Since the Sunken Cost Fallacy is a fallacy, it would be a sound decision not to fall for it. Netflix should use the 200 Mio for tax payoff and cancel the project. But of course, that will never happen. Also, I think that the show will fail, because there is no audience for it, but that will be hard to tell since Netflix does not give out its numbers
What are you talking about dude? There is no audience for it? For three body problem? It's the most hyped and talked about sci fi book of the decade. The fans of the books are hyping up the show's potential left and right. I hate D&D for what they did to ASOIAF but they've chosen the right property because like GoT this could easily blow up even among more casual audiences who don't really like sci fi. At least if done well. That said 1. The book has interesting concepts but the writing, characters, prose and structure are utter garbage. The VR squences are dumb and mostly pointless. Half the book are scientific and psuedo scientific explenations for the technology in the book. The books are heavily over hyped but the ideas in it, ideas like the dark forest etc etc are very good and had a big impact on sci fi even science since the dark forest is an actual theory now. 2. When they started making GoT DEI / ESG wasn't such a big thing. I they will Americanize this too much. It's already clear that they are chaning Miao (Han Chinese man) to a Latin American woman. She will probably also take over the protagonist role for the protagonist of the second and third books and become the wallbreaker. In the trailer you can see events that don't happen in the first book etc That said, while they still had book material they did relatively good in adapting it to the screen. And for this property they can't really run out of books as the trilogy is already finished. But, as I've explained before. These books are nothing like GoT. They are nowhere as long, the remembrance of earth's past books have very shallow characters who you don't care too much for. Like you can't have a red wedding type deal. There are some reveals etc but they rea telegraphed from far in the books.
Oh, no! Say it ain't so! I still have post traumatic stress over the last seasons of GOT. They RUINED one of the best shows ever. PS - how long will it be before GRRM tells us the whole story? He should speak to Cixin Liu.
I honestly hate when people bring up Actress, Tamzin Merchant and say "Oh I bet she's pissed because she was fired by Dumb & Dumber and she's never going to he as good an actress as Emilia Clarke now!" I always correct people; Um. No. Tamzin Merchant saw the absolute SHIT SHOW of the pilot episode where she was; "stranded, half naked in the dark with no flood lights, fire pits and horses running around everywhere, spooked and hitting people....." And she was like; "NOPE NOPE NOPE". And bailed. People love to shit on Tamzin and I feel so bad for her and for Emilia Clarke tbh :C
i remember when they rehearsed the cast questions like 'did you steal anything?' and how the rehearsed version leaked. also poor alfie allen being expected to answer a writing question for which he was utterly unqualified.
I completely agree with you on this. They abandoned the last two book's plotlines and tailor-made the story to suit the actors (& make THEM happy) when it should have been the other way around, and they should have focused on satisfying the fans and GRRM.
@@thedragondemands5186 Except for John Bradley who kept supporting them and had even said rude things to the fans on their behalf. His work paid off. He got the job in their netflix project. At least, I'm happy some of the other actors spoke up the truth.
@@animethronesfandom It seems like a bad idea for them to hire the same actor as in GoT, cause it just functions as a reminder that you are watching something made by D&D, which can't be a good thing.
@@basquat76 I think it's their way to send a warning to the other actors, "look what happened to those who stuck with us / support us. If you say bad stuff any us, we'll never hire you again. (But idr what Liam's take on this was. I'm only sure about Bradley. I wonder how important his role will be on this show, considering how much he insulted the fans on D&D's behalf...)"
HBO had gold in their hands with this show,but B en W didn't care,they kept running the show into the ground at a higher pace each season,very sad for the fans and the cast and crew,
This was an awesome production TDD (I don't mind long videos from you, especially in the case of this important topic and if they are this thorough and detailed (but on that front you frankly always deliver))! I had a good listen to it during a long day of commuting. Thank you, and may there be constant vigilance (on everything) surrounding those two individuals.
