Thank you very much for this video on ancient Greek pronunciation. I am learning ancient Greek and therefore it was very helpful listening to someone pronouncing the letters correctly. On comparison, I found that I am on the right track. 11:28 a.m. (from Calcutta, India)
@@renataq4468 Thank you so much for your comment! I plan to have my next video out soon [edited - I originally set a date here but will have to get the video done when I can]. I have not forgotten the channel; I have just been very busy. I start full time work soon as well, so I am not sure how frequently I’ll be able to upload videos, but I shall try my best to get at least one video uploaded each month! This will be a long-term project :)
I’m armenian and I currently decided to learn ancient greek. Just wanted to thank you for explaining everything THIS good. Im definitely sticking to learning with your videos.!❤
Thank you, David! After many years of enjoying the Ancient Greek classics in English, I'm just beginning to attempt to learn Ancient Greek seriously, with the goal of hopefully someday sitting down with an Iliad and Odyssey in the original Ancient Greek and being able to make some sense of it. Once I figure those out, I'd love to read later works also, but one step at a time! I have some written sources but really needed to hear someone saying the words so I could hear them. Your video was extremely helpful. I've now subscribed to your channel and I'm looking forward to exploring more of your content. Thank you for making these videos!
You're welcome; thank you very much for your comment! :) I hope that you achieve your goal of reading the _Iliad_ and the _Odyssey_ in Greek, and I am happy to hear that you found the video helpful; I hope that you find my other videos similarly helpful. If you ever have a question about Greek, feel free to post it in the comments, and I should be able to help :) All the best!
My first inkling for Ancient Greek was awakened during senior year and the summer after high school graduation, and a visit to the Louvre and British Museum and their collections of artifacts from the Mediterranean region.
There is no way most of us can express our appreciation adequately-I'm a random person from India who after reading a Homer translation got inspired to read the original text and this paired with Pharr helps a lot
You can tell your manic /insane when at 1-2 am you decide, “I’m going to learn ancient greek” and start writing down the alphabet and practicing pronunciation with this lad. haha Good video 😁
What is helping me is: Flash cards with upper and lower case on front with letter name (and phonetic spelling if needed on the back with the sound(s) the letter makes with examples. In a small notebook I try to write the upper and lower case letters in order and make their sounds. If I can’t, I can use the flash cards. This helps me learn the letters, the alphabet order and makes sure I have the pronunciation right.
This is so helpful, thank you so much! I’m starting Ancient Greek next year at uni but figured I’d make a start over summer so this is incredibly useful for getting the pronunciation down!
I found beginning Ancient Greek Open Learn course last year and was fascinated by it. To find this will be really helpful in learning the pronunciation. I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.
Thank you so much,, I really wished to find someone explain ancient Greek simply thanks from Egypt ❤🇪🇬😍 I really still wish to be someone explain latin by simple way to be more easy for us
hi, hello! a student of ancient greek here. i don't know if this is just a different textbooks thing but i was taught to pronounce ζ as "dz" and not "zd". loved the video otherwise, actually taught me something new!
there are different traditions (reconstructions) of the phonetics of Ancient Greek. the one you were taught is of Erasmus who argued that Xi should be pronounced [dz]
Just starting on your video course - please keep producing these videos. I have been cruising the web looking for good resources, I am really happy to find an instructor who delivers crisply and doesn’t pfaff around. Good work!
Thank you for this series! I'm considering taking Ancient Greek as an elective and this will be very helpful to help me decide how I might fare with it. Cheers!
Thank you very much to help us start learning! I learned latin through Familia Romana a few years back, but I keep postponing learning greek. It sure is an intimidating and difficult language 😂
Thank you. They are great books. I primarily used "Reading Greek: Grammar and Exercises", "Reading Greek: Text and Vocabulary", and "Reading Greek: An Independent Study Guide" to learn Greek :)
Great Video! I just got a question about the pronunciation system you are using.. wich exactly do you use? your talked about using the ancient system, but I read that there is more then one (Erasmian, Early High Koine, Koine)
Well done! I just started Ancient Greek with Dr Ammon Hllman. Using the book Greek an Intensive Course. It may sound silly, I couldnt figure out how to apply the letters. My brain wanted to use the word- Alpha rather than A or a etc.. You cleared that up for me. On to the next video
Question, I’ve seen a number of sources show Beta as being pronounced more like a “V” sound or “vita”. Same question for Delta, ive heard that as “thelta” with a hard Th as in the. Is this a dialect difference? Just different versions of teaching? More romanized?
