This Is Why You Don't Want To Buy A $500 Allis Chalmers Two-Ten Tractor...
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I could watch you and your dad work on stuff all day. Would give anything to be able to work with my dad again for just one day so enjoy that.
Could not do that..... I would have to be restrained to NOT get my hands dirty working on it with these guys. There is 2 engine shops (one only builds fresh motors).
Same bro, I wish I could have had some of these moments with my father, even just a couple of minutes to show him how far I've come. You truly don't know what you have till its gone 😔.
@@dorsk84 aq!!!!!!!!!!dd
Likewise I am 70 now and remember very fondly sitting straddle to a brake backing plate on a 55 Buick Special working on brakes with dad at probably 11-12 years old. My dad and my electrical master (another Godly influence) shaped my life to be a man that pursues excellence in my personal life, my work and trade. These folks are a great family and show the tight knit family relationship that makes our country the best. God bless this wonderful family. The tractor is way cool, the outcome was great and I enjoyed the comments and the video!
What cubic inch is that tractor engine.
I've built thousands of engines and I never thought to use a dial indicator for valve lash. I love when I learn something new. Works great.
Been wrenching for years…always wondered about using a dial indicator for valves.
The old IH 6 cylinder engines wear the rockers funny to the point you really have a hard time getting them set right with a feeler gauge.
Gonna give this a try!
It works great, with a well worn rocker pad where a feeler gauge really can't give an accurate setting.
What a beast of a motor. Nothing is made like this anymore.
No auto steer, no satellite uplinks, no computer, no emissions, YES
I am pretty sure it has emissions.
@@PhilipMarroni
74 diesel tractor?
Doubt that very much.
Worries me the ultra low sulfer in today's diesel has no lubricity that engine needs. An additive to the fuel is needed.
@@happydays8171 y'all are happy it has no emissions system but what we're trying to point out is that thing is definitely spewing chemicals into the air. i don't miss the days where everyone was down 20iq because we had no choice but to breathe lead
@@oldfag_adventures
I get what you're saying. As a truck driver, I used to get stuck behind a Mack just spewing out the black smoke, I'd roll up my windows until it came in thru the heater vents. But we've gone too far. 15ppm sulfur diesel has no lubricity, and is prone to algae and microbiological growth. 500ppm was just right, we should go back to that.
@@happydays8171 you can get an additive to bring the lubricity back up. idk what to say honestly because i think diesels are useful and a mechanical marvel but i think they should be restricted to commercial use. just like how the common-man shouldn't have access to radioactive materials i think the common-man shouldn't be allowed diesel toys, at least until we find a way to fix the damage they do. it's our job to take care of the area we inhabit, otherwise it will become inhospitable to us. in my eyes it's only self preservation to put away the toys until the problem caused by them is fixed. some people are selfish and don't think about how their actions affect others because there's not a direct result. it's not like diesels are going around shooting people, but with a flock or two of them you can make it harder to breathe for some people and that's something no one should have the right to take from you.
Being a son that also worked with my Dad in the family business, this brings back great memories and warms the heart. It seemed tough at the time as a kid working on the job site, but those lessons learned have proven to be invaluable. 🤝
That is sweet ole machine right there! ...Way better than any modern computer chip and plastic tractor.Thanks for bringing us along!
No that's just romanticizing the past. Modern tractors can do 100x the work in the same period of time.
@@enermaxstephens1051 Just return it to dealer for ALL REPAIRS !!!
@@georgepruitt637 True that has to go, but aside from that modern tractors are far superior.
@@enermaxstephens1051
As a "farm machinery mechanic "for 40 yrs, No, they are not.
@@georgepruitt637 You're going to have to show me the old one that can keep up with the new one in terms of performance. I can harvest much more and do much more work with the new ones. There's a reason we don't use those anymore, they sit in the barn. The only advantage the old ones have is that you can work on them.
I’m a Swedish gunsmith and enjoy different channels at youtube, mostly precision gun stuff but I also watch general mashing and engine work. This shop is a joy to visit thru the screen! Great content and a extremely well kept shop! I’ve seen many shops dealing with a lot “cleaner” work than engines that look nothing like your place😄👍 Great to se a dad and son sharing their craft and passing along knowledge like this, well done!
