MPC Vs Deluge: PART 1 - BIG SCREEN VS SMALL / SAMPLING / NOTE INPUT / BUTTON COMBOS
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- Опубліковано 13 лис 2021
- Hi guys! Welcome to a new episode of Sampler Wars, where we compare two well loved samplers and see which one is best for you, beyond the spec sheet and in practical everyday use. This time, we´ll be looking as the @SynthstromAudible Deluge vs the @AkaiProVideo MPC. In part 1, we´ll go over the workflow difference of having a touch screen vs a small SP 404 type screen, note input, button combos and sampling.
In Part two we´ll continue to dig in with things like the internal synths, cpu power, MIDI integration, portability and battery life and more! Hope you join the conversation! See you next time
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It would fun to see an update if you have played with the Deluge community firmware and screen change. I think the primary criticism of the complexity doesn't go away, but both products have evolved enough that this would be an easy popular video since so many of us are interested in your thoughts on these issues. Two years later I still found this and part 2 useful, thank you!
I own both the Deluge and an MPC One, and both are great. The deluge obviously costs more then the One but seeing as the Live and One are very similar I think the comparison holds.
The deluge is a brilliant portable music composition device but it’s screen and browsing ability lets it down. If you plan on using the deluge regularly then I agree that you’ll end up remembering all the shortcuts and that certainly helps, however if you know you are not going to be using it all the time then the frustrations mentioned in this video will be felt.
Also if you enjoy sample editing then the MPC is the one to go for. The deluge does the job and is pretty novel in the way it shows the wavelengths but you cannot beat the Akai when it comes to editing and sampling.
Like all comparisons it’s all about what you want as a composer. Deluge for Portability, sequencing and probability; MPC for sampling, beat making and those new virtual synths in the latest update.
Recently bought Deluge with oled display .. revisited this video and just here realised how VAST difference made oled display in Deluge .. True game changer.
Good Sir, you have answered all of my quandries-along with ones I didn't even know I had. Thanks for the succinct, yet comprehensive, comparison (new subscriber). I've been shopping around for the right device and, after a LOT of investigation, I think the Deluge is my top candidate for what I'm doing and how I'm doing it. Thanks👍
can this guy's video get any better?!? Always love your content, thank you!
Thank you for the kindness my friend! Always great to have you here🙏🏼 see you soon✌🏻
Battle should always be so nice. Very useful AND entertaining for me. Thanks
What an excellent video. Thanks for the wonderful comparison.
Loving my Live 2, the new 2.10 instrument plugins are quite deep and presets vast... Almost over whelming
All the way from Wellington, New Zealand....it's Deluge!
You had me at ergo...cheers!
I would like to see a deeper Deluge exploration
I absolutely love my Deluge - I traded in a few old korg boxes and some other gear and got one a year ago. As my only device the muscle memory is there (as you say!) and I can get where I want to quickly. The Deluge sampling workflow is not amazing (for instance, no truncate, which is a pain), but after a bit of practice it's quick to break up a beat or a melodic sample. I'm adding an SP-404 to the mix for live performance and to add a greater range of FX - the Deluge is very clean sounding and needs a companion to deliver more of a lofi vibe. Great video, thanks.
My best friend has the Deluge and I have the MPC. After using both, I think the Deluge is better for sequence based music while the MPC is better for sampling. I wish you would do a comparison of the synth engine and FX capabilities on each. I found the MPC to be better and more versatile for FX while the Deluge has more comprehensive synth engines. Just my thoughts. They each have thier own advantages depending on the user's workflow and what style of music you are trying to make. They sound great together tho!!!!
I looked at both a long time, but ultimately decided on the Deluge and I think you've outlined the differences well. I was looking for a really easy intuitive sequencer with synths and I didn't care about sampling so I think I made the right choice. But I can see how somebody who relies more on sampling might make a different choice. Also the Deluge requires more memorization to get the full functionality and to make it open up, and I can get why somebody might not want to take on that learning curve. I absolutely love it but I can get why others don't.
Do you feel the mpc would be better in a live performance environment?
