NBA 2K made a problem that they can never fix
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You can’t force people to play a role. The harsh reality is the majority of players don’t know a damn thing about basketball or how it should be played. That’s the biggest problem in 2k
Yes!! That's how it started. A lot of players that had low basketball or 2k iq started paying for attributes and complaining. 2k catered to them instead of saying get better at 2k and learn some basketball
@@prestonjones1415 exactly. It doesn’t matter what build they make, most of these morons are just going to shoot a 3 or force a layup every time they get the ball. 2k tried making us role players already and it changed nothing. Roles in this game are determined by individual play style, not 2K.
@@jamiegaskins3687 I agree. Instead of making everyone role players I personally think they should have raised the floor for everyone's defensive abilities. Instead every year they try to adjust shooting and lit players based off of height. As the NBA becomes positionless, so must 2k
@@prestonjones1415 yeah the defense has to be fixed, but I’m sure they’d do it wrong. Their only two solutions for gameplay problems is always: nerf the problem and make it super easy for anybody to do (x), or they just throw in a badge that basically does (x) for you and completely removes any skill from the equation, because heaven forbid they take the time to actually fix the mechanics of the game or anything that would actually improve the product.
The decline of 2K gameplay started with and because of badges, and that’s a hill I will die on. Badges, combined with a lame and toxic community, ruined the games. The games are actually a ton of fun if you play offline, or in person with friends. It’s not hard to figure out why that is.
That’s not true, I’ve never played organized ball, I have limited knowledge of the rules and yet I’m in the top 100 MyTeam players in the world and on a ProAM team with a 97% win rate. (I’ll be fair and say I get carried in ProAM, I shoot 81% but beyond that I’m not doing a ton.)
I can jump in a 92 and under game for fun and totally blow out an entire team single handed.
2K is a game you can learn to manipulate, it doesn’t require extensive basketball knowledge, just some common sense.
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I met him once in a business setting. Real cool guy, even when he’s not in his own confines. This is authentically him.
Was about to say exactly the same. Kofie is so genuine.
Main reason I started following him. It’s nice to listen to vids from people who aren’t yell talking or sound condescending
calling it basketball magic the gathering makes it sound way too fun
imagine a basketball card game like magic the gathering where you have a deck and players have strengths and weaknesses would be fire
@@Lewiss248start it
2K has this mode as well. It is called MyTeam and it is the biggest cash grab ever, but I can't lie I love it@@Lewiss248
@@Lewiss248myteam
it’s not just 2k. online gaming as a whole went from people playing games to have fun to everybody trying to be the sweatiest most try-hard player possible. e-sports and youtube / social media did irreversible damage to games. as soon as a game comes out it’s a million “content creators” showing people how to abuse every exploit possible to cheat at the game
I don't think online gaming was the issue. The issue came when tbe companies began catering to low IQ players because of micro transactions. 2k was a true sim game, instead of changing the game to make players better, they should've challenged players to become better and learn the game. Instead they started boosting attributes and badges year to year
@@prestonjones1415 i’ve been playing 2k since the first one and it had certain cheesy overpowered mechanics in it at least far back as about 2k6 - 2k7. it didn’t truly become an issue until 2k17 when they added archetypes and the rise of 2k “content creators” around 2k16. it’s no different than how broken mike vick was in madden 04 or bo jackson in tecmo bowl. just now there’s a million people trying to find every exploitable mechanic in the game to promote on their channel and the millions of people learning said exploit from them.
the worst thing to ever happen to the game was shots that are greened being automatic makes. that’s nowhere near realistic and it resulted in people being able to make low rated shooters but can hit a three if they green it.
it's the money being randomly being poured in seemingly outta nowhere
it's not the fact that people go out of their way to show these things, they've been doing that forever
it's because the biggest cash prize goes to the person who can figure out the systems and show as many people as possible first to ensure the most monetary gain
if the money stayed in only the pro scene it wouldn't be that big of a problem but since the everyday average joe could potentially cash out with 1 lucky video and be set for life, everyone and their mother's doing it
$$$$$ is the root of all evil
Any and everything will be monetized, and if it can be monetized, it will be ruined
Agreed that’s why I don’t watch anything much related to a game I’m interested. Like I saw a before you try pal world video and I won’t watch anything related to it. I don’t want them ruining it for me. Did the same with starfield and it was the most fun I’ve had gaming in a while
One very frustrating thing about 2K is that you often seem to have no control over what your player is doing. Going up for a dunk? Nope, you lost the animation game and are gonna blow a layup instead. Other player has good passing badges? You're frozen and can't move to close out. Catch a pass within 10 feet of the sideline? You're running out of bounds for no reason. Slightly moving when your PG passes the ball? You're getting pulled 25 feet from where you started. The game just constantly takes control out of your hands, usually because of some badge they never bother to fully explain the effects of.
