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About his explanations regarding depression . . . they're the most comprehensive and therefore the best i've ever heard. I can see my life situation more clearly thanks to him. None of the therapists i've worked with have even come close to his level of understanding. And that includes several psychiatrists. It's tragic. Modern medicine is a business in cahoots with big pharma.
I seldom agree with Jordan Peterson but on this subject I do. Long story cut as short as possible: I'm a 67-year old male. I have been diagnosed with various auto-immune disorders starting at the age of 6 and continuing throughout my life. I was diagnosed with Mast Cell Activation Disorder (MCAD) 12-years ago which caused me to live in a bubble. I was diagnosed with Complex-Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD) 5-years ago due to 13-years of continuous child abuse. Most recently, my Neurologist believes I have Parkinson's Dementia. I have researched all of this 'stuff' extensively and found the C-PTSD could be the root of all my problems but also I may have a genetic defect causing the physical health issues or it might be .... ? Basically, I'm caught in a 'chicken & egg' situation not knowing which came first ... hahaha ... and should be seriously depressed. I'm Canadian and have had a great medical team addressing my physical illnesses and I have a great Psychologist treating my mental health illness but there is a huge wall between both health units. My medical team are so busy they have no time to listen to my mental health issues and visa versa. I believe this is what Jordan was trying to say but his bombastic rhetoric kept getting in the way. 👋😎 My 2-nickels eh (no cents anymore)
Thoughts will manifest based on your self perception, so negative thoughts will manifest into depression. Low self worth is our enemy and being introspective to explore yourself and who you are will help you build toward more positive thoughts. What are my abilities and what peaks my interest or makes me feel good about myself. It can be a conundrum for sure, but it starts with self acceptance. I have Autism/ADHD and every day is a journey every transition in my day is a process so it helps to have positive self reflection so you can get the validation from people in your life. I mostly agree with the explanation he gives as it makes sense the way it's explained. 👻🤪🌶🤘😎♾️
@@tomthumb3994 from what i remember hearing yes he was. But not your typical street addict. He was addicted to a particular prescription medication that was supposed to help him with an ailment. But it didn't. Of course there are folks who have no sympathy whatsoever for any addict. Whether they rot on the street homeless. Or if they have enough money for expensive treatment. Jordy is one of the latter.
I was depressed from 15 to 23ish. Now 33, I can tell you that the cause of my depression was not being well socialized for the environment I was in. Being from a small town, with parents who didn't have many friends if any, crazy mom, quiet dad. I never learned how to properly fit in, make friends and/or a romantic partner. I was depressed because I thought the problem was me and I didn't have the tools and experience needed. Classic "left behind" kid who grew up poorly socialized. I had to relearn (adapt) how to socialize and my depression went away when I worked full time and had more opportunities to socialize and be a part of a friend group.
i know what you talk about... i left home at 15. .single mother.. who shut down ...basically when i was 10 yrs old... i was clueless to being out in the world...i too had to learn so much .. the HARD WAY
@@Being_Joe I was cursed with 135 IQ which made it really difficult to find friends that I was able to be on equal intellectual levels. I loved strategy games because I always won against people my age and even my older cousins struggled or lost against me from a young age. Being "good" at learning skills/knowledge faster than others made me not liked by my peers, making me socially inept over time even though I'm otherwise very intelligent, in my teens I was a nightmare and still had no friends due to being awkward and scared to talk to others because I saw myself as an outcast. In the same way that being dominated by me at a game made them avoid playing me again, I did the same thing when I felt weak, I avoided it, furthering my social retardation (it's used correctly here!) I learned and outgrew stuff faster than others, leading to me not learning good work habits for success later on. What turned it all around was making good decisions. I lost weight, got in ok shape, went back to school, was older than all classmates and able to fit in with them, years later I met my wife whose my age, and by then, I had somehow caught up socially to not be/feel awkward. Other factors that helped me gain social skill along the way: Military service (6+ years and counting), dating (over 50 people I chat with before going on a first date, my chat game was not bad after that many interactions, defeated "hey"). Then 6x failed ltr over a 5-7 years period before meeting my now wife. Working in private security with a large and diverse team for 12 hours shifts also caught me up. I now train people and I see young dudes that were just like me and I try to help em out with advice like this.
The worst part of depression is that you feel like you can't find joy in anything and are so unmotivated because of it. Then you pile on guilt because you are not motivated to accomplish the things you need to do.
@@ceruleanblue7I know it's hard but try to remember that its a medical condition and there's absolutely no need for you to feel guilt..feel compassion for yourself and pride in ur great courage.
@@ceruleanblue7 The worst thing when depression suffocates my emotions Into deap mindful pain . Broken hearted sorrow from seeing too much war, greediness, environmental destruction of unrepairable beauty. How Humanity 😕 is not so Humanitarian 🤔 😕 😐 I feel deeply about what Humanity have done to Earth continuously War War War religions at War .... politics at War ....battlefield of wasted lives in choosing extremes to gain advantage. I step back I can't stop the movement forward-looking to social decline.
@@kimsherlock8969Religious wars are not as prevalent today. Almost all wars today are banker wars. It's about money and the control of power through money.
The worst part is the constant intruding thoughts of suicidal ideation. Feels like no matter what i do i cant stop the thoughts, its like ads in my brain i cant turn off
@@ceruleanblue7 Turn them off the constant thoughts . Unfortunately its not easy to get a ticket out of suffering 😕 No idealism it can get worse. So dont go there in your head its a bad idea.
When my first child was born I was so happy but at the same time I was so depressed. Like something was achieved and nothing else mattered. Like “that’s it”. I was brutal, all was grey, couldn’t even cry. My kid and the fact he needed me and me loving him so much , saved my life. For everyone struggling, hang on!! You can do it and overcome the pain.
Seems like you had postpartum depression. You know, in Germany this is classified as a „birth injury“ and is taken very seriously. Women who suffer from it even get a psychologist to make house visits.
When I experienced extreme depression I felt crushing guilt. Every time I inhaled, I felt guilty for using oxygen other people were more worthy of. My whole body felt like I weighed 1000 lbs and moving was hard. At one point I could barely talk. My reading comprehension almost completely disappeared. It was an absolute torturous nightmare.
@@arminesamvelyan9833 sometimes i can feel it coming back. My perception changes. I have to fight it and somehow change the channel.. its still there tho.
I have suffered with depression since I was fifteen. I had a classical suicide attempt at 15 and a non classical suicice when I was eighteen. I am now 56 and have dealt with my depression since then without sucide. I have put my life in order...have a good job, a long term marriage, and my finances are in addicate shape. My life has never been better, but I suffer from depression just as much as when I was 15. It has no real triggers, and is just there. I have learned over the years how to deal with it, and it has been a long hard road. Some people are just sad sacks, and I seem to be one.
That's probably because it is biochemical. I used to be depressed due to allergic foods in my diet, removal of which very rapidly reversed my depression and cleared my head, for the first time I could ever recall.
I went through a manic depressive episode last year and have only now gotten out of it. And it really is about knowing and believing that you are the source kf your own empowerment. You are also your own worse ennemy.
I have so much respect and admiration for this man, his thought process is so deliberate and logical. Living in a constant state of fight or flight can wreck havoc on your body and IT does cause you to aggressively age. I am 46 and my hair is almost completely silver
I just turned 29 yesterday and I have picked more grey hairs out of my head this year more then I ever have .😢😢😢sucksss.and yes we need to embrace it I guess.lol or dye it and hide it
I am not depressed, oppressed or a victim of anything. I get sad, mad, glad with the best of them and still able to get through this mess of a life. I am glad that I am here. I have a chronic illness. Had near death experiences, almost no supervision or guidance growing up in a very poor household. I am still striving to make life better for me and those I encounter and I am grateful for every breath. I imagine my experience is different than most listeners here. What a long strange trip its been!
I had some bad depression after a toxic relationship. It hit me hard too. I even understood why people ended feeling like that. Had to pull myself out of it. Had to make changes , Lucky for me the military taught me to push through difficult situations. That was so frustrating and sad from all the negative abuse I endured. Thank god Jordan Peterson and his lectures. Saved me.
You can't blame your childhood or parents for everything. Everyone has challenges to deal with. That said, it's obviously more difficult for those who suffered in childhood but as adults we have to take over our own lives. It's easy to view oneself as a victim but we have to move on. I suffered abandonment as a child but I no longer blame or resent my mother. In fact I feel for her as she was incapable of nurturing.
@@ScanpianAssuming that all are working from the same start and denying the possibility that variations in one's start in life can have any relevance to differences later in life sabotages the possibility of finding out what was bad that was put in to one's mind as well as finding out what good that was not put in one's mind when growing up. If something is wrong, figuring out how you got there and why you're there are the necessary steps to getting out of there, because "just work harder" has always been a failure of a strategy.
Facing the reality that the world is an indiscriminately cruel place is, for a lot of people, a source of depression. That children are starving, raped, abused and murdered and suffer on a daily basis all over the world is enough to depress anyone with human emotions. But thanks for all the brilliant insight.