@@adamking3380 I think it depends on your performance style. After using both devices, the MPC can definitely hold its own for a 2 hour set (even 4 hours on the battery if you really want to), but it still has some issues to perform well. For example, it's difficult to switch between projects due to load times, so you really have to have most everything in one big project and bounce everything to samples in order to transition smoothly from one song to the next. The Deluge can definitely be used as a standalone performance device, but I'm not sure that it could hold up for 2 hours, just due to the sample editing features. I think it would be great for a 30-45 min set, but any longer than that probably needs another device to help with transitions or generate more interest in the performance. The MPC has the XYFX, Pad Mutes, Track mutes, and Master FX like Half-Speed that make it ideal for live performance, so for the most part, the MPC wins. The Deluge works well as a companion for other gear, and could be the brain of a small setup, for example adding a small mixer, a Volca sample, and maybe a KP-3 Kaoss Pad would be a great combo for a 1-2 hour live set.
Yes...the Deluge sampling is a bit convoluted in comparison...
I love my Deluge for the workflow and for creating entire synthwave songs in arranger mode. I recently got an MPC Live and haven't properly learned how to use it yet, but I'm looking forward to doing so. Love your channel, keep the great content coming!
Hey Acidbasement,
I am hesitating between the Deluge and Mpc Live 2 and I am into same kind of music as you... so after 2 years, how would you compare them ? Thank you 😉
@@JH-qg5ho hi! I ended up trading my MPC for a Digitakt, and it was the right move for me. I just couldn't connect with the MPC workflow, though I know a lot of people love it. The Deluge is so good for composing, so quick and intuitive. The synth engine is pretty good too, once you get past the sounds that come bundled with it. And now with the open source firmware.... I'd say it's an easy choice.
@@acidbasement Thank you so much for the feedback 😉
The deluge’s superpowers are disk-streaming, the sequencer, portability(it’s a lot smaller than an MPC) and the singular vision of design that comes from one person. The MPC on the other hand is super flexible. The I/O(midi and 32 audio Chan routing), sampling choices(chop tool paradise, auto sample, fat ssd), and it’s solid cpu efficient synths and fx are awesome. But sensitive pads, good preset/packs, a modular synth and lush/complex fx are lacking on both. (But that where a M+ comes in if you can deal with the bleeding edge of a new product, crackles and crashes)
Here’s hoping that the disk streaming they added to the force makes its way to the MPC in the next update! Thanks for watching!
I have the Akai Force, Elektron Digitakt, A4, RYTM and Octatrack. I recently bought a Dirtywave M8 without any tracker experience (I returned the Polyend Tracker). I FREAKIN' LOVE THE M8. Once the muscle memory kicks in the experience is super low friction. The UI is extremely smart. There is 3 synths in it. The samplings / chopping UX is super nice. And the audio quality is on par with the best.
I've had a Deluge for a few years and I sold it a couple of months ago. I still love the Deluge, the community behind it, the workflow, the performance and the company itself. On the other hand, it has some drawbacks and the lack of a decent screen is definitely the big one.
Many Deluge users see this tiny 8-segment screen as a plus and I get that, but I'm not sold on it. It's actually the biggest reason why I sold it in the end (the other one was the lack of decent FX). In the beginning you deny it's an issue, you think you can live with it, you're making excuses for it and finding workarounds. But if you've had the thing for a while, it gets pretty old.
It was cumbersome to browse for presets, load projects, etc. Having a qwerty keyboard on it helped for a while and you could type in your own filenames, which made life a bit easier, but it never felt fluent. Starting a project on the Deluge and wanting to finish it in Ableton was also something that felt a bit annoying. I felt there was was always some kind of workaround necessary for these type of things. Although the machine itself is very capable and once you know the shortcuts, you can get around it pretty fast, there also some major downsides.
There's a decent chance that I will own another Deluge in the future or maybe it's successor in a few years, but for now I'm using an MPC Live 2 and for me it does every thing the Deluge did for me, being the brain of my hardware setup, being able to sample my own instruments and being the perfect sketch pad to start ideas on. The upside is that I can now easily start a project on the MPC and finish it in Ableton, the sampling workflow is really nice, having Splice support is a big plus, the FX are a lot better and easier to implement imo. And then I didn't even mention all the other features that got added in the meantime like support for Class Compliant Audio Interfaces.
The MPC is not perfect either, but suits my needs a lot better.
