😲 What is happening to TRADING in ESO's next update: Gold Road [Update 42]
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2024
- Some noteworthy changes have been proposed for ESO in Update 42: Gold Road. These changes have to do with the listing and expiration timers for items and gold that are acquired through the trading system. In this video, I will summarize these changes and share a few theories about how they may affect traders and the in-game economy.
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0:00 Introduction
0:17 What is changing?
2:22 How will this affect players and the economy, if at all?
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Not bothered about store items expiring after 14 days, but the 14 day expiry on mail concerns me more. Pity they can't just be dropped into inventory or something like that.
gold should be auto-deposited in the player's bank. thats how it works for guilds, why not personal player banks?
I can't agree more. I see no great problem in listings expiring earlier, but... mail expiring in 14 days? That's way too short, I have often been away from my console longer than that for work reasons.
@@Hippo_27 yo but then the Courier dude will lose his job
Except as someone who has been abused by the 30 day Mail expiration this is refreshing. You don't get to hold my items for 30 days before deciding to pay me for them and will have to pay up more promptly. I'm sure this factor is a part of. Their decision here.
A lot has been changing. There is a lot less gatekeeping and I personally find these new changes are refreshing and looking forward to a more productive way to sell. Items.
@@BattleHookTV Not sure if this would be a good idea or a bad idea, but you could try flooding them with COD emails to fill up their inbox. However my concern with doing that is if ZOS says it is against the TOS for some reason.
Would be good to have a 'sent items' folder, and be able to recall unclaimed COD emails at any time.
This is just punishing people for going on vacation and not taking a gaming laptop with them. Now, instead of loading up all my traders before I go, I’ll be clearing the whole lot out
Imagine those on console😂 that’s me 😪
Hey, a positive to take away from this issue for you. Is that I have never been able to take vacations in my entire adult life which would make this a problem for me. xD Your problems seems better than mine even though ill be here to get my mail every day. LOL
@@lordsuji how old are you dude, vacation is a must nowadays
@@NeroLung been working since I was 15, and im 35 now.
Its been a long 20 years bruh lol
@@lordsuji shit man, that’s life right 😂 work to pay taxes then die😂😂 we gotta break the pattern
While it won’t impact me (I generally re-list even rare items after a week as the FOMO is higher on newly listed items) this sucks for more casual traders.
As for what this means for the economy, I honestly can’t tell if this will drive down prices with people trying for a faster sale or drive them up because less people are listing on traders.
I'm less concerned abt how this will impact my trading (as my personal experience matches the data cited by the devs) and way more concerned abt how this will impact me using my friends to abuse the mail system on behalf of my treasure map addiction 🥲🥲 stackable treasure maps when?? 😭😭
Haha yeah that will definitely affect me as well, as I also like to use the mail system to hang onto items 😅 Stackable maps would be a dream 🙏
Just cleared out my mass of maps, excluding all the ones I gave away from the excess. And it reconfirmed that its not worth. Like, just going and farming chests in a zone is far more profitable and fast and I can choose the higher reward zones to do so in. (If I wanted to treasure hunt, instead of the even better ways to make gold) I think ill just give away every map which isnt worth 5k-100k from now on.
Oh thank MaMommyGodAzura, someone explaining all these changes in a single bite-sized 6 minute vid. Much Confusion Saved ~❤
I'm glad to hear that this vid was helpful!
i have not been doing my homework on upcoming changes so this was really helpful, thanks Arttea :)
No problem :D
As a person who primarily specializes in high value, low volume items; I despise the change to the guild store listing length
If the ESO community didnt make trade in chat such a taboo I dont think that would be as much of an issue. Avoiding tax's on items worth millions via chat trades is also very alluring and a lot more worth it than all the various smaller listings. Players seeking niche very expensive items could easily focus that directly at chat trades.
