I went through this in my early 20's. It changed my life immeasurably when I stopped parroting without understanding or supporting with evidence. I could hear myself, exactly as he described. This is why I'm adamant that talking is so important to discovering how we really feel about something: we can hear our own doubt and bullshit. It's also why we should be allowed to verbalise a thought without fear of recrimination, as fear of speaking inhibits understanding.
Could you elaborate on how you proceeded? I'm currently 20 y/o and have trouble putting his words into action. I feel exactly as he described, the two parts of me that keep watching each other.
What I do when I hear my self doubt is start a discussion with it. For example if I think while talking "what you're saying is bullshit" I then ask "what do you really think,and why?" And I keep going until i'm satisfied. Science and philosophy really helped me with making sense of what I felt.
Glad I found this video and comment today. I’m in my mid 30’s and I’m feeling this way as well. 8 months ago I started a vlog channel sharing my life with people. This problem I have that Jordan speaking of has caused me some issues. The first way to fixing this I would assume is by realizing your problem.
topgum could it be possible your girlfriend is creating trouble because she wants to awaken you, she wants you on your path , she doesn't want you lazy and stagnant. Sometimes women create trouble because they also dont feel loved. And sometimes they are just fukn insane. Lol
From 4:00 to end “ if you don’t push yourself to the limits, there will be a lot of energy and will power to cause trouble so your mind can have something to solve”.
Ive never heard anyone speak so practically and truthfully about understanding our psyches. I owe Dr Peterson a priceless debt for how hes changed my perspective and made me question everything I think I know about myself.
I binge on him and Noam Chomsky. Chomsky may scare people with his politics, but his study of economic systems and linguistics is pretty scary. It's dead on. Anyone should read at least that about him before casting him off. It's funny that the right is now basically parroting his talking points in _Manufacturing Consent_, while the left is denying it.
Wow hearing him say he doesn’t think he’s naturally a good person and that he has to work at it really stood out to me. I feel the exact same way about myself at times
@Harry Abma you beat me to it. There's a great difference between nice and good. Nietzsche talked about that all the time. A man who is not capable of evil is not good but a man who is capable and holds back certainly is. Good is a synonym to strong
@@MsZsc lmao Have a great day! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Cheers, buddy! 🥂 God Bless! Stay strong, stay safe and take care of yourselves! Wishing everyone the best! Jesus loves you! May the Holy Spirit guide you! 😇 💗🕊
The thing I enjoy about Peterson as a new listener is that listening to him, and I don't mean as an insult, it sounds like a train of association. He doesn't seem to make eye contact, he talks looking down or eyes closed, he carefully considers what he says and he speaks precisely, and he goes on short rabbit trails, so when I listen to him I feel I'm getting the rock bottom truth and I'd better listen because I won't be hearing it the same way again.
kid of notion I think he's saying that the way Jordan Peterson talks while looking down, etc makes his presentation feel like "the rock bottom truth" I don't think that has any effect on his philosophy, just his presentation of it.
Hate to tell you but he always makes eye contact. He's looking at the front row of the crowd. Watch his class lectures. He also is always looking and speaking at someone.
[it sounds like a train of association] Dr Peterson is striving to TELL YOU WHAT HE THINKS. He descibes in an interview that he realized that he had all this experience and education, plus understanding from all the human interaction in a clinical psychology setting and there were all these problems in the Word because ppl didn't understand what was happening to them. The Interviewer asked what he was going to do about it? And he replied. *"I say what I think"*
Lmfao there's always that perfect UA-cam comment on each video that makes me laugh out loud in such a genuine manner. Thank you random person on the Internet
XD Have a great day! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Cheers, buddy! 🥂 God Bless! Stay strong, stay safe and take care of yourselves! Wishing everyone the best! Jesus loves you! May the Holy Spirit guide you! 😇 💗🕊
I think of all the things Peterson has talked about, this was the single most powerful revelation in my life. Ever since I took this advice to heart, not only have I stopped feeling weak, but my words appear to be causing the world to reorient itself tiny bit by bit. Sidebar: I'm surprised Peterson didn't point out that one of the alternate definitions for "true" is something like "properly aligned." Eg "the arrow flew true to its target."
Jon VC Can you give me an example of something that makes you weak? I'm having trouble with this concept. I have an idea of what it means, but exactly what kind of weakness here confuses me.
Any lie that you tell which you then choose to embody makes you weak. Cowardice is one such lie that I recently won a huge victory against. Cowardice works as follows: First, there's something you know you ought to do, because it is good and proper that you do so. Ask out the cute girl at work, tell a friend they are doing damage to themselves, or have a talk with a family member who is struggling. The lie is embodied in inaction, and the lie is something along the lines of, "I'd probably be worse off and it wouldn't really do any good anyway." My recent victory was in the first scenario. Turns out the girl at work had a boyfriend, probably the outcome I imagined was 90% likely. How is that not a loss for me? Well firstly, just approaching her was a heroic action, leading me to think things like "is this really me? I didn't know I was this brave." Secondly, I came to realize that nothing really bad happened. Thirdly, now that the truth has been spoken, I don't have to bloody wonder every time I see her what might happen. Fourthly, maybe this girl wasn't aware of my interest, and she will now consider why she's been with the same guy forever with nary a ring on her finger, which would probably benefit her at the least (she looks for someone who sweeps her off her feet like she deserves). So yes, this was a major victory in making myself more brave. It all started by seeing myself say something like, "It'd be ok if I never..." and then call myself on that lie.
JediNiyte Like Peterson says, start examining what you have been saying. Watch for things that make you think: 1 that's not true, 2 you don't mean that, 3 that's not your idea. Basically watch how you speak and act in most situations, and see if you tried to weasel out of fully and forthrightly confronting the situation. It's a long process trying to find your alignment, start with the things most obviously wrong. One thing I've been incorporating lately is eliminating any actions which needlessly tear someone else down. Usually this means my ideas are too weak to stand near others.
Jon VC - In addition to your first point "that's not true" I would also say to watch for things that are, as Jordan Peterson puts it, _false truths_. Namely those things that are technically true but your habitual language patterns when talking or thinking about the situation undermine your own strength or place you as a victim rather than just an unwilling participant. I know it sounds like new-agey self-help advice but addressing self defeating language patterns and replacing them with empowering language patterns can go a long way to improving yourself. Just don't delude yourself, just lean slightly to the more positive side of the truth rather than either extreme.
My 2 cents in the pond: I recently started being firm and assertive and when I do it I can literally feel some kind of dopamine inside me that says "yes. you passed this test and took the right road". like JP says, hard to explain/ articulate that. 🙏🏾
I just had a wonderfully productive conversation with my close friend and this video popped up in my feed. I think it was the first time that I was truly honest with him about what I believe. As Jordan says, it was a huge relief to no longer have that kind of cognitive dissonance between what I say and what I really think. It was nice to hear him put it so eloquently
Joseph Baron I had the exact same event happen to me lol, one night I got to talking with a friend about all of this, or something similar anyway, and it exposes to yourself what your ideals are vs. what you say and what your motives are. You’re right to say it is a sort of cognitive dissonance, best way I could label this problem. Two conflicting ideas, with an inability to side with one or the other. Feels like you’re always bullshitting yourself.