To each their own! And I can totally relate to the screen issue. The shortcuts help a lot, but yeah... I wish there was a color screen, better FX, and an even deeper synth engine. Just... don't change the sequencer :)
I dont have a deluge (I'm so close to buying one, though). If they put a decent size screen on it, added a synth engine or two, and made it a bit more DAW friendly, holy man. It would be a dream
I like these comparisons vids you do
Thank you my friend! Hope to make a few cool ones this year! See you soon!
Long term Deluge user here. I'm in love with this little box, but if there was one other I'd get, it'd be the Akai. The Deluge is a brilliant, fuss free knob twisting delight. In a way I love the 70s display screen and wooden cheeks, blurring a modern machine with a classic look. And you're right about the muscle memory with it.
I love the way you describe it, it helps explain why I love it too. I come from a musician background and my main frustration creating electronic music has been finding a sequencer that feels like an instrument, as far as ease of bringing forth listenable (unsampled) songs are concerned. Unlocking the grid's potential is no different than constant practicing on a guitar...developing the muscle memory helps unlock the potential. The screen and wood make it easy to fetishize, just like any self respecting guitarist would of their axe! No disrespect to the MPC line and the people who make great music with it, but for me and my background, the Deluge was definitely the right choice.
Would the deluge be a more practical pick over the MPC for live performances?
@@adamking3380 If you memorize the shortcuts you like to use on the Deluge, there should be no menu diving. It should feel a little more like an actual instrument in that respect. But I feel it needs to be paired with a MIDI controller to get the best results (unless your live music is all about triggering loops), whereas maybe an external controller is not as critical with the MPC.
Nice
Now that the game-changing OLED came to the deluge I'm working on a pad overlay that will take every four Deluge pads and turn them into one larger pad . It just lays over top if you want to do some finger drumming or something like that then you can just pull it off.
Utilizing the open-source firmware to add a mode for this
This is the comparison I’ve been waiting for! My main question is - which is better for (a flexible) live performance? Does one ‘out improvise’ the other?
My gut says the MPC is better for my live performance ambitions - but there’s a LOT that I don’t know.
Thanks for any responses!
Out of the box, I suspect the MPC might be better. If you're chopping samples, the choice might get even easier. Their pads are well respected. I used to ask around a lot and nobody has ever mentioned superior pads, except for maybe Maschine. If you have to menu dive during a performance and aren't too familiar with everything the box can do, the MPC will get you there faster.
However as soon as you add a MIDI controller with velocity and aftertouch to the equation, and assuming you're willing to devote the time to mastering the Deluge's grid, the comparison gets a lot stickier. As a sequencer I'm having a hard time imagining anything easier or more intuitive. Nothing is faster for getting an idea in the head into reality out of speakers. In this respect it really feels like an instrument. Having a wealth of synths on board (170 presets) makes it great for writing from scratch _or_ filling in the gaps left by your main synths. Once the shortcuts are ingrained, there should be virtually no menu diving during a performance.
I say all this as a musician who pretty much ignores sampling, so that really didn't factor into my decision. I used to be a bassist and so I'm accustomed to knowing only one instrument, but devoting the time to learn it well and so it's natural for me to approach the Deluge in the same way. Keeping the shortcuts ingrained is no different than constant practice on the guitar, muscle memory is an integral part of being a musician. I can see how somebody who relies more on sampling (esp creating their own) might make a different choice. But if easy fast sequencing is of primary importance, for both drums and other instruments, then Deluge all the way.
@@sinepilot Yeah I’ve been coming to the same conclusion over the last couple of months. Thanks for taking the time to reply at such length - I really appreciate it 👍🏻
I have a Deluge and MPC One.
I love them both and have yet to mate them. I will say that Deluge slows down when I start having too much fun; the MPC never slows down. Deluge also has voice stealing. I bet the processing power and memory are noteworthy comparison item - prob with that is MPC has tons of each and shares that need with its massive display.
Lastly I’ll say sample management on the Deluge is terrible. It’s too easy to mess up organization; and unless you’re handy with XML editing and/or completely re-hashing your sample orG structure it’s just a total drag.
Last last - sneaking suspicion that MPC just sounds overall crisper; punchier. But Deluge is great for getting weird and I think if I just use it to make weird stuff I can pass it through the MPC and vice versa and have a stellar time
This is a great. I'm looking for a good sequencer/brain for a synth, semi modular/modular set up.
