How DuckTales just FIXED the Donald/Daisy Relationship
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Hold up-so Donald and Daisy are a couple I can genuinely ship now 'cause they’re no longer toxic asf?
Damn right.
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Holy smokes, this video blew up!
I legit can't thank you guys enough for the support. I didn't even plan on making this video initially. I was just on a shipping high lmao.
Ye
ToonStarterz u you need a lot more subscribers. And honestly you could make it
Dudee sameee! Pretty sure I screenshotted every cute moment with them and just squealed half the time of hapiness. I too ship them ... a lot-^-""
Maybe you could talk about fandoms. I was thinking about fandoms in my videos.
ToonStarterz life is like a hurricane just like this video
Let’s not forget how Ducktales move Daisy away from being a “mean girl” but to someone who actually has depth. She was genuinely nice to the people she works with, like when she defends that one waitress from her boss.
Gia Hy Pham this remake really kicks ass in that regard. This version of Daisy is better and more complex, the nephews are more complex, Webby is more complex etc. this show does what few remakes seem to do. I genuinely think this remake has some of the best versions of these characters that we’ve seen
@@ryancarter2959 what about launchpad or the butler?
I hope the nephews aren't made to constantly look stupid in order to make Webby look empowered.
It is Disney and modern afterall.
Gambit771 Watch the show, Webby kicks ass but so do the triplets, no character is treated better than any other character and they all have strengths and weaknesses, it’s wonderful
@@pumpkinoligarchy6626 triplet even having personality like quackpack and not side character like other series where them only following donald and repeat each other
Gambit771 launchpad may be “stupid”, but he’s had plenty of moments to shine as the kind soul he is. there was a recent episode this season focused on him and dewey’s friendship and it gave a lot of good insight into launchpad as a character. although he’s not the smartest, he genuinely cares for the people in his life and will do anything to keep them safe. and its not like there aren’t smart male characters in the show, huey is INCREDIBLY intelligent and hardworking despite being a kid. he knows so much about the world around him and constantly wants to learn more. we also have gyro who, despite his standoffish personality, is also incredibly intelligent and hardworking! there’s plenty of intelligent male characters and they are NOT made out to be less intelligent than the female characters, that’s such a stupid arguments
also the butler? really? he’s a barely used side character at best, and you used him instead of anyone else to defend your argument?
Ducktales really be out here fixing some toxic relationships, and giving us some wholesome
This and the BOYD episode have been based as fuck, not gonna lie.
Let's hope they aren't making make characters to be weak and always at fault, constantly assaulted by female characters and too afraid to stand up to them because of the usual feminist female empowerment crap.
Would be nice to see strong make characters for once not taking any shit from female ones.
What about me boy launchpad?!
@@Gambit771 well there is fenton who called gandra out for being a hypocrite in "the dangerous chemistry of gandra dee" and donald who yelled in glamour face and told glamour to sit down in "louie's eleven"
@@duckyluv7752 and did they have to suffer any consequences for that as is par the course for male characters that stand up for themselves around females.
Wait ,wait hold up! Donald has a raspy voice?
I just figured Donald was just a mash up of speaking and quacking.
I didn't even knew the term "raspy voice" existed until now
Caroline Lutz well I have a raspy voice
Marge Simpson has a raspy voice
@@the-nina-beans88 oh my god I just searched the translation of Raspy voice in my language and it's such a basic term I must seem so dumb oml
The-Nina-Beans it is supposed to be a mix of talking and quacking
I have a raspy voice actually heh-^-"" people compliment it though soo yeah
At this point it's just acceptable to say that the reboot is better than the orignal.
(Oh wow, 1K likes. I didnt expect this to be popular, I just wanted to prove a point.)
Well... no
That is your honest opinion, and that's okay!
Also I didn't say "required", I said "acceptable".
People have different prefrences, whether they like the orignal or the reboot is up to them.
I can't really argue against that. I respect the original for what it is, but I'm also not nostalgia blind to it. I never watched it as a kid so I'm not emotionally attached to it, other than the fact Scrooge was voiced by Alan Young and Huey, Dewey, and Louie, (and Webby) were all voiced by Russi Taylor for as long as I can remember.
I’ve thought the reboot is better since the first airing episodes. I loved the original as a kid. This one is funny and has a good story. I am unable to re watch the old show like I can the reboot.
The producers have confirmed this relationship going forward will be less toxic. I like that idea.
Same
I’m your 1k like :)
I think and hoped this will be the best nicest most understanding caring likable and sympathetic incarnation of daisy ever
NOICE UwU
@@sweetenlemons8659 lereteeeleeeeeeereerereeerlllelllel)3)33)3)33))3)3)e56)66)535366)6)5366333535
"Daisy didn't break your party, she *saved* it. So SIT. D O W N ."
God that scene was freaking gold.
I loved it!
Did you rub my lamp? Did you wake me up? You’re getting your wishes so SIDDOWN!
-genie 1992
When people hear Donald voice
Everyone: ;-; wut the heck did that duck just say
Daisy: He is a man with words of a demigod
Lenora Nuusila that meme makes sense
He is speaking the language og Gods.
i like his voice lol
@@bondageboots7796 Saaame. Except when he's extra flustered and angry, but I suspect those times I can't understand every word is just nonsense grumbles interspersed with things like "dagummit" that I do understand. I think it comes from having speech impediment myself and so growing up with a lot of classmates that had it too in our therapy sessions.
I understand Donald nearly all the time.
In Donald duck's defense he was in the military and sent basically a suicide mission. So he might have some untreated ptsd.
scuse me? plz explain cause i've never heard of this????
@@xero9ravity150 watch old Donald duck cartoons from ww2 or there is every a video summarizing it from Death Battle
Finally someone who gets it!
You do realize that they don't follow that continuity from 40's right?
and Donald Duck from 40's isn't the same version like the modern one both on character and backstory.
Nick Jr.
he could still have been in the military (or at least the navy) at some point during his life
I won't lie but when daisy clarifies she can understand donald despite his speech impediment i actually felt something.
I don't fully know why but maybe it's the way she says it. So naturally instead of sounding preachy like there's some subtle message of liking somebody despite whatever handicaps they have. Or because it's donald and daisy so they have to like each other no matter what.
