MotoGP is Changing FOREVER...
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- MotoGP is going to be changing forever - and the organisers of MotoGP are trying to make the bikes themselves slower. How come?
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Removing the shapeshifting devices, smaller fuel tank and a smaller engine would quickly add up to 4kg I reckon.
Nobody likes peaky small engines
smaller tanks necessitating more fuel stops would definitely upset the apple cart. The team becomes even more important.
Talk for yourselfs@@Shaft0
@@Shaft0 nah, they're really cool, people love the v8s and v10s of older f1, sure they're still much bigger than bike engines but the same applies
@@Shaft0 bullshit
With aero so advance, it's quite tricky to overtake.
MM93 : Hold my beer.
The biggest change we need to see is UA-camrs taking a 3 minute vid and extending it with unrelated historical context that no one came here to see just to farm ad revenue. If you came here to see the new changes, the video starts at @08:23.
Ahhh finally thank you. Tired of all the filled in explanations across UA-cam.
Agree with you!!
Thank you sir!
It's so bad. Watch time has people giving a documentary leading up to a 30 second point to be made
MVP!
MotoGP needs to work very hard to make the aero not ruin the racing like it has in F1. Great aero = no passing.
yup. every race is a ducati parade now.. with almost no passing
Ridiculous! The racing in the premier class is currently the best it's been in the history of the sport. You are clueless young man!
they should just do away with it all together
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp yep, I don’t understand how people can complain. They probably do because they’ve heard someone say it
@@servethesongshave we been watching the same racing definitely a lot off passing going into on still
2002-2008 was the golden era of MotoGP for me. Personally I’m excited about the new regulations. We are extremely lucky that no one has died in MotoGP since 2011 with the speeds we are reaching today.
Make the rider run the bikes not the electrics.
Yeh you go and ride a bike with 300+HP and 153kg see how far you get.
@@mineralwater6736 😂😂😂
@@karl-oskarsandstrom7673 what's funny?
@@mineralwater6736 "see how far you get"
Ahh typical greenlighting. Lets fly the riders and teams everywhere and ship everything with planes and trucks, while spectators drive fossil fuel cars to races but because the bikes use 100% bio fuel it's okay.
Lol
They have to start somewhere.
@@future62 driving 4 answers made a video on this and pointed that specifically f1 could set up the schedule to reduce total km traveled but they don't
Green washing
fossil fuel??? lol
We’ll end up having f1 on 2 wheels in no time. Next up, ensuring all tracks are based in USA to suit Liberty Media’s plans.
Sad to see the 1000cc go, both on track and on the street. End of an era
ICE's are a dying vehicle type, manufacturers know that and don't want to focus on developing high performance ICE's long term for that reason, it's not cost effective. That inevitably shapes the regulations.
tbf F1 has 3 races in the US which is the same as MotoGP has had as recently as 2013, and is less than the 4 we currently have in Spain. MotoGP also has 3 rounds in Italy this year (despite the guise of naming Misano San Marino). It's not like they are padding any more of the calendar in one country than MotoGP already does.
@@darthkarl99 true, but for motorbikes it just doesn’t feel right to ever imagine them not being high revving ICEs. Heavy battery powered bikes just aren’t the same, especially without the noise and smell - which if you’ve ever done track days, you’ll know is key for knowing when someone is behind you.
Cars I get being battery powered; bikes, I simply don’t understand
I just don’t recall the 800 era being rubbish racing. It was a great era, stoner, Lorenzo, Rossi. Don’t recall being bored at all sorry
IMHO the best era of MotoGP.
Riders hated it every rider even Rossi
We don't want slower MotoGP bikes, if we want slower, we'll watch WSBK instead. Sooner or later, the WSBK production based bikes are as fast as the MotoGP prototype bikes.
wsbk racing is better than moto gp racing tbh. aero has ruined moto gp.
@@Manny32V And don't forget the electronics.
