Viewer tells us what's wrong with my valve job!

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  • @JAMSIONLINE
    @JAMSIONLINE Рік тому +223

    Appreciate the shoutout, and more importantly appreciate the way you approached the scenario with the viewer... When we choose to put our work on the internet, we open ourselves to the criticism of the world... That includes some of our peers who are qualified to offer criticism, as well as the less qualified individuals who still feel the need to criticize! But it's important to take the time to educate, and this was a great example! 😀

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  Рік тому +33

      Thank you, sir!, yeah, it's tough sometimes to even make a coherent thought out of some of the responses... but overall, the responses on my channel are overwhelming positive,

    • @timblossom8904
      @timblossom8904 Рік тому +5

      I appreciate guys like you that can take the good and bad and still keep sharing. I have often wondered how many people refuse to share the knowledge they have with the masses because of the negativity that follows.

    • @2high2flyfpv88
      @2high2flyfpv88 Рік тому

      Ain't that the truth.@@timblossom8904

    • @jimw6991
      @jimw6991 Рік тому +5

      I am a mechanical engineer but worked my way thru​ college machining valves, heads, etc. Wondering in last video you said if valves leak air then they will leak mineral spirits. I don't recall ever trying this but seems possibile that with air pressure you might find a leak not showing with fluid?
      I say this because we 100 percent air check driveshaft slip yoke plugs to be sure they wouldn't leak trans fluid when installed in a vehicle. Air would find leaks fluid wouldn't. We did this at Dana Corporation as part of thier procedure to build OEM driveshafts for the big 3.
      That said your plunger explanation as likely cause of issue seems most logical, not sure why mechanic who dissed your work wouldn't have checked it before pulling a cylinder head. Easy to set up a dial indicator and compare position of plungers on a couple of lifters. Thanks for making the video.
      @powellmachineinc3179

    • @KX6D
      @KX6D Рік тому +2

      I watch your channel too. I'm retiring and moving to NW Arkansas where I'll be working on classic wood boats, rebuilding their engines, and hope I can find a good machine shop like you guys!

  • @kenbergelt6975
    @kenbergelt6975 Рік тому +419

    This gentleman here has explained everything so patiently and has been so respectful in every way. For me, that says SO much about him and his character.

    • @TOMAS-lh4er
      @TOMAS-lh4er Рік тому +8

      Even Ray Charels would see the leak " !!!!! Your killin me , Ha,Ha !

    • @FriendxA
      @FriendxA Рік тому

      who is "Ray Charels"?
      @@TOMAS-lh4er

    • @tomstulc9143
      @tomstulc9143 Рік тому +2

      I have a half dozen sets of heads. Will gladly let him practice screwing up on them. An I won't charge usage fees for the practice heads.

    • @stephenmadden6480
      @stephenmadden6480 Рік тому

      Agree

    • @danielminchew8782
      @danielminchew8782 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@tomstulc9143 Your Sir are part of our problem as professional techs...

  • @daveleighton4683
    @daveleighton4683 Рік тому +126

    If you were my service provider, I would stick with you through thick and thin because you have treated this issue with utmost seriousness and the way you resolved the situation was completely professional and you didn't quibble with the client. You were a man of honor in this instance.

    • @Haffschlappe
      @Haffschlappe 8 місяців тому +2

      Me too and I am from Germany

  • @owensbama1923
    @owensbama1923 10 місяців тому +20

    I am an Aircraft Mechanic of 25 years. The reason i say that is brcause i do know a little about this stuff. Im not an office worker or mamas basement keyboard warrior. I could tell from the first video the guy that sent the head back had a valvetrain issue of some kind. Could have been several things. I believe you showed that very easily. I have seen valves with nearly 1/8th inch play in an automotive application still seat and not leak. He clearly had some blowby but something held that valve open and had zero to do with the valve job your guy did. Period. I appreciate your channel and the informative nature of it. Great job.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  10 місяців тому +1

      Tyvm!!

    • @supershippy100
      @supershippy100 4 місяці тому +1

      I was thinking possibly a bad camshaft?

    • @adaneshade
      @adaneshade 4 місяці тому +1

      @@supershippy100 That was my though as well, An improper grind on the exhaust lobe never allowing the valve to close completely, or a stuck hydraulic lifter.

    • @UziMusic
      @UziMusic 4 місяці тому

      @@supershippy100 Lifter? were springs after market? were they snapping shut properly?

  • @trentm7964
    @trentm7964 Рік тому +306

    As a machinist of 30 years myself. You are someone i would trust with my parts. And i don't trust very many people. Take care my friend.

    • @charlesg5085
      @charlesg5085 Рік тому +4

      He needed to check that runout and machine to spec.

    • @FastHemi
      @FastHemi Рік тому +15

      Same here, 33 years and I agree this guy is awesome and trustworthy

    • @eriklarson9137
      @eriklarson9137 Рік тому +14

      I wish the owner of that head would poke his head in this comments section. Lol. Although, I bet he is so smart, he knows more than the whole Internet so no one could tell him he is wrong.

    • @gerradcraig6370
      @gerradcraig6370 Рік тому +5

      Yeah no shit, duh… obviously he’s trustworthy and knows his shit, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out

    • @jimdiamond8246
      @jimdiamond8246 Рік тому +9

      The trouble is people are having an opinion but have no engineering degree or experience .I have over 40 years in my industry and have similar issues with people having a opinion on some thing they have no real experience on the issue .the internet and the world is full of these people .

  • @dustinloudermilk4349
    @dustinloudermilk4349 10 місяців тому +7

    You proved your case when you lapped the value by hand for 30 seconds and it was perfectly in round great job buddy your shop did everything rite....

  • @SosopChabot
    @SosopChabot Рік тому +488

    I admire your patience with keyboard mechanics, it reflects on your business success. Keep on trucking brother…

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  Рік тому +38

      I appreciate that

    • @SocketSlinger
      @SocketSlinger Рік тому +25

      He's definitely got more patients than myself and most.