Before I even consider watching this, you and Quinn from Ideas of Ice and Fire are the two people whose opinions I trust. He's a 3BP superfan/expert and won't gloss over their inconsistencies.
Just saw a preview on UA-cam and Liam Cunningham is another GOT actor in it...he's featured prominently. Jonathan Pryce and John Bradley also showed up but both were brief
Checked out the tv series wiki page: "In November 2023, executive producer Gao Xiaosong stated on his talkshow 'Who Knows' that the series was nearly finished editing, but is currently over budget, as Netflix spent US$200 million to produce the eight episodes. With an average budget of US$25 million per episode, it would already be the most expensive Netflix production to date and the second most expensive television series after The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power. How do 8 episodes cost over $200 million? (I mean.. you answered that - incompetence - but geez.) They have an experienced co-writer Alexander Woo on the series too. Do you think that will help cover them? (Edit: literally just got to that part of your video woops 😂)
I'm not blaming Martin (no victim blaming here) but I do wonder how Benioff and Weiss tricked him when he's been in the entertainment industry before and knows how it works. Did he or his agents not look into these guys? Surely he's encountered con men before.
"Benioff is like ine of the Roy children from Succession." DUDE. Thank you! That's such a perfect and concise way to put it. That communicates everything I want to say about about him without having to spend hours trying to communicated how he is and why I'm confident he'll fuck up 3BP. Nailed it! XOX
Can you breakdown the interview they just did with The Hollywood Reporter? Seems like a lot of lies and papering over the claims that have been made since Thrones. They say they turned down producer credits on all future Thrones spin offs? I can believe that they haven't watched HOTD because they clearly never cared. You can really hear the smugness even through text, like they got away with it.
I doubt 3BP (regardless if its intended or not) will become a Netflix flagship. It has a lot of competition. From Arcane to it's Live-Adaptation Anime's, from Squid Games to Wednesday. It seems like they may not be as successful this time just because of how crowded the Netflix pool has gotten. Great Video!👍
I don't know. On one hand, they have in some ways captured the same momentum as GoT. When they started making GoT the hardcore fans of GoT started hyping the show up long before it released. And GoT was ultra popular among fantasy readers. The TBP is probably the biggest sci fi book in the past decade or so. Every booktuber talks about it. It's in my opinion very overrated. But it's relatively new and very popular, if they pull of a good show this will be super popular I believe. But the problem as I've said, the book isn't that good. It has great sci fi concepts and ideas. But the plot and the characters are garbage. And without a good plot and characters they will have a hard time having casual people connect with the show.
Benioffs scheme of proposing the most offensive show possible to get out of his HBO contract reminds me of “Bamboozled” directed by (oddly enough) Spike Lee (In that one a black tv writer proposes a televised minstrel show to his boorish white boss in an effort to get fired and to put the network to its grave, only for it to become a massive hit).
This show has a 20/30% chance for success.. The reason I give it any chance at all is simple 1. The books series has already been written and so they won't run out of books. The first 4 seasons of GoT were well adapted. But.. it's clear that they aren't doing a very faithful adaption from the trailer 2. This book has an immense audience right now. And if there was ever a time to make an adaptation for three body problem it's right now. It's probably the most talked about and most popular sci fi book in the past decade. The book's fans will hype the show up before it comes out and spread the world just like with GoT. The question is, will the show be good enough to keep the attention of viewers? Here is why I think it likely won't 1. They don't seem to failthfully adapt the story 2. DEI / ESG is a thing now unlike in GoT. They've already switched Miao to a latin american female 3. Can't trust D&D to screw over the show like they did with GoT. 4. The books are heavily over hyped. There are very good sci fi concepts in there. But as books? As stories? They are horribly bad. They have the blandest, most 2 dimensional characters ever. Half the book is just explenation of physics, tech and often psuedo tech / science. Like folding photon's into other dimensions, making it a 2 dimensional flat sheet, cover and etch a super computer into it etc etc Still, let me make clear. The sci fi speculation in the book is incredible. The author has come up with some really influential theories like the dark forest theory. But the author is also a pos that in great detail talks about the horrific cultural revolution in China, while supporting the genocide of the Uyghurs.