Blud, none of you can speak for eachother. The last guy above you with similar likes is saying they want less aero because aero ruins racing. So who is right about what fans want between the two of you?
This is a interesting take. I do agree but I don't agree at the same time. We don't want the bikes to be slower, but we do want to see better racing persay.
Wsbk and production bikes in fact are being constantly filled with outdated motogp tech for decades
I saw the original ad for this change and realized they are completely out of touch with their fans.
Personally, I thought the 800 era was some of the best GP. Been muddled with gadgets since then and was too ridiculous in the 2 stroke days.
I agree
small displacement induced crashes sucked
2t rocks you know nothing
There are more overtakes in today's modern MotoGP era than ever before so this means it is easier to overtake in races than before because of aero packages, this was shown through statistics in the official MotoGP UA-cam channel.
Absolute rubbish … 😂🤡🥱
@@ma3stro681 really? Show your stats then
I think this was true in ~2016-2021. In the past 2 seasons the overtakes per race has been coming down and the winning margins have been increasing. Aero isn't the whole story but it is a significant factor
The biggest problem with the move from the 990 to the 800 was that they didn't decrease the maximum cylinder bore size along with it.
The surface area of the piston has a big impact on the power and torque an engine can deliver, so when they went to a smaller displacement last time, manufacturers simply reduced the stroke of the engine, thus reducing capacity but then made it rev higher. This meant the engines put out similar horsepower but were far more peaky and hard to mange on power delivery, resulting in the crazy high sides you'd see in those years.
With them placing restrictions on bore size this time around, that should hopefully prevent a similar thing happening time, though I have no doubt the engineers will come up with ways of making them very nearly as fast pretty quickly.
Personally I think the main thing that will cut lap times will be the removal of the shapeshifting devices. As you said, they're already limiting power from the engines until they're into 4th gear
MotoGP bikes should be power monsters hungry for your life , leaves much to the rider that way nobody wants to watch engineers proficiency to avoid rules we've got other shows for that .
But that is exactly the current issue. 300+hp is fully unrideable so the teams have built all sorts of bizarre stuff like active suspension, silly looking aero stuff and endless amounts of electronics to try and make it so even the GP aliens can actually handle the things. And before anyone says "blah blah 500 two strokes", those bikes only made around 170hp.
Tech proficiency made the lap time faster and faster every year buddy. Take the best power monster hungry 2T motogp bike with the best rider in the world, it couldn't beat the slowest modern motogp bike and rider today.
Please don’t turn our great sport into F1 , and bore us all to death
It’s already there … 🥱
F1 is currently a lot more exciting as there's actually a 3 way battle for the title, Moto GP not so much
You’re kidding right? There is a 4 point gap between martin and bagnania, with marquez and bastianini winning races in between. There are also FAR less overtakes in F1. In terms of actual racing and competition, Motogp is way more entertaining than F1. Just look at motogp’s last race. You will almost never get that amount of excitement in an F1 race. In almost every grand prix there is an important event affecting the championship. You can call the F1 situation a 3 way race all you want, but it still ian’t close.
Love the effort you put in these videos. Most polished MotoGP channel around :)
What needs to change is the tyres, not the bikes but hey when a tyre manufacturer is paying everyone to turn a blind eye to their complacency
Yes! Races are 3/4 tyre conservation and the rest is a sprint/attack mode. I remember the Bridgestone era where they would trash those tyres the whole race distance, with a lot of overtakes. Bring that back. Also why only 1 tyre manufacturer?? Competition brings progress
I think a different tire strategy would help alot but the fact is they are doing what nascar did, slowing things down. Hopefully the add more tracks as well.
Do you have proof of Michelin paying people off? And Michelin does change the tires, part of why bikes are so much faster in 2024 vs 2023 is a new rear tire.
@@future62 You really think racing series aren't paid by the tire manufacturer they choose to be sole supplier ??? That's like thinking the sponsor on a football team's shirts didn't pay for that.
