A lot of people seem to be zeroing in on the (very small) shipping section of the video, so I'll clarify for all those who need it spelled out for them. That section is there largely to document a thing that happened. It was part of my experience with the show, and so to make a video about the show without talking about it felt incomplete. A lot of fans got told, in the last ten minutes of the show, that one of their main connections to the show was now completely invalid. Those people were obviously going to feel disconnected from the show after that. I feel that's worth mentioning as a thing that happened. The reason I bring up fan works is not as some sort of evidence of why the writers should have back tracked, but as evidence of why those fans would feel the way they did. Never in the video do I say that this experience was universal, that most people were shipping webby with the boys, or that there was any canon romance between them. I will repeat: I did not expect the writers to put any romance between the kids in the actual show. I say this in the video. I don't begrudge them for that, it is what I would prefer. That was never the tone the show was going for. These were fun little fandom shipping communities, and that's all they ever needed to be. Yes it was 100% fandom projecting. That's what a lot of shipping is in every fandom. I do NOT expect the writers to change the ending of their show to avoid personally disappointing me. But I do think it's fair to expect writers who were actively answering fan questions and interacting with fandom on the regular, to be passively conscious of that fandom while making the show. I don't think it should have been a deciding factor or even anywhere close to one, but perhaps a small weight on the scale leaning towards maybe don't do the twist. And with so many other things ALREADY leading the webby twist to be a bad idea, this is just another little one to add to the top of the pile. The cherry on top of the bad idea sundae, if you will. My MAIN point was that the webby twist, first and foremost, is a bad storytelling choice. I think they should have cut it for all the story reasons laid out in depth during the video- and as a bonus side benefit, they also wouldn't alienate a decent section of the fandom with the finale to their show. On a personal level, that loss of a ship is a lot harder to take when you go back to watch the finale with fresh eyes, and it's still a disappointing rushed mess with no build up and no follow through. Again, I felt it was worth mentioning, because it did happen, but it should not at all be seen as a central point in my argument.
Complaining about how a piece of media destroys your own personal headcanons, of which the show absolutely did not set up at all, is just kinda… dumb? Like I understand why you’re upset about it, but how you presented it in the video makes it seems like it’s this BIG deal, and that the show writers are bad people for “promoting incest”, even though you’re literally just imagining that because the show didn’t set up romantic relationships for the child characters at all. A plot twist messing up your own personal headcanons does not make the twist bad, and saying “it’s a cherry on top of a bad sundae” is completely untrue because it’s not a narrative issue in the show. It’s just your own personal opinion being invalid, which again, is wrong to complain about when it comes to the show’s narrative. And even barring that, you can’t expect show writers to always be mindful of their fans and never overstep on anything that might make them upset. Like, that’s a horrible way of telling stories in general. Again, I understand your frustration towards the plot twist, but you should have focused on how it’s your own emotional issue - not a narrative one. There is no reason to throw a bunch of accusations towards the writers “promoting the opportunity for incest”, with the only proof being your own personal headcanons
@@catdatwat9743 I'm sorry. When exactly did I say the writers were promoting incest? Or that they are bad people? Because um... they weren’t, aren't, and I would never say that. If anyone is taking that segment as anything other than a lighthearted (and yes, personally disappointed) chuckle at the insane situation our community ended up in, they are severely bad at reading my tone. For the record, I do think the webby twist is a narrative issue because (again) it has no build up, takes time away from already established storylines and characters, is incredibly rushed in execution, does not contribute to (and might even conflict a bit with) the central theme of the show, and ultimately feels like an out of place fan fic style twist. You can disagree with these sentiments, but they are the main reasons I dislike the webby twist.
What might actually make the twist worse is, according to the deluxe edition of the art book (which I have) - specially the "bonus" book that gives extra behind the scenes info about the show, the twist of Webby being Scrooge's clone/daughter (minor thing, but I wish they did clarify if Webby is just cloned from Scrooge or if they did something kinda similar to IVF to make her, since they never actually call Webby a clone like they do May and June - they call her Scrooge's daughter and descendant, and say she was made from him, but never flat out say she's a clone) was basically a back up? They apparently did hope for another season, and while they don't say what exactly they had planned for Webby, she was going to have her own arc, and the clone twist/finale we got was effectively a back up for if (and when) the show had to end before the crew wanted. Which probably helps to explain the lack of any real foreshadowing to the twist? Because if they got their fourth season, building up to the back-up twist would have been weird because it wouldn't let to anything, but because they didn't do the build-up just in case they did get renewed, the twist comes out of nowhere.
I literally started screaming and laughing hysterically when this segment came up, I've felt so much shame about this and to meet a former shipper in the wild is really so nice
I do feel... vague laughter in regards to this, that I then feel guilty about. 'cos... well, I shipped Lena/Webby. It's like 'I won! ... but at what cost?' ^^ While I got out of it with a tiny bit of luck, I stand behind the twist as not well handled, probably a bad idea even in concept. And I can sympathise with the ship based critique, 'cos... well, look not just at this show, but at Disney shows surrounding it. This isn't a new aspect to the culture, this is a wider thing about fandom culture: especially when a show has an ensemble cast. The only defence I can really give is that I don't personally feel the show ever felt intentionally shippy in any direction, but I could buy that I just don't recall some episodes or moments.
They never touched on that again because that was also supposed to have a reboot that was a spinoff on the DT reboot. And Disney said no, even though they had actually announced it. Then they changed their minds and said it would be a movie, then that also got scrapped.
The biggest shame about Huey's "Duke of Making a Mess" plotline not getting a resolution is that it sets up such a fascinating potential for exploration because it implies that of the triplets, Huey is the most like Donald, which would have been such a cool angle to lean into. We got a lot of exploration into Dewey's similarities to Della and Louie's similarities to Scrooge, so it's such a natural next step.
Yes!!! Exactly. It could be so fun to dissect that, and maybe also give Donald a chance to better understand and balance his own emotions in turn with Huey, or vice versa. Donald is *the* character of the duckverse, he deserves some focus!
Right!! I remember reading a ton of fanfics about Donald and Huey sharing experiences and learning to control their anger together, it would have been so wholesome to get moments like that in the show
For sure. It feels like Huey has almost no development as a character, and when they set up that plot line I was like "this is good, I hope its used later down the line!" Only for it not to appear again.
From what I’ve been able to gather, the twist of Webby being Scrooge’s daughter was planned from the very beginning. This was because the showrunner felt Webby was the least important character in the original show and wanted to do a cool twist with her. Even if they properly built up to the reveal I still think it would be a bad twist because like you said it doesn’t add anything. Doesn’t ruin the 2017 reboot for me of course (and I never shipped Webby with the triplets) but goes to show that even twists that make logical sense can be bad.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios That's what I've been saying!! At least she'd still be related to Beakley! Making her Scrooge's clone takes her blood relation away from her only known family member AND takes Daisy's nieces away. That's not satisfying at all...😟
Its also (possibly) another callback to David Tennant's time in Doctor Who. As there was an episode where the Doctor had a daughter cloned from his DNA.
Yeah the one thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I never subscribe to the mentallity of " the showrunner felt Webby was the least important character in the original show". Not everybody needs to be connected. There is nothing wrong with Webby being an Orphan becuse of other reasons, that can build her character in many ways. To be honest this makes all her character in the show seem like "pre destined" and I don´t like those stories. It´s as bad as "The chossen one".
i feel so vindicated by your mention of each triplet having a focus season but huey NOT having his own arc. i thought i was just imagining/reading too much into that fumbled pattern so i'm glad you discussed that!
@@ayanellezooman685 Yeah, pretty sure that Webby's arc would have been the final season in any case, but that hers should have been in the 4th, and therefore Huey be in the 3rd. The only semblance of Arc we got is that he should learn to not control life as it comes and just accept it, and then make his own plans according to the events.
It was really disappointing since Huey is my favorite of the triplets and season 3 just didn't really deliver on what I had been wanting to see for him
That’s always been my wish. I was so mad that Huey, my favorite duck, never got his own ending. He got regarded as such a small ending. It was trying to fit a webby season into one two part episode. Other seasons are great and the build up to the finale are also great.
i could see teen titans coming back for season 6 and giving starfire a focus season, but the twist is that the season's set in space. they leave the tower and city to titans east and take off to deal with some galactic threat that incorporates the tamaranian civilization in some way. we get 13 episodes twixt the stars, each character gets some focus standalones, we get some goofy ones, but starfire gets a serious through arc involving several episodes throughout the season like robin in s1, terra in s2, cyborg in s3, raven in s4, and bb in s5. season 5 really felt like the proper end, incorporating everything it did; but setting s6 actually in space and potentially after a time skip could give it the edge. (plus it'd be chronologically after the movie, so robstar being a thing would be a new plot element.) it'd kind of have voltron:ld vibes but with the titans. lol sorry if this means nothing to you.
Webby was always Scrooge's fourth niece, just as important as the triplets, even though she's not related to him. But with the reaveal that she is Scrooge's daughter, she rises above Huey, Dewey and Louie, ruining that dynamic. Bradford believed only Webby could retrieve the Papyrus of Binding. He didn't even TRY to convince Huey to do it, which means that the triplets do not qualify as Scrooge's heirs.
Weird, I followed this show from the beginning, and I never realized that there was a shipping angle with the triplets and Webby. I always saw them as family. They even lived in the same mansion.
I am in the boat to think it was fandom projecting. However, plenty of shows at 2018 or so grew to have "canon" pairings of characters. Although this show does it with nuance with Donald's iteration. "Canon" being more of a in the show dynamic. It varies on whether the status quo changed or not.
@Beebop02 it's so hilarious to me people were shipping these children with each other, only to be disappointed when it turns out that they are, canonically, not even siblings. But closer to aunt and nephew
It really wasn't that big as far as I can tell. I was a fan for a year after the show ended and barely ever ran into it. Most people stuck to shipping the adults. I occasionally saw Lena/Webby and Huey/Boyd but only so often and usually in AUs where they're older because shipping 11 year olds just feels a bit weird sometimes I dunno. I'm not going to pretend that part of the fandom didn't exist as it very much did, but it never intrigued me purrsonally
I’ve been in the fandom since the beginning and I already noticed shippers from the start. Probably had something to do with there being a lot of kid to pre-teen fans that love shipping and love young love stories. I guess you were living under a rock with that part of the fandom. Still weird they thought revealing the clone twist in the literal finale was a good idea.
I would have had Huey be the first to find out about FOWL earlier than LGD. I would have him solely be caught in a major conspiracy of FOWL and their involvement in the Woodchucks and Isabella Finch and the mysteries. His first major clue would have been seeing the robot mosquito in the opening episode. Then he would have caught the Launchpad's strange ramblings in a British accent in his sleep about 'conspiracy out to get them. I would have him go with Beakley and Webby and trade places with Louies in the harp episode. Then Huey tries to tell Beakley and Scrooge but they don't believe him- Scrooge because he believes FOWL is long gone and his ego- and Beakley is lying and doesn't want Huey to worry and get involved as she takes any suspicious details seriously and is investigating for more information before acting. Then we have Huey getting impatient (more of the Duke sides showing) and going into FOWL alone hoping to confirm his suspicions, only to get captured. Then from there, he has to escape without using the guidebook and learn to trust his self and channel his anger into strength like in the sword episode. Then from there he and the family find out about Bradford. That would have made the season feel more like Hueys in my rewrite.
I feel like we should have had this, or we could have had a Huey arc where he was captured by Fowl but Bradford actually manipulated him into helping them, and the rest of the agents pretended they were noble and just wanted to safely catalogue stuff. They would all validate Huey and his efforts and make him truly feel confident in his abilities, which would leave him on Fowl's side, and hed return to steal the journal from scrooge. Then I think he would end up having fights against his family, especially with his brothers (Fowl's resources and his genius would surely give him some kind of weapons/powers) with him being rational and mad at them for embarking on dangerous quests without realizing the consequences (similar to how he went off on Scrooge during Mt neverrest) or maybe black herin would find a way to make the duke of destruction a factor in huey's power? and with hueys help Fowl would end up getting all the missing mysteries, but he finds himself facing inner conflict, where he should feel happy for gathering together all the treasures to protect them, but feels like he wronged his family by helping their enemies. He then would have a some sort of identity crisis and possibly more arguments with his family, who still isnt able to convince him to leave fowl... thiugh they are unable to, so huey leave only to go back to Fowl hq and realize Bradford's plans to endanger his family. Huey would then realize the truth and realize Fowl only used him like a little pawn, which would lead him to unleash his Duke of destruction and fight off Bradford, only to lose. Fowl then succeeds in capturing the rest of his family, and it would beup to huey to save them... realizing his true self along the way. Idk... they definitely could have taken this route and manipulated Huey into helping them, because Bradford is a dark foil to huey in so many ways.... and the could have done so much with this if they made it huey season... but nevertheless... they did the best they could with what they had for the finale. (Despite a lot of unneeded focus on May and June for one episode!!! Like.., those two took away screen time from Webby, Lena, and Violet!!! The three girls were a trio that were a group with good chemistry that was lacking screentime to begin with, so taking it away from them in favor of two new one-off characters was a poor choice)
"We had an ending in mind but weren't given time to build to it" is something that several animated shows of late have suffered with, leading to a final season that felt rushed. Steven Universe rushed its homeworld arc, Dreamworks' She-Ra rushed its space arc, Netflixs' Carmen Sandiego rushed the whole Carmen corruption arc, all found out they were getting canned early and had to rush to their finales, meaning that certain character redemption arcs were rushed or that several seasons' worth of story got crammed into one shorter-than-planned season. I think it's still better than ending on a cliffhanger like a lot of shows in the past have, such as the 1990s classic "ReBoot" (which ironically has never gotten rebooted) and various others, or shows that run so long that they lose track of their story and run themselves into the ground, but it is unfortunate to see. DuckTales isn't the only Disney show to suffer this fate either, such as with The Ghost and Molly McGee not getting its planned third season and having to wind up its story early, or The Owl House getting cut short not due to ratings but "controversy" (openly gay characters). Unfortunately this is the way it's been going for a while now and creative teams do their best with the restrictions they have.
