The Worst Cases of Cultural Appropriation in Kpop (sorry India)
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Kpop had no shame - we look at the worst cases of cultural appropriation in Kpop.
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That BI footage is pretty gross
Shanti means peace
@@marig9236 era una niño, haciendo un performance por primera vez, ni sabía bailar. Y ni escribió la letra.
I suggest these ignorant 😒 korean use youtube a review Native American powpows. The beginning routine is straight out of a scene from Mothra .
Do you have videos about underrated groups eventhough they are actually great? I found so many great groups that actually have great music songs and skills but seems like they unknown.
Guys, he's not reviewing every racist thing done in kpop. He's just watching some while he makes a point or to further that point. It's not that he just "forgot" about them all but if he reviewed every racist moment this video would take quite a while.
This video would 800 minutes
Exactly
This video is just cherry-picking and not even addressing the source of the issue if that’s the case. It’s something I’d consider dead on arrival. Pointless even.
@@LorenzDominique this 👆🏽
@@LorenzDominique what's the source of the issue?
Shanti means peace...I kinda cringed while hearing NORAZOs song....but jokes aside Lee Hyori's case is really serious. Even if I am not religious, I can say that the Mantra she recited in her song is really important to us...I personally think it was disrespectful to dance in such a sensual way in such a sacred hyme...no wonder it triggered Indians
If your not religious then you don't have the right to speak about this topic
@@supersagarsagar i am religious and mantras should be not used for aesthetics or in any sensual way
@@Ishaeshae-n5p yes i know but i don't want people who claim themselves as atheist and non-religious to speak about it
that to a marathi girl who claims atheism
@@supersagarsagar oh okay i see maybe that person just wanted a say on it
@@supersagarsagar who tf r u to tell people what they are allowed to speak on or not. Being not very religious is not = being an atheist. A person can not celebrate every single religious festival, not fast in every single religious events and still can call them a part of that religion if they have a faith in that religion
They mix Indian and native american things together to say yes this is Indian culture, they have no idea they're disrespectimg two cultures at the same time... Same with confusing Arabic and Indian cultural things together.
As an Indian the most offensive part was of lee hyori and it baffles me that it is the most downplayed. It's not culture appropriation but disrespectful to tha max, As it's one of if not the most important prayer in Hinduism. But she'll never be called out for it, especially in Korea. We don't mind our sounds and cloths being used by other cultures but they are usually paired with racist stereotypes. And btw no one uses the term 'curry' in India.
For me when yg used ganesh ji as a prop...the whole company cudnt understand the basic term of research...cant blame the idol entirely
WHO GIVES A SH*T, SERIOUSLY? So if there is so much as a crucifix in the background, they have culturally appropriated Christianity too? I have seen many videos with crucifixes, none of which are accused of appropriation. ART IS ART and people are allowed to use any aspects of anything they please and it does NOT need to be a 100% representation because art is free. You do NOT own your culture, it is NOT property, it is a way of life. Ways of life can be chosen. You can be Indian, yet choose to live a White cultured life etc (which I have seen been done). This whole cultural appropriation crap is utter nonsense.
@@mandvisingh9203 that was defo the fault of set designers, it became problem for the girls because they had their face on it.
No one uses curry as a term is so fcuking false. Please I'm a Malayali and we do use that word for curry. Please don't talk about something that you don't know. People might not use that term in other places of thr country but they do use that in Kerala.
malayalis use the term curry a lot "chicken curry" "fish curry" etc 💀
As an Indian student studying about Korea, I really get annoyed sometimes that how even today after having access to the world through internet, Koreans are least interested in understanding Cultures of other countries mainly the Global South. They may be economically more developed but definitely they are culturally less aware about others. Also this was a common phenomenon in west also, but the Indian Americans living there have voiced their issues, in Korea they barely understand this problem. Yeah before others say anything Indian has also many problem, and yes we speaking against them whenever we see that happening in popular culture.
Bruh the only thing Koreans know abt is being big bully on internet & harrashing people on internet🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴🥴
this is so cringe. i totally agree that there is a difference between appreciation and influence of a different culture and straight up appropriation. i would love to see the extended version of this video. great job.
Musicians using instruments from other cultures or even melodies doesn’t offend unless you start combining it with images and words that offend.
Borrowing costumes and honestly dance moves starts to cross the line- especially when they start to become caricatures of a culture and worse when they can’t even appropriate a culture correctly (Native American culture-and others-gets appropriated a lot in the US as well it’s definitely not just K-pop).