I do this all the time, it's terrible. Everything I do or say I analise and judge myself on. I'll realize when I feel weak and ill think to myself "people are noticing your weakness, they aren't buying this".
"trouble is more interesting than boring". Not the most eloquent words JP has ever said, but it sums up what I did in the winter of 2014/15. I've finally realized the actual cause of all my inner turmoil. Thank God. Now I can work at it and interest myself with perpetual challenge
I've whittled myself down to only a fraction of the shit talk I used to produce. It can be very hard not shit talking, but after I realized how feminine it is to bitch about shit instead of fix it, I straightened up.
The seeming length of the day is due to two things. One, how active you keep your mind and imagination once you can do the job without much, if any conscious thought. And two, how busy doing the job you really are. The second depends on the kind of job and how much need there is for the job itself. The more needed it is, the busier and less long the day will seem. The less there is to actually physically (or mentally) do, the longer the day will seem. It's a sort of conundrum, really, because this all also depends on how much you like the job. If you hate it, time will seem to slow down. If you enjoy it time will seem to be moving normally, or a bit faster than expected. If you love the job, time spent doing it will seem to fly by. Perspective is important in art. It's as important, if not more, in day to day life. Each of those "selves" he speaks of in this video is a perspective on something. Poor perspective makes the view from it difficult or impossible to see what it is you're trying to see. Try keeping all that verbal commentary to yourself for extended periods while trying to think of better, more important, more applicable things to say. That will help the interminable days pass at least a bit more quickly.
This advice of his made me speak a lot more as an introvert...my words started to have backbone and I started to kind of enjoy speaking, well not that I won't get tired but it's a lot easier to speak when it is from your own being
That honestly is incredibly smart! You not only save time (get closer to your goals,) but also motivate yourself. And as TheOffenda said, it *is* working you out mentally and physically. For some reason your comment gave me a lot of inspiration!
Im shocked, since last year Ive been experiencing exactly what you described. Being 23, most of what i would have to say are not useful and may cause disturbance, especially when analysing life, society and politics. Ive always been introvert and quiet, sometimes too much, but now I see that shutting my mouth and cultivating purposeful thoughts are giving me peace and it’s the path that can guide me into maturity and wisdom. Thank you for organizing and teaching such life lessons.
It happened to me too I felt like that when I was talking to friends and sometimes to be agreeable or to not to offend people my words change or bend and then I feel like my inner judge is judging while i talk and i felt off..but when I talked to my husband I can only speak honestly and I felt just like what he described aligned and I can feel how my inner judge gives me peace and comfort. Since then i try to become more aware of this feeling I can't go back to my old habit..I just only speak what is in my heart and the truth as i see it which changed everything. And it gave me more courage to bare everything to my husband to anybody who is close to me and it just made me closer to them. As if now I always have to answer to that inner judge in me whether what I am doing or thinking is right. This makes us aware and more responsible of our own actions. And I realized that doing our best to do what we think is right all the time we have a chance gives us peace inside. We cannot control anything ..good and bad things will happen to us but the only thing we can control is our actions.
He's a pretty normal guy that has a huge passion for increasing his understanding. I hope there's allot more like him that we don't notice going about our daily lives.
Knowing I'm not the only one with an inner voice that is giving me shit every time I try and be myself, it means a lot to me. It's the cause of much of my anxiety issues is this voice that tells me that I can't be or shouldn't be a friendly, outgoing person that isn't scared of speaking in public. I'm unable to brush off publicly awkward situations without starting to sweat and stuff because in a millisecond it would kick into my conscience, disappear, but the damage had already been done. No matter what I do consciously to keep it at bay, I always fail.
StandAloneState Personally, I believe admitting out loud to yourself that you need help, hopefully reassures you and comforts you. This is the beginning of wisdom. God bless.
Just commit to it and move on, You must visual yourself on how can you improve yourself and commit to it no matter what and you will be just fine. At the end of the day we are always fine whatever things we are doing
Right, the balancing opposite here would be not to completely stop talking. I recognise scrutinising everything I say, concluding I have nothing of value to add, so I'll just shut my mouth, but that's not quite right either. Maybe I'm coming from the opposing part of the spectrum, but what helped me was exactly speak out more. Aligning your deepest being with what you say can also mean just speaking the truth you don't easily dare to speak. Not speaking your mind at all is another pitfall. The guilt of not being open and honest sure as hell feels weak.
He's saying that you should only say things that you know to be true - from within yourself. Don't regurgitate other peoples' opinions, figure out your own truthfully and then speak them. He doesn't say to stop talking, only that when you stop regurgitating other people's thoughts that you haven't actually taken ownership of, usually you will have very little to say.
Vincent Jacobs I know what you mean, and I think the process of being a good self critic actually emboldens you to speak out more. It worked really well for me, it helped me overcome social anxiety.
In chess, every move has a purpose, every move is a direct step to winning. In the same way, JBP is saying you should have a direct reason for speaking. He's not saying don't speak, he's saying make every word have purpose.
@@hieronymushumble5716 I hope you can help me in there. What does he mean whe he sais "I would go with te critic" he goes with the normal or with the neutral watcher??
Well done! Have a great day! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays! Cheers, buddy! 🥂 God Bless! Stay strong, stay safe and take care of yourselves! Wishing everyone the best! Jesus loves you! May the Holy Spirit guide you! 😇 💗🕊
That happened to me at 30. Calling out your own bullshit is healthy. 90% of the time we are talking for the sake of it. He's talking about the rising of self awareness in himself. A separation of soul and ego. When you do this life gets out of your way and guides you. People have no power over you. You are free.
We would never allow someone to say negative things to our best friend......why should we allow ourselves to speak negative self-talk to ourselves. We need to be our own best friend. We deserve the best for our selves. Next time you catch yourself thinking negative self talk.....STOP! and change it to the opposite POSITIVE Self-Talk. You will be amazed at how healthy and therapeutic it will BECOME. God Bless EVERYONE out here.
The observer has been noted for centuries by Zen Buddhists. We aren't aware of it until it needs to speak to us. Otherwise, it merely gives us hints when we stray from the right path, since the observer is also a judge.
I had the same thing happen when I read when helping you is hurting me because the author suggested not pleasing, giving, rescuing, teaching, crusading, counselling and one more thing for a week and I had very little to say. That was when I started to listen a lot more.
I feel like Dr. Jordan Peterson is a blessing on this world. I feel like he describes so many complex things into something most of us can understand much easier. But you can't just listen to him passively to understand these things, you have to listen with open ears and eyes to really delve into what he's saying and imagine the things he's talking about, that's where you get the most from listening to Jordan. He's a great teacher and you can tell that he really loves helping people. Bless his heart, what a wonderful man.
I’m going through this burning off dead wood. It’s only been a few weeks but it feels real good and I can’t wait to see how much better it gets. It amazing what happens when you shut up and actually listen to yourself. It’s like my brain has been talking over my conscience all my life while my conscience has been watching and waiting patiently. Waiting for the moment to say “ Are you done with all this manic behavior and fed up with all this stress, anxiety and general depression? Now I’m going to teach you how to truly be someone”. Now when I speak an untruth like embellishing a story I hear it speaking to me telling me that’s not true and to correct it. Or when someone is talking to me, instead of thinking of what I want to say next it tells me to shut up and listen to that person and you might actually learn something. It’s also telling me to be genuinely nice to people and not just because social norms compel me. Also not to judge people when you see them, you find how interesting some people really are. I’ve learned this all from listening to JP. If you just try to listen to your conscience like JP is saying, you will find out that your conscience is a fast teacher.
