Daemon's plans were always pretty straight forward but strategically sound. Instead of risking to get overpowered one after another by Vhagar, let's just hunt her down while we have the numbers advantage.
Or after you’ve knocked Aegon down and can get away to Daemon or dragon stone even to team up on Vhagar, not turn back to fight alone. The tv version is anti logic.
Not so anti logic. She had to die at the said war according to the original story, all 3 fell and vagar was the survivor. The show only goes further to show her resilience and gave her true and brave dragon riders death, than just dying from the initial fall with sunfyre badly wounded too
@@marceldiezasch6192attacking Vhagar in King's Landing is still risky tho. It was not shown in the show but Id assume Vhagar, despite her size, is parked in the dragon's pit like Balerion did. King's Landing is armed with Scorpions so ambushing Vhagar in there seems dangerous.
@@MichaelOglesby-ib1phit's not, rhaenys doesn't want to fight or be in a war, and in either outcome of fighting her, she gets to have the end of the war from her POV whether she kills vhagar or dies, the fight and war is over for her. She wanted peace deeply, has a deep sense of propriety to rhaenyra and viserys so she didn't wanna be involved in a bloody dragon war and now she won't be. There's a level of very human selfishness at play in that respect. PS: had rhaenys been able to perform the move where she threw vhagar to the ground over the open water there, it would have ended vhagar and aemond, that bitch has so much shit on her body to drag her down, I do actually think an argument could be made that maybe her hope was to have vhagar follow her over the water and do that same play again, but failed to pull it off.
@@Verezen Don't know which book you have read then coz Meleys and Rhaenys gave solid fight in the book I read and unlike TV show in the books it was 2 vs 1 fight.
@@winterlord55Yes but she knew she would lose and tried to go after Sunfyre, probably to take out the king with her, but Vhagar attacked and they all fell to the ground, and it’s written that while a Meleys was broken and ripped up, Vhagar rose unharmed
@@waltertheterrible6062ofc she knew she would lose a 2v1, and the only reason Vhagar got out unharmed was because she collapsed on Sunfire and Meleys while they were fighting, The show took everything good about the circumstances about that fight and tossed them out the window. Just average writers thinking they can outdo a master. And we’ve already seen the fiascos of Aegon’s coronation and Rhaenyra’s idiotic infiltration of Kings Landing
@@Flashstrike4 you know the book is a third person perspective person from Maester point of view and the show is the actual event of what happens there even GRR Martin confirmed it
Targaryens during the dance: look at all our dragons. Big dragons, small dragons, fast dragons, strong dragons, old dragons, young dragons. Let's have them fight to the death, rumble and find which one is the best! Targaryens after the dance: man, i wonder where all our dragons went. Must be some sort of mysterious curse...
@@blondymonk1535incorrect. While in freefall, even as Vhagar's claws opened up Caraxes's belly and used her teeth to tear off one of his wing-arms, Caraxes locked his teeth onto the larger dragon's throat and tore it out.
Vhagar operates like a great white shark, it has one move which is to deep dive and attack from the blind spot. Once she commits, she’s freakishly fast. In open air as we’ve seen against multiple dragons now she’s just large and slow. It’s why Daemon wanted Caraxes and Maelys to attack in unison. Two fast, battle hardened dragons distracting and wounding. But no one listens to the only Targaryen daring enough to follow it through.
People forget that Daemon is a great commandaer with cunning strategies. He knew the only way to kill Vhagar is in open field. So he waited days for Aemond to show up at God's eye to get his eye blown out and Vhagar killed.
Daemon lived, he just decided to settle somewhere. I think the tv show hints to it as well. The last episode where he had a dream about a conversation between him and his brother. His brother held the crown to him and asked him if he still wished to rule. These dreams I think hint to the fact of what happened after the dragons fell to their death in the water. Daemon came to terms that it's pretty much a curse to wear the crown, so he decided to live quiet and happily somewhere off grid.
She should have tactically retreated after that first engagement and come back with a backup dragon, that was very stupid, brave but naive of her to go at vagar multiple times!! and now we lost a beautiful red dragon!
I feel like there was something going on with Meleys. For some reason maybe she didn’t think she would make it. I’m not sure why but when Meleys looked at her I got a weird feeling that.
And let Rooks Rest be taken without any resistance? That would definitely not sit well with the bannermen of Rhaenyra, especially since they were already losing territory left and right....