It's neither of those. It feels like their conversation could've happened between any other characters and that it's not exclusive to just daisy and donald.
Natural.
(I normally hate seeing people say how surprised they are when they get at least 1k or more likes on a comment. But now i know how it feels since this is legit the first time it's happened to me. I truly didn't think many people would agree with me. And i wasn't sure if calling it natural was the best way to describe it but now i see it was.)
Same.
Give that voice director an Emmy
Which is why I love natural relationships in films and shows, because it seems like a real relationship between two very real people.
Relationships that are forced, or exist just so that the guy can get the girl, or two gay guys that exist solemnly to be gay and married and that’s the extent of their characters are the reasons why I don’t like literally every love story out there.
50 Shades of Grey is a prime example of a forced, non-natural relationship. And I doubt I have to say anything to further my point about that film.
I agree, well said!
You want my honest opinion? I think DT is highly disparaging to Donald's speech impediment and speech impediments as a whole, and Daisy's reaction to him only makes him worse
It's played for laughs the entire time. The amount of times Donald has been not understood and mocked for his voice by his sister, his uncle who is essentially his dad, and even his nephews who are practically his sons is depressing. He's left in a depressive state hoping that his voice could get change because no one supports him and openly are sadistic to him over it. Daisy didn't even see his voice as him, but mishears him for someone who he's not.
It's bizarre for a show who claims it's supporting disabilities with Della to mock speech impediments. And it's to the point Donald's voice actor Tony Anselmo has come out publicly with major dislike for the series and how the creators treat him and how he does his voice
The characters in Legend of the Three Caballeros support him way more then anyone in Ducktales ever has, and they make him feel natural by understanding what he says and never bringing up his voice disclarity to him. It's another reason ever person I've talked to who watched both prefer Caballeros immensely. His voice shouldn't be used to "mock" as a "joke"
I can´t wait to see this new Daisy interact with Della, is Della gonna be an overprotective sister? or is she gonna be happy about having another female in the crew? since Webby is to young and Beakly is more of a mother figure
We can only wait
Is Dela going to try steal Donald's girlfriend is the real question here
YEEEEES exactly what I want to see too! Even if it's just Della sharing embarrassing stories about him or being surprised by the fact that Daisy loves Donald's voice. She'd probably tease her brother, that'd be adorable
@@safidraws nah she's a sweetie c'mon she wouldn't steal her brother's date
*OVER PROTECTIVE SISTER OVER PROTECTIVE SISTER*
My first thought was definitely overprotective sister. If they do an episode where they meet she'll pretend to hate her guts just cause she's jealous of her brother 100%
Ducktales original: "ha, good luck measuring up to me"
Ducktales reboot: "the bar wasn't exactly set high."
I can't go back to watching the original Ducktales after getting into the reboot. Just about everything from the characters to the story line blows the original out of the water.
Yeee
A sea monster ate your ice cream.
@@DdangerdanI can’t either, but the first Ducktales I watched was 2017 and I couldn’t bear to watch the 1987 version. And I can’t stand Scrooge from the 2013 Ducktales Remaster Wii U game, he’s unbearably rude and misogynistic compared to 2017’s Scrooge
I totally agree, this is the most healthy I've seen Donald and Daisy behave.
Plus, we now know why she doesn't question his speech impairment; she's the only one who can understand him. This was even more surprising than when Goku and Vegeta revealed why they married Chi-Chi and Bulma
I know why Goku did...he promised to as a kid without understanding what it was. Vegeta however, i have no idea.
@@ssjup81 What I meant was on here, we understand now why Daisy seems so drawn to Donald; it's because she can actually understand him.
But what about Chi-Chi and Bulma; if all they do is nag at their husbans and call them bums, why are they still with 'em
sadlobster1 Chichi's nagging at Goku felt a bit warranted to me. She wanted Gotham to focus on academics, not fighting. In normal society, having an education was important. Iirc, Toriyama wrote her this way to represent the stereotypical overbearing Asian parent who wants her child to focus on schooling. I don't recall Chichi calling Goku such names...unless it was a dub thing or either it was so rare I'm just not remembering. Seems when she was upset with Goku, it was always for a semi legit reason. It's still interesting how Chichi became slightly more lax after Goku was killed...the second time. She wasn't as obsessed with education for the boys and even trained Goten.
I don't recall a thing about Bulma and Vegeta or much of their interactions.
Aren't Saiya-jin men drawn to strong females? Bulma takes no mess and is headstrong. Chichi, before Z, was recognized as the strongest female in the world.
@@ssjup81 In regards to Chi-Chi calling Goku such names, it happened during the dub of the Buu Saga; right when he, Gohan and (mind-controlled) Vegeta appeared on the tournament ring.
As for her and Bulma being strong-willed, I always felt such a trait was wasted on them. Strong-willed females are often known to be leaders or warriors and those two don't feel like either side.
Now...Daisy within the Ducktales reboot, SHE is how you do a strong-willed female and so is Della
sadlobster1 I think bulma fits as the no nonsense business woman kinda way like I’m the leader of a face conglomerate kinda thing and I’ll eat ya
Finally, a female character that isn't written to be better than the man in every way possible! This is how you write a character. Their flaws only bring out the best qualities in them.
Hopefully season 4 is spared from those idiots!
Wtf are you talking about
@@cannabishornliu6119 laughs in cancelation
@@aradiamegido7040 frl, bitches be seeing any female character tht has an ounce of strength more than the main cast and get all up in arms screaming "SJW PANDERING!!!"
@@nessmarie6044 I disagree. Writing a strong female character is easier by making males incompetent by comparison, which is what many writers immediately do.
Along with fixing daisy and Donald’s relationship I just really love how they gave daisy more goals in life like the fashion designer part she could actually be a role model to children and adults now!
And if they’ll ever finish out s3 vs leaving it on the christmas special? It is SO Important for young girls to see that girls/adult women can be BOTH/Either Gender NonConforming (Della) or Very Femme (Daisy)
Like, it is Incredible what they’ve already done with Webby and Beakly, and then gave Webby female friends with Lena and Violet. But, there is such pressure on girls to be “traditionally feminine” while ALSO mocking “traditional femininity” and...both are okay. It really is okay to be one or the other or even both.