Ive had life threatening anemia due to a 6.3 inch bleeding tumor. I had a full hysterectomy August 29th all the detriment all the depression all the brain fog left about a week post surgery. I had been super sick for the last 3 years. I feel i was raised as a mentally and emotionally healthy human. Good parents with good heads. Had they been different the last 3 years probably would have taken me out mentally. I couldn't imagine going through the last three years with unhealthy behaviors and or an inability to self regulate. God blessed me with solid humans for parents. Im not sure how i could have been more lucky.
I can relate to that. Seems to me noise insulation in apartments and typical low end housing is rarer than hens teeth. And applying after market remedies is expensive as hell. That is having walls soundproofed after the construction has been completed. But then suffering often has a strong link with expectations. If our expectations of housing are more realistic . . . then it may be possible to adapt with somewhat more emotional self control.
I believe modern homes especially cheaper builds and social housing aren't fit for human habitation. Speak to people in other parts of Europe and the world; thick partition walls and insulation are mandatory between neighbours
@@waynepinnock5874 That may be true. But then there are other parts of the world where partitions are made of straw, paper, leaves, canvas, and other materials that block no sound whatsoever. No matter where you go in the world . . . there will be environmental stresses of one sort or another. Humans need to develop the emotional thick skin of a rhinoceros.
Still after 10 years of with it. I dont understand it, its like a unstoppable force that just wants to end me. Doesnt feel like it cones from within me, but an outside intrusive force
Some people have been abused their entire lives. Here in the USA people are overworked, sleep deprived and have poor diets. Moat people are Vitamin D3 deficient.
I have a physical illness due to psychological cause. It's called somatoform disorder. Both of my parents were horrible narcissists and treated me horribly my whole life and that's what caused my somatoform disorder. It was me attempting to cope and adapt and normalize their behavior. It destroyed my whole life and almost killed me
I was diagnosed with depression at 7. 30 years on and I still struggle. It is a solid lack of momentum. Like driving with the handbrake on and it sucks.
I would say over a period of time, when you never get a chance to take a "deep breathe" in life, where it feels like life has been a cascading effect of one crisis after another. Your mind will become obsessed with negative thought and life becomes imprinted in the moment with misery. The best way i would describe how I got into depressive episodes was from finding legitimately zero joyful moments or at least enough to make the day seem satisfying and memorable. The only way I was able to manage these moments were from my coping mechanisms, that were informs of my addictions. Over a period of time, this really has a hard interplay on your psyche, because if you only remember everyday has no meaning, then your habits and lifestyle choices will follow. Like lack of sleep, malnutrition, addictions, unregulated behavior, etc To get out, you got to reverse this process and create a life where you have prolong periods of meaning/happiness.
@@ireneklassen9905it's all related, as jp said here, 'it depends on where you draw the line between the psychological and the physiological'. this comment used the word spiritual, which is an umbrella term, and often synonym of psychological, the soul and the mind are very conflated concepts, and often the word soul or spirit is used to refer to that part of our perception that feels the most deep and emotional, you can't divide mind from soul, except in the especulation that the soul exists beyond mind and body and will ultimately transcend this life, but the way people talk about spirit is, to my understanding, just a part of the mind, especifically related to perception, and intention. perhaps because we feel and see everything through our mind, or so is the illusion casted upon us for having the burden of such strong and notorious consciousness. the way i interpret the phrase 'spiritual sickness' is being corrupt, for example letting hate dominate your entire life, that might not necessarily be the cause of a heart attack, but it certainly won't help it, and it could, as jp said, lead to all sorts of illnesses in the long term.
One of the least discussed topics concerning depression is hormonal balance. Within that area, one of the most underrated and misunderstood issues is how important and how misdiagnosed thyroid conditions are. Even with “normal” labs, a person may require a level of Free T3 that doesn’t coincide with standard lab testing. Especially in but not exclusively in women. As for Jordan Peterson, I have always been impressed with his ability to analyze a situation and assessing options but he tends to wander around and within a topic, maybe just thinking out loud, and the meandering tends to sound like intellectual masturbation vs a distinct answer to a question. Otherwise, as a clinician myself, he is usually on the mark and at the very least very empathetic.
Depression is a symptom, not a disease. It could indicate a medical, psychological or spiritual problem. It can for example be caused by a shortage of vitamin B1, vitamin B12, diabetes, food allergy, bad thyroid, some types of cancer, etc. etc.
Thumbs up. Yes that's what Dr. Peterson has been saying. As a diagnosis Depression is a very imprecise and therefore almost useless term. We need to look much deeper into possible causes and related symptoms.
@@maj1260 I think that in that case, the doctors haven't looked hard enough. And popping a suppressor pill to get rid of the symptoms is doing the patient a disservice as it hides the real cause.
Depression is primarily a symptom of-not a proclivity toward negative emotion-but rather an inability to quiet one’s nervous system (serotonin) in the midst of negative emotion, which means you stay stuck in negative emotion. Normal healthy development from infancy will promote lots of capacity for serotonin production, and if this is not achieved or sustained-the brain will remove the unused parts of this system through apoptosis-the person will find it very difficult to quiet themselves in the midst of distress.
I had mild bouts of depression in the 1990's when my marriage was not going well. In 2013 my depression morphed into weeks of insomnia. I found a therapist on my own. As I started therapy I began to gradually lose my sense of smell and taste. My therapist noted several times during my therapy that it was caused by my neurosis. He was right. After two years of therapy my sense of smell and taste returned when my complexes were made conscious. I was elated to say the least. Then in late 2019 I lost my sense of smell and taste due to an ear infection. It has been almost 5 years of depression. I have a therapist who is very skilled but I cannot get over the loss of smell and taste. I loved to cook and enjoyed wine very much. So there you have it.
Most people, especially young people feel that way all the time which is why people tend to fill their day with activity to overcome that feeling. One of the best ways is being in the service of others such as helping people without expecting anything in return.
You're not worthless Eric, I know what you mean about hating yourself, but don't.. laugh at yourself and others, we're all ridiculous, enjoy yourself, we don't have long here.
@@iangrimshaw3907 Thank you. Intellectually, I know I’m not worthless, but that voice is more powerful than anything I’ve ever encountered, and it’s taken everything I’ve been or ever could be. Most people think it’s cause I’m just lazy! Ha
@erichaynes5826 I understand. I've felt like you have since I was 6. I'm 50 now. It's a rough life. And people think that I've had everything so why am I always depressed? They don't get it. They don't understand.
This makes perfect sense to me. I am an RN in the hospital setting. I would add that this may be likely why antidepressants are approximately 60% effective. If meds are prescribed based on “rushed/ inaccurate diagnosis, it’s very plausible that the meds will be ineffective and cause the pt to continue to suffer from depression.
Had depression after my first child. I constantly felt incompetent, helpless, never good enough until I figured out that I'm capable of anything by learning from others, except my surcomstances and working with it and doing me. Having inner peace is an antidepressant.r
Matt Walsh is trying to say depression is not an illness but choice. It certainly affected by our abilities to function in society and manage emotions. However nobody can just decide not to be depressed.
Very true. One can feel hopeless and helpless from a toxic environment all their life. Thank God for good therapists, and new knowledge of the limbic system.
Depression can be a choice, but depression is not always a choice. Depression can be a hole you fall into by accident. Depression can be lightning that strikes you. Depression can be the consequences of a series of bad decisions.
Matt Walsh wasn’t really saying anything so where is this coming from? I think he was asking questions because he has a hard time understanding it. It’s written all over his face. I have depression and I’m pretty frustrated most days. I have a similar mentality to Matt on most things so it bizarre when I can magically do everything with ease and when the bad days hit, I’m a completely different person and I don’t even know the person I was yesterday.
My depression started right after given birth to my child due to hormonal chances so called Post Partum Depression. Luckily is a mild depression & I can function just fine but still the feeling of pure joy, delight, never quite came back.
Could depression be suppressed aggression? Suppressed by addictions? Meaning that the depressed person is not addressing the external toxicity, and therefore internalizing it? When I see the number of intelligent and creative/artistic people that are being destroyed by absolute nitwits, I’d shout out ‘Houston we have a problem’.
I love that. I have a friend who has major depression. She was SA’d as a child. Sometimes I wish she would just express some repressed rage that she must have.
@@katrinat.3032 that friend needs mind altering substances, it's hard or even next to impossible to break free from a mind state when you have mostly been there for years. you need an experience strong enough to shake you out of it, and substances are the key triggers to achieve something capable to bring you far enough outside of your(usual)self for a moment so you can look at everything from a different perspective. if you are locked in the same spot it's sooo hard, because our mind state and our thoughts are our reality from our pov, there's nothing more real than our feelings and thoughts, which are ironically treated as the most abstract and unreal
Depression is NOT a choice! That's simplistic. As a woman, I suffer from a melancholic depression. Im extremely sensitive and it doesn't take much to shut me down. Positive thinking does nothing. The only useful advise I got from a therapist is to ask myself, is it helpful and is it true when I feel down. Our brains distort things and this helps. Getting out of my house and doing something physical helps.