I'm debating between Keystep Pro, Deluge, MPC-X, Electron, TR-8S or just try to find a analogue sequencer, pedals and go manual.
I'd love to see a sequencer wars series too. Looking forward to part 2!
Sequencer in deluge is amazing. If that's what you need the most, go for it. Everything else is uhm somewhat specific. I've exchanged my deluge to akai force and even though sequencer is not as enjoyable, i think it is better all-rounder machine.
FWIW, I really wanted the Deluge's grid-based sequencer, but assumed I'd want to add a MIDI keyboard controller with velocity and aftertouch, so I went with the Deluge and the simpler Keystep 37 instead of the Keystep Pro and I'm glad I did. The Pro definitely would have been overkill
wonderful video as always keep it mate. Regards from London
Thank you so much mate! London is one of my favorite cities that I’ve ever visited, hope to go back there someday soon! Cheers🤟🏻
@@MidlifeSynthesist when come back here give me a shout. Would love to be your host my good friend
@@mateythegreat1399 🙌🏻
THANK YOU! I've been watching the MCP from a long time, unsure if that was the machine for me. Watching videos to understand if it was meeting my needs, I've ended up on this video and there it is, THAT is my machine! The Deluge! I'm a piano-roll addict, I've spent years creating songs one note at a time and that is how I love to do it and when you've showed that the buttons on the Deluge are actually a piano roll.. well, thanks again, I wanted that :) I'm subscribing, I love how you explain things and want to interact with your audience 👍
EDIT: OOPS.. I've just stumbled on Squarp Hapax... oh, my...
EDIT2: And it's cheaper, and it has 2 screens, and it's newer, and it ships for free.. is it that good? At a first glance.. mmhh...
EDIT3 (after some videos on Hapax) ..but it has no sounds, so... back to Deluge :D
Lol, I guess there is no such thing as the perfect groovebox. The Deluge has been an extremely fun and useful device for me, though it does have some limitations like everything else. I think a case can be made for having both deluge and mpc (gas, I know). hapax looks awesome, hope yo try it out some day. Thanks for watching my friend, see you soon!
@@MidlifeSynthesist I bought it eventually, mostly thanks to your video :) It is true, nothing is perfect and the Deluge "screen" is a good example, but for me having a "piano roll" inside a box with all those sounds is a dream! Thanks again :)
I really love the Deluge, use it almost every day. If the screen was even a tiny bit better I would consider it close to perfect - it is sad that you can only see a few letters of a sample name at a time. Sample editing is awkward enough that I do it on a computer instead, I don't mind that too much but it is a downside. The lack of velocity on the pads is another real issue, but on the positive side its very easy to record midi from another synth, and its also very easy to edit velocity.
glad you up early in music land
I need to get glasses to read the Deluge print.
Great video, as always, and I enjoyed every bit of it. All I can say reg. comparison of these two machines is that the Deluge I will absolutely >>>never
I have the AKAI Force. Absolute beast. Is there a case for owning both?
The Akai Force is the better option... Though the last update has introduced a lot of bugs that might turn a lot of people off. If Akai fixes those problems in the next update it will be the uncontested standalone production box.
Based on the nature of the problems though, I suspect there is a deeper problem of spaghetti code underneath the hood.
But for me, I can live with the bugs. It's an amazing machine.
Edit: The Deluge was my other choice before I settled on the Force. Seeing in this video how small it is, and with how liberating it is to not have a screen, part of me wishes I had gone that way. I would love to have both some day.
MPC though... I couldn't live with only 16 pads again (I was an mpc-1000 user for over a decade). Force rules over the MPC line imo.
The force looks interesting, someday it might replace my octatrack. Last time I looked it was not ready, seems to be getting closer
You can hook a cheap 64 pad Novation controller to it or the keys, problem solved.
I've exchanged deluge for force. Also had two choices (actually three, together with mc-707), went for deluge, tried to love it really hard, but alas failed
@@eboblinHow you finding the force after 1 year.
I’m on the fence between Deluge and Force ?
I bought an MPC having watched some of your videos.
I was surprised that the flagship MPC X is limited to 8 track recording. I also found the interface non-intuitive. I bought B stock MPC and the pad 13 was almost non responsive. £80 lost for insured shipping back to the supplier.