This change will affect the "bad" trader spots more than the good ones. In Craglorn, Deshan and co. Items already sell realy fast, while i sometimes have to list my item twice at a 25% TTC/MM discount in for example murkmire. We will probably see even more traders and guilds compete for the top spots than we see now which is not necessary a good thing.
Totally agree. This change will hurt the off locations, up the price to stay in a good location, and cost us more gold to list items as things will expire faster. We need one trader location so we can all list and compare there. Other games can do this so why not eso?
@@vendettaworm6185 There are massive negatives with central trade systems, not just positives.
I think it really comes down to gameplay perspective, like if you dont LOVE trading and seeking out good deals and the mad dash/competitive thrifting type of play. Then I totally see why a central market would only seem like a positive. But for those of us who do enjoy those mechanics, I realllyyy appreciate ESO not just being another copy cat simplified clone. And I think they should just keep adding more traders at a higher rate than they have.
A middle-ground they could land on too, but I dont know if they ever will. IS they could make all the traders in a shared location, share a search pool. So if you go to Mournhold and search the main Hub trader, or maybe turn on an option to do so. It would access all the items listed on every trader within that towns proximity. Or maybe the whole zone.
@@vendettaworm6185 True that. I'd rather ESO just use a universal market board or something. I have grown to hate the ridiculously obsolete guild trader system, and just don't bother using it anymore. It makes Guilds super toxic, or you have to basically devote a hefty amount of time you could spend gaming, farming crap to quick sell in order to make expensive dues, rather than playing the game for fun. I don't work over 40 hours a week just so I can play a game that makes me feel like I'm still on the clock. Both of these things have in the past caused me to quit playing ESO for months. So far I've had to quit five trade guilds, and three non trade guilds that wanted a guild trader all of a sudden, all because they became extremely toxic with guildmasters flaming the Message of the Day with passive aggressive, and some not so passive aggressive, vitriol because some people in the guild aren't managing to pay 100,000 gold a week for a good trader spot. Only the best guilds get the good spots, and every other guild gets crap in locations no one ever goes to, because they are too isolated, or inconvenient to go to. Trading should not be tied to guilds. Guilds can't even be fun anymore, because everyone wants a guild trader, can't afford a guild trader, and then gets toxic. And there's no consistency if you're not in one of the expensive major trading guilds, because you're guild trader just bounces around from convenient location, to inconvenient location, to no trader at all for a week, and now with your items vanishing in 14 days, it'll be even worse, because your guild could lose their trade location, or trader entirely for one to two weeks, due to lack of funding, and you're just going to be SOL. The Guild trader system is probably the only thing I truly hate about ESO, and it's never made sense. Pretty much every other Massive MMO has an actual trading system, that doesn't revolve around tying people into guilds, and unreliable trade options. They don't waste time with a mail system either. You trade, you get your item, and your gold, and done, none of this I bought something, and now I got to wait for it to show up in the mail after I hop a wayshrine to get the mail to load, then open the mail and hassle hassle, waste of time. Sorry. That got a little ranty.
My personal issue with that change, is that currently im in a military service, so I have sometimes unexpected abscences from the game, and while some can be just about a day, it also can go up a month or more. So it basically unsafe for me to sell my stuff anymore.
Now imagine people with harder jobs, that all they want is to chill after work-day in game sometimes
I mean, I get your point of view, but I feel like the game really doesn't have to revolve around the few people with jobs like yours, it's quite obvious they will prefer catering to the majority
Thank you for service! I agree, was absent for more than a month from civilisation and when returned a lot of my listings were deleted, for me, even 30 day timer was not enough in that case. This is a predatory mechanic to get you log in as often as possible. Though it may not be a problem when you have a routine, but for some people it makes harder to enjoy elder scrolls universe.
@@slay7584 Nonsense, anyone that doesn't have video games as their only hobby, and specifically ESO among those, will have away times far longer than that. Life happens for everyone and when people are short on time, time-consuming entertainment stuff usually gets put on hold first.
