The Story of/ What is Elune [Lore]
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- ELUNE BE PRAISED! but what or who is Elune?! SInce the Tomb of Sargeras mentions her quite a bit, I figured why not! Lets grab the information that we have and try to figure out what or who Elune is. I hope you'll enjoy!
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Let's not forget that Elune is so powerful, she can create ten stars in the blink of an eye. She literally created solar systems to honor a dragon.
Alex Tygesen If were going real deep into the star thing, she created them before Ysera died, so the light had time to travel to Azeroth. Even more impressive :P
Sophia Astatine maybe the Warcraft universe has different laws of physics(is the speed of light under the laws of physics? i dont know if photons are physical) and so light can travel faster than in our universe?
Time Travel. ^_^
literally bro
@@SophiaAstatine Eh either that, or they blew up in a few supernovaes (is there even a plural of that word?)
As someone on a forum pointed out, considering how stars work, Elune turning Ysera into a constellation is a probably her greatest show of power we've seen so far.
I would say yep and have the Titans develop stars or solar systems? I do not think so. So, Elune = light, while the Void Lords = darkness. Just like the Titans = Arcane/order, while the Fel = Chaos.
Elune thrives in the night. before the Titans came, every night, she would cause all creature upon Azoroth to rest, if not slumber, as well as heal. so her power seems to thrive in the night. we've yet to see her do much during the day... even the two races she created, Trolls and Elves, both prefer the night/dark
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@@TheTitanList - Well, she is called the moon goddess for a reason. We have only seen the Night Elves only call upon her during the night though. We still do not know what she is. Then there is the phrase, "light in the darkness." I guess no pun intended there by Blizzard.
Did they add the ysera constellation to the skybox across the zones?
@@TheTitanList As far as things we've seen her do during the day, technically her cleansing Ysera was done during the day. She turned day into night by causing a solar eclipse. As the original poster claimed that it was her greatest show of power thus far, I'd say she's pretty powerful, even in "day" time. :)
I bet not even Blizzard knows what Elune is.
they don't even know how a titan birth.
@@ulricmorningstar3524 I imagine it's like Chestbursters from Alien. All of the player characters are so caught up in "Saving" Azeroth, we don't even think about the potential consequences...
Maybe the Old Gods were right after all?... :-\
@@Billaxle dont the old gods literally want to corrupt azeroth and use the titan inside to destroy the universe? How does that make them right?
@@Billaxle i mean the old gods want to corrupt the titan to become the vilest being thing in existance to corrupt the universe and beyond (if not just outright kill all sentient beings). Even if it is a chest burster that has far less reaching consequences for the universe as a whole than one little planet of war.
@@Billaxle what the old gods want to do still includes the titan bursting from inside so no. But,yes,everyone on the planet will probably die if the time of the birth comes
Can moons have intercourse with stags?
Nobble is asking the REAL questions of Azeroth right here!
A moon as in large amount of land mass?
No.
A moon godess?
Absolutely.
Even the weakest of gods are know to have childeren with animals.
Gods are extremely compatable apparently.
Indeed they are, just look at old mythology
well, it is stated that Malorne can take other forms than a stag but he just prefers being one
That wouldn't even be the weirdest thing in the Abrahamic mythologies.
better question, did Elune use her lunar tentacles(the same kind she picked Ysera up with) during the...act?
The Ysera feels :'-(
I know, right? Always makes me feel sad. :(
It might just be my hormones, but I almost cried at that cut scene.
I cry every damn time, hormones or not. You're not alone. :P
It chokes me up every time too. Especially with the interaction beforehand. The music in the scene is incredible.
@@ravenbristow9248 the music makes it that much more emotional...
Seemed to me like Elune is a Titan inside the moon or something, but she made a star constellation out of yseras spirit, So she must be something more. Something a lot bigger. Maybe the moon is a tool of sort, for her to observe azeroth.
He just said just to observe think of a Crystal as an EYE you far far far far far away from that but you can see Azeroth through the Moon....
Titan Keepers can use the Light. Why not Titans themselves?
According to Chronicles volume 2, she is as old as the universe and is the source of all Light. She created the Naaru and watches over Azeroth and it's worldsoul, taking the shape of a moon.
because that's like saying why can't the old gods use felfire, the titans are straight up made out of arcane energy just like sargeras is made out fire. Of course you can change what you are made out of but we have no evidence of titans joining the light. Arcane is pretty much another faction like the void
Find it hard to believe she's a Titan. Was the moon there when the Titans came? They would of notice her.
You see Nobbel,when a Moom and moose love eachother very much they do the M&M's you see?
*moon
@@yosup2174 you corrected a comment from 3 years ago lmao
Malorne did not get rekt by Archimonde to be called a moose
Tyrande kissed Broxigar FIVE TIMES..... Poor Illidan lol
''And as Broxigar's boner rose, Illidan was boiling with rage''
Vancrox I CANT EVEN HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA
Illidan is kind of a whiner though...
@@shiftygypsy89migh41 he's the biggest simp in the wow lore actually if you think about it
before there was BLACKED, there was FEL GREENED
My theory was that Elune is both light and shadow, think of the cycle of the moon, light and dark. She has something to do with naaru, how they have a light and a dark form. What ever elune is it's some entity that sits between light and dark.
Ye i think the same way too. It seems like an entity which keeps the universe in harmony. Light cannot exist without shadow and vice versa. It would make alot of sense.
no, they are not corrupted, once a naaru use all the light inside them, they must pass for a recovery phase, where they bacame filled with void energy, after a few months on that form, they are healed and back on their old self, now, if a naaru is abused, like having his energie drained in that void state, he will become void gods (those big voidwalkers)
Niko that is actually the best theory I've ever heard! She can be the creator of void lords and the naaru and she can be the key to stop the void. But she is not able to fight them alone that's why she turned to the children of Azeroth 😲
I remember hearing them say that the titans are like gods bot not quite. So perhaps Elune is what you'd actually classify as a god?
I wouldn't be surprised. I'm pretty sure Blizzard is going to turn the light vs shadow war on its head at some point, considering how much they've tried to show that there are no absolute good guys or bad guys.