@@MarkJenkins-t7y She didn't "loose sight of Vhagar". Or we're talking about different moments of the battle. When Sunfyre fell to the ground Rhaenys could have just flown, at this moment there was not such a thing as "she lost sight of Vhagar", she turned back to attack Vhagar. Which was obviously stupid. Vhagar didn't take her by surprise, Rhaenys just flew towards her death on her own decision
@@Noah-dh6se no cos daemon in that scene wanted to attack kingslanding and take down vhagar but kingslanding has scorpions and caraxes + meleys is not guaranteed to kill vhagar (which could be possibly helped by sunfyre adn dreamfyre). it was a suicide mission on deamons part dictated by anger of the moment
She did stand a chance. But just like with the other battle, vhagar used a blind spot that netted her the easy kill. It’s starting to seem like with as much experience as vhagar has, she really isn’t that good at dragon battle. It’s her size alone that’s winning her fights. Everything she’s killed has either been much smaller than her or didn’t see her coming. But when vhagar and meleys met in mid air, in open combat, meleys who is almost half the size of vhagar, matched vhagar blow for blow. One eye is lucky they didn’t meet one on one in the open air with no distractions.
They showed a size comparison when they were in the air, vhagars head and neck was bigger than meleys' entire body. One wing from vhagar was bigger than the other entire dragon, vhagar is massive.
The dragons are creatures, none of them are really good at fighting. If Sunfyre was bigger than Meleys, Meleys would have been absolutely handled. But he isn’t, so he’s obviously not gonna win. Size and brute strength is mostly what it comes down to when animals are fighting.
Rhaenys’s fatal mistake during that battle was losing track of vhagar and aemond. We saw that meleys can take on vhagar head on but the moment vhagar got a hold of meleys’s neck it was over. She was not getting out of that.
Vermithor is second biggest dragon that time, still way smaller than Vhagar. There is only few dragons who have chance of defeading Vhagar 1V1 (Vermithor,Karax, Cannibal and dreamfire)
@@The-Master-of-Destiny555 enemy was distracted?? Both vhagar nd mekeys fell on the ground And vhagar flew and went behind the castle While meleys was doing what? Eating soldiers or something? It was just stupid , so stupid that they couldn't even show it
Thinking the same thing. I'd think a dragon can carry atleast a miniature scorpion bolt bow that the rider can deploy So far all we saw were the riders being sitting ducks
Better yet stop taking her head on and go after her wings with dragon fire. Use your speed and maneuverability to your advantage. Size and weight is not a advantage in the air. Battle tactics in GOT and HOTD are crazy
What the fuck 😂 imagine trying to shoot a tiny person from 200 feet away with a goddamn crossbow bolt while riding on the back of a dragon 2,000 feet in the air. You’re hitting one shot in 500, and it’s bouncing straight off the rider’s armor or the dragon’s scales.
Meleys died because, the story said likewise. Otherwise Meleys could have done serious damage on Vhagar. I still hate the fight between them on TV. It was so obvious that the Vhagar was hidden behind that castle.
Melys did do some pretty good damage on vhagar when clawing at her. I'm betting vhagar is still recovering from that when they go face daemon over the gods eye, or that ceraxes reopens the same wound during that fight. I'm so ready to see how that fight goes
If rheanys would've flew up into the sky she would've got away, she could've retreated and daemon and rhyanra could've killed vhagarall of them together. The war could've been done
To everyone saying that she’s too big to sneak, the first time was in total cloud coverage. The second time she hid behind a giant cliff and a castle. She’s big, but big enough to hide. It’s obviously her favorite little trick, and since she’s nearly 200, she’s probably had a lot of practice.
It makes no sense. If the victim did not see her coming out of the clouds or from behind the castle, how was she be able to see them through clouds and castle walls? Wall hacks? How did she time it so well and react so fast while she was supposedly old and slow?
How she was flied behind gigant cliff bro, she was fallen anda how she can flied so quickly to go behind cliff , and how mylyis didnt saw her , when shahar fl yo oʻng behind the castle , and castle was little
What's more there are videos of Lions hiding in short grass and Crocodiles hiding in shallow ponds. Predators, specially ambush predators are masters of their craft. People are being way to critical about the writing, it's realistic.
During the fight that followed between them, Daemon jumped from Caraxes in mid air, and killed Aemond by stabbing him in the eye with Dark Sister. Both dragons crashed in mid air and fell to the lake, Vhagar drowned, Caraxes managed to swim ashore, and died sometime later, while the body of Daemon was never found.
She did two things wrong: 1 she tightened herself to her dragon. 2 she didn’t take advantage of her dragons ability which was to fly faster and go higher. She didn’t have to target the dragon to win just the rider.
Highly agree. She put herself in huge disadvantage by not flying in open area and not being caught from behind cover. Using red queen's speed would have won the fight
Daemon employed the best tactics a rider could pull off with Caraxes, and still both perished. Besides Caraxes, I can think maybe only Vermithor and Cannibal could take Vhagar in 1v1 and expect to live
You need a large and agile dragon, with previous battle experience, with an experienced rider, who can utilise good battle tactics and attack Vhagar skilfully Basically - Caraxes and Daemon
Meleys was also badly wounded which affected her and yes, on the books it was believed that she stood a chance against Vhagar, she probably did had the circumstances changed.