"But then again, when is racism not based on ignorance, and generalization of the other race.." You hit the nail on the head right there, Danny! In this day and age, with access to information on every culture via the internet, there truly is no excuse for ignorance. If someone is making anything (based on a culture different from their's) that they plan to share with the world, then they need to do their research first. Period!
Thank you for sharing, this was an interesting watch 😊
Isn’t that Danny?
@@bembolbug haha thank you sorry--I meant Danny 😓😅
all of these materials are from many many years ago tho
I couldn't have said it better myself! 100% agree.
@@momogogochew ni sabíamos que existía el Kpop, que básicamente es una combinación de ritmos.
"Shanti" means "Peace"... Usually it used and recited oftenly with the word "Om (Aum)"which is by the way the most sacred word in Hinduism. The symbol of Hinduism also is Om
As an Northeastern Indian women I still don't make fun of classical dance doing weird hand movements because it's very disrespectful for those who give years to master the art....and then there are these people acting stupid and disrespecting it.... To idols of this generation too... They use the culture but are ignorant towards learning anything bout it ....
Right we should never make fun of traditional dances of any culture
The first "indian" concept seemed more Thai accessory inspired and to be fair I was not really offended as such but bruh ..lee hyori 😂 idk if i should laugh or cringe.. its a very important prayer/meditation mantra here and she is singing it like its some erotic anthem lol
More like South Indian
@@overlord2066 Nope. Its thai (more or less) but then several SE Asian countries do have influences from South India coz of kingdoms that ruled there.
@@sassy_llama5909 turu
I saw that in their clothing too.
True that was Thai but they were trying to do that common stereotypical dance
As a Native American, it’s pretty cringe and disrespectful when I see Idols being forced to wear headdresses.
Also, I love Dreamcatcher. But in my culture, the dreamcatchers are an scarred item that’s been made by us Natives or passed down by our elders. So, I do get a little torn. I do hope the group members know the meaning behind dreamcatchers, as well as the company. It was kind of weird for them to include “build a dreamcatcher” from their album years ago, but I do hope that the people who bought that album got educated. If not, that’s a shame. But in all, I still love the group
The thing is when it comes to religious texts and recitations being used it's not cultural appropriation anymore it's just straight up disrespectful to the religion and the people of the religion. I've seen it way too many times in K-pop and everyone keeps using the excuse of oh they don't know...really they should research before using any kind of text they don't understand.
@@MinJi_Scarlett that's true, but I was talking about the part where they used a religious recitation from Hinduism in a performance. But yes, they do show it from the clothing and moments too.
I mean we literally have musicians in the west who built their whole career on disrespecting Christian imagery and texts so yeah… but no one seems to care about that!
@@ThatKidIan4 this is very true. They need to stop. It's not right.
@@ThatKidIan4 me hiciste recordar el mv de Michael Jackson
As an Indian I would say the Lee hyori Gayatri mantra used mantra and oh my girl curry themed songs are cringe as hell 😬😝
Imagine some other genre making song upon rameyon that u have to slurp and eat
I can't even see that thing
I would better watch shit rather than those music .
I liked this video because it was a very well thought out discussion, not outright blaming the idols, but also not defending the decisions. Would love to see more content like this from DKDKTV!
The vast majority of cultures around the world actually LOVE it when foreigners take part in their culture, but only when it's done respectfully and that's the key part. It makes me incredibly happy and proud when foreigners recognize and enjoy my culture and I love sharing it with others, but the problem with a lot of kpop is how disrespectful and inaccurate it feels to the culture. Taking inspiration from another culture's traditional music is wonderful, wearing another culture's clothing can also be wonderful as long as they wear it correctly and in the right context. But taking bits of a culture and taking it out of context and making fun of it is where things become cultural appropriation. And there are also cultures like african americans who have had such a hard time over history that they don't like any outsiders taking their culture even if its done with good intentions, and we should respect those wishes. But most of us are fine with it as long as people participate in the culture with knowledge of where it came from, respect, and do things properly. Sadly kpop rarely lives up to this
Super well said
"respect their wishes", then by those words some would have no non-blacks performing a lot of types of music; no, it's okay if you give credit to and honor the origins.
@@LoveBTSeternally black people don't mind non black people making black music like rap, r&b, gospel etc, what they have a problem with is non black people wearing their hairstyles and other things like that which they've been historically oppressed for
@@hi-ve1cw those are obviously instances of cultural appropriation but there are some black people that don't support kpop groups bc of feeling the music is being co-opted without the reverence factor. For your information.
@@hi-ve1cw it's obviously better, more factual to say "some" black people. Not make broadbrush statements
When Xia Junsu from DBSK used to speak "African" on TV and the graphics used to add a bone in his nose and a pelt and a spear.
what is speaking african??