Fuck that cinematic at 12:58 is sooo good, I cry evertim ;_;
IKR, I still tear up
I know! I hate myself more and more every time I see that cinematic because I'm like "You should be desensitized to this by now! This is like the twelfth time, fuck!"
The Tears of Elune make more sense now when you see that cinematic. It wasn't just as simple as going and getting the Tears. The only way to cleanse corruption is death. Elune shed her tears at the loss of such a noble creature and for our part in releasing Ysera from the corruption.
Dying soldier in Icecrown? So much cleansing, nothing works until the Narru take him, I sniffle a bit. Maraad's death at the hand of Blackhand during WoD and says to Yrel with his last dying breath "in the Light, we are one...", gets me every time. I tremble when Tirion is nearly literally burned alive by Fel fire. I choke up when I see Varian stab a Fel Reaver in the face and then get done in by Gul'dan by being stabbed in the back (literally) by his cowardly demons... but the death of Ysera... fuck. Nope, gotta quit playing now before I blow something up.
cujoedaman I know right! I love all of those characters that you mentioned but never cried for any of them as I did for Ysera 😭
Same it's the best in game.
What if elune was amazed by azeroths world souls power and watches since then over Azeroth as the moon
but didnt the blue child left azeroth to explore in cata?
Caio Ramos i think she is def. in ties with the naruu, as the creator of xera, my guess is really, that she is the equivalent to the void lords and maybe is in her own realm herself, unable to really enter our universe like the void lords, so she channels her power trough beings like tyrande unable to manifest, and just like the void gets worshipped and in return those worshippers get power from the void, the priest hood of elune gets power by elune
Naaru = old gods elune = void lords?
Maybe Elunen is Azeroths world soul?
Amir Beluli no makes no sense at all, to many points against it
In the end we must travle down into the well and fight the final secret old god hiding below it.
After its done the game shuts down and removes itself from your computer.
All warcraftdiscs will stop working.
When you try to install it you get the message
"There is no more. Azeroth (Elune) has awoken"
.....what a shitty expansion
Elune is nothing we have ever heard of or encountered a true deity perhaps the only one.
She cant be a Titan soul, Old God, Narru, or Void Lord for none has the power to create stars millions of miles away just to make a constellation to honor Ysera.
She is a Holy Lady.
What if Elune is a titan soul inside a Moon is that possible ?
marko gruicic That doesn't make sense because the titans would have sensed it. But at this point i wouldn't be surprised if blizzard ignored the previous lore.
sounds plausible. I think she might be the one who was receiving Algalons Messages. Maybe Azeroth herself is the holy titan that created the naaru and the old gods draw energy from her. Elune would then be aiding us to free Azeroth from the old grasp. I'd like to se something Ghostbusters-esque "if somebody asks you if you are a god you say YES!" xD
And Elune uses arcane just as much as she does Light. Druid moon spells are all arcane.
Our moon is just a large chunk of Earth that broke off millions of years ago when something big hit it, I imagine Elune is much the same for Azeroth so it's her child, and it's been pretty obvious that ever since we learned Azeroth is a female titan that she's the Earth Mother that the old Tauren legends speak of. I really don't know why so many people think Azeroth is Elune. It gives Blizzard the perfect excuse to create another titan, just one that isn't as powerful as the others, and one that we're not living on at the moment.
Freeasacar the World of Warcraft universe doesn't necessarily have the same structure as ours. Infact, i can almost guarantee it doesn't.
I believe Elune is like the counterpart of the Void Lords, that she's responsible for not only the Naaru but perhaps aswell the Titans? Like she's the pure light out in the universe and with the creation of Azeroth, she perhaps put some of herself into the Titan Soul, rendering it the strongest one out there, which would fit with the Well of Eternity being 'the Blood of Azeroth' itself and having these magical, properties about Elune and communing to her. Aswell is it shown that Elune is much more compassionate and not as fierce as the Naaru are, which might tell that she's above those too. Either thing'd be very interesting to see in the coming addons.
Agreed. Elune is the opposite of the Void Lords. That she created the Titans, which are Arcane entities, but a step down from the light.
Elune is a void lord turned to the light.
wow thats the most out of left field theory I've ever heard, congrats on that
Javt Vincent that would be pretty sick
I'm pretty sure void lords are the natural state of Narru though it would be neat for elune to be a void god because of the emphasis she has on the night but is also an entity of light
Holy crap. That's so left field that it wrapped around infinity and became _right field_.
Hm. I don't know how to feel about this one.
jaxon noble great point.
Elune is a dreadlord
Erik Le Blanc Pleym i can't even
Beat me to it!
Erik is a dred lord.
Everyone is a Dreadlord
I am not belive me.
Maybe the moon has like a very small titan soul. Only powerful enough to do moderate god stuff.
I do think elune is the moon, and the connection she have with azzeroth maybe that the moon refflected upon the well of eternity, some other histories have that thing when a lake on the earth have the full moon reflection on it and become a magical place, maybe elune is the titam of the moon, connected with azeroth by its refflection on the lake...
@@RotivOsnofa Or the Titan got split...
I think Elune may be the consciousness of the Light. The light may be the embodiment, and Elune may be the consciousness. Titan spirit in Azoroth is so strong that Elune herself is guiding her. The turren worship the Earth Mother. The Earth Mother is the Elune mothering Azoroth. I really don't think Elune is a Naru, but the Naru the Light condensed. Valen is wrong about Elune because not even the Naru understand what Elune is. The Naru are just manifestations of the light, and such are cut off from the consciousness of the night. The Titans don't even understand Elune, or Sargeras would have turned to Elune rather then chaos to stop the voidlords. The Titans understood the light, but never communed with the consciousness. The Titans awoke from there slumber to find what they thought was an empty universe. They knew where they came from, but never asked where the light came from. The Naru know they came from Elune, but Naru also come from older Naru, so they assume Elune is a Naru. Nozdormu Witnessed both the Oldgods and Elune in the Well of Eternity. Nozdormu was not consumed by the madness at the time because Elune showed a vision of the Oldgod's grasp and was then able to escape before hearing the whispers. The dark trolls/nightelfs were able to commune with Elune because of the added power of the Well of Eternity, AND they overheard Elune teaching and guiding Azoroth.
