Who will the Mariners Trade at the Deadline?
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- The Mariners offense is on a historically poor pace.. while simultaneously having one of the best pitching staffs in baseball. Who will the Mariners be trading away at the deadline? Who will they bring in? Do the Mariners need to head another direction with coaching?
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The fan base is already upset, NO MOVE would be tantamount to daring anyone to follow this punch-less, infuriating offense another day.
I’m not, we have amazing chemistry and stellar fielding and pitching. We have a lineup that can just randomly explode and break records as long as you stop hating on them. We just need to force ownership to spend all the $300 jersey and $16 beer money
This is more on our ownership too. They let Teo go because he would cost to much, and refused to sign anyone in FA the past two years that is truly an impact. I consider myself a fair weather fan who will show up if they preform and I really want to come back… but their MO feels like they would rather trade for someone and give up good prospects, than go and get someone legit in the off-season because they are afraid of spending money. Didn’t our GM say 54% is their goal or something like that?
It feels like the HR is more valued in today’s game, but didn’t we win 116 by playing small ball? T-Mobile park is built for guys who can get on base to succeed, but we live and die by the long ball that struggles to get out of our park.
That being said, I’d want Vlad, upgrade at first base or DH and a proven legit hitter for average and can pack the power, but his average impressed me more. Love the content!
To be fair, Hernandez was not a great player in Seattle. Maybe it speaks to a broader organizational issue, but I can understand wanting to move on.
Whatever move they make, I hope they understand it doesn’t just have to please the fans. They have to also please a dissatisfied cal raleigh, Gilbert and Kirby. Of course we won’t be able to extend them all but our front office needs to make sure we can extend as many of them as possible
Why couldn’t we extend the three of them
@@thomaslarson6425 we could but realistically our ownership probably isn’t going to with how much they are going to cost. Not saying it absolutely won’t happen but it starts with ownership and I don’t have much confidence in them
Of course we can. We have the payroll
@@OwlBeBack25they seem very attached to the team so I bet we could get a discount
@@gaberobison680 with Scott boras in the picture I heavily doubt it, but who knows. Cal and Logan could definitely take less money to stay together because they seem super tight
What basis is there for Cal wanting to stay in Seattle? Cal has only been critical of this organization, and rightfully so.
He stated on Seattle Sports 710 he wants to be here for the rest of his career if possible. Of course any player would say it when asked, but that’s what he said
Well he is under club control until the 2028 season. So he isn't going anywhere soon.
Whoever they do trade for, I think they need to have at least some track record of having success hitting at T-Mobile.
Teo’s comments about not being comfortable at the park was very eye opening and explained why his home/away splits were so drastic. The pitcher looked sideways to him and he couldn’t track the ball well. Vs Nelson Cruz who signed here as a FA specifically because he COULD see the ball well. Theres something there.
Garver was like 0-31/34 at T-Mobile on his career - struggled.
Winker, Wong and Frazier were coming from NL teams and had All Star years before coming to Seattle and really didn’t play here - struggled and all three had better splits away then they did at home.
Confirmed, need to get Mike Trout
@@TheCouchGM lol trout mashes at T-Mobile and he could be a great DH to keep him healthy but his contact, no trade clause and the fact that there’s bad blood between the Angels and Jerry make that impossible.
Couple of names though:
Kerry Carpenter would be a massive upgrade. Only has three career games but he’s hitting like .455 with a 1.725 OPS.
Bellinger has 8 career games and is hitting .344 with a 1.017 OPS.
Just try to target those guys who’ve shown some semblance of offensive success hitting in Seattle
I’m in a bit of a dilemma with this team, on one hand I don’t want to punt the season because of how good our pitching is, but on the other hand I don’t know that the deadline will fix this team without Julio/JP/Cal/Garver figuring it out.
I think I would ideally like to see a legit star added with some club control (Vlad, Roberts, etc) along with maybe one average bat with some control (Hoerner), and then 2 rentals (Bellinger, Pham, Walker).
Think this gives you the best mix of adding some legit talent to the core for a push the next two years, while supplementing the roster this year at a low enough cost that you don’t make a big dent into the #2 farm system in baseball.
My only semi-untouchable is celesten. If he’s included for Robert’s or Vlad then whatever, but I don’t want him thrown in for someone like Hoerner or rentals. His upside is just through the roof good.
I 100% support bringing in Cody Bellinger (although it won’t happen). He’s a white Griffey Jr.
Robert would not help this offense.
Most of the M’s current top prospects are position players. So you have to wonder how much pitching they can really afford to lose.
Love Cal but he is hitting .206 and a .676 OPS. He's also 5th in all of baseball with 109 Ks in only 290 ABs. He's clutch for sure but lost at the plate overall.
His AVG is pretty painful
That's just his profile. He's also a good defender. Raleigh would be a more than acceptable catcher on a better team.
He's a skill position player and one of the best at his position.