@@jazzingirl There you go, that's why I used quotation marks. I remember they used to say Junsu could speak "African" because he went to Kenya...
There are many idols that would mimic the way Black Americans speak and make gestures.
@@Natalia91 I don't know that a lot of idols doing that makes it ok, but in Junsu's case it was an imaginary gibberish that was supposed to mimick Kenyan language.
@@JazzRoyalty I was just adding to your comment. I don’t think it’s okay 😅
Honestly as painful as it is to watch I'm glad the truth is finally coming in front of everyone's eyes. That's the real korea, their real culture they are people filled with hate and yet have the guts to complain about racism they are facing it. And yes your favourite kpop idols have to put a filter on because they can't risk to lose India as their marketing field but how long are we Indians going to let this go? Bts suga in a vlive said there's a fan from India?? India has internet they have the app? And then in a run bts episode insulted India saying some stupid and a weird-a$$ name that was mentioned sounds like Indian name.
Twice jihyo disrespected out culture during the Halloween and dressing up like so called "indians/native Americans", wonwoo from seventeen choose a song like shanti shanti when asked to sing when everything about the song was wrong, some idiot actress came to India just to show the poverty and slums and broadcasted it like that's just India all of India like what are they illiterate or just arrogant and poor? And blackpink placing our statue of God on the floor and no apology nothing, now sm releasing a song that has bhagawat gita shlokas in it??? Seriously when will this stop?!! Enough is enough. We don't want korean youtubers feeding off of us reacting to our culture when in reality this is what they truly feel fu*k these people let's boycott them they don't deserve our love or anyone's. Someone who has the heart to disrespect a whole country and their whole culture deserves shit and if you guys still think they are all that lovey dovey people we see on screen do your research and snap out of it!!!
True..and people still support them is kinda 😢
I never knew about White Snake. But now that I see it, it's bad. I am not religious at all, but the Gayatri Mantra holds a very significant place, above any religious context. It is actually recited at the beginning of any new task. It symbolizes creation, good luck, prosperity, and education. Using it in a dark concept with a title (White Snake - Chinese culture believes it to be a sign of good luck and good fortune) that is important to another culture is both ignorant and arrogant.
thank you are clearly specifying you are not religious... 😂😂😂 inferiority complex never go away...
@@team_tsubasa6484 Inferiority Complex?
@@team_tsubasa6484 what does that even mean?
@@vidhighai9745 he is telling you why do you have to mention you are religious or not, it seems like you people suffer from inferiority complex thinking that if you people say you are not religious then you will become "modern"(a propaganda of the west)
@@saptarshighosh761 how is it even connected to anything I discussed above or the video.
Religious or not,whatever is the belief,it is important to respect others believes and culture.Thats all.
Did you even see the video???
Or all you care about is being a troll.
Danny, just have to say that I am enjoying your new short clips a lot. Even though I don't always agree with or even like some of your views, I so appreciate that you are willing to be open and discuss seemingly any topic. As someone else already pointed out, your videos are thought-provoking and quite well-made. I encourage you to continue. I would love to see your work given more international exposure. Taaa!
At least for me, cultural appreciation is when Loona specifically said they were inspired by Bollywood music for Paint the Town and appropriation would be y'all using Tunak Tunak in almost every effin medium and the whole Chakra thing.
That's not appropriation that's appreciation or inspiration
@@tiffanykim2773 True
@@tiffanykim2773 being an indian i think it is an Appropriation... because India's music and culture is more vast than "Tunak Tunak"... it actually cringes me...
110% in agreement
Tunak tunak is only 10 percent of Indian music
from the jump it's already bad. Imagine getting cancelled for pulling your teeth and not mocking a culture. What a time to be alive
As a Indian kpop fan It is really disappointing. We indians support kpop and kdrama but they give us back by desrespecting our culture and holy mantras in songs .... Gayatri mantra in Lee hyo ri's song is literally disrespect to Indian culture and shanti shanti in narazo song is also desrespecting bcoz we indians also use word shanti shanti in our holy mantras.
I'm from the UK with Indian heritage.
I don't actually follow any Kpop groups ONLY BTS, so never seen all these other groups.
Wow, to say I'm shocked at the actual level of ignorance in the cultural appropriation is me being polite.
To put such an important mantra, the Gayatri Mantra in a pop song is such bad taste.
The group Chakra looked more as though they were trying to imitate cleopatra with some of those awful costumes. SMH
Shaanti means peace. That is why we say Om Shaanti. 🕉
Thanks for the video. A real eye opener!
