A good point that Tom mentioned here. The drops of lube can easily fix leakers. A very good example are the Sig ASP rifles, as my MCX or Virtus. A few big drops of decent silicone oil into the rear of them every now and then will fix or just keep the rifle without leaks. A valve leak after a long time of storage? No problem. A few big drops and a few shots empty - and the leak is gone. Personal experience, cuz I love em often troublesome SIGs. For the 88g rifles a 12g cartridge adapter is a good aid. Just add the adapter tip first onto the rifle - it will keep the oil drops center of the piercing and co2 entry point. Then add the rest of the set for a quick internal lube job.
Tom AKA the god father is the smartest airgunner out there, Rick Eutsler is a no punch pulling facts not fluff air gun critic, And last but not lest Jim is one of the number one Air gun hunting air gunners out there. What a round table, would love to sit in on one of these round tables. The learning never stops in this sport of air gunning wow. American Air gunner is by far my favorite show. Its nice to have a show that is all about air guns and the sport as a hole. Best Regards Vermont Airgunner
Agree for NO SELF DEFENSE Co2 guns. Even my crosman dpms sbr full auto 400fps rifle could NOT be used as a self defense. Lack of power. My springer 22 pellet gun could not be used as a defense as its a singleshot. but Ill say yes to my 25 caliber 8 shot pcp benjamin marauder.
I'm a middle aged man who hasn't shot an air gun since I was a kid... who is now getting back into air guns to scratch the "trigger itch" because there's no ammo to be had in 2020. Thank you for this good intro!
I’m new to airguns and currently enjoying my break barrel Crosman. And yes, I’m late to this party, seeing that the video is from 2015. But I hope someone could answer my questions about CO2 and PCP: 1) if they both use gas, why aren’t they interchangeable? 2) Also, why is C02 cheaper, when PCP uses air (i.e. the regular air around us, composed of nitrogen, oxygen, co2, etc) while with CO2 you need to extract that specific gas, which is an extra step. Loving this round table series 🙂
A co2 air cylinder in meant to hold a constant pressure of around 800 psi. So if you were able to keep the pcp pressure at or below that, the. It will work. The difficulty comes with shot count. Since co2 is a liquid, it will self regulate to 800ish psi until the liquid co2 is gone. Giving you more shots. Air is just air and has no liquid to evaporated and maintain the pressure like co2 does. This is why an air cylinder for an Airgun holds close to 3000 psi (each cylinder is rated differently) to get a higher shot count. Bit of a rambling answer, but hope it makes sense.
@@americanairgunner It’s awesome to get an answer, and yes it does make sense. Co2 is easier to handle because it self regulates (being in liquid form), which is why it’s cheaper. But it stays at 800 psi which gives fewer shots than PCPs. I googled quite a bit on this question and never found an answer. Thank you ❤️. I hope everyone in the show/series is doing well. Cheers! 🙂
I have a crosman trapmaster 1100 Co2 air shotgun that is .380 bore, and it's a blast! I especially like reloading the shells with a single .36 caliber lead roundball and shooting those...i am in Canada and only shoot airguns the aren't considered regulated firearms and the trapmaster doesn't shoot over 500 fps, which is the line between un-regulated and regulated firearms, and I think it might be the most powerful AirGun that doesn't require a firearms license.
mmm anything over 500 fps or 2.4 pounds of muzzle energy is considered a firearm in canada. what suprise's me is when I bought my CANADIAN crosman 2289 it shot 17 grain pellets at 540 fps and around 2.4 ft pounds of energy lol... since then I've modified the hell out of it.... now it shoots 1600 fps at around 18 foot pounds lol and yes I have my pal for it..
Update , there are many large caliber 50cal, 68cal, co2 guns nowadays. Marketed as less than lethal defense guns. They are a ton of fun to shoot out in the woods with soft rubber balls. 350 to 450fps, the suckers are so big and slow you can see them in flight, like an arrow. They are surprisingly accurate and can lob a ball a long way predictably. I've several Umarex ball lobbers, they are markeked umder T4E (training for engagement). Inexpensive, reliable, safe, super fun but definitely not for unsupervised kids.
