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This is yet another reason why the CCP must be given immediate and direct, complete legal and many other forms of complete control without any interference whatsoever, of the entire U.K. rail network, given the huge success of the Chinese Rail Projects to date for half the costs and carried out in record time well before deadlines and this also includes suburban rail projects - the U.K. government and the too-powerful U.K. trade unions in partnership with each other have been deliberately holding back rail progress in the entire U.K. - what we have at the moment is fares go up, the service goes down and where the failure of HS2 is a prime example of this
@@Vanmanyo on balance, all other things considered, we are rapidly reaching a point in the U.K. where we will have no other option but to do so, regardless of any U.K. security concerns - my native Republic of Ireland is rapidly been taken over by the CCP in many respects “under the radar” in terms of national security and it is only a matter of time before this also happens here in the U.K.
As a regular traveller on the Wrexham & Shropshire I can confirm that the customer service was absolutely fantastic, the staff were dedicated and obviously loved working for the company. The food was always excellent, especially in first class. It really was a breath of fresh air and having to return to Crewe & Virgin when it failed was painful. Not sure a new open access service would work without the same staff buy-in and service levels
Dft and virgin killed Wsmr. Adrian shooter even stated in one of his books if WSMR had been allowed to hire class 170s former midland mainline or been able to order 172s it probably still be running. Marylebone probably wasn't a ideal terminus The new open access operator probably using 222s serving Euston would probably do well
"Track Access Agreements" and Station Stops should NEVER be combined to allow one TOC an advantage over the other. The whole point of "Public Transport" is to serve ALL the Public, not certain members. We have seen this in other areas where some services are not allowed to call at principal stations on the ECML (for example). Looks like the Wrexham - London link is being revived again (according to local newspapers) although the service will not run to Marylebone (according to these items).
I remember they ended rather shabbily with staff being given very little notice. It goes to show that niche routes not from one major population centre to another are risky. It would have been far more sensible to extend Chiltern to Wrexham, but the British railway system doesn’t run on sensible.
The “competitive market” for rail transport reminds me of terrible stories from boarding schools. The toughest guys (corporations) sleaze each other to ‘win’ their position on campus (market). They make up rules (anti-competitive clauses) as they go, and beat up those not understanding or following the code (legislation). They expect blind admiration in return, and the head master (politician) thinks everything is in line with tradition… 😂
I do think the closure of the GWR mainline between B'ham and Wolverhampton was a huge oversight, considering it severes much of Wales and the West from services to the South. Perhaps a new chord at Smethwick Galton Bridge, allowing trains from the WCML to use B'ham Snow Hill would reduce congestion and allow companies like WSMR to have proper calling points and not have to use the Coventry - Leamington Spa single track line.
I worked for WSMR from it's inception until around mid-2009 when I went off to do other things. The team was made up of a fantastic bunch of people who i learned an awful lot from. I have heard about the plans to bring WSMR back but it'll never be able to replicate the camerarderie or the family atmosphere amongst the crews and management. It was destined to struggle with all of the restrictions it faced, but we all put our heart and soul into it nonetheless because we all wanted it to succeed.
Great video. It's funny that they call them "competition clauses", when what they actually do is *prevent* competition. The strategic rail authority in this country is a meddling, pointless joke, that adds no value for passengers, companies or shareholders. If a company is willing to use open access and take full commercial risk, they should be able to serve *anywhere* on the network. That's what competition *is* !
Interesting information about the new franchise. Living in Coleshill, direct services to London are not important to locals as we have Birmingham International only a 7 minute drive away plus we will have the new HS2 Birmingham Interchange station very close also.
I would be interested to know what kind of person will be able to afford to travel HS2? I think it will be people whose fares will be payed for by their employer thus increasing the price of the products they represent. It will not be for the ordinary passenger who wishes to travel between the Midlands and the capital. I just hope it goes bust. Waste of money they could've been spent more wisely but then our politicians are not wise.
I like the class 158 but i think it would be a bit too much on a near 5 hour journey unless they under go a major refurb such as more legroom by removing a row of seats etc.
This will probably be one of the best videos i've ever watched, but I don't know yet because I haven't watched. I'm certain it'll be the best video ive ever watched (once i've watched it)
I think that Heathrow Connect was sort of open access too but sort of a gray area a bit like LU,Tyne and Wear Metro and North Yorkshire Moors running on mainline track.Arch Thatcherite,Sir Richard Branson,was the nail in W and S's coffin despite his love of the 'market will decide '.... only when it suits him it seems.