@@future62 bruh, thats why they are called sponsor, because they paid 💀😭
I recommend that the new engine size be limited by RPM. We had smaller engines before and the bikes revved higher with narrow powerbands. This made the bikes fast, but much more difficult to ride and reduced safety. Lower RPM will make the engines last longer and force manufacturers to widen the powerbands as they cannot just spin the engine faster to move more air through it. It all comes down to power/weight/wheel-spin. The bikes are destroying tires so much, that they are limited to what the bikes can do.
Seeing the mass-centralization principle at play with the new bikes having the petrol tank under the seat is cool. Less slosh effects too I'd imagine.
Bro, why is it that with every new sport i watch, they make it slower the next year
lets just watch WSBK its more interesting
Rubbish
@@Bluepillphil-d1w still better than watching ducati vs ducati tho 🗿
@@ikanberapi2189 I’m from the famed 2 stroke era that everyone loves in hindsight, and that was Honda v Honda for quite some time- the whole Doohan era. This just happens in racing, someone works stuff out and they dominate. But if you ask me, these other brands just need some genuine good riders. Like Wsbk, bmw is nowhere, they get Toprak, they win by a mile. Riders still make the difference (largely, some exceptions, Rossi’s move to Ducati for eg which was a distaster, when duc were rubbish, remember?). While yes various makes battling it out is better I agree, it doesn’t detract that much in bikes, they’re still having some epic battles between the riders, Pecco v Martin is fantastic. And it certainly doesn’t mean sbk is better than gp to watch, where the racing just isn’t that spectacular. And the 12 events per year is just nonsense. Wsbk died after Bayliss and Edward’s era some 20 years ago. But if you want edge of the pants racing, 125s/moto3 is the place, and always has been. Rant over, thanks for responding (after my rude comment).
What about engine construction ? Is the 4 cilinder V shape a must by FIM regulations, or is there room for different line-ups as it was in the past (3/4/5 cilinder in line or V) ?
The racing is the best of any major motorsport in the world. Moto GP has the best product right now. But they like to pretend they have all the same problems as F1. The ride height device could be helping the racing. It could have been made a spec part to save cost instead of banning it
The problem with todays moto gp is the crazy speed.
If crash The riders often suffer major injuries that take long time to recover from . 🤔
F1 did some changes to slow down The top speed after wild acidents.
hate the new aero trend, the bike now looks so ugly compared to pre aero era
Hard disagree, I think it makes them more aggressive and more purpose-built. I won't deny that it makes the racing harder and less safe though
@@MrSkeleton131 i 100% won't want any of those bits on my bikes, even my 6 yrs old son think its ugly
@@MrSkeleton131aggressive and purpose built yes, but still ugly.
@@fearme46not a beauty pageant
For sure, advancing at the cost of the racing as well.
Remove all electronic controls, aero's, and rider aides, let the rider show what they can do and how fast they are,
Yes bro absolutely true 💯
Ppl want to see pilots race, not a "top 20 fatal crash compilation"
You realise that those bikes have close to 300hp right? Also prototype racing is also always about the engineering too. If you want riders skill only go and watch a cup.
@@JxcksonSFcould used a control Ecu like moto 2
If that's so then you should just just watch Isle of man
- - WARNING. - - Huge Problem COMING SOON ! WSBK ( World Superbike ) which is Less than ( 2 - 3 seconds ) / Lap slower than MotoGP ... is NOT Changing !
The Moment WSBK becomes even close to MotoGP. What will be the Point ? The MotoGP Bikes are ( 10x's ) the Cost.
"Be careful what you wish for !"
Because ... This is STUPID !
I've always liked how minimalistic yamaha and suzuki's bikes looked. They have less aero winglets ruining the looks like ducati aprilia and ktm
They are slowly ruining it.
All the aero is crap.
Same thing happenes to F1. Organizers wanted to make the sport ''safer'' and ''more competitive'', yet they managed to puch away major part of their fanbase and now they complain about not enough revenue. Guess what will happen to motoGP if the same mentality applies...