Finally someone explains this. I hope that one day I will have the ability to come to understand my own mind to the point where I can be my own Jorden Peterson.
This video was extremely helpful for me. I'm just going through a rough episode of my life where I'm really questioning my behavior (primarily in terms of communication) and this video pretty much gave me, at least to some extent, an answer to my questions. I am grateful for having found this, although I will still have to work on a lot of things.
I had the exact same experience when I was studying music. I had a split, where one side of we was performing a musical piece as I red it from the score and the other side was observing listening and understanding. It only happened when I was in deep consentration.
all this is good and well said. I had similar thoughts in college and one of my very good friends told me overthinking leads to inaction and secondary thoughts of if's / but's / what / why . just make a plan and lose yourself in action and these worries slowly fade away. I don't know if this is wholly applicable and true but I can sure vouch I am much less distressed or brooding about such things when I am very busy then when I am sitting relaxing. peace y'all.
I love the way he lectures. You can tell how much information he has stored intellectually by the way he uses his hands to pinpoint and express an idea
Ducking Around ya the observer is the one and its same always.. If we notice the observer(awareness, consciousness.. ) never grown with age.. Was same all these years.. Only the other part learned, have feelings grew up from experience..
Profound wisdom here. This is something I learned a few years back, though not as comprehensively as Peterson expressed here. It was perhaps the most powerful force for self improvement.
He's talking about the thinking/analytic mind we develop due to societal conitioning, versus the underlying "instant" and knowing mind that we are born with. It's always in the background, and reaching a state where this underlying mind takes over completely is the foundation of meditational practises. There is already alot of information out there on this, but it's nice to hear someone express their own realizations of it.
I think it's a natural process of ageing and growing into one's authentic self by going truly inwards, observing, analyzing, learning and adjusting. More difficult for some, maybe never to be achieved by others. A never ending journey of growth and gaining insight.
As a Christian it's very heartening to hear that Dr. Peterson is making. A correct observation of the passage is saying that sin is the diagnosis of a disease.
I noticed that Jordan Peterson is very good at controlling arguments with just about everyone. He instead of reacting to whatever someone says. He listens very closely and when they're finished. He stops to think about what he really thinks. Then he speaks precisely to the point.
Not true. Listen to how many times he interrupts Helen Lewis in GQ interview. Precisely to the point? Can you give an example? Potential has this strange existence? What is precise and to the point about that statement?
"Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone, but only to his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind. The more decent he is, the greater the number of such things in his mind." - Dostovesky
I love your authenticity! I agree wholeheartedly with your thought process here. I think everyone has to consciously work at being good, and yes, for some it comes much easier (depending on their temperament).
Sometimes it is worth talking with your emotions, because that is who you really are. Of course, it's not always right, but it would express yourself, rather than logically. Then maybe adjust your emotions with logic to create a new true emotion.
CSG Be careful about "speaking emotionally." What you imply is that you are not speaking the truth. To start with emotion first is backwards... what you ought to do is speak the best version of the truth you know, and emotions come along for the ride so to speak. It's the best way to overcome and process things causing you internal chaos.
I think "truth" can take away the spice of life. If you bring emotion out first, then the honest truth one *feels* in their unfiltered soul, is solid. It doesn't make it objectively true, but it lays out a foundation to work from. It can always be countered with logic, when challenged. Then, when it is challenged correctly, people can learn from that different perspective truth. I think it is rare for someone to research the "truth," so taking a blind shot with emotion about whatever topic is a better starting point. Then adjust it with logic as you go along and create different scenarios that try to continually challenge the previous thought, etc. etc. then we can all stop talking 95% of the time, and can probably agree on something that we both think of at some point to be true. Which I guess causes internal chaos to even begin thinking, but at least the emotion can expose the idea, which can eventually lead to the truth. For instance, I could say, "okay, you're right" and avoid any internal chaos, because I understand what you mean, but I'd rather toss out my idea. Like he said "trouble is more interesting than boring", even though I know I should probably should not say anything, and go on with my day and play with scenarios you can reply with or for what you mean and argue in my head, but..nah. -- But yeah, all I'm saying is that emotion is a good starting point to lead to the "truth." Then the emotions that come with it are just, there. But it sucks, because you have to battle every possible thought that can come to your head that would counter your other thought, and so on which leads to silence. -- Then again sometimes you need instinct to survive, and the raw emotions from fear can save you. -- Eh, never mind forget I said anything.
+CSG I'd like to partially apologize for what I said about speaking with emotion first... there are times when this is useful. Basically, speaking with emotion first is a request for help.. it means there's something you can't figure out logically, but it is too painful or uncomfortable to keep it in. One practice I've been using is this... when I'm talking with someone about something I am passionate about, or something about which I don't feel as certain as I could, I simply change what passionate statement I was going to make into a question. This is actually a decently good way to handle the situation, because a question means you are not speaking with the certainty of truth, imposing your view of the world on the other person. The question also leads to more detailed information and discussion, which will likely bring the interlocutors closer to one another.
People with Narcissistic parents are trained young to do this. They subconsciously pick up that their parents are happier when they hear them put themselves down.
"Stop saying things that make you weak!" Me: Instead of rarely talking I just stop completely! -Personal Power, from now on makes Videos without talking
Personal Power If burning away your dead wood leaves you with 0.0001% of what you had, it's still worth doing. You create a lot of empty space for something new to arise from the ashes. You have no idea how powerful the truth will make you if you try.
Personal Power totally 'new shit' when comes to it yet again deal being to that is or the to question not b...... entertaining me(?) therefor... ditto or sum
Personal Power totally 'new shit' when comes to it yet again deal being to that is or the to question not b...... entertaining me(?) therefor... ditto or sum
_I said, “I will guard my ways, that I may not sin with my tongue; I will guard my mouth with a muzzle, so long as the wicked are in my presence.” I was mute and silent; I held my peace to no avail, and my distress grew worse._
@Jon VC When you burn this dead wood you remove people from your life that will be offended by the removal of this wood. Hence I would add Epicurus to that statement: Those he cannot win over he seeks to keep neutral. Failing this, he either avoids associating with them or forcibly ejects them from his life.
Used to be a communist when I was fourteen, Had this revelation when my teacher who was a socalist was discussing the revolution of farming due to the tractor and how it helped with great advancements trowardes civilization due to labor being less required. And there I was, The tractor gives more people free-hands to do other things it should be amazing! . . . But what about the workers who don't currently have a job? I found my self trying to find arguements to win to make my world-view prevail as the ultimate thing but I had no clue! Is the tractor good for communism breaking the way of life for the lower classes? creating sweat-shops in citys for the rich? Needless to say the fact I was grasping for straws trying to win, Eventually made me look patethic to my inner critic and I started correcting that behaviour, Now I'm a Capitalist who belives in a strong community and strong middleclass to be able to maintain a healthy economy, And self improvement is my main mantra.
