Panasonic Lumix S9 Is Great, But... (Thoughts and Reactions)
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- This is not a review of the Panasonic Lumix S9, but I just want to share my thoughts and reactions to the S9, specifically what I like about the S9, what I don't like about it, and what are just okay. The Lumix S9 is supposed to be a full frame mirrorless camera with compact size that is aimed more towards content creator and enthusiast photographer/filmmaker, with some emphasize towards easier connectivity, ability to create and use LUT in camera, and some other important features. I wish this camera will be released in Micro Four Thirds format with some upgrades, that will be the perfect camera!
00:00 Introduction
02:04 What I think about S9
07:42 S9 for Micro 4/3
10:17 Conclusion
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I agree with you on this man. The S9 should have been a update to the GX8/GX9. This release would have been perfect with the new M4/3 25mp PDAF sensor and a magnesium weather sealed body, not plastic.
Yes, an updated GX8 or GX9 is what we need.
Yes; but all these UA-camrs beating their chest about giving feedback to engineers over the years has brands convinced everyone wants full frame.
GX85 user here. I've been using this amazing little camera since 2016, when it was launched. I recently bought a 37-77mm step-up ring to attach my 1/8 tiffen promist and VND. I enjoy the form factor, imagery, and user experience I get from the GX85 regardless of the camera's limitations.
Love the GX85 also! Panasonic should really update the GX85/GX9
@@Gary_W Im using the 12-32 kit pancake lens, 3 OEM batteries. Small form factor easy to carry. With this setup, you just want to go and shoot.
Evf is a must for telephotos shooting. It stabilises the shooting when your eye and head lean against the camera
Not only. In a bright sunny day, an evf is very useful
I think I mostly agree. However, when I looked at the technical specifications of the S9 and the GX9 (I have the latter camera as you know..) the thickness of the S9 and the GX9 are almost identical. Furthermore the S9 is about 2mm wider and about 2mm taller than the GX9. And I think few people would say that the GX9 is "big".... so the S9 is rather small...
I think that with the S5ii and the G9ii having essentially the same external body, my guess is that Panasonic will put a new mft camera out within the year that is based on the S9 body. And if they do that then I would not be interested - my use cases with hybrid shooting - since it would lack an EVF, the grip is mostly non-existant and there is no hot shoe. Also the controls on the S9 look entirely to few for my tastes and photography flow. I would want about the same number of controls as on the G80/G85 with the addition of two programmable buttons on the front of the camera like the G9 has. I would program one button to switch between picture formats 16:9 or 1:1 or 4:3. The other would be an audio button like on the GH5ii which I do not have.
That way, the beginner could work on the top and back buttons and learn the camera and then as the user advanced could program and start using the buttons in the front according to her/his wishes.
HOWEVER the quicker time to upload and the Luts options make it tempting and incredibly modern.
Thanks for sharing Joe, good points about the possibility of an MFT camera with S9 body in the future.
That is an interesting thought....a GX9 Mk II using the shell of an S9....But that would really vex me, as it would be both several steps forward and several steps backward if that ever happened.
I'd rather they just make a updated GX85 same controls dials and buttons with pdaf, better Ibis, headphones/mic/ hdmi and the modern photo and video features... The s9 looks interesting... It just seems to be missing a lot of features, and is a very limiting as a all around camera. it needs more physical dials and buttons. I mean if you want easy that's what P or A mode on the control dial is for... This camera seems very niche, . I hope it's $$$ good for Panasonic but it's definitely not for me.
Exactly, upgraded GX85 or GX9 with mic jack, PDAF, and other important updates.
@@Gary_W - Yes, and in camera luts.
This. Gx85 with G9ii sensor and with a mic jack. This will make Gx85 even greater.
Thanks, Gary! I think you are spot on with your wish list of applying the updates to a new GX model. I would buy that too but have to pass on this although it sounds like it wasn't designed for me anyway. The size seems okay but for me the big miss is it not having any kind of integrated hand hold. It's FF so that means the added weight and sizes of FF lenses.
That's a good point David, the FF lenses will never be as small as MFT lenses. Crossing my fingers for an updated GX camera coming really soon!
People are still willing to pay $400-700 USD for used GM1 units, even in 2024. That just goes to show you that the demand for tiny but capable m43 bodies are still in demand. I wish Panasonic would take note.
Take note to design it like the GM5!!!
Agree with what you said. There are strong demands on smaller but capable M43 cameras. We just need a camera with an adequate manual control, IBIS, mic jack, real hotshoe, real mechanical shutter, and EVF.
@@Gary_W i will buy this in the use market when it approach the $700 price point. Pair it with the L-mount Sigma Contemporary lenses and you got a great photo-focus camera.