They need to remove aero for more entertain race, racer couldnt over take aggresively like old days, miss those days
Glad they’re getting rid of the shape shifting stuff & restricting the aero
we need to go back to 500cc era of the 90s…that was by far the best era ever. It was rather insanely fun watching it.
Nonsense! One or two riders leading the field by half a lap! Prove me wrong!
You were just younger and happier then.
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp agreed
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I don't think any of the current riders besides Rins and Pedrosa could handle the 500cc from the 90s
Fascinating and informative, great work 👏👍👌
A lot of this is basically BoP, but in a MotoGP specific way.
The reduced fuel capacity will do more for lowering speeds than the CCs imo. Efficiency becomes important.
Moto GP has already been destroyed by money. It will never be the same again it's actually fucked right now
Good I hope to see Yamaha and Honda on the podium for once now.
Lets hope inline 4 are competitive again with the new engine reg 🙏
They all have V4 except Yamaha.
great Video, if you need help with your footage or studio setup lemme know, id love to help make the talking head shots look even better
Thanks Leon! Feel free to send me an email!Always up for chatting about how to make the videos better
they should have gone down to the legendary racing 750cc engine capacity instead of 850cc.
When one says that a bike has higher corners speed or faster in a corner it simply means that the riders did not brake that much before the corner, ie because there was no need as the rider is talented or simply that the bike is slower and will need to brake that hard before the corner. For us deadly motorcycle plebs that simply means that on a slower bike we are not scared as much on the straights and dont brake loong before the corner, instead we might just touch the brake in comparison and just go through the corner.
What a ridiculous word salad! What does the first sentence even mean? Want to try that again.
The legendary capacity is 500cc BTW
What a word salad! What does your first sentence even mean? Want to try that again?
The legendary capacity was 500cc from 1948 to 2002 BTW
You kids are clueless on your history!
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp good luck with making a four strike engine perfor at the har level with an 500cc engine volume. 750cc is legendary because it is waha super bikes with four cylinder engines were limited to for a very long time, hence legendary. And Dorna said they wanted to be more have a bigger road bike connection, what better than to go down to 750cc engine volume. And I would chill down if I was u, old man, no need to be obnoxious. Not that I am a kid but I do wish I was one these days, I have been following motorcycle racing since at least early 90s.
@@Pillokun Your first sentence is non-sensical. And your is spelling atrocious! Heard of a spell-checker? LOL
I was the mechanic on 500cc 4-strokes in 1968. Matchless G50. Yes, I'm older than dirt!
Your "Superbikes" were not invented until 20-years later.
Super bikes with four-cylinder engines were NOT limited to 750cc for a very long time. Google Eddie Lawson's 1982 Kawasaki KZ1000R.
From 1948 until 2002 the capacity of the premier class was 500cc. Thats Legendary.
You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
Put yourself on READ ONLY mode ~ that way you won't be able to keep making a fool out of yourself!
Mmm, we'll see, the last 800 bikes were bloody awful and caused way more problems than they solved
MotoGP is about pushing the overall evolution of racing efficiency, it's not just all about power from the engine. Sometimes they restrict engine, to push the teams to develop other technology and theory to compensate the engine restriction, it's about pushing those little things that can make a huge difference. People be complaining like, the aero sucks, should be like 2T era back, electronics ruined motogp and such. Bruh, the lap times literally are getting faster and faster, the lean angle are getting crazier with these "lame" technology, and that directly contribute to how today road bikes are getting better and better overall. Don't expect motogp to be a "who can fit a bigger engine" drag racing or racing in an oval track, no, motoGP doesn't operate like that racing culture. It's not just about the straights, it's also about diving into the corners till the shoulder touches the tarmac. It's not the same, just like how nascar and soccer are not culturally and passionately the same with motogp/F1 and football. Oops lol
make them 500 cc , and no rev limit , or better, just bring back 500 two stroke .
like a race bike supposed to be , light, cheap( compared with 4stroke) , more power per cc,
a more agile bike, nicer to watch
IMO they should brong back 500cc 2 stroke engines
greenwashing would never let that happen, as great as it may be
Maybe understand the emissions regulations and what Honda stated…. Go read about it
I think changes is necessary it's being Ducati gp since 2022
Nicely done , Dan!!