Interesting, I wonder how much the "improvements in server performance" will benefit players... You know... To justify this change. I sure hope to have a way smoother playing experience after the patch... Or something, dunno
Probably less laggy mail that you need to teleport to force to be delivered, the ghost mails bug or the mail stuck in limbo ones. Or 'I will load whenever I want this mail for you to claim/read it' issue.
That's really interesting, wonder why listings and mail would take up that much more power if listed for half the time. I have yet to touch the trading system since I just play every once in a while and am focusing on doing the content in order.
Well, its literally half. So whatever the data upkeep it is currently, will be halved from all the people who leave items and mail listed nearly the full 30 all the time. Its thousands and thousands of bits of data for the server to track, as small of space each one takes up. It adds up.
I just hope I will see this "server performance" out of this update
Makes me wish listing fees were proportionally changed based on the days listed… oh well 🤷🏻♂️
If the majority of items are sold within a week how can the fraction of items that stay longer be such a burden for the server performance? 🤔
I'm not one of the devs ofc, but my understanding of that statement is that there isn't necessarily a tiny fraction of items that are sticking around on the guild traders for so long and that this small amount of items is what is nuking performance, but rather that out of ALL of the items that are listed, most of the ones that WILL ACTUALLY BE SOLD, tend to sell within a week. So there are still "a lot" of listings just chilling out there for items that are not going to sell; if that makes sense,
@@Arttea I can see the reasoning in that but at least in my experience highest value items are the ones taking longer to sell, probably because there are far less buyers for them.
@@isidroramos1073 that’s true, but there are also *a lot* of listings for items that happen to be priced poorly (as in, they’re priced too high for what they’re really worth) as well as listings for items that just aren’t desired (search for all items and then adjust the “time” setting so that you are shown items that are expiring soon to see what I mean) and that’s probably what the devs are looking to sort out to alleviate strain.
Wait and see ESO plus gonna have new perk of "Listing item now last for 30 days" and mail too lol
@@DeryckTV don't give them any ideas
If this improves performance this is a trade-off i can deal with but the vaporizing mail bit seems steep.
I was unaware of this. Thank you very much for keeping us informed.
Increases the stress on inventory management in a game with paid inventories, proceeds to not increase inventory limit to compensate for this downside. Lovely.
I'm in 5 trading guilds and I keep all my slots filled and I can tell you if something doesn't sell by 7 days it's not going to because others have listed it lower and I need to take it down and relist it. So this 14 day thing isn't that big of a deal.
What bothers me about it is it's gonna cost the same to list so if they're gonna halve the time the listing will be up they need to halve the listing fee.
As for people who take frequent breaks from the game or their jobs interfere, just pull your listings down and gather your mail before you have to go out of the game for a bit.
As someone who’s sold hundreds of millions of gold worth of stuff in eso; this does not match my experience with the specialized furnishing, motifs and rgold gear I make most of my gold with
The gold from sales should automatically go into your inventory!
I love your videos, thank you for all the info you provide.
Yeah no problemo! Thanks for watching
Thanks for this update. I don't think I'm going to change anything except possibly lowering the price of any ultra rare things I find a bit...but that's .01% of what I sell. Even the expensive things I sell seem to be gone in 14 days but I try to be aggressive in my pricing.
I just opened UA-cam and saw a bunch of ESO youtubers talking about the same topic "Trading in ESO," but obviously I chose yours because you are the funniest ESO content UA-camr I've ever seen! Keep the excellent work and humor! You're definitely highlighting yourself among the others! :D
I appreciate that - thank you 🙏
They need to cut down the listing fee and taxes for this change.
That would be very based if true, but my guess is it's not gonna happen because the listing fee gold sink is important for the health of the economy bla bla bla ;p The taxes don't necessarily need to be cut because that comes into effect after you sell something.