Yes, and the asking price of used GM5s are even more insane! I swear they're higher now than when the camera was new. Why is Panasonic so blind to this fact?
@@Centauri27 The premium is like the Fuji X100V/VI. Cult cameras.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
I had exactly the same thoughts. It is great to see a smaller camera from Pany again, but we need a m43 model. The GX9 is exceptional, just update it and Pany will have a winner.
That's true Michael, I do hope we will get an updated GX camera soon!
@@Gary_W True. I am hoping for a photography centered body. I want an EVF but loose the tilting EVF. Yes to the video mic. Forget the flip screen. Keep the screen as a tilting one. Limit the video features. No more than 4K 30. 10’ limit is OK. Keep the price under $999.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
I get why Panasonic have released a full frame camera - I suspect it's to silence critics of the MFT system's limitations. But, I think there are frustratingly too many things missing from the S9 for it to be an attractive camera to someone who "knows" photography. Maybe it will appeal to someone who has less technical knowledge and demands. But it's very expensive for what it is. I'm still holding out for a GX9ii or GX10!
Crossing my fingers for GX9ii or GX10 too!
@@Gary_W I have the G9M2 and the OM-1 Mkii, so I'm a dedicated MFT enthusiast, but the GX9 is still my favourite camera, despite it's fiddly buttons and wheels. It's just the form factor. It sits nice in my hands. But I do have a third party add-on grip, which helps.
@@steven3557 Exactly right. I believe a certain feature and price point is reached, which I think is full frame, that buyers will instead go with Canon, Nikon, etc. over Lumix.
The GX880/G850/GX800 is going back on sale in Europe. I guess there's little chance of a new M43 small compact.
I agree with your thought but I understand why Panasonic choose the full frame sensor: it's the perception of the bigger sensor the better on the targeted consumer that led the company to the decision on going full frame. Unfortunately it's very hard to convince that 4/3 sensor is sufficient for even professional let alone enthusiasts and hobbyist. So I personally will stay with my m4/3 gears for my photography hobby and occasionally utilizing my M10 and Q2 when I want to be seen a bit fancy 😎
Unfortunately that is true. Market perception regarding bigger sensor is better is still very strong.
Interesting. I think you described the G100D minus the PDAF. Get that! 🙂
It's a bit more than just the PDAF. G100 is also missing real IBIS, which I use a lot for video and for low light photography. And the flash sync speed of the G100 is a bit too slow for me as well.
@@Gary_W You're probably right. GX85 with PDAF, maybe.
Would definitely be better as m4/3. It being somewhat compact doesn't matter when most lenses for it are massive.
I agree, full frame lenses aren't generally small. The new manual focus only pancake lens for the L-mount doesn't look impressive at all.
They should make a SMART M43 camera : with integrated computional photography / videography and LUTS Connected to internet, with a phone chip to be able to send the videos on social media
This is a great idea! Smart M43 camera with better processor, built in computational photography, DOF effect, better connectivity, AI features, that sounds good!
@@Gary_W yes ! Luts, integrated ND, smart high dynamic range and depth of field lens effects. The iPhone uses a lidar sensor that helps separating the background to add fake bokeh but this also helps for software effects like « focos »that ads very realistic Zeiss/Leica and creative lens effects. Also something great would be 16mm or 35mm filters, grain, etc. Like on smartphones but with a m43 mount sensor
I'd love to see a GM5II with IBIS, the new sensor with phase detect auto-focus and pretty much the same otherwise. THAT would be a camera I would buy in an instant.
Would love to see that too!
Why are there comments about the GM1??? I read articles about GM1 also. They should be saying GM5.
This is more similar to GM1 than GM5. The GM5 has EVF, S9 doesn't have EVF.
@@Gary_W understood, but a lot of people need to ‘say’ lumix missed the mark by not making it similar to the GM5 instead of ‘comparing’ to the GM1. If people had a choice between the GM1 and GM5, i would think they would choose the GM5. The GM1 is popular due to no ‘2nd’ hand market for the GM5.
@@liemstersI can understand the love for both. GM1 is making a camera as small and light as possible. GM5 is only marginally bigger and a few grams heavier with a mediocre EVF. But even a tiny and mediocre EVF is better than not having it.
Panasonic doesn't care about M43 anymore: the G9II is just a smaller sensor in a GH5 and nothing has been leaked about a possible GH6II.
I expect, may be, an LX100 III further along the line as the D-LUX8 (Panaleica) has been announced by Leica.
