The grieving mother documentary has to be the saddest thing i've watched on YT, the whole video is dead silent with no background music because how serious it is with only the grieving mother crying and his daughter.
Artificially recreating a lost loved one is so creepy. It's not real. Your loved one was real. Their loss deserves to be fully felt and mourned and your grief needs to be properly processed.
Ofc it is not real. But people talk to gravestones and pictures representing their dead ones all the time. This is a step further than that, but still technically the same.
It's absolutely not the same talking to a gravestone or picture is real you are not getting any conversation back this digital ai garbage will absolutely mess with people's heads and distort their reality Think about it the moment they stop talking to these ai they are plunged back into reality with the grief fresh and waiting you can't hide from it forever and people shouldn't it's important part of life's journey
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:38-39 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Matthew 6:5-6°
@@mikaelpaavola4781 I think that's better than a synthetic form of that deceased person communicating with the person grieving. But of course, people gotta deal with it the way they want to deal with it. So as long as they aren't hurting themselves or anybody else in their grief...I'm all good with it.
@@katzeartist5833 Oh of course. They don't really come in a linear fashion; it's more of a switching back-and-forth kind of thing. However, I would say denial tends to be one of the first ones. That being said, everyone processes things differently. It's just slightly odd, but I assume that's why it's on Vice.
@@Soooooooooooonicable actually I’ve been thinking about this.. I think since I have grieved and know she will not be returning it would be awesome to hear her voice more
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17 "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:38-39 "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Matthew 6:5-6°
I'm not against technology evolving our relationship with death, but one line here terrifies me: "for a small monthly fee". Even if everything goes perfectly, psychologically speaking, a company is charging you every month for access to your (perceived) loved one.
I agree, although as a digital artist, I also understand how much it costs to invent and maintain technology like this. It's sad that everything costs money, but that is the real issue here. As long as it's not overpriced to the point where people are taking out loans to pay for it, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Something like $3.99 or even $8.99 a month similar to a streaming service seems fair and sustainable at the same time without employees being underpaid or outsourced or exploited. If it was $150 a month on the other hand, that's a potential problem for sure.
They did a whole episode about this on the black mirrors Netflix series. The lady in that show starts chatting with a ai of her dead husband then gradually moves forward ordering the whole body set for it that allows her to physically interact with him. Anyways good show. Ending is great. Black mirrors. Forgot what season and episode but yah
No no no no no no no this is not the way. There are people I have lost that have shattered my heart innumerable times but I know despite how alluring the idea is, we must accept what has come out of Pandora's Box, and recognize death as a PART of life, a natural process not "fucking horrible" or "the worst part about being alive" as the AI developer phrases it. It is OKAY to be left with questions, it is OKAY to have unfinished business. Our very essence is being unfinished projects. The very nature of life and reality is ambiguous and one must actively work to grow their acceptance with the abyss rather than resist or deflect it.
My mom passed on April 20, 2020 in a very traumatic way. Due to the pandemic, we never truly got to celebrate her- and my personal grieving process has been delayed. As someone who has been diagnosed with PTSD as a result of the loss, I would give anything to speak to my mom again or hug her… to have those conversations we were supposed to have. But “for a small monthly fee,” this feels so predatory. To grieving people: this technology isn’t truly your loved one…. this doesn’t feel like healing. The person you love would want you to try to heal and move on.
So sorry for your loss. And you bring up a very good point. Part of me is ok with charging because no technology is free to run, and you'd have to exploit countless workers to offer a free version of this app for everyone. At the same time, maybe it's just better left alone all together because of the damage it may do. But what really hits me is how you mentioned this ISN'T your loved one. If I imagine myself passed on, I'd be devastated to see my mother trying to "talk" to me every day for the rest of her life. I'd want her to move on and be happy. At the same time, I could see this helping maybe for a very short period of time, but as we all know, it's hard to quit anything that brings us "comfort," no matter how unhealthy we know it is.
As hard as it is we need to accept life as it is, we did not choose to be brought into this world but we need to accept the circle of life. I lost my mom two years ago and could not imagine myself doing that to myself, it only hurts even more, to interact with something not real. It is better to rewatch videos and audio messages and to hope that one day we can be together again.
Hard disagree, I wish I could at least talk to a mere echo of the people I loved. I have so many things I want to tell people like my grandmother, her passing was so sudden and she was left a husk. I just want to see a version of her where she is healthy again and not morbidly bloated from accumulating water in her system. I know she's dead, and most people who want to use this service do as well, all we want is to at least try to resolve some things that we were not able to share with our late loved ones when they were here. Hoping that you will be together with your passed loved ones is in my opinion as harmful as the version of Versonas you described (which was not accurate). I'm lucky to not believe in an afterlife because if I did I would not hesitate to immediately end my life so I can get out of this living filth and finally be reunited with the people I care about.