Welp my extra storage space is ruined! This will also be very annoying since I mainly sell furnishing plans and rare motifs as well as crafted gear. Thanks for the heads up on this, I don't bother with the PTS and instead just get update info from your channel. Time to bug my rl friend who never plays to just hop on and use his characters as a mule for all my motifs and furnishing plans I want to sell in the future so I have room in bank and storage chests for all my gear sets that I switch between on all my toons!
It's telling, to me, what this tells us about the Devs for this game. Specifically, that they don't actually play, or at least don't play enough to fully engage with the systems they are modifying. As is commonly discussed, high value low volume items take a while to shift, but also? Smaller guilds also have less exposure and often take longer to sell the same items, even at lower mark downs. I'm in a couple of middle of the road reasonably well placed guilds, but my main social guild tends to have a trader in a more remote area. Items placed in that remote trader for 20% less than the same item in the more popular locations can take significantly longer to move.
I've had stacks of gold mats sell on week three, before, in those remote traders, just as an example. I've had hundreds of thousands of gold from listings sitting in the 20-29 day range. Millions, over the time I've played this game.
maybe they should lower listing fees by a percent or two.
I definitely wouldn't be opposed to having them decrease the listing fees by 50% given the fact that we have less than half of the amount of days that we used to have to sell an item, but at the same time, the guild store system contains one of the most significant gold sinks in the game, which is widely seen as being healthy for the state of the in-game economy. So the devs may not want to mess with that too much.
It should be 53%. If they are lowering the listing time by 53%, they need to lower the cost by 53%.
You really made me look up the price for quartz....
I’m hoping that they will eventually get rid of guild traders and just give us a market board.
Seeing Skinny's vid on scribbling and this one is pretty much one in the same where they are pushing on players to stay active in the game, i.e., making Papa Microsoft's investors' wallets bigger.
They are just using the server performance as polish to make it look less obvious.
You could also say it is a lot like other games that continue to add more content, which adds to the complexity of the game and this is the easiest thing to "fix".
If they add another class/race and add more character slots, you'll know they were full of 💩on this "problem".
WoW auctions have always been maximum one week and nobody blew their top.
As for keeping items in the mail: It was never supposed to be used as free storage.
We traders will adapt.
I feel like this has to do more with hoarding..when I run out space i start RTS mailing things between acts and listing things in traders at questionable prices just to have a place to stash things..its a vicious cycle buying/ making/earning things I know I don't have the room for but it my precious and I wants it.
First time watching one of your videos in a few years. Hope all is well
The other mail changes are mostly fine but big downgrade for the sales specifically. I don't sell mats, so many of my sales are well past 14 days. It's not gonna be fun still having to pay trader fees and having to relist items twice as often :( (for instance I pay 10k + 25k a week in console coins for my 2 traders) It's just gonna lead to more and more undercutting and less gold made. And another thing to micromanage along with the scribing grind.
Ty for the info, I will share the video with my not as chronically on the forums and UA-cam friends 🙏
The only way I can see the AH changes reducing strain on the database, is for it to have a chilling effect on players' desire to list items. Otherwise, everyone would still be listing the same stuff, just twice as often. Personally it won't affect me much, but I feel bad for the long sale listings & the remote guild traders.
The mail change, however... whoo boy, that will absolutely ease the strain. I know so many people who use their mailbox as a makeshift storage system. One of my guildmates didn't check their mail during the recent Mayhem event. They literally had *hundreds* of Rewards of the Worthy boxes clogging their inbox by the end. However, I think Guild Trader mail (both gold from sales and unsold items) should remain at 30 days.
If having items listed for 30 days is causing server performance issues. How's adding a scribing system going to help? How is adding anything of that nature going to help?
It's like they keep saying we need to clear all the junk out of the house and for every box of junk they take out they bring in three more And then they wonder why nothing changes
I was thinking about something similar myself - I'm not very knowledgeable on this topic so take what I say with a grain of salt, but perhaps they are making these adjustments to improve performance in light of the introduction of the new scribing system. Perhaps these adjustments are needed so that scribing can work more smoothly when it is available in the next update.
