Would love to see you dissect some Mars Volta. Juan is a monster player. Day of the Baphomets really shows off his chops. If you like odd time signatures, interesting meters, complex song structures, world influenced music. They are worth checking out.
You need to check out their song "The Sky Moves Sideways Phase 1", there is a really cool part in that song with AWESOME bassplaying, like, omega funky and groovy.
Thank you for opening with the accolades for Colin. I think he goes underappreciated and understated in general, especially in the news / media from PT since this new album. Very little mention of him, all shrouded in mystery, etc. Kind of a sad unspoken departure.
“Hatesong” off Porcupine Tree’s 2000 release Lightbulb Sun might be what you are looking for. Delicate buttery bass line with forward momentum and purpose. 8 min tune that lives on top of Colin’s performance. There are some great mid 2000s live shots on YT. Thanks for the great breakdown, this was a real treat.
A magnificent comeback by them. This song is so groovy, i liked his tone but OMG GAVIN IS UBELIEVABLE!!! Gavin's drumming is so delicious to hear that becomes obscene, it's pure eargasm!!!
@@abhinav1690 jealous! Can't do anything since I live INDIA. Porcupine Tree is one of those bands that somehow sounds so better live! I wish I could live your experience 😭
@@kunalkumar8217 I feel you brother. It was a once in a lifetime experience for me as well. I might share the videos I have on my channel. Be on a lookout just in case
Super hype to see this in my sub box and I really agree with your intro! Sad my fav member of the band was not a part of this new album. His moments on the live dvds are my favorite, so much finesse and always having a great time!
Colin's tone i think can be mostly attributed to him playing a fretless on almost every PT album he appeared on. It's also worth mentioning that the more "flashy" basslines (in PT terms) as late as Deadwing were usually played by Steven. Both are great players!
Dude... That whole album is _amazing._ A true masterpiece. I was a bit sceptical /cynical, last year, when it came out. Thinking that possibly, like quite some other bands i could mention, after a long hiatus they recorded a new album, mostly to make some money, but their heart and soul wouldn't really be in it. And also, talking specifically about PT, The Incident was such an awsome masterpiece (too), on a par with, say, The Dark Side of the Moon, and would have been an really impressive crowning achievement if PT's career had ended there. So yeah, i wasn't immideately convinced about the CC album. But _boy_ was i wrong!! 😵 Also, that then mayde me wonder what Mr Wilson had been up to in the intervening 11 years. And so i 'discovered' his solo work and collaborations. Also really, really fantastic stuff there. 👍
@@LowEndUniversitynice!!!!! How about something from the album “Aquarius” some solid basslines! It’s not Conner on bass yet on this album but great basslines!!
Yeah, just lacked a little definition. Super scooped. I could absolutely see why it was a creative decision the more the song went on. I think it was just right out of the gate, isolated - sort of caught me off guard.
@@LowEndUniversity "I could absolutely see why it was a creative decision the more the song went on" yeah the whole slapback delay on the vocals and general sorta "subway station reverby" sound is definitely part of that sorta motif, but I agree it's not my favorite tone
This raw sound is only in the steudio version, the one on the album has more processing. I guess it´s because they wanted to show precisely the raw cut.
You asked about pre In Absentia and the first song I thought of was Hatesong off of their Lightbulb Sun record. It's got a fairly simple, yet effective, bassline. Lightbulb Sun was released just before In Absentia when Gavin Harrison joined and there was a pretty noticeable shift in their sound, but I dig a lot of the older Porcupine Tree catalog as well as the new. It highlights what you said about Steven Wilson being a "progressive" musician: always looking to add and experiment with new sonic ideas.
Diablo chords ❤ I saw them playing this song live last summer. It's so complicated, so profond writing, I have to be alone and in peace to really appreciate their music.
The really cool thing about these AIR Sessions is there are many more videos with each musician describing the making of this. They answer all of the questions that you have and address the issues that you raise.
oh, and if you want an early Steven Wilson Bass line, check out his "other" group No-Man, with the iconic Mick Karn on Bass, the track "Sweetheart Raw" from 1993.