Donald: *speaks with raspy voice*
Daisy: he’s speaking the language of gods
LMAO-
They went from a Malachite to a Garnet if ya know what I mean. (Ok, maybe not that unhealthy.)
*thumbs up*
-A steven universe fan
gotcha
At best a dysfunctional Opal (remember those days?) to a Garnet.
Yee boi
I get it
Oh my-👌🏾
Dude the relationship in the comics is super toxic, Daisy is constantly leaving Donald for Gladstone and then ditches him once Donald has won her back.
Like, in one of the stories she legit ditches Donald while on a date with him because they meet Gladstone and he can get her into a fancy restaurant.
They don't even break up, it's just normal that she completely ignores Donald in favor of being spoiled by Gladstone and once Donald has won back her favor (often after risking his life on some adventure) she just continues on with him, often leaving Gladstone really sad...
Yikes whats worse is that Gladstone isn't just a random dude it is straight up Donald's cousin
Who gets stuck with all the bad luck
No one but Donald Duck.
Replace luck with relationship
@@CaliCosmicGal Im 16 years old and have been watching old ones like that when i was between 5 and 10 years old. And i completly loved it. Donald duck, Mickey mouse, Pluto, Chip and Dale and others.
P.S-->Also i can't believe no one liked for 3 months. Because English isn't the native language where i live I learned english from watching shows like Donald duck from Disney, Ben 10, Spectacular Spiderman and other shows between 2005 and 2015 and also older like 1990's spiderman.
Minnie seems super toxic too. I don't really watch Mickey Mouse that much but the first time the franchise introduced Mortimer Mouse (Minnies Ex) Minnie basically invited him to stay for her date with Mickey and kept simping gor him the entire time. In later cartoons she always leaves Mickey for Mortimer. Yeah, Mortimer always makes Mickey see bad first and Minnie always dislikes him in the beginning of an episode but as soon she's disappointed in Mickey she goes back to Mortimer. Like bro, if I had an narcissistic ex I despise I wouldn't change my mind about them as soon as I am single. It's no wonder that Mortimer always tries to break them up when she makes it clear that he had a chance if she was single. I am not saying his behavior is justified, it's totally wrong but he is a narcissist aßhole who's obsessed with her for some reason. What did she think he would do when she keeps leaning him on???
Daisy was so mean to Donald and even Gladstone Gander because she dated them in the comics for the wrong reasons. She never loved them
I have to disagree on the topic of changing Donald's voice, because it's been used sparingly in the very few episodes they've done it, and when they have done it, it's been a ton of fun and felt like it was done with purpose. The first episode, The Shadow War, it served a dual purpose of being funny to hear badass Donald thanks to Don Cheadle and also keeping the sense of tension Magica's attack was providing. And then the second, and so far last major voice change was in Quack Pack, which makes perfect sense. Donald wished for a normal family, and as part of that, got his wish of a normal voice. It was fun to revisit Donald's Don Cheadle voice, and given how they've only done it twice, it doesn't feel disrespectful to that iconic quacky voice of his. And then, of course, we get a great singing voice from Donald to illustrate how Daisy hears him, which just made that moment beautiful and worked perfectly to make their relationship endearing.
But to the point of the video, I couldn't agree more that this version of Donald and Daisy are the best versions of both characters and their relationship is an incredibly cute and heartwarming couple that makes me just want to see more Daisy in the show.
They also did a good job of playing to the rule of 3 with the gag. The first Cheadle moment set the tone of what Donald would sound like without his impediment. The second time enforced the idea by giving us what Donald wishes he sounded like. The third time subverted the gag by using a different voice to help identify why Donald's voice doesn't NEED to change, because someone out there likes and understands what he says and how he says it.
I guess what he means by "disrespectful" is that everytime they want Donald to play a bigger part in an episode they come up with a way to make him more intelligible (even young Donald in Last Christmas was perfectly understandable). I don't necessarily agree that it's disrespectful to the character, but I did notice it. But given that it's always so funny how they do it I don't really care. And because they went out of their way to show Daisy doesn't see his voice as a problem, but as a feature, I think it might lead to them not using these workarounds anymore
@@Shalalacls True, but Donald's also had big parts in episodes where his normal voice was on display. Like the episode where the group first met Storkules or the second season finale. Yeah, they also had Mickey Melon in there, but Donald still spoke mostly normally.
But yeah, they have given Donald a different voice when he's meant to serve a bigger purpose in some episodes, but not others. And hand in hand with that, some bigger roles he's had like Louie's Eleven and Moonvasion did a half and half kinda deal.
The problem is that Donald was ALWAYS badass. It doesn't stem from an intelligible voice.
ThePaganSun Yeah, but having a voice to back it up makes him that much more of an over the top badass, which is funny. Donald, when he has his normal voice, gets tons of awesome moments, so the Don Cheadle voice works because it's just done so over the top to make Donald basically an action movie star.
I like how Donald channels his anger in this show, the only time you really see him enraged is when his family is in danger.
Right? And they point out he went out to get therapy to learn how to channel his anger too! This show is incredible
Donald: "She's a thot"
Funny thing is, usually you'd be right...
I want to see Della shipping DonDais like us
And being Donald’s wingwoman
Azure Randomness I want her to tease him, but in a loving sibling way.
Wingman Della NEEDS TO HAPPEN!
How about just wingman the whole family?
I'd love see Scrooge and the triplets give him dating advice. That'd be hilarious.
That'd be hilarious. Especially because she would be terrible at it.
I said it once and I'll say it again: I grew up with Disney and the knowledge that those two were a couple, but it took twenty years and the season 3 of the new Ducktales to make me ship Donald and Daisy.
Daisy really is a strange Character. In the Comics, she constantly switches between Donald and Gladstone, sometimes has just as much of a Temper as Donald, can get extremely jealous, but can also be very smart and loyal.
I remembered that episode of the classics, Donald's Dilemma, it showed how terribly selfish she was.
I read a bajillion Donald Duck comics where she acts nice all throughout the story, caring and nurturing and gentle, and then, when they manage to get together at the end against all odds... boom, abusive nagging housewife that treats Donald like her personal slave.
