@@MrEnte3000 I would also consider that a plothole, but I think it comes down to Porky trying to get as much control and influence over the islands as possible. Not to mention in chapter 8 they show brainwashing and memory warping going on, so I think those elements are/were meant to tie into the egg…
I'm still bitter about that, not necessarily because it's a plot hole, but because it's a huge setup with little to no payoff at all. You spend half of the game trying to get the bloody egg and then it's never brought up again besides a tiny lore bit saying it contains the memories of everyone's past lives or something, which is information that never becomes relevant at any point in the story.
@@elfrangofritoAdding onto this, I thought it was strange how once they retrieved the egg, Duster regained his memories, but not his memories of his previous life and the old world. Why didn't he regain all of his memories, including the ones that had been sealed away? There's also a line that implies not just Duster, but all of the members of the DCMC seemed to have suffered from amnesia. What's up with that? It's never expanded upon or mentioned again whatsoever.
@@doglikedude The DCMC were presumably brought to the Nowhere Islands by Porky, so their amnesia could be the Pigmask's doing in order to convince them to placate the citizens of Tazmily. This is only my speculation, though.
On my interpretation i just think that Hinawa's death was so tragic was because of how graphic and tragic it was, while dying of diseases is tragic, maybe it wasn't considered that big of deal because at least these people would die surrounded by their loved ones and could pass away peacefully, while with Hinawa she died alone (maybe with the company of Claus, but wasn't her entire family) and in a very graphic way, so maybe that's why its a big shock to everyone
13:06 While convoluted, one explanation is that those Zombies are from after the people of the White Ship arrived in the Nowhere Islands, but before the establishment of the Tazmily Villagers and the memory wipe.
This may be a little off topic but one thing i find very interesting about the villagers locking away their memories of the old world as to not make the same mistake as before, is that the need to ignore and not reflect upon their history is exactlly what made them susceptible to Fassad and Porkys influence later on, and i think that ignorance of the mistakes of before might explain some of the contradictions of tazmilly pre timeskip, like the comment made by mike, or the fact that pusher has a bigger house than everyone else or even how many of the villagers come off as dumb sometimes
Personally I think that Hinawa's death was a tragedy because it was violent and sudden. Not all cultures and people see death as tragedy; for some it's peaceful, a natural way of things to go, maybe even a good thing, and with a close knit community a child missing a parent wouldn't be seen as something as impactful as in modern society because it's the whole village raising children and taking care of them. So dying from the old age or an illness is just... the end of suffering. It's slow and can be painful but it's still expected. But someone getting straight up murdered? That is beyond this understanding of death. It's not someone falling ill and being surrounded by their family as they exchange goodbyes, it's something completely different. I think Tazmillians' understanding of the world is kinda like in The Giver. I recommend giving that book a try.
Oh, it absolutely was. But as far as the final game goes, it comes off as a bit odd…
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My perspective on that thing is that Maybe diseases and old age isn't considered as much of a tragedy as what happened to Hinawa Sure, it's sad, but it's nothing that could shake a whole village. They have a graveyard, and the zombies that came out to attack Duster don't look like they were people that old, so they probably saw death that weren't old age related Just yeah, the night Hinawa died everyone lost their mind, weird people were appearing and doing weird stuff, the forest was burning, strange creatures appeared seemingly out of nowhere. And a creature that was seen as peaceful was supposed to be the cause of that tragedy. My take is, they aren't completely oblivious to tragic stuff, just that night was too much for the entire village, and the missing parents probably just saw death that were comprehensive by the villagers so they just kept living their lives normaly after that (I mean, you can even get antidotes and all at the beginning of the game at the trading shop of I remember correctly, so at least the idea that diseases are a thing and it's something that needs to be taken care of definitely is a thing in the village)
i think it's mainly because of the mysterious nature of the forest fire and the fact that she was murdered by a drago, who were otherwise completely friendly to humans. it's a lot harder to emotionally comprehend violence like that than it is to cope with a tragedy that happens by chance or nature taking its course.
Nice video idea, I thought it was going to be about the Egg of Light / Hummingbird Egg but that might not have been as interesting! I haven’t really seen an explaination attempt for the lack of parents before…it’s a video topic that could only come from thinking a lot about EarthBound 64, which is your strong suit and helps your channel stand out from other MOTHER content creators. You did a good job of introducing a reason, then explaining why Tazmily’s blissfully ignorant inhabitants would have an innately optimistic look on missing persons.
i really thought this video was going to be about when they're about to pull the needle in tanetane island, and for some reason just decide to watch for 2 straight minutes as the pigmen come in, slowly set a carpet down and watch as the masked man just fucks them up and steals the needle. like it wasn't even an ambush, they could've just pulled it and been done with it, and pulling a needle doesn't seem to take very long, they don't even look too tired to pull the needle after the fight
One additional thing I’d like to mention is the assumption of traditional family structures. Single parents with one of the two parents just deciding mutually that they didn’t want to be the parent of a child with the other one wanting it is valid and can leave to just as good outcomes.