@@johnclark59 The pronunciation which you mention is for Modern Greek. In Modern Greek, beta is pronounced “v” and delta is pronounced as a hard “th”. I hope that helps :)
It would be great and informative to mention which one of the "proposed" reconstructed pronunciations you are using and also in which era of ancient Greek language (classical Attic, early koine, NT koine etc) because there are differences in pronunciation between them. Also the intonation in some words you refer to, doesn't follow the actual one, for example, in the word Socrates the intonation goes to alpha not to omega (Σωκράτης). Finally according to Plato (Plato, Kratylus 418c), already from late 5th century bc, "η" was pronounced as "ι", though in earlier times people used to pronounce it either as "ε" or as "ι" depending on their dialect they were using. Great effort in general though
Agreed! But from what I understand η was still pronounced [ɛː] in attica in the late 5th century and was still [e] in Koine period and didnt close to [i] till the Byzantine period. Could you explain how 418c says differently? I don’t see it but I may be missing something…
@@raederle9070 The pronunciation of η as ι or ε has to do with the place not the time. Both pronunciations co existed, even in Athens of 5th century bc. Plato gives the example of the word "ημέρα" and explains that some people (referring to women, i would add the "Μέτοικοι" also) were saying "εμέρα" probably because they used less formal language or dialect, given the lack of education for most of them, when others mainly the most educated used "ιμέρα". "iotacism" as it's called didn't happen in an exact date, but it was going back and forth from time to time for centuries. Also talking about Koine period, many linguists today, propose the modern or for others historical pronunciation at least for the NT Koine instead of any reconstructed one, as the closest one to the real thing.
@@kalliaspapaioannou7045 thanks for the clarification- I was reading (the short version) of Ben Kantor’s recent book on Koine pronunciation and he says ‘η’ was not yet ioticized and wouldn’t be till the late byzantine - BUT yes some regional caveats plus now I also seem to remember (Luke Ranieri?) talking about how these shifts were taking place in some areas and then Alexander the Great came along and pushed it all back to a more conservative ‘classical attic’ - my unscholarly turn of phrase :-)
Also, Η/η is a long e, as in encapsulate, enthrall, Ι/ι is never long unless it's toned properly cause that's usually what η is for. Χ/χ can change width depending on the vowel after it by the way. The X in "Χάνω" is pronounced as a taller and less wide consonant than the X in "Χοίρος".
Yes. For example: “At the time of the New Testament, it is probable that γ was pronounced as /ɣ, ʝ/ in most regional varieties of the Koine. The fricativization (and palatalization) of γ was a relatively early change in the consonantal system across the Mediterranean.” From Ben Kantor’s ‘A Short Guide to the Pronunciation of New Testament Greek’. I believe β and θ softened much later but soften they did.
When you say they use all caps in manuscripts and inscriptions, doesn't that cover just about everything? Where else could one write anything. They were either writing on paper (manuscripts) or etching stone (inscriptions), so effectively they wrote in caps all the time.
It's interesting the the Attic sounds so French in pronunciation, whereas the Koine sounds more Spanish. That is just my casual subjective interpretation of past experiences. Chi must be where the German comes in haha!
Yes, it does :) In this course, I am teaching Classical Greek, and Koine Greek is effectively a simpler version of Classical Greek. So, if you learn Classical Greek, then you will be able to read Koine, but this does not work the other way around. Note that Koine probably would have sounded slightly different to Classical Greek though, meaning that the pronunciation of Koine would likely be a bit different to that which I am using in the videos. I hope this helps!
I would like to invite you to our channel for a Podcast. It's mostly to translate ancient texts in ancient Greek, we mostly want to learn how to translate ancient bible texts.