P.S. I absolutely understand that feeling of "a show I loved but will never revisit" -- Steven Universe in particular is now very much that for me due to a lot of the problems with its rushed ending.
To be fair about the Webby finale, I felt that same issue with Della coming back. Because while she wanted to be a mother to her kids, she wasn't *there* to raise them, but the majority of the characters all welcomed her back to take that spot and basically forgot Donald, who RAISED THEM, and even have him giving up his parenting rights of them at the finale-finale. "Found family" always felt kinda off-centered with this series. And one of my favorite things about it was Donald *being there* to take up the role of father-figure to the boys. =/
It is honestly very difficult to think how'd they write everything they planned into one single 3rd season. Huey, Webby, Daisy, June and May, the love plot, Boyd- that's just so much that'd need some sort cohesive tie-in that relates to the character development of both Webby and Huey. They would have needed to either cut most of it out or had to write it all well-interwined together.
I mean, originally there was supposed to be 4 seasons. Season 3 was supposed to be a Huey season, with a superhero theme, so that's why there were episodes like the Darkwing Duck special, Astro-Bot, and more and Season 4 was supposed to be a Webby season, which followed her and the entire FOWL storyline with May and June. i honestly really wish this happened, or the darkwing duck spin-off with DW and Launchpad.
'Kill your darlings' applies. Aka they should have cut a subplot or two. Or at least prioratized the subplots that already had setup done. Yes I am bitter we didn't get negaduck vs. darkwing- We were robbed! ROBBED I TELL YOU!
the shipping tangent is so funny to me because my experiencr with the ducktales fandom was exclusively around weblena fans. i had no idea people shipped webby with anyone but lena.
Yeah I think the “duke of making a mess” part of Huey’s arc was meant to imply that he inherited the infamous McDuck/Duck anger issues and was just really good at repressing them with logic and planning and list-making. I think it was meant to speak to how he copes with these anger/anxiety issues. It’s a fascinating concept, but it was not well executed at all! I’d give anything for a solid Huey and Donald B-plot where they bond over coping strategies and talk about how anger, if directed properly, isn’t necessarily bad. Also fantastic video! Thank you so much for summing up exactly why this show’s finale left me with such a bad aftertaste, which is tragic considering how damn good the rest of it is. Welp, if Danny Phantom has taught us anything it’s that fandoms will bend over backwards to ignore finales for the sake of their sanities.
The weak thing about season 3 is... Fowl feels incredibly weak. Magica was building up as a very cunning and terrifying threat, in the finale she ALONE conquered entire city and was so strong that only scrooge could defeat her because of his experience with her (and if you look at Lunaris board she was one of bigger threatsto his plans, statinghow powerfulshe is). Season two was building up to the Moon army, in one-two days they had entire planet captured and Lunaris was so intelligent he predicted every possible scenario that scrooge might have come up with. Amd Fowl? They appeared in some episodes being beaten up and in the finale they were defeated one by one by few characters each
It seemed like they were building up the Darkwing universe which is unfair because it was supposed to get its own show so it sacrificed too much of the original Ducktales characters and villains. Same thing with Donald. He's technically the original adventurer from the Carl Barks comics (with Scrooge being created four years later!) But at least in Season 1, he's stated to be cautious of adventure because of what happened to Della and by the Season 1 finale has accepted adventure. But then they un-do that to make him cautious of adventure again by Season 3 and with the same Don Cheadle voice he once used to rally them?! Huh??? They also give him one of the dumbest fighting styles (when again, in canon he doesn't fight like that). This show was so infuriatingly inconsistent with Donald, the times they chose to even use him...
I started to notice how I didn’t love the later episodes as much but I couldn’t really put my finger on why in a rewatch of the show I did a while back. I feel like this video well summarizes the problems I felt even if I didn’t completely catch on
I was like 13 when the show ended and my main experience was on wattpad at the time. There was A TON of Webby x Triplet shippers and while I was never apart of it, I had been friends with a few people on there (I miss you Alexandra! Where ever you might be!). THE WAY THE FANDOM THERE ABSOLUTELY FELL TO PIECES WAS BOTH SPECTACULAR AND TRAGIC. I've never cared for shipping any of the kids, I thought their relationship was purely familial. But it can see how it hurt people I cared for at the time and it was just. a mess.
I used to relate to Webby a lot, but after the reveal, I mean.. what're the odds of being a secret clone of your mentor figure that you were meant to have no blood relation to?? It really messed up the found family part of the message for me, and I was disappointed at that. I'm hoping it's just because they didn't have enough time to wrap things up after not getting a season 4.
Would have been better if webby just become an experimental character that is meant to destroy scrooge and not making her a clone or scrooge daughter like come on, it's scrooge, he's a father for everyone on the cast. Webby twist also ruined the inheritance of the family specially for the TRIO, not to mention scrooge relationship to goldie.
huey and webby were ROBBED!!! it feels great to have someone else express exactly how I feel about this show that is SO close to me. i remember watching s3 premiere and just slowly being more and more disappointed by each episode, of what felt like filler! It was legitimately disheartening to be a part of. To disrespect the character building skills of s1&2. this gotta be the best ducktales video essay out there bro.
That was a theory among some fans in the earlier days. There were also some fans who thought she _was_ Della after an accident with The Spear turned her back into a kid. Even after finding out what The Spear truly was, the show was still making multiple comparisons between the two characters. (Ex: "Coot", the Duck Cousin reunion in "Moonvasion") While there would still be issues like the whole...shipping disaster, severing the relations Webby/April, May & June originally had and completely glossing over the father reveal that people were ACTUALLY ANTICIPATING FROM THIS SHOW...I think I would have been more open to Webby being Della's clone. She'd still be an heir and related to the family...but I still wouldn't be able to get past the fact that the family already accepted her as an honorary member in both the reboot and the original. 😕 An adoptive heir could have worked... I've been thinking about how there could have been the _intention_ to clone Scrooge, but a mix-up causes Webby to be someone else's clone instead. Like Beakley's...or Pepper's, because why did they make them greet each other in "Fight" like that without giving her a deeper connection to Webby? 😭
All the finale had to do was give Huey his own character arc. In fact, Season 3 had 3 possibilities of making that happen. 1. Huey wanting to be a Senior Woodchuck. 2. Huey's friendship with B.O.Y.D. and his "robotic" behavior. 3. Huey's inner struggle with "The Duke of Making a Mess". But instead, the series finale focuses on Webby; who already had her own character arc in Season 1 thanks to Lena.
I honestly always found the twist about Webby being Scrooge's clone/daughter to be annoying from a mix of a lack of any sort of foreshadowing and the fact that in order to have Webby be able to find the Papyrus, they had to effectively retcon what Scrooge wrote? Because they establish in the episode introducing the Papyrus that it's usually very literal, to the point where Bradford was against using it because he considered the possibility that any wishes they made on it could be deadly if not worded perfectly. And in the episode introducing it, Scrooge says that only his heir can find it, but in the finale, they change it to "descendant". Because the two are not the same thing. Your heir is just someone who you choose to have inherit what you have after you die - both physical possessions and wealth, as well as titles in some cases. They don't have to be related to you at all. So with the original phrasing, it'd honestly be much more likely that Donald, Della, or any of the triplets would find the Papyrus, because Donald and Della are his immediate/explicit heirs, and HDL are likely also considered heirs of Scrooge via being Della and Donald's "heirs" by default (assuming Donald did legally adopt them during the time he raised them alone). And without it being established that Webby was declared/considered an heir, she'd actually be the least likely to be able to find it. So they had to change it to "descendant" to justify her being able to find it because she's Scrooge's daughter.
I personally have always viewed it as Scrooge said his heir, so Bradford's very literal mind could only think of it as a literal descendant. But, like someone else in the comments pointed out, that's why it didn't work for May and June. They're descendants, but Scrooge doesn't know them. They're not his heirs. He originally did this to get Donald and Della out of danger, meaning he considered them to be his heirs. My interpretation is that literally any of the kids could have gotten it because Scrooge considered them his family and legacy (like how he was gonna have Webby take over for him in Rumble for Ragnarok).
To be fair it WAS actually foreshadowed that Webby was related to Scrooge. For example the “From the Confidential Casefiles of Agent 22!” showcased the similarities between Webby and Young Scrooge, like both of them shouting out a battle cry before entering the cave. Also at the end of that same episode, in the same camera frame, Mrs. Beakly is smiling when Scrooge and Webby hug. Which I like to think is a subtle hint that she’s very glad that Webby and Scrooge were able to bond like a father and daughter. Another instance is when Webby starts acting like Scrooge in episode “The Forbidden Fountain of the Everglades” even tho she didn’t drink the water at all. I honestly really loved the twist imo and honestly wished there was more scenes showing that father/daughter dynamic between them.
Also, in the agent 22 flashback episode I mentioned, before the end credits roll the camera dramatically zooms in at the bouncing juice in Webbys pocket which only comes back up in one of the finale three episodes of season 3 when June drinks it while Webby and her are fighting.
This is because the show was supposed to have a season 4 that would focus on webby’s character. Meaning we would have most likely seen many references to her similarities with Scrooge, and seen her questioning where she came from. Though they did go into season 3 knowing there wouldn’t be another season, it would be very difficult to mix the season about Huey and webby together, meaning the season was largely undirected, had maybe 2 or 3 episodes about Huey, and the final arc of the season as webbies finale.
I honestly prefer it ending at season 3, it felt like everything was tied up rather nicely and adding a season 4 would just seem like them trying to stretch it out more than they needed to.
Something I do wish lmao people would casually mention is one of the people who worked on this is a woman named Emmy Cicierega- I would chance that most of us know who she is, even if her name doesn't jump out at us. I dareseay nearly everyone knows of her early work. Seeing her name in the credits took me out for a second and I had to double check that, despite the severe unlikelihood it was anyone else, that it was THE Emmy Cicierega who, along with her brother Neil, created one of the most well-known pieces of fan media for, I would argue, any fandom- the Potter Puppet Pals. I love how she just consistently creates things I love, and how she went from like, a teenager animating goofy little hand puppets to... one of the greatest reboots of all time?? Shoutout to her. I know that this may not be like... important or even valid because what I knew her best for is tied to a franchise we aren't suppose to say anything remotely nice about anymore, but I just remember feeling like, impressed at how far she's come from those flash animated puppets from lifetimes ago.
You mentioned how science-fiction doesn't seem to be a good fit for the Disney Duck universe, but there have been some excellent sci-fi romps with our favorite ducks in the comics - my favorite among them being "The Universal Solvent" in which Gyro invents a liquid that destroys all matter (or rather compresses it into hyper-dense atomic dust) except for diamonds. It's got the kind of existential dread you need in a good science fiction story. The April, May and June reveal might've worked better in Europe where duck comics are still massively popular. They haven't had much relevance in the US since the 60's however. The most clever the show got with incorporating comics lore into the show was using Duke Baloni as Glomgold's alter-ego.
April, May, and June are Daisy's nieces, not Scrooge's daughters, and that they are heavily represented in European comics, especially Dutch ones. No, the problem is how they wanted to present those characters, since they couldn't before because The Legend of The Three Caballeros series already had them and really made them awesome. Daisy was already introduced in the third season and was only in three episodes, and May and June were introduced at the end, as Webby's sisters, since Webby April allegedly due to the Dutch mistranslation of the dubbing in OG Ducktales called her Lizzy which is April in Dutch. However, the problem is not that they are clones, but that they are presented as Scrooge's daughters, so that Scrooge somehow becomes a "father", which in my opinion is wrong and totally contradicts Scrooge's character in earlier cartoons and comics. I'll be honest though, May and June in Ducktales didn't turn out bad, and they should have been introduced earlier and there would have been more focus on them. They turned out well for me, but I still prefer April, May and June in Dutch comics.
@@historiaestmagistravitae.7051yeah, you explained it well, my reason why I don't like the idea of scrooge having a daughter, it maybe a a good twist but it ruined lots of things on the different characters or cast.
You know if I am being honest, the third season finale, alias “The Last Adventure” wasn’t as good as the first two finales, “Shadow War” and “Moonvasion”. Moonvasion is clearly the best season finale out of the three.
If only cause Penny gets to do stuff and has lines. Her one season 3 episode was GOLD and it shows how much of a waste it was to basically ignore her afterwards.
My point is I feel like The Shadow War and Moonvasion were the only two season finales that had good development and I thought Moonvasion was the best season finale of the whole series.
Dont mind me, just gonna go on a little rant here. I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who thought that the ending was strange and kinda bad. It doesn't ruin the show for me, but it definitely took me a bit to adjust. If I had a choice in making the show, I would actually have Webby be this secondary focus throughout all the seasons. Because in the entire season up until 3, she's literally been the same. Nothing really changes except her friendship with Lena and Violet. I think it would've been more interesting seeing her trying to figure out HER past while helping Dewey find out about his Mom's past. Of course, it wouldn't be the main focus, but it would be shown that she definitely wants to figure it out. I feel like it would've been cool if she and Mrs. Beakly had a moment like Dewey and Scrooge had at the spear of selene episode. I'm not making it the exact same, but it is a parallel of the ending of the first season. It could've been slowburn, but it's development nonetheless. I would much rather have her arc be slow than have it be splashed in my face in the span of like 2 episodes (including some very minor hints). Another thing I wished they did at the finale was everyone getting together to fight. The finale was so Webby focused that it was kinda hard for me to understand that THIS was the finale. It honestly didn't feel like it, and it just felt like an episode that's just focused on Webby's past. I mean, I don't think the ending was that terrible, but it just felt very underwhelming. Because when the credits started to roll, I was both happy, but also asking myself if what I saw really just happened. Everything just felt so out of nowhere, and it's still a little bit of hard to comprehend to this day. But when it all comes down to it, at the very least, the writers did care A LOT about this reboot. And they definitely did not deserve to be canceled. I am glad that they did try their best, but they certainly could've been done a lot better.