I enjoy listening you guys talk about air guns I love them I have two rifles and quite a few hand ones so I’m take CO2 some down to rifles or break barrels and I love those guns to find the shoot like he said 9 mm bullets are very Spencer pellets And BB guns are not that bad yet
home defence depends on the type of pellet, if i hit a burglar in the eye with a JSB predator polymag, or a metalmag or any pellet with a point on it i guarantee he will go down or hit him with a hollow point
Loved this episode! :) Own many different co2 pistols - therefore the subject was very interesting. Never woulda guessed the little drop of oil would have made so much of a difference. Many like hpa conversions so they could avoid co2 freezing. I own a Sig MCX co2 rifle. Many owners of the same airgun has said it to freeze and maybe even empty the whole co2 cartridge through the barrel. Dunno wtf they have done with their MCX - mine has never frosted. The big 88g cartridges might cool down a little bit - but the 12g (used with an adapter) is the only co2 cartridge that I have ever gotten actually cold (shooting indoors even). Maybe others try to simulate full-auto with the MCX? But, since it is not - I have mostly been shooting sniper-like longer distances with it, shooting for approx every 3rd second. No freezes, ever. Awaiting for to get my hands on the Crosman DPMS SBR full-auto - then we'll see what may freeze or not.. :D The BB magazine just might deplete before it freezes.. haha :D :D
Be careful with the Crosman Dpms BIG Warring that bb gun has a Killer Break in Period Meaning it gets more powerful over time 430 fps over time becomes 630/675 fps. and in hot weather it's a Monster Be Very Careful with it.
@@joseglenn4435 Will see. Had it for quite long time now. But I have not shot it that often cuz mainly shooting pistols. Also have two mags for the DPMS and switch between them.
I'm surprised the Crosman 160-167 aren't mentioned in this one. Or the 180 series either. I'm restoring/rebuilding a variant one Crosman 160 from the original 1955-56 model run on my Airgun Shooter Channel on here. It takes two-12g Co2 cartridges for many more shots @ 600-800fps in .22caliber. Great small game gun within 30-40 yards. With, say, a 3-9x32 duplex scope on it for some finesse shooting, it is great.
unionrdr...... Today's QB78 is the Chinese copy (with improvements over the original) of the Crosman 160/165 and its variants. I'm surprised that with the popularity and reputation of the QB series, that they didn't have a representation of it there..... probably because it conflicted with UMAREX marketing, and we sure wouldn't want that now... would we!?!.... especially when they're a sponsor of the show series. Politics!!! The Crosman 2260MB is also a great CO2 rifle these days, but not sure how much, if any.. better than the original 160 and its variants. I have four (4) variations of the QB78, the Crosman 2260MB (with mods) and the 2240 pistol that is now a carbine with 14" Walther/Lothar barrel, wood stock, trigger upgrade, reworked valve and port, and UTG scoped = Lots of Fun and very accurate.
I have an old air rifle I need to find parts for it a 1980s Olympic air rifle DIANA 75 my grandfather had during the Jurassic period .I think he used it to hunt prehistoric chitmunks
Hey guys, great videos. Just found your site. As a newbie looking for a long lasting plinker, which is better, a springer or a nitro? I don't like the idea of relying on CO2 cartridges. I'm not trying to stop home invasions, just want an inexpensive way to target shoot. You've probably covered this several times in your previous vids, so forgive my lack of knowledge (but I really dig your round-table and knowledgeable) discussions. Bottom line, gas or springer?
+fleabottom , the answer varies depending on who you ask, but if you were to watch our video on this topic, the consensus at the end was start with a springer. Watch it here: ua-cam.com/video/YlPylqmGWLo/v-deo.html
You guys, should offer you're opinions on the best guns out on the market for realism and accuracys as well. Lot of guns on the table but never gave a real rating on the situation.
Why does the cranking effort gets less with a gas rum air rifle over time; is it because there is some leakage, or ware on the mechanics of the piston??
Please excuse me...but I have a QB79 from archer airguns and Its a blast to shoot. Also , the SIG SAUER MCX and the MPX can be adopted to the 9oz paint bottle with the help of a small adopter. These 9 oz paint ball bottles are a lot cheaper then those stupid 88 gram bottles.
Fantastic episode! I've been doing a lot of work and research on CO2 airguns over the past 8 months. One gun I was really surprised not to see was the Crosman 2240. But the Hammerli Airmagnum made it so all is well. :-) I agree with the table, DO NOT use co2 airguns for home defense.
