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Paul Daniels is the bloke that makes openboardview & flexbv5, it's really cool watching him troubleshoot macs
I like it. Not a lot, but I like it.
@@D4RKFiB3R Unlike Louis Rossmann, Paul has a computer science & electrical engineering degree and his skills show for it. TheCod3r also one not ever qualified pulls off some bullshit BGA repairs.
It's upon the individual at the end of the day. If you can make his software better; Go for it!
@@D4RKFiB3R ha, came to make a similar comment 😂
@@TradieTrev It was a joke :D
Paul Daniels is also the name of a well known British Magician who had a long running TV show from the late 70's. onwards.
"You'll like this... not a lot, but you'll like it!" was his famous catchphrase.
@@D4RKFiB3R damned Brits! ;)
Somebody's earned their Soldering Skill badge...
LVL 100 Soldering achieved
I dont even know how you would do it and ive been soldering for quite awhile, super micro tip maybe but I doubt it
nevermind he prob used hot air and just pushed it in
@@adairjanney7109No I think you were right the first time. Hot air would be too risky with all the other wires nearby.
I've done this level of soldering before. It's time consuming but easier than you'd expect. I use a cheap usb microscope and a regular needle tip iron - it doesn't matter that the needle tip is bigger than what you're soldering so long as it's small enough that it doesn't hit neighbouring pads.
I wouldn't recommend the usb microscope though, it makes it much harder than necessary. I'm just too cheap to get the proper tool. I went to an expo and saw the Mantis stereoscopic microscopes... MIND BLOWING! If I was doing it more regularly I'd get one of them.
He's got a black cord from the solderjitsu
"Share the warez" brought a tear to my eye X')
Seed till you bleed
kn0wl3dge is p0w3r
I saw the thumbnail and said out loud "no way did someone logic analyse an entire Switch".
I'll never forget Louis Rossman for introducing me to OpenBoardView, and Paul Daniels for making it. Absolute saints of the repair industry (not to downplay any other contributors, those two were just the first to get me into it)
I wouldn’t mind if someone were to enlighten me with finding graphics card schematics. Having to deal with Russian forums is getting real old.
So they do exist?
Northwestrepair here on Y T. He has a shared drive in his description.
What Russian forums?, I can read Russian (using Google translate)
Northwestrepair has them
@@littleboot_ vlab is the primary resource I used over here years. It’s hit and miss.
"Paul Daniel's amazing software" - Louis Rossman
a french guy made a portable xbox 360, and he manually sanded down each layer of the motherboard to do that.
@millomaker
@@Anthony-qy6qo yeah, i forgot to put his channel
1900 wires? Ah, just another day in the office. :)
Should a hell exist, my task would be to solder 1900 wires, absolutely impressive work, great Video!
……with solder that won’t wet the joints……..
Well, nice to see my software being shown over here, and I noticed too that the Appleschematic place also has been using my software for their image dumps.
Hello "Recessim" too; interesting format style for the video - nicely done.
I'm working on a new mode of working for boardviews in FlexBV that'll let you build boardviews, though realistically I find it's probably still just as quick to get skilled up on things like KiCAD and generate the schematic + part layout ( you don't need to lay out the routes, just so long as the pins are connected to nets ) .
Hi Paul, I know your name from hearing it on Lewis Rossmann's channel, he likes to give you due credit 🙂
@@Steven-hq3go In the older videos, I think you mean "Likes to yell at me". He was a very good software tester, would always find the most annoying issues to show a million people.
@@pldaniels Ah sorry to hear that, I always remember for me it being in a positive light. Maybe he caused more work for you but it improved your software.
@@Steven-hq3gooh no, he was always being a bit tongue-in-cheek / facetious, it was all good 👍
They can sell the iphone ones because they did their own file. If they borrowed the apple file they would be down on hours. Check up on apple's use of DHS airport police to... enforce their trademarks. It's interesting and eye opening in multiple ways.
Louis Rossmann uses that BoardView software to view Apple schematics during his repair videos.
I was about to comment about the same thing
"Share da WaRez!" cracked me up in this video. :D
The switch lite board view helped me SO MUCH a few days back. Was so much easier than flicking through layers on balika.
Just found your channel a few days ago and I have loved every video so far
This is a super cool format. I really like the way you've made it work. Very cool.
There have been some boards with densities approaching 30 copper layers...like Sun or SGI CPU and backplane boards.
I love the suit-and-tie aesthetics of this channel 😂
Love the channel. great content and nice vids.
Wow! These Reverse Engineers should receive awards for that insanely tedious work.
They will. Government agencies love these skills
@@HylianmonkeysBut Nintendo...?
@@Brahvim lol what about it?