The number of times I am standing on the three point line, catch a pass, and then take two steps inside the arc to stand next to a defender instead of have the open look
You can go up for a dunk nearly every time if you use the skill dunk meter. Bad catches are a result of making tough passes with players who have low passing ratings. Sounds like you just have a big fat skill issue.
@@thebigmanufacturerokay but for one not everyone has time to put in to master the timing for their dunk meters. Also what about trying to go for a layup with the stick and instead the game decides you actually wanted to take a pull up middy directly in someone’s face. Or the other way around you actually want the middy and they go for some shitty ass layup instead. Play perfect positioning on defense and jump at the proper time but still get sucked into a shitty posterizer animation
Thats all been present since 2k12, which is the last 2K game I bought and played b/c of everything you just stated.
You know what the most perfect basketball video game is? Street V3. The controls are tight, the stat customizer is intuitive and fairly balanced, and it plays like a video game instead of a simulator. I would love to make or find a mod that inserts modern players into Street V3.
The amount of animations that just completely take the game out of your hands is insane now. Last one I played was 22 because I got it for free and it was a mess. Couldn’t rlly even play the game anymore.
One thing I wish they would consider doing is separating my player online from my career. The fact that I have to pay IRL money to have a better experience playing the computer is nuts. Why shouldn’t those attributes be separated?
Crazy asf Lmao
They actually did that in the wnba carrer mode so it is possible its simply greed driven why it osnt implimented
@@KaRlRiChErThe WNBA game mode is proof that 2k is not incompetent, just greedy.
They know it's already a league that struggles with popularity so people won't play if it is pay to win or too complex.
The system could easily work for the NBA version (as it used to). No need to change when you make so much money.
This too. I also think it's insane that in MyCareer, my player was demanding to be a starter when he's only 69 overall.
They will never separated it bro just make a character in my league and go crazy😂 cause 2k to money hungry
My biggest problem with 2k is how the people who just like to play mycareer have to get screwed by all the changes they make for the multiplayer. I miss the days when you could make a fully all around player like a prime LeBron. Now youre limited in prder to balance the multiplayer when I have no intention of ever taking this player into multiplayer. Ive been saying that these modes need to be separated. Mycareer should be its own thing and park and rec should be its own thing.
Sorry to tell you but not many people just play mycareer and 2k is not going to cater to those players when they are so tiny play the older games if you want to make a demigod cause those games allowed it
@logwundawg1970 It's more than you think. How many modes are already in 2k that no one plays?
Just create a player. Use player lock and play MyLeague.
I think it is just a known fact the 2 most played modes are mycareer and myteam and most of the mycareer players play online so 2k will do what makes them money so sorry to say they'll never do anything for the mycareer offline players@@TaqSoto
@@gdbssa right thats what i do lol
As somebody with no friends who only plays playnow my career and myNBA eras I see this as an absolute win
@RuggedHectic I do my MyCareer myself in MyLeague these days, you have no super cringe poorly written story mode, aren't limited by VC and build limits, can have draft classes, can control teams to stop them when they do crazy stupid shit. change your own position etc when needed. it's way better IMO I'd recommend trying it if you haven't.