Mackbros24 Ohhhh.... I wouldn't say That. I have a well known (amongst big bore air gunners) .50 cal.... that I don't think you would want to stand in front of, when I squeeze the trigger and let loose with 336 gr. of lead....... I think it would totally mess up "your" (re: anyone's) day. Cheers.
2Stroke Diesel Power To be honest Airguns are extremely underestimated. So yeah it is good for home defense. I think I would use the 9mm version so I would have more shots just in case I missed.
Do they make self sealing CO2 cylinders for Airguns similar to Propane bottles? That way for example on 88gr CO2 such as the Hammerli air rifle uses, the bottle can be removed by just simply unscrewing so that you can use it later for future use.
If you get the 12 gram CO2 adapter for Hammerli air rifles you can unscrew it with CO2 left and it will stay sealed until the next time that you shoot.
no they dont.. although you can modify most co2 guns to use a"bulk fill" that is, using something like a 20oz painball co2 bottle that has a valve you can turn on/off with a hose leading into where the little co2 thing went. just lookup"co2 bulk fill kit"
These new pcp air rifles are devastating, I have taken 3 coyotes at 26-40-47 yards and had them drop like a stone!! Left ear to right eye and right ear to left eye, the Magic cross hair. This is with a 177 @ 900 FPS with a 10.5 gr pellet. There deadly. They would definitely penetrate a human scull. These are not toys. Like your vids,
No CO2 for self defense, ok forget the pellets and bb's, what about the 16 joules version of the Walther SG68? I can guarantee it hurts like hell. In Europe we don't have the right to use our hunting shotguns for home defense even if they are registered in full legality and we got the appropiate license.
Its just we are just seeking more power of pcp gun even we are just using ordinary break burrel and new technology co2 but its just more expensive when It apply to the market. The old days using black powder but the other side we dont let forget the ethanol alcohol its more effective than for that.. of we apply the ethanol Power to this gun we can add more Power and efficient. Rather than the co2. But we dont elliminate the standard Just innovate and add this ethanol to the hardrive of the gun.
I've left my airsoft guns in the Sun and had them valve lock my solution fire them they fail cocket fired again within about 2 to 4 times the gun is firing as normal
Well mine gun I left it the gas in it I try to take it out it’s Stuck in the gun but once I got it out I put a new cartridge in it then it leaked but then I had to spray some kind a looked oil on it let it sit then I started putting that red stuff on top of the cartridge and it took care of it but I can tear up your seal if you leave it in there full of gas is my dad
I'm sorry but you can absolutely use an airgun for home defense. It is no replacement for an actual firearm, but hear me out. First of all if someone is coming at you in your house, you are most likely in a room with no exit. You are going to be in a physical altercation no matter what. If you have a one shot rifle you can do some serious injury to the person giving you an advantage for when you get into hand to hand combat with the person. I challenge any one of you to successfully fight someone with a panned out pellet shot at 800-1000 fps stuck in your face, eye, neck, ect. Second if you have a semi-automatic BB gun or a fully automatic BB gun like I do, again I challenge any one to fight me with a face full of BBs. My BB gun will fire 8 BB in about a second in full auto. If it take that person 3-4 seconds to cross the room to get to me they are going to have to do so with a hail of 32+ BB traveling at 700FPS and at the very end at point black range where I can pretty much place the barrel of the gun at any place on that persons body. It would absolutely shred the neck and carotid/brachial arteries. It is very unlikely that you will kill someone immediately but they will be seriously injured. Especially if you hit their eyes, you now eliminate their vision, or blow a carotid artery, you now have blood spurting out of their neck prompting them to panic and flee to seek medical aid (which will get them caught-another point) giving you another leg up. Now this is in the event that you are in a house, in a room, with no exit. If you have the ability to flee, then that is your best option. but if you need to get into any physical confrontation, and don't have a gun, or can't get to your gun, I would most certainly use an airgun as a first strike weapon. Aim at their face, fire, hope you hit an eye, throw it behind you and get ready to fight. If you have a semiauto, use your nondominant hand to deflect and push and jam that sucker into his neck and pull pull pull. If he goes for the gun, there is no place on the gun with better grip than the grip you have on it yourself. If you run out of bullets you now have a blunt force weapon to use. If you drop or throw the gun and the suspect goes for your gun, you now have the perfect opportunity to run while he figures out how to reload and use it. A shot to the back while you are running is highly unlikely to be fatal and you can get some pretty good distance on him. It could change the outcome of life or death. Now if you are prepared, like a responsible person, ESPECIALLY if you have a family, and own real guns then this whole debate is worthless. Use the firearm. This scenario is in the case that you do not have a firearm. Which is in my opinion irresponsible if you have a family. It is a father/mothers duty and responsibility to protect their children. If you have a bad guy with a gun, you better have the same and protect your family.