But he’s also got a lot of power and doubles as like the best catcher in the league. Let’s stop pretending position players main job is to hit, it’s to field AND hit
All these people should be mad at the rule changes artificially inflating hitting numbers. We have the hardest park to hit in as our home field and a roster capable of magic as long as you stop hating. Calm down folks
The offense has been bad all season. It's not a new problem, nor is it worse than it was.
They got lucky, or an optimist might say they had clutch moments that secured a lot of unnecessarily close victories.
The bottom line is that Urias gave us exactly what should have been expected. Haniger has given us exactly what we should have expected.
We expected more from Garver and Polanco, but how much more would've been realistic? Not many players come here and have better than ever numbers.
Raley has given us more than I imagined he would, but for the Mariners, that's a horrible success rate from their off-season "upgrades".
Jerry gets credit for acquiring great pitching talents. He gets the blame for giving Kelenic away, and putting together an abysmal offensive team.
I wonder if he AAA roster couldn't produce the exact same offensive results if they switched places.
I want to see Bliss at 2B. I want to see Rojas finish games without being pinch-hit for. I want two new corner outfielders and a new 1B. And I want a DH who deserves the role.
Maybe Garver comes to life... Maybe Haniger hits better if he doesn't need to run around in the OF anymore...
I believe Julio will grow and mature, hopefully soon enough to make a difference this season...
But my question is, can we trade for everything we need? I think the answer is no. Therefore, don't emit l empty the farm system this season.
Jerry and the ownership need to admit they failed to recognize that this was the year they should have gone for it. The 54% theory only works if you recognize your moment. They failed last off-season.
Keep the prospects, and pray that the guys they brought in turn the corner now that the summer heat is here.
Do the Mariners just need to use lighter bats? I know the ball travels farther with the heavier bats, but maybe if they’re all late on fastballs, it’s a bat issue?
To make it simple, the Mariners have bad swing planes. They drop their barrels below the pitch plane, and then need to get the barrel back up to the ball, and the result is abundant pop-ups and strikeouts.
I assume the effort is to increase launch angles. I hate that approach. We've seen the results for the past few years.
@coachmullen1 , they strikeout an obscene amount. They're not making contact at all lol.
The first move will be a trade between the mariners and astros. Houston gets first place in the AL West and the Seattle falls out of the playoffs.
Maybe next year ...
Please don't trade Harry he is my favorite prospect
It’s tough getting attached to prospects! But also makes it fun to still root for them/ watch them elsewhere if they’re traded
Well considering our GM is a former lawyer I'm assuming he'll overcharge and underperform.
CouchGM to replace Scott Servais!
why don't we trade for yandy diaz rays will trade anyone he doesn't strike out gets on base and has a little pop
The left handed vs right handed thing is becoming stupid. Play people who can hit, not beause they are a particular handness. Stats are killing baseball
Start with dfa scott servais
Why? He’s a great coach
THEY NEED A NEW HITTING COACH AND MANAGER. jrod needs to keep his eye on the ball.
their offense vs pitching stats are suspiciously close to my The Show 24 franchise stats with them (set at all-star)...maybe a smidge better for me. their offense stinks. garver, polanco, and raley have been pretty stale additions, although i do like raley's hustle. luis arias was just a waste, unfortunately. they should be giving bliss and locklear more playing time, what do they have to lose?
There is no reason to think the mariners are in a must win situation right now. Buyers at trade deadline typically lose those trades. The smart thing to do is sell at the trade deadline. The mariners could trade Hancock or Evans and get a nice haul. Baltimore needs pitchers. The mariners should be talking to Baltimore who has some good bats that could start this year.
The no brainer move for the Orioles is to get Crochet from the White Sox. 2.5 years of an elite arm, and they have the farm to do it. Hancock and Evans would be too high risk for them to win with now.
Mariners are closer every day/ year to losing their elite starting pitching and guys getting more expensive.. they really do need to go for it these next couple years. They do have the bats in the farm to extend their window, but it’s time
@@TheCouchGM Gilbert isn’t a free agent until 2028. And the other pitchers are later. Especially if they don’t trade Hancock, Evans, Morales and other pitchers in their farm system. So they have pitching around for a while. Julio isn’t a free agent until 2031. Explain why we have to win now?
This current teams foundation is built through players that came up from their farm system. If they finish above .500 this year it will only be the second time in franchise history they have gone above 500 4 years in a row and assuming they continue to lead the division and go the playoffs the last three years will account for 1/3 of all mariners playoff appearances. And if you want to win a World Series your odds go way up if you make the playoffs. Point being what is the logic in reverting back to strategies of 15 years ago of trying to “win now” when the grow the team is working way better?
@@TheCouchGM and really who are you going to get in a trade? There are less guys out there than people think. Luis Roberts? Do you really see that being the trade that makes a huge difference? I don’t think Roberts numbers are any better than poloncos numbers of last year? Every guy we bring in seems to regress. Vlad would probably be the only real difference maker. And I don’t know if he is even available. I would be contacting the orioles. They have pipeline guys that we could play now, they don’t have a spot for them on their team, and they need pitchers and we have pitchers that would improve their team.