I still play my league on nba 2k16 lol
Too bad they fucking ruined mycareer and made it a chore
@@danielmacpherson8487been doing this for years! start my player in high school/ aau, then college, and finally the draft. i don’t have him as a 99 7’7 pg either😏 realistic build and overall, just funner that way
@@danielmacpherson8487this right here! This the old school way we used to do it before myplayer. It’s still better imo.
did not expect the explanation of the GOATS meta on a Kofie video but thats just the versatility that this man has
The parents thinking it’s real thing it’s so true, over COVID me and my buddies would set up my Xbox on the big TV in the living room and gamble with each other on simulated games and my dad sat through a whole Kings-Rockets game before he realized it was just 2k
To be fair your parents' vision is probably worse than it used to be if they're my age or older
yo daddy slow
Lmao same! During 2020 with my uncle he would know the difference usually…but every-once awhile he would get locked in and start watching my simulations like they was real hoop 😂
My dad asked what game was on when I was playing ncaa football 2k3. He got upset and told me to go to bed.
not to mention the cheesy moves that players just spam every year and they dont get patched until like april… and you’re at a disadvantage for not wanting to play that way as well
shittiest game
I think this is going to continue to be a problem until 2K loses it's exclusive licensing rights, same with EA and Madden. I understand these leagues are businesses but I don't think there should be private publishing rights, especially for 10 year contracts
2k doesn’t have exclusive rights, there just aren’t any other companies that wanna spend the money to compete with them
Not really, seeing as EA also lost it's rights to call FIFA, FIFA but EAFC is still the same game as last year more or less
@@buttfart12 Yeah, I think it's only Madden and FIFA that have exclusive deals. 2K has just become so big and so synonymous with "basketball video game" that, if you try and make a "realistic" one, it's gonna have to be GREAT or else people will slam you for failing to live up to 2K, or you make a arcade-y one that might be fine, but largely ends up being kinda niche.
I don't know how to change it, but short of a company showing up with nearly a billion dollars to spend on Dev and licensing, Madden/2K/FIFA et al are "too big to fail."
2K do not have exclusive licensing over NBA. Anyone can make a simulation basketball game. Other devs decide not to do it since you people don't support other products and keep throwing money at the thing you complain ever single year
2K don’t have the exclusive license, they just bitched EA so hard that they don’t even try anymore
I've always felt like there''s actually kind of a simple solution here - split single player mode from multiplayer altogether. They clearly want to have archetypes and stuff for multiplayer but also want you to be able to make the best player ever for single player mode. Splitting those things up so that single player mode has no cap (and doesn't take tons of money or 8 seasons to become good) and multiplayer has achetype limits and set abilities fixes these problems pretty easily. The issue is just that they can't load the game with micro transactions if they do that.
I had to do some research just to see what 2k my career I can play offline because for whatever reason recent my careers are online only modes
@@Benoni-100 which 2k was it
The issue with the 2k is that for some reason one game mode is reviewed as the entire game lol none of this happens in myleague what so ever
ah yes the game mode that requires more money than my career
That one game mode generates them the most money so they’re going to listen to those people over the others.
@@Douglass10 the mode doesn’t make them money VC sales make the extra money the laziness of the community makes them money if they played for 10 months as opposed to being maxed out in the first week
They make money when the common cries they forced to buy VC cause they can’t green a shot 100% of the time 😂
It’s the community fault at the end of the day no other sports game has as much to offer as 2k
@@rishyrish yeah that one game mode is MyCareer. Park. It generates the most money because of VC sells, so they listen to those people who complain. It is the communities fault, but it’s the companies fault for instilling VC. Have you story of the “wolf & the blade”. That’s what this is.
@@rishyrish UA-cam keeps deleting my comments. MyCareer I.e park makes the most money so they listen to those people. It’s the story of the wolf & the BL43D.
I refuse to play any sports games online these days. It is never set up to optimize the experience and challenge of the game, that's always secondary to getting you to play for longer and/or pay more money.
Theres also just too many people who don’t know how to play the game of basketball ruining peoples experience since it’s impossible to do it all by yourself
Subbing in rec is a phenomenal concept. Almost like loadouts in an FPS. Pick 2 builds to have for certain situations in game. Start your shooter, your team gets dominated on boards, call a timeout and sub in your big and your team could play a different way. I’d love that mechanic in the next game. Hell 2k’s greedy ass could even make it profitable by charging like 100vc for every sub forcing you to be super strategic.
this is a great idea
Sounds like something that would be abused so much 😂😂😂😂. Mycareer is based off of pick up basketball and they can hardly balance those teams. I can’t imagine playing with people adding even more variables.