From a strategic point of view, the script wanted Meleys and Rhaenys to die in the stupidest way possible. Less than five minutes into the episode and it's over. A disgrace.
I think the key is to rip the membrane in her wings ,so with her large mass she cant fly ,and with a sneaky attack from above possibly try to blind her with the claws .Once done so ,she would be pretty good of no use...
@@benbarberian1701Silverwing isn't a war dragon, she is the calmest and nicest dragon. Silverwing has never fought a battle, she isn't agressive or fierce, her size doesn't do much when compared to Meleys. Meleys is a bit battle experienced, she is the fastest dragon and has a much more experienced rider than Silverwing. Silverwing is literally an innocent middle aged woman, while Meleys is a karen with muscles and fast speed.
@@SkidogMedia We've already seen his future rider *hint hint* . Just think of the few new characters we met that seem to (at the moment) serve no purpose
@@itsmerohi3760just dragon vs dragon, instinct only, Vermithor has his youth, agile, speed, Vhagar experience, size only a but bigger then. Vermithor could win with those "starts"
To kill a dragon you have to attack the neck because it is the weakest spot... Maeleys wasnt attacking the neck because if she gets close enough from Vhagars neck she will die, probably if she had no choice she couldve tried to attack and run until Vhagar gets tired, knowing that Vhagar needs a lot of energy(eating sheep)
Vhagar is like an end of game player character who maxed stealth and speed to beat the game then did all the side quests with her elite gear to top off her strength and armor
@@francescoparmitani6359 Meleys goes into close combat with Sunfyre and grabs his neck. Vhagar does not attack with fire, but engages into close combat aswell. All three crash in a flaming ball of fire and only Vhagar emerges from the smoke and ashes.
@@rattlertech Daemon is a sick man, he is not a legend. That is what is about the books: selfish crazy bastards like Daemon fighting for power and all life has no value for him
@@linddragonforce2660craxes swam back to shore and died there after some time while vhagar was sleeping in the lake with her rider strapped to her back
Got killed after she was already scorched and messed up……they said 1v1 she would have a CHANCE. Regardless if sunfire did not do much to her she still got caught in the first vhagar fire and when they both tangled in the sky…..also lets not forget vhager has the MOST battle experience of all the dragons still alive regardless of her rider not really much of a shocker that it happened the way it did. Rewatch the episode when melys looks back and she rhenys is all burnt up she knows she turns back to die.
Blood wyrm and meleys would absolutely overwhelm that "that old bitch" especially with 2 experienced riders but 1v1 it's nearly impossible for an outright win. But imagine the blood wyrm if it was 60-80 years older.... That much bigger. Now then id definitely take him
@@thetruthhurts2327Vermithor has a chance, but Caraxes beat Vhagar because his long neck allowed him to reach in and tear out Vhagar’s throat. Although t unfortunately Vhagar tore open his belly.
Keep in mind in the books Meleys fought both sunfyre & Vhagar at the same time. It is confirmed by R.R. Martin that Meleys could’ve killed Vhagar if it wasn’t for sunfyre. Chris show wouldn’t even have a season 2 if Rhaenyra wasn’t such a fool & let Daemon have his way. He would’ve ended the greens bloodline in days.
Even with battle tactics there is no chance, firepower won't work and giving physical attack by getting near vhagar is dangerous, so it's an escape or die..💀
Vhagar is an experienced ambush predator. She used the cover of the castle to take down Meleys. While the riders give some directions. It's the dragons themselves doing the bulk of the fighting and maneuvering.
Kind of silly how this massive and slow dragon keeps coming out of nowhere and surprising all the other dragons.
When you think about it, it's the only play it can do since it's slower and massive as hell
And how they managed to hide her amongst regular trees but lying on a beach she looked like a mountain.
True
Well shes like 100 years older she's gonna be smarter
my guess is that vaghar from all its experience knows the blindspots and how to approach.
Rhaenys during the fall: 'Should have went with Daemon to kill Vhagar when he ordered me to..'
Daemon's plans were always pretty straight forward but strategically sound.
Instead of risking to get overpowered one after another by Vhagar, let's just hunt her down while we have the numbers advantage.
Or after you’ve knocked Aegon down and can get away to Daemon or dragon stone even to team up on Vhagar, not turn back to fight alone. The tv version is anti logic.
Not so anti logic. She had to die at the said war according to the original story, all 3 fell and vagar was the survivor. The show only goes further to show her resilience and gave her true and brave dragon riders death, than just dying from the initial fall with sunfyre badly wounded too
@@marceldiezasch6192attacking Vhagar in King's Landing is still risky tho. It was not shown in the show but Id assume Vhagar, despite her size, is parked in the dragon's pit like Balerion did. King's Landing is armed with Scorpions so ambushing Vhagar in there seems dangerous.