The finale didn't even do Bradford justice. It looked like he was going to be a sympathetic villain. One that makes a good point of adventuring being too dangerous under the Duck family. But nope, he thinks mass genocide is the answer with no redeeming qualities. Even the way he's taken out is pretty weak. Season 1 had 4 kids fighting an evil sorceress in the Money Bin, Season 2 had an epic space battle, Season 3 had the villain taken out by legal loopholes. Shouldn't the Papyrus have been destroyed when Black Heron wrote "Scrooge's sidekicks will perish?"
Especially because the legal loophole was "family is an adventure" which is incredibly cheesy and, worse, Bradfort worked for decades under Scrooge. He KNOWS all that cheesy bullshit. You tell me he had all this time to draft a perfect contract and then it just gets immediately undone? Come now.
Yeah, I feel like suddenly making Webby related is like revealing Gosalyn was actually related to Drake Mallard all along (lol ignoring that Darkwing content was barely in Ducktales, you know what I mean.) 98% of the time it won't leave a good impact on their relationship; it would take a lot more time and effort to make it palatable which they didn't have within a two-part finale so I agree they should've dropped that, given Huey his big moment, and let Webby remain full of so much potential that people keep making fan content of her. If they had a chance, maybe a spin-off for that. I realize they probably didn't have the option since it seems like Disney wasn't invested in any of their cartoons. (Edit: I realize they intended a fourth season but I mean, since they knew it wasn't renewed, maybe pitch this idea for a spin-off.) Introducing May and June also just... ruins what her grandma told her, makes Donald and Daisy's lives more complicated, and keeps them at a distance from Webby, Mrs. Beakley, and Scrooge. I think April should've been her own character and SHE ended up switching with Webby if they were going to try and pull that off, then she goes rogue and tries to free her sisters once she's felt what having a family is like. That keeps those three together and makes more sense, especially if Lena and Violet and the boys suspect something is off about Webby but the adults are distracted so they don't listen for a little bit, just long enough for them to realize the imposter needs their help and stop trying to tell on her so they can rescue Webby, May, and June (with Webby not just sitting idly by either ofc.) Webby could also still be adopted, I don't mind that, but I'm not a fan of making it so she was lied to this whole time. I think it'd be more interesting if they weren't clones, just really good dopplegangers because that happens in real life.
If anything you can just pull a Danny Phandom and disown the finale, act like it is not canon because there is such a large jump in the characterization and quality.
It's not their fault Disney didn't give them a fourth season i appreciate what they had to work with and how the tried to fit everything they could, that being said they should have had F.O.W.L use nega duck at least like they used the other villains to at least get a lil closure on that
@@ayanellezooman685 There's no doubt that the cancellation had an effect on the crew's decision making, but like...what was stopping them from keeping S3 Huey focused and saving all the Webby origins stuff for S4 in case that got greenlit later? Couldn't they modify the original S3 ending to make it fit better? Or did they not have enough time for that? The backup plan twist they came up with was destructive, random and completely unneeded. I can understand where the April, May and June connection comes from; they were the inspiration for Webby's character in the original series. But what deep Disney Duck lore does the "Scrooge's clone daughter" concept come from? Their clothes being similar?? Webby always wanted to be the fourth triplet and Scrooge accepted her as an honorary niece and that was fine. If they wanted to do something with Scrooge having a daughter, there's a whole storyline with Goldie's daughter and granddaughter from the European comics canon they could have pulled from. It's not confirmed whether Scrooge is the father here, but at least it makes sense and would have given him a greater incentive to rekindle with his love interest... Exploring Webby's family could have been a cool story arc for this show, but now, I wish they never bothered. 😔 If the reboot ever does come back in some important way, I hope they'll do something to revoke this and give us the father reveal most fans were actually anticipating. 🤷🏾♀️ In turn, I was hoping that there was the _intention_ of cloning Scrooge, but a mix-up makes her a clone of someone else. Like Beakley, so they can stay related. Or even better: weave Donna Duck, AMJ's mother and Daisy's sister, in here. Reveal this as Pepper's true identity. Tell us she was kidnapped and brainwashed into becoming an Egghead. Maybe even make her Beakley's niece as another way of keeping her related to Webby. And with Daisy having the potential to be Donald's wife, Webby can be integrated into The McDuck family in a more natural way. The lost niece / lost sister thing even matches a big element in the show! There were much better ways to do this...
@@fangirl_kteeyeah, we need the daughter thing of webby to scrooge out. It doesn't bode well specially that scrooge got lots of relationship going on in the whole cast. Putting he's attention to 1 cloning character that gives a straight head start to scrooge fortune is not a great idea. It completely ruined the family inheritance and connection.
@@HyoGoro-se8tb Oh! I didn't see that you commented here too. 😅 Yeah, they didn't need to do this to make Webby more important. It doesn't work at all.
@@fangirl_ktee I'm a big fan of scrooge, and I don't like him having a child aside from he's nephews and a relationship with goldie. I've read the comic so for me, this kinda violated that original specially that they still keep releasing new series 1 after another till this days. I like the badass, soloist and rich of word of wisdom scrooge. Sadly that only happened in the life and time of scrooge mcduck, in 80's and reboot, they've made him to reliant to he's family not giving him an opportunity to showcase he's fighting skill. The guy tamed a lion, bear, beat lots of people for he's claimed all at once and wrecked a speed boat. Really hope they've atleast include in this reboot the range mode scrooge like after Bradford told him that he's the 1 who tell della about the spear of selene. It could be a great fight if that actually happened than scrooge just jump and 1 moment he's already being hold by Bradford.
Finale’s are very weird, because they’re the taste that’s left in the viewer’s mouth. If the finale is just as good as the rest of the show, then everyone will remember the show for being great. If the finale is better than the rest of the show, then the show will be remembered for being amazing and having an awesome send off. If a finale is significantly worse than the rest of the show, people are more likely to remember the botched ending than they are to remember the exciting journey. Even though 2/3 of this show is great, and most of season 3 is also pretty good, I still can’t help but look back at this show in disappointment just because of how much they messed up the finale. So basically, if you have to choose between a big but clumsy finale or a contained but still good finale, you should choose the smaller one, because it won’t poison the memory of the journey even if people wish it ended on a more exciting note.
I don't know the fact that Beakley seemed to be training Webby for something from the get-go. Then you have Webby's obsession over Scrooge. The fact that Beakley was so easily willing to allow Webby to adventure with Scrooge. Not to mention when did Beakley have a chance to have any kids of her own with her being Shush's top agent and not having any relationships eluded to. To me it made more sense that Webby was in some ways more related to Scrooge than Beakley. Plus, the idea that it tarnished the message of "it's the family you choose" is sort of eh because, while a genetic copy, she is still an experiment by FOWL and not Scrooge's natural child.
Ok but the fact that if we took what you said as a concept. And like.. the magic paper accepting this non-biological heir webby, it would be so interesting. Because FOWL would just assume Webby was related and tried to clone her, trying to get the same effect instead of this.
On the shipping topic, they did say very early on that none of the boys would show any romantic interest in Webby. Plus, incest has never fully stopped shippers. Just look at all the Loud House fanfics where Lincoln is shipped with one of his sisters. Yeah, it's kind of icky, but there were very small signs. I still think some more hints of Webby's origin would've been nice throughout the series if it was going to be the final reveal all along, but I don't entirely hate it.
They could have at least added scenes where the triplets said they ain’t internet in Webby that way. Shows like “Monkey Kid” had the decency to do that.
@@kaylemathewcomendador6964I don't think they need the decency to do that, it's not important to the show. These are minors. And grown adults projecting themselves onto minors. This drake type activities
@@sogekingsimp2469 Nah, they shouldn’t have saved the reveal for the finale alone. It was kinda a weird writing choice. There are signs that they merged the potential Webby season with season 3, so I don’t know why they didn’t just reveal it earlier or foreshadowed it more. And it ain’t always projecting, some just find young love cute. Don’t make creepy assumptions about people.
@@sogekingsimp2469 you say that as if kids don't also ship things. I remember being a kid, absolutely adoring certain characters together and thinking up cute little ideas in my head for them. Shipping isn't just something adults do. I remember being young, like 10, hardcore shipping Shaggy and Velma from scooby doo cause I just thought they'd be cute together. If I'd watched this version of ducktales as a kid, of course I'd have been shipping the characters I thought were cute together.
Like, the show made it pretty clear that Webby was part of the family, even had her calling Scrooge uncle. If some fans didn't pick up on that then that's on them
I think the reason why May and Jun where the same as Webby was to emphasize the they are her clones. To also rob Webby of her own character, and questions herself who she really is if both her sisters are basically just like her. Or what if she never met the boys, Scrooge and Ms. Beakley. Its also a way to show us what it would have been like if Huey, Dewey, and Louie were in there old Duck Tales incarnation. Note: Them getting individuality happened first in Quack Pack. As well as having there own voice like Daisy and Scrooge. "In Quack Pack, the boys were given more distinct personalities, with Huey being something of a ladies' man, Dewey as a computer whiz and Louie as a comic book geek." ----- Wikia I feel like if the series continued, pretty sure the show will explore who May and June really are. Finding out that despite basically similar to their sister, they each have something that the others don't have, that makes them who they are. They never got to be individuals, because of the evil organization that raised them, which was the point, to use them as back up to get to Scrooge's loop hole. And them being easily accepted by the girls by the end, shows how much both Lena and Violet both grew as a character, mostly thanks to Webby and the boys. They both know each other having history with Lena De Spell; as well as Lena was initially distrustful of Violet's friendship with Webby; by the end reconciling and becoming true sisters. So the two of them can relate by being different, that they hurt Webby in some moments, as well as how they love Webby in there own ways. Out of all the kids, it makes perfect sense that those two would be there for them, they didn't alienate them for what they did, but instead accepted them as Webby's sisters and that they are not alone in this world. Some of the lessons I learned in the entire series was forgiveness, friends and family. The ending credits sums it up, but wish this was expanded upon.
Idea they could continue the reboot under the idea of it being a “Quack pack” reboot… just that they’re slightly older if they need an excuse. Set up the season as the finale “being a dream” and it goes all the way back to Webby’s party. It will set up an actual webby season arch where she still grapples with wanting to be blood related despite knowing that’s not what matters. Then a season for the final boy and hopefully a million more This video reminds me of how much I used to LOVE this show and it’s such a shame because it had an extremely strong first two seasons and then is just fetch quest and … that for the end :(
I think that your quack pack reboot idea is good, but I'm against the dream retcon cause it always feel like bad writing. But maybe instead Webby is still struggling with her place in the family because she doesn't feel like a proper family member since she's just a clone of Scrooge. (and I think Gyro implied some offensive things about clones as some point) THEN the series gets concluded in a way that feels like major characters' arcs are finished nicely.
Looking back, the twist sums up the entire message of the show while also breaking apart its core principles and ideas. Season 3 was a mess in terms of pacing and story ideas and I wish they didn’t cram in so many characters for fanservice so they could’ve focused on making this twist make sense. The only episodes that alluded to Webby is Scrooge’s daughter was the premiere and “Nightmare on Killmotor Hill” and they aren’t really contenders for foreshadowing either. What makes it a bit worse is that Frank Angones KNEW the twist would be extremely controversial and still went for it. It’s funny cause he winded up disappearing from the internet right after the finale aired. This idea certainly didn’t taint the show as a whole (except for the shippers ofc), but it got to a point where it just didn’t make sense enough for people to rewatch the show knowing how it would all end. The ending was lackluster cause of its cluttered cast and missed potential and the twist was shock value at its best. Loved your review though!
I'm someone who wanted Webby to be found family for the Mcducks so I explain why I didn't see Webby and the boys in a romantic way (though I agree she should of been adopted and it being ealier would have helped everyone): 1. While Scrooge Mcducks calls every family Webby felt like it could be found family plot to me,Webby didn't really have anyone growing up,so Mcducks where escapism for her. For Webby to delevop this wholesome bond with them and to take her in would of been sweet (not to dismiss Ms.Beckley) Also Scrooge during the plane episode out of anger when Webby tries to say he was bad for how he handled Della says she isn't family and that hurt her, so I'm confused why people would ship her romantically at that point. 2. Webby's interactions read as a sibling more than love interest (I knew people would ship them btw I just prefer the idea of them being siblings) again because of point one I thought it makes sense that her being emotional with them could be them subverting expectations and Webby would be there sister instead though I'll admit I have a basis because I wanted that. Also the way she interacted with them seemed similar to how the brothers interact,the Louie and Webby episode is the best I can explain it,they have silly interactions,annoy each other but emotionally support and love each other,like the brothers do though you could read Webby's interactions at the time as romantic I guess? Sorry to you shippers.
I think it'd be fun to write a season 3 rewrite that's got more of a huey arc and a hypothetical fourth webby season but i know that i could never commit to that lmao
i think its likely that a lot of the events of the finale were meant to be like...dispersed around a hypothetical 4th season. its annoying that they got cancelled too soon.
One thing that bothered me about the Ducktales finale was definately the pacing. There definately couldve been a Season 4. The finale could’ve been longer. The interactions are mostly blink and you miss. We never even get to see at least one last interaction between Webby, Lena and Violet. Like a reconciliation.
Thank you soooo much for bringing the ducktales reboot to my attention and linking the first season! I have been watching through it and am really enjoying the humour, story and characters. Your videos are all great (except the pixal cake which is nightmare fuel🤣) keep up the great work!!
oh I didn't realize there was shipping with the triplets and Webby even tho I was in the fandom as the show aired, but dammn sorry for everyone who got Luke/Leia-d by the finale, and it's such an unnecessary counter productive to the main message of the show twist to begin with anyway, I dislike it not quite as much as the Rey Palpatine twist but it's up there, it's in the same genre of stupid clone reveals ...I wasn't planning on making all these star wars comparisons oops :"D
If I had a nickel for every great serialized children's TV show that got canceled after its third season so it crammed its entire fourth season into the last few episodes leading to a mixed reception, I'd have two nickels. It isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice
I honestly feel like the 2017 ducktales was the last disney xd show i tuned into before i reached that "cartoons are just for little kids" phase of my teenage years. Becoming 15 at the time this reboot was better then most stuff coming out at the time.