a PCP multi shot air pistol like the Benjamin marauder air pistol could possibly stop an intruder with multiple .22cal pellet shots at 700+fps buy I wouldn't want to have to reload :(
+toneknob Trust me, the prod is not going to stop someone unless u snipe a surface artery, or get them in the eye. I wouldn't bet someones life on that. A *high power* .25 PCP preferably lever action or semi, could cause some serious harm and does penetrate well, but don't expect instant stopping power unless you get a headshot. Now a .45 or .50 cal PCP with some heavy hollowpoint slugs... that will blow a big whole through center body mass - although a semiauto powderburner still outclasses it. A .50 cal PCP would be akin to an old school blackpowder rifle.
I saw somewhere that that there making refillable CO2 cartridges .I also found a place to buy a helium tank for $20.00 dollars .im going to find a way to refill my CO2 with helium 'and see how it shoots
leakage is the one thing I was wondering about .but if it doesn't leak. it would be a very much stronger rifle .... helium unlike co2 isn't affected by temp. its very stable
if your interested in a cheep PCP that has everything 'and lots of power right out of the box .even 45 fpe then this is the rifle to check out .Umarex Gauntlet PCP Air Rifle, .25 Caliber....its less then $300 and regulated .I ordered one already cant Waite till it gets here
air guns can be deadly... and my moddified crosman 2289 is a killer. .22 cal at 1600 fps is probably just past what some .22 lr cant push. and I just need the velocity for a longer shot.. I kill the crows around here.. friggin pests.. only prob is they clued in, I was fine with my lil crosman 760 sub 500 fps crapper.. but now they hide 150 yards away when I come out.. oh ps I use a diabolo shape solid steel projectile I make myself.. they seem affective all the way to 200 yards..
If you had nothing use it better then nothing. If their in your house their going to hurt you either way. Yes it will work for self defense. If I take someone eye out they will be easier to fight after.
They may know a lot but they also tell the fluff not just the facts. The two of them for sure at this table have made a video about the sig mcx and mpx and did not included that they are just crappy guns and a waste of money.all they do is bregg things up and don't tell ya the flaw on them thanks for waisting my time and money on a product that don't perform the way it should. So I am gonna do my own reviews on a lot of air guns for you guys to get real results and answeres than the guys that make false claims on products so far sig should leave the air gun world they suck for air guns
A good point that Tom mentioned here. The drops of lube can easily fix leakers.
A very good example are the Sig ASP rifles, as my MCX or Virtus. A few big drops of decent silicone oil into the rear of them every now and then will fix or just keep the rifle without leaks. A valve leak after a long time of storage? No problem. A few big drops and a few shots empty - and the leak is gone. Personal experience, cuz I love em often troublesome SIGs. For the 88g rifles a 12g cartridge adapter is a good aid. Just add the adapter tip first onto the rifle - it will keep the oil drops center of the piercing and co2 entry point. Then add the rest of the set for a quick internal lube job.
Just found this channel. I must have been under a log or something. Best channel of its type in my searches.
WELCOME!!!
I think it's the only, all that knowledge in one room
Tom AKA the god father is the smartest airgunner out there, Rick Eutsler is a no punch pulling facts not fluff air gun critic, And last but not lest Jim is one of the number one Air gun hunting air gunners out there. What a round table, would love to sit in on one of these round tables. The learning never stops in this sport of air gunning wow. American Air gunner is by far my favorite show. Its nice to have a show that is all about air guns and the sport as a hole. Best Regards
Vermont Airgunner
Agree for NO SELF DEFENSE Co2 guns. Even my crosman dpms sbr full auto 400fps rifle could NOT be used as a self defense. Lack of power. My springer 22 pellet gun could not be used as a defense as its a singleshot. but Ill say yes to my 25 caliber 8 shot pcp benjamin marauder.
I have to Disagree with yiu on the DPMS. if yiu had it at least a year now go Crony it now you'll be Shocked.
I have a 357 5 round Benjamin bulldog and i sure trust it to self defense.