The only exception was the 1984 parody, where she plays a captain of the government forces alongside Gladstone. When the rebellion against their version of the Big Brother (Scrooge) starts, led by Donald, Daisy dumps the army without a second thoughts ("You're right! That's it! I'm rebelling too at this point!") and knocks out Gladstone with the handle of her sword. It was amazingly satisfying.
yeah in the comics you really have to look out for who is writing the story because for some reason some of the italian writers are really fond of reltionship drama between daisy, donald, and gladstone even tho it makes daisy out to be a jealous cheating gold digging bitch (and donald and gladstone become massive d-bags)
@@TRCfangirl Its one of the reasons why I never really liked Daisy. She has some really nice Moments, along with the rest of Donald's Family, but very often she can be such a colossal B*tch.
@@johannesseyfried7933 ye but as i said if you look at the writers you really notice that its just some writers that really makes her into a Terrible Person™, and others makes her into Just Your Average Nagging Girlfriend™ and i think one of the issues is that they have never really set her personality in stone. its not that i dont want there to be issues in their relationship (bc that would make a boring story) but if they would actually take the conflict from their personalities instead of making up some BS with gladstone i would be very very happy. like example donald being overworked and daisy feeling ignored bc Don has to work so much fits their lives and personality so much better than daisy cheating on donald with gladstone for the hundreth time????
It's funny. The show also gave us the perfect line for use to use to express our feelings in moments like this.
"My Heart, IT'S TOO FULL!" -Webby Vanderquack
My opinion is wrong to compare them with Minnie and Mickey. The first is an incredible ideal, impossible in life. The second is the real embodiment of life with all the problems and human handicaps. But this does not prevent them from loving each other. Their relationship has always been tested for reliability, Mouse couple is not, they do not have roughness, which makes worry for them when a bad situation arises. Duck couple is much more reliable. This is confirmed by various interpretations, where they showed their love, devotion and care. For me, Donald and Daisy are not the embodiment of toxicity, but reality. Life is not sugar. DuckTales give them what they really have.
Александр Чистов the real problem with the Donald and Daisy pairing is that it is mostly used for the comedy of girl hits or blames guy trope and while the trope can be used and written well like with lum and ataru from urusei yatsura it is has been flanderize and used to many times and executed so poorly to the point that people are tired of that double standar an example of this is Sakura Haruno from naruto the purpose of Sakura was to be that trope for comedy but the problem with that it that it’s executed so poorly to the point of becoming one of the most hated characters in anime history people are tired of seeing this trope because it has become so badly written in most media’s and the double standards can be pretty annoying and there is the concern about how these relationships are normalizing male abused so the problem is the execution and duck tales 2017 execution was a smart move
That's fair, I agree with what you said about Mickey and Minnie, but the problem with Daisy and Donald is that they almost NEVER get along. It's more realistic than Micknie, but it's still not a healthy relationship.
@@uglyteethbakeryandotherstr7333 Again, based on many interpretations of these characters, my language will not turn out to call them unhealthy, if judging only by the comics, which have nothing to do with the main Disney universe, given hundreds of different versions, authors, publications and countries, this is unfair. There is no consensus and canon, but in the main universe it is. Although, even in comics are many examples of healthy relationships. For example italian comics publication. I do not take comics seriously, because this is itself a satire on society, and all the problems.
Now, Mickey and Minnie are not THAT much of ideal that it's impossible in life. I mean, I can think of a few couples similar to them. It doesn't just depend on the relationship itself, but also on each lover's personality.
@@carlacarrero4975 See, I was almost with you until you said that Lum Invader zapping Ataru Moroboshi with 1000s of volts of electricity for flirting with other women is one of the only good times the Disproportionate Retribution Trope was executed correctly without explaining why. Especially when the only difference I can see is that Ataru isn't interested in Lum and Lum never takes a hint, which makes it worse imo.
Also, Sakura hitting Naruto occasionally wasn't why people disliked her character, it's because she was a fangirl and was dead weight most of the time. While she evened out over the years, it wasn't until Shippuden where she grew out of it for the most part, and even then meme culture had done its job enough to the point where that didn't matter to most folks.
I literally cried during this episode and I’m not even a diehard fan of Disney or Ducktales.
That's factually incorrect. There are only two types of people in this world:
Those who are fans of the DuckTales reboot.
And those who haven't seen it.
*rolling my eyes*
Something I feel like should be mentioned about Donald's speech impediment is that, when it comes to the comics, the speech impediment was never a problem because...well, it never existed in paper form. It was only because of voice actors tackling the voice the way they've been doing so that the speech impediment was a thing in the first place.
Outside of being a show where all of the Disney Afternoon can co-exist, DuckTales is a show that brings together amazing talent to, not only bring back the magic of the old cartoon with new twists, but to also bring forward stories from the comics that had yet to be told on the small screen. It's from the comics where we found out that Della disappeared in space, that an ancestor of the McDucks invented golf, where the Bombie chasing Scrooge came from, and why Don Cheadle is brought on to voice Donald without the impediment: it's actually a reference to the Donald of the comics that inspired both versions of DuckTales.
This is definitely my favorite Daisy, but Quack Pack Daisy was also very well written and great as a character
Thank you! Quack Pack needs more love!
There are so many Donald comics where Daisy gets interested in something new and Donald doesn't have the same interest so she goes with the first guy that share her interest. Seriously there is one comic where she out of nowhere gets super into guys that drives motorcycles. Donald doesn't drive a motorcycle and the first guy on a mc Daisy sees she goes with that guy instead. So Donald have to learn how to drive to win her back at the end she loose her interest in motorcycles for martial art
Yikes. I'd say that comes down to writing around shenanigans and having inconsistent writing than maintaining characterization.
Wait does she learn martial arts? (And yes that’s all I care for)
@@CaliCosmicGal not that's the sad part. She doesn't take interest in motorcycles or martial arts just guys that does those things. AND FUCKING LEAVES DONALD for the first guy that knows about stuff she suddenly interested in
@@PhoeniksStorm ah phooey.
I believe Francisco Angones said that Daisy was his daughter's favorite character, so he wanted to do her justice.