What are your views on Dr. Ammon Hillman? Just watched a podcast with him and Danny Jones about the ancient Greek Ridings and the ancient Greek Bible before it was translated. It’s truly mind blowing when you realize just how many drugs they were doing back in the day and all the sexual degenerate practices.
Very good question! I mention that we lose the endings of some names in English at 28:03 in Lesson 7: Transliteration. I think that there are different reasons for this, depending on which name we are talking about. In the case of Plato, I believe the final “n” is lost because of how his name was transliterated into Latin. Latin often has names that end in -o in their nominative form, so “Plato” was more natural in Latin than “Platon”. And thus we know him in English as “Plato” rather than “Platon” :)
First of all there is no difference in ancient pronunciation and modern pronunciation and before you teach pronunciation you should learn how to pronounce the letters yourself otherwise the lessons are quite good
Excellent class--thank you!! Been learning through Ammon Hillman @@ladybabylon666 This is such a great addition to what I've learned!! Going to look to see if you speak with the pitch inflections!! I sing professionally, so would love to 'sing' Attic Greek!! 💜💜💜
@@lanadewilde9791 You’re welcome! Thank *you* very much for the Super Thanks! It is so kind of you and I greatly appreciate it :) Also, I unlocked the feature to receive Super Thanks quite recently, and you may like to know that you are the very first person to use the feature on my channel! Thanks again :)
Thank you very much for this video on ancient Greek pronunciation. I am learning ancient Greek and therefore it was very helpful listening to someone pronouncing the letters correctly. On comparison, I found that I am on the right track. 11:28 a.m. (from Calcutta, India)
You're welcome! I am very happy to hear that you found the video useful :)
Holy shit this is my dream. Thank you so much for making these videos! I can't wait to read ancient greek works in their native language!
Thank you very much! There will be more videos coming in August :)
@@LearnAncientGreek August is almost over, where are you? 😢
@@renataq4468 Thank you so much for your comment! I plan to have my next video out soon [edited - I originally set a date here but will have to get the video done when I can]. I have not forgotten the channel; I have just been very busy. I start full time work soon as well, so I am not sure how frequently I’ll be able to upload videos, but I shall try my best to get at least one video uploaded each month! This will be a long-term project :)
@@renataq4468 Sorry, it's going to be later than I expected, but I am now working on the next video! :)
@@LearnAncientGreekTake your time sir, I'll be patient in this journey. Thank you very much for your teachings sir.🛐✨
I’m armenian and I currently decided to learn ancient greek. Just wanted to thank you for explaining everything THIS good. Im definitely sticking to learning with your videos.!❤
Thank you, David! After many years of enjoying the Ancient Greek classics in English, I'm just beginning to attempt to learn Ancient Greek seriously, with the goal of hopefully someday sitting down with an Iliad and Odyssey in the original Ancient Greek and being able to make some sense of it. Once I figure those out, I'd love to read later works also, but one step at a time! I have some written sources but really needed to hear someone saying the words so I could hear them. Your video was extremely helpful. I've now subscribed to your channel and I'm looking forward to exploring more of your content. Thank you for making these videos!
You're welcome; thank you very much for your comment! :) I hope that you achieve your goal of reading the _Iliad_ and the _Odyssey_ in Greek, and I am happy to hear that you found the video helpful; I hope that you find my other videos similarly helpful. If you ever have a question about Greek, feel free to post it in the comments, and I should be able to help :) All the best!
It’s long been my dream to learn this language! Thank you for putting this course together!
My first inkling for Ancient Greek was awakened during senior year and the summer after high school graduation, and a visit to the Louvre and British Museum and their collections of artifacts from the Mediterranean region.
There is no way most of us can express our appreciation adequately-I'm a random person from India who after reading a Homer translation got inspired to read the original text and this paired with Pharr helps a lot
@@Red-vk4oy Thank you for your very kind comment. It’s brilliant that you got inspired like that! Keep following that inspiration :)
You can tell your manic /insane when at 1-2 am you decide, “I’m going to learn ancient greek” and start writing down the alphabet and practicing pronunciation with this lad. haha
Good video 😁
That doesn’t make you insane! Sounds like a fun night to me :) Thank you for your comment!