@@MichaelOglesby-ib1phit's not, rhaenys doesn't want to fight or be in a war, and in either outcome of fighting her, she gets to have the end of the war from her POV whether she kills vhagar or dies, the fight and war is over for her.
She wanted peace deeply, has a deep sense of propriety to rhaenyra and viserys so she didn't wanna be involved in a bloody dragon war and now she won't be. There's a level of very human selfishness at play in that respect.
PS: had rhaenys been able to perform the move where she threw vhagar to the ground over the open water there, it would have ended vhagar and aemond, that bitch has so much shit on her body to drag her down, I do actually think an argument could be made that maybe her hope was to have vhagar follow her over the water and do that same play again, but failed to pull it off.
She was experienced for 42 years yet she never looks around and allows a dragon the size of an airplane to sneak attack her with a headshot.
Right
Lmao fr like this massive ass dragon all of a sudden enters sneak mode flying the Boeing 747 wings & NOBODY can hear him?! Yeah right 😂
@@AtlasAccordits even worse damm
It is a stupid plot which is not from the book
@@AtlasAccordno way, Maeleys in the book strugled from fighting the two, not one on one you idiot 😂😂😂
The fight between them was that one sided not because of battle tactics. Because of budget my AI friend
Nah even in the books the fight was pretty similarly one sided, Meleys was struggling with just taking on Sunfyre
@@Verezen Don't know which book you have read then coz Meleys and Rhaenys gave solid fight in the book I read and unlike TV show in the books it was 2 vs 1 fight.
@@winterlord55Yes but she knew she would lose and tried to go after Sunfyre, probably to take out the king with her, but Vhagar attacked and they all fell to the ground, and it’s written that while a Meleys was broken and ripped up, Vhagar rose unharmed
@@waltertheterrible6062ofc she knew she would lose a 2v1, and the only reason Vhagar got out unharmed was because she collapsed on Sunfire and Meleys while they were fighting,
The show took everything good about the circumstances about that fight and tossed them out the window.
Just average writers thinking they can outdo a master. And we’ve already seen the fiascos of Aegon’s coronation and Rhaenyra’s idiotic infiltration of Kings Landing
@@Flashstrike4 you know the book is a third person perspective person from Maester point of view and the show is the actual event of what happens there even GRR Martin confirmed it
Targaryens during the dance: look at all our dragons. Big dragons, small dragons, fast dragons, strong dragons, old dragons, young dragons. Let's have them fight to the death, rumble and find which one is the best!
Targaryens after the dance: man, i wonder where all our dragons went. Must be some sort of mysterious curse...
😂😂
Yeah Caraxes the bloodworm wants to have a little chat with Vhegar 😂😂
But Caraxes didn't kill vaghar.
Daemon killed Aemond.
@@blondymonk1535incorrect.
While in freefall, even as Vhagar's claws opened up Caraxes's belly and used her teeth to tear off one of his wing-arms, Caraxes locked his teeth onto the larger dragon's throat and tore it out.
They both killed eachother
@@blondymonk1535lol are you high? Caraxes most definitely kills vhagar. Probably shouldn't spout garbage if you havnt even read the book lol
@@jayruster1268 caraxes die too, so its draw
I love how the oldest dragon came up out of nowhere fast...
Yeah, largest active dragon employed stealth mode?! Lol
@@supferfuzz yeah, she covers cities with her shadow and can crouch behind Castles while flapping wings the size of a jumbo jet.... Without a sound!
@@Ozzywozzyand also get up fast enough to ambush melys in half a second even though she spent 3 minutes lifting only her head in the woods
@@TheOfficiaITristamAnd Meleys was known as the fastest dragon too....
@@Ozzywozzy during the episode i was thinking "are they really gonna pull the vhagar ambush thing twice?" and boom...
Vhagar operates like a great white shark, it has one move which is to deep dive and attack from the blind spot. Once she commits, she’s freakishly fast. In open air as we’ve seen against multiple dragons now she’s just large and slow. It’s why Daemon wanted Caraxes and Maelys to attack in unison. Two fast, battle hardened dragons distracting and wounding. But no one listens to the only Targaryen daring enough to follow it through.
People forget that Daemon is a great commandaer with cunning strategies. He knew the only way to kill Vhagar is in open field. So he waited days for Aemond to show up at God's eye to get his eye blown out and Vhagar killed.
Daemon died too and his dragon also. So even in an open terrain its a suicide to go against dragons like this.
@@MsFeco12they’re was no confirmation that daemon died. They never found his body.
@@WNFpker never found his body= dead + his dragon was able to swim ashore but died shortly after.