    • @loundclear9279
      @loundclear9279 Рік тому +10

      @@powellmachineinc You tube mechanics? Where can I apply lol
      Bra keep it moving your doing great and great on explaining things i support it
      😃

    • @jeffreydurham5342
      @jeffreydurham5342 Рік тому +18

      It's amazing to me how many people comment on subjects that that they know nothing about like they are experts.

    • @dano7480
      @dano7480 Рік тому +7

      Yeah no doubt, you can tell he cares about his work. It would be better if he could focus on what he does without worrying about the keyboard mechanics. If I was him I wouldn't even bring the morons comments up but that shows you how much he respects his work.

  • @jaredmcquiniff6174
    @jaredmcquiniff6174 Рік тому +140

    It’s funny how the guy on UA-cam with a professional machine shop knows more than the people who swear they know what’s wrong with stuff and never put hands on it! I’m glad you have patience and knowledge to educate people. This is the kind of channel I enjoy watching.

    • @MWilk098
      @MWilk098 Рік тому +6

      The person he was responding to was obviously a machinist themselves.

    • @ericeastmead7770
      @ericeastmead7770 Рік тому +3

      I'm a millwright/ fabrication tradesmen (non-union), He may be a machinist, but from what I see about his lack of knowledge of thermal expansion, especially between different metals I personally would never send my work to his shop. I have worked on billion dollar equipment In particular a 350' continuous OSB press that grows 9" from cold start to operating temp. so tolerance changes for every part attached. and I do hundreds of pump rebuilds . depending on some exotic materials and temperature of what's being pumped. a lot of research goes into thermal growth. love your work brother

    • @matthewwebb6001
      @matthewwebb6001 Рік тому +3

      @@ericeastmead7770 The last millwright I met on a job was a pretty cool guy and knew his stuff.. I just can't see someone who should know better acting like you are unless you just don't believe the guy went 20years without a return.

    • @ericeastmead7770
      @ericeastmead7770 Рік тому

      ​@matthewwebb6001 I know everyone screws up, I know I have. I'm just saying you have to understand thermal growth when setting tolerance especially when using different metals.

    • @MurgatroidGarfunkle
      @MurgatroidGarfunkle Рік тому

      @@ericeastmead7770 But he said he's never had a head returned to him in 20yrs. Wouldn't this thermal expansion thing you speak of cause issues with every job he's done?

  • @danburby7936
    @danburby7936 10 місяців тому +22

    IM 86 YRS OLD,IVE DONE HUNDREDS,IF NOT THOUSANDS OF VALVE JOBS,AND I NEVER HAD A CUSTOMER COMPLAINT,IM SORRY FOR YOU WHEN YOU GET A CUSTOMER WHO KNOWS MORE ABOUT YOUR TRADE THAN YOU DO,YOUR A GREAT TEACHER

  • @stevewelborn8744
    @stevewelborn8744 Рік тому +149

    This probably won't impress you but I just wanted to tell you. I've been a cylinder head man for 40 years and have worked at a very high quality shop. I have subscribed to you because I feel you are very sharp and I love how you handle things.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  Рік тому +38

      Thank you so much!! It's amazing to me how many awesome folks on yt reach out with positive feedback!!

    • @eriklarson9137
      @eriklarson9137 Рік тому +9

      I subbed as well. This dude knows his stuff for sure.

    • @nataliewassel3187
      @nataliewassel3187 Рік тому

      Yeah I can't understand how the other combustion Chambers don't show no sign of carbon

    • @ThomasELeClair
      @ThomasELeClair 4 місяці тому

      ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I got hooked when I saw how he went about correcting a bent pontiac camshaft........................I worked in an auto machine shop 10 years,,[ the advent of crate motors killed the local small machine shops ] ,,,,before that I had my apprenticeship......my passion for never ending learning curves.....

  • @bencrisp9776
    @bencrisp9776 Рік тому +15

    My daddy always said,, you can't tell people that don't know... Keep up the good work.

    • @Woefman911
      @Woefman911 4 місяці тому +1

      Im gonna remember that 😊

  • @jack_0U812
    @jack_0U812 Рік тому +69

    Ray Charles would see the leak. Best laugh I've had in a while.

    • @jameslue-a-king9824
      @jameslue-a-king9824 Рік тому +2

      Quick, fast and in a hurry, did it for me...

    • @DutchKC9UOD
      @DutchKC9UOD 9 місяців тому +2

      That is so true, a leak test over an hour would go through the rings! Lol

    • @waynerobati6940
      @waynerobati6940 8 місяців тому

      😂😂😂

    • @AmigaMan500
      @AmigaMan500 7 місяців тому

      I have used sets of safety glasses that Ray Charles, Jose Feliciano and Ronnie Milsap once wore.

    • @MrObsvenchilde
      @MrObsvenchilde 7 місяців тому +1

      I almost spit my drink.

  • @robertheymann5906
    @robertheymann5906 Рік тому +143

    You come across as an honest dude, it's one of the reasons I enjoy your videos and you seem to be a guy to admit any errors and embrace truth.
    Thx brother

  • @doncarlson8391
    @doncarlson8391 Рік тому +61

    That dude thinks he knows something but it's obvious he only knows what he's watched on UA-cam. You are 100% correct in your assessment of the situation. For what it's worth, I've been in machining and metrology for almost 40 years and fully understand and agree with you. Appreciate your patience and taking the time to make these videos.

    • @SophiaAphrodite
      @SophiaAphrodite Рік тому +6

      Yes. He had a theory, Googled the terminology and posted his comment. Missing the whole problem which his argument even if TRUE would be irrelevant in a new build early startup

    • @jimmyarrington3343
      @jimmyarrington3343 Рік тому

      You can't fix stupid. The guy has no common sense and a huge ego.