The night elfs, Void Lords, The Void itself (if it has consciousness) and maybe Oldgods are the only ones in the Warcraft Universe that know about Elune. The Oldgods may know just so they don't make any mistakes to give hope in the power of Elune. The Oldgods don't talk about Elune in hopes that others will forget.
Sargeras does not know about Elune, but is the closest to knowing outside of the night elfs since he understands the Void.
Just a quick note. The Titans were really stupid. Sargeras is fighting a losing war with Azoroth, but is counting on his power to win. This is why he recruited the Eradar and Nathrezim. They were the most cunning.
Also the Void (if it has consciousness) and Elune can never really defeat each other. They are stuck in an eternal war fueled by the offensiveness of the other's creations. Each are racing for the ultimate weapon that can invade, and destroy the other's creations. The Oldgods are the Void's weapon that can reach to the light side. The Titans were just a proof on concept for the creation of Azoroth. Azoroth is Elune's weapon to destroy The Void's creations. IT IS REALLY UP TO THE HEROES OF ELUNE'S CREATION TO SET UP A LASTING WALL BETWEEN THE VOID AND ELUNE
Well I just said enough for someone to make a video about. I hope more then myself will read it. This is my therory, but it takes alot into account.
But her power seems to be associated more with arcane magic...such as that of the Moonwells.
I would say, her power seems to be "Nature itself and things associated" Cause it's said she created Naaru(beings of light) Priestesses of Elune/Druids uses Arcane, Druids/Cenarius cares so much about balance and nature(might have something to do with Elune) night elfs can use shadowmeld (which is counted as? I don't know there) moonwells as you say
what if moon represent Arcane, Sun Light and Azeroth something else(just speculation with colors as basis on the first two and the last well just came up with that one x)
So she could have three types of magics if we go by that ^^
best comment dude
Well how about this: Elune is the light, which Arcane is a down step from light. Light is purity and arcane is order. Arcane has to come from the light. Void Lords are the shadow/void and mostly use corruption in order to destroy and conquer. Fel is chaos, which is known as a corruption, just like void is. I would say that Arcane is part of the Light, but a step down. Fel is part of the void, but a step down.
Proof of Void and Fel: We have seen within the raids that Fel corrupts, Sargeras, a Titan that changed. The Fel has even gone so far to use void beings, such as Void Lords in the raids. Fel is part of the shadow. Then you have the fact that the void twists and corrupts beings into different beings.
Proof of Light and Arcane: Both are peace and order. The Naruu is light incarnate, but beings created by a creator, aka Elune. The universe was somehow born. We know the Void Lords did not want it and are trying to destroy it. Arcane is order, which the Light has always had as one of its virtues. They both work together, hand in hand. Both do not corrupt.
I personally want her to be the titan inside Azeroth, explaining her connection to the Well and why a titan relic was named after her, but I think it's (unfortunately, in my opinion) more likely for her to be a "Light Lord".
I thought Naaru were "light lords". Unless Naaru are to light lords like Old Gods are to void lords.
There is a connection. She spoke to the ancient dark trolls through titan artifacts they found at the Well.
That wouldn't make a lot of sense cause she apparently created the prime Naaru. How would a slumbering world-soul have created them?
Could be a Titan medic system that happens to be moon sized?
Did you see that cinematic?? Elune is obviously not inside of Azeroth.
I swear to god, Ysera' s death and rebirth makes me tear up time I see it. Blessed be Elune's sacred moonlight!
Blessed be Elune!
I think Elune isnt a Naaru, since her powers seem to be far beyond them, and that she is actually the creator of the Naaru to spread her light across the universe. In fact, I see the Void Lords to be equal with the Naaru and there is probably an Elune level being that is the master of them. I like to think there was once a single being in an endless void of nothingness and in their lonliness, split itself, a being of light and shadow, into two so that it would have a companion, which is the real origination of the universe. The Naaru were created when the Void Master created minions to corrupt the universe, so instead of having a companion to share their time with, they became adversaries. Elune created the Naaru to combat the Void Lords who in turn created what we call the old gods, the Naaru created the Pantheon to spread the light of elune and bring life to the universe. Keeping things in order. The old gods being there to corrupt and destroy the light, bringing it into shadow. Beings of light can be corrupted and brought into shadow, while beings of shadow can be purified and brought into light.
Unfortunately, Sargeras took his role too seriously, and slaughtered the Pantheon, and created the Burning Legion to kill all life and the source of all life, which is Elune, thinking she will eventually be corrupted. Which would plunge the universe into shadow. Elune knows there must be balance, where there is light, there will always be shadow, and shadow can not exist with out light to create it. Which would explain the child of light and shadow prophecy. There is one who tows the line between both sides, that will bring balance to the whole thing once again because of Sargeras' actions causing an imbalance.
Of course this is my own thoughts on it, and who knows what Blizzard does.
Shiirow naaru's aren't even as powerful as old gods but nice theory
You seem to be forgetting about the Prime Naaru, which are likely quite powerful.
Relyks they're more comparable to old gods maybe but certainly not void lords
I wasn't suggesting they're on the same power level as Void Lords at all. I'm merely pointing out that they're not so weak that they can be killed by "an average villager if he slams it with a sword for long enough." which is obviously absurd.
Shiirow Maybe she is Azeroths World Soul? Just strong enoughn to effect the people on it.
Hey nobbel, this is actually a Lord Argument I have had with many people, and what I've eventually boiled it down to is, Elune is all 3, that the Night Elves believe is a single entity. The being that made Cenarius, with Malonre, as well as the other connections to nature, was likely Freya, the Titan Watcher. The being that gives the Night Elves their power over Light is likely a Narru, hidden away somewhere in the stars. And finally, there is the Titan, who lives in the well. She is the one who taught the Night Elves how to use Arcane, and all that junk. And though these are 3 separate entities, the Night Elves see all these actions as having been done by one being, Elune. At least, that's what makes the most sense to me.