@Arttea honestly that was sort of my thought. They basically triage data to make way for new systems like scribing.
I’m so happy I wasn’t the only person thinking this. But all knowing ZoS knows how they’re going to “manage” the servers. Just like they know seemingly meaningless names are defaming. I had two I was forced to rename(yup I’m still salty about that). I didn’t know Fixthebrokengame and Fixmygame was defaming if it’s true. 🤷🏼♂️
@@nickp1167 not defamation if the accusations are true 🤣. I've got a montage of performance issues in my clips right now
I love how they are willing to do anything in their power to increase the server performance, except the one thing that would actually help
What do you think would be the one thing that could actually help server performance?
@@Arttea To improve the servers, but that would cost money. This is why they made all those changes to cyr too a while back, then they realised it doesn't help so they decided to take them back
@@user-me7iw6ft8z No it won't, doing that will delay the need to optimize things. Optimization give better results than upgrading the hardware.
@@user-me7iw6ft8zDidn’t they just do server hardware upgrades in 2022-23?
@@TatewakiGaming I don't think that was enough
ty for vid i had no idea but havent traded for a while. def agree with the idea this may lower prices by creating higher competition and pressure. sucks having to pay relisting fee but if its a high price item would pay off. anyone who isnt actively playing shouldnt be posting to a trader. most guilds kick u after no activity for a few weeks anyway
They should just review all those reward-containers and the handling of those. They could all just be stacked and only on peeking into RNG is triggered and this specific container would than become "unique" and blocks one inventory slot on its own. Just think of all the collected mails for event-containers, daily rewards, transmutation geodes....
What I wondered as well on how they checked the selling time span in detail. Have effects of losing trader spots, high/low frequency location etc. been taken into account...
I think the listing time they don't need to change as this is a database-consumption that is pretty much assessable by calculating max members per guild, available trader spots and potential changes of guilds for trader spots. That should give you a pretty accurate number on how large the listing item database could grow to.
They can remove a whole bunch of stuff to increase server performance but this is a HUGE start to my abilities actually triggering
Great video! I think you may be wrong about the conspiracies though. Why spend the time developing a compelling gold sync when I can just push this one button?
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Well, that kills my trading style! Which is extremely lazy. I generally only list on Sundays, when I have all day to mirco-manage stuff.
I do however clear out my email daily, if I don't want to mess with the items, I just grab them on a character I don't use often. That part sucks, but I can deal with it.
Two possible outcomes:
-Higher prices for casual things, mats, etc because things get lost in mail and people trade less
-lower pricew for expensive things because they want things Sold guaranteed
Probably both
Reduce server strain? How about let's make more people log in everyday to check on their items.
I really hope that this change with the traitors and the mail system will help the performance of the game especially in cyrodiil sometimes I will get a reward of the Worthy in a keep fight and get a spinning wheel of death🔃 when I come out of the load screen I am completely dead with somebody that's like a level 30 teabagging me it is the most awesome feeling😂
LMAO I think a lot of us that pvp can relate to that experience For me, RoTW mails don't cause any issues, but I'll usually get a crazy load screen around certain areas (usually right outside Sejanus, on the way to BRK) and then after a minute or so I'll come back from the load screen and be met with 12 players all teabagging my character's corpse :')
I'm glad it's not just me☺ but from what I hear PC is better than console as I play on console😒 I really don't want to start the game over again from the beginning. I feel like I've just put too much effort into what I've got.
Mafia! i knew it!
Meanwhile in GW2 I have items listed for years. Also they can sit on your retrieval box for years (?)
Evidently they gave no thought to the fact that some ESO players have chronic health issues, which can lead to sudden, unexpected away time from the game. Yes, sometimes for more than 14 days. This makes it hard to sell items, so I might just get out of trading all together. In situations like this, 30 days to list and 30 days to claim is entirely reasonable. Never had a problem with that, but I can very easily see having major problems with a 14 day limit to claim item or gold. They can't talk about "accessibility" while making decisions like this.