  • @MannyV74
    @MannyV74 7 днів тому +1

    The fact you took the time to describe this just goes to show your humility. Much respect and keep doing what you’re doing. Been racing motorcycles for over 25 years, and your machine work is second to none.

  • @brocluno01
    @brocluno01 Рік тому +191

    Good episode. I'm 3/4 of a century old. Been playing with motors since I was 10. I agree with you. Valves will seat and work with way more variation than shown. Think old 200K motors that still make compression with valves you can wiggle with your fingers 1/8" ... 😊
    The only way to get that black smudge on the seat is to have combustion gasses blowing by the valves. The only that happens is the valve is held open ... The "customer" had a valve train issue other than the machine work 🙃

    • @Bob-z1y7d
      @Bob-z1y7d Рік тому +22

      Absolutely

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  Рік тому +30

      Exactly!!

    • @rmiller334
      @rmiller334 Рік тому +13

      Yup

    • @richardhertz8996
      @richardhertz8996 Рік тому +31

      Agree 100%. Before I even watched the video, I saw the picture and said to myself, "Something was causing the valve to hang open". The worst valve job in the world wouldn't cause the customer's problem.

    • @GrandPitoVic
      @GrandPitoVic Рік тому +19

      You are so right. He just didn't know what was happening and because of this he had to take it all back apart. He figured he would back charge Powell so he didn't have to do it for free. But he charged him alot more than should be allowed.

  • @ByronTabor
    @ByronTabor Рік тому +134

    When you know you're right, and have proved it, it's best to ignore those who claim your wrong.
    Enjoy the channel, keep up the good work!

    • @SR-xk3oy
      @SR-xk3oy Рік тому +6

      You don’t get content if you ignore it though 🤷‍♀️

    • @shawbros
      @shawbros Рік тому +3

      "ignore those who claim your wrong"
      you're

    • @tomdavid5405
      @tomdavid5405 Рік тому +2

      Some people are hell bent on being rt I believe you are correct I am 68 and been around motors all my life I think the lifter could have been pumped up or someone didn't know how to adjust rockers correct

    • @jameslue-a-king9824
      @jameslue-a-king9824 Рік тому

      Byron said it right...

    • @thorwaldjohanson2526
      @thorwaldjohanson2526 11 місяців тому +2

      It's a great opportunity for education and learning. I'm glad he showed it and not just talked about it.

  • @MeLoNHeAd00
    @MeLoNHeAd00 Рік тому +9

    I love it when people critique pros !
    The customer was wrong !!!! I do know this as i have been rebuilding and machining engines for 22yrs. That valve was as sealed as a nuns beaver!
    Also i love your cams !

  • @JPsTurf
    @JPsTurf Рік тому +73

    45 years turning wrenches here - I found your channel by accident, and subscribed because of how well you explained that valve job. I also admire how you handled the problem customer - you should have folks lining up. I'm not too far from you, so I will be bringing you any engine machining work I need in the future - keep up the good work!

    • @larryalexander4833
      @larryalexander4833 Рік тому +3

      Samehere

    • @snoodyfox8140
      @snoodyfox8140 Рік тому

      I did the same thing.. it just popped up .I'm glad it did.i definitely appreciate it.47 years of turning wrenches

  • @artlife6210
    @artlife6210 Рік тому +116

    Ive been building motors all my life ,not at your level by any means, but I consider myself a pretty thorough and successful builder, and every time I watch one of your videos I learn something(or things) new. So many people wrench on a car for a while and then think theyre qualified to claim expert status to the point of correcting an actual expert such as yourself, humility sure needs to make a comeback, love the content, peace and cheers!!

    • @Scummy_shovel
      @Scummy_shovel Рік тому +7

      Absolutely. Become a expert at everything is a gradual process and you really never see it in yourself. Because like you stated the more you learn about anything the more you realize there is so much more that you still haven’t learned. Like me. I’m 45 years old. I have been building motorcycles my whole life. I have built more motors than I can remember. But there are still motors and Designs that’s new to me when I see them. Especially new stuff. They make changes constantly. So regardless to what you do for a living you advance in stages
      1st. I have no clue. But I’m learning
      2nd. Ok. I have the concept and now I’m doing
      3rd. Ok now I’m very comfortable and confident I can work or fix most anything
      4th. I have seen almost every problem and can pretty much work my way through any sort of issue and problem
      It’s the 4th stage where none mechanics think you are a expert. But you never see it or feel that way because you know there are some mechanical things you haven’t done or seen. But your confidence is high enough that stuff doesn’t worry you.
      Then the last stage is you die taking decades of experience with you still not 100% experienced in everything there is to experience in your trade.
      I’m 45. Grew up in a motorcycle dealership working on bikes everyday. I’m in the 3rd stage because like you I’m reliable. But I still learn constantly. Even if it’s learning a better/easier way of doing something I can already do.

    • @charlesauld8494
      @charlesauld8494 Рік тому +8

      Hi, I'm a retired Chief Marine Engineer, in Scotland. I saw your video, and, as far as I am concerned, the valve seat grinds were spot on.
      The way we used to check a valve grind, was to put 4 pencil lines on the valve face, put the valve in, and give it one quarter turn, then take it out again. If the 4 pencil lines were cut, the valve seat was perfect.
      You probably know this already, if not, I hope it helps.

    • @TheeGlocktopus
      @TheeGlocktopus Рік тому +1

      Practical Knowledge is not the same as Working Knowledge just like Engines are not the same as Motors.

    • @5hawks
      @5hawks Рік тому +2

      @@charlesauld8494 Thank you! that's just what I need to know for my Wheel Horse exhaust valve lapping job.

    • @DL101ca
      @DL101ca Рік тому +5

      They have not been serving humble pie at the local diner for a while...folks have forgotten the taste of it.