That's hilarious, just talking about yourself right off the bat
"I'm a blah blah blah and some MORE stuff about me"
precision is a key thing, especially with stuff like internals of machinery, or in your case, the internals of a gun, like the trigger mechanism and recoil assembly.
as a suggestion you would like ‘Cutting Edge Engineering Australia’ now thats a guy that knows his stuff
$500 would barely cover a down payment on a set of tires on that beast .. what I found most interesting/fascinating is the wristpin alignment , I'm not a diesel mechanic but I wouldn't have believed in this procedure if I hadn't seen it for myself
🚜For the thousands you've spent , you're getting tens of thousands worth of machine🚜
Epic Thumbs Up 😇❤
I’ve built a lot of smaller gas engines, and I’ve never heard of the wrist pin boring. Usually the rods either had no bushings, or they were just replaced.
I love to watch people who are experts in what they do. One question I have is that you didn't show any work on the fuel system. An engine that would have run that many hours to show the kind of wear your's showed would definitely had enough wear in the injectors and pump to warrant a rebuild or replacement of those parts, but you didn't mention that.
@@tomrogers9467 Almost all diesel engines have wristpin bushing and they come slightly undersize to allow for finish machining after pressing into the rod.
Well done guys !!!
@@brucejones2354 The engine had run hot, I don't think it was the hours.
One of the things I like the most about you two, is how well you get along as father and son!!
It's really cool to see this is a family job/business even had your mom out there. Must be a very proud dad to see his son learn the trade carry on the family business, I would be!
Wonderful to see such a clean workshop and correct cutting fluids. I worked for castrol in Australia for 25 years and I am always dismayed at the number of workshops that are cluttered and use no metalworking fluids. Their tool life must be appealing
Love that precision engine work. Very educational for me, a regular machinist and tool maker(not automotive). I’m sure that engine produced much more horsepower and torque after the rebuild.
If you learned to be a machinist you can learn to rebuild engines I promise you. I learned how to run a CNC Machine when I was going to school to be a machine tool technology and it was a lot harder to learn than rebuilding engines. Of course I did grow up building engines so I might be a little biased.
@@shatteredreality1987 I’m very familiar with automotive engine work and did a lot of it as a machinist for Holman & Moody racing in the sixties. Automotive dovetails well with regular machinist work and is easier to learn as you mentioned. My career began in the fifties with tool and die design and build from sixties to now. Last twenty five years since retirement in my own one man shop.
@@ellieprice363 wow!! Holman Moody has a magical sound to it. Did you work on the Le Mans Ford GTs? You could probably tell an amazing story yourself!
@@deedeeko9 No, my time with Holman/Moody was a few years before the LeMans cars but I know their history and successes. I machined parts and helped build engines for Fred Lorensen, the Wood Brothers, Fireball Robert’s, Curtis Turner, and many others. John’s son Lee, now owner and president of Holman/Moody, was a teenager when I was there in 1961.
Ford versus Ferrari is one of my favorite movies and I’ve watched it several times.
John ran the shop and Ralph was the engineer and former racer. Joe Rump was the camshaft grinder and Herb Nab was the setup man and crew chief. A lot has changed since those early years. I was there when Fred put Curtis in the wall on the last lap and won the Rebel 300 in the summer of’61. Curtis was so angry he wrecked Fred on the cool down lap. Nelson Stacy won the Southern 500 that year. Lots of good memories of those times.
@@shatteredreality1987 Enignes are really easy if you ask me. Although I only tare down and put back togetrher.
Was talking to my dad about your channel and come to find out, in the early 2000s your dad did the machine work on a big block for us, glad to see the business still rocking!
ALWAYS a good day when your freshly assembled engine turns over on the first turn of the key and you don’t hear noises. That tractor looked eager to get back to work when it sat up a bit when the attachments dug in. Great work and video. 👍
Man there is nothing more soothing to my OCD than an accurate and competent machinist. I could watch precision work being done to correct imperfections all day long. I love this, and you guys have something special there!!!