Gerber file viewers have always been part of the release tool process. You need to sanity check the designer's "screen" matches the final production gerbers. Every PCB house uses these to evaluate the fab for manufacturability (DFM) with design rule files specific to their process, capability, robotics, etc. They also use it to generate fixturing for flying probe and ICT. Securing production files is quite a Don Quixote-esque endeavor. On one hand you want them secured on the other a whole army of people, potentially across multiple vendors need to have them to do their jobs. And yes espionage is very very common and with alarming efficiency. Your gerbers may be in the hands of a competitor before the first fabs roll off the assembly line. Blockchain is starting to be applied to Supply Chains to at least track who may have had access.
Just obfuscate it with auto-routing :D
Introducing the world's largest JTAGulator lol. All I can say is that person has a lot of patience.
3 weeks soldering job
😅 I've heard stories of people rubbing off my crown layers with just a light abrasive of water and a fingerprint and taking close up microscopic photos
Nice lab and office setup 😊
This guy must have 267 little black cue cards on his floor 🤣
Just one... that he picks up and throws over and over.
Probably used a CNC grinder. Can grind incredibly tight tolerances they could take off a thousandths each time.
Doesn't have to be CNC. With a manual surface grinder in high school, my task was to grind a part to within 3/10 of a thou.
@@indignasmr7379 true, but us kids are lazy! :D
that is wild, superhuman work
The crossfades on the cuts made me think I was watching some AI shenanigans for a minute
great video as always
Dude, how are you managing to look at the camera with one eye, and read the script from the telepromt with the other? :)
Umm nope! When I got my formal electronics training, wire wrapping was the way to go and that pick of a thousand wires brought back my PTSD of wire wrapping lol. Another great vid HASH - thanks.
Yea, wire wrapping… Heaven forbid you nick one of the wires when stripping it!
I like this specific thing, I'm gonna share it!
@@Willam_J @recessim A little background: I went to high school in teh Sierra mountains in California. During my Junior and senior year, 2 times a week and every other weekend I drove down to Roseville after school to get taught in electronic engineering by the engineers that designed the original HP 9000 mini mainframes. When I moved out to Texas in 83, I signed up to go to ITT Tech, back before all of the scandal's hit. My teacher was an electronics engineer at Compaq (now HP). So several of my projects at HP and ITT were still wirewrapped , including those damn 7400 series sockets with the 2 inch long leads lol. But even before that, I got my general class ham license at age 12 so RF was always in my blood and during my adult career that was my primary focus, up to and including working with the first cable modem systems in Houston that had the land line returns. So everything that HASH does, I absolutely love. But back to my original point: I still have my tool box with all of my tools, plus discreet components, a few 6502's and 8080's, as well as 555's and 556's. My final project was an expansion board for an Apple ][+ what would allow you to generate speech from text. Lets see if this link to the pics will work: photos.app.goo.gl/2GD7MWQpcPbQ2Q9i6 Sorry for rambling but it brings back a lot of great memories.
@@ChrisMuncy "Sorry for rambling "
@@daveogfans413 thanks brother.
Thanks for sharing 👍
Nice video. Would have been nice to talk a bit about what practical application (if any) that are enabled from having this data
You ever ripped off a trace ?
Or had a short on a chip ?
Saved my ass about a million times
I'd like to find automotive board views for some modules I want to modify, but it seems even 15 year old Ford information is hard to get,
Did it this with the Nintendo Wii too, it's incredible😮😅
Does that mean we can produce these products for ourselves now?
@@philiplubduck6107 not quite, but this can help emulation tons and tons.
@@philiplubduck6107no, but it means we can repair them now
@@philiplubduck6107 Theoretically if one had the means.
Oh Jesus that morph effect instead of jumpcut was freaky
Sonic!? Is that you? 😂
This is mind-blowing
2:41 bro let the intrusive thoughts win fs
Hmm I wonder if this exists for the MSI GF65 laptop series?
Both the power and HDMI on mine are flaky a f and if I could fix it myself, I would.
2:31 when you leave your board in the fridge for too long
whats the equipment to the left of the scope?
That's a madness 💀
To RE a board like that, you use a laser to burn off board to copper and polish. Then you etch off the copper and laser again and repeat. Scan it into a CAD progran and modify as you see fit. ❤
very cool!
I work at an Apple Authorized repair center, and a common breakage we experience is accidentally damaging the volume buttons while removing display adhesives, preventing the device from going into diagnostics mode (holding volume up + down while connected to power during boot). Having the pinouts for the volume button flexes to bypass the buttons would be really helpful but I wouldn’t even know where to start. Could anyone direct me on where to look? Thanks in advance and thank you for the great video!