  • @brad4908
    @brad4908 11 місяців тому +4

    27:11 ‘… people that’s smarter than me…’ as a foreign viewer, who knows *nothing* about machining or mechanics, can I just say how much pleasure it gave me to listen to you discuss this with your accent. To a non-American you have a real ‘good ‘ol boy’ way of speaking that adds huge value to your out-of-hand dismissal of his criticism. Fantastic.

  • @raptornest1346
    @raptornest1346 Рік тому +32

    As aircraft mechanic piston turbine and a few car, boat and bike bulds ... I been around the block a few times. Everything you said is true and on point. People should appreciate you sharing your knowledge as a master engine builder. I would absolutely have no problem shipping all my future builds to a trustworthy technician. Keep the faith my friend.

  • @PurposedLensPhotoMedia
    @PurposedLensPhotoMedia Рік тому +42

    I'm not sure why UA-cam recommended me this video however, I am glad it did! I just want to say that you seem to be a man of great ethics and morals! You stand out because it's RARE to find people (especially on UA-cam) who are just interested in the truth and teaching others in such a humble way!
    You seems to be doing well in life and I can see why! I wish you NOTHING but success here on UA-cam! Keep up the GREAT WORK! 👍🏾

    • @fknbastages
      @fknbastages Рік тому

      Same here. It just was there. He is like a few other UA-camrs that I trust. Scotty and The Car Care Nut.

  • @Gmamounis
    @Gmamounis 2 місяці тому +2

    It's sad that you have to go even more out of your way ,above and beyond ,...to give an explanation to someone else's error and not yours.... you are 100% spot on with your work and your word... 👍

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  2 місяці тому +1

      @Gmamounis ty, I believe it was a teaching moment hopefully and not a waste of time.

  • @MarcHasaraMarcHasara
    @MarcHasaraMarcHasara Рік тому +60

    I was a student of auto mechanics beginning in 1973. 4-1/2 years of vocational school training prior to working as a natural gas industry car and truck mechanic for 12 years of a 34 year career that I finished in 2010. I have had updated OEM updated training modules over my 34 year career. I am not NIASE certified but I know enough to see that you are a highly trained industry professional. There is nothing I would try to school you on or dazzle you about. You are an engine mechanical genius. I stand in awe of what you do in your business there.

  • @HeinzGuderian_
    @HeinzGuderian_ Рік тому +34

    The issue was the valve being held open while the engine is running. You were spot on with your theory about the lifter pre-load being too high. I always go light on pre-load and then tighten up as it runs. I've never had a problem doing it this way, and it's how I was taught 45 years ago. Hydraulic lifters have a lot of room for adjustment so someone didn't know what they were doing. That person was the customer.

    • @AllanGabstonHowell
      @AllanGabstonHowell 3 місяці тому +1

      Even though I am not a person prone to superstitious thinking, I give this a hearty "AMEN!"

  • @kurtrindgen4708
    @kurtrindgen4708 4 місяці тому +5

    I’m glad that guy sent his mail. Turned out to be an excellent lesson.

  • @dominichamel4685
    @dominichamel4685 Рік тому +34

    Just imagine how much work you could have put out in the time it took to make this video explaining the situation that wasn't a situation, simply educating truth from fiction. Keep up the good work

    • @dominichamel4685
      @dominichamel4685 Рік тому +1

      You obviously know your craft well. It's getting harder these days to find quality craftsmanship. Thanks for the like.

  • @RazDaz74
    @RazDaz74 Рік тому +34

    There's no doubt this guy understands every last detail of what he does, and the problems that can/do arise. He doesn't come off as arrogant, but confident in his experience and knowledge.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  Рік тому +3

      TYVM

    • @RazDaz74
      @RazDaz74 9 місяців тому +1

      @user-wv1pj6wh4h I can understand half of your reply. However, the only warning should be "install correctly or get a professional." At this level, if you are having heads or machinists do this type of skilled work on whatever, and you need a warning or help guide... you shouldn't be installing it yourself.

    • @RazDaz74
      @RazDaz74 9 місяців тому +1

      @user-wv1pj6wh4h it's not Walmart ffs 😂 - IE universal easy installation. It's a custom rig bro

  • @markabner4046
    @markabner4046 9 місяців тому +9

    Watched both videos. You are the rare example of what makes America great ! The business man that stands behind their work and is truthful. Let it go, move on to the next job and keep up the good work my friend. You are a true grassroots american.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  9 місяців тому +1

      Appreciate that

    • @johndickson6917
      @johndickson6917 8 місяців тому

      I check for valve seat run out on new heads first. I'll have one with less than ..001 . The matching head will be all over the place .006,.007..008. I have an old stone type seat cutter. I'm not happy unless the run out is .001 or less. Keep up the videos.

  • @TheTruePhatso
    @TheTruePhatso Рік тому +55

    I just came across your channel today and I sure am happy I did. I saw the video just before this one about the Mr-know-it-all and the "failed" valve job. Some people are just so ignorant of facts and they don't realize how stupid it makes them look, like the valve job guy. I retired as a precision machinist after more than 35 years for an engineering firm. Most of these people don't understand what it takes to do intricate machining and how tedious the setups are. They THINK they know yet they have no idea. Your videos are very informative and easy to follow and you know a little bit more about how to do some type of machining work that, quite frankly, I didn't know how to do before. Keep your honesty and your integrity and as long as you have those two things, the work will follow you. Stay safe.