Not every depressed person experiencing isolation lacks social skills, or proper socialization. Some do. Some don’t. That statement was a generalization. Otherwise, keep up the good work good doctor.
In my personal experience, depression was overwhelmingly biochemical, primarily due to cerebral inflammation from *food allergies.* Cutting out the allergic foods and maintaining a fragrance-free non-toxic environment *completely* reversed it. But it took a couple decades to ferret out *all* the offenders, and get to a fully reliable diet. Now I can handle extreme amounts of stress with a more positive mindset than when I was in an easier situation, but constantly depressed.
I don't know how to describe how I feel adequately to diagnose myself ! But some of the things I've read I. The comments I can identify with , my wife had a nervous breakdown, and I believe it also affected me . I went through the whole thing feeling I had let her down ! The guilt and powerlessness I felt just stayed with me, and I haven't had peace for six years ! Here's the kicker ! She left me 10 days ago . One of the reasons was that I don't tell funny jokes, and I never have enough conversation ! I have stood by her through thick and thin ! 33 years of marriage gone ! And I'm being kicked out of my house ! I'm 63 years old. I spend my time crying out to GOD for help ! On my own ! Lonley and in pain ! What did I do to deserve this . GOD bless you all .
The depression I have dealt with I would definitely call a disease. Many times in my teen years, I was crying and upset, and I knew it was more than it needed to be, and I really didn’t know where it was coming from. I also suffered from severe postpartum depression in my 20s, which completely disrupted my life. A lot of that can be blamed on hormones. Much of what people describe as depression I can’t relate to at all.
For me, it was entirely linked to my menstrual cycle. And I think hormones play a large role in some depression. Depression should be further categorized than just the word.
"Physiology", as in "physics", as in "physis" (nature), is the study of the nominal function of the organism in question. "Pathology", on the other hand, is the study of all the ways in which the organism in question can be "infirm". We should therefore think of health as "fitness", that is the optimal capacity to perform efficiently the functions that are necessary for successful living.
This is from left field, so to speak. I've been socially isolated for most of my adult life. I can be awkward or intense sometimes, but I like to think I'm a normal person. I've held this theory for a long time; its almost if American society is set up to isolate people. People live in generic suburbs, planned communities, condominiums for years, and they don't even know their neighbors. They drive almost everywhere, which is a very isolating experiance. When you are in public, you are just a consumer or a rando, there is hardly any meaningful contact with other people. I actually think this is the real appeal of religion, to belong to a community, except then you have to believe in stupid things. I actually think this is the cause of all these social pathologies in American culture, mass shootings, drug addiction, depression and so on. The cause is lack of connection, or meaningful social interaction with other people. The question becomes; is this deliberate? A result of social engineering? Then you get into the weeds pf conspiracy theory. Or is this just a result of the mass corporate consumerism that has taken over society, especially after WWII?
So you're saying religious people who congregate and find joy in their lives because they believe in "stupid things"? And then go on to give some ridiculous take on what you believe is wrong with society? Yeah, you should just stay isolated, you'd only contribute to making things worse
Belief in The Lord Jesus Christ is anything but stupid. But dealing with the people at church who supposedly believe in Him as you do, yes, THAT can be a cause of sadness or worse.
If you believe the planet is only 6,000 years old, that there is an invisible man who lives in sky watching your every move, that a woman gave birth without ever having sex, that a man 2,000 years ago walked on water (you should try that sometimes) and that he was tortured to death and then came back to life, by definition, you believe in stupid things.
I have had a lot of loss and suffering in my life and it's really really difficult to find hope. I suffered abuse at the hands of a narcissistic step dad and in turn not realizing it, ended up with a worse narcissistic partner for a very long time. Now I'm being discarded like I'm nothing after spending half of my life invested into that relationship. He spent most of our life savings, bought himself things, and now that I am physically disabled after years of pushing myself to hard. I'm nothing, nada to him and I'm chronically rejected and told that everything is me. I'm the problem. On top of this most of my family are passed already. I have no living immediate family besides one cousin and aunt and uncle. I didn't work that much and can't now for sure. So I am pretty isolated. So along with physical chronic pain, the mental torture is unbearable. I just don't want to be here in all honesty, the only thing at the very moment is keeping me here is my dog. Sad isn't it.
WOW thx for going through hell, Dr. Peterson, in order to be able to deliver this enlightening unpacking in under a ton of lifetime. this snippet alone has justified your whole existence, as well as those who helped you build it, and last but not least Mr. Walsh's for his intelligent straight to the point interest which triggered your wisdom to come forth and unfold so eloquently. everyone connected to this snipped existing should feel a lot better about themselves and the amount of good carma this built and the negative resolved! 🙏
Look at the jacket again!!,so fashion , what a man!🎉so stylish in mind and body!❤🎉!the best therapist ever thanks Mr.Peterson you helped me a lot, a lot , that you can't imagine!!
I have been looking for this, in conversation with a friend about different possible causes for depression, and how it sometimes presents as a physical disposition which can be treated with physical remedy like diet or movement
My sis is 4 years older, so we had the same high school, same teachers. They had all kinds of activities, sports or general knowledge competitions with other cities, radio in the brakes, cheerleaders etc. 4 years later, same teachers, nothing happened. Just wasted time. I feel like my whole life has been like that, walking in others ruins
I had an extremely difficult life. The Faith in God gave me necessary stability and sanity. The support of my devoted parents provided the sense of security. I was lucky never to be depressed.
I went to my doctor to get treatment for postpartum depression after one of my littles came along and I felt bad about asking. My doctor told me depression is an illness and it's okay to get treatment, just like it's okay to get treatment for a heart condition or for seizures. I know depression has many potential causes but that over simplified statement from that doctor helped me a lot when it comes to my mental health (or the occasional lack there of 😂😂)
I've Graves Disease which is incurable. Which is an autoimmune disorder where your own antibodies attack your thyroid gland which in turn produces the hormones needed for the metabolism of every cell in your body.
Ablation with radioactive iodine or surgery to remove your thyroid is how they used to treat it. Then you have to take synthetic thyroid hormone the rest of your life.
@@3catsn1dog Yes, the treatment is borderline barbaric, since the Graves autoimmune response is still there. Those antibodies are still circulating. Lets cut out a major gland in the body responsible for the metabolism of every cell in your body and give you synthetic hormones for the rest of your life. The treatment is from the start of the 20th century. Modern studies focus on how there's a gut dysbiosis in people with Graves and other autoimmune disease but no direct cause/effect solution has been devised yet.
I was diagnosed with colic as s baby. I've had GI issues all of my life. The majority of serotonin stems from the GI tract and is within the gut and brain axis. So, unless my GI issues and any other possible conditions are treated properly, I'm still doomed in that context. Hypothyroidism makes it worse also I haven't been able to get a proper endocrinologist for almost 1.5 years now due to insurance coverage and available offices with extreme waiting lists!
Being someone who struggled with both (being sick) and depression caused by food I agree with both. I can tell you I feel fine one second and not (depressed) it’s totally affected by what I eat. The other dealing with health issues my whole life, carrying that burden or not being able to be a normal human takes its toll. Boy could we talk.
The only expert that can diagnose & treat depression is the Person who creates humans. "Professionals" are more likely to delay or interfere with that process. Love cannot be bought.
I get really depressed when I get sick. When I get sick I noticed the depression kick in. Not just I feel sad, but like serious I hate this life type of depression. I understand but I still fell it.
@@siegfriedbraun5447 I have had to deal with serious depression in the past, clinical shit. I did the work to bring myself out of it and I can manage so I know what true depression feels like. Being depressed can cause physical issues but this is a bit different. I am a lot more aware so I can feel depression and can tell if something is going on in my life or if I am sick. If something is going on in my life depression can serve as a tool to let me know I need to make changes otherwise I will fall deeper and deeper into a funk. Other times I realize I am sick and for whatever reason it makes me feel depressed. Combine that with sick and actually needing to fix something sucks.
The broadest and perhaps the only thing that I have taken from this discussion is how limited our communication is and how we are stuck in semantics to communicate aspects of the human condition. O the one hand, we need to define everything for clarity and differentiation, and on the other, there are no clear lines or perhaps imaginary ones between concepts. The thing is, depression is essentially not a concept. It is an existential condition.
Well said. And even further, those who are less articulate would struggle even more trying to communicate what they're feeling, and trying to express the complexities within that they believe are causing it. This child make them feel even more alone, worthless, or hopeless thag anyone could understand. I'd say the one commonality with depressed people, regardless of the cause, is the slow surrender and will to live and carry on. Suicide is the end, but the way down revolves around the concept, even if the end "solution" hasn't crossed their mind yet. It's looking at life and asking "why?" And never having an answer worthy of your energy effort or struggle.
