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Cmon man. This is kind of click-bait. I thought that MotoGP had extra special clutches that regular people can’t get. Most mid-level and high end street bikes have slipper clutches. Been that way for over a decade now. It’s not just specific to MotoGP and racing any more. The high end bikes have slipper clutches along with engine braking control and regulation make it so that a regular person can just bang auto-blipped downshifts from 5th to 2nd gear without the rear wheel getting out of line.
I agree it was baitish in that it is now very old news presented to sound like something new and interesting. but it is no surprise these youtube folks tend to say anything to get clicks....kinds whorish or something Obviously to be honest a much better title could have been used like "How and why moto gp gave us our wonderful slipper clutch technology" or some such
My BMW not only has a slipper clutch, it also uses electronics to keep the rear wheel spinning the same speed as the front wheel when the rear is in the air. This allows it to land smooth and seamlessly. My EBR 1190 Rx didn't come with a slipper clutch and it caused an accident. I was only using front brake but the rear wheel got light and started skidding. I was trying to pass another bike so I was off the race line but didn't have enough room to pass. Normally I get back on race line staying tight with the bike ahead but with the rear wheel locked up I couldn't smoothly get back into line. This left the guy behind me nowhere to go. I immediately ordered and installed a slipper in that bike because I do not ever want that to happen again.
Old concept, previously used as a fuse. Rotax series 9 aero engines have a slipper clutch between the prop and the reduction gear. The idea is to limit torque on startup and in case of a propeller strike. Still, a propeller strike often results in a warped crankshaft (new crankshaft = 5000 eur plus 2 days work).
Click bait making out its a genius clutch but my gixxer1000 from 2004 has a slipper clutch in it (not standard) so its not like its new technology then you shove a 20 minute advert in the middle. Yawn
In my time of Racing we were always told shifting down the gears on the approach to a corner was only to select the CORRECT gear for the optimum accelleration for the exit of the corner NOT to slow the bike down. The Brakes are there to slow down the bike not the gears. Engine breaking was adjusted for the Turn into the corner. I also dont mean to rain on your video but the slipper clutch has been around since the 1980's.
Try the Honda XL600RF back in the 1980s, that had a slipper clutch to stop rear wheel lockup on downshifts. I loved that bike. First of the RFVC heads, dual carbs and a lot of fun
You need to look at history. Most motorcycles had spring loaded ramps before WW2. They do exactly the same process except off the end of the crankshaft not the clutch. Everything old is new again. Yamaha claimed to have invented the rear wheel monoshock but my pre WW1 Flying Merkel had the same system.
I've had a lot of motorcycles in my years all old style clutches now I have a 2022 Ducati with a slipper clutch in it freaking amazing! Being an old-school Rider when I first started hearing about motorcycles with rider AIDS I thought to myself what the hell do you need that for🙄 but now with whille and traction control anti-lock brakes, I'm having a hell of a lot of fun on this bike when you get older your reflexes ain't what they used to be and anti-lock brakes can really help.
WTF?? Where did you ever see or hear Stoner say ANYTHING whatsoever about disliking slipper clutches?? I’ve never heard any racer say they don’t like them or that they’d prefer completely manually operated clutches to seperate the field. That’s completely ludicrous, it really is. In many ways slipper clutches can be thought of as a safety device in some ways. It DEFINITELY doesn’t bunch up the field, as aero and traction control does. Perhaps you don’t actually understand just what a slipper clutch does and how they work? That’s my guess because if you did, you’d never have made such a statement, which is completely and utterly wrong. Furthermore, although the NR500 was indeed the first GP bike to use a slipper clutch, they weren’t used at all with 2 stroke bikes of that era. Only reason the NR used one is because it had a 4 stroke engine. On the whole, they didn’t become popular until the early to mid 90’s, for Superbike racing. There was literally just a handful of 2 stroke bikes which used slipper clutches in GP. They just don’t need them as they have such a tiny amount of engine braking to begin with, so there’s very little need for slipper clutches with those kind of bike.
@@aaronperelmuter8433 well sir, the big question is a bit like the Amish question, where is the line of technology that we must reject? Is the telephone ok? I’m not saying Stoner argues about slipper clutches. But why doesn’t he? This whole argument that technology is killing racing and what people want to see is who can handle the power and control the throttle, has holes all over it. Some technology is ok but other tech isn’t? I would agree I think, but not sure where that line is, or what the line is. I actually once agreed with Stoner’s argument, but it doesn’t stack up to scrutiny very well, and when I hear modern racers say how amazing these bikes are to ride, how Miller says the things these young guys are doing these days is just phenomenal, it makes me see that bikes are not dead and riders skills are not dead either - which is basically what Stoner and co are saying. It’s just our negativity and looking upon the past with rose coloured glasses. The sport is fine, the bikes are fine, the riders are fine, the admin are addressing design and rule issues like they have always done. (Moto2 sucks though but I don’t hear people complaining about that)
If you really hate technology what you really would want to watch is a field of 20 naked dudes running around the track and they can make engine voices with their mouths...