Virgin Rail Group had said, at the time, that they were happy to compete with W&S, but the terms of their contract with DfT meant they *had* to object to the OAO's application. If another OAO is going to chance it's arm with Wrexham-Londinium, they might find they have an easier time of things; given DfT's seeming new found love for Open Access Operators!
With the recent announcement on stirling to Euston by GC the wsmr may not get approval due to space perhaps if hs2 was bulit as planned there would have been the required spacing
I used W & S several times because I could drive to and park at Tame Bridge Parkway in 10 minutes as against over an hour getting a bus into Birmingham. I have seen the new plans and if they are successful in setting up I shall use the route but only once out of interest as the route is no good to me. I see comments suggesting the mothballed TPE coaching stock but the answer will be no as DfT will not allow more Class 68 loco into Marylebone. A previous Transport Secretary tried to ban the existing 68 services and Chiltern said OK give us new DMUs so that we can take the 68s ot of service. Reasons W & S didn't make it. 1. Non availability of DVTs for a long time so had to hire two locos for each train which doubled the hire costs and the extra fuel required to drag the second loco weighing over 100 tonnes. 2. Route restriction requiring running over a freight route Aston-Stetchford with a 25mph speed limit and having to wait 15 minutes with locked doors at Birmingham International to allow a Virgin train to overtake. 3. Several times being diverted through Birmingham New Street so having to wait for a path and having to taxi passengers to Tame Bridge 4. Not allowed to pick up at Banbury for London so helping Chiltern over-crowding (although I have seen people sneak on at Banbury) 5. Wrong rolling stock. They really needed express long distance DMUs but Adrian Shooter, the boss of Chiltern at the time, said when he identified the stock needed they suddenly became 'unavailable'. 6. Chiltern were only partially involved in W & S and this was because they did not want an Open Access operator that they could not control coming into Marylebone.
I will miss this great railway company! It seam that if your a winner, like W&SR, the government drive you out of business; while if your a failure like Virgin Cross Country or Avanti your a TOC for life or at test until the press embarrass the government in to taking action.
Im from Wrexham, and bringing this back would be an absolute god send. Especially with Transport for Wales and its severe neglect of the north theres a huge opportunity being missed
Your impeccable logic could out-play the Department of Transport any day. They are the betes noires of the railway industry. The stopping points in the West Midlands (e.g. Walsall) have a lot of merit as they are large population centres and not everyone wants the tedium of going into a major city to catch a train. Well done Dan - another great job you've done well there.
Well then some stations wouldn't get a service at all! Franchises force companies to stop at stations giving them a service. Would berney arms get a service if an OAO ran it? Probably not!
The great opportunity is when HS2 opens to Birmingham. Paths to Euston will become available. Running trains down the former GWR route to Paddington (now Marylebone) was never successful north of The Birmingham.
I sometimes saw these trains through High Wycombe and it always bugged me that they weren't allowed to stop. Clauses in contracts, revenue protection for other operators, all very sad, as I'd have liked to try the service.
My two main questions about WSMR would be, which rolling stock would they run and how would they get slots in Euston? My suspicion is they would try to pick up ex-Avanti class 221s so they can run at 125mph on the WCML and they would need diesels for the route from Wolverhampton to Wrexham. Then Euston is already completely jam packed all day every day. Avanti and LNWR already use up basically all the available slots at Euston and Euston is one of the busiest railway stations in the world.
I do think that Wrexham & Shropshire open access franchise could come back and to inherit the Class 221 Super Voyagers from Avanti West Coast as Avanti West Coast have ordered the Class 805 Bi-mode IET AT300 trains. That are to be used on London Euston-Holyhead, Llandudno and Chester routes. And those new trains are schedule to enter service sometime later this year. Or W&S Railway to inherit the Class 222 Meridian DEMUs from East Midlands Railway as they too are to replace the Class 222 with the Class 810 Aurora IETs that are also to enter service later this year.
WSMR's website may not say much, but their listing says more, & I'm not holding out much hope for them! Company registered 12 months back, board of directors has had 4 resignations so far, & left with just the one director & a company secretary... They're owned by a company that's a little more promising, but have assets of only £2m & you'd think a company would need more than that to be in a position to set up an open access rail service, wouldn't you?