@@ukrajinskasvoboda8529 I guess we don't have to think the same way, I just said talking to a computer thinking it's your beloved one is not healthy, that "person" is not real, it will only feed your inner needs to fix unsolved business and make you live in La-La-Land. My mom also passed away while accumulating water in her system, I believe that talking to her like she never had that problem in the first place is again not healthy. She was suffering from heart failure and cirrhosis for the past 15 years. Picturing her healthy and in her right mind right now, would only harm me and whoever interacts with her because that is not her real self. Like I wrote before, we need to accept the Circle of Life, talking to deceased is not natural. My belief in meeting my mother later is not harmful at all since I will lose my consciousness the moment I pass and I do not think about it every day like people who wants to use that service will eventually. Talking to a machine/system/app daily and filling your head with fake scenarios and interactions is 100% worse than believing in the after life.
@@thejourneyofthefool That is the real argument, if you can’t understand the difference between animating a photo in a subtle way and pretending you are socially interacting with a computer acting as a deceased person, I am really sorry for you.
This is going to make a lot of people suffer even more than the actuall loss they had to begin with. Yes, you can bring back memories and good moments, but I'm almost 100% sure this will do emotional damage to a lot of people and will make them addicted to the tech, which in turn will make them even more sad over a longer period of time than if they just grieved "normally". I'm all for AI, but this is giving me a very ambivalent feeling.
Yeah, and I know people will naively begin to argue that an AI chat bot trained on data from a living person's writings/texts/emails is in some way "them" but it is literally just rehashing their old words in a much less organic way than the human mind itself works. Even the most advanced neural network algorithms absolutely pale in comparison to the complexity or structure of the human brain - and that's without getting into the whole consciousness debate, which I personally believe, 1) even an extremely advanced AI, essentially mimicking a person's brain structure, built from an extremely detailed and simulated scan of all of their neurons, synapses, neurotransmitters, transcription factors, etc., etc. (at best, several decades away if that), would just be an impressive facsimile, but ultimately an unthinking copy. It'd be a "philosophical zombie" ala Chalmers, or like John Searle's "Chinese Room." But 2), even if it _was_ conscious - truly had the conscious experience of _thinking_ - it'd just be a clone, not the same person. The person who died still had their consciousness blink out and the copy that's alive would only _think_ it was the same person, yet would have to deal with the complete mindfuck that is knowing the body they were copied from died. Worse yet, I'd imagine you'd have to do the scans/make the copy in this hypothetical, while a person was alive and imagine how creepy and fucked up it would be to talk to a complete AI-simulation of yourself, that was _convinced it was you._ All of it is a terrible, and deeply troubling idea, at its core if it ever was possible.
Yea I think you have it right. An important part of 'healing' is letting go of what hurt you and hopefully moving on. It's like picking at a wound until it scars.
I would be so scared of real memories being replaced this isn’t looking back at memories it’s making fake ones. When he talked about it someday becoming so real that you cant realize the difference. That sounds scary and sad, like the people are nothing more than what they can do for you and the connection they can give you. Thinking that loved ones could ever be replaced like that feels like he’s missing a key part.
I agree with a lot of comments that it’s not letting people heal. It’s like keeping yourself in situationship and not letting the lost relationship go. Unfortunately, sometimes pain just has to be felt and facts need to be let go
I don't know. If you could like talk to them, just not see them... maybe they would fade away from your life, and eventually you would forget about them. I don't think creating a whole 3d model could help you, because if it gets unnatural, it gets weird fast On the other hand, if you have LLM and you depleted it's capabilities, you just gently shift into reality with a bad LLM speaker in your home, with acceptance that your loved one is gone And since you haven't seen him for a long time, and you were able to say goodbye to him and even to get exhaust of this LLM - it is possible that you could regain full functioning faster Because lack of a shock
I'm guessing that you’re slightly paranoid about this new technology, I’ll never let go of the memories of my loved ones ! As a Briton.🇬🇧 I feel the Americans are paranoid over many subject matters and ideas. Examples: Communism and the Vietnam war. Now it’s AI. !
WE don't have to do anything. YOU may HAVE to let them go, but don't speak for the rest of us, please. Who are you to say how people get through life after loss as "unhealthy"?
I miss my Grandmother, who was my best friend, every single day. By missing her I honour her memory and her life. If I had an AI product to 'replace' her, that would be tragic.
People will never leave these worlds if this becomes a real thing. Imagine how many times a day that mother hops into VR to see her daughter again, imagine how many people could easily slide down this slope its basically an echo chamber.
Exactly. Maybe not everyone, but too many and possibly most people would easily slide into this "false" world. Reminds me of the Ready Player One film where we'll all just be living in boxes with a single chair and our VR devices. Also reminds me of that scene in Wall-E...
This is sort of like one of those things where you log in a dead person account like a friend that used to play COD a lot and been dead since 2012 it's definitely a sad can of worms that you don't wanna open
This is real scary; the idea that AI is a good thing for grief is almost absurd. It is like people aren't going through the steps of grief. I don't think this is beneficial in any way. I lost my son in 2007 and I would love to hear his thoughts now, but AI is not the answer.
I have a virtual reality picture of my grandma, just me sitting on the couch taking the picture. Now that she's passed on its a strange thing, but I'd argue it's comparable to how we went from paintings, to photos, to video. In the future we'll continue to be able to capture moments in more and more immersive ways.