I enjoyed your analysis of this track. Gavin really is incredible at what he does. I find C/C to be a very dynamic record in terms of songwriting and production. It wasn't at all what I would've expected from a PT comeback, it defied and exceeded my expectations. I think it's up there with In Absentia as one of their greatest works.
Loving your approach to videos. Thanks for em! ...you mentioned Meshuggah, bassist is never highlighted by them. Any Dick Lövgren videos worth reacting to would be new to me!
Absolutely agree on Colin's. I love this song but honestly Colin is a way much better bass player than Steven, Colin have such a tasteful and precise way to approach the bass lines on the songs
Comprehensive analysis LEU. Impressive and enjoyable - and educational. Would love to hear your take on Vermilion Core from Stevens 2018 Home Invasion Live at the Royal Albert DVD - if you are looking for the chance to dissect interesting bass lines... Keep up the good work!
I’ve always had a hard time getting into them idk why I do love the song “anesthetize” this bass tone definitely could have been different, there’s something about a guitar player coming in and writing the bassline that I can grab on to, maybe because there’s simply no bass player thinking as a bass player, the bass tone and bassline would have been way different had Colin been involved in this, and he was just super cool in his performances
Totally agree regarding Colin. Thought it was kind of messed up that they didn’t reach out to bring him on. But all gravy I guess, the album is choice. Bass would have been better with Colin no doubt.
I prefer Nate Navarro's tone on the live versions of this I've heard. But then again, seeing someone I've followed on youtube for years playing it may make me slightly biased heh :)
Steven describes an "incident" (no pun intended) after the last show of the previous tour between two on the band members, and the rumor is that Colin was one of them. Thay may be why he's not involved.
If Liam Neesom were a drummer.. Ha! The basic groove sounds a bit like the drive from Pete Townsend's Give Love in 5/4. Not the same only similar. Neil Peart is the King of grooved odd time signatures. This guy is good too. 👍 Bass kudos bro!
The live video of Harridan from last years tour is on UA-cam now. Nate Navarro is on bass Randy McStine on guitar and everything is superior to this version.
I think the purpose of this studio recording was to just basically give an idea of how they are they sound when they are recording these songs. Like there is 0 to none refinement or production done on any instruments. Absolutely none. All of the sound you're hearing is almost raw and in as-it-is quality. So I can understand you feeling frustrated with that less produced and engineered sound but that's the point of this video. If you want a more refined you should check out their live performance or the record track. I think this comment might put a bit more perspective. Loved your whole analysis throughout the video and also shared a dislike for colin not being involved. Looking forward for more Porcupine Tree! Love❤
I'm in total agreement with you about Colin Edwards. What the scattery info led me to believe is Stephen didn't feel enough that Colin wanted to be in the band (read, didn't kiss Stephen's ass enough?) Let's not assume ego doesn't enter in, Stephen is so accomplished he might get huffy at times!) I think the absence of Colin is a mark against Stephen. But what does he have to care? I'm not happy with this.
Colin did not join in because Steven never told him he'd been already jamming with Gavin and Richard. And then one day Steven just let Colin know (via e-mail or text message) that a new PT album had already been recorded without him. Steven also asked Colin if he would go on tour and Colin's response was like: "well, mate, thanks but no, thanks".
I don't really like Harridan, but this was interesting. I also couldn't get over Colin being left out, so I avoided the album for ages. Eventually I wanted to check it out but couldn't find it on standard black vinyl at that time... so I just moved on. I must check it out one day.
Technically, yes...but it's sort of become a nomenclature to call heavily-technical, virtuostic music "prog", where as "progressive" could really mean anything forward-thinking and boundary-breaking, musically. If a hip-hop artist did really innovative stuff, it would be "progressive" in nature, but most wouldn't refer to them as a "prog hip-hop artist". This is partially subjective, but I've heard debates like this for years and years in music circles.
Totally agree with you about Colin. Such a fabulous bassist. Soooooo cool
DEFINITELY should check out Hatesong. There’s a great live performance, Gavin goes absolutely wild. Colin has a great bass groove in it as well.