@@thedragondemands5186 They rushed the novels they had into 4 seasons when they could have easily made 8 seasons on those books alone. They cut half the content of the books but by the start of season 4 they were done with the books, they had done all the major arcs they wanted to do and started just making up their own continuation to the story. They did ran out of books. But mostly also because of their own fault and choice. That's also why the show went to sh after s4. Every season after that was worse than the one before. And people were in denial for the longest time. Bcause unfortunately many people can't criticize the thing they love or worse won't even allow others to do so. It took for the end of season 8 for people to wake up and smell the roses. Then suddenly the same people who claimed the battle of the bastards was the best battle on TV ever (it was horrifically bad, I can write a book on how bad and nonsensical every scene in that battle was) were now suddenly complaining about how bad the past few seaons had been. The same peope who used to call people sexist etc because "if they don't like the way D&D are changing characters like Jon, Tyrion, Danny etc that must because you hate women!" Anyway, I don't know if it was luck that everything just came together in the right way. But the first four seasons, which were pretty faithful adaptiations of the book, only leaving a ton of stuff out "because it's TV" (which is always often a bad excuse), anyway the first four season were brilliant. And then it just went to sht. And it became obvious that D&D had no idea what they were doing, were extremely sub par writers but most of all didn't understand or "know"the characters that they were supposed to write lines for. So you got gangsta danny who, effeminate Jon "muh qween" Snowgerian, Lord Spidey "it's ok, we'll try to poison her agan, later" Varys etc. etc. Also, I don't think that GRRM is blameless in this. He was very obviously frustrated with D&D. And it looks like they kinda shut him out after s4 or 5. But One way he could have played a bigger role in the show is by writing / finishing winds of fkn winter. He's a brilliant writer but backstabbed the fk out of his fans. He took the money and ran to play popi hopey in Hollywood. Now he's too busy creating 3 other shows or so, to care about ever finishing his book. He's long given up on that. He wrote it with no outline and it grew so big he barely remembers 10% of it. And writing for hollywood / tv is his real passion from all the interviews that I've seen from him. I really wanted to buy those beautiful folio society editions of ASOIAF. But I'm 10000% certain that he will never finish the books. So what would be the point of buying pretty, expensive collectors editions for a seriest hat will never finish. Or at least never be finished by the O.g. author. And unlike Robert Jordan. I don't think anyone can replace GRRM's writing that easily esp not someone like Brandon Sanderson.
The fact that they race swapped most characters because of an international audience is a red flag. Don’t adapt a Chinese sci fi books if you don’t intent to at least have more than 3 Asian or Chinese male characters…
Since the Sunken Cost Fallacy is a fallacy, it would be a sound decision not to fall for it. Netflix should use the 200 Mio for tax payoff and cancel the project. But of course, that will never happen. Also, I think that the show will fail, because there is no audience for it, but that will be hard to tell since Netflix does not give out its numbers
Suddenly Zaslav isn’t the villain who takes the tax write off on projects he no longer has faith in.
They started giving out numbers, it was a demand from the strike
@@thedragondemands5186 Oh, that's nice 😊 In the long term that will be helpful for everyone
What are you talking about dude? There is no audience for it? For three body problem? It's the most hyped and talked about sci fi book of the decade. The fans of the books are hyping up the show's potential left and right. I hate D&D for what they did to ASOIAF but they've chosen the right property because like GoT this could easily blow up even among more casual audiences who don't really like sci fi. At least if done well.
That said
1. The book has interesting concepts but the writing, characters, prose and structure are utter garbage. The VR squences are dumb and mostly pointless. Half the book are scientific and psuedo scientific explenations for the technology in the book. The books are heavily over hyped but the ideas in it, ideas like the dark forest etc etc are very good and had a big impact on sci fi even science since the dark forest is an actual theory now.