  • @scottnusser6232
    @scottnusser6232 Рік тому +21

    The guy who sent that email is a real smacker! If a customer questions my integrity they are history! You handled it perfectly. Give them back their money and kick rocks! Back in the 70's and 80's we did a ton of freshen up hoagies for low cost repairs for customers trying to get to work. You can get away with a lot and they'll run just fine for a long time. The guy who emailed never took apart a good runner and actually measured anything. I've ball honed and put rings in cylinders many times with.010 taper, was it optimum? hell no, but worked just fine. Helped alot of poor people get to work over the last 40 yrs. I can see you are a good man and very knowledgeable, don't let some jackass, know it all bother you!❤

  • @HugoCamacho-on8he
    @HugoCamacho-on8he Місяць тому +1

    You’re a standup guy your humility comes through, your concern for unsatisfied customer and the way you handled it was above and beyond, call it what it is that customer is a narcissistic know it all and will go to his grave thinking he’s right, good on you firing that annoying dip shit . Best of luck

  • @kenchorney2724
    @kenchorney2724 Рік тому +68

    The customer could have narrowed down the cause of the issue by doing a leakdown test on the motor while it was still assembled. If leakage was noted past the valve, remove the rocker arm and re-test. I suspect the leakage would have disappeared once the rocker arm was removed and that would have shown him what the cause was (stuck lifter).

    • @jasonbolton1796
      @jasonbolton1796 Рік тому +12

      100% remove the rocker first.
      Before condemning the valve

    • @SosopChabot
      @SosopChabot Рік тому +4

      Exactly

    • @kenchorney2724
      @kenchorney2724 Рік тому +3

      @@jasonbolton1796 That's what I have done whenever I found a leaky valve during a leakdown test. I usually give the valve stem a rap with a deadblow hammer while the cylinder is under pressure to see if the leak goes away. Sometimes valves will leak a little if a used motor has been sitting a long time without running (not applicable on fresh heads of course).

    • @lebojay
      @lebojay Рік тому +11

      What’s a rocker arm?
      (JK: European car dude here just messin’ with y’all 😉)

    • @lexteakmialoki5544
      @lexteakmialoki5544 Рік тому +9

      This is exactly what should have happened. Video the leakdown test. Remove the rocker and do the test again. Call Powell, explain the results, talk it over. Too not consider all possibilities, yank the head and blame someone else for your lack of knowledge, just proves it. Powell did that, grabbed the head out of the truck and showed the whole story from the start. The customer says the head has a problem, without any actual proof and they blames the guy who just proved it was correct. Funny all those other valves in the heads, cut with the same equipment did not have an issue. Guy should be happy he got the compensation he did.

  • @JimmyRJump
    @JimmyRJump Рік тому +35

    To me, you come across as a person with great integrity. Absolutely no ego involved, just trying (and succeeding) to convey what you're doing and what's going on in crystal clear clarity. Of course there's pride in your work. But that's not to be confused with ego. Pride comes from a job done to the best of your ability. Ego comes from thinking you're the best out there at what you do. Greetings from Belgium.

  • @elijah2078
    @elijah2078 4 місяці тому +2

    I wish I wasn't 700 miles away because you would be my machinist. Great video!!!

  • @johntom5416
    @johntom5416 Рік тому +9

    Back in the mid to late 1970's I worked in a shop doing the exact kind of work you are talking about in this video. I have done hundreds of valve jobs, replaced valve seats, and valve guides, on anything and everything you can think of. We had a Winona valve guide and seat machine, that we used to replace guides and seats. So like yourself I am somewhat of an ACTUAL expert on what can happen to create valve sealing problems. I think your analysis of what caused the zero compression is exactly correct. The entire valve had to be off the seat to allow that kind of a leak to occur. A stuck hydraulic lifter, as you said sounds like the likely culprit. I also want to touch on valve stem seals, to help educate the general public about this technology. Valve stem seals up through at least the 1970's were very rudimentary. In fact the factory valve stem seals on the small block Chevy engines was just a rubber O-ring placed in a groove of the valve stem on top of the keepers AFTER the valve was installed. This directed the oil to run over the spring retainer and down the spring. That was the FACTORY valve stem seal. This was the factory solution for, what, over 30 years, with no oil leakage issues, unless the guide or stem got worn excessively.

    • @MrRatkilr
      @MrRatkilr 10 місяців тому

      Basic umbrella seals work. Allow a little oil for lube and sheds most. Positive valve stem seals. Don't allow much oil for lube imo.

  • @vinceevans3219
    @vinceevans3219 Рік тому +28

    Hi I'm from Salisbury in the UK
    I worked for Janspeed engineering in the cylinder head shop for over 10 years and everything you have said is spot on and it's obvious that you're customer did not bleed the lifters and the valves weren't closing
    And even if it was bad job it wouldn't have passed the vacuum test that you do before sending the heads out
    The problem is the internet has created alot of armchair experts that chat bs and when you call them out on it they become keyboard warriors because facts blow the hell out of their assumptions and hurts their feelings which they take out on you

    • @stuartreynolds4480
      @stuartreynolds4480 Рік тому

      also from the UK, where young learner bikers thrash 4-stroke 125's and hammer the valves into the seats for zero valve clearance..

    • @vinceevans3219
      @vinceevans3219 Рік тому

      @@stuartreynolds4480 it does happen like that lots of revs unleaded fuel
      Ducati recommends reshimming every 6000 miles

  • @edwinthomas618
    @edwinthomas618 3 дні тому +1

    Always a Monday Night Montana. You were so professional and I trust your many years of experience

  • @justinstrouse1015
    @justinstrouse1015 Рік тому +17

    This guy absolutely knows what the hell he's talking about. You just gained a future customer!

  • @alanschroeder3613
    @alanschroeder3613 Рік тому +22

    You were very smart to video tape the whole process from the time you took it out of your truck until the end. There isn't anything else that you could have done to please that customer. Your handling of the situation was very professional and commendable.

    • @MurgatroidGarfunkle
      @MurgatroidGarfunkle Рік тому

      @@wonderors And here you are. Maybe it was scripted, but doubtful. Question is...did ya learn anything? After all, that's why...the video...

  • @richardwallinger1683
    @richardwallinger1683 5 місяців тому +2

    as a retired engine builder . The tooling you are utilizing is first class. I can recognise most of it from my 1980 , s Race championship winning days . Memories .