I was depressed my entire life until literally watching Dr. Eric Berg's videos on high carb diets, insulin resistance, and water fasting. Literally, every doctor wasted my time or condescendingly spoke to me as if I was an idiot for feeling how I did.
It is DEEP REST, as Jim Carrey says. For many years I wondered what is the strange comfort we feel when listening to the traditional African song Awimoweh ("In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight.") Finally I knew -- WE are the Lion. Wimoweh (Uyimbube) in Zulu means "you are a lion." We are a small ape who bears the mantle of power, of the Great Lion, and we become so weary. It is a song of rest, deep rest.
Depression (by my own experience) is like someone who got a hold of your brain and stunts your intellectual capacity or literally ties it into knots. Talk about those who steal others souls....this is very painful to deal with too.
Depression is based upon thinking about the past, and wishing things were different. It’s caused by trying to bend reality to the way you ideally want it to be. It’s basically an attachment to wishful thinking as if it should come true.
I Love Jordan Peterson. Stumbled on this depression video. I wish I knew what is really up with me. Almost 30 years of undiagnosed issue's. Don't like doctor's. They're way too liberal these day's. 😢
I have to wonder if Dr. Peterson differentiates between the problem someone wants to work on, versus the cause, and that is that sets him apart from other clinicians. For example: what if the diagnosis for most is what people want help with. However, for Dr. Peterson a diagnosis is the root cause of the problem. Kind of like going to the doctor for a broken arm. The diagnosis is "broken arm," however, Dr. Peterson wants to find out if there is a calcium deficiency, or did they simply engage in reckless behavior? Dr. Peterson, wants to make sure that he is treating the problem, and not just the symptom.
You like the jacket because the ladder on your jacket means you always enjoy climbing higher than you are presently. The buffalo 🦬 means "charge forward." Can't see the other images on the jacket.
Thank God I am an artist. Our oddness is tolerated. I have happily avoided much of straight society, but can dive into and come out with the money I need.
For years I've listened to dr Jordan Peterson, and with respect, I find it hard to follow what he is saying or hear what the facts are. Many many words.
That would seem to be the logical reasoning in my view.. But knowing that exercising can put you in a different state of mind Definitely tears that model of thinking to shreds.
Bad upbringing by parents, family & community can lead you with all sorts of dysfunctions, along with ovjectively maling you lose hair younger, getting sick more often getting obese, or stunting your growth & iQ which would further exacerbate your stress & depression because you are now clearly inferior to your surroundings or community who seemed to have less, but end up with more because they had better health, guidance & support... While you were starving & lost in the woods. You had the genes, the potential, and it all got wasted, it may take you many years just to realize "it wasn't your fault", but by then you are 20-40 & destroyed years of your life or body & people see you as too old to be worth of care, a chance or investment.
I can give my dog a treat and say, "good boy!" or I can kick him down the stairs. In either case I can make the true statement that, "I have treated my dog". The word 'treatment' is the most mis-overused word in the English language. !00% of ALL drug commercials claim their drug can 'treat' any of such conditions stated within the commercial and remains a true statement. The word 'treatment' is as impotent as any politician's rhetoric. Pretty much qualifies as #1 in the word-salad list of deception.
To my understanding illness be it mental, emotional or physical starts from a trauma or an unwanted experience which affects the gut microbiome negatively allowing the bad bacteria to take over and create an imbalance. The intelligence of this microbiome governs our thoughts and feelings. The imbalance creates a deficit in the production of serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin which in turn creates depression. It becomes a cycle in which its so difficult to break free from because the microbiome will now crave the sugars and addictive foods containing toxins to give it temporary relief, creating more and more physical issues. Overweight, high blood pressure, digestive issues, metabolic imbalances. If we start to look at our problems through the gut and replace the missing microbes, then we stand a much better chance of getting back on top of things. When we feel good as a result of our body producing the feel good hormones then we think better thoughts and so create a better environment for ourselves. We have evolved from microbes and their intelligence is the driving force behind how we live.
Since 2018, I've been rear ended by a local cop, discovered I had thyroid cancer bcse of said accident..... dealt with a housefire that killed my Millie dog, but managed to save my best friends Mom (we were all roommates at the time)...... In 2022, my own Mom and son died not even two months apart...... please tell me again about going thru things and dealing with depression..... I dearly wish I could afford you. I may not want to hear what you'd have to say, but you you'd say the things I'd have to hear
My depression was closely linked to my menstrual period . I had a hellish time all my life and it was hormones that were causing it . More research into how hormones can control our bodies especially for some women.
I was the same , and even worse when two of my children were born . When I hit menopause I was again banged with depression ! I went on hHRT . I have been on it for 30 years , and not had any more episodes . I definitely believe it is hormone caused . Live was a rollercoaster without HRT now it is sooooo smooth !
I believe there is an hereditary depression . My grandmother , Uncle , Father , Brother , daughter and my self all have suffered very serious depression needing hospitalization or suicide .
I thought depression was lack of free Will or not having safe space or quality time being overcome by negative forces, not being allowed or unable to reach positivity again so lack of power and energy feeling heavy, overburdened
depression can be adjusted by dealing with externals, but I have found that anxiety is a monster that comes on its own . I had to be medicated for general anxiety disorder---it came for no reason
I have a lot of shame that my mother and my best friend were not honored by eulogies nor did I write their obituaries. To this day I still can’t. I’m not comfortable with my words, I don’t know what to say.
I saved my mother life and I'm treated like I'm unwanted or not needed because she's being told that behind my back. That's why there's cameras in my home and I'm not able to access them. I do know who has access to the cameras but I live here and I don't have access to them
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About his explanations regarding depression . . . they're the most comprehensive and therefore the best i've ever heard. I can see my life situation more clearly thanks to him. None of the therapists i've worked with have even come close to his level of understanding. And that includes several psychiatrists. It's tragic. Modern medicine is a business in cahoots with big pharma.
I seldom agree with Jordan Peterson but on this subject I do. Long story cut as short as possible: I'm a 67-year old male. I have been diagnosed with various auto-immune disorders starting at the age of 6 and continuing throughout my life. I was diagnosed with Mast Cell Activation Disorder (MCAD) 12-years ago which caused me to live in a bubble. I was diagnosed with Complex-Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD) 5-years ago due to 13-years of continuous child abuse. Most recently, my Neurologist believes I have Parkinson's Dementia. I have researched all of this 'stuff' extensively and found the C-PTSD could be the root of all my problems but also I may have a genetic defect causing the physical health issues or it might be .... ? Basically, I'm caught in a 'chicken & egg' situation not knowing which came first ... hahaha ... and should be seriously depressed.
I'm Canadian and have had a great medical team addressing my physical illnesses and I have a great Psychologist treating my mental health illness but there is a huge wall between both health units. My medical team are so busy they have no time to listen to my mental health issues and visa versa. I believe this is what Jordan was trying to say but his bombastic rhetoric kept getting in the way. 👋😎 My 2-nickels eh (no cents anymore)
Thoughts will manifest based on your self perception, so negative thoughts will manifest into depression. Low self worth is our enemy and being introspective to explore yourself and who you are will help you build toward more positive thoughts. What are my abilities and what peaks my interest or makes me feel good about myself. It can be a conundrum for sure, but it starts with self acceptance. I have Autism/ADHD and every day is a journey every transition in my day is a process so it helps to have positive self reflection so you can get the validation from people in your life. I mostly agree with the explanation he gives as it makes sense the way it's explained. 👻🤪🌶🤘😎♾️
isnt jordy a drug adddict? or was?
@@tomthumb3994 from what i remember hearing yes he was. But not your typical street addict. He was addicted to a particular prescription medication that was supposed to help him with an ailment. But it didn't. Of course there are folks who have no sympathy whatsoever for any addict. Whether they rot on the street homeless. Or if they have enough money for expensive treatment. Jordy is one of the latter.
I was depressed from 15 to 23ish. Now 33, I can tell you that the cause of my depression was not being well socialized for the environment I was in. Being from a small town, with parents who didn't have many friends if any, crazy mom, quiet dad. I never learned how to properly fit in, make friends and/or a romantic partner. I was depressed because I thought the problem was me and I didn't have the tools and experience needed. Classic "left behind" kid who grew up poorly socialized. I had to relearn (adapt) how to socialize and my depression went away when I worked full time and had more opportunities to socialize and be a part of a friend group.
That seems something I would say! I'm 25 and still struggling with high levels of guit/ shame and socializing for me feels very difficult.
i know what you talk about... i left home at 15. .single mother.. who shut down ...basically when i was 10 yrs old... i was clueless to being out in the world...i too had to learn so much .. the HARD WAY
What did you do?
@@Being_Joe I was cursed with 135 IQ which made it really difficult to find friends that I was able to be on equal intellectual levels. I loved strategy games because I always won against people my age and even my older cousins struggled or lost against me from a young age.