I'm a middle aged man who hasn't shot an air gun since I was a kid... who is now getting back into air guns to scratch the "trigger itch" because there's no ammo to be had in 2020. Thank you for this good intro!
I’m new to airguns and currently enjoying my break barrel Crosman. And yes, I’m late to this party, seeing that the video is from 2015. But I hope someone could answer my questions about CO2 and PCP:
1) if they both use gas, why aren’t they interchangeable?
2) Also, why is C02 cheaper, when PCP uses air (i.e. the regular air around us, composed of nitrogen, oxygen, co2, etc) while with CO2 you need to extract that specific gas, which is an extra step.
Loving this round table series 🙂
A co2 air cylinder in meant to hold a constant pressure of around 800 psi. So if you were able to keep the pcp pressure at or below that, the. It will work. The difficulty comes with shot count. Since co2 is a liquid, it will self regulate to 800ish psi until the liquid co2 is gone. Giving you more shots. Air is just air and has no liquid to evaporated and maintain the pressure like co2 does. This is why an air cylinder for an Airgun holds close to 3000 psi (each cylinder is rated differently) to get a higher shot count. Bit of a rambling answer, but hope it makes sense.
@@americanairgunner It’s awesome to get an answer, and yes it does make sense. Co2 is easier to handle because it self regulates (being in liquid form), which is why it’s cheaper. But it stays at 800 psi which gives fewer shots than PCPs. I googled quite a bit on this question and never found an answer. Thank you ❤️. I hope everyone in the show/series is doing well. Cheers! 🙂
I have a crosman trapmaster 1100 Co2 air shotgun that is .380 bore, and it's a blast! I especially like reloading the shells with a single .36 caliber lead roundball and shooting those...i am in Canada and only shoot airguns the aren't considered regulated firearms and the trapmaster doesn't shoot over 500 fps, which is the line between un-regulated and regulated firearms, and I think it might be the most powerful AirGun that doesn't require a firearms license.
mmm anything over 500 fps or 2.4 pounds of muzzle energy is considered a firearm in canada. what suprise's me is when I bought my CANADIAN crosman 2289 it shot 17 grain pellets at 540 fps and around 2.4 ft pounds of energy lol...
since then I've modified the hell out of it.... now it shoots 1600 fps at around 18 foot pounds lol and yes I have my pal for it..
Update , there are many large caliber 50cal, 68cal, co2 guns nowadays. Marketed as less than lethal defense guns. They are a ton of fun to shoot out in the woods with soft rubber balls. 350 to 450fps, the suckers are so big and slow you can see them in flight, like an arrow. They are surprisingly accurate and can lob a ball a long way predictably. I've several Umarex ball lobbers, they are markeked umder T4E (training for engagement). Inexpensive, reliable, safe, super fun but definitely not for unsupervised kids.
I enjoy listening you guys talk about air guns I love them I have two rifles and quite a few hand ones so I’m take CO2 some down to rifles or break barrels and I love those guns to find the shoot like he said 9 mm bullets are very Spencer pellets And BB guns are not that bad yet
home defence depends on the type of pellet, if i hit a burglar in the eye with a JSB predator polymag, or a metalmag or any pellet with a point on it i guarantee he will go down or hit him with a hollow point
pellgun oil = sae 30 weight non-detergent oil avail at walmart auto section.
Loved this episode! :)
Own many different co2 pistols - therefore the subject was very interesting. Never woulda guessed the little drop of oil would have made so much of a difference.
Many like hpa conversions so they could avoid co2 freezing. I own a Sig MCX co2 rifle. Many owners of the same airgun has said it to freeze and maybe even empty the whole co2 cartridge through the barrel. Dunno wtf they have done with their MCX - mine has never frosted. The big 88g cartridges might cool down a little bit - but the 12g (used with an adapter) is the only co2 cartridge that I have ever gotten actually cold (shooting indoors even). Maybe others try to simulate full-auto with the MCX? But, since it is not - I have mostly been shooting sniper-like longer distances with it, shooting for approx every 3rd second. No freezes, ever. Awaiting for to get my hands on the Crosman DPMS SBR full-auto - then we'll see what may freeze or not.. :D The BB magazine just might deplete before it freezes.. haha :D :D
Be careful with the Crosman Dpms BIG Warring
that bb gun has a Killer Break in Period
Meaning it gets more powerful over time
430 fps over time becomes 630/675 fps. and in hot weather it's a Monster
Be Very Careful with it.