Clearly I had a bad experience but I don’t think I’ll be rushing back to buy another.
Especially as Logic Pro X has had a MIDI usability upgrade recently.
In other news, I’ve got the 20% deposit paid on a beautiful custom hand built Rhodes mark 8.
Keep up the good work with your channel mid-life synthesist
Hello my friend! I’m so sorry you had a bad experience! Had the same thing happen to me with a Rev2 and a Kawasaki Ninja! Trusted brands with component failure that soured the whole experience and has made me reluctant to buy from them again. Just goes to show that life sometimes gives you lemmons😅 hope you have better luck in all future gear💪🏼 cheers!!
The MPC does have a form of probability, you can assign a four-step sequence of sounds to every pad, so you technically have probability in 25% levels and ability to play other similar sounds in the same random way.
Thanks for your Vid. What do you think, what will be the better tool for a beginner in DAWless Work. Comming from ReaperDAW and a lot of iOS Tools ( iPad ). In my View I have my eye on Polyend Tracker, MPC One or Deluge (or Others?) They have very diff.ways to Work with and also the pricing it's very diff. No Life music! I want to us IT for Ambient and downtempo music. I'm curios to See what you recommend 😉
accessing the deluge file system with that myopic interface has killed it for me. for making music its great, its the housekeeping aspect of it that gets me, managing samples and kits etc. wish it was possible to connect it to a computer to access its file system. an oled screen would have changed nothing about its music making workflow and would have simplified some tasks immensely. there is definitely a middle ground between a 7" touch screen and a 4 digit alarm clock.
Probably my biggest gripe with it as well👍🏼 easy solution might be a companion app or vst that could also integrate into a DAW? Hope they come up with something cause it’s such a great machine! Thanks for watching my friend!
@@MidlifeSynthesist that would be a great idea, and would make it a lot easier to use and wouldnt interfere with their original intent at all.
I've yet to get into the sampler scene, what gear would folks recommend for a beginner?
Hello my friend, bang for buck I’d recommend getting into the MPC ecosystem with the MPC One. The platform has grown immensely with each new firmware update (new one coming out on the 23rd of june) and seems to have room for more. My second recommendation would be the sp404mk2 if you want a straightforward sampler. Hope that helps!
Deluge rules, if you need, get both lol
Duude! So cool to see you here! You rock the sh** out of the deluge💪🏼
Ps: the answer is always both🤣
MPC DANG!
Dang!
Availability is also important, I wanted a Deluge, BUT you can only get it from NZ and they don't do paypal or any form of credit, There is also the dreaded VAT and import duty etc to consider. Whereas the MPC live(now live 2) is available in all your normal music suppliers where you can pay via Paypal Credit(in my case) or other credit companies and no import problems. Also there is a lot of information on how to get started on the MPC, not so much for the Deluge.
If the Deluge had a better/larger screen I would overcome the availability problem somehow. Used Deluges are quite rare in the UK as that was another avenue I explored unsuccessfully. If they make a Deluge mk2 with a larger screen and touch and velocity sensitive buttons, I would be right at the front of the queue, but I can't in all honesty see that ever happening. In the meantime I am very happy with my MPC live.
"BUT you can only get it from NZ and they don't do paypal or any form of credit" that's not true at all (at least for USA residents). There are credit card, paypal and bank transfer options. I paid 24.00 for shipping and had the unit a week later.
Deluge is the best hands down🤠 water
Spoiler alert: Congrats to Deluge! :P
What I'd LOVE the MPC to do is to copy the user interface / controls of the Fantom G series. That sequencer really was something else, it was easy to use and was lightning fast even without a touchscreen. You could connect a mouse but I never ever used that, since the scrollwheel, cursor keys and shift key was all that was needed. Direct editing of the pianoroll was very much a list based affair though. Note sure how you could improve that except for using a larger screen and a pen - kinda like why I enjoy using Korg Gadget on the ipad a lot.
Why would Akai do that? Then it wouldn’t be an MPC?
Do ether of these machines offer a way to live record with a trigger, like the Octatrack?
Totally different use case, octa is more leaning toward live performance. While MPC and Deluge are designed as daw in a box. Ofcourse you can apply effects per notes on mpc or deluge, but you will have different approach to reach the goal.