@@MsFeco12they still one because caraxes died few minutes later
Daemon lived, he just decided to settle somewhere. I think the tv show hints to it as well. The last episode where he had a dream about a conversation between him and his brother. His brother held the crown to him and asked him if he still wished to rule. These dreams I think hint to the fact of what happened after the dragons fell to their death in the water. Daemon came to terms that it's pretty much a curse to wear the crown, so he decided to live quiet and happily somewhere off grid.
She should have tactically retreated after that first engagement and come back with a backup dragon, that was very stupid, brave but naive of her to go at vagar multiple times!! and now we lost a beautiful red dragon!
I feel like there was something going on with Meleys. For some reason maybe she didn’t think she would make it. I’m not sure why but when Meleys looked at her I got a weird feeling that.
And let Rooks Rest be taken without any resistance? That would definitely not sit well with the bannermen of Rhaenyra, especially since they were already losing territory left and right....
It's basically Mountain vs The Red Viper
Oberyn lost bcoz he got cocky at the end, othrwise he had the moutain on the ground
Well he did kill the mountain in the end 🙂🤷@@radioactivedetective6876
@@radioactivedetective6876This makes the parallel that much coherent
Yes, only the Mountain is a ninja
Meleys wasn’t ready for the sneak attack… she was holding her own against Vhagar and Sunfyre until she lost sight of Vhagar
In the show it was not like that
@@adarockstar9385YEs iT waS 🥴😵💫🥴😵💫
@@MarkJenkins-t7y She didn't "loose sight of Vhagar". Or we're talking about different moments of the battle. When Sunfyre fell to the ground Rhaenys could have just flown, at this moment there was not such a thing as "she lost sight of Vhagar", she turned back to attack Vhagar. Which was obviously stupid. Vhagar didn't take her by surprise, Rhaenys just flew towards her death on her own decision
Damon knew about the power of the damn Vegar and asked her to attack together.
It is so stupid and just annoying
I hate this stuff, makes the show/story a little unbelievable
@@Noah-dh6se no cos daemon in that scene wanted to attack kingslanding and take down vhagar but kingslanding has scorpions and caraxes + meleys is not guaranteed to kill vhagar (which could be possibly helped by sunfyre adn dreamfyre). it was a suicide mission on deamons part dictated by anger of the moment
She did stand a chance.
But just like with the other battle, vhagar used a blind spot that netted her the easy kill.
It’s starting to seem like with as much experience as vhagar has, she really isn’t that good at dragon battle. It’s her size alone that’s winning her fights.
Everything she’s killed has either been much smaller than her or didn’t see her coming.
But when vhagar and meleys met in mid air, in open combat, meleys who is almost half the size of vhagar, matched vhagar blow for blow.
One eye is lucky they didn’t meet one on one in the open air with no distractions.
I was thinking that. Vhagar only wins because she is sneaky
@@nicollepina6199being the size of a castle and being sneaky isn’t knowing how to fight?
One eye...💀
They showed a size comparison when they were in the air, vhagars head and neck was bigger than meleys' entire body. One wing from vhagar was bigger than the other entire dragon, vhagar is massive.
The dragons are creatures, none of them are really good at fighting. If Sunfyre was bigger than Meleys, Meleys would have been absolutely handled. But he isn’t, so he’s obviously not gonna win. Size and brute strength is mostly what it comes down to when animals are fighting.
Rhaenys’s fatal mistake during that battle was losing track of vhagar and aemond. We saw that meleys can take on vhagar head on but the moment vhagar got a hold of meleys’s neck it was over. She was not getting out of that.
Caraxes and vhagar flew and train together for quite some time. Deamon know vhagars weakness
It’s like everyone forgot about the dragon daemon was signing to in the end of season 1
Good ‘ol Vermithor.
Vermithor is second biggest dragon that time, still way smaller than Vhagar. There is only few dragons who have chance of defeading Vhagar 1V1 (Vermithor,Karax, Cannibal and dreamfire)
And unless they deviated from the books, Daemon gets nowhere with Vermithor.
@@filipkral8678way smaller isn’t entirely correct. They are both massive and the Bronze Fury has been growing at a rapid rate.
Vermithor
The shoe battle ending was silly. Boeing sized vhagar is the stealthiest dragon ever 😂
It's simply stupid and terrible screenwriting.
She hid behind a castle wall.
@@hideous_taco_michael_zacki catle was smaller than vhagar.
@@tomasztytak628 it really isn't,both times Vhagar was stealthy it had reasons,first she was hidden by clouds,second tile the enemy was distracted.
@@The-Master-of-Destiny555 enemy was distracted??
Both vhagar nd mekeys fell on the ground
And vhagar flew and went behind the castle
While meleys was doing what? Eating soldiers or something?