That's messed up man! look at how the korean mother tried grabbing her daughter so badly. People need to honour their dead, reliving their beautiful memories of them, visiting their graves and putting flowers on top of them or doing good deeds in their names.
Wow.. I think this technology is absolutely beautiful. Everyone grieves differently and in their own time.. I think this will help people process their grief ❣️
The ethics of this are very mixed. When I was watching this video, I started thinking about my friend who lost her grandmother she was closer to than even her mom, and for a long time she would pay psychics to desperately try to keep her grandmother alive in her mind. Every psychic appointment cost hundreds of dollars. She spent so much money on them, and of course these "psychics" are just making stuff up. So they were making money off of manipulating her grief. I'm glad she finally stopped paying for their "services," especially since she's so in debt that she faces potential evictions regularly. I had to loan her nearly 500 dollars to keep a roof over her head. So knowing how easily people can abuse someone's grief for money, I know there is definitely a potential for harm with this technology. And what gives me chills is that they said in the video that it's a subscription service. So you have to keep giving the company money in order to keep your loved one "alive." And if you stop paying, it probably would feel like your loved one dying all over again.
Weirdly enough, shaping a character in the AI's digital mind feels like raising a tulpa. Like, it slowly adapts to you and remembers your things. Eventually you don't even need to guide what it writes, it knows exactly what you want it to do. Great stuff. I imagine that this is the future of global entertainmemt: AI people, AI movies, AI video games, all created on the fly by the user himself, made to cater highly individual needs and wants.
I love this!! i would give anything to hear messages from my late husband. This could help so many people that are grieving. Thank you for sharing this.
@@russellfrancis6294 Talking to an AI version of a departed loved one allows this person to stay in the denial phrase indefinitely. There's a difference between being nice and being kind, I lean toward the latter even if can come off as harsh.
To anyone with nasty messages about this has no knowledge I swear. What I would give to hear my grandparents again. I never got to see either of them when they passed as I live in a different country and have always had immense guilt over it, even though I was just a teen/child. Even if it was just ai “garbage” as most people in the comments have called it. It makes me cry because I miss them every day and wish I could still hear them or talk to them but I know because they died before technology, I have no videos of them or any texts and I remember that when my grandmother died I left her a voicemail and texts. To some it may be stupid but everyone is different and everyone grieves differently. Don’t judge this woman for wanting to spend the rest of her life talking to her husband, even if it’s just a bunch of data collected and getting regurgitated. It’s still him, it’s still all his data that’s his way of typing, phrasing, joking ect. I’ve grieved my lost ones over and over but I would love to say goodbye at least once, and tell them how much their only grandchild loved them.
The only comfort of death I have is that I will follow them eventually to where they are going. It’s just a matter of time. Death sometimes brings meaning and significance to life.
I didn't know he had passed. Very funny guy. I really liked his routines. That is quite a sad loss. He really had a great sense of humour! My condolences to his widow.
I think eventually something like this will be not dissimilar to people looking over picture albums of a dead loved one. Sometimes a photo album can be toxic element in a persons grieving process, just like this could potentially be. Think in the future where peoples digital data can basically be used to “continue conversation”, or just learn more about them. Everyone grieves differently, hard to say if this would do more harm than help. Certainly for some it might, but just like the photo album, videos, or something similar might.
This service kind of seems like a blatant scam, I assume he’s just loading texts and voice memos into off the shelf services. This tech probably WLL get better but I hope that lady didn’t pay much for it. At least she has a good sense of humor about it.
Its $60/year, which seems crazy low. To curate the best possible result, you would need someone to manage the data in some way. No way is that happening for $5/mo or $6/yr. Probably chucked into an algo.
@@MortalShores that’s what I’m guessing - I’m assuming he throws the texts into something like character ai and his service is more or less a front end for whatever it generates. maybe occasionally he uses a voice AI to send you a personalized message. I’m willing to believe he means well and maybe does think it’ll bring some peace to people, but I can’t shake the feeling that it feels like an awfully cruel low hanging fruit to pick. the idea of perpetually charging someone monthly for access to an AI built from messages between them and a loved one alone strikes me as inherently fucked up.
Yeah, but in the same way that they carved out an exception in the copyright law for Mickey Mouse, they should do the same for Michael Jackson. We need more of his songs.
There's the necessary "business of death" (coffin manufacturers, funeral home directors, etc)...but having a business of grief is something I'm having a really strongly negative reaction to. Is there NOTHING people won't try to profit from? Is nothing sacred at all? This is literally making me sick to my stomach.
What time line are we on? When the hell did the amazing Johnathan die? He’s one of my favorite comedians and I never heard anything. I’m in Vegas you would think it would be on the news or something. Damn. RIP Johnathan. I like to imagine he’s in heaven blowing bubbles.
AI…should not be used in this way. Discovering more of the Universe. Exploring the depths our own world. Helping us deepen our own philosophies and maybe create new ones. This…this is not the way.