    • @salrivera7578
      @salrivera7578 4 місяці тому

      He seems like a gd people too put here I try many shops to port mild a Honda head and they don't want to do it because little Honda engines from d to k series bitting the hell cats with a turbo and with junkyards combos from head to pistons and cams I can't find one out here who can even do a mild porting imagine that jjjj

  • @55chevytruck
    @55chevytruck Рік тому +7

    There are always people like that and that is why I am glad to be retired and not have to deal with the public. Have found the biggest critics rarely do there own work. You doing great work .

  • @simplicity6564
    @simplicity6564 11 місяців тому +3

    Way beyond your knowledge of your profession, your approach to what your mission of your channel is a lesson for all of life. Our country and "leaders" would greatly benefit from that approach. Thanks!

  • @tomredman5411
    @tomredman5411 4 місяці тому

    I was watching a 65 year old bricklayer when I was younger fascinated by the fact he was making it look so easy ,there was another younger bricky trying to offer his advice on the mortar ,not one word spoken just a Clint Eastwood smile and a nodding of disapproval …just carried on like an old steam train…masterclass

  • @ChrisHall02
    @ChrisHall02 Рік тому +33

    Just found your channel because of that "bad" valve job video, then watched this one regarding the armchair machinist. Even though you didn't have to, you took the time to explain in detail your process and approach to your work, and explain how his assumptions were incorrect. It's obvious you are honest and care about what you do. I have no doubt you're an expert in your field. Great job firing that customer. I worked in the trades for many years and only had to fire a few customers, but sometimes that's what you have to do.

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  Рік тому +4

      Thank you sir

    • @stanleyeallen
      @stanleyeallen Рік тому +2

      I watched both videos and you have gone the extra mile to serve the customer and the truth. I have 50 plus years in the business and you make me proud.

  • @dantwomey
    @dantwomey Рік тому +5

    You remind me of Steve Morris of SME. You're honest and you're making a great effort to help people get things done correctly. One of Steve's favorite sayings that always makes me smile is, "That's just not how it works!"

  • @ericstalker7973
    @ericstalker7973 5 місяців тому +2

    Daniel you handled this issue in a great way. I have seen lifters get completely pumped up and hold the valve open. It will usually work it's way out once the engine oil gets warm after some run time. Sometimes I turn the engine over by hand and open the valve up all the way then leave it there. Go home and do your thing and come back the next day and the pressure sometimes bleeds the lifter down

  • @TuneinTurnonGrowup
    @TuneinTurnonGrowup Рік тому +9

    I dont know why UA-cam recommended your channel to me, but I'm glad it did. I just subbed. You're very straightforward, honest, and no BS.

  • @nosefirst
    @nosefirst Рік тому +4

    One of my favorite things to do as a young engineer was to go out to the machine shop and watch older operators work and ask questions.

  • @C.D.-km7jc
    @C.D.-km7jc 6 місяців тому +1

    You took the high road You are a good man. Stand your ground you know what you're doing.

  • @HarborSite-7
    @HarborSite-7 Рік тому +11

    It's a guarantee Daniel, every time I watch one of your videos I learn something new about engine building.
    You can tell by listening to you speak about these things that you have an encyclopedic knowledge of this subject matter and a certain enthusiasm for it as well.
    I guess there will inevitably be some trolls in the comments section but they will always be heavily outnumbered by people who appreciate your willingness to share your wealth of knowledge with the rest of us. So again, thanks for your time and patience brother.

  • @enraikow6109
    @enraikow6109 Рік тому +4

    i have near to no experience with valve-work, but i appreciate your professionalism and respectful attitude coupled with the most southern accent i've ever heard as a foreigner. i enjoyed every second of this and even learned a little bit too. thanks for all that.
    god bless!

  • @19GTO67
    @19GTO67 4 місяці тому +1

    I agree with what most of the people are saying here. I've been a machinist in a performance-oriented shop for 25 years. I've also been a mechanic for over 40 years. You sound very knowledgeable, and your previous video, along with this follow-up, explain it very well. Mostly, I'm impressed with how you express yourself and how you dealt with the customer who had the "leaky" cylinder head. You went above and beyond. If I were near you, and needed any work done that I couldn't do myself, I wouldn't hesitate to use your shop. 👍

  • @squarefour1
    @squarefour1 Рік тому +3

    I am new to this channel. I have watched these two episodes about this particular valve job. This machine shop is LEGIT The amount of time spent on the heads the first time in this shop did not produce $100 profit (just a guess) !!!!!! With 3 or 4 machines involved to do the valve job. Man hour labor cost, machine cost, consumables cost, operating cost , Now we have an explanation of how the heads were machined , which I must say is a huge loss of valuable time for this machine shop!
    Great video on a set of heads that were Machined Correctly the first time by your son. To bad your customer and his friend wont come over and help put their mistake to bed. Good discussion makes for Great Decisions. You have certainly done your part

  • @rickeh100
    @rickeh100 Рік тому +24

    You sir are a fine grntleman. Very few machinest/mechanics have your calm confidence, proving to me a very competent professional. You sir are an exemplary facilitater of learning. Your son has the best mentor possible full stop!
    I hope your customers realize how lucky they are. You should be working for the likes of Mr Hendric, Mr Penski or Mr. Andretti!
    Thank-You for your sharing of knowledge!

  • @stevecaton1595
    @stevecaton1595 9 місяців тому +1

    Sir you went above and beyond to show the customer that your work is spot on, and I think some people just can't see with their eyes, and some time you just have to be the better man and let them think they win the race.

  • @c5back9
    @c5back9 11 місяців тому +3

    Far be it from me to offer unsolicited advice brother, but I would like to commend your sense of transparency, honor and integrity. It’s seems to me like you have given the former customer and various other naysayers on this thread more time and attention than any rightfully deserve.