2. When they started making GoT DEI / ESG wasn't such a big thing. I they will Americanize this too much. It's already clear that they are chaning Miao (Han Chinese man) to a Latin American woman. She will probably also take over the protagonist role for the protagonist of the second and third books and become the wallbreaker. In the trailer you can see events that don't happen in the first book etc
That said, while they still had book material they did relatively good in adapting it to the screen. And for this property they can't really run out of books as the trilogy is already finished. But, as I've explained before. These books are nothing like GoT. They are nowhere as long, the remembrance of earth's past books have very shallow characters who you don't care too much for. Like you can't have a red wedding type deal. There are some reveals etc but they rea telegraphed from far in the books.
Oh, no! Say it ain't so! I still have post traumatic stress over the last seasons of GOT. They RUINED one of the best shows ever. PS - how long will it be before GRRM tells us the whole story? He should speak to Cixin Liu.
I will never tire of you insulting Dumb & Dumber
It seriously warms the cold dark cockles of my heart. Those guys suck so much.
Nore will I I luv Dragon tells us all about the trash Dumb an Dumber did an still doing
I can't stop clicking on his videos 😂
Booo! I’m not going to watch it but I’m more than happy to listen to your review. Hopefully you shred them to pieces.
I honestly hate when people bring up Actress, Tamzin Merchant and say "Oh I bet she's pissed because she was fired by Dumb & Dumber and she's never going to he as good an actress as Emilia Clarke now!" I always correct people; Um. No. Tamzin Merchant saw the absolute SHIT SHOW of the pilot episode where she was; "stranded, half naked in the dark with no flood lights, fire pits and horses running around everywhere, spooked and hitting people....." And she was like; "NOPE NOPE NOPE". And bailed.
People love to shit on Tamzin and I feel so bad for her and for Emilia Clarke tbh :C
i remember when they rehearsed the cast questions like 'did you steal anything?' and how the rehearsed version leaked. also poor alfie allen being expected to answer a writing question for which he was utterly unqualified.
I completely agree with you on this.
They abandoned the last two book's plotlines and tailor-made the story to suit the actors (& make THEM happy) when it should have been the other way around, and they should have focused on satisfying the fans and GRRM.
Oh even the actors hated it; it was to boost D&D’s own careers
@@thedragondemands5186 Except for John Bradley who kept supporting them and had even said rude things to the fans on their behalf. His work paid off. He got the job in their netflix project.
At least, I'm happy some of the other actors spoke up the truth.
@@animethronesfandom It seems like a bad idea for them to hire the same actor as in GoT, cause it just functions as a reminder that you are watching something made by D&D, which can't be a good thing.
@@basquat76 I think it's their way to send a warning to the other actors, "look what happened to those who stuck with us / support us. If you say bad stuff any us, we'll never hire you again. (But idr what Liam's take on this was. I'm only sure about Bradley. I wonder how important his role will be on this show, considering how much he insulted the fans on D&D's behalf...)"
HBO had gold in their hands with this show,but B en W didn't care,they kept running the show into the ground at a higher pace each season,very sad for the fans and the cast and crew,
This was an awesome production TDD (I don't mind long videos from you, especially in the case of this important topic and if they are this thorough and detailed (but on that front you frankly always deliver))! I had a good listen to it during a long day of commuting. Thank you, and may there be constant vigilance (on everything) surrounding those two individuals.
Before I even consider watching this, you and Quinn from Ideas of Ice and Fire are the two people whose opinions I trust. He's a 3BP superfan/expert and won't gloss over their inconsistencies.
I look forward to his news assessment
3 bodies problem ? I only count 2 : Benioff and Weiss.
Third Problem - the person at Netflix who payed them $200 million.
Oooh can we watch the panel? They have been in exile for four years. Interested in hearing what they are going to say.