My understanding of the whole "Hinawa's death was a first for Tazmily" thing was that it wasn't necessarily the first PREMATURE death in the village, but it WAS the first VIOLENT death. There's a distinct TYPE of distress to someone having been KILLED rather than simply dying in an accident or of illness, especially in so peaceful a place, so I can see it still being a deeply and unusually traumatic event for the villagers even if it wasn't the first time someone had died in Tazmily. Silly headcanon is that the old man you can randomly find in hot springs is Angie's dad and the woman you can randomly find in hot springs is Fuel's mom. Alternatively Caroline and Lighter are amicably divorced or had a fling or something and Fuel and Angie are siblings, and then the two random hot springs people are Nana's parents.
I think this was a left-over thing that was a scrapped plotline from the N64 version, where it was going to start off as a mystery where you're supposed to solve why residents of Tazmilly Village are suddenly disappearing and several incidents of chimeras and monsters suddenly appearing.
I think plotholes like this are fine. No game has to make sense to begin with. The message is the most important thing & the story primarily serves to deliver that message. Interpret the story however you will. But if you dare tell me that Ness is Hot Dog man, I will put you on a rocket & send you to the sun
I came into this video thinking "wait there's a plot hole in Mother 3?" But after you said what the "plot hole" is I remembered how I was always confused about that. But I always thought that Hinawa's death was taken more seriously because it wasn't natural, and seemingly was done on purpose, and how it was a Drago that killed her. And Drago's were supposed to be peaceful creatures.
I'd argue the biggest plothole in Mother 3 is how we don't know why Locria (Fassad) betrayed the other magypsies. Were they always power-hungry by nature and saw the pigmasks as an opportunity to gain it? Or were they simply brainwashed by Porky at some point before the game? There is that unused cutscene of Lucas and co. supposedly meeting Locria as a normal magypsy which implies that they were brainwashed the whole time as Fassad and there was a scrapped plot point of Locria becoming un-brainwashed somehow. The more I think, the more I lean toward Locria being brainwashed as not only does the mouse at Locria's house say that they were kind to them, a contrast to how we see Fassad treat animals. But also how brainwashing is pretty much Porky's MO for gaining followers. All the nameless NPCs, the citizens of Tazmily and even Claus are all victims of Porky's brainwashing in some way so it makes the most sense that's what happened. Especially given how powerful the magypsies are canonically, it would be a huge boon for Porky to have one on his side so he snatched up Locria and made them yet another pawn.
I've seen the depiction that they were just bored. After living their life as a Magypsy for who knows how long, Porky offered them a change of pace and let them leave their old life behind. Either way, I feel like it's one of those things that doesn't need to be explained, because the lack of explanation makes it more interesting to think about.
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Yay, love when funi Puyo guy uploads Mother 3 stuff
Really interesting analysis!! I haven’t heard much discussion about Tazmily’s people and haven’t thought much about this plot hole, so this was very enjoyable :)
I think the Zombies in the Graveyard were people on the voyage to the Nowhere Islands, some probably died along the way and they were probably buried, then when they used the Hummingbird's Egg, they would forgot what was in the graveyard, this would make them be ignorant with Death while still having Dead people in the graveyard, which in that case the Zombies probably remembered what happened in the "previous world" which is kinda cool
I think the contrast of the innocence and the darker elements works really well to establish so much in the game. On that level its definitely written to be one of those "If you think about it, thats kinda fucked up isn't it" kind of stories.
@@laslosermcuseless1574 i mean thats what people said about gab then parlor then mastodon and then threads, but sure THIS time bluesky which is essentially a carbon copy of twitter, this one will catch on.
I thought this was gonna be about how the game never properly explains what the bad guys actually want with the egg.
@@MrEnte3000 I would also consider that a plothole, but I think it comes down to Porky trying to get as much control and influence over the islands as possible. Not to mention in chapter 8 they show brainwashing and memory warping going on, so I think those elements are/were meant to tie into the egg…
I'm still bitter about that, not necessarily because it's a plot hole, but because it's a huge setup with little to no payoff at all. You spend half of the game trying to get the bloody egg and then it's never brought up again besides a tiny lore bit saying it contains the memories of everyone's past lives or something, which is information that never becomes relevant at any point in the story.
@@elfrangofritoAdding onto this, I thought it was strange how once they retrieved the egg, Duster regained his memories, but not his memories of his previous life and the old world. Why didn't he regain all of his memories, including the ones that had been sealed away?
There's also a line that implies not just Duster, but all of the members of the DCMC seemed to have suffered from amnesia. What's up with that? It's never expanded upon or mentioned again whatsoever.