Just a small quibble; clutch frictional force is not dependent on surface area, just on the pressure and the coefficient of friction. What the additional surface area does is reduce the shear force transmitted through each plate, which makes the whole thing smoother, and reduces wear. Great explainer otherwise.
You have great on-camera presence and an engaging personality, Dan! Seriously, you could have a really successful channel if you produced content on a subject you actually know something about.😊
Actually the E clutch tech Honda now has COULD with precise sensing and actuation actually do the same thing possibly even BETTER? Obviously such tech could eliminate a rider ever needing to even touch a clutch lever as computers have over and over again on many things proven able to outdo the best human...in fact while their at it they can manipulate the shifting mechanism of a manual transmission also which I like better than any automatic transmission or even dual clutch because they are heavier and more expensive. Of course motogp seamless trannies are out of this world expensive I am not referring to them for price comparison
Seriously dude? 10min of life wasted for your presso on 45yr old bike tech... 70yrs for cars - Youre really scrapping the barrel for content now lol 🤣😂🤣
Less baitish more accurate title?~~> "How starting decades ago genius clutch tech made motogp riders (and many of us on an off the track in general) faster and better" Ir at the very LEAST? "How genius clutch tech MADE motogp riders faster" More properly rephrased to NOT suggest something NEW which it AINT
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Cmon man. This is kind of click-bait. I thought that MotoGP had extra special clutches that regular people can’t get. Most mid-level and high end street bikes have slipper clutches. Been that way for over a decade now. It’s not just specific to MotoGP and racing any more. The high end bikes have slipper clutches along with engine braking control and regulation make it so that a regular person can just bang auto-blipped downshifts from 5th to 2nd gear without the rear wheel getting out of line.
True. It's clickbait. Slipper clutch is not new tech
Slipper clutch has been used since the start of 4-stroke era of MotoGP. Now even cheap sub 250cc street bike has it.
Agree clickbaity. Nothing new about slippers. If this was about modern MotoGp clutches and launch control aspects however...
Honda had these on their bikes back in the '80s, ( yes, im that old and have been riding that long)
I agree it was baitish in that it is now very old news presented to sound like something new and interesting. but it is no surprise these youtube folks tend to say anything to get clicks....kinds whorish or something Obviously to be honest a much better title could have been used like "How and why moto gp gave us our wonderful slipper clutch technology" or some such
10 minutes to reveal 20 yr old technology FFS! What a waste of time.
My BMW not only has a slipper clutch, it also uses electronics to keep the rear wheel spinning the same speed as the front wheel when the rear is in the air. This allows it to land smooth and seamlessly.
My EBR 1190 Rx didn't come with a slipper clutch and it caused an accident. I was only using front brake but the rear wheel got light and started skidding. I was trying to pass another bike so I was off the race line but didn't have enough room to pass. Normally I get back on race line staying tight with the bike ahead but with the rear wheel locked up I couldn't smoothly get back into line.
This left the guy behind me nowhere to go.
I immediately ordered and installed a slipper in that bike because I do not ever want that to happen again.
Slipper clutch + autoblip/seamless gearbox = deadly combo
Old concept, previously used as a fuse. Rotax series 9 aero engines have a slipper clutch between the prop and the reduction gear. The idea is to limit torque on startup and in case of a propeller strike. Still, a propeller strike often results in a warped crankshaft (new crankshaft = 5000 eur plus 2 days work).
Click bait making out its a genius clutch but my gixxer1000 from 2004 has a slipper clutch in it (not standard) so its not like its new technology then you shove a 20 minute advert in the middle. Yawn
In my time of Racing we were always told shifting down the gears on the approach to a corner was only to select the CORRECT gear for the optimum accelleration for the exit of the corner NOT to slow the bike down. The Brakes are there to slow down the bike not the gears. Engine breaking was adjusted for the Turn into the corner. I also dont mean to rain on your video but the slipper clutch has been around since the 1980's.
Wow....welcome to 2004 when the ZX10R had a slipper clutch.
Try the Honda XL600RF back in the 1980s, that had a slipper clutch to stop rear wheel lockup on downshifts. I loved that bike. First of the RFVC heads, dual carbs and a lot of fun
Great video, however please dont show a car clutch as an example while explaining a motorcycle clutch :)
Good spot, yeah that one slipped through the cracks...my bad
Some BMWs have a car style clutch in them looked very similar.
I can't stop hearing Captain Eggcelent from your content. Are you giving me Easter Eggs about motorcycles?
Having listened to one of his videos just now I'm slightly terrified....why do we sound so alike...
@7.24 for the explanation
You need to look at history. Most motorcycles had spring loaded ramps before WW2. They do exactly the same process except off the end of the crankshaft not the clutch. Everything old is new again.
Yamaha claimed to have invented the rear wheel monoshock but my pre WW1 Flying Merkel had the same system.
Can you discuss the events in each week of MotoGP races, maybe by discussing it you can get a lot of views on your content
I've had a lot of motorcycles in my years all old style clutches now I have a 2022 Ducati with a slipper clutch in it freaking amazing! Being an old-school Rider when I first started hearing about motorcycles with rider AIDS I thought to myself what the hell do you need that for🙄 but now with whille and traction control anti-lock brakes, I'm having a hell of a lot of fun on this bike when you get older your reflexes ain't what they used to be and anti-lock brakes can really help.
bro, engine break never outpowers front brakes
I suppose Casey Stoner and the like would disapprove of such technology, not allowing us to see who can slip the clutch the best and test the rider?