As one who watches too many series recap videos... this is one where I feel I need to stress the point: if you are at all interested in the series check it out before proceeding past 8 minutes! Even if just to watch season 1 and 2! This show is wonderfully fun and it's a treat to have so many talented voices in the cast! I was very disappointed with the overarching plot leading to the finale of season 3, and the finale itself... woof. It was BLATANT that they were not given enough episodes to develop the story properly.
upon my rewatch of ducktales, if you listen closely to Donald and Scrooge's argument/discussion, you can hear that they were literally discussing/arguing about Della and the Spear of Selene in the pilot.
April May and June were underdeveloped yes, but that doesn't mean you can just entirely ignore their place in past stories. Huey, Dewey and Louie were just as underdeveloped and they managed to respect their past iterations, meanwhile the girls aren't even connected to Daisy at all!!! Not to mention poor April got fused with an entirely separate character.
Now I'm no Showrunner but what I would've done is make season 3 the way it was originally planned. Then use not only the hype of it being the "final" season but also Negaducks return as a way to argue for one final season to really finish the show off
season 3 was such a disappointment to me because huey was my favorite of the brothers. seeing how well they developed the other brothers in their respective seasons, i was so upset when i was watching weekly and realizing that they were running out of episodes in the season to do something with huey. he really could’ve benefitted from some evident conflict within his character, especially one that played off his mom or his already developed brothers.
I really hope the Darkwing Duck reboot is canon to this episode. Also I noticed that this show is actually getting some attention lately; people post memes about it on youtube shorts, and a few people have started making video essays, with this I really hope its starts trending like bluey and gets a 4th or even 5th season. (It's my favourite show ever)
I was not a fan of the season 3 nor of the finale, but not only the Bradford/Black Heron dynamic was one of my favourite parts of the whole series, but that final Black Hero scene ??!??! Damn 10/10, no notes
I think the Webbie twist could be done well, especially if it's hinted at early in the show. Heck, if they imply Webbie knows even if Beakley thinks she's in the dark, you get a tradegedy of her desperately trying to learn about a family that she feels she can't be part of. Have Scrooge's "This is a family matter, and you are not family," hit her like a ton of bricks and affected her moving on. Have her start drifting apart. She makes friends outside of the McDuck family and still goes in adventures but not with the same gusto as before. Have the triplets notice and react. Bring the twist to light at the beginning of season 3 instead of the end. Reveal that Scrooge had no clue he had a clone, and now he REALLY feels guilty about saying she wasn't family. Then, if they have to have May and June either have them stay evil of let Webby keep her speech but explain that they made her family BEFORE they knew about the blood relation. Then let them joke about it afterward as the season progresses Scrooge has 0 clue how to behave around Webby now, and probably tries to avoid her. Then get Donald to point out how they're so alike in a lot of ways, both thrill seekers and paranoid conspiracy theorists. But Scrooge had a bad habit of pushing people away when it gets bad and Webbie holds on tighter. Maybe he should try and learn from her, both on how to stop pushing family away How Many TIMES Do We Have To Do This- and in how they'll interact moving forward. Balance that with the idea I've seen presented of 'Huey has the next vain of 'Duck Invinsibility Rage Spirals'and let him balance how he feels about where he stands in the family. Dewey wants to be like their Mom, Lewey wants to be a but like Scrooge and Gladstone, let Huey balance. "Hey. I'm like Cousin Feathery" (And bump that episode to season 3) with "Oh- but we were RAISED by Uncle Donald." And the traits they all got from him get a highlight Then, wrap up with Scrooge for once not pushing anyone away instead trusting them to get him out of the trouble he found himself in. You get your sappy ending and a callback to episode one. "They're gonna get into trouble, I hope you can teach them how to get out of it."
The original 87 duck tales do portray Scrooge’s and Webby as a grandfather/ granddaughter relationship. But yeah this final was very dumb Honestly I did enjoy 87 Webby over reboot Webby.
I grew up w the original show but I never really watched it until I found this one. Original Webby honestly wasnt all that bad and it was clear that Scrooge had his own special bond with her as he did with his great-nephews.
@@KariIzumi1 Exactly. Plus o think the back lash of OG Webby lead to the creation of Gosalyn from Darkwing duck. Who was indeed more unique to most kid characters from the late 80’s early 90’s
This video essay is SO fascinating to me. Because I loved DuckTales when it came out. But my perception was so different! I always felt like Dewey was getting way more spotlight than the other kids, with Webby being a close second and then Huey and Louie being left in the dust. And for me, that through line was in all 3 seasons. Being a Louie enthusiast, I mourned that he almost never got to shine, he felt almost like a side character who got to lead in a handful of episodes and was otherwise ignored. I remember when the "all angles" conversation happened and being so excited that finally he'd get a more prominent role on par with the others. And then nothing changed. To me, at least. But way, way, funnier than that is that I had completely forgotten about May and June. I straight up forgot they or the heir plottwist existed. That's how poorly executed it was.
FThe finale felt overwhelming and underwhelming at the same time. Which felt even weirder because season 3 had a lot of reference-episode. I'd readily give up the Quack-Pack or Cloudkicker episode for a better paced main plot. The teaser for FOWL also screwed the show over because it had to deliver on all the promised villains. Which also cost screentime for the focus characters.
So thankful UA-cam randomly reccomended this video to me. Definitely havent thought about the ducktales reboot since it ended precisely because of the disappointing finale. So it was nice to revisit it for an hour and think about how great it COULD have been. But alas. 😢 Amazing well-thought out video. Youve earned a sub 🎉
I don't like the decision to make webby a clone because i feel like Webby's story was an important one for kids about found family in a story centered around blood family. I do think an arc where she explored her own history would've been cool, but not in relation to scrooge. Maybe her parents were bad people, or stick with the beakley isnt the real granny thing, or make it to where whatever she does just leads to nothing and she just has to accept that the past doesn't matter because the present is what counts. So many good opportunities there. Also if the story HAD to end with webby becoming an "official" member of the family, i would've preferred a flash foward to her and dewey becoming a thing and her marrying into the family. Bot to be shipping crazy, but they were shown to be close and share common interest, pairing up numerous times. Especially with her helping him with della and stuff. Also would've been good development for dewey if it was set up right because it would've shown him becoming less "threatened by a romantic interest" lol. idk i just prefer webby vanderquack to april mcduck any day
Season 3 was the show hitting its best... but also its worst. Episodes like Quack Pack and Double O Duck are easily some of my favourite in the show, but then we have the Fight for Castle McDuck which I believe is legitimately the worst. It feels nowhere near as tight or cleverly weaved together as Season 2, with FOWL and the Missing Mysteries being incredibly disconnected for a good part of the season. It's a shame because I really love the FOWL stuff, but the MIssing Mysteries are literally just fetchquests, so when they become more prominent and tie into FOWL's ultimate plan it all kinda falls apart. They also don't really give the non-FOWL villains enough to do so characters like Magica and Glomgold aren't given satisfying endings and, for some reason, Don Carnage is added to FOWL for the finale? And then he dies, I think? It's very weird. It feels like they mismatched two separate stories and lost sight of what should have been a very interesting parallel between Huey and Bradford. I dunno, I love the individual episodes but as an overarching narrative it kinda falls flat for me.
This is a great video that encapsulates a lot of the mixed thoughts I think most people have on the legacy of the show. I haven't disconnected as much and watch the first two seasons relatively regularly, but I rarely ever watch some of the later episodes in season three. Great job!
I was not expecting the end of the series back when the year was late 2019. I thought the show would be around longer than that, and I wanted Louie to have a second chance to go to Big Rock Candy Mountain without being grounded and missing out again.
Season one villain: an ancient sorceress hellbent on revenge Season two villain: space Hitler Season three villain: an accountant who doesn’t like adventure
As an autistic person I loved this show. Like to the point where I wouldn't stop talking about it. I just related to all the characters in many different ways. They all felt real and also neurodivergent to me and it was amazing to see. The show not getting a fourth season made me so sad.
Ducktales was my favorite show for a while, especially since I'm someone who was obsessed with all the comics as a child (I had like 5 decades of weekly Donald Duck comics lmaoo). But eugh I really wish they had the time to just give Huey and Webby seperate arcs. I really hate how Huey has a small build up to being important in the final but he just gets captured and that's it for his arc. I also knew about the girl triplets existing beforehand due to how many comics I read, and as one of those superfans who knew about them I just felt dissapointed lol. I mean, the surprise is already gone because I was able to immediately clock that they were sisters. I really wish they just made them the triplets Daisy cares for. Making Webby one of them never sat right with me
I’m pretty sure somebody already said this, but I always thought the Duke of making a mess. Was like the Donald anger being transferred to the next generation.
Even with the writers being cut short, there are definitely ways that they could have trimmed the fat to keep more a balance between focusing on Webby and Huey. I mean, did we really need stuff like the Talespin episode, or the Rumble for Ranarok episode?
Even though I was personally never into any of those Webby x Triplets pairings, I do feel bad that those fans' ships had to get tainted by that plot twist.
Personally, this is my DuckTales, I just choose to ignore the finale in general. Just Like Danny Phantom (although I suppose with the book that's been fixed, so just give Disney 15 years of backlash and they'll retcon the ending lol)
I really love this show (you can tell by my PFP) however season 3 was VERY rushed. The betrayal plotline felt sped through, like, “oh yeah, my investors suck! Ok.” And the Huey focus was… not at all. That really sucks to, because Dewey was very clearly the season 1 main character and Lewey was season 2’s. I’m almost certain Huey was supposed to have more focus in Season 3 and all the Webby stuff would be in season four. However, it got all shoved in to one, very cluttered season. Still great though, I LOVE this show.
It was stated on one of the producers' blog that she was originally going to work for Glomgold in Season 1. I can't remember why this was changed though.
I adore the first and second seasons and will watch them over and over, but the third season really does feel rushed and incomplete, and leaves a bitter taste in the mouth of the fandom. It really is the ending of this show that puts me off from telling other people to watch it.
no one understands the second embarrassment that I get trying to explain how much I love ducktakes only for my favorite characters to be LIN MANUEL MIRANDA.
I would like to point you to the over 500 issue long series of comic books predating the Ducktales show and beeing the inspiration for the Ducktales show This reboot is a LOT closer to the comics (with massive liberties taken) It makes the reboot a superior product to the original
I thought Webby being Scrooge's clone recontextualised her fangirl worship of Scrooge as self love all along, which I thought was really sweet the first time I watched it. I watched the show a while after it was finished and so didn't interact with the fandom much, maybe seeing how the creators interacted with the fanbase would have given me different expectations for the ending and contributed to the disappointment. But I was mainly disappointed we didn't get more Ducktales than that.
A lot of people seem to be zeroing in on the (very small) shipping section of the video, so I'll clarify for all those who need it spelled out for them. That section is there largely to document a thing that happened. It was part of my experience with the show, and so to make a video about the show without talking about it felt incomplete. A lot of fans got told, in the last ten minutes of the show, that one of their main connections to the show was now completely invalid. Those people were obviously going to feel disconnected from the show after that. I feel that's worth mentioning as a thing that happened. The reason I bring up fan works is not as some sort of evidence of why the writers should have back tracked, but as evidence of why those fans would feel the way they did.
Never in the video do I say that this experience was universal, that most people were shipping webby with the boys, or that there was any canon romance between them. I will repeat: I did not expect the writers to put any romance between the kids in the actual show. I say this in the video. I don't begrudge them for that, it is what I would prefer. That was never the tone the show was going for. These were fun little fandom shipping communities, and that's all they ever needed to be. Yes it was 100% fandom projecting. That's what a lot of shipping is in every fandom.
I do NOT expect the writers to change the ending of their show to avoid personally disappointing me. But I do think it's fair to expect writers who were actively answering fan questions and interacting with fandom on the regular, to be passively conscious of that fandom while making the show. I don't think it should have been a deciding factor or even anywhere close to one, but perhaps a small weight on the scale leaning towards maybe don't do the twist. And with so many other things ALREADY leading the webby twist to be a bad idea, this is just another little one to add to the top of the pile. The cherry on top of the bad idea sundae, if you will.
My MAIN point was that the webby twist, first and foremost, is a bad storytelling choice. I think they should have cut it for all the story reasons laid out in depth during the video- and as a bonus side benefit, they also wouldn't alienate a decent section of the fandom with the finale to their show. On a personal level, that loss of a ship is a lot harder to take when you go back to watch the finale with fresh eyes, and it's still a disappointing rushed mess with no build up and no follow through. Again, I felt it was worth mentioning, because it did happen, but it should not at all be seen as a central point in my argument.
Complaining about how a piece of media destroys your own personal headcanons, of which the show absolutely did not set up at all, is just kinda… dumb? Like I understand why you’re upset about it, but how you presented it in the video makes it seems like it’s this BIG deal, and that the show writers are bad people for “promoting incest”, even though you’re literally just imagining that because the show didn’t set up romantic relationships for the child characters at all. A plot twist messing up your own personal headcanons does not make the twist bad, and saying “it’s a cherry on top of a bad sundae” is completely untrue because it’s not a narrative issue in the show. It’s just your own personal opinion being invalid, which again, is wrong to complain about when it comes to the show’s narrative.
And even barring that, you can’t expect show writers to always be mindful of their fans and never overstep on anything that might make them upset. Like, that’s a horrible way of telling stories in general.