I also want to say that Ducktales 2017 is proof that Daisy can be a really great character when written well, but unfortunately, years of sexist writing has reduced her to the "Bitchy girlfriend" trope.
She's actually been written quite well in almost every universe except the classic cartoons, the older comics and the beginning episodes of Legend of the Three Caballeros.
You can't really blame sexist writers for that. Donald was originally created to be Mickey's foil good attitude vs bad attitude, and inadvertently created Daisy to be Donald's equal in anger as well as Minnie's foil as a sweet vs sour dynamic.
@@spectralight8412 That still makes it their fault though. The difference with Donald is that although he can be violent, he and Mickey are both guys. Daisy and Donald is sexist and unequal because while she can be mean and sometimes hit him, he can't really do the same to her and have it be acceptable.
BUT I agree that in the more recent cartoons and comics, her dynamic with Donald is more moderate compared to the older comics and cartoons.
hahhhaha
When they portray men as weirdo losers that's mmkay but when they portray wahmens as bitches that's a sex-tism.
That's a great analysis on how 'DuckTales' reinvented Daisy, and what attracted her to Donald. As well as illustrate how much they have in common.
It was a genius move of the writers to have Donald and Daisy's romance start at Square One!
I remember reading somewhere that that's how Donald's parents Quackmore Duck and Scrooge's sister Hortense got along, that they fell in love during a loud argument after their first meeting, both were abrasive people who respected when people didn't back down, this is also the reason for Donald's short temper
Donalds mom gave Theodore roosevelt a stern talking to after heavily insulting him in the comics
Yea - the Life and Time of Scrooge McDuck comics show Donald's parents meeting. Poor Donald never had a chance to not be hot headed with those two as parents.
It’s amazing how one episode can rewrite decades of toxicity between Donald & Daisy! Growing up; even though I loved the characters individually, I was never a fan of Donald & Daisy as a couple for all the reasons you listed. Even in the new Mickey Mouse short, I didn’t like how they finally point out how miserable & toxic Donald & Daisy are together, but “hey, it’s okay because that’s just them.” I know Mickey & Minnie are the King & Queen of Disney. We all love them & their relationship, but Donald & Daisy are their best friends + Disney mascots and should be likable as a couple too! They don’t have to be exactly like Mickey & Minnie, but should showcase a healthy relationship in their own style. All I can say is it’s about time Disney fixed this.
I want an episode where they get into a large but not overtly huge fight and resolve it like civil humans- I mean ducks.
I adore Daisy's new design! It has the retro look that keeps her true to her roots, but it's super cute in an updated way. 10/10
I love this relationship so much, it warms my dead heart.
I love couples that the audience knows are gonna get together, but there's a fresh take on the relationship/characters and added wholesomeness!! This was a great episode. I also liked the small subplot of Loui and Dewey's trusting each other thing. They always seemed to have that slytherin/gryffindor dynamic that was generally positive because they care about each other, but Loui always seemed more cautious and down to earth while Dewey was an impulsive danger magnet. It makes sense that Loui would be concerned to trust him when Dewey can sometimes take things too far. Anyways, cool sibling character development. Cute Donsy!
I’m glad that they are changing Daisy so she isn’t a toxic character, but it also would have been nice to have the show take a stance and talk about abusive relationships, and show that a female can also be toxic and abusive. I’m saying this as a female who watched her best friend be stuck in a toxic relationship, where everyone tells him that it was ok, because she’s a girl. And he went with it. I mean he finally broke up with her a good while back, but it would have been nice if he and others learned about this better.
Like, they could, but not with such a beloved character, it would ruin her just for the message, but they could definitely.do it with a villain eventually
I undestand what you mean but they would never portrait a co-protagonist like Daisy as a repudiable villain, because they have to a) canonically keep her as Donald's romance interest to fuel nostalgia and b) sell Daisy merchandise. So the logical way to go was to fix Daisy, not to make her an antagonist or replace her.
@@softbread2073 That's a good point. It's weird, because the super talented people working on Duck Tales 2017 have REALLY good heads on their shoulders, but the characters they're playing with have nearly a century of history and sentimentality, so they have tp be careful. Characters like Della or Gyro have way less on-screen history, so they can get remodeled without many obstacles, and the triplets & Webby are kids, so they're allowed to be flawed and they get to learn and evolve. But Daisy is DAISY DUCK! THE Daisy Duck. And that carries weight to it with the narrative.
I mean if they've done family abuse with Elena and Magica, they can do it with actual relationships I just doubt it would be Daisy and Donald.
I think and hoped this will be the best nicest most understanding caring likable and sympathetic incarnation of daisy ever
“Ducktails has the healthiest Donsy!”
Quack Pack: Am I a joke to you?
Wait really?
I haven't seen quack pack what's it like?
@@anneprocter It's fun. Not good, not bad. Just...fun.
And many other modern cartoons fixed their relationship too...all the way since House of Mouse (2000).
Ok, this (Duck Tales) is the BEST reboot of an animated series. Even defeating animated series/animes that were reboots like Voltron Legendary Defender, Yatterman or Gatchaman Crowds.
They are adressing EVERY SINGLE DETAIL in the Ducks universe!
there is potential they might FINALLY tell us who Webby's parents are since we only know her grandmother. maybe we'll even meet the triplet's father?
Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood and Hunter x Hunter (2011) want to know your location.
this episode is genuinely my favorite in the whole series so far. daisy is one of my favorite Disney characters and im glad shes finally getting a story of her own. and its also nice to see more of Donald. im extremely excited to see both of them in more episodes
off to visit your mother
Mickey and minnie ARE married But is SUPER private possibly for them safety but Have no kids or confirm have kids
I like to picture that they're married, but dont want kids, since they are secretly married according to creators
@@sydniespangler1332 ok make little sense why them don't have kids them just dont kids that all
@@spockslefteyebrow8327 well said!
I’d so love for Mickey & Minnie to be a childfree couple. They are like this perfect couple. it will just seem weird if they have a kid.
My theory is Donald and Daisy and Mickey and Minnie are couples who are dating but not married. Plenty of couples sleep together with no interest in getting married. That’s why you always hear the words boyfriend and girlfriend used with them, instead of husband and wife.