Slipper clutches have been around since the 1980’s, starting with the nr500
WTF?? Where did you ever see or hear Stoner say ANYTHING whatsoever about disliking slipper clutches?? I’ve never heard any racer say they don’t like them or that they’d prefer completely manually operated clutches to seperate the field.
That’s completely ludicrous, it really is. In many ways slipper clutches can be thought of as a safety device in some ways. It DEFINITELY doesn’t bunch up the field, as aero and traction control does.
Perhaps you don’t actually understand just what a slipper clutch does and how they work? That’s my guess because if you did, you’d never have made such a statement, which is completely and utterly wrong.
Furthermore, although the NR500 was indeed the first GP bike to use a slipper clutch, they weren’t used at all with 2 stroke bikes of that era. Only reason the NR used one is because it had a 4 stroke engine.
On the whole, they didn’t become popular until the early to mid 90’s, for Superbike racing. There was literally just a handful of 2 stroke bikes which used slipper clutches in GP. They just don’t need them as they have such a tiny amount of engine braking to begin with, so there’s very little need for slipper clutches with those kind of bike.
@@aaronperelmuter8433 well sir, the big question is a bit like the Amish question, where is the line of technology that we must reject? Is the telephone ok? I’m not saying Stoner argues about slipper clutches. But why doesn’t he? This whole argument that technology is killing racing and what people want to see is who can handle the power and control the throttle, has holes all over it. Some technology is ok but other tech isn’t? I would agree I think, but not sure where that line is, or what the line is. I actually once agreed with Stoner’s argument, but it doesn’t stack up to scrutiny very well, and when I hear modern racers say how amazing these bikes are to ride, how Miller says the things these young guys are doing these days is just phenomenal, it makes me see that bikes are not dead and riders skills are not dead either - which is basically what Stoner and co are saying. It’s just our negativity and looking upon the past with rose coloured glasses. The sport is fine, the bikes are fine, the riders are fine, the admin are addressing design and rule issues like they have always done. (Moto2 sucks though but I don’t hear people complaining about that)
If you really hate technology what you really would want to watch is a field of 20 naked dudes running around the track and they can make engine voices with their mouths...
Just a small quibble; clutch frictional force is not dependent on surface area, just on the pressure and the coefficient of friction. What the additional surface area does is reduce the shear force transmitted through each plate, which makes the whole thing smoother, and reduces wear. Great explainer otherwise.
Many people get the wording wrong say engaging the clutch is when you pull the lever.....
In my place, it is normal to have slipper clutch on motorcycle, even 155c single cylinder has one!
surprised you didn't mention first corner at Portimao, it's the hardest braking zone on the calendar
I think the downhill at motegi is a good one too
There are a few inaccuracies and this isn't new or exclusive tech
Dude, 20 year old technology!!
Pls don't waste peoples time with this...
you didnt know that old lower cc c70 engine got slipper clutch?
Just discovered this channel and rediscovered my enjoyment of MotoGP, really enjoying the content 👍🏼
Yamaha back then are always one step ahead of the pack until 2021.
Now explain dual clutch transmission.
Excessive and inappropriate hand gesticulations make this impossible to watch.
You have great on-camera presence and an engaging personality, Dan! Seriously, you could have a really successful channel if you produced content on a subject you actually know something about.😊
Actually the E clutch tech Honda now has COULD with precise sensing and actuation actually do the same thing possibly even BETTER? Obviously such tech could eliminate a rider ever needing to even touch a clutch lever as computers have over and over again on many things proven able to outdo the best human...in fact while their at it they can manipulate the shifting mechanism of a manual transmission also which I like better than any automatic transmission or even dual clutch because they are heavier and more expensive. Of course motogp seamless trannies are out of this world expensive I am not referring to them for price comparison
Seriously dude? 10min of life wasted for your presso on 45yr old bike tech... 70yrs for cars - Youre really scrapping the barrel for content now lol 🤣😂🤣
Less baitish more accurate title?~~> "How starting decades ago genius clutch tech made motogp riders (and many of us on an off the track in general) faster and better" Ir at the very LEAST? "How genius clutch tech MADE motogp riders faster" More properly rephrased to NOT suggest something NEW which it AINT
Why should MotoGP be the example? In Southeast Asia all 150cc motorbikes use this type of clutch.
Because unlike our 150cc bikes here in Asia, motgp bikes goes 300km/h
This isnt new. Suzuki had it since 2005.
0:52 showing preassure palte of a car, doesn t help with explaining out how motorcycle clutch works -_-
10 minutes just to say motogp use a slipper clutch? Every bike after 2005 uses a slipper clutch 😭 what a waste of time
Click Bait - for views
10min click bait video and the reveal got like 1 minute of video. DUDE.... I'm never watching one of your vids again.
Had a slipper clutch. Couldn’t get on with it. Swapped it out
Honestly dude, bad content.