Again, I understand your frustration towards the plot twist, but you should have focused on how it’s your own emotional issue - not a narrative one. There is no reason to throw a bunch of accusations towards the writers “promoting the opportunity for incest”, with the only proof being your own personal headcanons
@@catdatwat9743 I'm sorry. When exactly did I say the writers were promoting incest? Or that they are bad people? Because um... they weren’t, aren't, and I would never say that. If anyone is taking that segment as anything other than a lighthearted (and yes, personally disappointed) chuckle at the insane situation our community ended up in, they are severely bad at reading my tone.
For the record, I do think the webby twist is a narrative issue because (again) it has no build up, takes time away from already established storylines and characters, is incredibly rushed in execution, does not contribute to (and might even conflict a bit with) the central theme of the show, and ultimately feels like an out of place fan fic style twist. You can disagree with these sentiments, but they are the main reasons I dislike the webby twist.
What might actually make the twist worse is, according to the deluxe edition of the art book (which I have) - specially the "bonus" book that gives extra behind the scenes info about the show, the twist of Webby being Scrooge's clone/daughter (minor thing, but I wish they did clarify if Webby is just cloned from Scrooge or if they did something kinda similar to IVF to make her, since they never actually call Webby a clone like they do May and June - they call her Scrooge's daughter and descendant, and say she was made from him, but never flat out say she's a clone) was basically a back up? They apparently did hope for another season, and while they don't say what exactly they had planned for Webby, she was going to have her own arc, and the clone twist/finale we got was effectively a back up for if (and when) the show had to end before the crew wanted. Which probably helps to explain the lack of any real foreshadowing to the twist? Because if they got their fourth season, building up to the back-up twist would have been weird because it wouldn't let to anything, but because they didn't do the build-up just in case they did get renewed, the twist comes out of nowhere.
I literally started screaming and laughing hysterically when this segment came up, I've felt so much shame about this and to meet a former shipper in the wild is really so nice
I do feel... vague laughter in regards to this, that I then feel guilty about. 'cos... well, I shipped Lena/Webby. It's like 'I won! ... but at what cost?' ^^ While I got out of it with a tiny bit of luck, I stand behind the twist as not well handled, probably a bad idea even in concept.
And I can sympathise with the ship based critique, 'cos... well, look not just at this show, but at Disney shows surrounding it. This isn't a new aspect to the culture, this is a wider thing about fandom culture: especially when a show has an ensemble cast. The only defence I can really give is that I don't personally feel the show ever felt intentionally shippy in any direction, but I could buy that I just don't recall some episodes or moments.
Honestly my first reaction to Webby being a clone/daughter of Scrooge was "Oh Louie is going to be pissed. His inheritance!"
Spoiler! Also, she's like all the clones from the prequel trilogy of star wars.
@@Lolbitdrangonmaster To be fair this video is talking about the finale.
@@Gatorboy5678 not entirely.
Scrooge will not Die.
Louies Never gonna get an inheritance let alone Webby
This just makes me think he reacts like Balrog from street Fighter when he looses
I am SO upset that they weren't allowed to continue the Darkwing/Negaduck storyline 😭
I would have payed for like a Season Spin off after what happened with the portal thing.
They never touched on that again because that was also supposed to have a reboot that was a spinoff on the DT reboot. And Disney said no, even though they had actually announced it. Then they changed their minds and said it would be a movie, then that also got scrapped.
@@PlanetMars0777 really? That sucks :(
Fr, I was so disappointed🥲
@@PlanetMars0777thus in the show where scrooge says “There will never be a DW movie”
The biggest shame about Huey's "Duke of Making a Mess" plotline not getting a resolution is that it sets up such a fascinating potential for exploration because it implies that of the triplets, Huey is the most like Donald, which would have been such a cool angle to lean into. We got a lot of exploration into Dewey's similarities to Della and Louie's similarities to Scrooge, so it's such a natural next step.
Yes!!! Exactly. It could be so fun to dissect that, and maybe also give Donald a chance to better understand and balance his own emotions in turn with Huey, or vice versa. Donald is *the* character of the duckverse, he deserves some focus!
Holy shit, yeah, that would be so interesting!!
Right!! I remember reading a ton of fanfics about Donald and Huey sharing experiences and learning to control their anger together, it would have been so wholesome to get moments like that in the show
THIS, theres not enough attention given to huey OR donald in the show. i wouldve enjoyed them a lot more if the writers put more effort into it.
For sure. It feels like Huey has almost no development as a character, and when they set up that plot line I was like "this is good, I hope its used later down the line!" Only for it not to appear again.
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From what I’ve been able to gather, the twist of Webby being Scrooge’s daughter was planned from the very beginning. This was because the showrunner felt Webby was the least important character in the original show and wanted to do a cool twist with her.
Even if they properly built up to the reveal I still think it would be a bad twist because like you said it doesn’t add anything. Doesn’t ruin the 2017 reboot for me of course (and I never shipped Webby with the triplets) but goes to show that even twists that make logical sense can be bad.
If Webby was a clone of her grandmother, that would’ve been a cooler twist.
making her the daughter is not the way to go
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios That's what I've been saying!! At least she'd still be related to Beakley! Making her Scrooge's clone takes her blood relation away from her only known family member AND takes Daisy's nieces away. That's not satisfying at all...😟
Its also (possibly) another callback to David Tennant's time in Doctor Who. As there was an episode where the Doctor had a daughter cloned from his DNA.
Yeah the one thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I never subscribe to the mentallity of " the showrunner felt Webby was the least important character in the original show". Not everybody needs to be connected. There is nothing wrong with Webby being an Orphan becuse of other reasons, that can build her character in many ways. To be honest this makes all her character in the show seem like "pre destined" and I don´t like those stories. It´s as bad as "The chossen one".
i feel so vindicated by your mention of each triplet having a focus season but huey NOT having his own arc. i thought i was just imagining/reading too much into that fumbled pattern so i'm glad you discussed that!
It’s because of the cancellation 😞
@@ayanellezooman685 Yeah, pretty sure that Webby's arc would have been the final season in any case, but that hers should have been in the 4th, and therefore Huey be in the 3rd. The only semblance of Arc we got is that he should learn to not control life as it comes and just accept it, and then make his own plans according to the events.
it really was supposed to be s1 - Dewey, s2 - Louie, s3 - Huey, s4 - Webby
but they had to smoosh s3 and s4 together cuz of D*sn*y
It was really disappointing since Huey is my favorite of the triplets and season 3 just didn't really deliver on what I had been wanting to see for him
Tbh I never liked the 1 season-1 character approach. I'd rather they each had a converging subplot
That’s always been my wish. I was so mad that Huey, my favorite duck, never got his own ending. He got regarded as such a small ending. It was trying to fit a webby season into one two part episode. Other seasons are great and the build up to the finale are also great.
i could see teen titans coming back for season 6 and giving starfire a focus season, but the twist is that the season's set in space. they leave the tower and city to titans east and take off to deal with some galactic threat that incorporates the tamaranian civilization in some way. we get 13 episodes twixt the stars, each character gets some focus standalones, we get some goofy ones, but starfire gets a serious through arc involving several episodes throughout the season like robin in s1, terra in s2, cyborg in s3, raven in s4, and bb in s5.
season 5 really felt like the proper end, incorporating everything it did; but setting s6 actually in space and potentially after a time skip could give it the edge. (plus it'd be chronologically after the movie, so robstar being a thing would be a new plot element.)
it'd kind of have voltron:ld vibes but with the titans.
lol sorry if this means nothing to you.
Webby was always Scrooge's fourth niece, just as important as the triplets, even though she's not related to him. But with the reaveal that she is Scrooge's daughter, she rises above Huey, Dewey and Louie, ruining that dynamic. Bradford believed only Webby could retrieve the Papyrus of Binding. He didn't even TRY to convince Huey to do it, which means that the triplets do not qualify as Scrooge's heirs.
But they do. They were just aware webby existed and wanted to use HER the triplets are still just as important!!
I believe young Donald is voiced by an original Triplets voice actress, who I think voiced them in Mickeys Once Upon a Christmas
yup. Russi Taylor in the holiday special and Christina Vee in later appearances.
I grew up on Once and Twice upon a Christmas and I recognized the voice instantly
Weird, I followed this show from the beginning, and I never realized that there was a shipping angle with the triplets and Webby. I always saw them as family. They even lived in the same mansion.
I am in the boat to think it was fandom projecting. However, plenty of shows at 2018 or so grew to have "canon" pairings of characters. Although this show does it with nuance with Donald's iteration. "Canon" being more of a in the show dynamic. It varies on whether the status quo changed or not.
YEA NO LITERALLY THE CREATOR HIMSELF AND MULTIPLE PEOPLE ON THE SHOW HAVE SAID WEBBY WAS WRITTEN AS A SISTER
@Beebop02 it's so hilarious to me people were shipping these children with each other, only to be disappointed when it turns out that they are, canonically, not even siblings. But closer to aunt and nephew
It really wasn't that big as far as I can tell. I was a fan for a year after the show ended and barely ever ran into it. Most people stuck to shipping the adults. I occasionally saw Lena/Webby and Huey/Boyd but only so often and usually in AUs where they're older because shipping 11 year olds just feels a bit weird sometimes I dunno. I'm not going to pretend that part of the fandom didn't exist as it very much did, but it never intrigued me purrsonally
I’ve been in the fandom since the beginning and I already noticed shippers from the start. Probably had something to do with there being a lot of kid to pre-teen fans that love shipping and love young love stories. I guess you were living under a rock with that part of the fandom.
Still weird they thought revealing the clone twist in the literal finale was a good idea.
I would have had Huey be the first to find out about FOWL earlier than LGD. I would have him solely be caught in a major conspiracy of FOWL and their involvement in the Woodchucks and Isabella Finch and the mysteries. His first major clue would have been seeing the robot mosquito in the opening episode. Then he would have caught the Launchpad's strange ramblings in a British accent in his sleep about 'conspiracy out to get them. I would have him go with Beakley and Webby and trade places with Louies in the harp episode. Then Huey tries to tell Beakley and Scrooge but they don't believe him- Scrooge because he believes FOWL is long gone and his ego- and Beakley is lying and doesn't want Huey to worry and get involved as she takes any suspicious details seriously and is investigating for more information before acting. Then we have Huey getting impatient (more of the Duke sides showing) and going into FOWL alone hoping to confirm his suspicions, only to get captured. Then from there, he has to escape without using the guidebook and learn to trust his self and channel his anger into strength like in the sword episode. Then from there he and the family find out about Bradford. That would have made the season feel more like Hueys in my rewrite.
Agreed, I like the finale and the third season is my favorite, but it should’ve been more Huey focused.
I feel like we should have had this, or we could have had a Huey arc where he was captured by Fowl but Bradford actually manipulated him into helping them, and the rest of the agents pretended they were noble and just wanted to safely catalogue stuff. They would all validate Huey and his efforts and make him truly feel confident in his abilities, which would leave him on Fowl's side, and hed return to steal the journal from scrooge. Then I think he would end up having fights against his family, especially with his brothers (Fowl's resources and his genius would surely give him some kind of weapons/powers) with him being rational and mad at them for embarking on dangerous quests without realizing the consequences (similar to how he went off on Scrooge during Mt neverrest) or maybe black herin would find a way to make the duke of destruction a factor in huey's power? and with hueys help Fowl would end up getting all the missing mysteries, but he finds himself facing inner conflict, where he should feel happy for gathering together all the treasures to protect them, but feels like he wronged his family by helping their enemies. He then would have a some sort of identity crisis and possibly more arguments with his family, who still isnt able to convince him to leave fowl... thiugh they are unable to, so huey leave only to go back to Fowl hq and realize Bradford's plans to endanger his family. Huey would then realize the truth and realize Fowl only used him like a little pawn, which would lead him to unleash his Duke of destruction and fight off Bradford, only to lose. Fowl then succeeds in capturing the rest of his family, and it would beup to huey to save them... realizing his true self along the way.
Idk... they definitely could have taken this route and manipulated Huey into helping them, because Bradford is a dark foil to huey in so many ways.... and the could have done so much with this if they made it huey season... but nevertheless... they did the best they could with what they had for the finale. (Despite a lot of unneeded focus on May and June for one episode!!! Like.., those two took away screen time from Webby, Lena, and Violet!!! The three girls were a trio that were a group with good chemistry that was lacking screentime to begin with, so taking it away from them in favor of two new one-off characters was a poor choice)
"We had an ending in mind but weren't given time to build to it" is something that several animated shows of late have suffered with, leading to a final season that felt rushed. Steven Universe rushed its homeworld arc, Dreamworks' She-Ra rushed its space arc, Netflixs' Carmen Sandiego rushed the whole Carmen corruption arc, all found out they were getting canned early and had to rush to their finales, meaning that certain character redemption arcs were rushed or that several seasons' worth of story got crammed into one shorter-than-planned season. I think it's still better than ending on a cliffhanger like a lot of shows in the past have, such as the 1990s classic "ReBoot" (which ironically has never gotten rebooted) and various others, or shows that run so long that they lose track of their story and run themselves into the ground, but it is unfortunate to see. DuckTales isn't the only Disney show to suffer this fate either, such as with The Ghost and Molly McGee not getting its planned third season and having to wind up its story early, or The Owl House getting cut short not due to ratings but "controversy" (openly gay characters). Unfortunately this is the way it's been going for a while now and creative teams do their best with the restrictions they have.
P.S. I absolutely understand that feeling of "a show I loved but will never revisit" -- Steven Universe in particular is now very much that for me due to a lot of the problems with its rushed ending.
To be fair about the Webby finale, I felt that same issue with Della coming back. Because while she wanted to be a mother to her kids, she wasn't *there* to raise them, but the majority of the characters all welcomed her back to take that spot and basically forgot Donald, who RAISED THEM, and even have him giving up his parenting rights of them at the finale-finale. "Found family" always felt kinda off-centered with this series. And one of my favorite things about it was Donald *being there* to take up the role of father-figure to the boys. =/
It is honestly very difficult to think how'd they write everything they planned into one single 3rd season.