Superb workmanship from a great father and son (mom too!) team. The difference between industrial engines and even the very best automotive engines is eye popping. The robust engineering and construction of industrial engines assure long life and reliable operation under the most demanding conditions. Furthermore, multiple rebuilds are not only possible but probably economic as well. Thank you for an excellent video.
When you do all the work to the motor, you know that it's ready to work for a long time. Spending more doesn't gaurantee getting more! Great video, really like seeing these old birds freshened up and ready for more decades in the field.
I use a dial indicator to set all solid lifter valves. Been told it's not necessary, but I like knowing that they're all accurately set. Glad to see that I'm not the only one who does it.
Yep,being OCD as a engine builder can only
make a smoother running longer lasting engine.
That 426 cu in Allis engine was a great engine
I really enjoy the father’s humble, funny knowledgeable personality.
I’m 57. Grew up on a cattle and sheep ranch near a little town called Piñon NM. Left in 85. Joined the Navy, was an airline captain and instructor…. Developed a neurological movement disorder and can no longer fly.. so I started a construction company building homes in N Ohio.
I said all that to say this. From 75-85 I helped my dad rebuild engines, brakes.. pretty much all things mechanical. I use to love going to the machine shops to get the engine blocks, heads, crank etc ready for us to re assemble. If I had life to do again, I’d get an engineering / business degree instead of aviation / business. I’d find a shop like yours and work to learn as much as possible. Then… dream of owning my own shop one day. There is just something about making things old new and better.
In a previous life i did a lot of tractor engine rebuilds out in the field here in the UK, mainly Fords and Massey Ferguson's. I like they way you have different terminology for some of the engine components. The wrist pin here is a Gudgeon pin and the valve spring retainers we call Colletts. Keep them videos coming, it's taking years off my life.
I admire both your patience, attention to details and skills as craftsmen! Including your video techniques. Thanks.
We have a 1974 200 Allis with about 2800 hours on it. It is still the most trouble free tractor we've ever owned although it's not used much. We bought it in 1998 with 1500 hrs on it from an old farmer in Iowa. This old girl still looks like new. It's really cool you boys keeping the old orange running like new again.
I do this every day but it’s somehow nice to watch someone else do it! Love those older AC’s, just finished a 170.
Always a pleasure to watch you work. A Machinist's machinist.
Clean, focused attention to detail with no corners cut. Just what true professionalism is about.
Runs beautifully. My father-in-law worked for Allis in the 1950s to 1970s. He precision ground FI needles and loved his job. He was heartbroken when the company went broke and made their last tractor in 1985. Thanks for sharing your expert engine work.
Man, that setup with the dial indicator to measure the valve lash is a priceless bit of information. I will remember that forever.
Ever since I was young, I've heard of pin boring machines, but never saw one until now. Now I understand why no one could ever explain how one worked to me. I bought a new Kwik-Way valve and seat grinder set when I was 19 years old in '72-'73 From Eino Mustonen. I think I paid around $1600.00 for it. Nice to watch a couple of real automotive machinist' work, and not just a couple of parts changers. You have a beautiful shop
I sure enough enjoyed this video. As a farmer that still uses old equipment, I love seeing folks using good old iron. I have a Perkins A413 that’s going to need a rebuild soon. I wish y’all were closer to GA to do the machine work.
Might be worth shipping it there knowing it will be done RIGHT.
just a tip for those head bolts underneath the rocker shaft, if you take your crows foot extension and turn it 90 degrees either way relative to the handle of your torque wrench, you dont have to adjust or compensate your torque settings. reason being, it adds no additional lenth to the the torque wrench. so just put your extension on turn it 90 degrees and torque it down as normal... love the vids!
Watching y'all's guys videos brings back memories of me working with my father the nostalgia is great it makes me miss him though you guys are really lucky to have this relationship and business together building something like this with your father or son makes it really special. Great job on the tractor
Not my tractor, not my shop, and not my skill/expertise. Yet SO immensely satisfying to watch.
I'm glad you guys published this!
What a great relationship you guys have, you could make hours long videos of this type of engineering and I would watch it like many other here. Keep them coming Sir. Buy your Dad a beer for me, and give you Mother a hug. God bless you Sir.
