for extended periods of time. Its all heavy duty stuff for a reason
Those engines do that all day every day for 30plus years. Obviously harder on them than a warm start but doesn’t ruin them. Just like a gasser.
@@chevy6794 I've started at lower temps then that but my 5.9 Cummins has a grid heater and I was on the road so not much option. If I'm home the rig's getting plugged in. Absolutely no need to force a cold start like that. Do what you like but you're not doing your batteries, starter or engine any favors.
If I was going to go to all the trouble to swapp that engine into that truck I would put a block heater in it and plug it in when its cold.
If this is not a cold start idk what is lol also r.i.p starter lol
what i thought u ended up being a truck driver..
RIP starter...lol
Lifetime warranty !
@@redneckman454 lol
Cooked starter much? Dude.... WTF
Cranking that long…
Poor starter.. wow....
oil like molasses......dont rev it up......omg
You'll be late for work.
I bet that thick engine oil didn't start flowing for at least 40 seconds. Your lower end is toast brother. You don't ever ever ever start a diesel in the winter. Those are warm weather engines only or plug them in
Got to be the dumbest comment I've ever heard about Diesel engines!
@@ejsayler1 lol My thoughts exactly.
This darold guy might be the dumbest guy on the internet today....
Its true I drive a Semi in Canada and we shut down for winter............
What about all the diesels that do that every day. There fine.
Glowing red starter? 😂😂
FIRST
you could ruin a starter trying to crank a damn diesel.
Whats your mpg?