@@doglikedude The DCMC were presumably brought to the Nowhere Islands by Porky, so their amnesia could be the Pigmask's doing in order to convince them to placate the citizens of Tazmily. This is only my speculation, though.
On my interpretation i just think that Hinawa's death was so tragic was because of how graphic and tragic it was, while dying of diseases is tragic, maybe it wasn't considered that big of deal because at least these people would die surrounded by their loved ones and could pass away peacefully, while with Hinawa she died alone (maybe with the company of Claus, but wasn't her entire family) and in a very graphic way, so maybe that's why its a big shock to everyone
But i liked on interpretation too as well, it makes a lot of sense and a new context to her death, i just wanted to share my thoughts as well
I meant to say sad the second time, English isn't my first language so i tend to do silly mistakes like this sometimes lol
13:06 While convoluted, one explanation is that those Zombies are from after the people of the White Ship arrived in the Nowhere Islands, but before the establishment of the Tazmily Villagers and the memory wipe.
This may be a little off topic but one thing i find very interesting about the villagers locking away their memories of the old world as to not make the same mistake as before, is that the need to ignore and not reflect upon their history is exactlly what made them susceptible to Fassad and Porkys influence later on, and i think that ignorance of the mistakes of before might explain some of the contradictions of tazmilly pre timeskip, like the comment made by mike, or the fact that pusher has a bigger house than everyone else or even how many of the villagers come off as dumb sometimes
Personally I think that Hinawa's death was a tragedy because it was violent and sudden. Not all cultures and people see death as tragedy; for some it's peaceful, a natural way of things to go, maybe even a good thing, and with a close knit community a child missing a parent wouldn't be seen as something as impactful as in modern society because it's the whole village raising children and taking care of them. So dying from the old age or an illness is just... the end of suffering. It's slow and can be painful but it's still expected. But someone getting straight up murdered? That is beyond this understanding of death. It's not someone falling ill and being surrounded by their family as they exchange goodbyes, it's something completely different.
I think Tazmillians' understanding of the world is kinda like in The Giver. I recommend giving that book a try.
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@PhantomOfficial07 thanks! It's my own edit
Maybe the Flint thing with the needles is just a leftover from when he was initially planned to be a party member
Oh, it absolutely was. But as far as the final game goes, it comes off as a bit odd…
My perspective on that thing is that
Maybe diseases and old age isn't considered as much of a tragedy as what happened to Hinawa
Sure, it's sad, but it's nothing that could shake a whole village. They have a graveyard, and the zombies that came out to attack Duster don't look like they were people that old, so they probably saw death that weren't old age related
Just yeah, the night Hinawa died everyone lost their mind, weird people were appearing and doing weird stuff, the forest was burning, strange creatures appeared seemingly out of nowhere. And a creature that was seen as peaceful was supposed to be the cause of that tragedy.
My take is, they aren't completely oblivious to tragic stuff, just that night was too much for the entire village, and the missing parents probably just saw death that were comprehensive by the villagers so they just kept living their lives normaly after that (I mean, you can even get antidotes and all at the beginning of the game at the trading shop of I remember correctly, so at least the idea that diseases are a thing and it's something that needs to be taken care of definitely is a thing in the village)
i think it's mainly because of the mysterious nature of the forest fire and the fact that she was murdered by a drago, who were otherwise completely friendly to humans. it's a lot harder to emotionally comprehend violence like that than it is to cope with a tragedy that happens by chance or nature taking its course.
Nice video idea, I thought it was going to be about the Egg of Light / Hummingbird Egg but that might not have been as interesting! I haven’t really seen an explaination attempt for the lack of parents before…it’s a video topic that could only come from thinking a lot about EarthBound 64, which is your strong suit and helps your channel stand out from other MOTHER content creators. You did a good job of introducing a reason, then explaining why Tazmily’s blissfully ignorant inhabitants would have an innately optimistic look on missing persons.
i really thought this video was going to be about when they're about to pull the needle in tanetane island, and for some reason just decide to watch for 2 straight minutes as the pigmen come in, slowly set a carpet down and watch as the masked man just fucks them up and steals the needle.
like it wasn't even an ambush, they could've just pulled it and been done with it, and pulling a needle doesn't seem to take very long, they don't even look too tired to pull the needle after the fight
One additional thing I’d like to mention is the assumption of traditional family structures. Single parents with one of the two parents just deciding mutually that they didn’t want to be the parent of a child with the other one wanting it is valid and can leave to just as good outcomes.
My understanding of the whole "Hinawa's death was a first for Tazmily" thing was that it wasn't necessarily the first PREMATURE death in the village, but it WAS the first VIOLENT death. There's a distinct TYPE of distress to someone having been KILLED rather than simply dying in an accident or of illness, especially in so peaceful a place, so I can see it still being a deeply and unusually traumatic event for the villagers even if it wasn't the first time someone had died in Tazmily.