There is a midi foot switch option for the looping and recording functions Synthstrom made their own but not sure if it is available. You can use other options not sure exactly what will work.
Deluge reminds me a weird marriage of that emu 128 with yamaha rs7000 . Is a proper fun groovebox for electronic especially and packs a killer fm and prolly one of the best sequencers too. .mpc is well mpc not really a groovebox but a drum machine sampler with optional synths which they sound meh at best and 90%, if act as a main clock in a dawless ecosystem is out of sync.. but for functionality is a mucb faster machine to learn . Deluge is pretty deep
Last but not least deluge actually fixing bugs on updates dont bypass em...
Stress test please
Stress test pls
I've switched from MPC live to Deluge, then to Force, then back to Deluge and now thinking about getting the Live 2. I'm definitely not able to choose :D
For me the Deluge screen was never an issue. I loved to use the OP-Z without any screen, so this also fine. My nr. 1 issue with the Deluge is the performance. Just take a really good patch from boards of deluge and you're done. Scrolling starts lag, everything slows down. And that's just one patch. 2nd...the effect are really "meh". No proper distortion, reverb and delay don't sound great.
I like the workflow, it's fast. I feel i can get something started quickly, but find it difficult to finish it on the device. And there's no usb audio or export to ableton, so finishing something outside of the box will be difficult as well.
As for the MPC...looking back, there's not much to complain. There are drawbacks, but not that huge. I miss some modern ways of sequencing (param. locks, chance..) and a clip system rather than a sequence by sequence song mode. Also i can't switch from project to project seamlessly like on the Deluge and loading a project takes a while. But when it comes to sampling...OMG, it can't get easier than that.
I think there will be a Deluge for sale soon :)
MPC is really good. I switched from Digitakt to MPC ONE, and man, although I like Elektron boxes, MPC is so much more versatile and has more to offer. I was willing to compromise too much, just for sake of Elektron workflow.
I feel like Maschine gets overlooked a lot, due to its software/hardware combo origin. Coming from a classic mpc background (60 and 3000), I never got back into the mpc line. They always very menu-divy, compared to the Maschine software. I don’t own the maschine+ (yet) but I don’t think the mk3 and + differ alot.
But what my Maschine-spoiled self doesn’t have, is a portable, ‘lounge anywhere and play around’ allround sampler.
I do own the op-1, sp404 OG and still waiting on my mk2. But as much as I love them for what they are, they shine and frustrate both , due to their limits.
On paper the mk2 is a dream come true, but the biggest ‘what if’ is the Deluge to me. And while the MPC probably does more things that appeal to my genre (hiphop), I can’t help but get the feeling I’m getting the same experience as Maschine, but less fluid workflow wise. The Deluge might be one ‘lazy chop’ function away.
How ‘annoying’ do you think the sampler’s limits on the deluge get over time? And does the ease of the sequencer compensate for the extra time it takes to edit samples when looking at its workflow compared to the MPC?
I don't do much sampling so it was an easier decision for me. If sequencing has been your frustration, Deluge's grid is the answer. The right sequencer was the missing holy grail of my setup until I found the Deluge. So fast & intuitive compared to anything else
@@sinepilot you make a great point: ‘what is my main frustration in my current workflow’ is what I should focus on. I think due to starting out on vintage gear, I’m pretty quick with sample editing, but also spoiled by maschine. I think what my dream machine (pun intended) is a portable battery powered Maschine+. Which would be a logical next step for Maschine. Guess I’ll just wait for my sp404 mk2 and that next Maschine version in the future.
But… I do love gear, ideally I just have them all and switch when I feel like it hahaha! Too bad my budget doesn’t agree.. at all. I’m a weirdo that likes the grey Octatrack just because of its look. I want a deluge because it’s different and made by a small passionate company … yeah, most of the time common sense is out the window and it’s just a feeling. And a dosage of fomo.
@@bagoftrix So what do you think you're missing more? A great sequencer or a great sample editor? If you've already got an Octatrack, my vote is go with the Deluge. Full disclosure: I don't juggle many files or samples so the reported pain of browsing the Deluge isn't really a deterrent for me.
I stopped following Maschine after a while... From what I last heard the software was a bug-ridden clusterf**k though. Any news on that front?