Well presented
If the goal is to lower the speed of the bikes, why not just regulate the speed itself, instead of everything but the speed?
It's about pushing into a more efficient overall technology
but the challenge is to make the fastest bike with the new regulations. It's not about the speed, it's about how much can you put out while working with less.
missed out the 850's have a much tighter max bore restriction forcing the makers to build long stoke engines.
And that's a huge part of what'll make it different from the 800 era - the 800s made lots of power because they went down in stroke, not bore, from the 990s. (To massively oversimplify, bore is what limits your potential power as it's what limits airflow, a longer stroke lets you get that power at lower RPM.)
(AFAIK, the 1000 cc bore limit was selected to match the bore of the 800s, so manufacturers could make longer-stroke 800s to get a 1000 - or, roughly the same power at lower RPM. And, the 850 cc bore limit results in a stroke very close to the current 1000s, which basically means they should make less power at similar RPM.)
@@bhtooefr Indeed, the new bikes will be jump off the corner grunt machines rather than screamers.
@@bhtooefr the maximum bore is going from 81 mm to 75 mm, quite a big change.
Use longer gears?
He’s also got to remember that riders are also getting faster, more talented and more wanting to push the limot
trust me when the new rules arrive in 2027 they still will have a way to make the bike more faster than theoretically capable... engineers gonna try bend the rule without breaking it and rider will find a way to push the bike more
By reducing fuel capacity you lose 2kg. same with reducing engine size.
2027 is too late... remove ride height for 2025, restrict the aero in 2026, change the engine in 2027
Ben Spies always said if you take some performance out of the tire, the racing will be close and exciting
I don’t understand, all my crashes were in corners, like most people. So I don’t think safety is the goal with the reduced engine size.
The graph at 3:43 , it's crazy to think that Fabio Quartararo's Yamaha actually faster than Pecco's Ducati in 2023.
Yamaha actually improving from last year, but unfortunately Ducati really goes way more faster
MotoGP and F1 need to stop giving teams so many years to build the new car and bike the teams break the regs before they even hit the track
moto 2 must be 500cc supercharged twin cylinder from each manufacturer
Ducati want it to be there race only money 💰
hell nah.. it will be another woke gp like f1...
The comments are very funny
Moto go needs to change. It's currently a shit show .
great content!!!!!!!!! keep them coming please
why would i watch 2 moto2 races on sunday in 2027?
The Moto Gp handicap.
Great overview Dan👍. However, I think the recent is pretty awesome at the moment regardless of the speed and the technology. Fair enough, ban the aero as the popular opinion is that it makes overtaking more difficult...I'm not completely convinced though. Smaller engines will result in less torquey screemers again, and potentially higher corner speeds...so how safe is that? We could end up with less powerful motogp bikes than we have road bikes (Ducati v4r?)...and that would be pretty poor for the premier bike racing class.
I definitely disagree with the cc being downsized. Aero I'm in two minds about. As a biker any revolutionary designs and gadgets will eventually find it's way onto road bikes.
It's so sad that F1 doesn't follow weight limits as well as Moto GP... The F1cars should be a bit lighter and smaller each year to finally fit at least 2 cars width in Monaco :)
Anyway, great information shared here. Thanks!
Bring back 2 strokes of similar capacity that would would reduce the weight dramatically.
I'm pretty sure someone said the change to 800cc was "forever" too
You want to look at the difference between 'quick' and 'fast'. They have quite different meanings and are not interchangeable. In this video you often say fast when you should be saying quick !.
