The MCU Could Learn A LOT From The Incredibles
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2024
- The Incredibles is undeniably one of Pixar’s best films. It also holds the distinction of being one of the greatest superhero movies ever produced. In a world where the superhero landscape is now dominated by the MCU and DCEU, it's hard to distinguish what came before the tidal wave of superhero content. In an era where both the Marvel and DC Cinematic Universes are struggling, perhaps it's time to take a look back at what made The Incredibles work so well for Pixar. Can anything be taken from the Incredibles franchise that could help get the DCU and MCU out of this rut?
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honestly i forgot the Incredibles was a superhero movie because it was much more than that and that is something almost all marvel movies don't have for themselves
Anyone get the sense that The Incredibles was Watchmen for kids. Retired superheros, evil conspiracy to kill them off, tons of personal drama - it’s all there, minus the alien squid.
"I cant lose you. Not again. I'm not strong enough".
I would agrue one point about Caps uniform in The Winter Solider. He's working for SHIELD, so it would be a logical assumption that they provided him with the uniform he was wearing, and it was designed to be stealthier than his normal Red White and Blue suit, you see Cap revert back to the normal style after that film because he's no longer working for SHIELD (until after Civil War where he drops the Red White & Blue in place of the more monotone style due to his lack of belief in America and the US Government at that point)
The winter soldier is actually a terrible example. Winter soldier is one of the more stylistically driven MCU movies, it’s absolutely oozing with old spy thriller vibes. The suit, (which is also a suit ripped directly from comics) works perfectly as it fits that aesthetic and symbolizes Cap’s fear that he is becoming more of a weapon for shield and less of an independent hero, setting up the entire conflict of the movie (at the end of which he literally reclaimed his old uniform to battle against the government agency that had stripped him of his identity). There are plenty of MCU movies that are creatively bankrupt and lack a distinct style, I don’t know why they chose winter soldier when it’s largely considered to be one of the most artfully shot and conceptually distinctive pieces of the MCU.
One of the best things about the Incredibles that I haven’t seen really in a marvel movie yet is the villain is actually threatening…… that and his end goal is actually somewhat unique.
The Incredibles was written in a time when movie writing was more risky. Now everything goes through an algorithm to please everybody and ends up failing because it's flat. Evidenced by The Incredibles 2
Fun Fact: Jason Lee (Syndrome) recorded his lines in four days, while Craig T. Nelson (Mr. Incredible) recorded his lines over the span of two years.
I'd like to note something. The Avengers did have really clearly defined roles and I did enjoy that, and a look at the family dynamic of the GOTG. However, I don't feel like the Black Widow family has a bad dynamic. They were one of the most interesting parts of the film with how they interacted.
I think the biggest difference is that you're far less likely to get audience fatigue with a series with 2 movies than with 30. If there had been 5 Incredibles movies, that series would be struggling too.
The Incredibles is still the best superhero movie ever made. Bird innovated with not only the story of The Incredibles, but also the technology. Violet's hair was a real struggle for Pixar to animate and was causing complaining until Bird said, "Then what's the f--ing point!" Every detail of every character was important to who they are and what they brought to the story. I'm hoping Brad Bird still has one more masterpiece left in him with Ray Gunn, which he came up with the idea for way back in the 90s.
I thought Shang Chi did a fine job illustrating how a grieving father deteriorated his family.
shoutout to edna mode, a real G
Buddy, caps uniform in winter soldier is straight out of the comics
Nerdstalgic: The movie is BOLD and STYLIZED
The Incredibles is pretty much a Fantastic Four movie done right. Here's hoping the upcoming 2025 F4 film learns something from this.
Ant man does NOT joke the way other characters do. The concept of a character providing comedic relief? Yea that's old by the time you get to ant man...but his personality is actually well defined and unique enough in the MCU. Look toward post endgame characters for the real copy and paste.
In their mind they think they ARE making something visually unique. And their characters are being expressed well. Something I think they skipped over completely as you mentioned though, was sensible flaws for each character. They struggle with the most right now, they just make each character quippy, and give them cool powers and think that will be enough to make the audience like them. Instead of interesting internal, and personal turmoil. It's always just the world is ending and this hero is going to stop it this time
I agree that the MCU needs to be more visually inventive, but I also think there should be a purpose behind the visuals, not just random garbage being thrown at the audience. Better writing on the other hand is something the MCU desperately needs
Lesson?