Dude, all the titans are dead except Sargeras. Sargeras killed them all (except Azeroth)
Yes, except our Titan Soul, who hasn't awoken. As well, the Titan Watchers are all fine and dandy.
Mr Huge then please explain to me what lifted ysera up to the stars
+Valkaring If datamining from patch 7.3 is correct- (Potential spoilers below, you've been warned.)
-then Sargeras gathered the spirits of his fellow titans and corrupted them to the fel.
Dude, the Titans ain't dead, their bodies were destroyed but their spirits were saved, wow chronicles states it. Also, why are we freeing them in the 7.3 raid then? Please know the lore before you state facts. I could even spoil more for you about what could happen (since it's a PTR) but I don't know if you play the game and want to be surprised.
nobbel it was amazing to meet you at preachcon! really cool of you to give out autographs and just talk lore with the fans! im the dutch guy that lives in ibiza! cheers
Humm, interesting, so, in the War of the Ancients book, it says that Nozdormu's mind "plied a different realm" and when he tried to get close to the core, "the truth", tendrils of inky water stretched up (obvious reference to the old gods) and seized him. Could this mean that this "different realm" that Nozdormu visited was, perhaps, the realm of Nya'lotha ?
Ehhhh. Its Knaak. Assume noncannon till proven otherwise. Not worth speculating on stuff he writes
Elune always has had a darker side.
It's noncannon ? Didn't know that, I just found the description of the well quite intriguing and somewhat familiar.
Its not that its non cannon, its that the dude is a bad writer so his stuff gets retconned a lot more then average, which isn't helped by the fact that it the specific book you are quoting is pre-wow old. Look at it ambiguously cannon. The broad strokes are right, as is anything that has been confirmed by a second source, but speculating on specifics are worthless. For example, in the second book it is very clear about the fact that everyone and everything in Suramar died. That changed at some point.
Your specific example doesn't really make sense in the context of the well described in more modern sources. Ny'alotha is also something we don't know much about. Therefore, it is probably not worth it to speculate.
Bruno Dantas .
It's possible that the communications the early trolls had were a case of mistaken identity, maybe they were talking to Azeroth but thought she was Elune.
Chronicles mentions the realm of light and void and the constant struggle in that realm that caused the big bang and the Naruu were created then, so too were the titans.
So I believe that Elune comes from the universe of light and void, so I think she is the counter part to the voidlords.
In the old Warcraft RPGs they mentioned that Elune was the only true goddess in Warcraft.
2020: Elune is a First One, the one who controls life and order at least, seeking to maintain the balance of the universe.
The first Ones being a higher hierarchy than all we have saw until now(titans, void lords, sargeras and so on). She still a mystery even today with those bits of info from the shadowlands expansion.
Well let me tell you this. As far as I know about the relation between Elune and Goldriin my theory is that the wild god did not wanted to be tamed or befriended by anyone and Elune was disappointed with him for his savagery but during the war of the ancient's Goldriin did fight bravely to save as many lives as he could and that particular self act elevated him to the eyes of Elune realizing that she can at least sooth his rage so that he can not be all that bloodlust all the time. That's what I think it goes with that relationship. Almost the same thing happens with the worgen on their trial of balance to be both man and beast. At any rate great video Nobbel. Keep up the good work!!!!!!
Sometimes I wonder if Elune is the sun, and uses the moon as means to focus/reduce the power she uses on Azeroth. If titans are born of planets, whats to stop a much more powerful being being born or form into a star.
I still like to think Elune is the only actual god(ess) in the warcraft cosmology, like she was in the d20 RPG. An all powerful, but also very far removed from the struggles of mortals and immortals alike, force of creation and light.
Elune is the titan I've been trying to kill for 10000 years now.
Sargeras 😆
Its the opposite of a voidlord is what I think something above the naruu
Kill? I thought you wanted her as a waifu.
She isn't a Titan, the moon was there since the start. The Titans would of notice dreams coming from it. Plus a Titan can't be that active while still in it slumbering state.
It is to late, she is waiting for me in my chambers!
Doesn't matter how many times I see the scene. Scene with Ysera and Elune always tears me up.
So Nelfs are Trolls? Wow. Trolls are such an old race! "We was here before anyone!?"
The Ysera scene after being reminded that Elune conceived Cenarius:
Those aren't tentacles, they're Gentacles!!!
Or Elune is the God(dess) of the warcraft universe. No Light Lord, Void Lord turned into good or titan essence drunk Loa.
I would think she embodies all the light, while the Void Lords embody the shadow. Arcane is the step down of the light, while fel is the step down from the void.
Don’t these entities exist in cycles? Like a light lord eventually becomes a void lord back and forth?
I hope she’s a balance between the two and had the abilities to control whatever side she wants. She’s balance and has powers from both light and dark which is why she’s so powerful. That would be really cool to me.
What if Elune was this perfect being that was responsible for the clash between light and shadow? I've always wondered why we think that light = good and void = bad. One can not exist without the other and our ways (the light) aren't necessarily better than theirs (the shadow), the Void Lords and all their minions just see things differently.
My guess would be that Elune is not only responsible for the creation of the Naaru but also the Void Lords. In that case she would be the perfect balance of light and shadow. In Ysera's cinematic we can see presumably Elune take her spirit. But here, she doesn't just appear as a glowing moon but rather as an Eclipse. And what forms an eclipse? The sun and the moon together - light and shadow. This could potentialy explain several void aspects related to elune, like why some priests have such a strong connection to the void. Maybe Elune's blessing "empowers the side you're on based on the way you see things.
Maybe what Elune wants is peace between both "factions", but all the Naaru and the Void Lords want is defeating each other, not realizing it might destroy them too. All that's going on on Azeroth now is due to those two fighting each other, and all the races picking sides and waging war. Even Sargeras and his Burning Legion are a result of a Titan being afraid that the Void Lords might win this war and thus decided to wipe the universe. Which explains why Elune is helping us defeat the Legion, but might also suggest that she's helping the void defeat them too.
I would really love it if she was this Hybrid entity, showing us the way of balance and peace. Because right now we have a "you're wrong, I'm right and there's nothing you can say to convince me" attitude and it's really bugging me tbh. Light and shadow are supposed to be equals, we need both order and chaos, what gives us the right to think our ways is superior?