You might already know this, back in the 70s aluminum was in short supply (alcoa strike) so pistons were being made for about a year or so from late 73 thru 74 with 100 series cast alloy, which on paper has quite a expansion range. Likely the reason for it to be so dimensionally sloppy.
Good information!
@@kevinmccune9324 I did alot of research recently on the subject, it turns out during the war periods in the 40s, korean war and even part of vietnam the same thing happened, most pistons were being made from 100 series cast (A lower grade than even a cast wheel). Its expansion rate was pretty nuts, about .002 per inch per 100C. That meant in most Farmall and Allis tractors of the period nearly all of them had very loose pistons. They also had keystone style rings, I'm not exactly sure what that means I am guessing that's a ring type that prevents heavy gouging of the wall. My grandfather had even more information. He said back in the day, the books for these engines had "stock piston" boring information, and that at the time the rebuilder piston, ring and sleeve manufacturers often set their own bore spec because the pistons would be made of a different material. We've had a WD45 Diesel I've used for over twenty two years and my grandfather used for forty or more. I rebuilt the engine two years ago, originally made in 1955 as a 56 model, so it would have been a Korean war machine. In fact my grandfather bought it brand new for HIS father to use as a cultivator when he got back from the war. The kit I used has modern pistons, sleeves, the whole thing including modern tri metal bearings. Our 4066r and the wd have roughly the same pto horsepower and the wd uses only a gallon an hour to run the brush mower. The 4066r is easily more than twice that. Just shows you why the old stuff is still viable and worth the money.
@@blackopsrocks Back in the day my brother tried to buy a diesel WD45 off of a farmer( think it was in pieces) for some reason couldn't make the deal,Dad used one at a farm He was manager of, He claimed the Diesel had enough torque to ruin the tires if it was really fouled. My Uncle had a gas 45 he used a lot the old 45 would actually pull a 3 bottom plow in this ground, something happened to it and my brother rebuilt it for Him, the old pistons had been knurled. My brother finally ended up with an old 45( gas) if memory serves me correctly the old Diesel engine and gas engine had the same displacement, some old "Cubs" had cast iron pistons, nice to hear from someone who has had experience with old AllisChalmers, my brother had this huge book on the History of Allis Chalmers, how they went from riches to Rags, they used to dabble in a lot of things, once upon a time even turboprop engines, the book listed a test bed B29 that had the Allis turboprop grafted to the nose of the aircraft for testing purposes, it had enough power to drag the aircraft along with the 4 main engines shut off, the current worlds largest pumped storage facility very close to here has 6 Allis turbines for generation-Kevin
@@kevinmccune9324 fantastic hearing from another ac fan btw.
@@blackopsrocks Thank you
I’d say you got one hell’uva deal. Trans, Rear and hydro along with the frame, cab and tires were good or better then good.
One thing I’m glad to see, your dad used TIRE SOAP on the O rings on the cans. Some people thing that you need to pack the lower ring groove …. DONT! Some grease/lube will push out but then you have a groove filled with grease and the o ring has no place to seat and when the coolant comes to temp and pressure… it will blow that lower ring right out and dump coolant into the pan on the first day
I love watching you and your dad working together - he has so much knowledge and experience to impart, and everything you do shows the care and professionalism you bring - Bravo!
What a good and correct Job you're doing ! I repaired Engines for Years , working together with a Shop Like youres. 👍 Now i have retired, i am "cleaning" on, to help my Son and his Friends fixing their Oldtimers . IT is so healthy, using all these little Help from Tools ! The Health is a Gift, we have to keep seriously. I am writing from Germany and i am happy to see such good Craftsmenship! But....don't tell Mom.......she knews IT already when you're thinkin about it....👍😉👍 Stay healthy , Regards from the Harz Mountains, Rudi
I really enjoyed the low-key, conversational tone of the interview. The appreciation and cooperation between father and son is heart warming. Very well done video you two!
I love watching your guys videos!
My Uncle and late Grandfather started their machine shop (B&B automotive) when I was just a little baby and have been visiting them all my life and hanging out while they're working. Love watching and learning how the machining process works and what goes into each step. Keep up the awesome videos guys!
I really liked the production of this video. Nice to hear you and your dad discussing the work
That crank looks like jewelry after polishing! You guys make an awesome father-son team!