@@joseglenn4435 Will see. Had it for quite long time now. But I have not shot it that often cuz mainly shooting pistols. Also have two mags for the DPMS and switch between them.
I'm surprised the Crosman 160-167 aren't mentioned in this one. Or the 180 series either. I'm restoring/rebuilding a variant one Crosman 160 from the original 1955-56 model run on my Airgun Shooter Channel on here. It takes two-12g Co2 cartridges for many more shots @ 600-800fps in .22caliber. Great small game gun within 30-40 yards. With, say, a 3-9x32 duplex scope on it for some finesse shooting, it is great.
unionrdr...... Today's QB78 is the Chinese copy (with improvements over the original) of the Crosman 160/165 and its variants. I'm surprised that with the popularity and reputation of the QB series, that they didn't have a representation of it there..... probably because it conflicted with UMAREX marketing, and we sure wouldn't want that now... would we!?!.... especially when they're a sponsor of the show series. Politics!!!
The Crosman 2260MB is also a great CO2 rifle these days, but not sure how much, if any.. better than the original 160 and its variants. I have four (4) variations of the QB78, the Crosman 2260MB (with mods) and the 2240 pistol that is now a carbine with 14" Walther/Lothar barrel, wood stock, trigger upgrade, reworked valve and port, and UTG scoped = Lots of Fun and very accurate.
Now that was a great show
glad you are back, have missed your videos.
I have an old air rifle I need to find parts for it a 1980s Olympic air rifle DIANA 75 my grandfather had during the Jurassic period .I think he used it to hunt prehistoric chitmunks
Hey guys, great videos. Just found your site. As a newbie looking for a long lasting plinker, which is better, a springer or a nitro? I don't like the idea of relying on CO2 cartridges. I'm not trying to stop home invasions, just want an inexpensive way to target shoot. You've probably covered this several times in your previous vids, so forgive my lack of knowledge (but I really dig your round-table and knowledgeable) discussions. Bottom line, gas or springer?
+fleabottom , the answer varies depending on who you ask, but if you were to watch our video on this topic, the consensus at the end was start with a springer. Watch it here: ua-cam.com/video/YlPylqmGWLo/v-deo.html
You guys, should offer you're opinions on the best guns out on the market for realism and accuracys as well. Lot of guns on the table but never gave a real rating on the situation.
Got a Dan Wesson 177 cal 8 pellets shots and a Beretta 92 20 BB shots. I dare anybody to stay in front of it and keep smiling...
it's great to see a video from you guys !
Why does the cranking effort gets less with a gas rum air rifle over time; is it because there is some leakage, or ware on the mechanics of the piston??
Great question? Perhaps a little gas does leak out, or the parts start to form and break in.
Please excuse me...but I have a QB79 from archer airguns and Its a blast to shoot. Also , the SIG SAUER MCX and the MPX can be adopted to the 9oz paint bottle with the help of a small adopter. These 9 oz paint ball bottles are a lot cheaper then those stupid 88 gram bottles.
How long can you store a Co2 gun empty . Haven’t shot mine in over a year
Should be good to go. Each gun will be different depending on the elements, temperature, materials, etc.. Hard to put an exact expectation on that.
The Byrna HD is a co2 teargas paintball gun. If you want co2 for defense this is the only option.
Wow, seeing how they know all the facts and knowledge about airguns, bet they live and breathe airguns. Much respect to you all.
I heard that Louis and Clark used an air rifle to hunt small game. I've heard that all my life The best of you and knowledge. Is this true or false?
Fantastic episode! I've been doing a lot of work and research on CO2 airguns over the past 8 months. One gun I was really surprised not to see was the Crosman 2240. But the Hammerli Airmagnum made it so all is well. :-)
I agree with the table, DO NOT use co2 airguns for home defense.
Ukelay13 Or any airgun for home defense.
Mackbros24 Ohhhh.... I wouldn't say That. I have a well known (amongst big bore air gunners) .50 cal.... that I don't think you would want to stand in front of, when I squeeze the trigger and let loose with 336 gr. of lead....... I think it would totally mess up "your" (re: anyone's) day.
Cheers.
2Stroke Diesel Power LOL. And if you miss you are dead. My 12 gauge does the trick.