Next expo we go to the moon.
Satchmo Omega alliance and the horse race to the moon :P
I'm quite certain Elune is both light and shadow, the master creator of the universe. I think the Night Elves have it pretty wrong on what she truly is. The Moon is a perfect representation of her however, the moon casts light unto the world, and where there is light there is shadow. Plus, the Moon has a dark side as well, and she gave Night Elves "Shadowmeld" take a hint there.
Elune seems highly likely to be the supreme creator of the universe, to have the ability to create a constellation merely to honor a dragon seems leaps and bounds above what we've seen from any other entities calling themselves deities. There's a great duality between light and dark, and you have to figure. When Ysera was blessed by Elune during that cinematic, there was an Eclipse. A literal amalgam of light and shadow, black as the darkest night and blinding as the brightest days.
So Cenarius looked like a night elf even before they "evolved" from the trolls?
PLOT HOLE
+Ulric Morningstar not exactly, night elves evolved from trolls to resemble elune's image and since cenarius is her son they resemble him too.
"Not an Old God, not a Naaru, not a spirit inside of Azeroth; the FRICKIN' MOON itself....!"
Nobbel, you made me immediately laugh after one of the saddest cinematics in WoW.
Elune is a Light Lord (counterpart to the Void Lords) that created the Naaru.
Her might turned Ysera into a star pattern in the sky or maybe even into a Naaru.
I speculate that will get to see her in the far future when we will have to fight the Void.
And that's typical for Warcraft: She's getting corrupted and we have to kill her with the help of A'dal.
Gebirges i hope she is a light lord.
Considering that Elune's power is greater at night would imply that she dont like sunlight. If thats the case, it would seem like the mother moon is some sort of dark beeing that embraced the light (like a reverse sargaras) but can't really hold the power directly like Naru.... can but she can reflect light just like the moon does. The only way Elune could "clense" Ysera druing her death is through a eqlipse for example.
So, for me Elune seems like a sister of Azeroth, the shadow/caretaker while she lies dorment inside the earth. Elune will look after anyone that protects her (azeroth). And trough the well of eternity ages ago Elune could finally contact and trust some of the younger races. Elune might even have influenced the Darktrolls to become nightelves in order for them to grant an affinity for the night, when her pressence and power is the strongest.
But yeah, all this is just a shoot in the dark....
Great videos as always Nobbel : ]
Totally thought you were going to talk about the history of /
I've always liked the idea of Elune being the light counterpart to the void lords, but like the void lords she can't physically manifest in this world so created the Naaru. Not sure how to explain Cenarius but quite possibly she could have found a way to enter the world that the void lords haven't.
Most likely this, but instead of 'intercourse' it was more essenses fusing to create Cenarius, or IVF (In vitro fertilization).
finally some ore on the best diety in wow!
i also misspelled deity, boy was i in a hurry to write not a whole lot
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@Nobbel87
I think Elune is more than a Titan or a Naaru, from what we know she's pretty much Sehanine Moonbow from the forgotten realms' setting of D&D.
Quoting Chris Metzen himself :
"My only real training before joining Blizzard was the long-running D&D campaign I had with my closest friends-Sam, Mike P., Daniel, and Mikey C. (you know who you are, boys…HAMRO!). Building ideas-vast worldscapes, characters, and plotlines with my friends was my first great love. I lived for it. It was a safe space amid the tension and change of some rough teenage years. The grand refuge of D&D was a glorious meeting of minds and imaginations where I felt I truly belonged."
Sooo, Sehanine/Elune what makes me say they're the same ?
They are both good elven deity.
They are both goddess of the moon.
They are both known to give visions and omens to their worshippers.
Sehanine is mainly worshipped by the "Moon Elves". Elune is mainly worshipped by the "Night Elves".
Sehanine's Tears is said to have given life to the elves when mixed with the blood of Corellon. Elune's Tears is one of the pillars of creation.
Sehanine watches over the passage of elven spirits from the world and is the protectress of the deads. Elune might have protected Ysera's spirit with the magical show when she died (maybe a bit far fetched but we do know of plenty of elvens spirits who can still call upon her powers)
Lastly, Sehanine's power is supposed to waxes and wanes in tune with the phases of the moon, a theme we can see too in the sister's of the moon bossfight in ToS.
Now with that in mind giving us a clue of where the man who wrote the lore came from and those similarities, i think Elune is the light's equivalent of the void lord, some kind of godlike entity made of light living in another dimension strongly limiting her ability to interact with the world. Maybe the only one "alive" maybe not (we do know there's multiple void lords so why not multiple light lords ?)
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Hey @Nobbel87 . Really love your videos, so thank you so much for all the awesome content that you give us. I am also really happy that you finally made a video on Elune, since I've had some speculation for a long time. "My" theory is, could Elune possibly be a Loa? Since the Loa is connected with trolls, and Night Elves are descendants of the dark trolls. We have also seen Loa's manifest into the physical world before (Hakkar and the Gurubashi trolls), which could in turn explain how Elune could have gotten Cenarius with Malorne. I know it's a stretch, but this is something I've thought could be the case for a long time.
I think Jaina is an Elune
No.
Elune is a being of balance between Light and Shadow.
heres something that has been bothering me and i have been wanting to discuss, maybe even have nobbel to share his opinion, in the image given to us by the wow chronicles book we see that the opposite of light is shadow or void and that lifes opposite is death but we also see that the opposite to fel is... arcane? i dont know about you guys but i havent seen no arcane mage cleansing corruption from the demons... unless... what if the light of elune is not light but arcane? what if the priesthood of elune's secret is not that they use holy light but something im calling right now "arcane light", arcane light used by the moonkin created by elune, it would explain the color difference of white/silver instead of yellow/gold of the holy light, it would explain why elune can cleanse the satyr form like in the enchanter's quest in azuna when i havent seen it happening with holy light and would fit the theory that elune is a titan as they do come from arcane!... just fuel for theorys, let me know what you guys think.
Opposite of fel.
Not counter to fel.