That must have taken a long time to edit, it was beyond next level. Thanks for taking us on the entire process. The only thing you can add now is the blooper reel. You guys are on your way to many more viewers.
This video was superb! Your are incredibly lucky that you get to work with your dad, as he seems like a wonderful person. Due to the last 30 years being “you’ll have no life without a college degree” his skills are a dying breed. Can’t forget your mom, too…..”hi, mom!”
The great state of Colorado... That engine and tractor will last a good long time.
I’ve been watching your vids off and on for a while. The quality of the videos, and the narration is really very good.
Lots of relevant information, and always interesting.
It enjoy watching how an expert , experienced machine works.
Thanks for the video and narration. Tractors are fun to work on because they are so robustly built. Really enjoy watching you showcase your skills and equipment.
There is a certain Zen to watching an Engine get rebuilt.
Second ring cast , Top steel/chrome so ether usually takes second out "first"
Nice "tips of experience" there..
In this video and the comments too, many folks don't realize how good they are and how very much they really know. Y'all are amazing. Keep it up.
For someone who was never exposed to a lot of engine work this in depth this is absolutely fascinating to watch even though I don't understand a lot of it! Your videos hold my complete attention! Nice job with the engine work, explanation and the quality of the videos.
An excellent video - very instructional on how to rebuild an engine. You and dad work together well by complementing one another. Thank you for posting this particular episode - hope to see more in the near future.
Very nice, loved hearing the engine work. I spent a lot of hours in a 200 back in the day on our farm, takes me back.
Makes me feel good to see you do such quality work.
I have no idea about anything mechanical but I am totally absorbed by you and your Dad working together to achieve what you do. Cheers from Aussie....
Jeez. Can’t believe I watched this to the end. Just wanted to see it crank up. I spent a lotta hours atop my grandads small Ford in the mud 70’s. It did what we needed it to do. Miss those days.
I really enjoyed the this end to end run through and the different production of the video. Also it was nice relaxed pace that easily conveyed all the key points and gave a glimpse of the mutual respect in your relationship. Great job. Well done all round.
Best video so far! Listening to your dad along with you it’s amazing 👍🏻 great work!
I have an AC200 from 1973. Best tractor I've ever had. Fuel consumption is very low as well.
Great video I have rebuilt several of this same engine as we still farm with Allis Chalmers equipment. I did send the head rods crank and other internal parts to a local machine shop to be professionally done. Final assembly was all done by myself. We have thousands of hours on these machines after being rebuilt and they run great. Keep up the good work.
Just ran across this video. I'll be watching more! I was raised on a farm in Kansas during the 60's and 70's. We had mostly Allis Chalmers tractors. My favorite was the Two-Ten. Dad managed to buy it new while the others were bought used. I spent many, many hours on the Two-Ten. We had a couple of One-Ninety XTs and a couple of WD 45s. It would be nice to see the accumulation of tractors your dad has!
There's nothing like a father and son working together thank you for all the abuse you got
Lying in bed at night thinking “Gee, did I torque those rod bolts?”. Ha-ha. Been there, done that many times. Love your channel. It brings back so many good memories of my automotive machine shop days. Not always, but for the most part it was like making a living while enjoying your hobby. 👍🏻
Keep a log book.
Neighbor had a 210. It made the AC dealer a small fortune in parts and labor.
Keep up the great work, enjoy the precision machining that you two do.
i love engines, i'd never get a chance to see stuff like this if it wasn't for guys like you all. Definitely subbed
Great vid! Being an old farm boy and a mechanic with older diesels. If anyone can remember the cartridges that Alis Chalmers and I think Waukesha diesels with a couple of other brands had a coolant conditioner cartridge that needed to be changed out regularly. This prevented deterioration on wet sleeves due to "cavitation" and electrolysis on aluminum parts.
Our 66 and 86 series internationals all have coolant filters with the conditioner pellets in them.
Fantastic Video!!! It is soo cool to see industrious people bring their machines to new - and in this case BETTER than new condition!!! With the care that was given to matching the rod- lengths, the attention to detail with the bearings fitment, the re-ground: camshaft / lifters / rockers , the re-sized big-end rod saddles, the complete overhaul of the head, this machine is now worth a LOT more money than what it originally sold for... The absence of the complex-high tech electronics really appeal to a lot of people who need dependable performance along with ease of maintenance for their ag-business's... And the all metal construction really helps the durability as well. Xlnt Job gentlemen!!!