Son videos de hace más de 10 años, por eso el nivel de ignorancia tan alto.
@@nadiasilva4449 Gracias
nozaro curry song was way worse
If awards can be given for being racist in Grammy , Kpop groups can easily win 🏆 🤣..hurray
being African American and Native American, it gives me a headache seeing BS like this all the time T.T
More than being offended that they included 'Gayatri Mantra', I was more cringed because the way they pronounced. Even most of the Indians can't pronounce it because It's not in Hindi rather Sanskrit even thought both the languages are written in same script. Sanskrit is the mother language of almost all North-Indian languages
Not almost north Indian but mother of all languages.
The woman literally put up Gayatri mantra in that song with those steps. Talk of respecting others, it's just mocking someone to gain views and popularity. Koreans need some good education and discipline on how to respect other cultures and traditions. Btw, just came here after the 2 Korean girls doing vulgar dance on Indian Street, utterly disgusted by the comments made there.
"We thought that nobody would listen to kpop outside Korea" 😂😂
But in a way it was designed to promote Korean culture abroad
I was okay till 7:21....I was literally shoked....using a holy mantra /Chant in such inappropriate way just shows how ignorant a director/musician/dancer can be.... When you perform on such big platform you've to be thorough with the concepts, lyrics and most importantly meaning of the lyrics
I also want to add that Writers, editors and cast from Korean variety shows and k-dramas should also learn about different culture before mocking them...
Like ... please dont use "Tunak Tunak" n Curry in everything related to India... India is the country of diversity and our culture and music is vast ... try to explore better...
"Shanti" means *peace* , mantra used as bridge was "Gaytri Mantra". Ah , I wish every country could atleast read , understand about other culture a bit more n then give a creative shape . This thing is not limited to Korea only it's a global phenomenon.
Shanti means peace. So Shanti shanti means peace peace. Also oh my girl’s bridge is middle eastern style not Indian just to clarify. I do agree that a lot of CA is done due to ignorance. And although I am honestly more horrified than offended at how Korean media has depicted other cultures, I think that there’s really nothing we can do about it other than educate and give a chance to them to learn and grow.
Despite that, I’m honestly tired of hearing “sorry” from idols and celebs. I’d rather hear an acknowledgement that “this is what I did wrong” and “I’ll fix it and do better next time” and they actually not repeat their problematic behaviors (wow!). I know my faves have made mistakes, but I’ve also seen them better themselves so I support them. Groups like oh my girl tho, have repeated CA even after a company apology, so I know they don’t care. In the end, I just want to see character development and respect for other cultures. I don’t think I’m asking much since we have the internet at our fingertips. What happened in the past was wrong and if they’re still relevant, they should apologize. But we should focus on making sure it doesn’t happen again. Mistakes are bound to happen, but this time there should be justified consequences.
I had no idea that was a thing. I did see this K-drama “Strong Girl Bong-soon” and there was this weird guy who supposed to be an Indian Guru, but was making a mockery of it. I thought that was a one time thing. I’m not into K-pop, really. I just love BTS. So I had no idea other groups were doing stuff like this. I think using their religious beliefs and turning it into a sensual dance is probably the most disrespectful. I like these clips, Danny. Good job!
Yes same
Yes, correct. I was watching "What's wrong with Secretary Kim" the other day and everything was going great until a person says to his office colleague that, "if you don't do this work, you'll be transferred to India" and then he said no no, got scared and ran away. It was so so so so disrespectful and I immediately shut it down, coz I just didn't felt it right to watch more. WHY TO SAY OR PORTRAY SOMETHING BAD ABOUT SOMEONE'S RELIGION OR COUNTRY??
Also that monk name that they have given doesn't make sense
@@arushisingh3691 yes and just after he said that there were litreally cow mowing sounds in the bg
honestly the one with Ckakra wasn't bad cause they were just wearing Indian clothes they didn't do anything offensive in it nor was oh my girl uses the indian tune in one of their songs, but stuff like the Curry song and the oh my girl doing the cover of it so wild and disrespectual to my culture especially Korean fans calling oh my girl curry idols like I'm sorry WHAT THE FUCK
The Chakra performance with the headdress is actually Thai or more Southeast Asian culture cuz I remember Lisa wearing something similar to that in her debut song. And this is coming from a South Asian person.
Most Thai culture is derived from India, there are places in India with headdresses like that
it is called a "mukat" mostly seen in bengali/east indian tradition
as thai culture was heavilty influenced by india hence it is seen there too
im thai and indonesian
do some research about ur own culture
@@zefersanity6537 Mukat is different. You do some research.The headdress that chakra is wearing is a complete thai culture. The Thai people has no problem with it. I don't know why The Indians get easily offended. Relax💆💆💆.