Sounds nice bud 😂
Mans assumed us casuals have multiple high rating builds 😂
The point you made about random rec is so true,I can't tell you how many times I was very efficient on offense I.e 26 on 7/10 fg, having a random refuse to pass me the ball when I'm the hot hand,they fail to realize that if my match-up can't gaurd me they have to double which opens opportunities for them,so many Ls because of this
I remember playing 2k16 and my dad walked in looked at the screen and said "I didn't know there was a game on." I just looked at him and said "nah its just my game on the xbox." "DAMN THATS NUTS" 😂😂
NBA2k was peak before they introduced badges
the comparison to Magic or Yugioh is actually a really interesting one, because even beyond the “these people have way more time/money” factor in both, there’s a lot of added complexity and knowledge, and yeah you can learn the systems over time but its a lot more to get into than “shoot with this button, pass with that button, go” and that feeds back into the time issue even more.
I remember getting my PS3 and playing 2K7 on the flat screen downstairs and my grandma walked by thinking it was real lmao.
As a known 2K supporter. 2K18 and 2K22 made me want to stop playing, but 2K23 brought me back with Eras. But I went back to 2K16 and realized .that they need an engine overhaul. I was playing against the Bulls and got destroyed by Drose because he was so unbelievably fast. I put LeBron on him an couldn’t slow him down. Open 3s weren’t automatic. Whereas now it’s tailored too much to the online community (ironically because that’s obviously not working). What’s sad is the features of MyNBA are great, but I don’t know if I see myself buying 2k25 unless they add something like situation mode back. Which is sad because I own every 2k since 2k10.
As an ex-rec player, I hear you dog. My best friend and I stayed connected via 2k over the pandemic, and we just couldn’t tolerate the rec experience anymore in 23. The matchmaking and toxic teammates became too much.
As someone who has been playing 2K since 2K5 as well and still regularly play 2K you summed it up nicely. They need to go back to the 2K19 player builder where you had to choose between being great at one thing or decent at two things. The whole everybody can do everything great has killed this game.
i stopped playing when they changed and added a bunch of badges in 2k19, shit just got way too confusing.
obviously I don't play anymore, but the one problem I have with the game, because I still watch some rebuilds, is the ratings in the game. like, I'm still used to the 2k16 ratings, where overalls were much lower, and the 90 overalls were reserved for like top 5 players, and the 80 overalls were all stars, borderline all stars, or just really good starters. watching the pistons rebuild you did a few weeks ago and seeing like 3 80 overalls on one of the worst teams in history, James Wiseman being like a 77 overall, that was the most confusing shit ever for me
This. 2k18 was the last time the badges and ratings were balanced. I still go back and play it for franchise mode. Now it's a complete dumpster fire.
Even IF you spend the dozens of hours fixing and balancing everything, it's all undone by one off-season. The badges are out of control. Ratings out of control. The stats make no sense. It's honestly painful to play MyNBA.
I switched to primarily MyTeam after 2k20. It's still broken but all the cards are somewhat equally broken.
They just need to split the game into three vs trying to design a one-size-fits-all game. MyCareer, MyTeam and MyNBA/Eras are just too different.
Although in defense of the Pistons ratings: you can't simulate coaching as bad as Monty Williams.
Under an average coach they would probably be like 18-29. Duren, Bogdanovic and Cade should all probably be around 80 and Ausar gets close.
@@michaelahurtwe gotta stop this. He took the suns to the finals. He’s not a bad coach. The team isn’t put together well.
@@superQman600 I've watched every game this season. He's horrendous.
He didn't realize he should let Jaden Ivey have the ball until the GM had to sit him down halfway through the season. Huh?
The roster, when healthy, is fine. It doesn't fit any worse than Orlando. You actually don't have to put Killian Hayes and Ausar on the same side while Cade runs a pick and roll into 4 guys. Dallas doesn't even do that with Luka, he gets the ball on the move and they run multiple actions. Hell two games ago he was still running Cade into a brick wall.
Monty didn't start coaching until game 30 at best. He didn't realize you could have multiple actions or run a Spain pick and roll until December. They literally switched *every* screen for about a month. Every screen. "Hey opposing team. Want our first defender on your best player? Ok!! Here you go"
The GM had to trade Isaiah Livers just so Monty couldn't play him. It took him 46 games to realize Killian Hayes is bad. To realize what everyone else knew *THREE* years ago.