It was just stupid , so stupid that they couldn't even show it
It was never believed that Meleys could beat vhagar 1on1. Daemon himself said that they only stand a chance against Vhagar if they attack together.
Still trying to understand how none of the dragon riders are carrying like at least one crossbow to shoot at the dragon’s eye or the dragon rider
Thinking the same thing. I'd think a dragon can carry atleast a miniature scorpion bolt bow that the rider can deploy
So far all we saw were the riders being sitting ducks
@@drgrey134there strapped in but when the dragons manoeuvre or fight it would be impossible to see the other rider clearly.
Better yet stop taking her head on and go after her wings with dragon fire. Use your speed and maneuverability to your advantage. Size and weight is not a advantage in the air. Battle tactics in GOT and HOTD are crazy
What the fuck 😂 imagine trying to shoot a tiny person from 200 feet away with a goddamn crossbow bolt while riding on the back of a dragon 2,000 feet in the air. You’re hitting one shot in 500, and it’s bouncing straight off the rider’s armor or the dragon’s scales.
This kinda downy logical tbh, careful
Weird how that heavy huge dragon came super fast out of nowhere, considering its size it needed to lift off from the ground, with that speed?
Meleys died because, the story said likewise. Otherwise Meleys could have done serious damage on Vhagar. I still hate the fight between them on TV. It was so obvious that the Vhagar was hidden behind that castle.
Story said likewise otherwise......
What is wrong with you bro ...
It's a story itself
You're making conditions in story 😂😂😂
lol everything in a story happens because the story said it
on the book she focus on Sunfyre while enduring Vhagar fire
Melys did do some pretty good damage on vhagar when clawing at her. I'm betting vhagar is still recovering from that when they go face daemon over the gods eye, or that ceraxes reopens the same wound during that fight. I'm so ready to see how that fight goes
If rheanys would've flew up into the sky she would've got away, she could've retreated and daemon and rhyanra could've killed vhagarall of them together. The war could've been done
To everyone saying that she’s too big to sneak, the first time was in total cloud coverage. The second time she hid behind a giant cliff and a castle. She’s big, but big enough to hide. It’s obviously her favorite little trick, and since she’s nearly 200, she’s probably had a lot of practice.
"shes big, but big enough to hide" that makes zero fucking sense. its just poor writing to have the biggest and oldest dragon be so stealthy...
It makes no sense. If the victim did not see her coming out of the clouds or from behind the castle, how was she be able to see them through clouds and castle walls? Wall hacks? How did she time it so well and react so fast while she was supposedly old and slow?
She got 1 move 🤣🤡
How she was flied behind gigant cliff bro, she was fallen anda how she can flied so quickly to go behind cliff , and how mylyis didnt saw her , when shahar fl yo oʻng behind the castle , and castle was little
What's more there are videos of Lions hiding in short grass and Crocodiles hiding in shallow ponds. Predators, specially ambush predators are masters of their craft. People are being way to critical about the writing, it's realistic.
During the fight that followed between them, Daemon jumped from Caraxes in mid air, and killed Aemond by stabbing him in the eye with Dark Sister. Both dragons crashed in mid air and fell to the lake, Vhagar drowned, Caraxes managed to swim ashore, and died sometime later, while the body of Daemon was never found.
She did two things wrong: 1 she tightened herself to her dragon. 2 she didn’t take advantage of her dragons ability which was to fly faster and go higher. She didn’t have to target the dragon to win just the rider.
I always wondered how Vhagar reacted when Balerion died.
How tf could the largest dragon alive kill two dragons from a hide? Like how tf can you not see her 😂
That first time is understandable because of the clouds, the second time she activated invisibility.
How doesn’t lion sneak up on warthogs
plot armor
Used her preoccupation with sunfyre as a distraction it was aemond who made them wait
Highly agree. She put herself in huge disadvantage by not flying in open area and not being caught from behind cover. Using red queen's speed would have won the fight
Vhagar is massive as hell, she plays it like a large predator when stalking their prey on dealing with smaller and faster dragons.
But was killed by caraxes the best! 😂😂 size doesnt matter anymore
Daemon on Vermithor would be sick.
They show you two min due to budget lol
A bastard would ride Vermithor and they'll betray the blacks!
i don’t understand why he was singing to him in season 1. unless his dragons dies and he claims verm
Nah daemon on caraxes is fire. look at the caraxes size is the only matter. he s perfect
That Vhagar-Caraxes fight gonna be 🔥
Just send Caraxes and Daemon
Just wait
@@BassBrigade2012No need for waiting caraxes was the last one standing
Carafes won't survive a battle with Vaghar will end up dying
@@Tea962what are you on mate 😂 have you read the books ?
dragon necks are most vulnerable and all Caraxes have is neck😂😂😂...