Yeah it seems very sketchy. I'm not sure what's going on really! It seems like they are in no way ready to start a service, especially for the hinted next year
@@VanmanyoShrewsbury are, I believe, having their direct services withdrawn so they could terminate there. Although the reasons given are related to unprofitability so possibly not.
if they could afford it they could use the 150s from tfw that are coming off lease though they need refurbishing. (id rather not them use a 150 but could be a solution)
This service was great. It only really failed because Virmin were so against it! Thank God they were replaced by Avanti. I can’t stand Richard Branson or anything with Virgin on it! As for pick up/set down only stops that’s just crap! I saw passengers doing the opposite quite a bit. I did it many times myself when we had them for a year, mostly in 2019, at Cottingley. Total stupidity.
@@Vanmanyo I couldn’t agree more. TPE do it at Bolton with some services. There’s no way anyone can physically stop you getting on or off, unless you’re in a wheelchair.
The failure of Wrexham and Shropshire shows the extent to which the traveling public got the worst possible parts of privatisation. With the insanely restrictive oversight of the DfT, and their bias to supporting the franchised companies over any sort of competition, negating any of the relatively few positives Privatisation may have otherwise brought.
Thanks for the suggestion! I can't sadly change prices now I've set it up! I could create a £1.99 plan, but then it's only a pound less than the current one! You can always donate a flat fare via UA-cam thanks or Kofi
If wsmr get iets to run on there services they would not only be a bad idea but would also make them even more of a clown the the people who took them out of service, ironic
I think the idea of running services from smaller towns/cities to London is a great idea for local communities and i know alot of communities campaign hard for old rail services (especially those too and from london) to be reinstated but they have to be realistic and ask why the service was withdrawn in the first place. Lets be realistic a lot of those routes to smaller communities lost money and altho i do think smaller communities deserve a good rail service how much should the tax payer subsidise that?
Yeah I mean Open access operators aren't payed by tax (hence why W&S ceased operations) but I just don't know how much demand there is for services from Wrexham, Shrewsbury, Chester etc towards London. Avanti are removing their daily Shrewsbury to Euston service because I lost too much money so maybe there isn't a demand sadly
Hello! I hope you enjoyed this video - do consider liking & subscribing if you did. So far, regarding the new WSMR franchise, they have submitted their application to the ORR: www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c04l159nzm7o
This is yet another reason why the CCP must be given immediate and direct, complete legal and many other forms of complete control without any interference whatsoever, of the entire U.K. rail network, given the huge success of the Chinese Rail Projects to date for half the costs and carried out in record time well before deadlines and this also includes suburban rail projects - the U.K. government and the too-powerful U.K. trade unions in partnership with each other have been deliberately holding back rail progress in the entire U.K. - what we have at the moment is fares go up, the service goes down and where the failure of HS2 is a prime example of this
@@michaeljohndennis2231 I think giving China complete control of our railways would be the worst thing that could happen to the security of the UK
China would just steal all the money like every toc previously
@@Vanmanyo on balance, all other things considered, we are rapidly reaching a point in the U.K. where we will have no other option but to do so, regardless of any U.K. security concerns - my native Republic of Ireland is rapidly been taken over by the CCP in many respects “under the radar” in terms of national security and it is only a matter of time before this also happens here in the U.K.
If Wrexham and Shrewsbury are to return. They could inherit the Class 221 Super Voyagers or Class 222 Meridian stocks.
As a regular traveller on the Wrexham & Shropshire I can confirm that the customer service was absolutely fantastic, the staff were dedicated and obviously loved working for the company. The food was always excellent, especially in first class.
It really was a breath of fresh air and having to return to Crewe & Virgin when it failed was painful.
Not sure a new open access service would work without the same staff buy-in and service levels
It's such a shame I was just a tad too young to go on W&S! It seemed great! I agree with you on the new WSMR. I'm not sure how plausible it would be
Dft and virgin killed Wsmr. Adrian shooter even stated in one of his books if WSMR had been allowed to hire class 170s former midland mainline or been able to order 172s it probably still be running. Marylebone probably wasn't a ideal terminus
The new open access operator probably using 222s serving Euston would probably do well
"Track Access Agreements" and Station Stops should NEVER be combined to allow one TOC an advantage over the other. The whole point of "Public Transport" is to serve ALL the Public, not certain members. We have seen this in other areas where some services are not allowed to call at principal stations on the ECML (for example). Looks like the Wrexham - London link is being revived again (according to local newspapers) although the service will not run to Marylebone (according to these items).
I mentioned this new link later on in the video so make sure you watch to the end !!
I remember they ended rather shabbily with staff being given very little notice.