Nahh cause thats exactly what im doing rn (went to open university website, am currently on session 4 of ancient Greek), and its 5 : 30 rn
Its quite a normal gentleman thing to do
that's what I'm doing rn lmao, learning new languages this late at night is a stress response
It's not even 1 am for me. Just middle of the day insanity right before finals
What is helping me is:
Flash cards with upper and lower case on front with letter name (and phonetic spelling if needed on the back with the sound(s) the letter makes with examples.
In a small notebook I try to write the upper and lower case letters in order and make their sounds. If I can’t, I can use the flash cards.
This helps me learn the letters, the alphabet order and makes sure I have the pronunciation right.
Good material. I did not find any Ancient Greek lessons in Polish language, so during these videos I learn Greek and English together 😀👍
This is so helpful, thank you so much! I’m starting Ancient Greek next year at uni but figured I’d make a start over summer so this is incredibly useful for getting the pronunciation down!
I found beginning Ancient Greek Open Learn course last year and was fascinated by it. To find this will be really helpful in learning the pronunciation. I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for taking the time to put it together.
Memories of Classic Greek classes back in 1976-1977.... seminary days!
Thank you so much,, I really wished to find someone explain ancient Greek simply thanks from Egypt ❤🇪🇬😍
I really still wish to be someone explain latin by simple way to be more easy for us
hi, hello! a student of ancient greek here. i don't know if this is just a different textbooks thing but i was taught to pronounce ζ as "dz" and not "zd". loved the video otherwise, actually taught me something new!
There is indeed evidence for both. ua-cam.com/video/fiSGxDV3JIQ/v-deo.htmlsi=JlU17sg0DYFsaHe4
there are different traditions (reconstructions) of the phonetics of Ancient Greek. the one you were taught is of Erasmus who argued that Xi should be pronounced [dz]
@@НефритоваяЗвезда-б5б ohh, makes sense. thank you !
Man, I have tried to find courses recently and I was too late for registration…. Thankful I found this!!! Please keep going.
Just starting on your video course - please keep producing these videos. I have been cruising the web looking for good resources, I am really happy to find an instructor who delivers crisply and doesn’t pfaff around. Good work!
Thank you very much for your encouragement and kind words! :)
This is exemplary. Thank you very much, and I hope your channel grows.
Very good lesson. I'm sure I'll be going back over it quite a few times as well as the future lessons on pronunciation.
Thank you for this series! I'm considering taking Ancient Greek as an elective and this will be very helpful to help me decide how I might fare with it. Cheers!
Ive been searching for these videos! This is super helpful! Thank you! 🙏
You are a fantastic teacher!
Very helpful video. Thank you very much for this!
@@RowanSharkey-im5sq You’re welcome! I’m glad that it was helpful. I hope that you find my other lessons helpful too! :)
You're perfect man thanks for this lesson
I have no choice but to tell or mention you as 'Sir'. Great Job, keep it up so we can learn a lot.
Thank you for your kind comment! :)
@@LearnAncientGreek I have to talk with you personally for an inquiry, would you mind to put your email or any media so that I can contact with you?
Ευχαριστώ , I was seeking from months and finally got it!
Thank u for the projectttt 🙇🙇🙇 Amazing teacher 🧑🏫
Thanks for the lessons it's my third day and I can read and sound out the letters im happy thank you for the lessons I'm on the fourth lesson
Thank you very much to help us start learning! I learned latin through Familia Romana a few years back, but I keep postponing learning greek. It sure is an intimidating and difficult language 😂
Thank you so much for this video!!
In case someone missed, book referenced - JACT "Reading Greek"
Thank you. They are great books. I primarily used "Reading Greek: Grammar and Exercises", "Reading Greek: Text and Vocabulary", and "Reading Greek: An Independent Study Guide" to learn Greek :)
@@LearnAncientGreek
Thank you for the video. :)
Could you please write the names of the books as well.