They were able to kill Vehgar because Daemon & Caraxes were on a suicide mission.
Vermithor has entered the chat!
Vermithor ain't doing shit bro 😂😂
@@TitusJudah Man Vermithor is nearly as big as the big b**** and almost 100 years younger. The Bronze Fury would go three knuckles deep in Vhagar!
@@TitusJudah Man UA-cam be deleting my responses lol.
@@steven1813 lol what were you trying to say 😅
Game on lol
Daemon employed the best tactics a rider could pull off with Caraxes, and still both perished.
Besides Caraxes, I can think maybe only Vermithor and Cannibal could take Vhagar in 1v1 and expect to live
Maelys was damaged by the fight with sunfire and the fireblast from vhagar... she was tired by the time the behemoth of vhagar came into the 1v1
I heard she is weak to worms blood worms to be specific.
Plummeting down into the gods eye with a dragon biting her neck and her rider catching dark sister through the face
You need a large and agile dragon, with previous battle experience, with an experienced rider, who can utilise good battle tactics and attack Vhagar skilfully
Basically - Caraxes and Daemon
daemon: hey caraxes are u ready,
caraxes: yes m'lord
Honestly gotta give Condal even more props for the detailed prep of the dragons, planning perfectly for just this take down one day!
Maaaaan as soon as I saw that ledge and vaghar was gone I knew
Meleys was also badly wounded which affected her and yes, on the books it was believed that she stood a chance against Vhagar, she probably did had the circumstances changed.
If you read the books you already know how she died vhagar was big but not the biggest
Vhagar is the biggest at the time. I've read all the books.
Vhagar is the biggest. Caraxes was half her size. Meaning he was Smaller but only by half.
@@SaintSC05cannibal was bigger
@@frankiethaplugnope, he might be but thats never stated. hes likely around vermithors size
She wasn't had the biggest balls
So basically an experienced dragon rider . So basically daemon and his dragon
Meyles looks like the dragon from Shrek
She knew damn well not to fly around any huge buildings she knew they were hiding!
From a strategic point of view, the script wanted Meleys and Rhaenys to die in the stupidest way possible. Less than five minutes into the episode and it's over. A disgrace.
What are you on about?
I think the key is to rip the membrane in her wings ,so with her large mass she cant fly ,and with a sneaky attack from above possibly try to blind her with the claws .Once done so ,she would be pretty good of no use...
I wholeheartedly believe that the only 3 tamed dragons that can defeat Vhagar in a one-on-one fight is Caraxes, Meleys and Vermithor
Meleys was smaller and younger than silverwing. You can include vermithor but not silverwing, wtf.
@@benbarberian1701Silverwing isn't a war dragon, she is the calmest and nicest dragon. Silverwing has never fought a battle, she isn't agressive or fierce, her size doesn't do much when compared to Meleys. Meleys is a bit battle experienced, she is the fastest dragon and has a much more experienced rider than Silverwing. Silverwing is literally an innocent middle aged woman, while Meleys is a karen with muscles and fast speed.
Vhagar in her prime must have been a cheat code
I believe she went to die knowing that her death would get raneyra daemon and her husband to all go after the greens
She had a chance of killing Vhagar when she fell from the sky, but idk what Rhaenys was thinking to let such an opportunity to slide
Cuuuuurrrrseeee youuuu Vhaaaagaaaarrrr
You don't need even a dragon to beat him , you just need twenty good men
*laughs in bloodwyrm*
Aemond is making them pay for bullying him as a child.Now he is witty and tactically wise
Vermithor can take her down ( did not happend but he is more than cabable )
Who’s gonna ride him you think?
@@SkidogMedia We've already seen his future rider *hint hint* . Just think of the few new characters we met that seem to (at the moment) serve no purpose
But His rider in Dance of dragons was
Hugh hammer who is not a good rider and a traitor
@@itsmerohi3760just dragon vs dragon, instinct only, Vermithor has his youth, agile, speed, Vhagar experience, size only a but bigger then.
Vermithor could win with those "starts"
@@thedarkblackspeedy3140 But rider is dumb and useless
A dragon of that size & ambush while in air, it's like some one telling north pole and south pole are same. 😅
"How exactly Vhagar could be killed in 1vs1 battle? "
- "By Caraxes ridden by Daemon" End of debate 🔥
To kill a dragon you have to attack the neck because it is the weakest spot... Maeleys wasnt attacking the neck because if she gets close enough from Vhagars neck she will die, probably if she had no choice she couldve tried to attack and run until Vhagar gets tired, knowing that Vhagar needs a lot of energy(eating sheep)
I want a battle between vermithor and vhagar
if youre above and slightly behind her shes toast that hunk of old dragon aint spinning mid air to stop you
Caraxes be like:- let's talk👺
Guy shaking his head in back when Micah said it’s getting better 😂😂😂
The only one who would be a match for Vhagar is the Cannibal
Caraxes laughing in the corner
Yup literally
Vhagar is like an end of game player character who maxed stealth and speed to beat the game then did all the side quests with her elite gear to top off her strength and armor
The book's battle makes more sense that the series' battle!
what s different
@@francescoparmitani6359 Meleys goes into close combat with Sunfyre and grabs his neck. Vhagar does not attack with fire, but engages into close combat aswell. All three crash in a flaming ball of fire and only Vhagar emerges from the smoke and ashes.