Just saw a preview on UA-cam and Liam Cunningham is another GOT actor in it...he's featured prominently. Jonathan Pryce and John Bradley also showed up but both were brief
I'm so excited to watch your coverage of this circus!😁
Checked out the tv series wiki page:
"In November 2023, executive producer Gao Xiaosong stated on his talkshow 'Who Knows' that the series was nearly finished editing, but is currently over budget, as Netflix spent US$200 million to produce the eight episodes. With an average budget of US$25 million per episode, it would already be the most expensive Netflix production to date and the second most expensive television series after The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power.
How do 8 episodes cost over $200 million? (I mean.. you answered that - incompetence - but geez.) They have an experienced co-writer Alexander Woo on the series too. Do you think that will help cover them?
(Edit: literally just got to that part of your video woops 😂)
I'm not blaming Martin (no victim blaming here) but I do wonder how Benioff and Weiss tricked him when he's been in the entertainment industry before and knows how it works. Did he or his agents not look into these guys? Surely he's encountered con men before.
It’s George’s agent who sent his books to Benioff for an adaptation.
"Benioff is like ine of the Roy children from Succession." DUDE. Thank you! That's such a perfect and concise way to put it. That communicates everything I want to say about about him without having to spend hours trying to communicated how he is and why I'm confident he'll fuck up 3BP. Nailed it! XOX
I think the Succession writers know nepo babies like him and their behavior patterns
Can you breakdown the interview they just did with The Hollywood Reporter? Seems like a lot of lies and papering over the claims that have been made since Thrones. They say they turned down producer credits on all future Thrones spin offs? I can believe that they haven't watched HOTD because they clearly never cared. You can really hear the smugness even through text, like they got away with it.
Seven part series of videos
@@thedragondemands5186 YESSSS! Can't wait 😆
If we don't get a superfan video of no names walking in to the studio with some strange peeing in the corner then Netflix needs to step up there game.
I doubt 3BP (regardless if its intended or not) will become a Netflix flagship. It has a lot of competition. From Arcane to it's Live-Adaptation Anime's, from Squid Games to Wednesday. It seems like they may not be as successful this time just because of how crowded the Netflix pool has gotten. Great Video!👍
I don't know. On one hand, they have in some ways captured the same momentum as GoT. When they started making GoT the hardcore fans of GoT started hyping the show up long before it released. And GoT was ultra popular among fantasy readers. The TBP is probably the biggest sci fi book in the past decade or so. Every booktuber talks about it.
It's in my opinion very overrated. But it's relatively new and very popular, if they pull of a good show this will be super popular I believe. But the problem as I've said, the book isn't that good. It has great sci fi concepts and ideas. But the plot and the characters are garbage. And without a good plot and characters they will have a hard time having casual people connect with the show.
@@3choblast3r4 huh, I see...
Well for “mature live action drama”
@@3choblast3r4the hardcore book fans want it to be good so they’ll convince themselves it is
mr. dragon chap: 'return of the benioff and weiss show.'
me: 'oh, God no.'
Benioffs scheme of proposing the most offensive show possible to get out of his HBO contract reminds me of “Bamboozled” directed by (oddly enough) Spike Lee (In that one a black tv writer proposes a televised minstrel show to his boorish white boss in an effort to get fired and to put the network to its grave, only for it to become a massive hit).
I would give anything to see that pilot episode!!!
they must have SOME idea how to run a TV show now right? I mean they must have learned something ;)
People kept insisting that and then Season 8 showed point by point they didn’t; I mean purely from a logistical standpoint
Nope.
Did they lie about loving this book to get the rights too? Or were they told to do it, since they are so good at adaptations 😅
They were assigned it by Netflix. And after being told to read it, said they really like it.
That's what I thought. I'm sure they will act like they are lifelong fans to swing it in their favour tho
@@ridensroom6957 more like “we fell in love with it” same as Game of Thrones
I always knew you were more obsessed with Benioff than the ASOIAF universe.