I think there will be sorts who want this who won't really be able to handle it that well. Particularly when the grieving process hasn't come to its conclusion, where people might consider this facsimile to _de facto_ be the other person, insofar as their "new" reactions or words would be taken out of context, without realizing the difference. In the end, possibly doing more harm than good. That's not to say I haven't thought about using the very same technology, but I also fear and am averse to it in many regards. The situation is a complex one, and I believe it has more than enough capacity to complexify an issue that has been dealt with thru other processes to a better extent. Now, this isn't any sort of new idea. There has been spiritualism for as long as we've been thinking about our dead, the very essence in the word spirit there... Victorian seances, tribal rituals, to attempt to reach out, or have the dead themselves come back in a way. So I don't think the tech is altogether wrong in how many view this idea, and have throughout time, I just worry about its implications. I think it is vile the idea of a subscription fee to resurrect the dead. Also, logically speaking, using some kind of jetpack or so isn't "not accepting" gravity, it is using a tool to work with it. Much in the same way this could be, but acceptance of death, especially of the one(s) you miss, is imperative. There is no immortality besides veils that might make us appear so.
You cannot. It is no longer possible. And if you do hear her, it's not her, it's a demon impersonating her to lure you into possession. That's what I heard. Then after they possess your body they tell you all is hopeless and you will never be free again, and try to drive you to suicide because they want to increase the odds that you are damned to hell. After you commit suicide, and your smashed body is crushed under the underpass, they leave and follow you down to the pits of hell, where they taunt you continuously forever about how you were stupid enough to believe them.
When I saw that grieving mother, I knew that this technology could be easily abused. Messing with someone’s loss is horrible.
I cant imagine wanting to see my child like that, completely untouchable. Even thinking about it hurts
free trials followed by charging a monthly fee? yeeeeesh
Good point when I saw the title, I am mediately thought it’s ridiculous and unfair to play with anyone’s minds and or hearts
The grieving mother documentary has to be the saddest thing i've watched on YT, the whole video is dead silent with no background music because how serious it is with only the grieving mother crying and his daughter.
"if you REALLY miss me, you'd buy the upgraded VIP package!"
Artificially recreating a lost loved one is so creepy. It's not real. Your loved one was real. Their loss deserves to be fully felt and mourned and your grief needs to be properly processed.
Ofc it is not real. But people talk to gravestones and pictures representing their dead ones all the time. This is a step further than that, but still technically the same.
It's absolutely not the same talking to a gravestone or picture is real you are not getting any conversation back this digital ai garbage will absolutely mess with people's heads and distort their reality
Think about it the moment they stop talking to these ai they are plunged back into reality with the grief fresh and waiting you can't hide from it forever and people shouldn't it's important part of life's journey
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:38-39
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Matthew 6:5-6°
Are we real?
@@mikaelpaavola4781 I think that's better than a synthetic form of that deceased person communicating with the person grieving. But of course, people gotta deal with it the way they want to deal with it. So as long as they aren't hurting themselves or anybody else in their grief...I'm all good with it.
"As I've matured into the grief process, I realize I can handle it"
I don't think she's even made it past the denial phase, which is the first one?
This is what you do when you have no spirit to access the spirit realm and just talk to the deceased... Wypipo 🤣
You can experience the stages of grief in any order.
@@katzeartist5833 Oh of course. They don't really come in a linear fashion; it's more of a switching back-and-forth kind of thing. However, I would say denial tends to be one of the first ones. That being said, everyone processes things differently. It's just slightly odd, but I assume that's why it's on Vice.
I’d argue she has
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Denial phase, I’m not against it but I lost my sister and nothing would hurt more than thinking I could have her back.
You can say that about any belief in the afterlife as well
@@Soooooooooooonicable After life PLMS 'where's that mate if you don't mind sharing ?
@@Soooooooooooonicable actually I’ve been thinking about this.. I think since I have grieved and know she will not be returning it would be awesome to hear her voice more
Your gonna have AI stimulation machine of herself. The real one is long gone and left is a clone of her
im in the two time dead sibling club and i agree
The fact that this very exact thing was an episode of Black Mirror really says something.
Definitely disconcerting.
@@BigTrees4ever Yeah well there you are.
"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:38-39
"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." Matthew 6:5-6°
We’re in a grid / stimulation
I'm not against technology evolving our relationship with death, but one line here terrifies me: "for a small monthly fee". Even if everything goes perfectly, psychologically speaking, a company is charging you every month for access to your (perceived) loved one.
That is my main concern as well, a company having control and ownership over a virtual loved one.
seems to me like a company taking advantage of grieving people and their loss
Running that system isn't free, do you understand now?
I agree, although as a digital artist, I also understand how much it costs to invent and maintain technology like this. It's sad that everything costs money, but that is the real issue here. As long as it's not overpriced to the point where people are taking out loans to pay for it, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. Something like $3.99 or even $8.99 a month similar to a streaming service seems fair and sustainable at the same time without employees being underpaid or outsourced or exploited. If it was $150 a month on the other hand, that's a potential problem for sure.
A separate subscription for each person you add.