Whole album is such a joy
F'n A
Would love to see you dissect some Mars Volta. Juan is a monster player. Day of the Baphomets really shows off his chops. If you like odd time signatures, interesting meters, complex song structures, world influenced music. They are worth checking out.
Jon Theodore's drumming is also insane.
One of the best concerts I ever saw was their opening tour with A Perfect Circle 🎉
Gavin Harrison is amazing
You need to check out their song "The Sky Moves Sideways Phase 1", there is a really cool part in that song with AWESOME bassplaying, like, omega funky and groovy.
Gavin Harrison is AMAZING.
BUTTERY ROLLS!
He is a wizard
Thank you for opening with the accolades for Colin. I think he goes underappreciated and understated in general, especially in the news / media from PT since this new album. Very little mention of him, all shrouded in mystery, etc. Kind of a sad unspoken departure.
“Hatesong” off Porcupine Tree’s 2000 release Lightbulb Sun might be what you are looking for. Delicate buttery bass line with forward momentum and purpose. 8 min tune that lives on top of Colin’s performance. There are some great mid 2000s live shots on YT.
Thanks for the great breakdown, this was a real treat.
Hatesong is one of my top 3 PT songs
A magnificent comeback by them. This song is so groovy, i liked his tone but OMG GAVIN IS UBELIEVABLE!!! Gavin's drumming is so delicious to hear that becomes obscene, it's pure eargasm!!!
Trying to fathom how this is the first I'm hearing of these guys.... What a Mind f*ck....thanks.
Porcupine Tree is Awesome! You are definitely in for a great ride. Welcome to the club man!
@@kunalkumar8217 Saw them live in Oberhausen. They somehow sound better live. Insane!
@@abhinav1690 jealous! Can't do anything since I live INDIA. Porcupine Tree is one of those bands that somehow sounds so better live! I wish I could live your experience 😭
@@kunalkumar8217 I feel you brother. It was a once in a lifetime experience for me as well. I might share the videos I have on my channel. Be on a lookout just in case
@@abhinav1690 for sure man! Thanks!
Super hype to see this in my sub box and I really agree with your intro! Sad my fav member of the band was not a part of this new album. His moments on the live dvds are my favorite, so much finesse and always having a great time!
Agreed!
Their live video is coming out soon, with the mighty Nate Navarro on bass
The live version of Harridan is already released. As is fear of a blank planet from the same tour.
Colin's tone i think can be mostly attributed to him playing a fretless on almost every PT album he appeared on. It's also worth mentioning that the more "flashy" basslines (in PT terms) as late as Deadwing were usually played by Steven. Both are great players!
Dude... That whole album is _amazing._ A true masterpiece. I was a bit sceptical /cynical, last year, when it came out. Thinking that possibly, like quite some other bands i could mention, after a long hiatus they recorded a new album, mostly to make some money, but their heart and soul wouldn't really be in it. And also, talking specifically about PT, The Incident was such an awsome masterpiece (too), on a par with, say, The Dark Side of the Moon, and would have been an really impressive crowning achievement if PT's career had ended there. So yeah, i wasn't immideately convinced about the CC album. But _boy_ was i wrong!! 😵
Also, that then mayde me wonder what Mr Wilson had been up to in the intervening 11 years. And so i 'discovered' his solo work and collaborations. Also really, really fantastic stuff there. 👍
You should do a haken reaction at some point, would love to see that
"Carousel" is coming next week!
@@LowEndUniversitynice!!!!! How about something from the album “Aquarius” some solid basslines! It’s not Conner on bass yet on this album but great basslines!!
I love his new song Beautiful Scarecrow.
If you haven't heard Richard Barbieri's solo stuff... i'ts pretty cool, unique soundscapes/;
you should definitely listen to the final mix on this one- this is a studio take and the drums have subtle changes in that version
Floppy was the word that came to my mind regarding the bass tone.
Yeah, just lacked a little definition. Super scooped. I could absolutely see why it was a creative decision the more the song went on. I think it was just right out of the gate, isolated - sort of caught me off guard.