Huey, Webby, Daisy, June and May, the love plot, Boyd- that's just so much that'd need some sort cohesive tie-in that relates to the character development of both Webby and Huey.
They would have needed to either cut most of it out or had to write it all well-interwined together.
I mean, originally there was supposed to be 4 seasons.
Season 3 was supposed to be a Huey season, with a superhero theme, so that's why there were episodes like the Darkwing Duck special, Astro-Bot, and more
and Season 4 was supposed to be a Webby season, which followed her and the entire FOWL storyline with May and June.
i honestly really wish this happened, or the darkwing duck spin-off with DW and Launchpad.
'Kill your darlings' applies. Aka they should have cut a subplot or two. Or at least prioratized the subplots that already had setup done.
Yes I am bitter we didn't get negaduck vs. darkwing- We were robbed! ROBBED I TELL YOU!
@@virginiafernandez6846 WE COULD'VE GOTTEN A DARWING SPIN OFF DUDE. A DARKWING SPIN OFF WITH LAUNCHPAD AND NEGA DUCK AS A MAIN VILLAIN.
@@MillyKKitty well the first season had continuity failure despite each episode ending on a cliffhanger, which later become story arcs
the shipping tangent is so funny to me because my experiencr with the ducktales fandom was exclusively around weblena fans. i had no idea people shipped webby with anyone but lena.
No literally same
Yeah I think the “duke of making a mess” part of Huey’s arc was meant to imply that he inherited the infamous McDuck/Duck anger issues and was just really good at repressing them with logic and planning and list-making. I think it was meant to speak to how he copes with these anger/anxiety issues. It’s a fascinating concept, but it was not well executed at all! I’d give anything for a solid Huey and Donald B-plot where they bond over coping strategies and talk about how anger, if directed properly, isn’t necessarily bad.
Also fantastic video! Thank you so much for summing up exactly why this show’s finale left me with such a bad aftertaste, which is tragic considering how damn good the rest of it is. Welp, if Danny Phantom has taught us anything it’s that fandoms will bend over backwards to ignore finales for the sake of their sanities.
The weak thing about season 3 is... Fowl feels incredibly weak. Magica was building up as a very cunning and terrifying threat, in the finale she ALONE conquered entire city and was so strong that only scrooge could defeat her because of his experience with her (and if you look at Lunaris board she was one of bigger threatsto his plans, statinghow powerfulshe is). Season two was building up to the Moon army, in one-two days they had entire planet captured and Lunaris was so intelligent he predicted every possible scenario that scrooge might have come up with. Amd Fowl? They appeared in some episodes being beaten up and in the finale they were defeated one by one by few characters each
It seemed like they were building up the Darkwing universe which is unfair because it was supposed to get its own show so it sacrificed too much of the original Ducktales characters and villains.
Same thing with Donald. He's technically the original adventurer from the Carl Barks comics (with Scrooge being created four years later!) But at least in Season 1, he's stated to be cautious of adventure because of what happened to Della and by the Season 1 finale has accepted adventure. But then they un-do that to make him cautious of adventure again by Season 3 and with the same Don Cheadle voice he once used to rally them?! Huh???
They also give him one of the dumbest fighting styles (when again, in canon he doesn't fight like that). This show was so infuriatingly inconsistent with Donald, the times they chose to even use him...
I started to notice how I didn’t love the later episodes as much but I couldn’t really put my finger on why in a rewatch of the show I did a while back. I feel like this video well summarizes the problems I felt even if I didn’t completely catch on
I was like 13 when the show ended and my main experience was on wattpad at the time. There was A TON of Webby x Triplet shippers and while I was never apart of it, I had been friends with a few people on there (I miss you Alexandra! Where ever you might be!). THE WAY THE FANDOM THERE ABSOLUTELY FELL TO PIECES WAS BOTH SPECTACULAR AND TRAGIC. I've never cared for shipping any of the kids, I thought their relationship was purely familial. But it can see how it hurt people I cared for at the time and it was just. a mess.
I used to relate to Webby a lot, but after the reveal, I mean.. what're the odds of being a secret clone of your mentor figure that you were meant to have no blood relation to?? It really messed up the found family part of the message for me, and I was disappointed at that. I'm hoping it's just because they didn't have enough time to wrap things up after not getting a season 4.
Would have been better if webby just become an experimental character that is meant to destroy scrooge and not making her a clone or scrooge daughter like come on, it's scrooge, he's a father for everyone on the cast. Webby twist also ruined the inheritance of the family specially for the TRIO, not to mention scrooge relationship to goldie.
This finale reeked of trying squeezing an entire third season into a one double-length episode
Well it was 3 episodes so better than most.
huey and webby were ROBBED!!! it feels great to have someone else express exactly how I feel about this show that is SO close to me.
i remember watching s3 premiere and just slowly being more and more disappointed by each episode, of what felt like filler! It was legitimately disheartening to be a part of. To disrespect the character building skills of s1&2.
this gotta be the best ducktales video essay out there bro.
wouldn't it make more sense if Webby was a clone of Della?
Totally. Webby could've been revealed as a clone of Della by Scrooge as an attempt to have her back in their lives somehow
That was a theory among some fans in the earlier days. There were also some fans who thought she _was_ Della after an accident with The Spear turned her back into a kid.
Even after finding out what The Spear truly was, the show was still making multiple comparisons between the two characters. (Ex: "Coot", the Duck Cousin reunion in "Moonvasion")
While there would still be issues like the whole...shipping disaster, severing the relations Webby/April, May & June originally had and completely glossing over the father reveal that people were ACTUALLY ANTICIPATING FROM THIS SHOW...I think I would have been more open to Webby being Della's clone. She'd still be an heir and related to the family...but I still wouldn't be able to get past the fact that the family already accepted her as an honorary member in both the reboot and the original. 😕 An adoptive heir could have worked...
I've been thinking about how there could have been the _intention_ to clone Scrooge, but a mix-up causes Webby to be someone else's clone instead. Like Beakley's...or Pepper's, because why did they make them greet each other in "Fight" like that without giving her a deeper connection to Webby? 😭
All the finale had to do was give Huey his own character arc. In fact, Season 3 had 3 possibilities of making that happen. 1. Huey wanting to be a Senior Woodchuck. 2. Huey's friendship with B.O.Y.D. and his "robotic" behavior. 3. Huey's inner struggle with "The Duke of Making a Mess". But instead, the series finale focuses on Webby; who already had her own character arc in Season 1 thanks to Lena.
I honestly always found the twist about Webby being Scrooge's clone/daughter to be annoying from a mix of a lack of any sort of foreshadowing and the fact that in order to have Webby be able to find the Papyrus, they had to effectively retcon what Scrooge wrote? Because they establish in the episode introducing the Papyrus that it's usually very literal, to the point where Bradford was against using it because he considered the possibility that any wishes they made on it could be deadly if not worded perfectly. And in the episode introducing it, Scrooge says that only his heir can find it, but in the finale, they change it to "descendant". Because the two are not the same thing. Your heir is just someone who you choose to have inherit what you have after you die - both physical possessions and wealth, as well as titles in some cases. They don't have to be related to you at all. So with the original phrasing, it'd honestly be much more likely that Donald, Della, or any of the triplets would find the Papyrus, because Donald and Della are his immediate/explicit heirs, and HDL are likely also considered heirs of Scrooge via being Della and Donald's "heirs" by default (assuming Donald did legally adopt them during the time he raised them alone). And without it being established that Webby was declared/considered an heir, she'd actually be the least likely to be able to find it. So they had to change it to "descendant" to justify her being able to find it because she's Scrooge's daughter.
I personally have always viewed it as Scrooge said his heir, so Bradford's very literal mind could only think of it as a literal descendant. But, like someone else in the comments pointed out, that's why it didn't work for May and June. They're descendants, but Scrooge doesn't know them. They're not his heirs. He originally did this to get Donald and Della out of danger, meaning he considered them to be his heirs. My interpretation is that literally any of the kids could have gotten it because Scrooge considered them his family and legacy (like how he was gonna have Webby take over for him in Rumble for Ragnarok).
To be fair it WAS actually foreshadowed that Webby was related to Scrooge. For example the “From the Confidential Casefiles of Agent 22!” showcased the similarities between Webby and Young Scrooge, like both of them shouting out a battle cry before entering the cave. Also at the end of that same episode, in the same camera frame, Mrs. Beakly is smiling when Scrooge and Webby hug. Which I like to think is a subtle hint that she’s very glad that Webby and Scrooge were able to bond like a father and daughter. Another instance is when Webby starts acting like Scrooge in episode “The Forbidden Fountain of the Everglades” even tho she didn’t drink the water at all. I honestly really loved the twist imo and honestly wished there was more scenes showing that father/daughter dynamic between them.
Also, in the agent 22 flashback episode I mentioned, before the end credits roll the camera dramatically zooms in at the bouncing juice in Webbys pocket which only comes back up in one of the finale three episodes of season 3 when June drinks it while Webby and her are fighting.
This is because the show was supposed to have a season 4 that would focus on webby’s character. Meaning we would have most likely seen many references to her similarities with Scrooge, and seen her questioning where she came from. Though they did go into season 3 knowing there wouldn’t be another season, it would be very difficult to mix the season about Huey and webby together, meaning the season was largely undirected, had maybe 2 or 3 episodes about Huey, and the final arc of the season as webbies finale.
I honestly prefer it ending at season 3, it felt like everything was tied up rather nicely and adding a season 4 would just seem like them trying to stretch it out more than they needed to.
Something I do wish lmao people would casually mention is one of the people who worked on this is a woman named Emmy Cicierega- I would chance that most of us know who she is, even if her name doesn't jump out at us. I dareseay nearly everyone knows of her early work. Seeing her name in the credits took me out for a second and I had to double check that, despite the severe unlikelihood it was anyone else, that it was THE Emmy Cicierega who, along with her brother Neil, created one of the most well-known pieces of fan media for, I would argue, any fandom- the Potter Puppet Pals. I love how she just consistently creates things I love, and how she went from like, a teenager animating goofy little hand puppets to... one of the greatest reboots of all time?? Shoutout to her. I know that this may not be like... important or even valid because what I knew her best for is tied to a franchise we aren't suppose to say anything remotely nice about anymore, but I just remember feeling like, impressed at how far she's come from those flash animated puppets from lifetimes ago.
You mentioned how science-fiction doesn't seem to be a good fit for the Disney Duck universe, but there have been some excellent sci-fi romps with our favorite ducks in the comics - my favorite among them being "The Universal Solvent" in which Gyro invents a liquid that destroys all matter (or rather compresses it into hyper-dense atomic dust) except for diamonds. It's got the kind of existential dread you need in a good science fiction story.
The April, May and June reveal might've worked better in Europe where duck comics are still massively popular. They haven't had much relevance in the US since the 60's however. The most clever the show got with incorporating comics lore into the show was using Duke Baloni as Glomgold's alter-ego.
April, May, and June are Daisy's nieces, not Scrooge's daughters, and that they are heavily represented in European comics, especially Dutch ones. No, the problem is how they wanted to present those characters, since they couldn't before because The Legend of The Three Caballeros series already had them and really made them awesome. Daisy was already introduced in the third season and was only in three episodes, and May and June were introduced at the end, as Webby's sisters, since Webby April allegedly due to the Dutch mistranslation of the dubbing in OG Ducktales called her Lizzy which is April in Dutch. However, the problem is not that they are clones, but that they are presented as Scrooge's daughters, so that Scrooge somehow becomes a "father", which in my opinion is wrong and totally contradicts Scrooge's character in earlier cartoons and comics. I'll be honest though, May and June in Ducktales didn't turn out bad, and they should have been introduced earlier and there would have been more focus on them. They turned out well for me, but I still prefer April, May and June in Dutch comics.
@@historiaestmagistravitae.7051yeah, you explained it well, my reason why I don't like the idea of scrooge having a daughter, it maybe a
a good twist but it ruined lots of things on the different characters or cast.
You know if I am being honest, the third season finale, alias “The Last Adventure” wasn’t as good as the first two finales, “Shadow War” and “Moonvasion”. Moonvasion is clearly the best season finale out of the three.
If only cause Penny gets to do stuff and has lines.
Her one season 3 episode was GOLD and it shows how much of a waste it was to basically ignore her afterwards.
@@WeirdWonderfulbro i completely agree, she should have been in the whole season
Whe stan penny
@@jsostick it's even worse cause the chances of her ever appearing again in anything else are...pretty slim.
My point is I feel like The Shadow War and Moonvasion were the only two season finales that had good development and I thought Moonvasion was the best season finale of the whole series.
Dont mind me, just gonna go on a little rant here.
I'm glad that I wasn't the only one who thought that the ending was strange and kinda bad. It doesn't ruin the show for me, but it definitely took me a bit to adjust. If I had a choice in making the show, I would actually have Webby be this secondary focus throughout all the seasons. Because in the entire season up until 3, she's literally been the same. Nothing really changes except her friendship with Lena and Violet. I think it would've been more interesting seeing her trying to figure out HER past while helping Dewey find out about his Mom's past. Of course, it wouldn't be the main focus, but it would be shown that she definitely wants to figure it out. I feel like it would've been cool if she and Mrs. Beakly had a moment like Dewey and Scrooge had at the spear of selene episode. I'm not making it the exact same, but it is a parallel of the ending of the first season. It could've been slowburn, but it's development nonetheless. I would much rather have her arc be slow than have it be splashed in my face in the span of like 2 episodes (including some very minor hints).
Another thing I wished they did at the finale was everyone getting together to fight. The finale was so Webby focused that it was kinda hard for me to understand that THIS was the finale. It honestly didn't feel like it, and it just felt like an episode that's just focused on Webby's past. I mean, I don't think the ending was that terrible, but it just felt very underwhelming. Because when the credits started to roll, I was both happy, but also asking myself if what I saw really just happened. Everything just felt so out of nowhere, and it's still a little bit of hard to comprehend to this day. But when it all comes down to it, at the very least, the writers did care A LOT about this reboot. And they definitely did not deserve to be canceled. I am glad that they did try their best, but they certainly could've been done a lot better.