116426853786909798816 There's a similar saying I've heard attributed to Germany. "If you're not a communist at age 20 you have no heart. If you are a communist at age 30 you have no brain."
Just listened to one minute of this man's speech and i can tell ive done the same and ive started listening to the other voice and my poems have become much much original than probably of my age.
How would one, instead of regurgitating, make use of a source in a conversation (like a Jordan Peterson lecture for instance)? I struggle with this personally as I find many of his ideas convincing and worth passing on, but I feel like a charlatan even though I preface my submission to the conversation by "... the professor Jordan Peterson said that: ...". My inner voice has never been particularly nice to me, and on these things I absolutely destroy myself.
Maybe I am mistaken but it seems to me that what you are doing when using a source this way is something that is called appeal to authority. A good idea should stand by itself, it does not need namedropping. I don't understand why you would need to use a source to present an idea or a concept. If you like the idea and understand it, you can explain it in your own words. If you can't explain it in your own words, I suggest exploring the idea until you can. One example of when I think referring to someone in this manner is when you want to discuss a particular statement of person when you do not necessarily agree with the statement but are interested in discussing the statement.
InqWiper Agreed, if something is of self evident value to you, be honest and say that! "One idea I've been testing out in my life is X, and here's what happened." You are your own anecdotal evidence.
EveryDayIsAGoodDay well said. Everyone is different- so goes the way they learn, retain and explain differently as well. Trying different approaches until something works is a good suggestion. Peace.
“We don’t know what processes of physiological alignment are necessary for you to speak from the core of your being. But I believe you can feel that.” To answer u would have to know either what the core of your being is or know the opposite.. what u are not. Brilliant truth of the struggle of our times...
Could somebody explain to me what he means with "weak"? With "Stop saying things that make you weak" I think of downtalking oneself, but I suppose that´s not what he means, or?
I took it as things you don't fully believe or like to say yourself. My own negative thoughts about the things I say make me weak when I don't like what I am saying.
Your brain watches you and the more you retreat from “your conscience” the lower it places you on the dominance hierarchy. In turn, your brain chemistry changes along with it.. then your body language. So on and so forth.
Speaking truth takes few words, like when God speaks, He says, "Go." or "I AM that I AM." so "A truly wise person uses few words" Proverbs 17:27 Most people babel on trying to give an image they have wisdom.
I apply this rule to my behavior also. I’ve caught myself nervously smiling, or allowing others to speak over me, or not speaking up. It’s a rule that can be applied to so many areas in behavior.
Yes we need to get in harmony with our real self. In the Bhagavad Gita Krishna says the real self is a fragment of Him and has all of His qualities but in minute quantity. Those qualities are that we are eternal , full of knowledge, and blissful. By fully surrendering to Him, who is in our heart, and also outside, we can fully overcome our weaknesses. As Lord Jesus has said "Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
Wow he articulated exactly what I couldn't conceptualize. I'm basically where he was at in terms of not saying what makes you weak. And might not of realized it for years if it hadn't been for this video.
I went through this in my early 20's. It changed my life immeasurably when I stopped parroting without understanding or supporting with evidence. I could hear myself, exactly as he described. This is why I'm adamant that talking is so important to discovering how we really feel about something: we can hear our own doubt and bullshit. It's also why we should be allowed to verbalise a thought without fear of recrimination, as fear of speaking inhibits understanding.
Could you elaborate on how you proceeded? I'm currently 20 y/o and have trouble putting his words into action. I feel exactly as he described, the two parts of me that keep watching each other.
David Barber same here.
What I do when I hear my self doubt is start a discussion with it. For example if I think while talking "what you're saying is bullshit" I then ask "what do you really think,and why?" And I keep going until i'm satisfied. Science and philosophy really helped me with making sense of what I felt.
"we can hear our own doubt and bullshit" well said.
Glad I found this video and comment today. I’m in my mid 30’s and I’m feeling this way as well. 8 months ago I started a vlog channel sharing my life with people. This problem I have that Jordan speaking of has caused me some issues. The first way to fixing this I would assume is by realizing your problem.
trouble is better than boring is a concept both Dostoevsky and my girlfriend know really well
I'd say women in general...
topgum Great observation
As does hisoka
That's totally accurate.
topgum could it be possible your girlfriend is creating trouble because she wants to awaken you, she wants you on your path , she doesn't want you lazy and stagnant. Sometimes women create trouble because they also dont feel loved. And sometimes they are just fukn insane. Lol
From 4:00 to end
“ if you don’t push yourself to the limits, there will be a lot of energy and will power to cause trouble so your mind can have something to solve”.
what's this mean? in simple way
@@FM-to3gyThat you have to use your energy in some productive way or else it will find its own release in a destructive way
I totally agree. I tend to worry myself a lot while I am not busy with something.
@@IramCoercere thru negativity, yes happens to me a lot. That's why I'm practicing self discipline.
This guy is my modern-day practical philosopher, my guide to understanding myself and my surrounding so much better!!!
Aramazd Khabayan I was literally just thinking this as I was scrolling through the comments and found yours
Ive never heard anyone speak so practically and truthfully about understanding our psyches. I owe Dr Peterson a priceless debt for how hes changed my perspective and made me question everything I think I know about myself.
I would call him a modern-day existentialist.
I binge on him and Noam Chomsky. Chomsky may scare people with his politics, but his study of economic systems and linguistics is pretty scary. It's dead on. Anyone should read at least that about him before casting him off.
It's funny that the right is now basically parroting his talking points in _Manufacturing Consent_, while the left is denying it.
(Oh, and my man Peter Hitchens! Great conservative arguments from him)
Wow hearing him say he doesn’t think he’s naturally a good person and that he has to work at it really stood out to me. I feel the exact same way about myself at times
@Harry Abma you beat me to it. There's a great difference between nice and good. Nietzsche talked about that all the time. A man who is not capable of evil is not good but a man who is capable and holds back certainly is. Good is a synonym to strong
How are you a killer?
@@blacktortoise6812 how are you a strawmanner
@@MsZsc lmao
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The thing I enjoy about Peterson as a new listener is that listening to him, and I don't mean as an insult, it sounds like a train of association. He doesn't seem to make eye contact, he talks looking down or eyes closed, he carefully considers what he says and he speaks precisely, and he goes on short rabbit trails, so when I listen to him I feel I'm getting the rock bottom truth and I'd better listen because I won't be hearing it the same way again.
Michael Zaloom dumbest shit I've ever heard how the hell does looking down effect his philosophy?
kid of notion I think he's saying that the way Jordan Peterson talks while looking down, etc makes his presentation feel like "the rock bottom truth"
I don't think that has any effect on his philosophy, just his presentation of it.
Michael Zaloom
I appreciate that too, pure thought, no embellishments.
Hate to tell you but he always makes eye contact. He's looking at the front row of the crowd. Watch his class lectures. He also is always looking and speaking at someone.
[it sounds like a train of association]
Dr Peterson is striving to TELL YOU WHAT HE THINKS.
He descibes in an interview that he realized that he had all this experience and education, plus understanding from all the human interaction in a clinical psychology setting and there were all these problems in the Word because ppl didn't understand what was happening to them.
The Interviewer asked what he was going to do about it? And he replied.