Being "good" at learning skills/knowledge faster than others made me not liked by my peers, making me socially inept over time even though I'm otherwise very intelligent, in my teens I was a nightmare and still had no friends due to being awkward and scared to talk to others because I saw myself as an outcast. In the same way that being dominated by me at a game made them avoid playing me again, I did the same thing when I felt weak, I avoided it, furthering my social retardation (it's used correctly here!)
I learned and outgrew stuff faster than others, leading to me not learning good work habits for success later on.
What turned it all around was making good decisions. I lost weight, got in ok shape, went back to school, was older than all classmates and able to fit in with them, years later I met my wife whose my age, and by then, I had somehow caught up socially to not be/feel awkward.
Other factors that helped me gain social skill along the way:
Military service (6+ years and counting), dating (over 50 people I chat with before going on a first date, my chat game was not bad after that many interactions, defeated "hey").
Then 6x failed ltr over a 5-7 years period before meeting my now wife. Working in private security with a large and diverse team for 12 hours shifts also caught me up. I now train people and I see young dudes that were just like me and I try to help em out with advice like this.
An yes a full time job, that definitely didn’t burn me out!
The worst part of depression is that you feel like you can't find joy in anything and are so unmotivated because of it. Then you pile on guilt because you are not motivated to accomplish the things you need to do.
@@ceruleanblue7I know it's hard but try to remember that its a medical condition and there's absolutely no need for you to feel guilt..feel compassion for yourself and pride in ur great courage.
@@ceruleanblue7 The worst thing
when depression suffocates my emotions Into deap mindful pain .
Broken hearted sorrow from seeing too much war, greediness, environmental destruction of unrepairable beauty.
How Humanity 😕 is not so Humanitarian 🤔 😕 😐
I feel deeply about what Humanity have done to Earth continuously
War War War
religions at War .... politics at War ....battlefield of wasted lives in choosing extremes to gain advantage.
I step back
I can't stop the movement forward-looking to social decline.
@@kimsherlock8969Religious wars are not as prevalent today. Almost all wars today are banker wars. It's about money and the control of power through money.
The worst part is the constant intruding thoughts of suicidal ideation. Feels like no matter what i do i cant stop the thoughts, its like ads in my brain i cant turn off
@@ceruleanblue7 Turn them off the constant thoughts .
Unfortunately its not easy to get a ticket out of suffering 😕
No idealism it can get worse.
So dont go there in your head its a bad idea.
When my first child was born I was so happy but at the same time I was so depressed. Like something was achieved and nothing else mattered. Like “that’s it”. I was brutal, all was grey, couldn’t even cry. My kid and the fact he needed me and me loving him so much , saved my life.
For everyone struggling, hang on!! You can do it and overcome the pain.
Seems like you had postpartum depression. You know, in Germany this is classified as a „birth injury“ and is taken very seriously. Women who suffer from it even get a psychologist to make house visits.
@@mermaid9422 forgot to mention, I’m the dad. But yeah, it was really hard to overcome.
He is a gift to the world.
When I experienced extreme depression I felt crushing guilt. Every time I inhaled, I felt guilty for using oxygen other people were more worthy of. My whole body felt like I weighed 1000 lbs and moving was hard. At one point I could barely talk. My reading comprehension almost completely disappeared. It was an absolute torturous nightmare.
Hi. You said…”when”.
What was the turning point or how did you start to manage …? Thanks
@@S.Keister That was years ago. My family doctor got me help. He was my doctor for almost 20 years and knew me well enough to actually SEE.
What did you believe caused your depression? Did it just exist or was there something that caused it?
I'm so sorry
Did you use antidepressants to help you to recover?
Thank you everyone who shared their stories, it's very thoughtful, extremely kind and nice of you to dedicate the time to do so.
When i suffered depression, i barely got up for 2 years. I forgot how to speak. I forgot my personality. I felt a massive deep severe pain in my soul.
Damn this resonates with me so much
You're not alone ❤
Deep pain in my soul-i had it too, soul pain almost similar to physical pain,😢
@@arminesamvelyan9833 yes. man. it was horrible.
@@jessemontano762 good thing is that you said " IT WAS"🙂not it is now ,
I changed my mind to live for a day ( I would say to breathe), otherwise....
@@arminesamvelyan9833 sometimes i can feel it coming back. My perception changes. I have to fight it and somehow change the channel.. its still there tho.
I have suffered with depression since I was fifteen. I had a classical suicide attempt at 15 and a non classical suicice when I was eighteen. I am now 56 and have dealt with my depression since then without sucide. I have put my life in order...have a good job, a long term marriage, and my finances are in addicate shape. My life has never been better, but I suffer from depression just as much as when I was 15. It has no real triggers, and is just there. I have learned over the years how to deal with it, and it has been a long hard road. Some people are just sad sacks, and I seem to be one.
@@MichealSchroeder-r4e i am full of admiration for ur amazing courage.
Try carnivore, please 🧡
I am curious if you would benefit from Magnesium. How are your Vitamin D levels?
That's probably because it is biochemical. I used to be depressed due to allergic foods in my diet, removal of which very rapidly reversed my depression and cleared my head, for the first time I could ever recall.
Probably low T
I went through a manic depressive episode last year and have only now gotten out of it. And it really is about knowing and believing that you are the source kf your own empowerment. You are also your own worse ennemy.
I have so much respect and admiration for this man, his thought process is so deliberate and logical. Living in a constant state of fight or flight can wreck havoc on your body and IT does cause you to aggressively age. I am 46 and my hair is almost completely silver
I just turned 29 yesterday and I have picked more grey hairs out of my head this year more then I ever have .😢😢😢sucksss.and yes we need to embrace it I guess.lol or dye it and hide it
I am not depressed, oppressed or a victim of anything. I get sad, mad, glad with the best of them and still able to get through this mess of a life.
I am glad that I am here. I have a chronic illness. Had near death experiences, almost no supervision or guidance growing up in a very poor household. I am still striving to make life better for me and those I encounter and I am grateful for every breath. I imagine my experience is different than most listeners here. What a long strange trip its been!
Wow - sounds like you're living my life. Aint it grand? Good on you for your positivity!!!!!!!!
I had some bad depression after a toxic relationship. It hit me hard too. I even understood why people ended feeling like that. Had to pull myself out of it. Had to make changes , Lucky for me the military taught me to push through difficult situations. That was so frustrating and sad from all the negative abuse I endured. Thank god Jordan Peterson and his lectures. Saved me.
Toxic parents in childhood may cause hopelessness for the rest of your life.
Definitely
So true.
You can't blame your childhood or parents for everything. Everyone has challenges to deal with. That said, it's obviously more difficult for those who suffered in childhood but as adults we have to take over our own lives. It's easy to view oneself as a victim but we have to move on. I suffered abandonment as a child but I no longer blame or resent my mother. In fact I feel for her as she was incapable of nurturing.
@@Scanpian This is not about playing the victim, but about the fact that it can lead to mental disorders and that it is difficult to deal with.
@@ScanpianAssuming that all are working from the same start and denying the possibility that variations in one's start in life can have any relevance to differences later in life sabotages the possibility of finding out what was bad that was put in to one's mind as well as finding out what good that was not put in one's mind when growing up.
If something is wrong, figuring out how you got there and why you're there are the necessary steps to getting out of there, because "just work harder" has always been a failure of a strategy.
Facing the reality that the world is an indiscriminately cruel place is, for a lot of people, a source of depression. That children are starving, raped, abused and murdered and suffer on a daily basis all over the world is enough to depress anyone with human emotions. But thanks for all the brilliant insight.
Yes😢😢😢😢 so true
Ive had life threatening anemia due to a 6.3 inch bleeding tumor. I had a full hysterectomy August 29th all the detriment all the depression all the brain fog left about a week post surgery. I had been super sick for the last 3 years. I feel i was raised as a mentally and emotionally healthy human. Good parents with good heads. Had they been different the last 3 years probably would have taken me out mentally. I couldn't imagine going through the last three years with unhealthy behaviors and or an inability to self regulate. God blessed me with solid humans for parents. Im not sure how i could have been more lucky.
Also it's good to distinguish between depression & one's tendencies towards melancholy.
Personification Ignorance.
Excellent. I love when Dr Peterson delves into psychology topics. His explanations are so clear and illuminating.
Living in homes with little or no noise insulation, abrades the nerves and destroys calm and inner peace
I can relate to that. Seems to me noise insulation in apartments and typical low end housing is rarer than hens teeth. And applying after market remedies is expensive as hell. That is having walls soundproofed after the construction has been completed. But then suffering often has a strong link with expectations. If our expectations of housing are more realistic . . . then it may be possible to adapt with somewhat more emotional self control.
I believe modern homes especially cheaper builds and social housing aren't fit for human habitation. Speak to people in other parts of Europe and the world; thick partition walls and insulation are mandatory between neighbours
@@waynepinnock5874 That may be true. But then there are other parts of the world where partitions are made of straw, paper, leaves, canvas, and other materials that block no sound whatsoever. No matter where you go in the world . . . there will be environmental stresses of one sort or another. Humans need to develop the emotional thick skin of a rhinoceros.