Look maybe when he's engaged and cares and has Chris Paul he's fine -- although the Suns reddit would disagree -- but he didn't even attempt to coach the team for months. He has been that bad.
its cause the narrative in the nba now is "wOw plAyeRs aRe sO mUch bEttEr nOw"
imo the BIGGEST issue is the fact that 2K has no competition when it comes to basketball games due to how much money they have and because of that they don't care what the consumers say there ain't no other product.
Absolute crock of shit I can't play MyCareer on 2k20 or 2K21 because the servers are down. An offline mode is now forever lost. Done with 2K, never buying 1st hand from them again
Yeah. They shut down the servers 2 years after release. Can’t even download rosters. Pathetic.
Bro don’t even get me started on that concept. I worked and grinded so hard on 2k20 to better my player attributes even spent money on VC. For 2k to throw all that hard work and time away just so you can buy the new one and DO THE EXACT SAME THING is sick. I haven’t bought 2k since
Really appreciated the 'parents thought it was real' anecdote. My folks both got fooled when I brought home Madden 09 and would add weather effects to the games
Madden 09 was when shit got real graphics-wise imo
You forgot to mention the input latency on online modes. No game gets away with this problem like 2K does. I've basically avoided online for the last four 2Ks because of this issue.
Yes! 2k is literally unplayable unless you have good internet
@@blake8350 even with good internet, it's unplayable
@@blake8350 Thats most online games that require player to player interactions. Even with rollback in fighting games, bad internet will inevitably ruin the experience for both sides
@@Spawn3582 I get what you’re saying but I can play literally any game but 2k without lagging. Agent 00 did a vid on it a while ago but basically they don’t even have west coast or east coast servers, they have one server for all of North America
@@blake8350 I haven't seen that video so I'll have to go look and see but I find it hard to believe 2K is the only game lagging. From personal experience it could be any game that you're playing, but assuming it could be just 2K. I wonder what's causing it
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Never thought I'd find my 2K x Overwatch crowd but here we are
0:30 - I remember playing MLB the show with my Grandpa watching and he thought it was highlights. I couldnt believe it.
A lot of people didn't like 2K20 because you could only make "role players", but the game felt more balanced. You couldn't make a build that was good at almost everything like you can now. The pie chart system made you choose one thing to be great at, or two things to be good at. It made the game feel more balanced, you had to play more within your role and what you're good at. The last time I had fun playing rec was 2K20.
Kofie would you ever consider doing a podcast or something similar? Would love to hear some longer format content from you other than the sb stuff
Facts
Love it! More video game balance essays please the OW breakdown was great let alone the 2k stuff
ive started taking mental health breaks from 2k but i always come back
Wow, I didn’t really expect Goats to be the subject of a Kofie video today. Fun!
I genuinely recommend going back and playing any game from 2k15 to 17 if you have one of them. I got 2k17 and I’m having a blast doing a my career type save in myleague, where I put a player in a draft class and start my career from there. I do realise you can’t play online on those games but fundamentally those games are infinitely better.
I never thought I’d see Overwatch be compared to 2K but I’ve played both pretty heavily and I completely understand the frustration, Love the video man!
Member of the Sim Nation here. I actually never thought of that but it makes perfect sense. Normally I play all kinds of games. From Battle Royale to MMO to Souls-like. In all the games I play, NBA 2K is the only game I don't PVP. I tried it and I just didn't like it but I always thought it was because I used to play ball in real life and all I wanted was to play like the team's real life counterparts.
And now Kofie laid it all out to me I can see why. Because I never looked at NBA 2K's PARK/REC as what they are, PVP games. I'm having the most fun playing Franchise mode and playing CPU because I can run plays and I can do what I actually see in the NBA.
Since they've already had letter grades and actual numbers for player's ratings, maybe they can split the game up and use only the letter grades for PVP games (Park/REC games) and then balance both side of the game with badges (so they worth more in PVP, for example). Just my two cents, I dont know if it'd work and if it's super hard to implement but coming from a lot of MMO communities I've always find the balancing between pve/pvp challenging for devs.
I don't play sports games online much (last time was back on the PS3) so finding out that sports game multiplayers have evolved into full on RPGs with badges, stats, gear and everything impacting online is insane to me. I thought it was still just a vanilla your chosen team vs opponents chosen team while you grind leaderboard ranks unless you were playing Ultimate Team type modes.