  • @jakesteel3641
    @jakesteel3641 Рік тому +12

    You're so calm, handling people with facts and integrity, explaining in more detail than their brains could comprehend with it then having your experience, and paying off the wrong customer with it just telling them you are right and screw off.... Just amazes me.. I found this by happen stance and completely respect you and your business.. Some people just want to blind blame those succeeding in life. The fact you stated you have nothing to prove to them is the pure facts, though they think you owe them (the non customer) a second of your time and effort. 🎉

  • @JY-vr8ok
    @JY-vr8ok 6 місяців тому +1

    Another wish you were in my town comment! My head has bin in the local shop for 4months!😢😢he did the first work on the long 35:01 block and the head gasket (vicktor reins) he said would be fine failed and blew out, and ring of the gasket blew out and bent the exhaust valve on it’s exit so I just need a valve and a mill, for it did get up too 230 degree’s prior months prior to this failure no big deal! It’s not his fault! Just do the job and get paid! I’ve gone in and ask what’s up “O sorry it’s taking so long I’m just slammed I’ll have next wk that was 4wks ago! I’ve since did all the things I wanted to do roll bar sound system and upgrades I’m ready to drive now! Where’s my head? Santa Fe NM is a small town and you don’t want to piss people off unless they’re from Cal. Or Texas! Have to go back in and say WTF?

  • @FarmerJohn1957
    @FarmerJohn1957 Рік тому +4

    Not sure why UA-cam recommended your channel, but I have found it very interesting so far. I’m glad you walked over to show us the machine that actually cuts the valve seat because when you were describing it, I kept thinking to myself… Why the heck would there be a pallet involved in the process… But when you walked over there and showed us the machine It was obvious that you were saying pilot… Love the accent. Keep up the good work.

    • @donbartholomew8273
      @donbartholomew8273 Рік тому +2

      You always want a sober pallet when you take yous fambly on a aeroplane trip 😅

    • @rattkiller01
      @rattkiller01 9 місяців тому +1

      What accent?

  • @MarineGrunt
    @MarineGrunt Рік тому +9

    You want to be a learning channel ? Well , you succeeded , I learn something , every time I tune in . What you left out is that some folks dont want to be taught ...they want to be right .

  • @rick3140
    @rick3140 9 місяців тому +2

    You are correct. Many engines run 10’s of thousands of miles and valve stem wear occurs to a point they have blow by, yet the valve doesn’t leak. The problem was something with the lifter.

  • @flinch622
    @flinch622 Рік тому +10

    I appreciate your focus. In a way, this channel could be said to be about building a better customer - the internet has its share of half baked and wrong information that needs just a little help.

  • @jonfrost7996
    @jonfrost7996 Рік тому +11

    Pure class man pure class. You got me as a new subscriber I admire your patience with them. I've been fixing busted stuff for 37 years now. I still learn every day, keep teaching. People's self importance fills up their head so much there's no room for learning. You ROCK.

  • @JimGrady67
    @JimGrady67 11 місяців тому +2

    Sounds like the guy who sent the email might be the mechanic who said you messed up. Then got his ego butthurt when you proved him wrong! I know nothing about motors and you explained both videos in a way that I understand and makes sense to me. Facts are Facts.

  • @mcasteel2112
    @mcasteel2112 Рік тому +6

    I had this one guy commenting on a weld I done, Ive been a certified JB Welder for going 36 years now and I just shrug it off.

  • @gorilla_with_jetpack4102
    @gorilla_with_jetpack4102 Рік тому +6

    Man, I have no idea what's going on here but I feel like I'm learning something. I barely understand how an engine works, but I am enthralled with the information you're providing. If I ever need an engine fixed, I'm going to your shop. Rock on dude!

  • @thomaswolff-ef7vj
    @thomaswolff-ef7vj 3 місяці тому

    My friend, an areo space engineer and I who practiced Administrative law watched the last 2 videos. My friend said you are every bit as smart as his coworkers. You just took a different path. I wrote legal briefs with purpose. I had Oral Arguments and some lawyers lack what you have. You have a gift with expressing yourself. Sir you have a presence. And when you look into a mirror, I want you understand how many people depend on you.
    law

  • @RB-lf7bo
    @RB-lf7bo Рік тому +6

    Thank u for all your patience in teaching keep on keeping on 👍

  • @biastv1234
    @biastv1234 Рік тому +5

    Just discovered this channel. I’m an Australian, so your accent is a little tricky sometimes, but when you said’ Ray Charles could see that ‘ I spat my coffee all over the keyboard.
    Excellent channel, great content. Keep up the great work

  • @gungho6798
    @gungho6798 8 місяців тому +2

    As a machinist myself , you are 100% right. Appreciate your honesty and the way you come across on your videos.

  • @johnandersen6364
    @johnandersen6364 Рік тому +4

    Your patience and professionalism are bar none. Most of us have had customers like this and yes, the best thing was to fire them as customers, your time and expertise is best used on customers that deserve the work you do. Great channel, wish I knew about this channel sooner! You are a straight talker, and know what you are talking about.

  • @johnnystanley4469
    @johnnystanley4469 Рік тому +4

    Love the channel prop to you promoting Jams channel you are 100% correct on on your explanation

  • @1morenote.
    @1morenote. 3 місяці тому

    I admire your craftsmanship, patience, and calm approach. you have clearly demonstrated true professionalism.

  • @deemstyle
    @deemstyle Рік тому +4

    Man this video earned my subscription. This guy’s level of understanding and skill is something I want in my life! Great response to the emailer!

  • @jenniferwhitewolf3784
    @jenniferwhitewolf3784 Рік тому +10

    I admire your devotion to seeking greater knowledge. I really hope there are some young people getting started that are subscribed, and taking in what you say as part of their education, not just the procedures, but the ethics also.

  • @BobbyMotorway
    @BobbyMotorway 4 місяці тому +1

    After sacking the customer, I wouldn't build your hopes that you've seen the last of him. He's probably filing for unfair dismissal as we speak. Great video, you're very knowledgeable and rational.