This being said, Panasonic (the holding) announced it will get rid of non productive branches: main culprits will be Air conditioning, TV and Home department, but we know Lumix is doing very badly, even below OM System that is on damage control since it was dropped by Olympus. I won't be surprised to hear Panasonic will get rid of Lumix entirely, may be selling it to Leica as an R&D and patent acquisition, which is not good. Leica doesn't care about M43, and will just keep L system alive. Under this light, the G9 is the last hope for Lumix: if it sells, may be Lumix wont die, and could be a bit more interesting for a possible new owner
Unfortunately what you just said could have a big possibility turning into reality. I am still crossing my fingers for an updated GX camera real soon.
I agree true hot shoe and evf are necessary for a micro 4/3 version of S9.
Plus the mech shutter. Please add an audio jac.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
Different use case. For what I shoot, which is mostly landscape and architecture, a micro four thirds would be a considerable downgrade. The LUMIX S9 is the right way to go. Just for times where I do not want to carry around a pro body with a higher end L class lens (Canon) but still want a full frame sensor system. The S9 does have several shortcomings but they have the right idea. Hoping other system makers follow what Panasonic & Sony are doing. Bigger sensors in compact bodies.
S9 should really have been GM1 Mk2, a MFT camera with global shutter. As far as basic, small FF, I think Canon R8 is a much better camera.
I get were Panasonic is coming from with with this, and I can also see why a lot of people particularly youtube reviewers are a bit confused about how to use it - a lot of people who are moving up from smart phones won't miss the view finder and don't want the bulk of prosumer cameras. the lens cap lens they released with it is weird, make it likely larger so you can get autofocus and aperture, but again the lack of aperture control is not something "upwardly mobile" content creators are going to notice as few (very very few) smartphones have adjustable apertures... or mechanical shutters and are controled almost 100% through touch interface so in many ways it's an easier transition from phone to the s9 than say, from the S5ii to the s9. .
would I buy it? yeh, maybe I'd probably buy it once I had a couple of smaller short range L mount zooms, leave the S5II home travel with that (with MFT usually only travel with a couple of kit zooms and a couple of faster ultrawide and medium wide primes
But what would I prefer for a travel camera? a new GX9 (MKII) with improved video capacity (even if "just" to the S9 capacity) swap the ports to the left and include a way of monitoring audio even if it's through USB C dongle or by bluetooth)
And merge the GM5 and G100 line in to a super compact body -"bloging that almost disapears in to your hand like the GM's and the GF3 & 5 do, flip/tilt screen, audio in and out via a USBC dongle and/or built in bluetooth where port placement isn't important, have some improved video capacity (even a 10 or 15 minutes limit on 4K or open gate recording would be fine for travel "in the moment" short videos, and, some capacity to shoot, say, 5 minutes of 60 and 120fps FHD - 5 minutes at playback speed not of shooting time... one can dream but one also needs to be semi realistic) maybe even no IBIS and rely on lens and electronic stabilisation
Thank you for sharing! 😁
The S9 is ill-conceived for so many reasons: No EVF, no articulating screen, no low-light pancake lenses available. Other than the full frame sensor, it hardly competes with other compact cameras. Sorry, Panasonic - this was a big fail for most of us.
Before Christmas ? Hmmmm
I really don't like this camera at all. It should have a popup flash and a viewfinder also. I think they might have removed the mechanical shutter to help with IBIS maybe it helps the IBIS move a little better but I'm not sure about that and I might be wrong on that one.
I have small Olympus cameras the E-PL1 and E-PL2 and those are very fun little cameras and I used them a lot for natural light but they are not good with sunlight hitting the LCD screen. Only time they are even usable is with autofocus lens when the sun is hitting the LCD screen.
Thanks for sharing! Personally I don't mind the lack of EVF, but at this price point, a camera with this specification is expected to have EVF along with some other important features that Panasonic seemed to think no longer important.
exactly mft make more sense for this small cameras, but i like the s9
The S9 does have potential, I think it's a step in the right direction. I do still hope we will get an updated GX MFT camera soon.
Perhaps Panasonic will make with the S9 in FF more and faster money.
Unfortunately that might be true. The market sentiment is that full frame is the future, so it only makes sense to capitalize on full frame instead on MFT. But I do believe that an updated GX camera could be selling well too, provided it has the right set of features.
How many smartphone-weaned vloggers use an EVF, flash, or shoot long-form videos? If that's the target market, then I understand why Panasonic left those features out. But to choose a FF sensor is the head-scratcher. FF is overkill for most social media content, IMO. Heck, the average viewing time on Tiktok is 3 seconds!