Life and death are two state's of being.
Light and dark are two parts of seeing.
Arcane and fel are two forms of magic.
In modern day religion:
Death is the absence of life.
Cold is the absence of heat.
Dark is the absence of light.
There is no darkness that doesnt flee from the light.
Basicly both side's cant be in the same place at the same time.
Personal i see the difference between arcane and fell like using a normal bomb vs a nuclear bomb.
Both get the job done but only one leaves the land uninhabitable.
And like real life people are far more interested in nuclear weaponry then the safe and reliable kind.
this is very accurate description , nice work mate.
Light is the highest tier
Arcane is the second from the light
Void is the highest tier
Fel is the second from the Void
Void corrupts and creates shadow beings
Fel are corrupt beings.
Light heals and creates pure beings
Arcane are pure beings.
Therefore Arcane is a down step from the light.
Therefore Fel is a down step from the Void.
Therefore both are the enemies of each other.
We have seen Fel use Void, but Void is older then Fel. We can say that Void created Fel. Both Void and Fel corrupt.
We have seen Arcane use the attributes of light, such as star fall. We can say that Light created Arcane Both Light and Arcane purify.
I think Elune is the closest think we'll get to "God" in this game. I know there have been multiple beings that have been seen as gods, but I mean there are a few tiers between shadow and the old gods on that map. When it comes to light, It just goes to from light to Naruu. Now we learn that she has made Naruu in the past? If she isn't a light lord, then she is at least the light's champion.
Don't know how the other races of Azeroth will take this, knowing their gods/idols are nothing but her soldiers or henchmen. Religion might be the next big reason for infighting between factions and maybe inside the factions themselves.
Is it a possibility that Elune is the one that creates world souls?
Titans appear to be the embodiment of the arcane. Perhaps, the sources of all magics began with individual beings. Void lords control shadow, Elune manifests arcane, Naruu command the light, etc.
Except Naaru was created by Elune. Would that not mean Elune is holy and not Arcane?
That could merely be a theory, though, couldn't it? Khadgar mentioned that he only had read it from an ancient tome (of course, Blizzard could have included that dialogue to be regarded as completely canon, but I'm not entirely sure). Should that be so, Elune very well could be the embodiment of the Light. Personally, I just really want there to be a physical manifestation of nature magic.
Elune (or Mu'sha, as she is called by the tauren) is the primary goddess of the night elf pantheon. She is associated with the larger of Azeroth's two moons, the White Lady, and is widely considered to be the mother of Cenarius, the forest lord and patron god of all druids. Elune is one of the few true deities of Azeroth.
Ah...Elune i voted for you...
Thank you illidan!
Ooh la la. I am very interested in mythical origion stories. The night elves are my favorite race. So a story of Night Elf origin is just the kind of thing for me. I am surprized they evolved from trolls. I like to have a whole video about the moon goddess of Elune. She has links to both nature and the light. Maybe this is why night elves can be both druids and priests. Elune gives night elves good stealth and shadowmeld ability. Mybe this is why nightelves can be rogues. Night elves can train warriors like other races. They are also good with archery and nature, so they become hunters. That accounts for all classes night elves can be in vanilla. They did add mage in cataclism. I found it wierd. I thought night elves hated the arcane, and even banished those practicing that. Blood elves on the other hand had access to the mage class since thier debut in burning crusade. It makes sense as blood elves are attached obsessivly to arcane magic. I like the idea of Elune being the titan inside Azeroth. Maybe this same titan is called the Earthmother by the tauren. It is deity inside the earth. So having some kind of mother earth aspect would make sense. It is cool that the moon goddess is linked to werewolves. Both have a strong affinity for the moon. I am very fond of worgen as well. Thier starting zone is my favorite questing area in the whole game. I am familiar with the story. The first worgan were renegade night elf druids, which developed the form of the wolf. Later the worgen bit the humans of Gilnaus. Then the humans become the kind of worgen that is playable. The worgen connect with the night elves, regain humanity and fight forsaken zombies. The story is so touching and so awesome. Now that I think of it, there are wargin in Gilnaus and Silverpine in northern part of Eastern Kingdoms. That is close to where the blood elves live. Maybe the night elf wargan went with the night elf mages in the exile. There are also Forsaken there too. THey are based on another human kingdom called Lorderon. Then the Scourge turned them into zombies. Sylvanas was a blood elf turned to a zombie. She revolted against the Scourge with zombies and formed the forsaken. I have just thought more about the worgen of Ginaus. They are wolf people. They live in the north. They put a wall on thier northern border to keep zombies out. They prefer to stay out of the politics of the mighty Stromwind Empire of the south. So in way, the worgen are a lot like the Starks, which is my favorite house in Game of Thrones. When I play a worgen in the starking zone, I like to think of jokes. The worgen silly emotes are hillarious. I like to add the joke "Let's build the wall and make the Forsaken pay for it". Now I can think of another joke for the first signs of Forsaken invasion. I can say "Winter is coming". Genn Greymane was good friends with Anduin Wyrnn. Maybe they are like Ned Stark and Robert Baratheon respectively. The story of Elune falling in love with a beautiful white stag to form dryads is odd. That does remind me of a Greek myth. It really does not make the Minoan people look good. The Minoans had a magnificent white bull. The king was supposed to sacrifice the bull to the deities. However he decided to keep him for himself. The deities gave a strange punishment. The king had a female relative. She fell in love with the white bull. She eventually bred with him. Then they had a horrible monster, called the Minotaur. After this origin story, the Minotaur was involved by the labrynth and Thesius. I wonder if there can be similar humanoid on cattle affairs and breeding. That could explain the origin of the Tauren. These kinds of shenanningans seem strange, but they happen all the time in folklore. The are called animal bridegroom stories or beauty and the beast stories. The minotaur origion story isn't even the only one in Greek mythology. There is also Europa and the Bull, and Leda and the Swan. What can I say? Zeus got around. The most touching in my opinion was Eros and Psyche. Apollo goes even further and messes with plants. The most famous is the Daphne affair which explains his fondness for laurel trees. I like to imagine animal bridegroom stories. My favorite scenario is hot woman on stallion action. I just have a wierd fondness for horses. Now that it think of it, it could explain the origin of centaurs. It could work for Greek mythology or WoW. Humans can't breed at all with other species in real life. The only possible exception I know of is neandrathals. Mixing is fantasy is odd. It could lead to some interesting designs for hybrid creatures.