Technology is so advance that we have to make vehicles slower lol.
I'm more excited about bimotas return WSBK sadly superbikes are thinning in the market place but the next gen superbikes which are becoming exotics I find more interesting than the new 850s how do they compare to the old 800 GP BIKES
I have a idea. No Ducks. Only 4 strokes. Also, you must take 6 bikes from the actual manufacturer just like you and I can buy off the showroom floor. No altering the bikes. Just get same bikes we do and then you have 24 hours to make 2 bikes race ready.
The bikes must cost than 45,000 after the teams tinker with them for 24 hours to make the race ready.
That seems fair to me.
Ducati cup its so boring same as f1 stopped watching it bowls are more action packed😂
I tuned out of the last race in the second lap once Pecco got in front and started pulling away …🥱
As Casey Stoner said himself... they're banning the ride height device which isn't even an issue for how bad the races have been... track limit rules and others should be their priority...
Put knobby tires on the bikes. No matter what the engine, frame and rider can do, it can’t be done without the tires saying it can be done. [mic drop].
2026 might be "MADE OR BREAK" year for MotoGP.
Great video!
Make the bikes heavier. By making them even lighter they're making sure no guy weighing more than 120lbs will ever get a shot at motogp. A lot of talents going to drop out right after they hit puberty hahaha
Great, informative video with top-notch production quality. I’m surprised your channel doesn’t have more subs or views! Subbed
2 years is a while off atm
What really matters is the evolution of the bikes otherwise we would have stayed in the past era, under all these restrictions we see no more truly innovations as such in the past, the riders will develop new techniques as they did in all these years of evolution, there's really no limit to this, the most stupid regulation of all is the categorization of the bikes that punishes the most advanced ones, truly unfair
The 990s was the best era, triples, fours inline and V configuration, a V5!! And then another V5. Weight advantage for less cylinders, Different tyre manufacturers, Different ideas on aerodynamics Honda with the dirty air on the RC211V, Ducati with the slippery fairing on the desmo.
Granted the Honda dominated, but is that any different to Ducati's dominance now?
And the bikes aren't/weren't too fast, the circuits weren't designed for vehicles that fast. New circuit's are what's required, but try and get a new circuit developed and permissions for planning? Not happening.
They made a huge mistake way back when the sh!t-canned the 2-strokes.
They should have just said, "Same capacity limits (500cc), no more 2-strokes, no more than 8 cylinders, no more than 6 gears & no aero (although, I guess nobody had thought of aero back then) with the weight limit staying the same (135kg from memory)
That would have got the boffins coming up with some real prototypes & we would have seen what engineers dream about in their quiet moments...
we will see at last some proper battles
Well done getting to the 10 minute mark.
Break out the training wheels folks. Need to slow things down so the sports is more inclusive.
So they are not touching the electronics? Don't expect a big difference then.
its just sad how honda and yamaha are in rank d after being in ranks a/b (idk didnt research) a few years ago
Put them all back on 500cc twostrokes with no rider aids. Leave the fourstroke commuter bikes for WSBK.
It's this> The people who own F1 now own Motogp. They cannot leave anything alone for a single season, always changing rules and regulations. The bikes are fast, leave it alone and let them race. They use safety as an excuse, it's racing.
I am going to be watching to see what Liberty Media has in mind for the series. if and when they take control. They certainly have made some marketing improvements to F1
Get rid of electronic rider aides.
No
How about a max topspeed :D
I only wish that Motogp return to art of ride a power bike and not a technical race where pilot just to find a good bike and not to be talented, as F1.
Ngl my first rule fuck them wings limit gears and biofuels
Is the goal to slow the Bikes top speed down or the lap times? I'm confused on what we're really talking about here.
4:25 Well control it to make it better, I'll have what he's been smoking! 😂
Nice history lesson but why is changing forever something new? It changes forever virtually every year...I vote more screens at races....The fans will get more form the race weekend..
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