The finale didn't even do Bradford justice. It looked like he was going to be a sympathetic villain. One that makes a good point of adventuring being too dangerous under the Duck family. But nope, he thinks mass genocide is the answer with no redeeming qualities. Even the way he's taken out is pretty weak. Season 1 had 4 kids fighting an evil sorceress in the Money Bin, Season 2 had an epic space battle, Season 3 had the villain taken out by legal loopholes. Shouldn't the Papyrus have been destroyed when Black Heron wrote "Scrooge's sidekicks will perish?"
Especially because the legal loophole was "family is an adventure" which is incredibly cheesy and, worse, Bradfort worked for decades under Scrooge. He KNOWS all that cheesy bullshit. You tell me he had all this time to draft a perfect contract and then it just gets immediately undone? Come now.
I agree totally
unrelated but i love how all your outfits in this video correspond with ducktales characters
Yeah, I feel like suddenly making Webby related is like revealing Gosalyn was actually related to Drake Mallard all along (lol ignoring that Darkwing content was barely in Ducktales, you know what I mean.) 98% of the time it won't leave a good impact on their relationship; it would take a lot more time and effort to make it palatable which they didn't have within a two-part finale so I agree they should've dropped that, given Huey his big moment, and let Webby remain full of so much potential that people keep making fan content of her. If they had a chance, maybe a spin-off for that. I realize they probably didn't have the option since it seems like Disney wasn't invested in any of their cartoons. (Edit: I realize they intended a fourth season but I mean, since they knew it wasn't renewed, maybe pitch this idea for a spin-off.)
Introducing May and June also just... ruins what her grandma told her, makes Donald and Daisy's lives more complicated, and keeps them at a distance from Webby, Mrs. Beakley, and Scrooge. I think April should've been her own character and SHE ended up switching with Webby if they were going to try and pull that off, then she goes rogue and tries to free her sisters once she's felt what having a family is like. That keeps those three together and makes more sense, especially if Lena and Violet and the boys suspect something is off about Webby but the adults are distracted so they don't listen for a little bit, just long enough for them to realize the imposter needs their help and stop trying to tell on her so they can rescue Webby, May, and June (with Webby not just sitting idly by either ofc.) Webby could also still be adopted, I don't mind that, but I'm not a fan of making it so she was lied to this whole time. I think it'd be more interesting if they weren't clones, just really good dopplegangers because that happens in real life.
If anything you can just pull a Danny Phandom and disown the finale, act like it is not canon because there is such a large jump in the characterization and quality.
It's not their fault Disney didn't give them a fourth season i appreciate what they had to work with and how the tried to fit everything they could, that being said they should have had F.O.W.L use nega duck at least like they used the other villains to at least get a lil closure on that
I know I see lots of people blaming the show but it’s literally not the show fault?
@@ayanellezooman685 There's no doubt that the cancellation had an effect on the crew's decision making, but like...what was stopping them from keeping S3 Huey focused and saving all the Webby origins stuff for S4 in case that got greenlit later? Couldn't they modify the original S3 ending to make it fit better? Or did they not have enough time for that?
The backup plan twist they came up with was destructive, random and completely unneeded. I can understand where the April, May and June connection comes from; they were the inspiration for Webby's character in the original series. But what deep Disney Duck lore does the "Scrooge's clone daughter" concept come from? Their clothes being similar?? Webby always wanted to be the fourth triplet and Scrooge accepted her as an honorary niece and that was fine.
If they wanted to do something with Scrooge having a daughter, there's a whole storyline with Goldie's daughter and granddaughter from the European comics canon they could have pulled from. It's not confirmed whether Scrooge is the father here, but at least it makes sense and would have given him a greater incentive to rekindle with his love interest...
Exploring Webby's family could have been a cool story arc for this show, but now, I wish they never bothered. 😔 If the reboot ever does come back in some important way, I hope they'll do something to revoke this and give us the father reveal most fans were actually anticipating. 🤷🏾♀️
In turn, I was hoping that there was the _intention_ of cloning Scrooge, but a mix-up makes her a clone of someone else. Like Beakley, so they can stay related. Or even better: weave Donna Duck, AMJ's mother and Daisy's sister, in here. Reveal this as Pepper's true identity. Tell us she was kidnapped and brainwashed into becoming an Egghead. Maybe even make her Beakley's niece as another way of keeping her related to Webby. And with Daisy having the potential to be Donald's wife, Webby can be integrated into The McDuck family in a more natural way. The lost niece / lost sister thing even matches a big element in the show! There were much better ways to do this...
@@fangirl_kteeyeah, we need the daughter thing of webby to scrooge out. It doesn't bode well specially that scrooge got lots of relationship going on in the whole cast. Putting he's attention to 1 cloning character that gives a straight head start to scrooge fortune is not a great idea. It completely ruined the family inheritance and connection.
@@HyoGoro-se8tb Oh! I didn't see that you commented here too. 😅 Yeah, they didn't need to do this to make Webby more important. It doesn't work at all.
@@fangirl_ktee I'm a big fan of scrooge, and I don't like him having a child aside from he's nephews and a relationship with goldie. I've read the comic so for me, this kinda violated that original specially that they still keep releasing new series 1 after another till this days. I like the badass, soloist and rich of word of wisdom scrooge. Sadly that only happened in the life and time of scrooge mcduck, in 80's and reboot, they've made him to reliant to he's family not giving him an opportunity to showcase he's fighting skill. The guy tamed a lion, bear, beat lots of people for he's claimed all at once and wrecked a speed boat. Really hope they've atleast include in this reboot the range mode scrooge like after Bradford told him that he's the 1 who tell della about the spear of selene. It could be a great fight if that actually happened than scrooge just jump and 1 moment he's already being hold by Bradford.
Finale’s are very weird, because they’re the taste that’s left in the viewer’s mouth. If the finale is just as good as the rest of the show, then everyone will remember the show for being great. If the finale is better than the rest of the show, then the show will be remembered for being amazing and having an awesome send off. If a finale is significantly worse than the rest of the show, people are more likely to remember the botched ending than they are to remember the exciting journey. Even though 2/3 of this show is great, and most of season 3 is also pretty good, I still can’t help but look back at this show in disappointment just because of how much they messed up the finale. So basically, if you have to choose between a big but clumsy finale or a contained but still good finale, you should choose the smaller one, because it won’t poison the memory of the journey even if people wish it ended on a more exciting note.
I don't know the fact that Beakley seemed to be training Webby for something from the get-go. Then you have Webby's obsession over Scrooge. The fact that Beakley was so easily willing to allow Webby to adventure with Scrooge. Not to mention when did Beakley have a chance to have any kids of her own with her being Shush's top agent and not having any relationships eluded to.
To me it made more sense that Webby was in some ways more related to Scrooge than Beakley. Plus, the idea that it tarnished the message of "it's the family you choose" is sort of eh because, while a genetic copy, she is still an experiment by FOWL and not Scrooge's natural child.
Ok but the fact that if we took what you said as a concept. And like.. the magic paper accepting this non-biological heir webby, it would be so interesting. Because FOWL would just assume Webby was related and tried to clone her, trying to get the same effect instead of this.
AN HOUR LONG DUCKTALES EPISODE IN 2024?! /pos
right around donald's birthday, too! good timing in my books
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This show is so good, I wish people hadn't slept on it
On the shipping topic, they did say very early on that none of the boys would show any romantic interest in Webby. Plus, incest has never fully stopped shippers. Just look at all the Loud House fanfics where Lincoln is shipped with one of his sisters. Yeah, it's kind of icky, but there were very small signs. I still think some more hints of Webby's origin would've been nice throughout the series if it was going to be the final reveal all along, but I don't entirely hate it.
They could have at least added scenes where the triplets said they ain’t internet in Webby that way. Shows like “Monkey Kid” had the decency to do that.
@@kaylemathewcomendador6964I don't think they need the decency to do that, it's not important to the show. These are minors. And grown adults projecting themselves onto minors. This drake type activities
@@sogekingsimp2469 Nah, they shouldn’t have saved the reveal for the finale alone. It was kinda a weird writing choice. There are signs that they merged the potential Webby season with season 3, so I don’t know why they didn’t just reveal it earlier or foreshadowed it more. And it ain’t always projecting, some just find young love cute. Don’t make creepy assumptions about people.
@@sogekingsimp2469 you say that as if kids don't also ship things. I remember being a kid, absolutely adoring certain characters together and thinking up cute little ideas in my head for them. Shipping isn't just something adults do. I remember being young, like 10, hardcore shipping Shaggy and Velma from scooby doo cause I just thought they'd be cute together. If I'd watched this version of ducktales as a kid, of course I'd have been shipping the characters I thought were cute together.
Like, the show made it pretty clear that Webby was part of the family, even had her calling Scrooge uncle. If some fans didn't pick up on that then that's on them
I think the reason why May and Jun where the same as Webby was to emphasize the they are her clones. To also rob Webby of her own character, and questions herself who she really is if both her sisters are basically just like her. Or what if she never met the boys, Scrooge and Ms. Beakley.
Its also a way to show us what it would have been like if Huey, Dewey, and Louie were in there old Duck Tales incarnation.
Note:
Them getting individuality happened first in Quack Pack. As well as having there own voice like Daisy and Scrooge.
"In Quack Pack, the boys were given more distinct personalities, with Huey being something of a ladies' man, Dewey as a computer whiz and Louie as a comic book geek." ----- Wikia
I feel like if the series continued, pretty sure the show will explore who May and June really are. Finding out that despite basically similar to their sister, they each have something that the others don't have, that makes them who they are. They never got to be individuals, because of the evil organization that raised them, which was the point, to use them as back up to get to Scrooge's loop hole.
And them being easily accepted by the girls by the end, shows how much both Lena and Violet both grew as a character, mostly thanks to Webby and the boys. They both know each other having history with Lena De Spell; as well as Lena was initially distrustful of Violet's friendship with Webby; by the end reconciling and becoming true sisters. So the two of them can relate by being different, that they hurt Webby in some moments, as well as how they love Webby in there own ways.
Out of all the kids, it makes perfect sense that those two would be there for them, they didn't alienate them for what they did, but instead accepted them as Webby's sisters and that they are not alone in this world.
Some of the lessons I learned in the entire series was forgiveness, friends and family. The ending credits sums it up, but wish this was expanded upon.
Idea they could continue the reboot under the idea of it being a “Quack pack” reboot… just that they’re slightly older if they need an excuse.
Set up the season as the finale “being a dream” and it goes all the way back to Webby’s party. It will set up an actual webby season arch where she still grapples with wanting to be blood related despite knowing that’s not what matters.
Then a season for the final boy and hopefully a million more
This video reminds me of how much I used to LOVE this show and it’s such a shame because it had an extremely strong first two seasons and then is just fetch quest and … that for the end :(
I think that your quack pack reboot idea is good, but I'm against the dream retcon cause it always feel like bad writing. But maybe instead Webby is still struggling with her place in the family because she doesn't feel like a proper family member since she's just a clone of Scrooge. (and I think Gyro implied some offensive things about clones as some point) THEN the series gets concluded in a way that feels like major characters' arcs are finished nicely.
I agree with this video title so much. It's so disappointing because the first 2 seasons were absolutely fantastic.
My sister showed me this video because I would talk her ear off with the almost exact same points. I have truly found a kindred spirit
Looking back, the twist sums up the entire message of the show while also breaking apart its core principles and ideas. Season 3 was a mess in terms of pacing and story ideas and I wish they didn’t cram in so many characters for fanservice so they could’ve focused on making this twist make sense. The only episodes that alluded to Webby is Scrooge’s daughter was the premiere and “Nightmare on Killmotor Hill” and they aren’t really contenders for foreshadowing either. What makes it a bit worse is that Frank Angones KNEW the twist would be extremely controversial and still went for it. It’s funny cause he winded up disappearing from the internet right after the finale aired.
This idea certainly didn’t taint the show as a whole (except for the shippers ofc), but it got to a point where it just didn’t make sense enough for people to rewatch the show knowing how it would all end. The ending was lackluster cause of its cluttered cast and missed potential and the twist was shock value at its best. Loved your review though!
I'm still so mad that the darkwing duck spinoff got canceled. Like, I was so excited for it I watched lgd so much but yet it was all for naught.
wait it officially got cancelled?
@@radiowaves4010 yeah, it was revealed in a leak full of cancelled shows
I'm someone who wanted Webby to be found family for the Mcducks so I explain why I didn't see Webby and the boys in a romantic way (though I agree she should of been adopted and it being ealier would have helped everyone):
1. While Scrooge Mcducks calls every family Webby felt like it could be found family plot to me,Webby didn't really have anyone growing up,so Mcducks where escapism for her. For Webby to delevop this wholesome bond with them and to take her in would of been sweet (not to dismiss Ms.Beckley) Also Scrooge during the plane episode out of anger when Webby tries to say he was bad for how he handled Della says she isn't family and that hurt her, so I'm confused why people would ship her romantically at that point.
2. Webby's interactions read as a sibling more than love interest (I knew people would ship them btw I just prefer the idea of them being siblings) again because of point one I thought it makes sense that her being emotional with them could be them subverting expectations and Webby would be there sister instead though I'll admit I have a basis because I wanted that. Also the way she interacted with them seemed similar to how the brothers interact,the Louie and Webby episode is the best I can explain it,they have silly interactions,annoy each other but emotionally support and love each other,like the brothers do though you could read Webby's interactions at the time as romantic I guess? Sorry to you shippers.
I think it'd be fun to write a season 3 rewrite that's got more of a huey arc and a hypothetical fourth webby season but i know that i could never commit to that lmao
i think its likely that a lot of the events of the finale were meant to be like...dispersed around a hypothetical 4th season. its annoying that they got cancelled too soon.