Does Elune talk to us in the Ashenvale? I remember a mission to purify a Satiryr ...
This quest:
wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:He_Who_Would_Be_Forgiven
Yuri Moraes i hope elune will be revealed as a force to be reckoned with, i hope they don't make her whimpy, and i hope she is not some damn wind chime.
Thx for doing what you do, you are the reason that I got in to the lore!
Amen
Elune is probably something much more. Than light. To me it seems that Elune is the balance one of the few grey beings so to speak. Both light and shadow. Benevolent yet judgmental. Elune is probably the creator of the Naaru but also the void. Our one omnipotent being yet unable to act perhaps if she did the balance would break and so the universe.
I love learning the lore about the Warcraft franchise. Dragon aspects, Elune, and few others interest me the most.
What if Elune is another titan spirit that is in the moon ?
Doubt it. The Void Lords created the Old Gods to try to corrupt the Titan spirit. They almost corrupted a Titan inside its planet, before Sargeras cut it in half. Then he went and did his own thing. The other Titans found Azeroth and chained the Old Gods, to keep Azeroth clean from their corruption. They would have known that the Moon has a Titan spirit in it. They could always tell if planets contained a Titan's spirit. Elune is the opposite of the Void Lords, hence she was there when the Void Lords where there.
Following Nobbels idea about Elune being the Titan spirit inside Azeroth I got a idea, yes Elune is the Titan spirit and she has at least partially awoken but cannot use her powers to her full extent......yet. She uses the moon as a sort of focus or gate to allow her to use her powers to aid the mortals in fighting all powers that would corrupt or harm them whilst also helping her priestesses whom with this theory are basically a TITAN'S workers. Think of it like a wand or staff that most wizards/mages use to channel and focus. This would explain at least to a degree why all her powers are in some way linked to the moon.
Does the eastern kingdoms continent have a real name? Because before wc3 they weren't really east of anything known, so how can they be the eastern kingdoms?
Jonah Marx they were all of arezoth
eastern kingdoms is not a single continent actually, it's 3 sub-continents with small connections with each other.
southern part is called azeroth it spans territory from stranglethorn to searing gorge, middle part is called khaz-modan and it spans territories from badlands to wetlands and northernmost part is called lordaeron and it spans everything else.
Finally video what i have waited for :) Thank u dear nobbel
Elune is a Dreadlord (kek)
Why must you make me relive that painful heart wrenching video
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fuck yeah, the nightwatchers ! One of the night watch team
Finally, a video that goes back to detail the lore of WoW instead of talking about mount quests and weapon quests.
Lore on gladiators longbow please
Lemon Jew why? Its a gladiator's longbow
One thing I noticed about the Ordering of the Cosmos diagram is on the Void it shows Voidlords and Old Gods. Where Voidlords are between the Void and the physical plane, there's nothing shown between the physical plane and the Light. It seems reasonable to assume Elune is the embodiment of Light as Voidlords embody darkness. She can grant power to others along with letting others draw power and potentially created the Naaru as speculated, like how Shadow Priests draw power from the Void and the Voidlords created the Old Gods.
However, like Naaru and Void gods, Elune may have a dark side. Maybe her Light form is Elune but her Void side is a creature like Dimensius.
Elune is nothing more than a night elf loa
She seems to be much more powerful than a loa..
well, we can thank the well of eternity for that
She is a loa that drank of the blood of the most powerful titan (azeroth), makes sense that she is the most powerful loa
Bryan Krager Then Cenarius wouldnt be a demi god. He would just be a Wild god
Wild god is still a god mate, Cenarius gets his Demi god from father, not mother
Elune is the light counterpart (either the only one or one of) to the void lords, likely unable to be able to manifest into the physical world like the void lords, she created the naaru (x'era explicitly states this) which are the closest counterparts to the old golds. This is the retconned lore and since its from legion it would supersede any evidence to elune being a titan or wild god or anything else the game implies throughout previous expansions.
I think Elune is a "primordial" one. A manifestation of the consciousness of the energy into the first matters that took form. I suspect elune as being one of the first consciouss being that formed from the chaos of the "Universe".
It seems like what Elune is, has not been really consistent or definitive throughout Warcraft. Maybe the nightelves mistook the slumbering titan as Elune and their faith and reverence gave them a connection to the light.
I just had this idea come to me while watching your video. What if Elune is Azeroth's subconscious or dreamlike state?
Dude! You should make a video comparing what the classes can do on the lore and what they do ingame. Seeing how divergent the game is or not from what the World of Warcraft really is would be really cool! Ex.: can characters on the lore cast heals as quickly and as effectively as we do ingame?
I got thinking about Elune as well the other day, great video answering my curious mind Nobbel. If you or anyone else would be interested, I posted a video from the Ashenvale questline that involves cleansing Avrus with a Moon Stone where a voice from the well talks to players, and I have no other person to assume but it being Elunes voice. Is it really players only real encounter with Elune? I believe so.
The whole thing with Ysera makes me cry every time. I also suspect Elune may be the titan within Azeroth.
You have the most amazing "Hello everyone" I've heard, honestly :v
There are two problems with Elune
1. It's only the moon - the sun outranks the moon as the sun is the true source of Light, the moon merely refelcts it. Where is a proper sun god in WoW?
2. Azeroth has two moons - Mu'sha and An'she are the eyes of hte Earth mother then what is the blue child? Why is there so littel mention of it? Is the blue child also Elune or the daughter of Elune or what exactly?