@@LowEndUniversity "I could absolutely see why it was a creative decision the more the song went on" yeah the whole slapback delay on the vocals and general sorta "subway station reverby" sound is definitely part of that sorta motif, but I agree it's not my favorite tone
This raw sound is only in the steudio version, the one on the album has more processing. I guess it´s because they wanted to show precisely the raw cut.
Fair! I did open this one on Spotify afterward, and agree.
That's good stuff! It's rare to find aggressive pick players like that in prog jazz like this. Great tone.
It grew on me the more I heard the song - just really used to the sound on their older records. Ha!
It's closer to the bite you hear in Nick Beggs' tone on Wilson's solo records. Colin preferred a darker, smoother tone.
I’m always amazed how well you can pick out those time signatures
Fun fact: Gavin admitted that it was actually Steven who came up with the drum parts for Sound of Muzak, using a drum machine
Yes!!! So excited! Curious what you have to say about Steven’s composition and new low end performance duties.
You asked about pre In Absentia and the first song I thought of was Hatesong off of their Lightbulb Sun record. It's got a fairly simple, yet effective, bassline.
Lightbulb Sun was released just before In Absentia when Gavin Harrison joined and there was a pretty noticeable shift in their sound, but I dig a lot of the older Porcupine Tree catalog as well as the new. It highlights what you said about Steven Wilson being a "progressive" musician: always looking to add and experiment with new sonic ideas.
This was the first song that came to mind as well.
Totally missed an opportunity to review Nathan Navarro on this track. Definitely a master player and tone connoisseur
Diablo chords ❤ I saw them playing this song live last summer. It's so complicated, so profond writing, I have to be alone and in peace to really appreciate their music.
This song is perfect! I love it
The really cool thing about these AIR Sessions is there are many more videos with each musician describing the making of this. They answer all of the questions that you have and address the issues that you raise.
oh, and if you want an early Steven Wilson Bass line, check out his "other" group No-Man, with the iconic Mick Karn on Bass, the track "Sweetheart Raw" from 1993.
Diablo II chord. I DO know. One of the greatest guitar performances is in Blood Moor, in my opinion!
"If you know you know"
YES.
Definitely :)
I enjoyed your analysis of this track. Gavin really is incredible at what he does. I find C/C to be a very dynamic record in terms of songwriting and production. It wasn't at all what I would've expected from a PT comeback, it defied and exceeded my expectations. I think it's up there with In Absentia as one of their greatest works.
Loving your approach to videos. Thanks for em! ...you mentioned Meshuggah, bassist is never highlighted by them. Any Dick Lövgren videos worth reacting to would be new to me!
Absolutely agree on Colin's. I love this song but honestly Colin is a way much better bass player than Steven, Colin have such a tasteful and precise way to approach the bass lines on the songs
The chorus chords and rhythm reminds me of Chili Peppers' "Warped" and Rush's "Dreamline"
Comprehensive analysis LEU. Impressive and enjoyable - and educational. Would love to hear your take on Vermilion Core from Stevens 2018 Home Invasion Live at the Royal Albert DVD - if you are looking for the chance to dissect interesting bass lines...
Keep up the good work!
2:02 "I've never seen Steven play the bass"
Please check he playing bass on home invasion live
Cool! Must have missed that.
blackest eyes and trains.. guy must be a hardcore ptree fan.
Puuuuure narcotic
Steven Wilson is a real genius 🙏😉
You’ll enjoy next week’s video, then!
There's sections of that song that reminded me of Tool, kind of surprised at that
I’ve always had a hard time getting into them idk why I do love the song “anesthetize” this bass tone definitely could have been different, there’s something about a guitar player coming in and writing the bassline that I can grab on to, maybe because there’s simply no bass player thinking as a bass player, the bass tone and bassline would have been way different had Colin been involved in this, and he was just super cool in his performances
Gavin is playing in 5/4 and 6/8 throughout.
live it was mind boggling
Totally agree regarding Colin. Thought it was kind of messed up that they didn’t reach out to bring him on. But all gravy I guess, the album is choice. Bass would have been better with Colin no doubt.