Not for me sir! I opt to live in quiet environs only.
@@waynepinnock5874 Of course. I would also if i could afford to live wherever it suits me. But i can't.
Still after 10 years of with it. I dont understand it, its like a unstoppable force that just wants to end me. Doesnt feel like it cones from within me, but an outside intrusive force
Some people have been abused their entire lives. Here in the USA people are overworked, sleep deprived and have poor diets. Moat people are Vitamin D3 deficient.
It's even worse in many other parts of the planets.
And that’s entirely your choice. Really America has the best options to pick from.
You saying that people in the US are worse off than people in third world countries? Maybe Americans are just snowflakes.
I have a physical illness due to psychological cause. It's called somatoform disorder. Both of my parents were horrible narcissists and treated me horribly my whole life and that's what caused my somatoform disorder. It was me attempting to cope and adapt and normalize their behavior. It destroyed my whole life and almost killed me
Lift weights and run
I was diagnosed with depression at 7. 30 years on and I still struggle. It is a solid lack of momentum. Like driving with the handbrake on and it sucks.
I would say over a period of time, when you never get a chance to take a "deep breathe" in life, where it feels like life has been a cascading effect of one crisis after another. Your mind will become obsessed with negative thought and life becomes imprinted in the moment with misery. The best way i would describe how I got into depressive episodes was from finding legitimately zero joyful moments or at least enough to make the day seem satisfying and memorable. The only way I was able to manage these moments were from my coping mechanisms, that were informs of my addictions. Over a period of time, this really has a hard interplay on your psyche, because if you only remember everyday has no meaning, then your habits and lifestyle choices will follow. Like lack of sleep, malnutrition, addictions, unregulated behavior, etc
To get out, you got to reverse this process and create a life where you have prolong periods of meaning/happiness.
Never doubt you will evolve from this stage. Keep the hope and faith.!!!
Spiritual sickness is at the heart of it all. Seeking spiritual recovery helps me feel and be better, slowly but surely.
Psyche is Latin for spirit. Our fundamental fallen nature means we are by psychological nature flawed and prone to (pathos) psychopathology.
You are on a right path
Is that the same for diabetes or heart attacks? The brain is a physical thing and can be negatively affected which messes with your thinking.
May God bless you on your recovery!
@@ireneklassen9905it's all related, as jp said here, 'it depends on where you draw the line between the psychological and the physiological'. this comment used the word spiritual, which is an umbrella term, and often synonym of psychological, the soul and the mind are very conflated concepts, and often the word soul or spirit is used to refer to that part of our perception that feels the most deep and emotional, you can't divide mind from soul, except in the especulation that the soul exists beyond mind and body and will ultimately transcend this life, but the way people talk about spirit is, to my understanding, just a part of the mind, especifically related to perception, and intention. perhaps because we feel and see everything through our mind, or so is the illusion casted upon us for having the burden of such strong and notorious consciousness. the way i interpret the phrase 'spiritual sickness' is being corrupt, for example letting hate dominate your entire life, that might not necessarily be the cause of a heart attack, but it certainly won't help it, and it could, as jp said, lead to all sorts of illnesses in the long term.
Love Jordan's suit coat.
I was depressed until I saw Dr. Peterson’s kooky jacket. Thanks, Dr. Peterson!
Lol 😝
What he labels as anxiety and what he labels as pain between 1:20 and 2:20 are answers I’ve never heard and have been trying to understand for years
One of the least discussed topics concerning depression is hormonal balance. Within that area, one of the most underrated and misunderstood issues is how important and how misdiagnosed thyroid conditions are. Even with “normal” labs, a person may require a level of Free T3 that doesn’t coincide with standard lab testing. Especially in but not exclusively in women.
As for Jordan Peterson, I have always been impressed with his ability to analyze a situation and assessing options but he tends to wander around and within a topic, maybe just thinking out loud, and the meandering tends to sound like intellectual masturbation vs a distinct answer to a question. Otherwise, as a clinician myself, he is usually on the mark and at the very least very empathetic.
I think more doctors should run tests to rule out illness and vitamin and mineral deficiencies as a cause for depression and anxiety
Trauma
😮 doctors treat symptoms. More like a professional high-dollar Band-Aid applicator
Depression is very much like chronic pain. The duration of this state is what takes the toil.
Depression is a symptom, not a disease. It could indicate a medical, psychological or spiritual problem. It can for example be caused by a shortage of vitamin B1, vitamin B12, diabetes, food allergy, bad thyroid, some types of cancer, etc. etc.
Thumbs up. Yes that's what Dr. Peterson has been saying. As a diagnosis Depression is a very imprecise and therefore almost useless term. We need to look much deeper into possible causes and related symptoms.
True yes-thank you for injecting logic
@@maj1260 I think that in that case, the doctors haven't looked hard enough. And popping a suppressor pill to get rid of the symptoms is doing the patient a disservice as it hides the real cause.
@@maj1260 care to elaborate on that ??? What is " all unto itself " ?????
@@maj1260 great reference to Sir Beavius Maxximus. He and i are old friends.
The opening statement really speaks to me, my persistent depression went undiagnosed for years because it wasn't completely debilitating.
Depression is primarily a symptom of-not a proclivity toward negative emotion-but rather an inability to quiet one’s nervous system (serotonin) in the midst of negative emotion, which means you stay stuck in negative emotion. Normal healthy development from infancy will promote lots of capacity for serotonin production, and if this is not achieved or sustained-the brain will remove the unused parts of this system through apoptosis-the person will find it very difficult to quiet themselves in the midst of distress.
I had mild bouts of depression in the 1990's when my marriage was not going well. In 2013 my depression morphed into weeks of insomnia. I found a therapist on my own. As I started therapy I began to gradually lose my sense of smell and taste. My therapist noted several times during my therapy that it was caused by my neurosis. He was right. After two years of therapy my sense of smell and taste returned when my complexes were made conscious. I was elated to say the least. Then in late 2019 I lost my sense of smell and taste due to an ear infection. It has been almost 5 years of depression. I have a therapist who is very skilled but I cannot get over the loss of smell and taste. I loved to cook and enjoyed wine very much. So there you have it.
My earliest memory of consciousness is of hating myself and thinking I was worthless. I’ve never been able to overcome that.
Most people, especially young people feel that way all the time which is why people tend to fill their day with activity to overcome that feeling. One of the best ways is being in the service of others such as helping people without expecting anything in return.
You're not worthless Eric, I know what you mean about hating yourself, but don't.. laugh at yourself and others, we're all ridiculous, enjoy yourself, we don't have long here.
@@iangrimshaw3907 Thank you. Intellectually, I know I’m not worthless, but that voice is more powerful than anything I’ve ever encountered, and it’s taken everything I’ve been or ever could be. Most people think it’s cause I’m just lazy! Ha
@erichaynes5826 I understand. I've felt like you have since I was 6. I'm 50 now. It's a rough life. And people think that I've had everything so why am I always depressed? They don't get it. They don't understand.
the human race seems to be the only species on Earth that actively hates itself. what a tragedy!
This makes perfect sense to me. I am an RN in the hospital setting. I would add that this may be likely why antidepressants are approximately 60% effective. If meds are prescribed based on “rushed/ inaccurate diagnosis, it’s very plausible that the meds will be ineffective and cause the pt to continue to suffer from depression.
Had depression after my first child. I constantly felt incompetent, helpless, never good enough until I figured out that I'm capable of anything by learning from others, except my surcomstances and working with it and doing me.
Having inner peace is an antidepressant.r
Incompetent.
@MatthewTaylor-yz4dn thanks I'm not fully bilingual 😘
The best short and very clear explanation of significant aspects of depression and its etiology that I have heard. Extremely important to know.
Matt Walsh is trying to say depression is not an illness but choice. It certainly affected by our abilities to function in society and manage emotions. However nobody can just decide not to be depressed.
Very true. One can feel hopeless and helpless from a toxic environment all their life. Thank God for good therapists, and new knowledge of the limbic system.
Depression can be a choice, but depression is not always a choice. Depression can be a hole you fall into by accident. Depression can be lightning that strikes you. Depression can be the consequences of a series of bad decisions.
Matt Walsh wasn’t really saying anything so where is this coming from? I think he was asking questions because he has a hard time understanding it. It’s written all over his face. I have depression and I’m pretty frustrated most days. I have a similar mentality to Matt on most things so it bizarre when I can magically do everything with ease and when the bad days hit, I’m a completely different person and I don’t even know the person I was yesterday.
@ He didn’t have to say much. Plus from past comments I know where he was going with what little he said.
My depression started right after given birth to my child due to hormonal chances so called Post Partum Depression. Luckily is a mild depression & I can function just fine but still the feeling of pure joy, delight, never quite came back.