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if they will make the world revolve around every problem that exists in the world then the game will just stop existing
What I've observed on PC EU is that material prices have gone down significantly. Sales overall are slow. I think what happened is: there are less new players around. Veteran players already have stockpiles of dreughwax and perfect roe and whatever else. And they're all used to selling those for income and to meet trading guild requirements. So there is a race to the bottom with prices falling across the board significantly.
ALSO when they made selling crowns harder with the gifting restriction it's no longer easy for a new player to spent $10 and get their hands on millions of gold to spend on the guild traders. So there are less people buying a legendary deadly arm crops for 550K gold now. Basically the ESO PC EU market is now focused towards selling niche rare items to veteran players because new players either don't exist or have no gold to spend.
My question is, what are they going to say when the servers still suck after they make all these changes?
I don't even know grander scale of things. But main system was performing horrendously for years by now. So I am not surprised they FINALLY decided to make changes to sort this out. I also don't know why youtuber didn't mentioned they are finally moving hireling letters to lorebooks section to preserve them.
I don’t mind perhaps lower prices in general and more wanting to play the game. In login.
What's the reason the items can't just automatically go into some kind of inventory?
Is the listing fee halved because if not that's crap . Imagine the Fees you have to pay on one of those huge ticket items , now costing you twice as much to list in the same time .
im actually really upset about the 14 days or lose the mail instead of going to your bank or something. I normally play for like a week then leave town for a month or so and collect gold when i get back. Im already on the fence about this up coming expansion from a pvp point of view so i may just take a long break until so gets their stuff together. Lot of good games coming out anyway atm
This will only work if the items returned after 2 weeks are not immediately re-listed.
I have no skin in this game as I'm not too deep into ESO and thus never use the traders, but 30 days is A LOT of time and even 14 days is insane in my eyes. Coming from WoW 48 hours is what I'm used to and while in FFXIV listings never expire you need to be updating them at least every couple days anyway or else it's never getting sold.
I am more concerned when this will hit the servers. There is a mail for me on pc EU that never reached me. It contained 3.5 mil gold and about 168 tempering alloys, because mail is very buggy, the mail never reached me. It got stuck on unclaimable limbo and normally would be returned to sender after 30 days. Now if they put this new change .... it will get automatically deleted without any of us capable of claiming it.
I never understood the trading system. Are there dozens (or hundreds) of different guild trade stores each with their own unique set of sales, or is there one server-wide market like any other MMO and these different guild traders are just hubs to get to the same market?
Have you seen those little market stalls around the world with NPCs that have "" above their heads? Those are known as guild traders, and they are purchased on a weekly basis (via a blind bidding system) by guilds so that players can access their guild's store. As you mentioned, there are hundreds of trading guilds with their own guild stores that are unique to their guild. We don't have a single place where we can access a server-wide market; instead, we have to go up to different guild traders to browse the wares listed by members of the guild who purchased the trader.
So, for example, if I went to the Tamriel Trade Secrets guild trader in Alinor, I would only have access to the TTS guild store, which would be populated by items from TTS guildies. I would not have access to any other guild's store at that trader.
@@Arttea Ok that makes more sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain!
I clear my mail on 9 characters every day so I'm good thanks for heads up though ;)
vendor everything, got it :) - the performance lie was one that Bethesda/FO76 LOVED to use. This is a strategy to get players to not have long breaks from the game, I am sure some idiot thinks this will improve player involvement but it will just give people a reason to stop coming back. Glad i played before they changed it, $7.50 for the game and 3 months of play, not a bad exchange, time for a new game.