*"I say what I think"*
'Happiness is when what you say, what you do and what you think are in harmony.' - Mahatma Gandhi
Gandhi can't have been happy then, what he said and what he did were not in harmony. "No Mrs Ghandi you mustn't use the western medicine!"
I'd like to imagine that's what a school shooter says when they are truly happy. Saying thinking and committing.
I’ve never heard this quote. Just blew my mind a little...honestly.
@@lolwtnick4362 then be happy for them or despise them
TranscendentLion congruency is key. Without are you having a turmoil
me: Wow... this is amazing... this happens to me all the time
me: *my thoughts exactly*
i love this underrated comment
Lmfao there's always that perfect UA-cam comment on each video that makes me laugh out loud in such a genuine manner. Thank you random person on the Internet
Lmao
XD
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yes XD
I think of all the things Peterson has talked about, this was the single most powerful revelation in my life. Ever since I took this advice to heart, not only have I stopped feeling weak, but my words appear to be causing the world to reorient itself tiny bit by bit.
Sidebar: I'm surprised Peterson didn't point out that one of the alternate definitions for "true" is something like "properly aligned." Eg "the arrow flew true to its target."
Jon VC Can you give me an example of something that makes you weak? I'm having trouble with this concept. I have an idea of what it means, but exactly what kind of weakness here confuses me.
Any lie that you tell which you then choose to embody makes you weak. Cowardice is one such lie that I recently won a huge victory against.
Cowardice works as follows: First, there's something you know you ought to do, because it is good and proper that you do so. Ask out the cute girl at work, tell a friend they are doing damage to themselves, or have a talk with a family member who is struggling. The lie is embodied in inaction, and the lie is something along the lines of, "I'd probably be worse off and it wouldn't really do any good anyway."
My recent victory was in the first scenario. Turns out the girl at work had a boyfriend, probably the outcome I imagined was 90% likely. How is that not a loss for me? Well firstly, just approaching her was a heroic action, leading me to think things like "is this really me? I didn't know I was this brave." Secondly, I came to realize that nothing really bad happened. Thirdly, now that the truth has been spoken, I don't have to bloody wonder every time I see her what might happen. Fourthly, maybe this girl wasn't aware of my interest, and she will now consider why she's been with the same guy forever with nary a ring on her finger, which would probably benefit her at the least (she looks for someone who sweeps her off her feet like she deserves).
So yes, this was a major victory in making myself more brave. It all started by seeing myself say something like, "It'd be ok if I never..." and then call myself on that lie.
But what ARE those things that make you weak? I'm not sure how to start if I don't know what to cut out...
JediNiyte Like Peterson says, start examining what you have been saying. Watch for things that make you think: 1 that's not true, 2 you don't mean that, 3 that's not your idea.
Basically watch how you speak and act in most situations, and see if you tried to weasel out of fully and forthrightly confronting the situation. It's a long process trying to find your alignment, start with the things most obviously wrong.
One thing I've been incorporating lately is eliminating any actions which needlessly tear someone else down. Usually this means my ideas are too weak to stand near others.
Jon VC - In addition to your first point "that's not true" I would also say to watch for things that are, as Jordan Peterson puts it, _false truths_. Namely those things that are technically true but your habitual language patterns when talking or thinking about the situation undermine your own strength or place you as a victim rather than just an unwilling participant.
I know it sounds like new-agey self-help advice but addressing self defeating language patterns and replacing them with empowering language patterns can go a long way to improving yourself. Just don't delude yourself, just lean slightly to the more positive side of the truth rather than either extreme.
"You're not the body. You're not the mind. You're just the watcher."
Osho
that's deep af
The power of now?
Snake oil salesman
Dont fully understand it. What do u think it means?
The body and the mind are necessary for there to even be a watcher. Who's to say were not all three?
I pray we all grow financially, mentally and emotionally stronger this year! 💪🙏 Best wishes to everybody ☺️
My 2 cents in the pond: I recently started being firm and assertive and when I do it I can literally feel some kind of dopamine inside me that says "yes. you passed this test and took the right road".
like JP says, hard to explain/ articulate that. 🙏🏾
Dopamine or feeling of fulfillment and genuinity from aligning your truth to your actions/words. I feel that too!
yes
I just had a wonderfully productive conversation with my close friend and this video popped up in my feed. I think it was the first time that I was truly honest with him about what I believe. As Jordan says, it was a huge relief to no longer have that kind of cognitive dissonance between what I say and what I really think. It was nice to hear him put it so eloquently
Joseph Baron I had the exact same event happen to me lol, one night I got to talking with a friend about all of this, or something similar anyway, and it exposes to yourself what your ideals are vs. what you say and what your motives are. You’re right to say it is a sort of cognitive dissonance, best way I could label this problem. Two conflicting ideas, with an inability to side with one or the other. Feels like you’re always bullshitting yourself.
I do this all the time, it's terrible. Everything I do or say I analise and judge myself on. I'll realize when I feel weak and ill think to myself "people are noticing your weakness, they aren't buying this".
someone who relates!! I have social anxiety and I work on it everyday, it’s truly a bitch.
Social anxiety is just a word. Stop labeling your self
@RC to RC
@@powerstuffup social anxiety is a clinical diagnosis. Did you know that?
@@miriyumyum3590 mumbo jumbo
"trouble is more interesting than boring". Not the most eloquent words JP has ever said, but it sums up what I did in the winter of 2014/15. I've finally realized the actual cause of all my inner turmoil. Thank God. Now I can work at it and interest myself with perpetual challenge
If I give up talking shite 99% of the time........ it's going to be even longer days at work .
I've whittled myself down to only a fraction of the shit talk I used to produce. It can be very hard not shit talking, but after I realized how feminine it is to bitch about shit instead of fix it, I straightened up.
Thomas this is late, but, that's funny! I thought and went through the same thing at work, but, it eventually sorted itself out.
Ok that was funny....
I love shite talk
The seeming length of the day is due to two things. One, how active you keep your mind and imagination once you can do the job without much, if any conscious thought. And two, how busy doing the job you really are.
The second depends on the kind of job and how much need there is for the job itself. The more needed it is, the busier and less long the day will seem.
The less there is to actually physically (or mentally) do, the longer the day will seem. It's a sort of conundrum, really, because this all also depends on how much you like the job. If you hate it, time will seem to slow down. If you enjoy it time will seem to be moving normally, or a bit faster than expected. If you love the job, time spent doing it will seem to fly by.
Perspective is important in art. It's as important, if not more, in day to day life. Each of those "selves" he speaks of in this video is a perspective on something. Poor perspective makes the view from it difficult or impossible to see what it is you're trying to see.
Try keeping all that verbal commentary to yourself for extended periods while trying to think of better, more important, more applicable things to say. That will help the interminable days pass at least a bit more quickly.
Why're you all watching this when you need to clean your room?
Get yourselves sorted out, bucko.
Hahahhaha :D
room always clean
Micah actually I put on Jordan Peterson while I do house chores lol, get two birds stoned at once!