One thing that bothered me about the Ducktales finale was definately the pacing. There definately couldve been a Season 4. The finale could’ve been longer. The interactions are mostly blink and you miss.
We never even get to see at least one last interaction between Webby, Lena and Violet. Like a reconciliation.
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Me: running water-
I would not call running water a luxury
@@justarandomhumann rage bait 💯
Thank you soooo much for bringing the ducktales reboot to my attention and linking the first season! I have been watching through it and am really enjoying the humour, story and characters. Your videos are all great (except the pixal cake which is nightmare fuel🤣) keep up the great work!!
oh I didn't realize there was shipping with the triplets and Webby even tho I was in the fandom as the show aired, but dammn sorry for everyone who got Luke/Leia-d by the finale, and it's such an unnecessary counter productive to the main message of the show twist to begin with anyway, I dislike it not quite as much as the Rey Palpatine twist but it's up there, it's in the same genre of stupid clone reveals ...I wasn't planning on making all these star wars comparisons oops :"D
If I had a nickel for every great serialized children's TV show that got canceled after its third season so it crammed its entire fourth season into the last few episodes leading to a mixed reception, I'd have two nickels. It isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice
I honestly feel like the 2017 ducktales was the last disney xd show i tuned into before i reached that "cartoons are just for little kids" phase of my teenage years. Becoming 15 at the time this reboot was better then most stuff coming out at the time.
I'll be right back then, I'm gonna go watch the show
As one who watches too many series recap videos... this is one where I feel I need to stress the point: if you are at all interested in the series check it out before proceeding past 8 minutes! Even if just to watch season 1 and 2! This show is wonderfully fun and it's a treat to have so many talented voices in the cast! I was very disappointed with the overarching plot leading to the finale of season 3, and the finale itself... woof. It was BLATANT that they were not given enough episodes to develop the story properly.
upon my rewatch of ducktales, if you listen closely to Donald and Scrooge's argument/discussion, you can hear that they were literally discussing/arguing about Della and the Spear of Selene in the pilot.
Ive been sitting with the exact same thoughts for so long, im so happy you put them to words
Wow I completely forgot the entire back half of season 3. Thats wild, I love this show but I guess my brain did not accept the ending either
April May and June were underdeveloped yes, but that doesn't mean you can just entirely ignore their place in past stories. Huey, Dewey and Louie were just as underdeveloped and they managed to respect their past iterations, meanwhile the girls aren't even connected to Daisy at all!!! Not to mention poor April got fused with an entirely separate character.
Now I'm no Showrunner but what I would've done is make season 3 the way it was originally planned. Then use not only the hype of it being the "final" season but also Negaducks return as a way to argue for one final season to really finish the show off
37:05 It's a lesson that Huey needs to stop repressing his emotions. (Like how both Donald and Della have that Berserker Rage).
Thank you!The lesson seemed so obvious,I don't understand how it could be missed😭
season 3 was such a disappointment to me because huey was my favorite of the brothers. seeing how well they developed the other brothers in their respective seasons, i was so upset when i was watching weekly and realizing that they were running out of episodes in the season to do something with huey. he really could’ve benefitted from some evident conflict within his character, especially one that played off his mom or his already developed brothers.
When she said other shows and it started playing the Ninjago theme, I straight up started weahzing
I really hope the Darkwing Duck reboot is canon to this episode. Also I noticed that this show is actually getting some attention lately; people post memes about it on youtube shorts, and a few people have started making video essays, with this I really hope its starts trending like bluey and gets a 4th or even 5th season. (It's my favourite show ever)
I was not a fan of the season 3 nor of the finale, but not only the Bradford/Black Heron dynamic was one of my favourite parts of the whole series, but that final Black Hero scene ??!??! Damn 10/10, no notes
I think the Webbie twist could be done well, especially if it's hinted at early in the show. Heck, if they imply Webbie knows even if Beakley thinks she's in the dark, you get a tradegedy of her desperately trying to learn about a family that she feels she can't be part of.
Have Scrooge's "This is a family matter, and you are not family," hit her like a ton of bricks and affected her moving on. Have her start drifting apart. She makes friends outside of the McDuck family and still goes in adventures but not with the same gusto as before. Have the triplets notice and react.
Bring the twist to light at the beginning of season 3 instead of the end. Reveal that Scrooge had no clue he had a clone, and now he REALLY feels guilty about saying she wasn't family. Then, if they have to have May and June either have them stay evil of let Webby keep her speech but explain that they made her family BEFORE they knew about the blood relation. Then let them joke about it afterward as the season progresses
Scrooge has 0 clue how to behave around Webby now, and probably tries to avoid her. Then get Donald to point out how they're so alike in a lot of ways, both thrill seekers and paranoid conspiracy theorists. But Scrooge had a bad habit of pushing people away when it gets bad and Webbie holds on tighter. Maybe he should try and learn from her, both on how to stop pushing family away How Many TIMES Do We Have To Do This- and in how they'll interact moving forward.
Balance that with the idea I've seen presented of 'Huey has the next vain of 'Duck Invinsibility Rage Spirals'and let him balance how he feels about where he stands in the family. Dewey wants to be like their Mom, Lewey wants to be a but like Scrooge and Gladstone, let Huey balance. "Hey. I'm like Cousin Feathery" (And bump that episode to season 3) with "Oh- but we were RAISED by Uncle Donald." And the traits they all got from him get a highlight
Then, wrap up with Scrooge for once not pushing anyone away instead trusting them to get him out of the trouble he found himself in. You get your sappy ending and a callback to episode one.
"They're gonna get into trouble, I hope you can teach them how to get out of it."
The original 87 duck tales do portray Scrooge’s and Webby as a grandfather/ granddaughter relationship.
But yeah this final was very dumb
Honestly I did enjoy 87 Webby over reboot Webby.
I grew up w the original show but I never really watched it until I found this one. Original Webby honestly wasnt all that bad and it was clear that Scrooge had his own special bond with her as he did with his great-nephews.
@@KariIzumi1 Exactly.
Plus o think the back lash of OG Webby lead to the creation of Gosalyn from Darkwing duck. Who was indeed more unique to most kid characters from the late 80’s early 90’s
This video essay is SO fascinating to me. Because I loved DuckTales when it came out. But my perception was so different!
I always felt like Dewey was getting way more spotlight than the other kids, with Webby being a close second and then Huey and Louie being left in the dust. And for me, that through line was in all 3 seasons. Being a Louie enthusiast, I mourned that he almost never got to shine, he felt almost like a side character who got to lead in a handful of episodes and was otherwise ignored. I remember when the "all angles" conversation happened and being so excited that finally he'd get a more prominent role on par with the others. And then nothing changed. To me, at least.
But way, way, funnier than that is that I had completely forgotten about May and June. I straight up forgot they or the heir plottwist existed. That's how poorly executed it was.
FThe finale felt overwhelming and underwhelming at the same time.
Which felt even weirder because season 3 had a lot of reference-episode. I'd readily give up the Quack-Pack or Cloudkicker episode for a better paced main plot.
The teaser for FOWL also screwed the show over because it had to deliver on all the promised villains. Which also cost screentime for the focus characters.
So thankful UA-cam randomly reccomended this video to me. Definitely havent thought about the ducktales reboot since it ended precisely because of the disappointing finale. So it was nice to revisit it for an hour and think about how great it COULD have been. But alas. 😢
Amazing well-thought out video. Youve earned a sub 🎉
OMG LOVE ALL THE LOOKS IN THIS VIDEO
Danny pudi and paget brewster are some of my favourite actors
I don't like the decision to make webby a clone because i feel like Webby's story was an important one for kids about found family in a story centered around blood family. I do think an arc where she explored her own history would've been cool, but not in relation to scrooge. Maybe her parents were bad people, or stick with the beakley isnt the real granny thing, or make it to where whatever she does just leads to nothing and she just has to accept that the past doesn't matter because the present is what counts. So many good opportunities there. Also if the story HAD to end with webby becoming an "official" member of the family, i would've preferred a flash foward to her and dewey becoming a thing and her marrying into the family. Bot to be shipping crazy, but they were shown to be close and share common interest, pairing up numerous times. Especially with her helping him with della and stuff. Also would've been good development for dewey if it was set up right because it would've shown him becoming less "threatened by a romantic interest" lol. idk i just prefer webby vanderquack to april mcduck any day
Webby isn’t a clone. I’m not going to act like I know exactly how Heron created her, but she isn’t a clone.
That Webby season theory makes a lot of sense.
Season 3 was the show hitting its best... but also its worst. Episodes like Quack Pack and Double O Duck are easily some of my favourite in the show, but then we have the Fight for Castle McDuck which I believe is legitimately the worst. It feels nowhere near as tight or cleverly weaved together as Season 2, with FOWL and the Missing Mysteries being incredibly disconnected for a good part of the season. It's a shame because I really love the FOWL stuff, but the MIssing Mysteries are literally just fetchquests, so when they become more prominent and tie into FOWL's ultimate plan it all kinda falls apart. They also don't really give the non-FOWL villains enough to do so characters like Magica and Glomgold aren't given satisfying endings and, for some reason, Don Carnage is added to FOWL for the finale? And then he dies, I think? It's very weird. It feels like they mismatched two separate stories and lost sight of what should have been a very interesting parallel between Huey and Bradford. I dunno, I love the individual episodes but as an overarching narrative it kinda falls flat for me.
I love this show but it is the perfect example of how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
This is a great video that encapsulates a lot of the mixed thoughts I think most people have on the legacy of the show. I haven't disconnected as much and watch the first two seasons relatively regularly, but I rarely ever watch some of the later episodes in season three. Great job!
I was not expecting the end of the series back when the year was late 2019. I thought the show would be around longer than that, and I wanted Louie to have a second chance to go to Big Rock Candy Mountain without being grounded and missing out again.
How did Maxley brainrot took me to this place I don't know, but I ain't complaining it's awesome
Season one villain: an ancient sorceress hellbent on revenge
Season two villain: space Hitler
Season three villain: an accountant who doesn’t like adventure
I canr believe the montage in "The Last Crash of the Sunchaser" was a last minute addition! 😮
As an autistic person I loved this show. Like to the point where I wouldn't stop talking about it. I just related to all the characters in many different ways. They all felt real and also neurodivergent to me and it was amazing to see. The show not getting a fourth season made me so sad.
Ducktales was my favorite show for a while, especially since I'm someone who was obsessed with all the comics as a child (I had like 5 decades of weekly Donald Duck comics lmaoo). But eugh I really wish they had the time to just give Huey and Webby seperate arcs. I really hate how Huey has a small build up to being important in the final but he just gets captured and that's it for his arc. I also knew about the girl triplets existing beforehand due to how many comics I read, and as one of those superfans who knew about them I just felt dissapointed lol. I mean, the surprise is already gone because I was able to immediately clock that they were sisters. I really wish they just made them the triplets Daisy cares for. Making Webby one of them never sat right with me
THE JAB AT NINJAGO IM DECEASED 💀💀💀
Also I’m really happy to hear another girl likes Ninjago as much as I did!
I’m pretty sure somebody already said this, but I always thought the Duke of making a mess. Was like the Donald anger being transferred to the next generation.
Even with the writers being cut short, there are definitely ways that they could have trimmed the fat to keep more a balance between focusing on Webby and Huey. I mean, did we really need stuff like the Talespin episode, or the Rumble for Ranarok episode?
Even though I was personally never into any of those Webby x Triplets pairings, I do feel bad that those fans' ships had to get tainted by that plot twist.
I was straight up laughing at the meltdowns. Those ships aged like milk. 😂
I was an admin on the DuckTales amino and it was chaos lmao
@@TwiDashFTW I was also on the amino! It was the trenches fr!
Hearing you mention Ninjago in passing reminded me.
PLEASE review Dragons Rising it's good.
Personally, this is my DuckTales, I just choose to ignore the finale in general. Just Like Danny Phantom (although I suppose with the book that's been fixed, so just give Disney 15 years of backlash and they'll retcon the ending lol)
I really love this show (you can tell by my PFP) however season 3 was VERY rushed. The betrayal plotline felt sped through, like, “oh yeah, my investors suck! Ok.” And the Huey focus was… not at all. That really sucks to, because Dewey was very clearly the season 1 main character and Lewey was season 2’s. I’m almost certain Huey was supposed to have more focus in Season 3 and all the Webby stuff would be in season four. However, it got all shoved in to one, very cluttered season. Still great though, I LOVE this show.
this, along with many other reasons, is why if i ever make a tv show its only getting 2 seasons.
like how your outfit is themed on the focus character of the season
daisy should’ve been introduced earlier in general
It was stated on one of the producers' blog that she was originally going to work for Glomgold in Season 1. I can't remember why this was changed though.
I adore the first and second seasons and will watch them over and over, but the third season really does feel rushed and incomplete, and leaves a bitter taste in the mouth of the fandom. It really is the ending of this show that puts me off from telling other people to watch it.
no one understands the second embarrassment that I get trying to explain how much I love ducktakes only for my favorite characters to be LIN MANUEL MIRANDA.
Ben schwartz is the best actor known to mankind and this is the best ducktales reboot essay known to man kind you really did it justice ❤
I would like to point you to the over 500 issue long series of comic books predating the Ducktales show and beeing the inspiration for the Ducktales show
This reboot is a LOT closer to the comics (with massive liberties taken)
It makes the reboot a superior product to the original
yes thank you!! so many people in the fandom don't even understand that.
YES THANK YOU! I hated the finale dude
I thought Webby being Scrooge's clone recontextualised her fangirl worship of Scrooge as self love all along, which I thought was really sweet the first time I watched it. I watched the show a while after it was finished and so didn't interact with the fandom much, maybe seeing how the creators interacted with the fanbase would have given me different expectations for the ending and contributed to the disappointment. But I was mainly disappointed we didn't get more Ducktales than that.