Very, very well done. I especially appreciate your disciplined use of impact tools.
I'm surprised that narrator didn't know about the bolt and washer holding the sleeve from trying to get the blank out of Dodge city. Or he was simply mentioning it out loud for exsplicative reasons. But none the less a good idea!!! I was a diesel tech Forman on the Alaskan pipe line back in the 70s if that explains my interest. And I've noticed this man has evidently been doing this for a long while!!! And it shows!!!
Loving the back and forth voice over. informative and relaxing. very nice.
Yeah i agree. My Dad and i used to work on the equipment together. This helps me remember those days. He passed away in 96.
“Ran out of day before I ran out of work.” Ain’t that how it always goes!
Very good video.
The rebuild process was very good.
You gave the Allis Chalmers another full life.
This is a very detailed job you did.
Great content.
Thanks for sharing, Ed.
Rebuilt a number of engines my self over the years on the farm. Proud of doing it. Got it running me and proud of it.
Nothing like a machine shop and people who take pride in their work! awesome video
Very cool vid. Nice to see father and son enjoy working together and learning along the way.
great format! it's like watching interviews after a sports game where they have the player and they're going over plays from the game. really well done!
Got into the first 10 seconds or so of the video and already I was already hooked.
How nice to have the time, talent, equipment, money and drive to rebuild this old tractor. Good job!!!!!
I have a little job shop with a CNC mill, CNC lathe, and a manual mill and lathe. A few other things like a shaper, small horizontal mill, and surface grinder. The amount of specialty machine tools for an engine machine shop always blows my mind.
New subscriber, you have the perfect ratio of talk/see/explain. Well done guys, great work!
Excellent work! That engine looked like jewelery inside when you were finished! And the one-crank startup says it all : perfect build. Impressive!
Nice work guys and the longer vid is great, keep them coming!
How have I not found this channel earlier? This is top tier stuff! Wonderful camera shots combined with great narration. Well done, subscribed!
probably my favorite video of yours I have seen. I love the Q&A format with your dad and the length is excellent!
Old is gold. This applies to the tractor, those shop tools and the guy doing the work!
That was great! Been a long time since I've been into a good machine shop and watched the rebuild process.
My Dad was an auto mechanic with his own business many years ago.
I could watch these videos all day everyday. The stuff you guys do is amazing.
Props to you for working in a machine shop being 25 and having back problems! That was my dream job until my back told me I couldn't do it.
I really like the precision work that you guys do. You two (3 counting mom) are truly professionals. Thank You,
The satisfaction of disassembling, something broken or worn out, repairing, reassembling and having it work correctly is what got me started in wrenching on cars, trucks, and farm equipment.
I just love watching an engine get all cleaned up and running again like new.
Now that's what I call a Tidy n Fully kitted Workshop.. Fantastic job to with your lad 👦 what a competent young man who clearly Understands the processes involved..liked n subscribed..
Really enjoyed the video. I grew up on an Allis Chalmers and it was nice seeing one from my generation come back to life.
The knowledge it takes let alone the machinery. I have no clue why I watched it but what a fantastic result.
AC not big and green ...... you can fix yours Keep it running simple and it works. Thanks for the video
Fantastic video quality and subject matter. So nice to see such a great team working together. Thank you for sharing this awesome video !!
It's definitely an awesome tractor. Absolutely no exhaust filter and no re Gen or DEF fluids. That engine and tractor is a solid high quality machine. I have worked on WD 45 and 175 series tractors and both are very solid heavy duty smaller tractors.
A clean engine is a happy engine. Beautiful work 👌
We had one of the first 210s. This is a great video. First overhaul I did with my Dad was a WD. High compression pistons, sleeves, camshaft. Babies it breaking it in and wow, It had a lot more power. Could pull a 3 bottom plow in third gear instead of second. That was too fast.
Our 210 was tweeked up to 135 hp. I love the distinct crack when you throttled up the engine.