Micah. Me bitch does my cleaning
Micah gonna get up now and build a shelf so the chickens stop shitting on the bird food containers
This dude is thinking deep...dissecting the scriptures while relating that to other text to find meaning...🤯👌brilliant
This advice of his made me speak a lot more as an introvert...my words started to have backbone and I started to kind of enjoy speaking, well not that I won't get tired but it's a lot easier to speak when it is from your own being
“Trouble is more interesting than boring” that’s probably why my ex left me for another guy
Because you're boring?
Go monk its better for you
Thats rough buddy
What a brilliant man
I’m having literally the same exact predicament right now, and it’s very contradicting. It leaves you in the middle, unable to identify yourself
Our projected fears and emotions are never received by anyone.
Everyone has their own.
I like to listen to Peterson while working out at home with my dumbbells and pull up bar. It really fits well together
Working out the mind and the body. Nothing wrong with that.
That honestly is incredibly smart! You not only save time (get closer to your goals,) but also motivate yourself. And as TheOffenda said, it *is* working you out mentally and physically. For some reason your comment gave me a lot of inspiration!
That's what I do. Bettering the mind and body all at once.
Dont half ass two things, whole ass one. And start squatting.
I'd rather get something done than nothing. Most people in my situation would be alcoholics, instead, I fight.
Im shocked, since last year Ive been experiencing exactly what you described. Being 23, most of what i would have to say are not useful and may cause disturbance, especially when analysing life, society and politics. Ive always been introvert and quiet, sometimes too much, but now I see that shutting my mouth and cultivating purposeful thoughts are giving me peace and it’s the path that can guide me into maturity and wisdom. Thank you for organizing and teaching such life lessons.
It happened to me too I felt like that when I was talking to friends and sometimes to be agreeable or to not to offend people my words change or bend and then I feel like my inner judge is judging while i talk and i felt off..but when I talked to my husband I can only speak honestly and I felt just like what he described aligned and I can feel how my inner judge gives me peace and comfort. Since then i try to become more aware of this feeling I can't go back to my old habit..I just only speak what is in my heart and the truth as i see it which changed everything. And it gave me more courage to bare everything to my husband to anybody who is close to me and it just made me closer to them. As if now I always have to answer to that inner judge in me whether what I am doing or thinking is right. This makes us aware and more responsible of our own actions. And I realized that doing our best to do what we think is right all the time we have a chance gives us peace inside. We cannot control anything ..good and bad things will happen to us but the only thing we can control is our actions.
Peterson's candour is so endearing - he's a lovable guy.
He does blather on though.
His hand gestures and the deep shade over his eyes make him look like a ninja
Flamed65 I am the senate!
My god, your avatar
He is a ninja
As well
He's the deep thought ninja. You can see it when he stops speaking to find a precise way to verbalize the thought he is trying to get across.
Put it on 2x speed, mute the video and play Eye of the Tiger...now he's a ninja!
Colleges hate him, students love him, Jordan Peterson everybody!
Dude this guy know things. There's no simpler way to put it.
He's a pretty normal guy that has a huge passion for increasing his understanding. I hope there's allot more like him that we don't notice going about our daily lives.
I honestly thought this sort of discourse was dead; it's incredibly refreshing to listen to this man speak.
Knowing I'm not the only one with an inner voice that is giving me shit every time I try and be myself, it means a lot to me.
It's the cause of much of my anxiety issues is this voice that tells me that I can't be or shouldn't be a friendly, outgoing person that isn't scared of speaking in public. I'm unable to brush off publicly awkward situations without starting to sweat and stuff because in a millisecond it would kick into my conscience, disappear, but the damage had already been done. No matter what I do consciously to keep it at bay, I always fail.
StandAloneState Personally, I believe admitting out loud to yourself that you need help, hopefully reassures you and comforts you. This is the beginning of wisdom. God bless.
Thank you.
Just commit to it and move on, You must visual yourself on how can you improve yourself and commit to it no matter what and you will be just fine. At the end of the day we are always fine whatever things we are doing
I want a teacher like this.Watching 3 videos of him taught me more things than 10 years of state education did.
Right, the balancing opposite here would be not to completely stop talking. I recognise scrutinising everything I say, concluding I have nothing of value to add, so I'll just shut my mouth, but that's not quite right either. Maybe I'm coming from the opposing part of the spectrum, but what helped me was exactly speak out more. Aligning your deepest being with what you say can also mean just speaking the truth you don't easily dare to speak. Not speaking your mind at all is another pitfall. The guilt of not being open and honest sure as hell feels weak.
He's saying that you should only say things that you know to be true - from within yourself. Don't regurgitate other peoples' opinions, figure out your own truthfully and then speak them.
He doesn't say to stop talking, only that when you stop regurgitating other people's thoughts that you haven't actually taken ownership of, usually you will have very little to say.
Vincent Jacobs I know what you mean, and I think the process of being a good self critic actually emboldens you to speak out more. It worked really well for me, it helped me overcome social anxiety.
In chess, every move has a purpose, every move is a direct step to winning.
In the same way, JBP is saying you should have a direct reason for speaking. He's not saying don't speak, he's saying make every word have purpose.
@@hieronymushumble5716 I hope you can help me in there.
What does he mean whe he sais "I would go with te critic" he goes with the normal or with the neutral watcher??
@@lkblogger3307 He goes with the critic. This is why he had to stop saying most of what he was saying.
He is so transparent and honest. Love him.
Today, I cleaned my room.
Misread as "cleaned my mom"
Well done!
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if you were doing it to get some praise you’ve already missed the point
I will make a strong effort to observe the things I say.
That happened to me at 30. Calling out your own bullshit is healthy. 90% of the time we are talking for the sake of it. He's talking about the rising of self awareness in himself. A separation of soul and ego. When you do this life gets out of your way and guides you. People have no power over you. You are free.
We would never allow someone to say negative things to our best friend......why should we allow ourselves to speak negative self-talk to ourselves. We need to be our own best friend. We deserve the best for our selves. Next time you catch yourself thinking negative self talk.....STOP! and change it to the opposite POSITIVE Self-Talk. You will be amazed at how healthy and therapeutic it will BECOME. God Bless EVERYONE out here.
The observer has been noted for centuries by Zen Buddhists.
We aren't aware of it until it needs to speak to us. Otherwise, it merely gives us hints when we stray from the right path, since the observer is also a judge.
I had the same thing happen when I read when helping you is hurting me because the author suggested not pleasing, giving, rescuing, teaching, crusading, counselling and one more thing for a week and I had very little to say. That was when I started to listen a lot more.
My self-depricating humor doesn't help me. It hurts me.
Brent Loy i disagree. It helps keep us humble
@@mord0 I guess there is a balance buy you gotta admit, that kind of humor done consistently really comes across bad
@@brentloy131 it's degrading to yourself
Brent Loy I used to do it all the time & it's not a good thing unless you are actually joking but even then
It's repulsive if done often
I feel like Dr. Jordan Peterson is a blessing on this world. I feel like he describes so many complex things into something most of us can understand much easier. But you can't just listen to him passively to understand these things, you have to listen with open ears and eyes to really delve into what he's saying and imagine the things he's talking about, that's where you get the most from listening to Jordan. He's a great teacher and you can tell that he really loves helping people. Bless his heart, what a wonderful man.