Silly headcanon is that the old man you can randomly find in hot springs is Angie's dad and the woman you can randomly find in hot springs is Fuel's mom. Alternatively Caroline and Lighter are amicably divorced or had a fling or something and Fuel and Angie are siblings, and then the two random hot springs people are Nana's parents.
Whenever that happens, a wizard did it.
Tazmily village is like Cyprus when I was growing up. Being a tightly knit community is really not the dream everyone imagines it to be.
I think this was a left-over thing that was a scrapped plotline from the N64 version, where it was going to start off as a mystery where you're supposed to solve why residents of Tazmilly Village are suddenly disappearing and several incidents of chimeras and monsters suddenly appearing.
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I just figured the Egg not only took memories, it brainwashed a little.
Maybe not now I think about it.
I think plotholes like this are fine. No game has to make sense to begin with. The message is the most important thing & the story primarily serves to deliver that message.
Interpret the story however you will. But if you dare tell me that Ness is Hot Dog man, I will put you on a rocket & send you to the sun
I came into this video thinking "wait there's a plot hole in Mother 3?"
But after you said what the "plot hole" is I remembered how I was always confused about that. But I always thought that Hinawa's death was taken more seriously because it wasn't natural, and seemingly was done on purpose, and how it was a Drago that killed her. And Drago's were supposed to be peaceful creatures.
I'd argue the biggest plothole in Mother 3 is how we don't know why Locria (Fassad) betrayed the other magypsies. Were they always power-hungry by nature and saw the pigmasks as an opportunity to gain it? Or were they simply brainwashed by Porky at some point before the game? There is that unused cutscene of Lucas and co. supposedly meeting Locria as a normal magypsy which implies that they were brainwashed the whole time as Fassad and there was a scrapped plot point of Locria becoming un-brainwashed somehow. The more I think, the more I lean toward Locria being brainwashed as not only does the mouse at Locria's house say that they were kind to them, a contrast to how we see Fassad treat animals. But also how brainwashing is pretty much Porky's MO for gaining followers. All the nameless NPCs, the citizens of Tazmily and even Claus are all victims of Porky's brainwashing in some way so it makes the most sense that's what happened. Especially given how powerful the magypsies are canonically, it would be a huge boon for Porky to have one on his side so he snatched up Locria and made them yet another pawn.
I think the answer is pretty simple. They weren't brainwashed. I don't think any of the characters were. Its just how fascism works.
I've seen the depiction that they were just bored. After living their life as a Magypsy for who knows how long, Porky offered them a change of pace and let them leave their old life behind. Either way, I feel like it's one of those things that doesn't need to be explained, because the lack of explanation makes it more interesting to think about.
Yay, love when funi Puyo guy uploads Mother 3 stuff
God, I love your Mother 3 videos. Thank you for this.
Really interesting analysis!! I haven’t heard much discussion about Tazmily’s people and haven’t thought much about this plot hole, so this was very enjoyable :)
New Jonathan upload, let’s fucking go!!!!
@@flippant_foe hell yeah and a comment from Khaj, liiiiit
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just got this in my recommended. that is an interesting plothole. never thought about it til now.
12:22 In the Ocean, She's a mermaid
I think the Zombies in the Graveyard were people on the voyage to the Nowhere Islands, some probably died along the way and they were probably buried, then when they used the Hummingbird's Egg, they would forgot what was in the graveyard, this would make them be ignorant with Death while still having Dead people in the graveyard, which in that case the Zombies probably remembered what happened in the "previous world" which is kinda cool
Wow! Great explanation. So cool. I really like your truly thoughtful analysis.
Very interesting video, Jonathan!
the time skip was at one point 10 years. Really think they should have kept that tbh.
I think your interpretation is on the ball.
I think the contrast of the innocence and the darker elements works really well to establish so much in the game. On that level its definitely written to be one of those "If you think about it, thats kinda fucked up isn't it" kind of stories.
Never thought about this actually.
More Mother 3 content wooo! Also, i can't believe that they removed the chimera zombie from the final game, it looks cool
13:00 Flint was originally supposed to be playable for much more of the game as a party member
You're literally trying to school the teacher.
I'm still early into the video, but I'll try to guess.
Is it about the Seventh Needle?
Got yourself a new sub man :D God bless ya and Jesus loves ya :)
That is... not a really interesting "plot hole"
why make a bluesky when everyone is on twitter?
People are rapidly escaping the depths of twitter, never to return.
@@laslosermcuseless1574 i mean thats what people said about gab then parlor then mastodon and then threads, but sure THIS time bluesky which is essentially a carbon copy of twitter, this one will catch on.