This is nuts
I think 2K's only way out is fixed player builds or maybe something like what EA does in CHEL where you have a badge limit of 4 with only one being your X-Factor. Then reset the build of anyone who gets too extreme in their ratings like 92 speed, 93 agility, and 93 accel at the expense of 80 balance, 79 slapshot accuracy, etc. Only problem is I don't think 2K is willing to sacrifice the VC that's being spent on these builds and would rather choose profit over gameplay balance.
NBA Live '95 did a better job of being a basketball simulator than whatever version of NBA 2k made me see approximately 1000 Chips Ahoy flags before I could even ride the bench instead of play against the Bucks.
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They need to eliminate or limit badges. they simply break the game. and they need to limit the heights and weights.
Bro. This is the most spot on description of 2k I’ve ever heard. I honestly couldn’t agree more. I too love 2k but like you said random rec is just way too frustrating. Zero balance. And I’m sick of getting banned for a game I paid for just because I’m tired of playing with a random team. It’s so wild to me lol. Great video bro
You pointed out something very interesting. 2k knows that we all have a certain game type. And we only play what we like without experiencing the game in its entirety. With that being said, 2k gave us a game mode similar to what we have all been asking for. We just won't go to it because, it's The W. And as the community we want to dunk, and be men. But The W although watered down, does not cost vc to build nor gain clothes. If those two options were available in My Career. The community would be mildly happy.
As a person who always burns out of playing 2k after a couple months, I never really understood why. I thought it was rewards and unlocks, but this year there are plenty of good reasons to grind out levels and rep. But, its now February and I aint play the game since November. I think this video helped me understand why I give up on the game. If I have to play 10 games of blow outs to have that 1 game of legit, competitive, high iq, fun basketball then it aint worth it. Especially after my build and badges are maxed and there's no way for me to improve my player
My wife got me 2k24 for Christmas and I barely play it. I don't even bother with MyTeam anymore.
OG OW players remember. Launch Brigitte and Goats comp were cancer
I play mostly random. And I can say this. Most games consist of all 5 players running in circles. No spacing. Everybody wants to be 1 of 3 players. The centers are not centers. They are all KD and carmelo builds. The guards are all kobe, and curry builds. Nobody plays their roles. The 90+ 3ball shooters slash all game. And the pure slashers clog paint all game. Resulting in massive turnovers because no spacing. I actually like this game compared to previous years. My only gripe is how slow and bad the passing is and how bigs can't finish at the rim as good as a guard. Makes no sense
This is so accurate. 2K uses the fact that voice chat exists to justify not showing you what your teammates are, but the difference between voice chat and real life is violence. You don't have to worry in 2K that you're gonna be punched in the face for the stupid corny shit you wanna pull. There is a general understanding when people can reach out and touch you that your actions are going to dictate whether or not that happens... so act accordingly. If 2K would just tell everyone what the teams make up was *badges and attys quickly before each game you would have a better chance. Also, if their report and ban system was better the community would be better.
I've felt the same way about this for a while! I've always felt like balance was non-existent in the game and that it felt SUPER unfair that changes to the gameplay could make your build bad, and the only solution is to make another build when it's not your fault that the build doesn't work anymore.
I love Overwatch, but i havent played regularly since about March of last year when my frirnds stopped playing. Hammond mains rise up in Kofies comments
that's why i like play now online player control, it's pretty much rec with real players so it's easier to try and pick someone that works with everyone else and there's less worry about one of your teammates having a bad build
oh also that mode doesnt have microtransactions, i dont have to spend 40 bucks to play as giannis, i can just pick giannis
@@hxnda29 play now online player control is underrated asl
There’s a relatively simple solution: before each random game, there’s a 5 minute scoreless pickup session with randomly assigned teams. Weight the counting stats, and then re-distribute the players based on their stats in the pregame. There are a lot of holes obviously but it is a direct balance-free solution
i like the idea but i feel like people would hate it because they think its 5 minutes of wasted time
The most frustrating thing about 2k for me is the offline mode. You cannot be a superstar coming into the league. If real life were like 2k there would be no Jordan, Kobe, lebron. They would enter the league at OVR 65 and have to grind over several seasons to get any good at all. A new 2k offline character wouldn’t get on a college team.