Diablo II Chord....Nice reference...! Maybe with a bit more reverb...
Old good school
Gavin is just.... I went to a Pineapple Thief show and was transfixed on him the whole time.
It sounds like a Jazz bass on the neck pickup - that's it.
Tony Franklin in Blue Muder!
He’s got that 100hz dropped
You gotta do forest Lapointe solus play through
I prefer Nate Navarro's tone on the live versions of this I've heard. But then again, seeing someone I've followed on youtube for years playing it may make me slightly biased heh :)
Lol glad to know I'm not the only one bugged by the sketchy way Colin was excluded. Still, good album from PT, glad to see you talk about it.
Steven describes an "incident" (no pun intended) after the last show of the previous tour between two on the band members, and the rumor is that Colin was one of them. Thay may be why he's not involved.
If Liam Neesom were a drummer.. Ha! The basic groove sounds a bit like the drive from Pete Townsend's Give Love in 5/4. Not the same only similar. Neil Peart is the King of grooved odd time signatures. This guy is good too. 👍
Bass kudos bro!
I was waiting for someone on youtube to dissect PT technically. Thank you. Keep up the good work!
Glad I could help! Appreciate you joining me!
you should do a video on colin if you have not.
Pt are amazing, you should check out Marillion fantastic band.
The live video of Harridan from last years tour is on UA-cam now. Nate Navarro is on bass Randy McStine on guitar and everything is superior to this version.
5/4
those are very African bikutsi esque on drums
I think the purpose of this studio recording was to just basically give an idea of how they are they sound when they are recording these songs. Like there is 0 to none refinement or production done on any instruments. Absolutely none. All of the sound you're hearing is almost raw and in as-it-is quality. So I can understand you feeling frustrated with that less produced and engineered sound but that's the point of this video. If you want a more refined you should check out their live performance or the record track. I think this comment might put a bit more perspective. Loved your whole analysis throughout the video and also shared a dislike for colin not being involved. Looking forward for more Porcupine Tree! Love❤
Gavin Harrison IS drums
I'm in total agreement with you about Colin Edwards. What the scattery info led me to believe is Stephen didn't feel enough that Colin wanted to be in the band (read, didn't kiss Stephen's ass enough?) Let's not assume ego doesn't enter in, Stephen is so accomplished he might get huffy at times!) I think the absence of Colin is a mark against Stephen. But what does he have to care? I'm not happy with this.
Nate Navarro?
Played bass on the tour; I was at the “hometown show”
Colin did not join in because Steven never told him he'd been already jamming with Gavin and Richard. And then one day Steven just let Colin know (via e-mail or text message) that a new PT album had already been recorded without him. Steven also asked Colin if he would go on tour and Colin's response was like: "well, mate, thanks but no, thanks".
Definitely a very tool centric style of group. Thanks for the introduction.. they sound superb.
You bet!
also it is missing vocal parts etc.
Phil Selway
I don't really like Harridan, but this was interesting. I also couldn't get over Colin being left out, so I avoided the album for ages. Eventually I wanted to check it out but couldn't find it on standard black vinyl at that time... so I just moved on. I must check it out one day.
Colin wasn’t interested in being involved. His loss
Isn't prog shorthand for progressive? lol
Technically, yes...but it's sort of become a nomenclature to call heavily-technical, virtuostic music "prog", where as "progressive" could really mean anything forward-thinking and boundary-breaking, musically. If a hip-hop artist did really innovative stuff, it would be "progressive" in nature, but most wouldn't refer to them as a "prog hip-hop artist". This is partially subjective, but I've heard debates like this for years and years in music circles.
Rkl, blocked out or in your mind. Thanks
Without Colin, it's not PT for me.
It’s tough, I loved his sound 😌
PT started as Wilson's bedroom project, so none of the other members are really the core of the band
Gavin Richard Harrison is God... 🤷
didnt even play a note wtf is this
I definitely did, my guy.
I'm salty about Collin and John Wesley. I love their music my 2nd favorite band. Steven is an egomaniac and his solo stuff SUCKS