Mu'sha and An'she being the eyes of the earth mother is what the Tauren believe them to be, so really, it is just the tauren names for the Sun and the moon. And, the blue child is the smaller one of the two moons (the larger one is Mu'sha/The White Lady, and the smaller moon is The Blue Child)
Listen to the singing when Ysera dies! It's singing "Queen Azsharaaaa" - at like 13:00
Not quiet but search for nightsong there are a few with the lyrics
elunes not a dread lord, I do however think dreadlords will be coming as a future race later on. I think we will have an expansion with both moons where we land on the moon and probably meet elune. I am sure we are going to be continueing there soon after. there some bad ass dark troll still alive out probably that wants to kill elune who knows.
what if elune is the mother of the light and shadow, she has the powers to make creatures slip into shadows, maybe she has a dark side too but keeps it balanced, and helps us face the old goods and the legion , maybe thats why sargeras can't come and destroy us with one swing of the sword
Nobbel summoned the powers of feels with the Ysera Cinematic.
Elune is most likely Eonar the life binding titan. She gave freya the keeper her nature powers, created the emerald dream and was the titan that cared for the well of eternity before sargeras destroyed her physical form. Her soul has been hiding on the planet Elunaria. Now that’s a hint if I ever seen one from the writers.
I'ma guess that they are the light version of void lords and they made everything in that circle. the talking through the well either means the spirit inside is a minion of her, elune talks to it, or elune used the well as a portal to talk through. I can see them doing a thing where elune was healing the spirit of azeroth. Maybe couldn't do it fully but enough and the old gods being a virus trying to get it sick again.
This one was just fantastic.
Well done, Nobbel.
I always found Elune interesting, because it's the one entity in Warcraft that Blizzard has officially referred to as a 'God'. Most others with that title have misnomers such as Old God or Wild God, and none besides Elune have shown powers equal to a true deity. Not sure what she'll end up being, but my guess is either the greater the force of light behind the Naaru (as you suggested Nobbel) or possibly the spirit of the moon. It would be so simple, having her be exactly the thing she's claimed to be. She could be something of a minor titan spirit, akin to Azeroth, but unique from all the others in how she interacts with the universe.
Elune is probably the titan inside Azeroth. Considering that the guy who turned into diamond by the titan inside Azeroth said it was a she and it would fit with the pillars of creation and the ability to create the Na'aru.
Goddess Elune took Ysera's soul into the heavens by her side. Simple as that. That cenematic made me cry... Only because I loved Ysera as she was to me the 'Mother of all Druids'. And I love druids, one of my favorite classes; and Ysera was my fave aspect. Fuck Blizz for killing her off. She had fans. And no. it wasnt the 'MOON'. baka... It was Elune herself.
"Before life began and before even the universe existed, there was only the Light. The Light existed as a boundless sea of living energy, swelling across all of existence, unfettered by time and space. Yet as the ever-shifting sea expanded, pockets of cold nothingness appeared. From these spaces, the Void coalesced. The Void quickly grew and began to move against the Light, and before long, the mounting tension between the two forces ignited a series of explosions that ruptured the very fabric of creation, giving birth to the physical universe.
The energies released from the clashing of Light and Void raged across the nascent cosmos, forming countless primordial worlds. For long epochs, the ever-expanding Great Dark Beyond broiled in a maelstrom of fire and magic. Shards of Light were flung throughout reality, suffusing worlds with the spark of life. Various types of energies came to be (such as death).
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The cataclysmic birth of the cosmos also flung shards of Light throughout reality. These shards suffused the matter of myriad worlds with the spark of life , giving rise to creatures of wondrous and terrible diversity.
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Occasionally, clouds of fractured light gathered and gave shape of beings of far greater power, of far greater potential. Among these were the naaru, benevolent creatures composed of scintillating holy energies. When they gazed out across the immeasurable universe, they saw a realm of limitless possibilities. The naaru vowed to use their mastery over holy magic to spread hope and nurture life wherever they could find it." (Chronicle 1)
The only explanation for Elune giving birth to th naaru, is her being the ocean of light. Since Azeroth is the last world soul, Elune probably decided to guard it from a moon. That's my theory. Now, Nobbel, let's contradict your theory: titans use arcane magic, not light.
WOW WAIT! Nobbel did you turn to the Horde?
If you did join the Horde then..
WELCOME, BROTHER!
i like the idea of Elune being the titan inside azeroth too but i think its more likely that elune is just a vague notion of light that is going to be pivotal in fighting the void lords (if we go that far)
Elune was heard by the night elves in the well of eternity, guiding Azeroth, and the tauren speak of elune as the right eye of the earthmother that she tore out when she saw her children turn to the dark whispers of the earth (the other eye being an'she, the sun). Elune was the eye of Eonar, watching over her and guiding her as she communed with Azeroth's healing wound, the Well of Eternity. Nobody said a Titan couldn't make a Naaru out of the first primordial fragments of light within the universe, bringing order to these fragments to form a single amalgam of light. Why not the lifebender, who'd have a vested interest in developing a counter to the void consuming all life.
When you rementioned that the night elves claimed that Cenarius was the child of Malorne and Elune at 10:42. I couldn't help but picture a bunch of night elves seeing Cenarius and just going: you're the child of Elune and Malorne. While Cenarius tried to reason with them and going: No, i'm the son of-, only to be interrupted by the night elves saying: nope you're the son of Elune and Malorne now
Edit: I think Nobbel inspired a new form of fanfiction at 14:40
ive been waiting for this for so long
Elune was not pregnant like a human with Cenarius. We are talking about an omnipotent God who could bring things into being because she wanted to. It was her love for Malorne that caused Cenarius's birth to occur. Maybe she had an earthly stag carry the child, think of Mary carrying Jesus. Elvin Mysticism :) As a NE Druid, I absolutely LOVE the story of Elune and the entire connection to the moon. And yea, Ysera.......real feels there....but the cinematic is gorgeous!!!! Well done on the video! LOVED IT!!!!
Apparently, according to the volume 2 of Warcrft Chronicles (as seen on the wowwiki), Elune is the source of all Light (light light and Holy Light) and she created the Naaru. So yeah. Also, she IS the moon, the moon is her form as we percieve it from the surface of Azeroth.
What if Elune created both light and void? In lore she likes peace but she also likes war. I bet xera knows but doesn’t want to mention it because as in the thousand year war audio the light is blinded in their own beliefs and the void is the same way
Another amazing video Mr. Nobbel... A simple thank you from me!