It goes to show that niche routes not from one major population centre to another are risky. It would have been far more sensible to extend Chiltern to Wrexham, but the British railway system doesn’t run on sensible.
The “competitive market” for rail transport reminds me of terrible stories from boarding schools.
The toughest guys (corporations) sleaze each other to ‘win’ their position on campus (market). They make up rules (anti-competitive clauses) as they go, and beat up those not understanding or following the code (legislation). They expect blind admiration in return, and the head master (politician) thinks everything is in line with tradition… 😂
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Is it me or is their a pattern of the ORR/DFT playing a major role in most of these failures?
I do think the closure of the GWR mainline between B'ham and Wolverhampton was a huge oversight, considering it severes much of Wales and the West from services to the South. Perhaps a new chord at Smethwick Galton Bridge, allowing trains from the WCML to use B'ham Snow Hill would reduce congestion and allow companies like WSMR to have proper calling points and not have to use the Coventry - Leamington Spa single track line.
I worked for WSMR from it's inception until around mid-2009 when I went off to do other things. The team was made up of a fantastic bunch of people who i learned an awful lot from. I have heard about the plans to bring WSMR back but it'll never be able to replicate the camerarderie or the family atmosphere amongst the crews and management.
It was destined to struggle with all of the restrictions it faced, but we all put our heart and soul into it nonetheless because we all wanted it to succeed.
Great video. It's funny that they call them "competition clauses", when what they actually do is *prevent* competition. The strategic rail authority in this country is a meddling, pointless joke, that adds no value for passengers, companies or shareholders. If a company is willing to use open access and take full commercial risk, they should be able to serve *anywhere* on the network. That's what competition *is* !
Excellent video. I still have my official Wrexham & Shropshire mug, unused. Also the fold out launch pamphlet.
Thank you! Wow pretty interesting stuff, I'm sure you could get some good money for that on eBay !
Interesting information about the new franchise. Living in Coleshill, direct services to London are not important to locals as we have Birmingham International only a 7 minute drive away plus we will have the new HS2 Birmingham Interchange station very close also.
That's actually very useful information! Thank you 😀
I would be interested to know what kind of person will be able to afford to travel HS2? I think it will be people whose fares will be payed for by their employer thus increasing the price of the products they represent. It will not be for the ordinary passenger who wishes to travel between the Midlands and the capital. I just hope it goes bust. Waste of money they could've been spent more wisely but then our politicians are not wise.
Great video! Loving the series and genuinely excited when a new one comes up :))
Thank you! 😄
This is yet another excellent video apart from the voiceover glitch at 05:04 about the refurbishment of the fleet...
banging vid as always ❤
I like the class 158 but i think it would be a bit too much on a near 5 hour journey unless they under go a major refurb such as more legroom by removing a row of seats etc.
This will probably be one of the best videos i've ever watched, but I don't know yet because I haven't watched. I'm certain it'll be the best video ive ever watched (once i've watched it)
I'm glad the film was clearer than your comment about it! Ha-ha.
What on Earth? Trying to figure out if you're serious or no! 😄
I’m not serious, just out to have the craic 😂😂
Excellent video. I would love to see the ECML franchises and why it was so difficult for companies to keep hold of the franchise
Definitlely one I want to do in the future! I'm planning on visitin the ECML in Easter so will get footage there!
@@Vanmanyo sounds excellent
The superb food served on services was legendary, sadly the galleys have been closed since May 2017 and are no longer used.
Excellent video van 👍
Thanks 👍
Hi vanmanyo another lovely video as always.
Thanks!
I think that Heathrow Connect was sort of open access too but sort of a gray area a bit like LU,Tyne and Wear Metro and North Yorkshire Moors running on mainline track.Arch Thatcherite,Sir Richard Branson,was the nail in W and S's coffin despite his love of the 'market will decide '.... only when it suits him it seems.
Virgin Rail Group had said, at the time, that they were happy to compete with W&S, but the terms of their contract with DfT meant they *had* to object to the OAO's application.
If another OAO is going to chance it's arm with Wrexham-Londinium, they might find they have an easier time of things; given DfT's seeming new found love for Open Access Operators!
Nice one Vanmanyo, would you be able to cover National Express on c2c :)
Dont forget this application has the support of the DFT especially with avanti cutting Shrewsbury to London services
With the recent announcement on stirling to Euston by GC the wsmr may not get approval due to space perhaps if hs2 was bulit as planned there would have been the required spacing
hey you uploaded yay
I used W & S several times because I could drive to and park at Tame Bridge Parkway in 10 minutes as against over an hour getting a bus into Birmingham.