To be honest the whole point of them were to be the opposite of Mickey and Minnie and their humor was them getting mad at each other but they do truly love each other and can't bear to be apart but when they are mad they just say things that they really don't mean to say or do.
Not to be rude but it many comics when daisy and Donald fight daisy goes and dates gladstone for some reason
@@shipperina2213 it's ok. Wow this comment is old
@@shipperina2213 wait so gladstone was an actual character? i assumed he was an OC for the reboot. i’m guessing all the duck tales 2017 characters aren’t original creations either?
The way they look at each other when finding about things that are normally perceived as "flaws" though!! They just go 🥰🥰
Definitely loved this Donald and Daisy relationship. Just made the relationship way less toxic and made Daisy not come off as an a**hole. Adding more to her personality too just gave her more character depth which we love seeing.
I loved how they wrote Donald in this series too. They really put emphasis on his cautious, family oriented and laid back side. He is willing to protect anyone he cares for. Still loved he gave two sh*** about what Glamour was going to say and told her to just f*** off.
The only thing I didn't like was that the chapter ended the fan-theory that stated Daisy was the sister of the father of the triplets, making her their aunt and Della's sister in law.
The theory started due to the triplets refering to her as aunt in some iterations but now it is very likely that it was because she was Donald's girlfriend.
Oh actually Donald and Daisy have a way better relationship in the comics, Daisy is a lot sweeter and supportive in them. So I really love how Ducktales is taking more inspiration from it.
Except for the ones where she also dates Gladstone and doesn't care about Donald's feelings, I suppose?
What about the ones where she threatens to leave Donald for Gladstone?
@@itspronounceddie8129 Duck comics have very loose canon, as the characters are used based on the needs of the story. Daisy was created as "love interest", not as "loving partner". As a love interest, a romantic rival is in order - and to make sure you root for Donald that rival needs to have everything Donald doesn't have, so Gladstone is just perfect.
What we see in the comics is usually not a couple, but two people dating. One of them dating others as well - which is perfectly fine to do before it gets more serious, and Donald is usually well aware. It would be toxic for Daisy to keep both Gladstone and Donald on a short leash while never committing to either for an extended period of time. However, since comics don't have development we have no idea how long it goes on. Basically, every story could be the first and last one where Gladstone is on Daisies mind while in the future, she is Donald exclusive, we just never get to see that future since everything resets.
But who wants to think of parallel universes or time resetting while reading Duck comics? Our Head canon is just that it is a neverending rivalry, which is toxic, and the stories where they are a couple convince us that the rivalry happens while Daisy is Donalds girlfriend, making it even worse.
Since DuckTales allows for development, if they set up a romantic rival for Donald, it would be totally fine to play out that aspect at the beginning of there relationship (like, Donald asks Daisy for a date and she reveals she is already seeing someone, terribly sorry - there can be a competition, other guy turns out to be an ass, Daisy chooses Donald) but then they would have to stick to the development and drop that aspect going forward for her not to be a bitch.
(That being said, because she seems like a bitch due to the repetition, she is sometimes depicted as a bitch. But all characters are always a bit different depending on the story/author/time/location.)
Lol...no they don't at all. In most of the comics, their relationship is so much worse!
This version of Donald is honestly my most favorite version of him because this version of him is more responsible and actually uses his anger for a greater purpose.
Things I've seen/heard show a non-abusive Donsy relationship:
DuckTales 2017
Quack Pack
Both of the preschool shows
House of Mouse
Literally everything else pairs them in a relationship that's abusive on both sides or one where Daisy is the abuser and Donald is the victim.
The preschool shows obviously do this out of obligation, and Daisy has a totally different personality in them. Normally she's sassy and temperamental. In Clubhouse and Roadster Racers/Mixed-Up Adventures, Daisy's absent-minded, crazy, sometimes a bit of a ditz, and more of Minnie's sidekick than anything else, though her sass has come out before, particularly in Roadster Racers. In the Happy Helpers segments, Minnie, Daisy, and Cuckoo-Loca form a Mickey-Donald-Goofy trio, but surprisingly, Daisy's the Goofy in that trio as opposed to the Donald, like she is in pretty much everything else!
As for everything else, I'm going off of assumptions. I have seen the abusive relationship before and it broke my young self's heart. She sucked in Mickey's Twice Upon a Christmas, both to Donald and to Minnie. Most of the time, I feel that Donald deserves so much better, even if he is a jerk with anger issues.
Actually, most of the comics DO portray Daisy as toxic. As well as the classic cartoons, but in most of the recent stuff she still loves Donald and vice versa.
Quack Pack I watched when it originally aired and the relationship was amicable. They supported one another like a normal healthy couple. T
@@ThePaganSun
Oh! That's strange. One commenter said that Daisy was better in the comic books, but thank you for letting me know!
@@Yakkolicious Yeah, I know. They probably meant the newer comics in which she's better. But it's still worse in the comics because she constantly cheats on Donals with his cousin, Gladstone.
I just hope that their relationship continues to stay this way throughout the rest of the series. That it's not just a one time thing.
Disney: “You know... looking at it now, Donald and Daisy’s relationship is pretty toxic..”
DuckTales 2017: *Breaks down the door* “HEY! Want us to fix that?!”
Disney: “...Sure, Knock yourselves out”
I just loved the part while they are crawling through the vents and Donald sees his kids and then Daisy gets surprised that he had kids
Same. I also like the visual of Daisy standing behind Dewey and Louie while Donald is singing.
It shows even though she likes him, his kids are his priority and she's not going to stand in their way and is willing to stand with them.
Donald's song, 🎵I'll help you make a stand🎵
Their relationship goes both ways and I love it!
I don't think I can go back to the original characters after ducktales. God I loved the characters so much.
Ducktales 2017 is the best remake disney has given us in years
I would love to see the nephews (and Webby), Scrooge, and Della interact with Daisy.
When he was describing the toxic couple characteristics I immediately thought of lois and peter from family guy first
_"Ducktales" is honestly one of my favourites cartoon reboots_
This version of Daisy officially became the healthiest one, after watching the episode New Gods on the Block
I can't believe that the goddamn DuckTales reboot has a relationship hook better written than most TV series. We live in strange times.