@@hritwretihritwreeotpbirbmf820 im literally thai u weirdo
@@zefersanity6537 Well, I am Bengali and Indian, and our mukuts are different. The chakra group was definitely a cringe fest; but the thing they wore in this particular performance is not Indian.
I'm African American and Native American but I just laugh at the ignorance of others and don't let it bother me personally. Side note: Danny is so my type 😏
You laughing it off is what helps contribute to it continuing… but ya know… as you were I guess😒
I am Native American. I don’t laugh but I cringe a lot. That’s just me though. I grew up in Canada and on the rez, while being next to a town that’s mostly white. So, I’ve dealt with a lot of racism and ignorance
@@MinJi_Scarlett Omg… The residential schools too 😭
The mantra used in Lee Hyori's song is considered to be the most important & powerful mantra known as the "Gayatri mantra". I pity those who take elements from other cultures on the surface level and don't try to understand the context or the deep meaning behind them. Gayatri Mantra is not a copyright of India, anyone is free to recite it but to use it for a melody in a sensual way will not help you and will make people who understand its meaning feel cringe and uncomfortable. It's not even insulting it's just a case of utter ignorance.
Am I shocked?… no they’ll never change unless they want to!
The best example of taking inspiration from Indian culture for kpop song is ORANGE CARAMEL by Catallena 💜
Shanti means "Peace"✌
Chakra means "wheels"
If any Korean is reading this comment please keep this in your mind if we like Korean culture that doesn't mean we don't care disrespecting our culture and you can use our culture as a puppet
Listen carefully I love my country and you know what Indian can do when you take this matter out of control
Imagine what will happen if we report about the Korean racism you will not be known as a famous people you will be known as the most racist people in this world
Don't think you are so period then everyone just learn to respect others if you think you are a developed country in such a manner
Digging up some not so beautiful image of Kpop from the past. It was a great idea for discussion and to educate people more regarding cultural appropriation. Now is the time for this, Kpop going global in the midst of internet era. People should be more sensitive and be respectful of what's before is just like blind ignorance.
Thanks, Danny.. 👍
"Shanti" is Sanskrit word meaning peace. It is used to conclude mantras with line "om shanti shanti shanti "
Recently I looked up "cultural appropriation" and found an important distinction. If the cultural feature used is something that the original culture would experience bias/negative treatment for, but the culture using it doesn't experience such penalties, such as K-pop idols wearing dreadlocks while African-Americans could get beaten up, arrested, or even killed for doing so ("driving while Black"), then it's cultural appropriation. Appreciation is being influenced by another culture artistically, such as using Southwest Asian (Indian or Middle Eastern) musical scales or rhythms without any other references in costumes, lyrics, etc. Another issue, though, around cultural appropriation, is who gets the money. There's a long history in the US of Black musicians starting a trend or writing a song, which then became popular in a white artist's version, so the white artist gets rich (as in rock n roll). The songs you played were perfect examples of cultural appropriation, but K-pop and K-hiphop are so heavily influenced by African-American music, that it's sometimes hard to draw the appropriation/appreciation line.
If it's disrespectful then yes cultural appropriation but it's hard for me where I'm from because we're a nation of many cultures and races lol 6 namely 6 let me not be dramatic but we practice cultural appreciation as we're encouraged to participate in each other's cultures and festivals and such plus first and foremost if it's not a national holiday for a particular race then we usually just identify as citizens of our country.
You’re missing the point about black folks being offended by braids and dreads. In the US, The Crown Act is being passed in several states. What is the Crown Act? It’s to make illegal to fire or discriminate against black people, particularly black women when they wear natural hairstyles, i.e., afros, braids, dreads, etc. It’s 2022 and black people have to fight for the right to wear the hairstyle of their choosing without repercussions in the workplace. Black people have always been discriminated based upon their hair. So, watching a k-pop idol wear a hairstyle that’s important and meaningful to black people…all over the world…it’s extremely disrespectful. They’re wearing the hairstyles without knowing the context, history and experiencing none of the negativity and discrimination. Same goes for music created by black folks. Black artists create music but rarely get credit or the monetary reward, especially in the 18th and 19th century. Also, look up the real story behind Jack Daniels.
There’s nothing wrong with using musical styles. But when you don’t do proper research for it, it’s still appropriation. Oh my girl’s bridge is influenced by middle eastern styles, not Indian or South Asian. Not only was there improper research, but then the song was associated with curry.