I have seen the new plans and if they are successful in setting up I shall use the route but only once out of interest as the route is no good to me. I see comments suggesting the mothballed TPE coaching stock but the answer will be no as DfT will not allow more Class 68 loco into Marylebone. A previous Transport Secretary tried to ban the existing 68 services and Chiltern said OK give us new DMUs so that we can take the 68s ot of service.
Reasons W & S didn't make it.
1. Non availability of DVTs for a long time so had to hire two locos for each train which doubled the hire costs and the extra fuel required to drag the second loco weighing over 100 tonnes.
2. Route restriction requiring running over a freight route Aston-Stetchford with a 25mph speed limit and having to wait 15 minutes with locked doors at Birmingham International to allow a Virgin train to overtake.
3. Several times being diverted through Birmingham New Street so having to wait for a path and having to taxi passengers to Tame Bridge
4. Not allowed to pick up at Banbury for London so helping Chiltern over-crowding (although I have seen people sneak on at Banbury)
5. Wrong rolling stock. They really needed express long distance DMUs but Adrian Shooter, the boss of Chiltern at the time, said when he identified the stock needed they suddenly became 'unavailable'.
6. Chiltern were only partially involved in W & S and this was because they did not want an Open Access operator that they could not control coming into Marylebone.
I will miss this great railway company! It seam that if your a winner, like W&SR, the government drive you out of business; while if your a failure like Virgin Cross Country or Avanti your a TOC for life or at test until the press embarrass the government in to taking action.
Im from Wrexham, and bringing this back would be an absolute god send. Especially with Transport for Wales and its severe neglect of the north theres a huge opportunity being missed
And just like that they've announced plans today to start again and running to Euston
Your impeccable logic could out-play the Department of Transport any day. They are the betes noires of the railway industry. The stopping points in the West Midlands (e.g. Walsall) have a lot of merit as they are large population centres and not everyone wants the tedium of going into a major city to catch a train. Well done Dan - another great job you've done well there.
To be honest I think most of us could do a better job than the DfT! Thanks as always!
3:45 well the paintshop was giving hints
Shouldn't every rail franchise be open access? Because that is what will create the necessary competition of privation.
Well then some stations wouldn't get a service at all! Franchises force companies to stop at stations giving them a service. Would berney arms get a service if an OAO ran it? Probably not!
Great video! Please do maybe London midland?
Does First Great Western Link count as a failed franchise, since it only lasted exactly two years?
Perhaps! Although it only got removed because it got absorbed into several different franchises! I can always do a video on it though!
Nice video
The great opportunity is when HS2 opens to Birmingham. Paths to Euston will become available. Running trains down the former GWR route to Paddington (now Marylebone) was never successful north of The Birmingham.
WSMR could possibly use the ex TPE mk5 sets
Chiltern are expected to grab them up! At least some of them, so maybe they could!
Will Wrexham and Shropshire come back one day and to inherit the former TransPennine Express Class 68 Mk5 stocks that CAF built the Mk5 coaches.
I sometimes saw these trains through High Wycombe and it always bugged me that they weren't allowed to stop. Clauses in contracts, revenue protection for other operators, all very sad, as I'd have liked to try the service.
Especially when, as in the case of High Wycombe, the other operator was bascially the same company.
My two main questions about WSMR would be, which rolling stock would they run and how would they get slots in Euston? My suspicion is they would try to pick up ex-Avanti class 221s so they can run at 125mph on the WCML and they would need diesels for the route from Wolverhampton to Wrexham. Then Euston is already completely jam packed all day every day. Avanti and LNWR already use up basically all the available slots at Euston and Euston is one of the busiest railway stations in the world.
I agree, no Idea how they'd get paths for Euston
*im pretty sure that one time I suggested Wrexham and Shropshire as a failed franchise was a joke, yet here we are now 😂*
I do think that Wrexham & Shropshire open access franchise could come back and to inherit the Class 221 Super Voyagers from Avanti West Coast as Avanti West Coast have ordered the Class 805 Bi-mode IET AT300 trains. That are to be used on London Euston-Holyhead, Llandudno and Chester routes.
And those new trains are schedule to enter service sometime later this year. Or W&S Railway to inherit the Class 222 Meridian DEMUs from East Midlands Railway as they too are to replace the Class 222 with the Class 810 Aurora IETs that are also to enter service later this year.