Me: *sees Donald Duck achieving healthy happiness*
Also me: *happiness noise*
the couple were suppose to be complete opposites of minnies and mickeys relationship so it makes 100% sense from a character designers point of view of why they are together.
Its super cool though to see the characters are more “untoxic” or whatever you want to call it. Its nice to see where they are taking the characters relationship
As someone who's had a speech inpediment my whole life, this episode meant a lot to me wkhwkjhw
I have only 1 question. How Daisy put her shoes on?! Daisy has normal size duck foots right? How?!
Fashion is pain.
@@FiveOClockTea Oh god, she deformed her feet! Damn
@@mawinstallation6626 right!?
Honestly, they look better than the massive heels her older counterparts wear.
@@spectralight8412 absolutly. Her whole design is a lot better. But is she must squeeze her foot to put on her shoe.
You know, when Donald sang to Daisy, I think that was his legit voice. When fighting the sorceress, Donald was given a thing that thing that fixed his voice and that was what he sounded like. I have a theory that when Donald was REALLY little, something happened to his vocal chords that causes him to speak how he does, and I feel like Daisy some how is able to hear his original voice.
You know what? If there is a love story called a Duck love Carol, then it will be a story about when Daisy realize that she’s the problem and because she’s rude and selfish and she will see what happens in the bad future, She would change her ways and be a good girl. Then she’ll learn the meaning of true love.
With Peter Pan and Tinker Bell as the ghost 👻 of Love ❤️ Past.
Mama Odle the Voodoo Queen of the Bayou as the ghost 👻 of Love ❤️ Present.
And Rafiki the wise baboon as the ghost 👻 of Love ❤️ Future.
That way she’ll learn to be a good friend to everyone including Minnie and a good girlfriend to Donald.
And she might learn something from the past of how she and Donald met and why she loves him so much in the first place.
“Daisy Duck’s love Carol”
Peter Pan: Allow me to introduce myself. I’m the ghost of love past
Tinker Bell: (Jingling)
Peter Pan: Oh yes. And this is my little helper Tinker Bell.
Mama Odle: Hello! Some know me as the queen of the bayou, but I am the ghost of love present.
Rafiki: Oh right, where are my manners? (Laughs) Ahem. Allow me to introduce myself. Some know me as the wise old baboon, but I am the ghost of love future. Now my own question to you is “Do you know who are you?”
It’s like a Christmas Carol, but with love 💕
Go fanfic writers! To your keyboards!
I clicked on this because I’ve been loosely following the new show-I like it a lot, I just haven’t made it a priority to watch when it airs, I just see it when I see it. But omg how exciting to see Daisy finally here and her and Donald in such a precious, realistic and healthy light! 😭💖
I totally hear and agree with everything you said, you make so much sense and I am HERE for this show’s relationship to unfold!
Also, you’re fucking adorable, I thoroughly enjoyed every second of your video! You have a wonderful talent in the way you speak and depict your opinion and feelings on something you’re passionate about! Not to mention a beautifully edited video!
10s across the board, darling! You made me fall in love with you and I am newly and happily subscribed! 😄👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💖
They didn't just fix Donald and Daisy's relationship, they fixed Donald all-together.
In Ducktales, they actually provided an explanation for why he's so mad. Now...if only they could explain why Scrooge is so greedy or why Louie's such a cynic
I thought Scrooge was greedy because he grew up poor and had to earn everything he got?
@@azamonra Reminds me of Ebenezer Scrooge, in a way.
Which leads me to wonder...how could earning your keep lead to a greedy lifestyle
@@sadlobster1 Well if you've spent all that time getting rich you'd probably be use to the mindset of acquiring more riches and wouldn't be particularly inclined to care about other people not having any. You didn't and nobody handed you anything. that sort of thing.
@@azamonra Makes me glad I'm middle class
What do you mean "fixed" Donald all together?! Donald never needed "fixing." If anything, they're being inconsistent with Donald in sometimes making him be protective over nephews and go into rage-mode (which is true to character and which I love) but then others making it seem like he hates or is afraid of adventure when he's actually THE ORIGINAL adventurer. Donald was always a badass even in his earlier cartoons when he headbutted a mountain goat ("Alpine Climbers"), punched out a shark ("Sea Scouts"), punched a ghost ("Lonesome Ghosts"), uprooted a utility pole ("Cured Duck"), etc. And not to mention how in other universes, Donald is a ninja ("Maui Malkard in Cold Shadow"), a mage ("Kungdom Hearts"), a secret agent ("Double Duck comics") and a vigilante/superhero ("Paperinik/Duck Avenger"), and served in two branches of the military: Army and Navy. So technically....Donald should be hands down the most badass character in Ducktales but while he had his moments...they really need to make Donald's badassery clearer.
God, I hate this.
What do I hate you ask?
The fact that I only JUST found your channel! Thats what. You're funny, your videos are great quality, and its easy to follow.
5:52 I did not need to see that.
i do remember a vintage episode of daisy and donald where donald actually cured his anger issue upon daisy's request, while daisy was being supportive of his recovery. it's called "cured duck" i think.
Okay so they had Goofy they had Daisy so now it’s time to ad the big boy
Mickey Mouse
I'm pretty sure early on in the series the producers said they would never bring in Mickey Mouse
The closest we were going to get is Mickeymelon from Moonvasion.
@@zakabouelfaioud7653 They REALLY want to, but Disney refuses to let them. They guard Mickey with a passion and only the highest echelons of the company are aloud to use him, but the Ducktales team is too low on the totem pole.
@@ninjaxsam ... Yet they let the Disney Jr. writers play with him. -_-
I'm pretty sure I can remember more House of Mouse episodes than my younger siblings can of Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.
I'd say with how well this show is doing the DuckTales team deserves to be moved up the ranks and unlock characters like Mickey, Minnie, and Oswald.
* Also the bottom of a totem pole is usually considered the leader of the totem. I forgot what the top means though.
Well I’m sad now
Daisy and Donald from Ducktalea are just great together. They are the best incarnations.
0:21 My girl really out here with a Karen haircut
I wish there was an episode where Della, Daisy, and Penumbra had a girl's night out.
A fist fight differently would have happened
There is only one reason Donald and Daisy were together in the first place. Angry Smex. I wonder was Donald angry because the world hates him or does the world hate him because he is angry? Either way I would be pissed if no one understood me when I talk.