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Demonitized just like that 😩
Well I’ll have to not put stuff in if I know I’m going out of town. Definitely don’t want to use trader who charges dues
The gold should go directly to our bank if we can't claim it
Zo$ is doubling down on their FOMO tactics to increase active player count. Even the Scribing system shows this with it's "randomly rotating" bullcrap and time-gated grind. You don't just go 10 years into a game's life and suddenly decide the database needs some trimming like this.
To me it seems more like a cost-saving move rather than a "server improving" one. Maybe server improving as in they have to spend less server load on this so they can downscale the already struggling hamsters to 1. 1 hamster costs less than 2.
With the added benefit of creating FOMO passively. win-win for the paycheck of the top brass :)
Shame we as the players wont see anything at all from it, except downgrades :))))
IMO, the main focus/goal of them making these changes are to further pull gold out from the players. Making players relist more often (pulling gold from the players) and having them login more frequently to collect their gold, else they lose it.
They know what they're doing and "server performance" is just a cover. Again, just my opinion.
Guild Wars 2 doesn't seem to have an issue having player list items on their AH for years and years without needing to auto remove it, else "bad for servers". I know, different game and all, but also...ANet is a smaller company and figured it out, sooooooo.....
Overall, change only hurts the players and they're providing nothing to counter this change.
I would even hazard a guess that GW2's AH database may be larger than ESO's as their AH system is accessible for the entire playerbase, unlike ESO's more restrictive/competitive (and frustrating) trader system
I disagree with your take, simply because mail system in pc EU and pc NA ESO has been severely underperforming. And issues kept piling as years went on. Ghost mails, 30 day limbo stuck mails, not loading content mails, lags a plenty so you need to teleport to force it out.
Honestly,it punish the people like me who can going at hospital at any moment for a long time cause they have severe diseasse 😔.
fortnight in my eso timers
Completely irrelevant question but what reshade preset/settings are you using?
I use this reshade preset: www.nexusmods.com/elderscrollsonline/mods/144
@@Arttea hero 🔥
the 14 day limit on mail is kinda cringe
Super cringe bro
I know maplestory art when I see maplestory art. 👀
The artist that drew my ESO character was heavily inspired by the iconic maplestory chibi style!
Thanks for vid, Arttea. I stopped playing due to the massive console needed changes. It was terrible to have to spend tons of online time to be competitive in making gold for things i wanted. As a console player it was bad. When this update happens its going to be even worse in my opinion. If anyone else is a console player, im suggesting you stop playing and try a new game. :)
All my items are shit
Wow. I am not one for spoilers so I don't data mine watch much but damn. This is NOT a good change.
ZOS really out here taking away listing and expiration days from us to save money instead actually making their servers better without penalizing the consumer. It would have been nice if they would let us sell more wares per guild trader (60 instead of 30) to at least sell more in the shorter time frame, but i could see them down the road cutting that down from 30 to 20 wares per guild trader, just to save more money on making server performance "Better". For me this probably won't affect me much, but I'm just putting it out there that these changes seems like a cop out on actually making their servers better at the expense of the consumer.
Just oing some mental wandering here...but...i list 30 items for 30 days. Say half sells 1st week...list 15 more...ill still always have 30 items listed, sucking data. Doesnt matter if it is on a 14day or 30day rotation...and actually, faster turnover means system has to update with the new items more often. Seems like no gain, and maybe even a loss. For the mail, sure, i can see a benefit. Hurts me and my map hoard, but, def better for data
I like the 14 days timers. But I am a nut about getting my mail. I agree that anyone who is gone from the game can run into trouble and at times being away is unavoidable. Removing items will work if you have advance warning but that is not always the case.
Yeah I'm a bit of a nut about retrieving my mail too lmao. The new expiration timers for sales and items won't be affecting me personally, as I am a fairly active player/trader who doesn't *usually* sell a lot of slow-moving items, but I've already heard from some of my friends that play and trade on a more casual basis (or who prefer to sell expensive items that don't sell very quickly) that this is gunna be a bit of a pain in the ass for them, unfortunately 😅
Im buh he she me, buh
well said 👏
If it makes my ping better I'm al for it 🤣
I thought that mail system counter doesn't start until you log in. So if you had an item sell or expire, the timer doesn't start until you login after the item sells or expires. Did that change?