They did a whole episode about this on the black mirrors Netflix series. The lady in that show starts chatting with a ai of her dead husband then gradually moves forward ordering the whole body set for it that allows her to physically interact with him. Anyways good show. Ending is great. Black mirrors. Forgot what season and episode but yah
FYI the show is Black Mirror (singular) and the episode is called "Be Right Back"
The show did a fantastic job at showing AI can’t be human.
No no no no no no no this is not the way. There are people I have lost that have shattered my heart innumerable times but I know despite how alluring the idea is, we must accept what has come out of Pandora's Box, and recognize death as a PART of life, a natural process not "fucking horrible" or "the worst part about being alive" as the AI developer phrases it. It is OKAY to be left with questions, it is OKAY to have unfinished business. Our very essence is being unfinished projects. The very nature of life and reality is ambiguous and one must actively work to grow their acceptance with the abyss rather than resist or deflect it.
Yes yes yes!
Well said...
That's exactly what I was going to say!😊✌️
Amen to that
My mom passed on April 20, 2020 in a very traumatic way. Due to the pandemic, we never truly got to celebrate her- and my personal grieving process has been delayed.
As someone who has been diagnosed with PTSD as a result of the loss, I would give anything to speak to my mom again or hug her… to have those conversations we were supposed to have.
But “for a small monthly fee,” this feels so predatory.
To grieving people: this technology isn’t truly your loved one…. this doesn’t feel like healing. The person you love would want you to try to heal and move on.
So sorry for your loss. And you bring up a very good point. Part of me is ok with charging because no technology is free to run, and you'd have to exploit countless workers to offer a free version of this app for everyone. At the same time, maybe it's just better left alone all together because of the damage it may do. But what really hits me is how you mentioned this ISN'T your loved one. If I imagine myself passed on, I'd be devastated to see my mother trying to "talk" to me every day for the rest of her life. I'd want her to move on and be happy. At the same time, I could see this helping maybe for a very short period of time, but as we all know, it's hard to quit anything that brings us "comfort," no matter how unhealthy we know it is.
As hard as it is we need to accept life as it is, we did not choose to be brought into this world but we need to accept the circle of life. I lost my mom two years ago and could not imagine myself doing that to myself, it only hurts even more, to interact with something not real. It is better to rewatch videos and audio messages and to hope that one day we can be together again.
Hard disagree, I wish I could at least talk to a mere echo of the people I loved. I have so many things I want to tell people like my grandmother, her passing was so sudden and she was left a husk. I just want to see a version of her where she is healthy again and not morbidly bloated from accumulating water in her system. I know she's dead, and most people who want to use this service do as well, all we want is to at least try to resolve some things that we were not able to share with our late loved ones when they were here. Hoping that you will be together with your passed loved ones is in my opinion as harmful as the version of Versonas you described (which was not accurate). I'm lucky to not believe in an afterlife because if I did I would not hesitate to immediately end my life so I can get out of this living filth and finally be reunited with the people I care about.
@@ukrajinskasvoboda8529 I guess we don't have to think the same way, I just said talking to a computer thinking it's your beloved one is not healthy, that "person" is not real, it will only feed your inner needs to fix unsolved business and make you live in La-La-Land. My mom also passed away while accumulating water in her system, I believe that talking to her like she never had that problem in the first place is again not healthy. She was suffering from heart failure and cirrhosis for the past 15 years. Picturing her healthy and in her right mind right now, would only harm me and whoever interacts with her because that is not her real self.
Like I wrote before, we need to accept the Circle of Life, talking to deceased is not natural.
My belief in meeting my mother later is not harmful at all since I will lose my consciousness the moment I pass and I do not think about it every day like people who wants to use that service will eventually. Talking to a machine/system/app daily and filling your head with fake scenarios and interactions is 100% worse than believing in the after life.
Its so hollow. As much as i like lying to myself, id still be lying to myself
@@thejourneyofthefool Animating photos is one thing, a computer trying to mimic all the interactions of a deceased person is another thing.
@@thejourneyofthefool That is the real argument, if you can’t understand the difference between animating a photo in a subtle way and pretending you are socially interacting with a computer acting as a deceased person, I am really sorry for you.
This is going to make a lot of people suffer even more than the actuall loss they had to begin with. Yes, you can bring back memories and good moments, but I'm almost 100% sure this will do emotional damage to a lot of people and will make them addicted to the tech, which in turn will make them even more sad over a longer period of time than if they just grieved "normally".
I'm all for AI, but this is giving me a very ambivalent feeling.
Yeah, and I know people will naively begin to argue that an AI chat bot trained on data from a living person's writings/texts/emails is in some way "them" but it is literally just rehashing their old words in a much less organic way than the human mind itself works.
Even the most advanced neural network algorithms absolutely pale in comparison to the complexity or structure of the human brain - and that's without getting into the whole consciousness debate, which I personally believe, 1) even an extremely advanced AI, essentially mimicking a person's brain structure, built from an extremely detailed and simulated scan of all of their neurons, synapses, neurotransmitters, transcription factors, etc., etc. (at best, several decades away if that), would just be an impressive facsimile, but ultimately an unthinking copy. It'd be a "philosophical zombie" ala Chalmers, or like John Searle's "Chinese Room."