Now, children, please respond with “git gud”
You know what for me? I wholeheartedly agree. I honestly haven’t had a great time online since like 2k17-2k18. What I have found is I am addicted to my league. I mean it’s broken yeah, but it’s fascinating to watch Dick Bender win 10 NBA Titles in a row with the Thunder, averaging 60 20 and 10 every year as a 6’2” shooting guard from 2042 to 2052.
I played 5 games in Rec, won every one somehow, only for it to wait at the end and say there's a connection error*. All 5 games I didn't get credit. Deleted the game, even the save data. Remembered it's the only basketball simulation. Went back to playing Myera and it's been more enjoyable. It has it's own issues. But there's been a lot less frustration and more enjoyment
The fact that you play overwatch makes me so happy and so sad
None of my friends have touched 2k since December, also I tried to get a refund and they said that I couldn’t get a refund for VC because I already used it (fair) but said because I already used it they couldn’t recoup the VC I had used so I can’t get a refund RECOUP??? It’s literally called VIRTUAL CURRENCY they basically said because I used that VC there’s no way for them to get it back so I can’t get a refund
just got recommended on my feed and ima like and sub👍🏻, i feel like i could hear Kofie talk about overwatch for a longg time but yeah most of the things he said is why i stopped playing mycareer/park/neighborhood/anyplaceotherthanacourt and just stick to myleague by myself or play now team matches w homies, and i won’t buy 2k25. my cousin bought me FC24 and i feel bad because i just can’t stand playing it because it’s very similar
I’m with you 100% I have mad friends to squad up with but I don’t play like I used to.
If I didn’t have a huge group of friends that played the game I probably wouldn’t play it. Trying to play with randoms can be the most frustrating experience. Sometimes you get lucky and everyone is on the mic and it just clicks but those scenarios are few and far between
I used to play as a 6'3 95 OVR Playmaking Perimeter Creator and every matchup I got was a 6'8 PG with dunking, blocking, 3 pt, slashing, not allowing me to play my own game, making me resort to just corner sitting waiting for an open shot. So frequent to the point I resorted to buying VC and making a 6'8 3 level threat so I could be on a level playing field. I don't want to play a game that has so much variety people feel like they have to keep shelling out 50 to 500 dollars A YEAR for multiple builds just to have one META build that does everything after 3 SEASONS OF PATCHES where your old build feels ancient to the new ones being made. I used to play 2k because it was the best basketball sim in the world, now I resent it because it represents everything wrong with the state of live service games and half-assed commitment to making a balanced and fun game for participating parties spending nearly 2 months worth of paychecks just to KEEP UP.
I feel this video. Online play is annoying AF if you don't have a full squad going in.
I'm enjoying playing last year's 2k in 92 and under rec, most of the insane people have moved on, so it's mostly just people who quit 2k24, kids, and other similarly casuals. I agree that the balancing in general is horrible, I liked the older 2ks where if you spec'd your big man to be a shooter, it meant he couldn't really do much else or was giving up a ton of size, now every point guard is max height, min weight, max wingspan, every center is a two-way stretch, everyone shoots ten fadeaway corner 3s a half, and it just stops resembling basketball.
23 was my last I have several 92 but the matchmaking is too trash for me I’m decent but refuse to carry bots
I think it’s crazy how just one person on your 5 man squad can destroy your team chemistry. It can be incredibly frustrating
I've been thinking about this idea since 2k started their eLeague. If they replaced the Rec with a mode similar to the eLeague locked mode, new players would be able to play the game online, casual players can jump onto the game throughout the year, and competitive players have a better way to compare themselves because everyone has the same limited options. It would also allow 2k to balance the game more effectively and control the state of the meta.
At the very least, they could give us pre-builds we can use in the park. Even if they are unoptimized, players wouldn't be required to pay money to have a usable build.
Insightful video… I don’t think the balance issue is with player customization, i think its with the rank system and match making.
I wish they made the “archetypes” like they were in the past (2k13-16 or something), where you had a specialty like athleticism, or outside shooting, so those attributes would be incredibly whilst the others would still be usable. I remember my athletic point guard, whilst having 90+speed and finishing, still having 80+3pt and defending. But now you have to be such a specialty player you physically can’t do more things than just one or at a push two. If you tried to be an all rounder you’d just be a mid role player.