Similar to hip hop- taking influence is great, but when you don’t know or understand the history of it (esp bc of its outreach) it can be problematic depending on how you go with it. As musicians, it’s the least they can do by having their facts straight. Tiger JK has used classical Indian influences it’s probably the best example of appreciating desi culture in Korea. Now any clothing or jewelry they wore in the mv has a reason to be worn bc the aesthetics are used in the correct context.
As an African American, I appreciate how well you explained this.
@@sweetsgourmet Thanks for your examples. I totally agree with you.
I’m Native American & all my life I’ve witnessed lots of culture appropriation in America & still do. Our people aren’t savages IF we were European settlers would have been annihilated when their ships was spotted. European settlers were the savages that murdered indigenous children, women, grandparents & men for occupied land. Knowledge is power & thank you for spending the message about Cultural Appropriation. Our culture deserves as much respect as other cultures & customs. ☮️
this is the sad reality barbarian oppressor upon victory call themselves as civilising force... native Americans were nearly wiped out by coloniser and were mocked for centuries ... international image of native Americans african indians are thru western lens(caucasian) .Others just relay these stereotypes.
Cultural apporpriation=a hit in S.Korea.
The oh my girl bridge was not indian but Arabic themed
And till even I called it indian
It's like calling koreans as Chinese
Bro really are Koreans that oblivious Aladin is not indian themed story wtf 😂
K-pop is hella racist until this day..🤦
It's 2022 get some knowledge about different cultures and if you are not interested then just don't do or say anything stupid about it because it's very disrespectful,no matter how big of a idol you are..
5:36 That crown is traditional crown that found in the culture in many countries in Southeast Asia. (Such as Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, Laos, Indonesia, Myanmars etc.) They’re mostly use in a classical court dance.
I don’t know about in other countries, but in Thailand.. many people still worship this crown. For example.. before they use the crown, they have a ritual ceremony (?? I’m sorry My English is bad 😭) They never use it for fun because they think every crown have some spiritual living with them. So in Thailand, we will have a lot of ghosts story about Thai traditional dancer with the crown.
But…. I think Thai people now a days don’t serious about this anymore 😄 As you can see that Lisa (Blackpink) wear it in one of her song and no one angry about that anymore.
Except for the fact that Lisa is actually Thai. She's not appropriating the Thai culture, it's HER OWN culture.
@@chantallaflamme6454 I know. I’m Thai too and I love Lisa.
@@chantallaflamme6454 that’s why I say that Thai people nowadays don’t care about it that much anymore and that’s why when Lisa did it. No one angry at her and everyone love her for promoting our culture.
@@chantallaflamme6454 she isn't buddhist or hindu so its appropriation
@@chantallaflamme6454 but back when they still have a lot conservative people. Even though You are Thai, you can not use it like this. You have to use it only in Thai Classic dance performance only.
I’d say that they’re appropriating stereotypes more than cultures.
We have to distinguish cultural appropriation from stereotypes.
Cultural appropriation IS stereotyping. You're taking a culture and using it as an aesthetic without doing any research about it's values and meanings, and by doing that, you're insinuating stereotypes.
For US military spouses that come to Korea with their soldiers, they often attend formal events and are given the opportunity to wear hanbok. I have a hard time with it because I’m American, not Korean. It feels like cultural appropriation, but then all of those spouses will tell you that the Korean women making the hanbok are very excited about it and encourage the spouses to wear them. It’s such a fine line between appreciation and appropriation.
Sometimes it's not a thin line. It's outright racism and disrespect
I see it more as the difference of use for respect for something not originally controversial (like religious garments) and using it for occasions that makes sense vs using it for money/ fun/ make fun of and/or closing out the original people who created it. I don't know US and Korea's relations but I'm making an example if the US oppresed korea and than wore hanbok (forcing the koreans to make it) just cause its 'pretty' but looked down on the koreans.
Believe me, outside america like 99% of cultures LOVE it when foreigners take part in their culture, as long as they do it respectfully. They see it as a big compliment, and it makes them feel proud
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It is not appropriation if multitudes of people from that culture encourage you to wear their traditional clothing as fine attire at a formal event or even for a quick pic somewhere.
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From my perspective as a Native "american", for us it is appropriation, because it was outlawed until the late 1970s for our Nations to practice our own cultures openly. All was done in secret for the vast majority of our Nations. This law and its repercussions is why we don't encourage others to wear traditional clothes from our Nations or much else. We feel we deserve to try to regain and maintain what is ours without further interference.
Whilst non-Native kids and adults were doing their tomahawk chops and mock war-cries wearing fake Native clothes and performing fake Native everything it was illegal and forbidden for Native Nations to participate in their own cultures, ceremonies, languages and spiritual ways.