Rn I don't own any of these boxes. What I want is sth. that has intuitive/logical workflow as much as possible, gets me off staring at my computer's screen as much as possible, and getting as far to finished song before loading stuff into a DAW and finishing there. Would I be mistaken to dismiss Maschine from the list of candidates in your opinion?
@@kostoglotow its been stable for me, I had a horrible version some updates ago, but right now it’s in a good place I think. The hardware/software synergy is what makes me love this workflow the most. Zero menu diving. But granted, they are slow in getting features added that should’ve been there already. Like backup auto-saving. Crash means bye bye everything since you last manual save. But no device or software is perfect, to me, it’s workflow almost is.
Well done so far!
I seldomly watch video's from start to end, but this one happens to be very fitting for me (an I watched it from start to end)
You already talked about my main 'concern' (screen vs no screen).
My second big question with these machines comes to 'the rest of the process'. So after making a song on the device. What do you (have to) do to make it a finished track. I'm thinking multitracking to a DAW (do you need it, how well does it work etc.etc.).
Third big question : internal synth engines. How do they compare soundwise. Same for the FX sections. (is that question 4 then?)
Fourth (fifth, if you count FX as a separate question) using the device as you 'main brain' in a multi instrument setup. What are the pro's and con's for each one when using them as your main sequencer for other synths / drum machines.
Thanks man, I really like the niche you fill when it comes to talking about how it is to use a product without ending up with 30minutes of blablabla
And one kind request , please don't use intermediate ads (they did not appear, but if you have plans.....) .
I know it will generate more money (and you have to earn a living), but it really kills the video flow for me (and I usually end up skipping to something else because I don't like this)
I still would own a Deluge.
No one ever talks about how you could make them both work at the same time
Deluge all the way..
"this video is sponsored by my day job" was the best joke of synthtube I've heard. Shame it's not included in this video
Having experience on both, you may want to consider testing out the Akai Force. In some ways, it’s like the Deluge and MPC had a love child.
I still have my MPC because, well…I’ve always had an MPC and I just love how they work…but the Force is becoming my second favorite.
Hello my friend and thanks for watching! The Force has become a beast after all the recent updates and hopefully I’ll get my hands on one someday🤟🏻 can’t afford it right now though😅 see you around!
@@MidlifeSynthesist I don’t know where you’re located, but if you were local to me I may be able to arrange a loaner (mine). PM me if that interests you.
I’ve been using both for a long time. The MPC handles chopped beats, chopped vocal samples, and some of the soft synths are really great.
Everything else, including the sequencing, is handled by the deluge. The beats layout is so intuitive, the adaptive keyboard is amazing to play, and live playback is such a dream.
Since I already struggled with the Roland 707, I would be totally lost with the Deluge workflow. That insult called "display" is a bloody joke. Why they had to opt for such an extreme approach? Minimalism above everything? No thanks. Super happy with my Akai Force now!
They got a new OLED screen. How do you feel about it now? 🤔
i think the mpc can withdraw before the start of the match. big winner, the deluge
Why is that? Lol
Sounds like the words of person who hasn’t fully used both. The Deluge is a treasure, but as far as making full complete professional style tracks, I’d never give up the MPC.
@@joshualane1716 Yes, I used both. the deluge workflow is better thought out
I cant stand remembering deluge button combos and that dam file diving in the limited screen , and even though when i have used it ive gotten original cool sounding stuff i think i ill sell mine as i get sick of forgetting how to operate it if i dont use it for a couple months. i have a lot of software and gear and instruments so i dont feel like dedicating most my time to one device . I have bad short term memory and im not good at reading huge manuals so if i was to dedicate most my time to one device besides string instruments and keyboards , it would be to software like ableton . hate the deluge screen and i dont find it “retro charming” at all and wish they would design a plug in screen display app for easier work flow and less file diving . not to mention its hard for me to see the pad menu unless im in a really bright room or use a flashlight so i had to buy a layover menu short cut to even see where things are. the people at synthstrom are quite helpful though. They have a woman in customer service who’s name i cant recall but she is great ! and very helpful.
The only advantage that the MPC has over the Deluge is the nice looking screen but after that, the Deluge smokes the MPC in every category.I got rid of my MPC X. I love and kept my Deluge.
I had the MPC X, Great machine if you have a studio, but its HUGE, I downgraded to the MPC live and couldn't be happier now.