Vhagar's a massive flying plot armor with arthritis on the tv show...
“”Caraxes wants to know Vhagar location 😂😂
He didnt survive battle too, but he managed to end old legend life with price of his wing and life of his rider🫠
@@linddragonforce2660 Caraxes and Dameon went out like the warriors they are and became Legends.
@@rattlertech Daemon is a sick man, he is not a legend. That is what is about the books: selfish crazy bastards like Daemon fighting for power and all life has no value for him
@@linddragonforce2660craxes swam back to shore and died there after some time while vhagar was sleeping in the lake with her rider strapped to her back
Caraxes didn't survive either. It was a suicides mission which was the only way to kill Vhaegar
Daemon and caraxes will be the ones to slay Vhagar.
God's Eye.. IYKYK
You don’t need to kill the dragon but need to take down the rider. Daemon does exactly this.
Well she did knock vhagar to the ground
Got killed after she was already scorched and messed up……they said 1v1 she would have a CHANCE. Regardless if sunfire did not do much to her she still got caught in the first vhagar fire and when they both tangled in the sky…..also lets not forget vhager has the MOST battle experience of all the dragons still alive regardless of her rider not really much of a shocker that it happened the way it did. Rewatch the episode when melys looks back and she rhenys is all burnt up she knows she turns back to die.
The blood worm is the only suitable candidate for this
Blood wyrm and meleys would absolutely overwhelm that "that old bitch" especially with 2 experienced riders but 1v1 it's nearly impossible for an outright win. But imagine the blood wyrm if it was 60-80 years older.... That much bigger. Now then id definitely take him
Vermithor?…
@@thetruthhurts2327 isn’t that one dead
@@thetruthhurts2327Vermithor has a chance, but Caraxes beat Vhagar because his long neck allowed him to reach in and tear out Vhagar’s throat. Although t unfortunately Vhagar tore open his belly.
@@zeroalpha9713 nope
Keep in mind in the books Meleys fought both sunfyre & Vhagar at the same time. It is confirmed by R.R. Martin that Meleys could’ve killed Vhagar if it wasn’t for sunfyre. Chris show wouldn’t even have a season 2 if Rhaenyra wasn’t such a fool & let Daemon have his way. He would’ve ended the greens bloodline in days.
Daemon : " wait I will show you how it is done "
Now i understand how caraxes kill vhagar because it have long neck when vhagar catch neck caraxes have extra neck to catch vhagar simpel😂
Yup craxes has some weird body shape and short temperamental like his master
We actually know how Vhagar finds her end. Caraxes kills her, being killed too in the process.
Vaghar got the upper hand and killed Maelys the same way he got Arrax. He flew up out from under them by surprise.
*she
but yeah, very dangerous old lady :D
Even with battle tactics there is no chance, firepower won't work and giving physical attack by getting near vhagar is dangerous, so it's an escape or die..💀
Dont worry, we all know how one-eyed willie and his dragon get killed.
With melys gone, The only one with adequate battle experience is caraxys. Vermithor may be abuse if he gets a new and experienced rider
Wait until she meets Daemon in combat
She struggled to defeat Meleys in a head-to-head battle, so she used stealth to take her out.
CaraxesXDaemon : We are not here for childplay
Daemon knew that! That’s why he got her out over a body of water!
Daemon and caraxes says hi 😂
Vhagar vs Godzilla.☠️
Caraxes: *Allow me to introduce myself*
Vhagar: What’s that in the background?
*Kerosene intensifies*
The show makes Vhagar seem pretty fast
Gotta deploy Vermithor the Cannibal or Caraxas while Daemon is in command
He took out 3 Dragons 😅😅😅
Kaijumon has the ability to teleport behind castles. that's how the chungo won
The only realistic advantage that Vhagar has is surprises 😂😂
Balerion vs vhagar would be sick
Im curious how HOTD will show the fight between caraxes and vhagar ,
One name,Caraxes. He can defeat the old ugly fossil dragon.
meleys is fast, energetic , youthful but vhagar has plot armour
Vhagar is an experienced ambush predator. She used the cover of the castle to take down Meleys. While the riders give some directions. It's the dragons themselves doing the bulk of the fighting and maneuvering.