Boycott of everything these two do
This show has a 20/30% chance for success.. The reason I give it any chance at all is simple
1. The books series has already been written and so they won't run out of books. The first 4 seasons of GoT were well adapted. But.. it's clear that they aren't doing a very faithful adaption from the trailer
2. This book has an immense audience right now. And if there was ever a time to make an adaptation for three body problem it's right now. It's probably the most talked about and most popular sci fi book in the past decade. The book's fans will hype the show up before it comes out and spread the world just like with GoT.
The question is, will the show be good enough to keep the attention of viewers? Here is why I think it likely won't
1. They don't seem to failthfully adapt the story
2. DEI / ESG is a thing now unlike in GoT. They've already switched Miao to a latin american female
3. Can't trust D&D to screw over the show like they did with GoT.
4. The books are heavily over hyped. There are very good sci fi concepts in there. But as books? As stories? They are horribly bad. They have the blandest, most 2 dimensional characters ever. Half the book is just explenation of physics, tech and often psuedo tech / science. Like folding photon's into other dimensions, making it a 2 dimensional flat sheet, cover and etch a super computer into it etc etc Still, let me make clear. The sci fi speculation in the book is incredible. The author has come up with some really influential theories like the dark forest theory. But the author is also a pos that in great detail talks about the horrific cultural revolution in China, while supporting the genocide of the Uyghurs.
GAME OF THRONES NEVER "RAN OUT OF NOVELS"!!
@@thedragondemands5186 They rushed the novels they had into 4 seasons when they could have easily made 8 seasons on those books alone. They cut half the content of the books but by the start of season 4 they were done with the books, they had done all the major arcs they wanted to do and started just making up their own continuation to the story.
They did ran out of books. But mostly also because of their own fault and choice.
That's also why the show went to sh after s4. Every season after that was worse than the one before. And people were in denial for the longest time. Bcause unfortunately many people can't criticize the thing they love or worse won't even allow others to do so. It took for the end of season 8 for people to wake up and smell the roses. Then suddenly the same people who claimed the battle of the bastards was the best battle on TV ever (it was horrifically bad, I can write a book on how bad and nonsensical every scene in that battle was) were now suddenly complaining about how bad the past few seaons had been. The same peope who used to call people sexist etc because "if they don't like the way D&D are changing characters like Jon, Tyrion, Danny etc that must because you hate women!"
Anyway, I don't know if it was luck that everything just came together in the right way. But the first four seasons, which were pretty faithful adaptiations of the book, only leaving a ton of stuff out "because it's TV" (which is always often a bad excuse), anyway the first four season were brilliant. And then it just went to sht. And it became obvious that D&D had no idea what they were doing, were extremely sub par writers but most of all didn't understand or "know"the characters that they were supposed to write lines for. So you got gangsta danny who, effeminate Jon "muh qween" Snowgerian, Lord Spidey "it's ok, we'll try to poison her agan, later" Varys etc. etc.
Also, I don't think that GRRM is blameless in this. He was very obviously frustrated with D&D. And it looks like they kinda shut him out after s4 or 5. But One way he could have played a bigger role in the show is by writing / finishing winds of fkn winter. He's a brilliant writer but backstabbed the fk out of his fans. He took the money and ran to play popi hopey in Hollywood. Now he's too busy creating 3 other shows or so, to care about ever finishing his book. He's long given up on that. He wrote it with no outline and it grew so big he barely remembers 10% of it. And writing for hollywood / tv is his real passion from all the interviews that I've seen from him.
I really wanted to buy those beautiful folio society editions of ASOIAF. But I'm 10000% certain that he will never finish the books. So what would be the point of buying pretty, expensive collectors editions for a seriest hat will never finish. Or at least never be finished by the O.g. author. And unlike Robert Jordan. I don't think anyone can replace GRRM's writing that easily esp not someone like Brandon Sanderson.
The fact that they race swapped most characters because of an international audience is a red flag. Don’t adapt a Chinese sci fi books if you don’t intent to at least have more than 3 Asian or Chinese male characters…
Uh oh