If nothing else a continunity check mode on a multimeter on a non broken button module should get you the pinout
Why is this lawyer talking about the board of a video game console😂
This dude dresses like a lawyer so that he's always ready to spring into action to defend himself from Apple and Nintendo's legal teams.
this makes me want to try and hunt down a GTX 1650 boardview again. wasnt able to the first two times. :s
could be laser etched yet,still a cool tie!
this is wild
that is sick
Board View Picking Lawyer,
This is important.
Time for a PCBway Nintendo switch!
If you don't mind me asking, what's your day job?
"schematics or die!"
I'm sure Nintendo's legal team are after that guy already lool
I am never going to complain about soldering again
People take technology for granted. Not on the same select but people complain that new iPhones every year does not change but the amount of engineering required just for hardware is a lot!
Iirc a laser etcher was used to ablate each layer down
Madness!
so much work, but not anyone has access to a flying probe tester
very cool
Need this for the ps5 :)
Impressive
That looks like hair implants for cyborgs 😁
Nintendo be seething right now
Electronics manufacturers used to provide schematics and repair manuals...until they realized they'll make more money by making it impossible to repair your stuff and force you to 'Go Buy a new one.
I feel like this deserves a robot, to apply voltage on one pin/pad and then beep boop every other pin/pad on the board rapidly, wouldn't this make it so much easier/quicker to just take any pcb and beep boop out every pin to pad etc?
Yeah, incredible effort but why not just use a cnc robot to probe the pins instead.
So soldering something 1900 times doesn't really seem like that big of a deal (I've built synthesizers that have more components than that and I have no idea what I'm doing). The thing that I really don't understand is tracking where those wire go and never ripping one of them off... How?
is this legal ?
If you're paying for service not schematic, you should be able to re-upload the files you bought, right? :p
I only soldered 900 wire in a year
If you think that's a lot of wires, you've never seen the insides of a Cray-1 super computer.
That's much larger though.
...the Cray super computer that is totally defeated by a desktop PC in 2024. Or probably even an iPhone.
If anyone has a boardview for all pixel devices please let me know
damn the kids be on some ish these days...you pretty much found the good sites though..i'm working on leaching all the files/messages from then to feed to an AI model to maybe solve the organization problem (plus badcaps is running low on storage space and has mentioned wiping posts beyond a certain date to help with the monthly costs); keep on truckin'!
I wish I could afford a scope so I could start to do some independent contracting/sole trading work. There's just no work as an electrical engineer, or in embedded systems or software any more. And when there is, you barely earn enough to pay the rent. KMS.
2:40 hairy board
today technics are lasering each laye, sand simply does too much destruction, lasering is way more precise.!
is there any controlled machine for soldering those wires?
I'd think of a pin bed, or a probing robot perhaps. Maybe a modified 3d printer, have 2 "print heads" probe the board automatically. And for a dramatic speedup, give each print head some 50 or 100 probes.
5:55 what's cute is that this is how we have built the world. may be copyright and competition are antithesis to progress.
I have numerous boardview files, but only for industrial electronics, and more unfortunately, they're only stored in the soft and squishy medium of my brain.
God tier.
As impressive the tenacity to solder 1900 wires is, remember that people used to wire-wrap prototypes that were just as nasty... Imagine their pain when they had to debug their circuits.
Damn. Based.
I think Apple taking down the website could cause more problems cause the people who create or get their hands on those board files will still exist, they'll still wanna share or sell the files, and us engineers will still want access to those files. And because apple would be dealing with a technically inclined group of people, odds are that sellers would just end up getting better at how they operate, I would almost say it's inevitable. And lastly if Apple engages in a back and forth with sellers and their various sites/platforms then they risk media attention. Right now the sites sit in obscurity even when, as you said, they are literally in the videos we watch, but if any form of media starts writing articles and making videos Apple battling these sites then the average person would know they existed. That would drive demand, which would give the sellers and those who operate the sites ever more incemtive to make a more secure platform.
Its kinda like how in revolution there's often a key point where the dictator kills an important social figure which just drives the people to rebel even more. Apple is safer letting them rebel in the background than they would be if they shut them down in the town square.
nice
Reminder: Protogens go beep boop
Protogens indeed go beep boop
Side note: Ponies go clop clop
👍
Those are fine ways to make boardviews of cheap consumer devices that are plentiful so sacrificing a few of them to yank all the parts off and de-layer the board is feasible. It's a lot harder when reverse engineering rare / expensive, or even unobtainable boards were sacrificing one is just not an option. I've done it a few times (not on full boards, just on the areas that I need to reverse engineer), and it is a lot of super boring drudge work!
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I didn't see any wires in this video
Nintendo wouldn't be happy about this :)
Shahrukh Khan? 😮
Lol, true.
with all the AI image generators, you cant be sure what's real, board with wire sticking out could be fake.
mmmmm x-rays?
Whoever did that used a lot of Adderall!
there has to be a better way.
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