Panasonic probably chose FF over M43 because of the "bigger is better" bias; that at the same X100 price point, FF would be perceived as better value. Instead, their FF choice just raised the price and weight (with FF lens). M43 would've been the more sensible choice for this market, but Panasonic presumably wanted to one-up most compact cameras with its FF choice.
I'll wait for its M43 cousin, an S9-sized G9ii.
I love the way you describe it, S9-sized G9ii! I will definitely be interested in that kind of camera
@@Gary_W Even then, legions will be up in arms because, you know, they want EVF, mechanical shutter, yadayada, arguably oblivious that they're not the target market!
But clearly, there's an opportunity to serve *that* market, with a GX9ii-sized/styled G9ii.
I agree with everything you said, Gary. Except I want to further emphasize the "no EVF". You're young, so looking at the back screen is no problem. I was like that once. But for us older folks, trying to use the screen (even with progressive eyeglasses) is a real challenge, so an EVF is a must now for me. (That's the one drawback of my GX850.) And they should've added the excellent grip from the GX7 to the S9.
Understood, I made the no EVF point because the S9 also don't have EVF. I do understand its importance for some people though, even I do use EVF too in some situations. Cheers 😁
No view finder, only electronic shutter…no weather sealing. I‘m out of this.
Like in other comments…i would like to see a upgraded GX8 (not a following gx9). It’s small enough, but not to small, lightweight enough…oh man, i love mine. The S9 is relatively slow on af in my opinion…but hey maybe it’s great for filming. I only will take fotos with mine…
An updated GX8 sounds great too! I love mine, but the IBIS doesn't work for video, and it doesn't have proper 3.5mm mic jack(it does have 2.5mm but it's a bit of a hassle to use).
@@Gary_W a GH6 in the small housing of the GX8 sound perfect to me personally…i travel a lot and edc my GX8 additionally with a 17mm Laowa prime. So i much prefer weather sealing and the compact size…but also like the tilting view finder.
I guess the price will be over 1k, but there is a GX880 or GX80 for under 1000…
The S9 definately does not do it for me....I needed the upgrade or continuation of the GX9...Panasonic and OM have basically stopped making compact pro level "rangefinder" style bodies...I have divested myself of all my M43 gear for now...but I will see what the future holds... The Sony A7c rocks for me right now. Cheers
What you said is true, GX camera line needs to be updated with proper set of features.
I fear lumix has abandoned the M43 photography market. I agree with Gary about an updated GX8/9. I’d buy what he is advocating. In the meantime I bought a used Sony A7C, the full frame equivalent of the GX8/9 update with a used 35/2.8.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
If there’s no EVF it’s certainly NOT aimed towards photographers. This is a video camera. No go for me.
Panasonic switches to old contrast af mode whatewer he wants (S5IIX, S9) ua-cam.com/video/R0NrX29SqzE/v-deo.html
If this was a 900€/$ mft camera everyone would have rejoiced.
Meh S9, give me a Lumix GM10 already😂
Lumix missed a big trick here. Nothing special on this camera they could have done a much better job of competing with a Fuji X100VI.
Let me begin by stating that I do like your reviews. But, in this case, after hearing you explain negatives and features you don't care about, I don't understand why you would conclude that this is a step in the right direction. I do think it is, but for certain kinds of photographers that may not include you and me.
I think that you answered your own question.
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough, sorry about that.
What I meant to say is that this camera isn't a bad camera, there will be people that will be interested in the features of this camera, and by keeping the camera as small and lightweight as it can I think Panasonic is moving in the right direction(as opposed to some other camera makers who are now focusing only on larger pro level cameras).
However, although I may be "qualified" to be in the market group for this camera from the manufacturer's perspective, I do think it's not for me personally as I require some other features that are missing in the S9.
I don’t like the S9. The missing features make this a no go for a photographer. That is OK. This camera is clearly not marketed to me. I wish LUMIX well marketing this body to their content creator market. I want LUMIX to make money and continue to making cameras. Not only because I use LUMIX M43 gear but I also own stock in Panasonic.
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I disagree with the screen functionality: tilting screen is necessary for street-photography
I agree to disagree, I personally prefer fully articulating screen for vertical shooting, but I get why many people prefer tilt only screen.
I agree with you. I’m a street photographer and a fully articulating screen makes the camera more obvious. I only do video clips and I’m not the subject. Gary I too agree to disagree. We all agree that lumix should update the GX8/9. Especially the addition of an audio jac. I also disagree with you about the EVF. I definitely want to keep that feature. To save some money, LUMIX could loose the articulating EVF.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
S9 is FF GF10, not FF GX9.
Explain....
Panasonic is slowly but surely moving away from M43
Hopefully that isn't true 😢😢
LUMIX is definitely moving away from photography.
Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
its GARBAGE