Why the Frogs biting off the Astros and copying their Tequila Sunrise rainbow uni style???
M’s need to get Brent Rooker and Brandon Nimmo
If we don't make the moves the fans are "expecti ng" shouldn't be that relevant in the grand scheme of things.
FIRE DEHART
We should play hardball. Why the fuck should we give up multiple future stars for one year of a player at the peak of their career with little growth potential? If you want a Mariners prospect then pay us for the quality of our scouting and drafting. Get somebody to overpay us
Trade Scott Servais for Vladdy Jr
They stopped playing for this coach.When he brought robbie ray and blew the playoffs
We had nobody else to bring and the offense didn’t score that game. It was a fine decision
I would not extend cal personally. Tough to separate the leader/person from the performance but i think you have to. Ride out his arbitration years and then wish him well.
Trade for Vlad - Harry Ford, Tai Peete and one positional player off the active roster. Dom or France. Any mix of those 3 vets or prospects unless they want a low level pitch could work.
Pray the Mets start sinking and you can trade for JD Martinez for Garver and maybe 1 mid/ 1 lower or 2 lower prospects for a real DH.
DO NOT TRADE FOR JIZZ CHISHOLM. His team hates him. The players hate him. The Mariners have always been about family, brotherhood and everyone getting along. No need for a cancer in the locker room.
Haniger needs to be replaced but not sure there is a trade out there that would fit. Would love to hear ideas. And dont say the Angels, they wont trade with Jerry to help him win.
DFA Polanco and put Bliss and Moore at 2B.
JP Rojas Julio Vlad JD Raleigh Raley Bliss Dom/Haniger(unless your trade for a OF)
I have a sneaking suspicion that Jerry will not trade for a relief arm. He will say that we got Santos and Spiers back at the midseason point and that is as good as a trade. He will say their arms are fresh ... blah blah blah. Go listen to an old interview from midseason trade deadlines and you will get the gist.
They will run out Garver once a week as a catcher. Big mistake, he is to fragile. Go trade away a low prospect for someone out of the race and their backup catcher that wont wilt when hit by a ball. Cal needs a break and rest a little more than once a week.
Now I am going to make an appt with my shrink and talk out all of this because none of it will happen and will be walking the line shaking my head at the sorry ass ownership.
Love to hear anyone comments or even the Couch GM.
I like the Vlad trade, don’t think they’ll move off of Garver at DH. Haniger and Polanco shouldn’t be on the roster, hard to DFA Haniger with his ‘25 player option. I think Garver bounces back 2nd half but not much faith in the others.
I think Santos coming back, Devinski signing, Speier coming back will be their bullpen plays.
Curious if they get crazy and use Hancock in a trade to reduce top prospects traded, use Logan Evans as a fill in SP if needed.
I dare the Mariners to get Rengifo (I know..) and Vlad
@@TheCouchGM I can see a rebound. He hasnt shown any signs of doing it so far. I hope they can see beyond their nose otherwise a DH batting .179 for the rest of the season. So maybe option available...
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Here is another name that I think is being looked over. The Ms need a good infielder, if they get a 3B they could mover Rojas back to 2B.
I think the ultimate goal down the road is that Colt and Cole up in 2 years to fill in the infield.
So my proposal is a Blue Jay and not Vlad or Bichette. Isiah Kiner-Falefa - who has another year on the contract. Can play 2B/SS/3B. Doesnt strikeout a much and gets on base. Only 7.5 mill this year and next.
Not a big cost. I definitely this better than the Nico option.
For the outfield there has been talk by Jim Bowden that the Ms have reached out on Bellinger, Chisholm, and Robert. I think Bellinger is the cheapest deal with his opt out contract. The numbers of these 3 are similar but Bellinger plays everyday. He is the obvious choice.
The Isiah and Cody trades would both be cheap.
I am still all over JD Martinez also. I would trade 11-20 prospect with Garver for him or two lower prospects. I am sure a couple of dollars are going to have to go back to the Mets. But do you want another 1.5 yrs of Garver batting less than .200...
All of this still leaves you wide open to keep your top ten prospects and if they can work a deal without using Colt, Cole, Felnin for a deal with Vlad then we are all in.
Sorry for the rambling but look up the 3 OF stats and compare, look up Kiner-Falefa stats and make a legit trade in your head and let me know.
Thanks in advance
Lazy cheap owners how about we buy a few bats. Gaver hangiger Rojas all garbage. Raley is dope tho
I would trade Cal.. the guy is a 200 hitter and Ks too much. Overrated
The leaders JP and Cal are leading the team to losses. DFA and trade 3 top 100 prospects are needed
trade for jonathan india
The Reds could use some more Mariners prospects!
hell naw