But 2), even if it _was_ conscious - truly had the conscious experience of _thinking_ - it'd just be a clone, not the same person. The person who died still had their consciousness blink out and the copy that's alive would only _think_ it was the same person, yet would have to deal with the complete mindfuck that is knowing the body they were copied from died. Worse yet, I'd imagine you'd have to do the scans/make the copy in this hypothetical, while a person was alive and imagine how creepy and fucked up it would be to talk to a complete AI-simulation of yourself, that was _convinced it was you._ All of it is a terrible, and deeply troubling idea, at its core if it ever was possible.
Yea I think you have it right. An important part of 'healing' is letting go of what hurt you and hopefully moving on. It's like picking at a wound until it scars.
Black mirror already proved the risk in my opinion
A couple of weeks ago, I created a digital clone of my recently deceased father and it brought me closure.
I would be so scared of real memories being replaced this isn’t looking back at memories it’s making fake ones. When he talked about it someday becoming so real that you cant realize the difference. That sounds scary and sad, like the people are nothing more than what they can do for you and the connection they can give you. Thinking that loved ones could ever be replaced like that feels like he’s missing a key part.
I agree . I don't want to live in that world either.
There's an element of what could be called satanism involved in this.
I agree with a lot of comments that it’s not letting people heal. It’s like keeping yourself in situationship and not letting the lost relationship go. Unfortunately, sometimes pain just has to be felt and facts need to be let go
Vice is pushing this because the company that makes AI of dead ones is trying to advertise and profit
Spoiler alert: It's not actually your dead loved one.
It’s just an AI stimulation machine
This just elongates the grieving process and preys on surviving family members.
This is unhealthy. I understand losing loved ones, but we have to let them go.
I don't know. If you could like talk to them, just not see them... maybe they would fade away from your life, and eventually you would forget about them.
I don't think creating a whole 3d model could help you, because if it gets unnatural, it gets weird fast
On the other hand, if you have LLM and you depleted it's capabilities, you just gently shift into reality with a bad LLM speaker in your home, with acceptance that your loved one is gone
And since you haven't seen him for a long time, and you were able to say goodbye to him and even to get exhaust of this LLM - it is possible that you could regain full functioning faster
Because lack of a shock
I'm guessing that you’re slightly paranoid about this new technology, I’ll never let go of the memories of my loved ones ! As a Briton.🇬🇧 I feel the Americans are paranoid over many subject matters and ideas. Examples: Communism and the Vietnam war. Now it’s AI. !
WE don't have to do anything. YOU may HAVE to let them go, but don't speak for the rest of us, please. Who are you to say how people get through life after loss as "unhealthy"?
Black Mirror predicted this year's before 😮
Predictive programming
Facts and minority report
They also nailed the prediction on social credit.
I miss my Grandmother, who was my best friend, every single day. By missing her I honour her memory and her life. If I had an AI product to 'replace' her, that would be tragic.
People will never leave these worlds if this becomes a real thing. Imagine how many times a day that mother hops into VR to see her daughter again, imagine how many people could easily slide down this slope its basically an echo chamber.
Exactly. Maybe not everyone, but too many and possibly most people would easily slide into this "false" world. Reminds me of the Ready Player One film where we'll all just be living in boxes with a single chair and our VR devices. Also reminds me of that scene in Wall-E...
Black Mirror comes real...
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@@Charlie-phlezk Black magic
I remember that episode, very disturbing
We ALL have that one person...Just one we could hear that voice we forgot. Can still remember the smile....I love you mom.
This is sort of like one of those things where you log in a dead person account like a friend that used to play COD a lot and been dead since 2012 it's definitely a sad can of worms that you don't wanna open
This is real scary; the idea that AI is a good thing for grief is almost absurd. It is like people aren't going through the steps of grief. I don't think this is beneficial in any way. I lost my son in 2007 and I would love to hear his thoughts now, but AI is not the answer.
What steps
Well it starts with denial....or haven't you heard of the steps of grief?
You should listen to his AI voice and then decide
@@TheBrawlmastah You're really going to "you should" a parent who has lost a child?
@@nnexa4 You really should your pants with that comment Bianca
And the ads would be of your family member talking to you about products. And you’d have to finish the commercial to keep talking to them
I have a virtual reality picture of my grandma, just me sitting on the couch taking the picture.
Now that she's passed on its a strange thing, but I'd argue it's comparable to how we went from paintings, to photos, to video. In the future we'll continue to be able to capture moments in more and more immersive ways.
Normalize discussing grief.
You can't move on if you won't let them go.
That's messed up man! look at how the korean mother tried grabbing her daughter so badly. People need to honour their dead, reliving their beautiful memories of them, visiting their graves and putting flowers on top of them or doing good deeds in their names.