I just don't think the demand would be there though. Especially as Avanti are ramping up Chester services
True
WSMR's website may not say much, but their listing says more, & I'm not holding out much hope for them! Company registered 12 months back, board of directors has had 4 resignations so far, & left with just the one director & a company secretary... They're owned by a company that's a little more promising, but have assets of only £2m & you'd think a company would need more than that to be in a position to set up an open access rail service, wouldn't you?
Yeah it seems very sketchy. I'm not sure what's going on really! It seems like they are in no way ready to start a service, especially for the hinted next year
One thing I have to question is why specifically was/is _Wrexham_ the final destination? It doesn't seem like a very obvious terminus point.
Yes I agree! I mean where else is there? Holyhead, Llandudno? They all had London services by virgin anyway! It is odd though
@@VanmanyoShrewsbury are, I believe, having their direct services withdrawn so they could terminate there.
Although the reasons given are related to unprofitability so possibly not.
The obvious terminating location would be Chester. It's bigger than Wrexham, and has alot more connections with other places on the UK rail network.
Yep they are!
Avanti already serves there though
if they could afford it they could use the 150s from tfw that are coming off lease though they need refurbishing. (id rather not them use a 150 but could be a solution)
Bloody hell 150 from Wrexham to Euston. No thanks!
Most likely it will be class 222s unless they get hold f Aventis class 221s
Good
WSMR could buy 60s of DB and regear them but then you still have to find coaching stock
Can 60s haul passenger stock in service?
@@Vanmanyo LSL have 60081 and there on charters quite a bit
I swear your voice is so ASMR Lmao.
Is that in a good way or bad way 😭
This service was great. It only really failed because Virmin were so against it! Thank God they were replaced by Avanti. I can’t stand Richard Branson or anything with Virgin on it!
As for pick up/set down only stops that’s just crap! I saw passengers doing the opposite quite a bit. I did it many times myself when we had them for a year, mostly in 2019, at Cottingley. Total stupidity.
It is pretty silly in my opinion!
@@Vanmanyo I couldn’t agree more. TPE do it at Bolton with some services. There’s no way anyone can physically stop you getting on or off, unless you’re in a wheelchair.
Tbh I thought that the thumbnail was stretched lol
Haha no! Their logo is just like that!
The failure of Wrexham and Shropshire shows the extent to which the traveling public got the worst possible parts of privatisation. With the insanely restrictive oversight of the DfT, and their bias to supporting the franchised companies over any sort of competition, negating any of the relatively few positives Privatisation may have otherwise brought.
New video- Virgin Cross Country.
Good shout! check my community post for the next few ideas I've got - and so you can vote on them!
you should make a 1.99 youtube member plan
Thanks for the suggestion! I can't sadly change prices now I've set it up! I could create a £1.99 plan, but then it's only a pound less than the current one! You can always donate a flat fare via UA-cam thanks or Kofi
Chiltern wanted the stock for their services
Yep, that wasn't the reason for W&S's demise though
@@Vanmanyo It was a shame as it was a good service.
Except they didn't go bankrupt, they just realised that they'd never make a profit
Yep true! Bankrupt does make a video more enticing for viewers but I do mention how they dissolved because they knew they couldn't make a profit!
If wsmr get iets to run on there services they would not only be a bad idea but would also make them even more of a clown the the people who took them out of service, ironic
IETs are dead expensive at the moment! I doubt they would even be able to afford them!
I think the idea of running services from smaller towns/cities to London is a great idea for local communities and i know alot of communities campaign hard for old rail services (especially those too and from london) to be reinstated but they have to be realistic and ask why the service was withdrawn in the first place. Lets be realistic a lot of those routes to smaller communities lost money and altho i do think smaller communities deserve a good rail service how much should the tax payer subsidise that?
Yeah I mean Open access operators aren't payed by tax (hence why W&S ceased operations) but I just don't know how much demand there is for services from Wrexham, Shrewsbury, Chester etc towards London. Avanti are removing their daily Shrewsbury to Euston service because I lost too much money so maybe there isn't a demand sadly
Bring back British Rail and let the customer dictate the service
When did the customer EVER dictate the service under British Rail?
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I wouldn't get that excited but fair enough
Sorry to be such a bore, but a lot of that photography was pretty sketchy.
I do apologise that I wasn't old enough to be able to get footage of Wrexham and Shropshire so had to rely on other people's footage!
Nice One As Always 👍 Also Could You Do a Video On ONE Anglia/National Express East Anglia In The Future?
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