Children stripped of their traditional clothes, languages, beliefs, traditions and rites of passage, denied parental contact and family and forced into assimilation re-education camps, called boarding schools until childhood was over and let out at the cusp of adulthood with no ties to culture or family having lived through oftentimes physical, mental and s3xu@l abuse at the hands of those non-Natives in charge of their re-education.
This assimilation was being forced on Native kids who watched from the sidelines as non-indigenous settlers wore fake indigenous clothings and performed fake Native rituals while being forbidden and punished for trying to take part in their very real cultures.
It is illegal for you to practice your culture but the settlers can play at it and mock your ways while you are forbidden to practice the real thing openly.
It was only the late 1990s when Natives gained the right to teach their languages formally to their children in school settings.
So this is why most of us are fairly quick to ask a non-Native to please stop. Not that many listen though lol we get told all the time we are being "honoured".
In this case, no it wasn't. If you were invited to wear hanbok by the women who made them for the event, that was an invitation to fellowship and draw positves from that experience. So long as the US army didn't profit, disrespect them, or any other negative, take the opportunities to learn. It's not really a thin line sometimes, it is what it is. In this case, it was a positive. I understood your hesitation and you did what was right for you.
Okay after watching this video let me express my opinion on this, the first thing is that you must already know the meaning of "shanti" now as many people have already mentioned in their comment. About the mantra, it's called "gayatri mantra", it's holy mantra which means "Om, the Lord, is earth, the space in between and the heavens. That Lord is the one who is the most worshipful. We meditate on that effulgent, all-knowledge Lord. May he set our intellects in the right direction." So basically this mantra mean to keep our mind and soul at right direction. Let me tell you it's considered that mantras are very powerful we can't use them carelessly. One need to understand and know the meaning behind it and why is it used in the first place before using it for entertainment purposes. They are like holy scriptures and can't be used just anywhere. About indina culture, it's very vast if you get inside it, you will feel like time is passing by but still there are many things you are yet to know. It's not just about tribe and all Korean culture is praised but it's just one out there, Indian culture is made fun of because it has many and people are not interested in knowing about them so they just make their own fantasy and showcase them in their weird dance moves, acting and singing. India is much more than what foreigners think it is. It has various rich culture and ancient history you cannot deny to look before you take inspiration from it. Indians love their culture and their country a lot. So it's better to be mindful of how you are showing it because it can create a really sensitive issue and difference between two countries.
Shanti means peace … never heard shanti and curry together . Also we have no food called curry .
The appropriation is little too on the nose , however few big music directors have copy pasted so many melodies off Kpop songs & have gotten away with it. Even the biggest musical hit of this year is a direct rip off of a 90’s K-pop song
Which song are you referring to?
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Bhool bhulaiya title track
Ohhh yeah....the original version of the song was a rip off of an old Korean song...
Pritam is one of the musician.. who has ripped off more Korean old songs
Curry is actually "kadi" it's pronounced by foreigners as "curry"
For ex- Kadi chaawal
I literally gasped when I heard the Gayatri mantra! Was totally not expecting that...
The "sorry India" in the title already makes me laugh 😂.
In every kpop group they is cultural appropriation.and thats the truth and thats so annoying
I think what baffles me most about kpop companies constantly appropriating other cultures & getting negative backlash every time is that it seems like they never learn. Its one thing to be ignorant, but larger companies surly have large marketing teams monitoring the fan reactions to comebacks... there really isn't an excuse for these larger companies to be constant repeat offenders *cough* SM & YG *cough*
These MV's seem old so whoever (the director, the artist/s....???) actually came up with this concept and storyboard was clueless, but as you mentioned its now 2022 and if anything like this, from any singer or band around the world, releases these kind of MVs it wont be tolerated and the backlash would be (and should be) career changing and out there on the inter web forever and a day.
i remember so many idol groups covering that curry song and it always led in an uproar till one svt member did it and the backlash got so big that even norazo themselves distanced and apologized for the song
Danny's stunned face thru all clips, so entertaining 🤣
In T-ara's Yayaya, you have some born sexy yesterday trope sprinkled on top of cultural appropriation. I think when K-pop producers started heavily come with songs with gibberish titles, Native American nonsense was bound to happen.
Guys all the "foreigners react" channels on India preaching Indian traditions and saying I love India, watching Bollywood etc are all bs. They're there for views but secretly they hatin. Stop following channels like these. Look at the vulgar dances of these Korean people they doin in front of the crowd.