Read somewhere the other day..."the opposite of depression is expression". That is true. 🎉
In the words of Andrew Solomon, in his book about depression, Noonday Demon, “the opposite of depression is not happiness, it’s vitality.”
Could depression be suppressed aggression? Suppressed by addictions? Meaning that the depressed person is not addressing the external toxicity, and therefore internalizing it? When I see the number of intelligent and creative/artistic people that are being destroyed by absolute nitwits, I’d shout out ‘Houston we have a problem’.
I love that. I have a friend who has major depression. She was SA’d as a child. Sometimes I wish she would just express some repressed rage that she must have.
@@katrinat.3032 that friend needs mind altering substances, it's hard or even next to impossible to break free from a mind state when you have mostly been there for years. you need an experience strong enough to shake you out of it, and substances are the key triggers to achieve something capable to bring you far enough outside of your(usual)self for a moment so you can look at everything from a different perspective. if you are locked in the same spot it's sooo hard, because our mind state and our thoughts are our reality from our pov, there's nothing more real than our feelings and thoughts, which are ironically treated as the most abstract and unreal
Funny enough... My depression is my expression.. no?
Hopelessness leads to depression. Not having meaning in one's life can cause depression.
Helplessness can cause depression.
Depression is NOT a choice! That's simplistic. As a woman, I suffer from a melancholic depression. Im extremely sensitive and it doesn't take much to shut me down. Positive thinking does nothing. The only useful advise I got from a therapist is to ask myself, is it helpful and is it true when I feel down. Our brains distort things and this helps. Getting out of my house and doing something physical helps.
Not every depressed person experiencing isolation lacks social skills, or proper socialization. Some do. Some don’t. That statement was a generalization.
Otherwise, keep up the good work good doctor.
In my personal experience, depression was overwhelmingly biochemical, primarily due to cerebral inflammation from *food allergies.* Cutting out the allergic foods and maintaining a fragrance-free non-toxic environment *completely* reversed it. But it took a couple decades to ferret out *all* the offenders, and get to a fully reliable diet. Now I can handle extreme amounts of stress with a more positive mindset than when I was in an easier situation, but constantly depressed.
Thank's Dr Peterson.
I don't know how to describe how I feel adequately to diagnose myself !
But some of the things I've read I. The comments I can identify with , my wife had a nervous breakdown, and I believe it also affected me .
I went through the whole thing feeling I had let her down !
The guilt and powerlessness I felt just stayed with me, and I haven't had peace for six years !
Here's the kicker !
She left me 10 days ago . One of the reasons was that I don't tell funny jokes, and I never have enough conversation !
I have stood by her through thick and thin !
33 years of marriage gone !
And I'm being kicked out of my house !
I'm 63 years old. I spend my time crying out to GOD for help ! On my own ! Lonley and in pain !
What did I do to deserve this .
GOD bless you all .
My depression has depression
Depression is an accumulation of negative thoughts
His deep thinking soothes my soul..
The light has gone out in the eyes.
I get it
The depression I have dealt with I would definitely call a disease. Many times in my teen years, I was crying and upset, and I knew it was more than it needed to be, and I really didn’t know where it was coming from. I also suffered from severe postpartum depression in my 20s, which completely disrupted my life. A lot of that can be blamed on hormones. Much of what people describe as depression I can’t relate to at all.
For me, it was entirely linked to my menstrual cycle. And I think hormones play a large role in some depression. Depression should be further categorized than just the word.
"Physiology", as in "physics", as in "physis" (nature), is the study of the nominal function of the organism in question.
"Pathology", on the other hand, is the study of all the ways in which the organism in question can be "infirm".
We should therefore think of health as "fitness", that is the optimal capacity to perform efficiently the functions that are necessary for successful living.
This is from left field, so to speak. I've been socially isolated for most of my adult life. I can be awkward or intense sometimes, but I like to think I'm a normal person. I've held this theory for a long time; its almost if American society is set up to isolate people. People live in generic suburbs, planned communities, condominiums for years, and they don't even know their neighbors. They drive almost everywhere, which is a very isolating experiance. When you are in public, you are just a consumer or a rando, there is hardly any meaningful contact with other people. I actually think this is the real appeal of religion, to belong to a community, except then you have to believe in stupid things. I actually think this is the cause of all these social pathologies in American culture, mass shootings, drug addiction, depression and so on. The cause is lack of connection, or meaningful social interaction with other people. The question becomes; is this deliberate? A result of social engineering? Then you get into the weeds pf conspiracy theory. Or is this just a result of the mass corporate consumerism that has taken over society, especially after WWII?
So you're saying religious people who congregate and find joy in their lives because they believe in "stupid things"? And then go on to give some ridiculous take on what you believe is wrong with society? Yeah, you should just stay isolated, you'd only contribute to making things worse
Belief in The Lord Jesus Christ is anything but stupid.
But dealing with the people at church who supposedly believe in Him as you do, yes, THAT can be a cause of sadness or worse.
If you believe the planet is only 6,000 years old, that there is an invisible man who lives in sky watching your every move, that a woman gave birth without ever having sex, that a man 2,000 years ago walked on water (you should try that sometimes) and that he was tortured to death and then came back to life, by definition, you believe in stupid things.
Could be referring to any group ideology, i wouldnt just assume thats directed at christianity. I think its more directed at extremist think.
I have had a lot of loss and suffering in my life and it's really really difficult to find hope. I suffered abuse at the hands of a narcissistic step dad and in turn not realizing it, ended up with a worse narcissistic partner for a very long time. Now I'm being discarded like I'm nothing after spending half of my life invested into that relationship. He spent most of our life savings, bought himself things, and now that I am physically disabled after years of pushing myself to hard. I'm nothing, nada to him and I'm chronically rejected and told that everything is me. I'm the problem. On top of this most of my family are passed already. I have no living immediate family besides one cousin and aunt and uncle. I didn't work that much and can't now for sure. So I am pretty isolated. So along with physical chronic pain, the mental torture is unbearable. I just don't want to be here in all honesty, the only thing at the very moment is keeping me here is my dog. Sad isn't it.
WOW
thx for going through hell, Dr. Peterson, in order to be able to deliver this enlightening unpacking in under a ton of lifetime.
this snippet alone has justified your whole existence, as well as those who helped you build it, and last but not least Mr. Walsh's for his intelligent straight to the point interest which triggered your wisdom to come forth and unfold so eloquently. everyone connected to this snipped existing should feel a lot better about themselves and the amount of good carma this built and the negative resolved! 🙏
Look at the jacket again!!,so fashion , what a man!🎉so stylish in mind and body!❤🎉!the best therapist ever thanks Mr.Peterson you helped me a lot, a lot , that you can't imagine!!
I have been looking for this, in conversation with a friend about different possible causes for depression, and how it sometimes presents as a physical disposition which can be treated with physical remedy like diet or movement
My sis is 4 years older, so we had the same high school, same teachers. They had all kinds of activities, sports or general knowledge competitions with other cities, radio in the brakes, cheerleaders etc. 4 years later, same teachers, nothing happened. Just wasted time. I feel like my whole life has been like that, walking in others ruins
I had an extremely difficult life. The Faith in God gave me necessary stability and sanity. The support of my devoted parents provided the sense of security. I was lucky never to be depressed.
I went to my doctor to get treatment for postpartum depression after one of my littles came along and I felt bad about asking. My doctor told me depression is an illness and it's okay to get treatment, just like it's okay to get treatment for a heart condition or for seizures. I know depression has many potential causes but that over simplified statement from that doctor helped me a lot when it comes to my mental health (or the occasional lack there of 😂😂)
I've Graves Disease which is incurable. Which is an autoimmune disorder where your own antibodies attack your thyroid gland which in turn produces the hormones needed for the metabolism of every cell in your body.
Ablation with radioactive iodine or surgery to remove your thyroid is how they used to treat it. Then you have to take synthetic thyroid hormone the rest of your life.
@@3catsn1dog Yes, the treatment is borderline barbaric, since the Graves autoimmune response is still there. Those antibodies are still circulating. Lets cut out a major gland in the body responsible for the metabolism of every cell in your body and give you synthetic hormones for the rest of your life. The treatment is from the start of the 20th century.
Modern studies focus on how there's a gut dysbiosis in people with Graves and other autoimmune disease but no direct cause/effect solution has been devised yet.
Root cause of depression is the feeling of hopeless and helpless.
I was diagnosed with colic as s baby. I've had GI issues all of my life. The majority of serotonin stems from the GI tract and is within the gut and brain axis. So, unless my GI issues and any other possible conditions are treated properly, I'm still doomed in that context.
Hypothyroidism makes it worse also
I haven't been able to get a proper endocrinologist for almost 1.5 years now due to insurance coverage and available offices with extreme waiting lists!
I am much healed, after 10 years of severe intermittent flashbacks - PTSD. ADHD continues to be an issue. Trust me healing is possible.