Black mirror was not meant to be an instructional series
Wow.. I think this technology is absolutely beautiful. Everyone grieves differently and in their own time.. I think this will help people process their grief ❣️
The ethics of this are very mixed. When I was watching this video, I started thinking about my friend who lost her grandmother she was closer to than even her mom, and for a long time she would pay psychics to desperately try to keep her grandmother alive in her mind. Every psychic appointment cost hundreds of dollars. She spent so much money on them, and of course these "psychics" are just making stuff up. So they were making money off of manipulating her grief. I'm glad she finally stopped paying for their "services," especially since she's so in debt that she faces potential evictions regularly. I had to loan her nearly 500 dollars to keep a roof over her head. So knowing how easily people can abuse someone's grief for money, I know there is definitely a potential for harm with this technology. And what gives me chills is that they said in the video that it's a subscription service. So you have to keep giving the company money in order to keep your loved one "alive." And if you stop paying, it probably would feel like your loved one dying all over again.
Weirdly enough, shaping a character in the AI's digital mind feels like raising a tulpa. Like, it slowly adapts to you and remembers your things. Eventually you don't even need to guide what it writes, it knows exactly what you want it to do. Great stuff.
I imagine that this is the future of global entertainmemt: AI people, AI movies, AI video games, all created on the fly by the user himself, made to cater highly individual needs and wants.
Like porn.
eventually all the user will want is human connection or death
if it doesnt then its no longer human
I love this!! i would give anything to hear messages from my late husband. This could help so many people that are grieving. Thank you for sharing this.
Every closed door isn't meant to be opened.
It's up to the person to open it. Everyone has their own doors.
I feel this not only wouldn’t help with the grieving process, it would make it much worse.
Maybe not the best idea for healing but to each it's own.
Letting go is part of the process. The suffering is in the holding on to what is no longer there. I hope it is used wisely.
"As I've matured into the grief process" yeah I don't think this is what that looks like
Heavens ! That’s harsh ! What’s going on with you people in America ?
@@russellfrancis6294 Talking to an AI version of a departed loved one allows this person to stay in the denial phrase indefinitely. There's a difference between being nice and being kind, I lean toward the latter even if can come off as harsh.
To anyone with nasty messages about this has no knowledge I swear. What I would give to hear my grandparents again. I never got to see either of them when they passed as I live in a different country and have always had immense guilt over it, even though I was just a teen/child. Even if it was just ai “garbage” as most people in the comments have called it. It makes me cry because I miss them every day and wish I could still hear them or talk to them but I know because they died before technology, I have no videos of them or any texts and I remember that when my grandmother died I left her a voicemail and texts. To some it may be stupid but everyone is different and everyone grieves differently. Don’t judge this woman for wanting to spend the rest of her life talking to her husband, even if it’s just a bunch of data collected and getting regurgitated. It’s still him, it’s still all his data that’s his way of typing, phrasing, joking ect. I’ve grieved my lost ones over and over but I would love to say goodbye at least once, and tell them how much their only grandchild loved them.
AI of your decreased person is not your real loved deceased person. Your loved one must leave behind a will and have a guide system
This is literally the "Be Right Back" episode of Black Mirror lol.
Literally Black Mirror episode.
Ok this is LITERALLY an episode in dark mirror
The only comfort of death I have is that I will follow them eventually to where they are going. It’s just a matter of time. Death sometimes brings meaning and significance to life.
Oh ...what the goonah!! Seeing this video was how I learned that The Amazing Jonathan has passed.
He was such an awesome human being.
Wasn’t this literally a Black Mirror episode??
Ultimately, like everything else, the choice to use this technology or not resides with the individual. Very interesting reporting.
This is an affront to humanity. Flesh, blood, and bone decay. That's life. This just feeds into the creation of a mass delusion.
IS THIS NOT LITERALLY A BLACK MIRROR EPISODE??!?!??
1000 year old alien androids are looking at Earth like "rookies!!"
I think this would just make me more depressed. It would feel like a reminder of the loss.
Y'all know this is a black mirror episode right?
😭 I loved the amazing Jonathan. Such a huge loss. RIP.
There is an episode in black mirror that talks about this, not letting go is unhealthy….
The cat came back over to the laptop like wait......he's back?
I don't think it's healthy to try and reunite with the dead
Yo that episode of Black Mirror done came to life. Take a look at the episode named "Be Right Back"
...if i DIED suddenly my mother would purchace tech immediately to scream at me for not cleaning garage.
This is literally the plot of a Black Mirror episode
I miss The AMAZING Johnathan too but AI can never replace the loss of life.
Thats why forgetting something can be a bliss
I would give up the rest of my life to just see my dad one more time one more talk I've been forever broken 💔
THIS WAS A BLACK MIRROR EPISODE
Bot doesn't communicate in a normal way at all but then she says that's just how he was.
Kinda seems rigged
so remember that Black Mirror episode?
While this is weird, still seems more sane than religion.
You were so preoccupied if you could, you never questioned if you should
this is literally a black mirror episode. i really hate to be that person. but its literally in an episode called "be right back"
Never though in my life necromancer will also being beat by ai and will also lost work.
I didn't know he had passed. Very funny guy. I really liked his routines. That is quite a sad loss. He really had a great sense of humour!
My condolences to his widow.
If you haven't seen it, The Amazing Jonathan documentary is pretty good.