Brilliant - I am grateful that I took classes taught by Professor Peterson
I’m going through this burning off dead wood. It’s only been a few weeks but it feels real good and I can’t wait to see how much better it gets. It amazing what happens when you shut up and actually listen to yourself. It’s like my brain has been talking over my conscience all my life while my conscience has been watching and waiting patiently. Waiting for the moment to say “ Are you done with all this manic behavior and fed up with all this stress, anxiety and general depression? Now I’m going to teach you how to truly be someone”. Now when I speak an untruth like embellishing a story I hear it speaking to me telling me that’s not true and to correct it. Or when someone is talking to me, instead of thinking of what I want to say next it tells me to shut up and listen to that person and you might actually learn something. It’s also telling me to be genuinely nice to people and not just because social norms compel me. Also not to judge people when you see them, you find how interesting some people really are. I’ve learned this all from listening to JP. If you just try to listen to your conscience like JP is saying, you will find out that your conscience is a fast teacher.
Jordan Peterson is a very kinesthetic person. The gestures, the looking off, the visualization of non-physical ideas.
Finally someone explains this.
I hope that one day I will have the ability to come to understand my own mind to the point where I can be my own Jorden Peterson.
This video was extremely helpful for me. I'm just going through a rough episode of my life where I'm really questioning my behavior (primarily in terms of communication) and this video pretty much gave me, at least to some extent, an answer to my questions. I am grateful for having found this, although I will still have to work on a lot of things.
I had the exact same experience when I was studying music. I had a split, where one side of we was performing a musical piece as I red it from the score and the other side was observing listening and understanding. It only happened when I was in deep consentration.
BIG YES!
Dude this is great. Thank you for articulating it so well
I experienced the same thing many years before I heard about JP. I had never heard anyone else talk about the "two yous" so to speak.
all this is good and well said. I had similar thoughts in college and one of my very good friends told me overthinking leads to inaction and secondary thoughts of if's / but's / what / why . just make a plan and lose yourself in action and these worries slowly fade away. I don't know if this is wholly applicable and true but I can sure vouch I am much less distressed or brooding about such things when I am very busy then when I am sitting relaxing. peace y'all.
I love the way he lectures. You can tell how much information he has stored intellectually by the way he uses his hands to pinpoint and express an idea
Very accurate. That was me growing up.
I had another version of me looking at me and others and evaluating what I am saying and doing.
Just accurate!
“If that 5% is solid, then maybe that’s exactly what you want to happen “. Prudent thinking for imprudent times.
It sounds like he is talking about ego vs self
Ducking Around in a sense
He's talking about Self. This idea as old as David Hume.
That’s quite an oversimplification.
Yeah Eckhart Tolle like
Ducking Around ya the observer is the one and its same always.. If we notice the observer(awareness, consciousness.. ) never grown with age.. Was same all these years.. Only the other part learned, have feelings grew up from experience..
Absolute blessing to have at least one intellectual talking about the truth
Peterson: "resentment and hatred have self-righteousness with them!"
This dude happened to me this month, found him right when I most needed to hear him.
Peterson had a spiritual awakening. He has unlocked his mind from the ego.
Unbelievably well put Jordan, thank you.
Profound wisdom here. This is something I learned a few years back, though not as comprehensively as Peterson expressed here. It was perhaps the most powerful force for self improvement.
He's talking about the thinking/analytic mind we develop due to societal conitioning, versus the underlying "instant" and knowing mind that we are born with. It's always in the background, and reaching a state where this underlying mind takes over completely is the foundation of meditational practises. There is already alot of information out there on this, but it's nice to hear someone express their own realizations of it.
Haakon Gran have you listened to Neville Goddard? He explains this
No, but I definitely will! Any videos in particular?
I want an intellectual pastor like Jordan Peterson.
I think it's a natural process of ageing and growing into one's authentic self by going truly inwards, observing, analyzing, learning and adjusting. More difficult for some, maybe never to be achieved by others. A never ending journey of growth and gaining insight.
As a Christian it's very heartening to hear that Dr. Peterson is making. A correct observation of the passage is saying that sin is the diagnosis of a disease.
Spooper
No, sin is a moth that lives in the South American rainforests.
You are changing my life for the better. Thank you Jordan Peterson.
That part of you which is listening is called in Greek
Νους or Nous. The Church Fathers write a lot about it.
I noticed that Jordan Peterson is very good at controlling arguments with just about everyone. He instead of reacting to whatever someone says. He listens very closely and when they're finished. He stops to think about what he really thinks. Then he speaks precisely to the point.
Not true. Listen to how many times he interrupts Helen Lewis in GQ interview. Precisely to the point? Can you give an example? Potential has this strange existence? What is precise and to the point about that statement?
"Split in my psyche" takes off his wedding ring ...lol. 0:08
Yikes, good observation of the subconscious at work 🤙
@Mafaman his wife has cancer and I believe he is taking on her pain as well as his potential grief from her loss
@Mafaman severe autoimmune issues which he also has and both alleviated eating the carnivore diet
"Every man has reminiscences which he would not tell to everyone, but only to his friends. He has other matters in his mind which he would not reveal even to his friends, but only to himself, and that in secret. But there are other things which a man is afraid to tell even to himself, and every decent man has a number of such things stored away in his mind. The more decent he is, the greater the number of such things in his mind." - Dostovesky
1:26 He wanted to say "that's BS" but he changed his mind the last second XD
I love your authenticity! I agree wholeheartedly with your thought process here. I think everyone has to consciously work at being good, and yes, for some it comes much easier (depending on their temperament).
Sometimes it is worth talking with your emotions, because that is who you really are. Of course, it's not always right, but it would express yourself, rather than logically. Then maybe adjust your emotions with logic to create a new true emotion.
CSG in equalent ref terms, reccon.
CSG Be careful about "speaking emotionally." What you imply is that you are not speaking the truth. To start with emotion first is backwards... what you ought to do is speak the best version of the truth you know, and emotions come along for the ride so to speak. It's the best way to overcome and process things causing you internal chaos.
I think "truth" can take away the spice of life. If you bring emotion out first, then the honest truth one *feels* in their unfiltered soul, is solid. It doesn't make it objectively true, but it lays out a foundation to work from. It can always be countered with logic, when challenged. Then, when it is challenged correctly, people can learn from that different perspective truth. I think it is rare for someone to research the "truth," so taking a blind shot with emotion about whatever topic is a better starting point. Then adjust it with logic as you go along and create different scenarios that try to continually challenge the previous thought, etc. etc. then we can all stop talking 95% of the time, and can probably agree on something that we both think of at some point to be true. Which I guess causes internal chaos to even begin thinking, but at least the emotion can expose the idea, which can eventually lead to the truth.
For instance, I could say, "okay, you're right" and avoid any internal chaos, because I understand what you mean, but I'd rather toss out my idea. Like he said "trouble is more interesting than boring", even though I know I should probably should not say anything, and go on with my day and play with scenarios you can reply with or for what you mean and argue in my head, but..nah.
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But yeah, all I'm saying is that emotion is a good starting point to lead to the "truth." Then the emotions that come with it are just, there. But it sucks, because you have to battle every possible thought that can come to your head that would counter your other thought, and so on which leads to silence.
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Then again sometimes you need instinct to survive, and the raw emotions from fear can save you.
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Eh, never mind forget I said anything.