Mackbros24 LOL...... I DON'T "Miss"..... and I ALWAYS, have fast "backup". : )
2Stroke Diesel Power To be honest Airguns are extremely underestimated. So yeah it is good for home defense. I think I would use the 9mm version so I would have more shots just in case I missed.
Good info....
Bwalton
Airgun Hunter Extreme Channel
Do they make self sealing CO2 cylinders for Airguns similar to Propane bottles? That way for example on 88gr CO2 such as the Hammerli air rifle uses, the bottle can be removed by just simply unscrewing so that you can use it later for future use.
there are like paintball type valves on some tanks. But Co2 is so cheap that there's no point, I just ordered a pack of 40 for $15 on amazon.
If you get the 12 gram CO2 adapter for Hammerli air rifles you can unscrew it with CO2 left and it will stay sealed until the next time that you shoot.
no they dont.. although you can modify most co2 guns to use a"bulk fill" that is, using something like a 20oz painball co2 bottle that has a valve you can turn on/off with a hose leading into where the little co2 thing went.
just lookup"co2 bulk fill kit"
How can they not include a 2240
what about using helium for airguns?
These new pcp air rifles are devastating, I have taken 3 coyotes at 26-40-47 yards and had them drop like a stone!! Left ear to right eye and right ear to left eye, the Magic cross hair. This is with a 177 @ 900 FPS with a 10.5 gr pellet. There deadly. They would definitely penetrate a human scull. These are not toys. Like your vids,
No CO2 for self defense, ok forget the pellets and bb's, what about the 16 joules version of the Walther SG68? I can guarantee it hurts like hell. In Europe we don't have the right to use our hunting shotguns for home defense even if they are registered in full legality and we got the appropiate license.
all a pellet gun is a paint ball gun, shooting pellets LMAO
not anymore!
@@americanairgunner Then why do we use paintball gun parts for? Tank ect
@@426superbee4 they're similar, but not same. Paintball takes 1200 psi...airgun takes 4500psi. internals are completely different.
Its just we are just seeking more power of pcp gun even we are just using ordinary break burrel and new technology co2 but its just more expensive when It apply to the market. The old days using black powder but the other side we dont let forget the ethanol alcohol its more effective than for that.. of we apply the ethanol Power to this gun we can add more Power and efficient. Rather than the co2. But we dont elliminate the standard Just innovate and add this ethanol to the hardrive of the gun.
Home defense PCP Benjamin bulldog 357
Nope
I've left my airsoft guns in the Sun and had them valve lock my solution fire them they fail cocket fired again within about 2 to 4 times the gun is firing as normal
still wanna find a .22 semi auto co2 pistol
you have to find a crosman 2210, or 78g.. both semi auto 22, both kinda rare now
The new Diana chaser co2 pistol takes magazines, they are bolt action repeater Co2 pistols, not semi-auto, but much better than single shot.
Webley vmx ,)
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Want about geen gas guns not co2 I have few Geen gas guns and they great but they pay up with cold water with my shooting
All of the PCP airguns use regular air. That is about as "green gas" as they come.
Well mine gun I left it the gas in it I try to take it out it’s Stuck in the gun but once I got it out I put a new cartridge in it then it leaked but then I had to spray some kind a looked oil on it let it sit then I started putting that red stuff on top of the cartridge and it took care of it but I can tear up your seal if you leave it in there full of gas is my dad
Pellgun oil same as Marvel Mystery Oil
I'm sorry but you can absolutely use an airgun for home defense. It is no replacement for an actual firearm, but hear me out. First of all if someone is coming at you in your house, you are most likely in a room with no exit. You are going to be in a physical altercation no matter what. If you have a one shot rifle you can do some serious injury to the person giving you an advantage for when you get into hand to hand combat with the person. I challenge any one of you to successfully fight someone with a panned out pellet shot at 800-1000 fps stuck in your face, eye, neck, ect. Second if you have a semi-automatic BB gun or a fully automatic BB gun like I do, again I challenge any one to fight me with a face full of BBs. My BB gun will fire 8 BB in about a second in full auto. If it take that person 3-4 seconds to cross the room to get to me they are going to have to do so with a hail of 32+ BB traveling at 700FPS and at the very end at point black range where I can pretty much place the barrel of the gun at any place on that persons body. It would absolutely shred the neck and carotid/brachial arteries. It is very unlikely that you will kill someone immediately but they will be seriously injured. Especially if you hit their eyes, you now eliminate their vision, or blow a carotid artery, you now have blood spurting out of their neck prompting them to panic and flee to seek medical aid (which will get them caught-another point) giving you another leg up. Now this is in the event that you are in a house, in a room, with no exit. If you have the ability to flee, then that is your best option. but if you need to get into any physical confrontation, and don't have a gun, or can't get to your gun, I would most certainly use an airgun as a first strike weapon. Aim at their face, fire, hope you hit an eye, throw it behind you and get ready to fight. If you have a semiauto, use your nondominant hand to deflect and push and jam that sucker into his neck and pull pull pull. If he goes for the gun, there is no place on the gun with better grip than the grip you have on it yourself. If you run out of bullets you now have a blunt force weapon to use. If you drop or throw the gun and the suspect goes for your gun, you now have the perfect opportunity to run while he figures out how to reload and use it. A shot to the back while you are running is highly unlikely to be fatal and you can get some pretty good distance on him. It could change the outcome of life or death.