I second this. It's absolutely phenomenal. To anyone reading this: don't read any reviews, they contain spoilers. Just watch it, it's worth it!
I think this will hurt a lot of people. It may help some.. I feel like this is something only a therapist should use. I'd try it
I really fear that this will harm us more than help us. But I don’t know for sure. Only time will tell I guess.
I think eventually something like this will be not dissimilar to people looking over picture albums of a dead loved one. Sometimes a photo album can be toxic element in a persons grieving process, just like this could potentially be. Think in the future where peoples digital data can basically be used to “continue conversation”, or just learn more about them. Everyone grieves differently, hard to say if this would do more harm than help. Certainly for some it might, but just like the photo album, videos, or something similar might.
She needs some grief counseling. Poor thing.
“dead men tell no tales”, until now….
This service kind of seems like a blatant scam, I assume he’s just loading texts and voice memos into off the shelf services. This tech probably WLL get better but I hope that lady didn’t pay much for it. At least she has a good sense of humor about it.
Its $60/year, which seems crazy low. To curate the best possible result, you would need someone to manage the data in some way. No way is that happening for $5/mo or $6/yr. Probably chucked into an algo.
@@MortalShores that’s what I’m guessing - I’m assuming he throws the texts into something like character ai and his service is more or less a front end for whatever it generates. maybe occasionally he uses a voice AI to send you a personalized message. I’m willing to believe he means well and maybe does think it’ll bring some peace to people, but I can’t shake the feeling that it feels like an awfully cruel low hanging fruit to pick. the idea of perpetually charging someone monthly for access to an AI built from messages between them and a loved one alone strikes me as inherently fucked up.
This is literally a black mirror episode
There should be a law that prevents any type of AI from imitating a real human.
Yeah, but in the same way that they carved out an exception in the copyright law for Mickey Mouse, they should do the same for Michael Jackson. We need more of his songs.
There's the necessary "business of death" (coffin manufacturers, funeral home directors, etc)...but having a business of grief is something I'm having a really strongly negative reaction to. Is there NOTHING people won't try to profit from? Is nothing sacred at all? This is literally making me sick to my stomach.
How can you grief in peace like that???
If this isn't torture I don't know torture.
I remember a Black Mirror episode that started similarly to this.
What time line are we on? When the hell did the amazing Johnathan die? He’s one of my favorite comedians and I never heard anything. I’m in Vegas you would think it would be on the news or something. Damn. RIP Johnathan. I like to imagine he’s in heaven blowing bubbles.
You never heal from the loss of someone you love. It just something you have to live with. AI can not changed that, it will only give you false hope.
Black Mirror literally had an episode about this and how awful of an idea this is...
Just came here for the Black Mirror comments...
This was on Black Mirror
One minute unskippable ad? Wtf
This is like that episode of Black Mirror
Human culture is going to change so much in the next decade or two.
AI…should not be used in this way. Discovering more of the Universe. Exploring the depths our own world. Helping us deepen our own philosophies and maybe create new ones.
This…this is not the way.
You'll never win in anything.
I feel hollow and not hopeful watching this. I think I may already be broken.
"If you truly love me you would upgrade to the platinum package"
"The diamond package will save me from going to hell"
Is this not an episode of Black Mirror? ☠️
this is so sad :( I hope shes doing alright
Wasn’t this an actual Black Mirror episode?
I think there will be sorts who want this who won't really be able to handle it that well. Particularly when the grieving process hasn't come to its conclusion, where people might consider this facsimile to _de facto_ be the other person, insofar as their "new" reactions or words would be taken out of context, without realizing the difference. In the end, possibly doing more harm than good.
That's not to say I haven't thought about using the very same technology, but I also fear and am averse to it in many regards. The situation is a complex one, and I believe it has more than enough capacity to complexify an issue that has been dealt with thru other processes to a better extent.
Now, this isn't any sort of new idea. There has been spiritualism for as long as we've been thinking about our dead, the very essence in the word spirit there... Victorian seances, tribal rituals, to attempt to reach out, or have the dead themselves come back in a way. So I don't think the tech is altogether wrong in how many view this idea, and have throughout time, I just worry about its implications. I think it is vile the idea of a subscription fee to resurrect the dead.
Also, logically speaking, using some kind of jetpack or so isn't "not accepting" gravity, it is using a tool to work with it. Much in the same way this could be, but acceptance of death, especially of the one(s) you miss, is imperative. There is no immortality besides veils that might make us appear so.
I wish to talk to my deceased wife . :(
❤️
You can. Any time. Ask for a sign
You cannot. It is no longer possible. And if you do hear her, it's not her, it's a demon impersonating her to lure you into possession. That's what I heard. Then after they possess your body they tell you all is hopeless and you will never be free again, and try to drive you to suicide because they want to increase the odds that you are damned to hell.
After you commit suicide, and your smashed body is crushed under the underpass, they leave and follow you down to the pits of hell, where they taunt you continuously forever about how you were stupid enough to believe them.
This is literally what Black Mirror predicted
This is how people live forever. Uploading consciousness