@@priyadarshiniprasad5747 You’re very welcome! I posted the names of the main books I used in the comment above yours :)
Very nice. U won me over, i will try to learn this at least a lil bit
Thank you! That's good to hear :)
Great Video! I just got a question about the pronunciation system you are using.. wich exactly do you use? your talked about using the ancient system, but I read that there is more then one (Erasmian, Early High Koine, Koine)
Well done! I just started Ancient Greek with Dr Ammon Hllman. Using the book Greek an Intensive Course. It may sound silly, I couldnt figure out how to apply the letters. My brain wanted to use the word- Alpha rather than A or a etc.. You cleared that up for me. On to the next video
Thank you for your time and energy creating this. what about digamma after epsilon?
What period are you referencing bye Classical greek
Just curious but how many are here because of being inspired by Dr.Ammon Hillman?
here
Question, I’ve seen a number of sources show Beta as being pronounced more like a “V” sound or “vita”. Same question for Delta, ive heard that as “thelta” with a hard Th as in the. Is this a dialect difference? Just different versions of teaching? More romanized?
@@johnclark59 The pronunciation which you mention is for Modern Greek. In Modern Greek, beta is pronounced “v” and delta is pronounced as a hard “th”. I hope that helps :)
It would be great and informative to mention which one of the "proposed" reconstructed pronunciations you are using and also in which era of ancient Greek language (classical Attic, early koine, NT koine etc) because there are differences in pronunciation between them. Also the intonation in some words you refer to, doesn't follow the actual one, for example, in the word Socrates the intonation goes to alpha not to omega (Σωκράτης). Finally according to Plato (Plato, Kratylus 418c), already from late 5th century bc, "η" was pronounced as "ι", though in earlier times people used to pronounce it either as "ε" or as "ι" depending on their dialect they were using. Great effort in general though
Agreed! But from what I understand η was still pronounced [ɛː] in attica in the late 5th century and was still [e] in Koine period and didnt close to [i] till the Byzantine period. Could you explain how 418c says differently? I don’t see it but I may be missing something…
@@raederle9070 The pronunciation of η as ι or ε has to do with the place not the time. Both pronunciations co existed, even in Athens of 5th century bc. Plato gives the example of the word "ημέρα" and explains that some people (referring to women, i would add the "Μέτοικοι" also) were saying "εμέρα" probably because they used less formal language or dialect, given the lack of education for most of them, when others mainly the most educated used "ιμέρα". "iotacism" as it's called didn't happen in an exact date, but it was going back and forth from time to time for centuries. Also talking about Koine period, many linguists today, propose the modern or for others historical pronunciation at least for the NT Koine instead of any reconstructed one, as the closest one to the real thing.
@@kalliaspapaioannou7045 thanks for the clarification- I was reading (the short version) of Ben Kantor’s recent book on Koine pronunciation and he says ‘η’ was not yet ioticized and wouldn’t be till the late byzantine - BUT yes some regional caveats plus now I also seem to remember (Luke Ranieri?) talking about how these shifts were taking place in some areas and then Alexander the Great came along and pushed it all back to a more conservative ‘classical attic’ - my unscholarly turn of phrase :-)
Thanks
@@neilsapsworth5562 Thank *you* very much for the Super Thanks! It is very kind of you :)
So helpful! I have subscribed!
Thanks very much.
Brilliant love it. 😁
Thank you!
What are your thoughts on ammon hillman? Is he legit?
Modern Greek Β, Γ And Δ Are pronounced "Véta", "Ğamma" (soft g) and "Thelta" respectively, so they got softened over time?
Also, Η/η is a long e, as in encapsulate, enthrall, Ι/ι is never long unless it's toned properly cause that's usually what η is for.
Χ/χ can change width depending on the vowel after it by the way. The X in "Χάνω" is pronounced as a taller and less wide consonant than the X in "Χοίρος".
Yes. For example: “At the time of the New Testament, it is probable that γ was pronounced as /ɣ, ʝ/ in most regional varieties of the Koine. The fricativization (and palatalization) of γ was a relatively early change in the consonantal system across the Mediterranean.” From Ben Kantor’s ‘A Short Guide to the Pronunciation of New Testament Greek’.