This was mentioned in the video (and in the patch notes):
"The expiration timer for most mail types does not initiate until the mail is received while your character is logged in. There are, however, several exceptions where the timer begins when the mail is sent". One of those exceptions is: "Guild Trader mail - Includes item purchased, item sold, kiosk bids, etc." (quoted parts from the patch notes)
forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/656454/pts-patch-notes-v10-0-0
@@Arttea Yes, I posted just before I saw that at the end of the video. That is frustrating, but I typically log in daily for the rewards so it shouldn't be an issue.
EverQuest 2 has the best auction feature. Or Broker as it's called. You put something up, set the price and leave it. It has no expiration date so even if you are away for months you will still be able to have it sold. I recently logged in to EQ2 in the first time in forever and saw that an item had sold for 550,000 platinum. My character had 90 000 plat last time I logged in before that...
THREE FIDDY
Wish they would triple all gold mat drop rates on pcna so that the market can finally crash and the world could heal lol
Won't affect me all that much. I already reset my items on sale once a week so I can redo my pricing to keep it competitive. Some folks in my trading guild are a little salty, but they're mostly the buy low sell high folks who have 4 guild traders full of listings
If its because the items don't sell then why change the time to claim items from the mail...
The proposed changes for the 14 day mail timers are not because of the rate at which items typically sell in guild stores; those are entirely different concepts. The devs are just changing **mail timers** for performance reasons, AND they are changing the **guild trader listing timers** for performance reasons as well, but not because there is any correlation between the two.
@@Arttea got ya. 👍
30 day mailbag is justified and 14 day guild trader is justified but not 14 day mailbag.
Just my luck: the only year I want to take a 3 weeks vacation instead of two and I will have to delete all my listings from the store otherwise I might loose them :( I can't see any positive sides to this at all, it feels like an additional task to keep track of, making the game more of an obligation than entertainment :(
This is pretty annoying. I'm not a big trader, but petty changes like this tend to add up over time, and lead me to abandon (another) game.
They can't stop bots and make new better content now they force use to grind 24/7.
Lol 14 days when order mmorpg don't have any restrictions at all. Gg
Haha why artea chibi looks so funny ?
What’s wrong with it? 😅
The listing timer I'm fine with, but the mailbox is absolutely insane, borderline making me want to unsub my eso+
The most important takeaway I got from this is WHAT IS THAT OUTFIT?!?! :) The robe-looking thing with the belt?? #fashionisendgame
Major L on their part. I understand 14 days limit for selling, but 14 days to claim your items / gold? Some people go on vacation for awhile or things happen that could prevent claiming like a serious outage or computer / software breaking problem. The devs didn't take any of this into account it feels; I keep seeing the devs constantly making bad decisions and it's been killing my hopes for the game to thrive. Absolute L.
Sooo... you cannot go on a 2 weeks abroad trip without access to a computer. So typical United States :P
Guild traders are getting nerfed!
Would be a whole lot better if they would just give us centralized trading which would solve all of these primitive issues... 🤦🏾
I see this has good news. A sign that the game is strong and the player base has grown to the point that they need to implement changes to reduce server load.
Yeah, that's BS. Especially the gold being there for only 14 days as well. Here's an idea: Just add the gold to the existing gold stack! I don't trust ESO one bit. This is a veiled attempt to force more engagement from the players with the game and it actually makes me want to play the games LESS!
If it is possible for gold to immediately go into a player's stash after a sale, that would be super ideal. That way there isn't any excess mail causing strain on the database, and the players receive their gold without any issue. I do wonder why this option hasn't been explored.
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they keep making all these pointless changes claiming it's to improve server performance.... let's ask the pvp players if any of the previous changes they've made using this excuse have improved server performance.