+CSG
I'd like to partially apologize for what I said about speaking with emotion first... there are times when this is useful. Basically, speaking with emotion first is a request for help.. it means there's something you can't figure out logically, but it is too painful or uncomfortable to keep it in. One practice I've been using is this... when I'm talking with someone about something I am passionate about, or something about which I don't feel as certain as I could, I simply change what passionate statement I was going to make into a question. This is actually a decently good way to handle the situation, because a question means you are not speaking with the certainty of truth, imposing your view of the world on the other person. The question also leads to more detailed information and discussion, which will likely bring the interlocutors closer to one another.
I already did both , I guess you have to choose one and commit to it no matter what
Dr. Peterson has woken me up. He hits the nail right on the head again and again. So articulate.
This reminds me Eckhart Tolle teachings about Presence: "you are not your mind."
People with Narcissistic parents are trained young to do this. They subconsciously pick up that their parents are happier when they hear them put themselves down.
"Stop saying things that make you weak!"
Me: Instead of rarely talking I just stop completely!
-Personal Power, from now on makes Videos without talking
Personal Power If burning away your dead wood leaves you with 0.0001% of what you had, it's still worth doing. You create a lot of empty space for something new to arise from the ashes.
You have no idea how powerful the truth will make you if you try.
Personal Power totally 'new shit' when comes to it yet again deal being to that is or the to question not b...... entertaining me(?)
therefor... ditto or sum
Personal Power totally 'new shit' when comes to it yet again deal being to that is or the to question not b...... entertaining me(?)
therefor... ditto or sum
_I said, “I will guard my ways, that I may not sin with my tongue; I will guard my mouth with a muzzle, so long as the wicked are in my presence.” I was mute and silent; I held my peace to no avail, and my distress grew worse._
@Jon VC
When you burn this dead wood you remove people from your life that will be offended by the removal of this wood. Hence I would add Epicurus to that statement: Those he cannot win over he seeks to keep neutral. Failing this, he either avoids associating with them or forcibly ejects them from his life.
He just described why ppl troll
Used to be a communist when I was fourteen, Had this revelation when my teacher who was a socalist was discussing the revolution of farming due to the tractor and how it helped with great advancements trowardes civilization due to labor being less required.
And there I was, The tractor gives more people free-hands to do other things it should be amazing! . . . But what about the workers who don't currently have a job?
I found my self trying to find arguements to win to make my world-view prevail as the ultimate thing but I had no clue! Is the tractor good for communism breaking the way of life for the lower classes? creating sweat-shops in citys for the rich?
Needless to say the fact I was grasping for straws trying to win, Eventually made me look patethic to my inner critic and I started correcting that behaviour, Now I'm a Capitalist who belives in a strong community and strong middleclass to be able to maintain a healthy economy, And self improvement is my main mantra.
Ancient Arts confront your belief with the contrary and you will wake up a better man
exactly what you did
There's a famous quote (author unknown): If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain
116426853786909798816 There's a similar saying I've heard attributed to Germany. "If you're not a communist at age 20 you have no heart. If you are a communist at age 30 you have no brain."
Maybe it wasn't originally his, not sure, but that was famously said by W. Churchill.
P.S. Shoutout to all the heartless bastards.
Ancient Arts Dude I went through a phase like that except with religion
For some reason it’s comforting to hear such a wise man speak. What a compelling speaker he is
Good command of thought. Hardly any um and uhs
We all wrestle with our own demons in life. Never let them win ! Stay on the high road & be humble !
I like how he attempts to move through his thoughts and ideas three dimensionally. this to me is full engagement.
In the most convulted way he just said the devil makes work for idle hands lol
Just listened to one minute of this man's speech and i can tell ive done the same and ive started listening to the other voice and my poems have become much much original than probably of my age.
How would one, instead of regurgitating, make use of a source in a conversation (like a Jordan Peterson lecture for instance)?
I struggle with this personally as I find many of his ideas convincing and worth passing on, but I feel like a charlatan even though I preface my submission to the conversation by "... the professor Jordan Peterson said that: ...". My inner voice has never been particularly nice to me, and on these things I absolutely destroy myself.
Maybe I am mistaken but it seems to me that what you are doing when using a source this way is something that is called appeal to authority. A good idea should stand by itself, it does not need namedropping. I don't understand why you would need to use a source to present an idea or a concept. If you like the idea and understand it, you can explain it in your own words. If you can't explain it in your own words, I suggest exploring the idea until you can.
One example of when I think referring to someone in this manner is when you want to discuss a particular statement of person when you do not necessarily agree with the statement but are interested in discussing the statement.
InqWiper Agreed, if something is of self evident value to you, be honest and say that! "One idea I've been testing out in my life is X, and here's what happened." You are your own anecdotal evidence.
EveryDayIsAGoodDay well said. Everyone is different- so goes the way they learn, retain and explain differently as well. Trying different approaches until something works is a good suggestion. Peace.
“We don’t know what processes of physiological alignment are necessary for you to speak from the core of your being. But I believe you can feel that.”
To answer u would have to know either what the core of your being is or know the opposite..
what u are not.
Brilliant truth of the struggle of our times...
Makes me wonder if I should discount 95% of what he has said in the past.
Thanks for the subtitles!! Keep the good work
Amazing. Full speech?
What does not make us weak is speaking and acting from the core of our being. Nice. Thanks Jordan.
Jordan Peterson: Stop saying things that make you weak.
Shazam: but...
Peterson: I said stop it!
i love jordan peterson. people need to take time and listen to him
Could somebody explain to me what he means with "weak"? With "Stop saying things that make you weak" I think of downtalking oneself, but I suppose that´s not what he means, or?
I took it as things you don't fully believe or like to say yourself. My own negative thoughts about the things I say make me weak when I don't like what I am saying.
Exactly ^
Saying things which you know are not true destroys your integrity...it breaks you down and makes you weak.
I can’t believe I did that. I’m an idiot. I’m sure you said that to yourself a few times. But we forget to say things like Nice Job you nailed it!
Your brain watches you and the more you retreat from “your conscience” the lower it places you on the dominance hierarchy. In turn, your brain chemistry changes along with it.. then your body language. So on and so forth.
There's a certain comfort that arises after watching these videos over a period of time.
I am learning English here. I dont fully understand what this speech is about. Could someone please summarize the main points for me.
Speaking truth takes few words, like when God speaks, He says, "Go." or "I AM that I AM."
so "A truly wise person uses few words" Proverbs 17:27
Most people babel on trying to give an image they have wisdom.
In essence, "Clean your room."
I apply this rule to my behavior also. I’ve caught myself nervously smiling, or allowing others to speak over me, or not speaking up. It’s a rule that can be applied to so many areas in behavior.
Yes we need to get in harmony with our real self. In the Bhagavad Gita Krishna says the real self is a fragment of Him and has all of His qualities but in minute quantity. Those qualities are that we are eternal , full of knowledge, and blissful.
By fully surrendering to Him, who is in our heart, and also outside, we can fully overcome our weaknesses. As Lord Jesus has said "Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
Wow he articulated exactly what I couldn't conceptualize. I'm basically where he was at in terms of not saying what makes you weak. And might not of realized it for years if it hadn't been for this video.