  • @krisswegemer1163
    @krisswegemer1163 Рік тому +6

    That valve wasn't landing on the seat. There is a problem somewhere between the cam lobe and the tip of the valve stem. That's where the original client should have been looking.

  • @iceman9678
    @iceman9678 Рік тому +3

    Your patience is admirable.

  • @needsaride15126
    @needsaride15126 Місяць тому +1

    This is such a great video. When you said that you wanted your videos to be instructional. You had me sold. Wishing you, your family and business all the best in the future.

  • @Steves-Bikes
    @Steves-Bikes Рік тому +6

    I agree with everything you said in this vid. I'm in my 60's and been doing motors since I was 15. When the hydraulic lifters came into use every time I built an engine I would collapse the lifters before fitting them, I've seen guys build motors and them have no compression because the new lifters were holding the oil. Keep up the good work Sir.

    • @BB-rn6so
      @BB-rn6so Рік тому

      I've had lifters do the exact same thing Steve. Most likely the problem the engine builder/ changer had with this cylinder head. It wasn't the vale job. I'm sure these guys vacuum each cylinder head before it leaves the bench.

    • @budlanctot3060
      @budlanctot3060 Рік тому

      I already commented previously about that. Some guys think they need to submerge the lifters in oil and pump them up before installation. I've argued against that for years, because sometimes the lifters have a tough time bleeding back down and will hold the valve open on initial start-up. I found that out, myself, like 50yrs ago.

  • @stephenhilyer
    @stephenhilyer Рік тому +6

    I love this. Some people you just can’t make happy. I own my own business, no where near the precision as yours, I fill for you guys. Thank you for what you do.

  • @KitLaughlin
    @KitLaughlin 9 місяців тому

    Mr Powell, some people simply take up too much space, and use too much oxygen. You are very generous. But please do keep in mind one of the lessons of the Pareto Optimality Rule: do not let 20% of your customers take up 80% of your shop's time! Truly excellent explanations, too.

  • @wolfcommander6009
    @wolfcommander6009 Рік тому +10

    When the Keyboard Mechanic Types...its always a google warrior....great vid Sir👍🏻

  • @Tooooooon
    @Tooooooon Рік тому +6

    Just started following this channel as only like to follow knowledgeable people who are experts in their field.Totally agree with your reply to this keyboard warrior. Always good to listen to a straight talking and honest guy who can explain things easily and simply! Great work 👍

  • @woolyhighlander7280
    @woolyhighlander7280 2 місяці тому +2

    I love the Southern Drawl, but excellent lecture, thanks, from Vintage Performance, I agree with you.!

    • @powellmachineinc
      @powellmachineinc  2 місяці тому

      @woolyhighlander7280 we appreciate that 🙏, thanks for the support

  • @arcorob
    @arcorob Рік тому +4

    I dont do engine stuff anymore but subscribed because we need good channels like yours ...Totally supportive

  • @MrTonyPiscatelle
    @MrTonyPiscatelle Рік тому +4

    1st time viewer to your channel. You seem like a straight shooter and I've worked with machinists for over 40 years on some real demanding parts. Tolerances of .0002" to .0000" on certain parts for high speed centrifugal /turbo air compressors. I can tell you know what you're talking about when you talk machining. The internet ( you tube ) is full of keyboard cowboys aka trouble makers. My hats off to you for taking a step back and trying your best to explain your position.

  • @davidhayden9336
    @davidhayden9336 8 місяців тому +1

    ENOUGH SAID YOUNG MAN, I'M 77 AND KNOW YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH. KEEP DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING.

  • @johnallright6847
    @johnallright6847 Рік тому +5

    This guy comes over as a man who knows his stuff and hasnt tried to rip anyone, he has integrity in abundance and you can just tell he is not a billybullshitter, think the customer just doesnt know a hundredth of what he knows like me and that is the problem.

    • @gordocarbo
      @gordocarbo 10 місяців тому

      He cranked down the rocker too far and hung a valve open. He obviously knows nada just points and faults.
      Those guys...never wrong their dog dont bite, wife dont cheat etc Just ask em.

  • @tonymonroe4861
    @tonymonroe4861 Рік тому +7

    You went above and beyond what you should have.

  • @Gottiline_Ace
    @Gottiline_Ace Рік тому +2

    Just listening to you speak about it, tells me that you know exactly what youre talking about. I like the way you took the time to explain all of it without being condescending or belittling. You taught them (and us) way more than you ever would have by just blowing him off, evem though you had every right to.

  • @davidjackson4112
    @davidjackson4112 Рік тому +4

    Don’t you like these back seat drivers. Mr. Powell your work is impeccable. Thanks for sharing your expertises.

    • @deepsleep7822
      @deepsleep7822 Рік тому

      @david: agreed. With the number of valve jobs this guy has done, it is highly unlikely that his work is the problem.

  • @yuno3364
    @yuno3364 Рік тому +5

    I learn so much stuff watching your videos! Keep it up

  • @lencranston8183
    @lencranston8183 4 місяці тому +1

    Excellent videos and proof that the customer can't argue with the facts that you stated and gave video proof of. 😊

  • @barrybaker9677
    @barrybaker9677 7 місяців тому +3

    I know that this video is almost a half year old but I just run across this. What came to my mind was. He had to eventually find the real issues going on, but I'm betting he doesn't call and apologize. Just me thinking. God Bless ya'll.

  • @patrickgreen9747
    @patrickgreen9747 8 місяців тому +3

    “Ray Charles could see the leak”……now that shit was both funny and accurate..!!!

  • @gil8553
    @gil8553 5 місяців тому +1

    I work in the machine industry and have witnessed frustrating customers. You have went over and above the mark of showing patience and respect regarding this topic. I wish you well.

  • @1donniekak
    @1donniekak Рік тому +4

    Usually a slightly off center guide will still let the valve seal, but the stem will eventually break.