Being someone who struggled with both (being sick) and depression caused by food I agree with both. I can tell you I feel fine one second and not (depressed) it’s totally affected by what I eat. The other dealing with health issues my whole life, carrying that burden or not being able to be a normal human takes its toll. Boy could we talk.
Depression is having someone come onto your home while your out, bust things and if you say anything your told you have a mental disorder
No that's just being a people pleaser
That sounds like you’re dealing with an abusive person. Please get that individual out of your life.
The only expert that can diagnose & treat depression is the Person who creates humans. "Professionals" are more likely to delay or interfere with that process. Love cannot be bought.
I have Bipolar depression. I can't take a single antidepressant because of side affects. It's hell!
I get really depressed when I get sick. When I get sick I noticed the depression kick in. Not just I feel sad, but like serious I hate this life type of depression. I understand but I still fell it.
I wonder if it's the reverse, but so subtle, you can't tell?
@@siegfriedbraun5447 I have had to deal with serious depression in the past, clinical shit. I did the work to bring myself out of it and I can manage so I know what true depression feels like. Being depressed can cause physical issues but this is a bit different. I am a lot more aware so I can feel depression and can tell if something is going on in my life or if I am sick. If something is going on in my life depression can serve as a tool to let me know I need to make changes otherwise I will fall deeper and deeper into a funk. Other times I realize I am sick and for whatever reason it makes me feel depressed. Combine that with sick and actually needing to fix something sucks.
The broadest and perhaps the only thing that I have taken from this discussion is how limited our communication is and how we are stuck in semantics to communicate aspects of the human condition. O the one hand, we need to define everything for clarity and differentiation, and on the other, there are no clear lines or perhaps imaginary ones between concepts. The thing is, depression is essentially not a concept. It is an existential condition.
Well said. And even further, those who are less articulate would struggle even more trying to communicate what they're feeling, and trying to express the complexities within that they believe are causing it. This child make them feel even more alone, worthless, or hopeless thag anyone could understand.
I'd say the one commonality with depressed people, regardless of the cause, is the slow surrender and will to live and carry on. Suicide is the end, but the way down revolves around the concept, even if the end "solution" hasn't crossed their mind yet. It's looking at life and asking "why?" And never having an answer worthy of your energy effort or struggle.
I was depressed my entire life until literally watching Dr. Eric Berg's videos on high carb diets, insulin resistance, and water fasting. Literally, every doctor wasted my time or condescendingly spoke to me as if I was an idiot for feeling how I did.
It is DEEP REST, as Jim Carrey says. For many years I wondered what is the strange comfort we feel when listening to the traditional African song Awimoweh ("In the jungle, the mighty jungle, the lion sleeps tonight.") Finally I knew -- WE are the Lion. Wimoweh
(Uyimbube) in Zulu means "you are a lion." We are a small ape who bears the mantle of power, of the Great Lion, and we become so weary. It is a song of rest, deep rest.
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Beautiful way to describe it. Thank you.
Depression (by my own experience) is like someone who got a hold of your brain and stunts your intellectual capacity or literally ties it into knots. Talk about those who steal others souls....this is very painful to deal with too.
Depression is based upon thinking about the past, and wishing things were different. It’s caused by trying to bend reality to the way you ideally want it to be. It’s basically an attachment to wishful thinking as if it should come true.
I Love Jordan Peterson. Stumbled on this depression video. I wish I knew what is really up with me. Almost 30 years of undiagnosed issue's. Don't like doctor's. They're way too liberal these day's. 😢
I have to wonder if Dr. Peterson differentiates between the problem someone wants to work on, versus the cause, and that is that sets him apart from other clinicians. For example: what if the diagnosis for most is what people want help with. However, for Dr. Peterson a diagnosis is the root cause of the problem.
Kind of like going to the doctor for a broken arm. The diagnosis is "broken arm," however, Dr. Peterson wants to find out if there is a calcium deficiency, or did they simply engage in reckless behavior?
Dr. Peterson, wants to make sure that he is treating the problem, and not just the symptom.
You like the jacket because the ladder on your jacket means you always enjoy climbing higher than you are presently. The buffalo 🦬 means "charge forward." Can't see the other images on the jacket.
this guy explains depression with verbiage like a sommelier and their aged wines.
You can be depressed and have anxiety when you have heart disease. Also Nirupathy
Thank God I am an artist. Our oddness is tolerated. I have happily avoided much of straight society, but can dive into and come out with the money I need.
For years I've listened to dr Jordan Peterson, and with respect, I find it hard to follow what he is saying or hear what the facts are. Many many words.
One of his problems is he rambles on and forgets who he is talking to which is regular people.
I've been following him for years. And currently I understand most things he says. Except when he goes on philosophical conversations😂
True. He rambles too much and moves off on tangents.
Sticking with it! Piecing together the bits you can follow may deepen your understanding…and continue to fill in the blanks🙂
He certainly loves the sound of his own voice.
I used to think depression was just in your head and thus you could think your way out of it so it would never happen to me. I was wrong.
That would seem to be the logical reasoning in my view.. But knowing that exercising can put you in a different state of mind Definitely tears that model of thinking to shreds.
Bad upbringing by parents, family & community can lead you with all sorts of dysfunctions, along with ovjectively maling you lose hair younger, getting sick more often getting obese, or stunting your growth & iQ which would further exacerbate your stress & depression because you are now clearly inferior to your surroundings or community who seemed to have less, but end up with more because they had better health, guidance & support...
While you were starving & lost in the woods. You had the genes, the potential, and it all got wasted, it may take you many years just to realize "it wasn't your fault", but by then you are 20-40 & destroyed years of your life or body & people see you as too old to be worth of care, a chance or investment.
I can give my dog a treat and say, "good boy!" or I can kick him down the stairs. In either case I can make the true statement that, "I have treated my dog". The word 'treatment' is the most mis-overused word in the English language. !00% of ALL drug commercials claim their drug can 'treat' any of such conditions stated within the commercial and remains a true statement. The word 'treatment' is as impotent as any politician's rhetoric. Pretty much qualifies as #1 in the word-salad list of deception.
Now I'm really depressed🤣🤣
To my understanding illness be it mental, emotional or physical starts from a trauma or an unwanted experience which affects the gut microbiome negatively allowing the bad bacteria to take over and create an imbalance. The intelligence of this microbiome governs our thoughts and feelings. The imbalance creates a deficit in the production of serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin which in turn creates depression. It becomes a cycle in which its so difficult to break free from because the microbiome will now crave the sugars and addictive foods containing toxins to give it temporary relief, creating more and more physical issues. Overweight, high blood pressure, digestive issues, metabolic imbalances. If we start to look at our problems through the gut and replace the missing microbes, then we stand a much better chance of getting back on top of things. When we feel good as a result of our body producing the feel good hormones then we think better thoughts and so create a better environment for ourselves. We have evolved from microbes and their intelligence is the driving force behind how we live.
Since 2018, I've been rear ended by a local cop, discovered I had thyroid cancer bcse of said accident..... dealt with a housefire that killed my Millie dog, but managed to save my best friends Mom (we were all roommates at the time)...... In 2022, my own Mom and son died not even two months apart...... please tell me again about going thru things and dealing with depression..... I dearly wish I could afford you. I may not want to hear what you'd have to say, but you you'd say the things I'd have to hear
My depression was closely linked to my menstrual period .
I had a hellish time all my life and it was hormones that were causing it .
More research into how hormones can control our bodies especially for some women.
I was the same , and even worse when two of my children were born . When I hit menopause I was again banged with depression ! I went on hHRT . I have been on it for 30 years , and not had any more episodes . I definitely believe it is hormone caused . Live was a rollercoaster without HRT now it is sooooo smooth !
I believe there is an hereditary depression . My grandmother , Uncle , Father , Brother , daughter and my self all have suffered very serious depression needing hospitalization or suicide .
Sorry to hear.
Thanks
I thought depression was lack of free Will or not having safe space or quality time being overcome by negative forces, not being allowed or unable to reach positivity again so lack of power and energy feeling heavy, overburdened
depression can be adjusted by dealing with externals, but I have found that anxiety is a monster that comes on its own . I had to be medicated for general anxiety disorder---it came for no reason
Major Depressive Disorder is the same way. An episode will come out of nowhere and debilitate you.
The expression on his face .. "holy shit this guys is smart" :D
I have a lot of shame that my mother and my best friend were not honored by eulogies nor did I write their obituaries. To this day I still can’t. I’m not comfortable with my words, I don’t know what to say.
I believe they know your feelings without you saying it out loud
What do you MEAN by depress?! What do you MEAN by ion?!
I saved my mother life and I'm treated like I'm unwanted or not needed because she's being told that behind my back. That's why there's cameras in my home and I'm not able to access them. I do know who has access to the cameras but I live here and I don't have access to them
Get help
@MatthewTaylor-yz4dn im afraid if i say anything I'm either gonna be thrown out on the street or have hands put on me
You have to differentiate to integrate.
The context of functions is important