I believe β and θ softened much later but soften they did.
When you say they use all caps in manuscripts and inscriptions, doesn't that cover just about everything? Where else could one write anything. They were either writing on paper (manuscripts) or etching stone (inscriptions), so effectively they wrote in caps all the time.
it's interesting how many letters it has in common with russian/english. i feel like i already know 75% of this alphabet
It's interesting the the Attic sounds so French in pronunciation, whereas the Koine sounds more Spanish. That is just my casual subjective interpretation of past experiences.
Chi must be where the German comes in haha!
The original sigma Socrates
Does this course also work with Koine greek?
Yes, it does :) In this course, I am teaching Classical Greek, and Koine Greek is effectively a simpler version of Classical Greek. So, if you learn Classical Greek, then you will be able to read Koine, but this does not work the other way around. Note that Koine probably would have sounded slightly different to Classical Greek though, meaning that the pronunciation of Koine would likely be a bit different to that which I am using in the videos. I hope this helps!
@@LearnAncientGreek Thank you for the explanation.
@@Bah1357 You’re welcome! :)
Keep on posting!
you have a very nice voice
Thanks for the video! That's cool ❤
Thank you for the comment! There will be more videos coming in August :)
Thank you sir
Iota pi phi beta sigma tau upsilon phi chi psi omega epsilon phi xi sigma tau alpha nu phi mu phi nu
What does each names mean you dont explain
Nobody:
Me: I'm gonna learn Ancient Greek and Latin because of Percy Jackson
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13:14 wow psidon
I would like to invite you to our channel for a Podcast. It's mostly to translate ancient texts in ancient Greek, we mostly want to learn how to translate ancient bible texts.
okay because for some ridiculous random reason that I can’t even remember I chose Ancient Greek gcse without actually knowing any
I thought Pi was pronounced "pee" not "pie" Am I wrong?
Was doing so well until you got to rho.. As a Puerto Rican Jíbaro, I physically can’t roll my R’s, lol
What are your views on Dr. Ammon Hillman? Just watched a podcast with him and Danny Jones about the ancient Greek Ridings and the ancient Greek Bible before it was translated. It’s truly mind blowing when you realize just how many drugs they were doing back in the day and all the sexual degenerate practices.
Ancient Greek sound are not English sounds.
I would assume the closest living language is modern Greek and Koine is still used in the Orthodox Church it would probably be closer to modern Greek
Why don’t we call him “Platon” as is said by the ancient Greeks?
Very good question! I mention that we lose the endings of some names in English at 28:03 in Lesson 7: Transliteration. I think that there are different reasons for this, depending on which name we are talking about. In the case of Plato, I believe the final “n” is lost because of how his name was transliterated into Latin. Latin often has names that end in -o in their nominative form, so “Plato” was more natural in Latin than “Platon”. And thus we know him in English as “Plato” rather than “Platon” :)
@@LearnAncientGreek In Russian we call him Platon
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Please add more commercials at random places. The actual content is getting in the way of my viewing pleasure.
something like these destroys the Greek language, sry you have no idea for ancient Greek language
in what way?
Why?
His thick British accent killing the proper pronunciation actually. Just sayin...
Yeaa, but mostly in Р sound
αβγδ
Greek god of non-violent death
First of all there is no difference in ancient pronunciation and modern pronunciation and before you teach pronunciation you should learn how to pronounce the letters yourself otherwise the lessons are quite good
Sound is horrible. Get a good microphone and talk directly to it.
Excellent class--thank you!! Been learning through Ammon Hillman @@ladybabylon666
This is such a great addition to what I've learned!!
Going to look to see if you speak with the pitch inflections!! I sing professionally, so would love to 'sing' Attic Greek!! 💜💜💜
Thank you!
@@lanadewilde9791 You’re welcome! Thank *you* very much for the Super Thanks! It is so kind of you and I greatly appreciate it :)
Also, I unlocked the feature to receive Super Thanks quite recently, and you may like to know that you are the very first person to use the feature on my channel! Thanks again :)