Great Vid
the fact that they still don't have nextgen on PC is insane to me
It’s cuz they don’t want modders making the game better than they could
Same thing sort of with online team up, 50% of the time you’re matched up with awful teammates then your forced to either play a full game of agonizing basketball or quit and get punished for it. I do still enjoy the actual gameplay tho. The game feel good just many of the player base just don’t play actual basketball.
I just thought about this, but one cool thing they could do is make a Rec mode where you select from a list of players in the NBA. I think that would balance it pretty well…unless someone wants to play as like Killian Hayes to troll
The problem is basketball is position-less pretty much now a days so it’s going to be hard for the game to be balanced if it’s going to be realistic but only way they can balance out the game is going back to the traditional roles of the 1-5 and only allowing certain attribute upgrades
I pretty much just play Team-Up with my friends. Rec and Park just gets way too frustrating and MyCareer’s not really fun enough to keep me invested for long.
Usually game one goes well. Game two I get mad... and so forth.
Lot of things i agree with here. I think the biggest thing Kofie didn’t talk about was the dev team also basically doesn’t touch the game after a couple of months because they start making the next one. I would argue 2K could be really fun and balanced if they were able to move to a F2P or subscription model and just have one platform that they iterate on for years. Instead of reinventing the wheel every 8 months
I agree with most of this except, height difference is apart of basketball. What has made it trash is the badge /grade system inspiring selfish play / players . It’s between tedious job or pay to play no balance.
I also started on 2K5 and the same happened with my parents as well haha
I’ve actually had some luck and played with some good randoms lately. One terrible player on your team can alter the whole game experience for the whole time
Either go back to archetypes or take away badges I think a lot gets solved without badges
I’m too old to be good enough to fucking green every shoot man i just be playing mycareer and head-to-head online that’s it i can’t keep it with the rec on a sweat level
I go into random REC with lowest expectations possible. Once my team shows me they on board to win, we can usually get the dub. The matchmaking is kind of broken. I think they should balance teammate grade and performance for a better experience.
“I don’t think I’m going to get 2k25. I just don’t have fun playing anymore” - all of us for 10-12 years, we still always end up buying it anyways
I only really mess with franchise and some superstar or whatever. Do they not have filtering in rec? I figure it should be tiered like every 5 attribute points or something at least you'd have an idea of badges and skill. Or restricted 2-2-1 for random rec to increase variance
8:25 that part. I made a build with 80 3pt rating and couldn’t hit consistently when the game came out. Then I made a new build with a 85 3pt rating, after that 2k made shooting easier which made me waste 50$
My biggest issue with this series is that they’re trying so hard to make it cinematic and anti “cheese” that it doesn’t play like natural basketball. You literally can’t even do a legit double crossover in transition lol. Only franchise where the game actually gets worse every new release.
I feel how he feels and i continue to play and feel amazing when im able to win 😂
Exactly even if things are unbalanced and they patch it. People spend money creating the most ideal build but they knock down what level ur handling has to be to get certain animations. Then it leaves your build less efficient. Which you just spent money on.
Ngl the wnba is wayyy better you get like certain play styles for each position then you can edit it from there
NBA 2k series went from one of my favorites to me hardly playing it probably haven’t bought one in it least 3 years
Honest patch notes and being able to re-spec your attributes would solve this issue almost entirely.
I just bought my first NBA 2K game (24) when it was sale for the holidays. All I have touched is franchise, and I have got to say that I've had a blast. Going back to 1991 and playing with Peyton and Kemp has been outstanding.
All this online play? Nah, I'm out man. I'm just gonna chill here in franchise mode and enjoy my team building vs the CPU
My biggest complaint is how many layups these guys miss during games. It can be a open lane to the basket and a player just smokes a clear cut lay up.
Gotta be a skill issue bro 2k24 is the easiest 2k to make layups in by far
None of my shooting or defensive badges progress.... they did nothing about this
Thank you for SPEAKING UP !!! I hate what the overall presentation of the brand has become. More focus on the fluff around the game and less focus on the actual oncourt gameplay and interaction.
damn i don’t play overwatch, but that was a hell of a connection to the problems facing 2k. i can say as a primary mycareer guy, i would just like to have the magic of like a 2k11-2k13 back, i know it’s not happening because more people are in the park but FUCKK, it would just be cool for them to seperate them like the wnba mode
The badges are so good from a simulation perspective though