As a child I had a bad speech impediment- it was in fact quite infuriating. I got into a lot of fights- not sure if they were caused by the speech problem but it probly didn't helo.
Ever since it started, I've held that the DuckTales reboot is one of, if not THE best show Disney has produced in a long time. And even three years after it first came out that view still holds strong for me 😊
Confession: I ignored this show for a year until 2018 cause I hated what they did to Huey, Dewey, and Louie's designs and voices. Now I'm attached.
This incarnation of Donsy is for all us hopeless romantics who love character flaws/growth.
I liked that episode where they put a mechanical voice box in him and his voice was different. I found it funny because of that iconic voice and them changing it up and having reactions like that was hilarious.
I'm really sad that this show only lasted three seasons. It was honestly amazing and I really wanted to see more.
4:45 into an old animated short Donald lost his memory about daisy ,bur became the best singer in the world and into an other one he learned to speak with a good voice solving his anger problem with Von Drake , but then he came back to to talk in his quakly way when he found out about Von drake's Therapy bill . And in ducktales is revealed that is speech impediment could have been caused when he tried to sing heavy metal when he was a child . So maybe he could talk and sing very well but his speech problem is connected to his anger problem
In my eyes in retrospective the relationship between Daisy and Donald was realy toxic... i mean... it was not even a commited relationship. More... one-off-dating considering the fact she betrays donald more then one time with Gustav Goose.
I mean... that or they never were a real couple.
I usually like Daisy when she is not with Donald, like when she's hanging out with Minnie, and I think there used to be an adventure comic series with Daisy... But this episode is very very cute, and I am always happy to have me some Jose.
okay i love this donsy thing...but can we talk about the ocean's eleven theme of the whole episode like? HELLOOO YEEES!
Louie was on a roll with that scheme! 😁 They would've succeeded if he had sent Dewey or one of the caballeros in the elevator with Daisy. But Falcon Graves would've still ruined everything, and poor Manny was no help. They should've called in Storkules.
It wasn't until I saw this clip 5 minutes ago that I realized they who she was and how much joy i find in Daisy's design. It sets this show squarely in the 50s and it's such an underused design for daisy that it's really refreshing.
It also tells me that the disney toon universe centers mostly through the 50s and 60s but maybe theres an exception for mickey and minnie. This show sets a time and place. What's weird is hearing hughy Dewey a d Louis in there teens
Oh wow nice. I never did like this couple much even if Donald was always my favorite but this really might make them much more enjoyable to watch.
I also like that there is someone else there who truly enjoys Donald’s company since José and Panchito are not around often (which is a crime in and of itself). Donald could really use more people who appreciate him. I legit feel bad for him pretty often while watching this show (the whole moon arc and then no one even realising he was gone was super unnecessarily mean imo)
Out of all the Disney characters, I relate to Donald the most for his speech impairment because I have one too and i can understand how frustrating it is for people to not understand what I'm saying, and to feel insecure. Seeing this version of Donald and Daisy gives me hope to find at least one person whom can understand me and be a good partner to me, romantic or platonic.
I never felt invested in Donald and Daisy as a couple. Mickey and Minnie are cute, but they were always perfect. It never seemed that there was anything to be invested in.
But Donald and Daisy were annoying, so the mice were all I really noticed.
But in Ducktales...I'm actually interested in them as a couple! They're cute, they connect and it actually feels like they've got actual basis for their attraction.
They openly care for one another and I'd love to see this kind of characterization again in the future.
I joke with my husband that Donald and Daisy is a realistic relationship with banter. "You want me to bake cookies like Minnie. LOL, NOPE." But I'm now so excited to see Ducktales with this. Daisy is a favorite
*I don’t know why but there’s literally never been a time that I couldn’t understand donald* _(unless they purposely made him more unintelligible than he already was)_
I was happy when the show confirmed that Donald is angry because people can't understand him (I also loved that song) however I though it was common knowledge that they were linked by lack of communication?
When I remember them in cartoons they both got angry every now and then and even Daisy had her qaucking mad moments, and it was always do in some part to communication.
Be it being misunderstood by others or too proud to ask for help. Usually being misunderstood feel to Donald and being to proud to ask fell to Daisy, but they have swapped theses grievances before. I remember an episode in particular where Daisy was trying to order of find a specific item of and receiving the wrong color, style, or random items. It started of as just the wrong colour and she was talking normally for the shop to replace it, but as she got more and more upset the item got further away from what she was looking for and her voice changed with it until Donald came home and the item that she ended up with was something he actually needed (it was his birthday I believe) I never thought there relationship was unbalance because it was always clear that they tried hard for each other even though the stress of the day often lead to misplaced anger at first (and in the early cartoons sometimes left it at that for the, "you almost had it" punchline usually aimed at Donald but sometimes at Daisy) but as healthy relationships became more a thing, I found it more often ending in some form of, "Im not sure what's going on but I'm glad you were thinking of me" and something visual to show that the hard work wasn't for nought.
They were a match made in heaven like Mikey and Minnie, but I always felt they were trying their best and I always rooted in them for it. Especially on those rare episodes they had a common enemy and being petty together was my cup of tea for the day)
this daisy is nicely like other evil daisy and total control freak
There have been some comic stories where their relationship has been depicted in a good way, but those are definitely the exception. A Good example of this is Wintertime Wager by Barks, which is also where Gladstone was introduced.
PLOT TWIST: Dasiy can't hear right and refuses to wear hearing aids.
XD
I’m ashamed that I didn’t even know a new season came out
Donald: *defends daisy*
The whole internet: *SIMP!!!*
One of the producers mentioned that they wouldn't insert Daisy for the sake of having her. Only when the time was right, with the right story. And I think they did it
Also, kudos for Ducktales 2k17 for having Donald going to anger management therapy to try being a better person to raise the triplets after his family was completely destroyed and he was suddenly a single dad with no support and no job. This is the best Donald yet and I loved how they introduced Daisy
I feel like I'm the only one who can understand him even when he's supposed to overly inaudible.
Your singing at the end was so wholesome oh my gosh~ I loved it❤️ And you had some great points in the video, well done!~