Now if you are prepared, like a responsible person, ESPECIALLY if you have a family, and own real guns then this whole debate is worthless. Use the firearm. This scenario is in the case that you do not have a firearm. Which is in my opinion irresponsible if you have a family. It is a father/mothers duty and responsibility to protect their children. If you have a bad guy with a gun, you better have the same and protect your family.
+AFunnyGuy87 Shock and aww shit
a PCP multi shot air pistol like the Benjamin marauder air pistol could possibly stop an intruder with multiple .22cal pellet shots at 700+fps buy I wouldn't want to have to reload :(
+toneknob Trust me, the prod is not going to stop someone unless u snipe a surface artery, or get them in the eye. I wouldn't bet someones life on that.
A *high power* .25 PCP preferably lever action or semi, could cause some serious harm and does penetrate well, but don't expect instant stopping power unless you get a headshot. Now a .45 or .50 cal PCP with some heavy hollowpoint slugs... that will blow a big whole through center body mass - although a semiauto powderburner still outclasses it. A .50 cal PCP would be akin to an old school blackpowder rifle.
It is not worth the legal ramifications. Just have a bat and video camera handy. Also do not engage if they start to flee.
What about 1077 10 shots of 8ftlb to the face?
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I have to disagreed go for the face instant results.
I saw somewhere that that there making refillable CO2 cartridges .I also found a place to buy a helium tank for $20.00 dollars .im going to find a way to refill my CO2 with helium 'and see how it shoots
good luck with that.
it wont take luck just a good pump
no jus fill it to the normal 900 psi that's all a CO2 holds 'the difference is it gets about 60% more energy 'because helium is a thinner type f gas .
leakage is the one thing I was wondering about .but if it doesn't leak. it would be a very much stronger rifle .... helium unlike co2 isn't affected by temp. its very stable
if your interested in a cheep PCP that has everything 'and lots of power right out of the box .even 45 fpe then this is the rifle to check out .Umarex Gauntlet PCP Air Rifle, .25 Caliber....its less then $300 and regulated .I ordered one already cant Waite till it gets here
@5.12 shit just got real
air guns can be deadly... and my moddified crosman 2289 is a killer. .22 cal at 1600 fps is probably just past what some .22 lr cant push.
and I just need the velocity for a longer shot.. I kill the crows around here.. friggin pests.. only prob is they clued in, I was fine with my lil crosman 760 sub 500 fps crapper.. but now they hide 150 yards away when I come out..
oh ps I use a diabolo shape solid steel projectile I make myself.. they seem affective all the way to 200 yards..
A .22 lr pistol is pushing a 44 grain bullet at 138 fpe. Magnum airguns push 30 fpe.
If you had nothing use it better then nothing. If their in your house their going to hurt you either way. Yes it will work for self defense. If I take someone eye out they will be easier to fight after.
I have that rifle! =)
Absolutely love it. Use it for exterminating rats near the granary.
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They may know a lot but they also tell the fluff not just the facts. The two of them for sure at this table have made a video about the sig mcx and mpx and did not included that they are just crappy guns and a waste of money.all they do is bregg things up and don't tell ya the flaw on them thanks for waisting my time and money on a product that don't perform the way it should. So I am gonna do my own reviews on a lot of air guns for you guys to get real results and answeres than the guys that make false claims on products so far sig should leave the air gun world they suck for air guns