Like literally doing a sexual dance on gayatri mantra (it's a Hindu prayer) so disrespectful.
Shanti means "peace" in many Indian languages. I think "cultural appropriation" is a very Western/American concept and while I understand that there is a reason why it has become a matter of concern for many, especially because of the way the native American and African-American cultures were exploited by appropriating their culture/art and not giving them the due credit, I, being an Indian, in the present context, personally don't seem to mind the practice so far as they are not deliberately insulting to any culture! Without taking inspiration from one another, cultures will end up getting extinct just like the Latin language. Cultures are by nature fluid and need to exchange ideas in order to thrive! Instead of getting offended at the drop of the hat, all we need to do is learn to be open-minded, respect the differences between cultures, and thereby enrich ourselves and the cultures we represnt!
What you described is cultural assimilation and appreciation.
As a mexican, I also appreciate when people put in effort to learn my culture, but I also hate when they just steal bits of it with no credit and present it in a very racist, stereotypical manner.
as native american k-pop fan…..
i never saw this and i’m in shock!😂
omggg😂😂😂
Carrying them on a stick 🤣🤣💀💀💀
@@jlizard8500 right? wtf was that?😭😭😭
4:10 this is what i already figured out when i first got into kpop and saw videos of blackface/n word/racist jokes; older idols didn’t care bc they knew kpop wasn’t big all over so they could get away with it. there do still be a few instances but i feel if it didn’t become so known here in the US it would be more offensive moments
bullying, n wording, being racist is not scandal in k-pop but being like normal human being & dating &marrying in scandal
As an Indian, i like to give my thoughts on it. Firstly the thing that the girl group wore on head is called "Mukut" basically translated as Crown which the Kings and Queens used to wear. Like the Royals in England, the Queen's Crown for instance (which anyways is made from stolen wealth from India 😑☹️) .
But the ones that they wore was like of Thai style not Indian. The Indian ones are not pointed so there I guess the mixed it with Thai culture.
Also the dance they were doing is not Indian but Bollywood-ish. As such dance routines are performed there. In Native Indian culture there are various artforms specifically to express Dance such as Bharatnatyam etc.
So seeing that made me laugh a bit and that was good...
Chakra are energy centres in our body if one do Yoga and not the Yoga of exercise but the Yoga as asanas and spiritual side to it, so one would know this concept.
Also one offensive thi g in the entire "Appropriation" was using of Sacred Vedic mantras used in Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism etc out of context just for sensual entertainment.
As in a serious way these mantras are very sacred and used in Sacred Worships of Deities and Ceremonies etc and nowhere else.
So one should be careful about that. As a foreign culture like Korea wouldn't know it or ignorant about it so we may forgive it but still it if would've happened in India, like eg Bollywood did this we may not spare them. Besides Bollywood has good history of doing it and abusing our Spiritual culture and symbols so i guess as people being inspired by Bollywood and thinking it represents Indian culture have picked it so it's not their fault as Bollywood doesn't follow Indian culture and "Appropriates" from everywhere else...
Besides Bollywood is filled with Woke people. So i request if you want to know about Indian culture and history please learn it from variety of sources, South Indian films etc and also I would say learn the scriptural knowledge of Hinduism etc as it is too very interesting and exciting....
One thing I want to say is that this "Cultural Appropriation" thing is of recent times more kinda like the Western Abrahamic ways of looking at things. As in Ancient times all cultures throughout the world, such reciprocation and transfer of Cultures and Knowledge was common. That way every culture would gain something from other. Like the South East Asian culture have many Indian influences as well....
I learn a lot from your words. I think koreans should learn a lot about the culture of other countries and try to have a respectful attitude. However, there are very few videos that introduce and discuss this on youtube in korea. I hope koreans pay a lot of attention to these kinds of videos and comments in english. I'm sorry to offend the Indians with these issues. I hope that from now on, people related to the korean entertainment industry will educate themselves and be careful.
First thing what you said mukuat is different that headpiece style is more of southern indian not thai for your kind imformation correct your facts because it is definitely indian you can see the sculpture from some southern temple wearing the same headpiece and these are worn by our gods not kings and queens
@@frickoff123 agree.. and Thai culture is somewhat has an influence of Indian culture...
Stolen by Indian wealth heck yeah
Wow i didn't know k-pop was sooo ingrained in appropriating Indian culture wth ! LITERALLY MY HATE GOR KPOP HAS GROWN ALOT MORE THAN I THOUGHT I COULD HAVE LIKE MAN !! AND WE START DOING THE SAME Y'ALL WILL START CRYING
There's a reason I won't visit S.Korea and it's racism. I love BTS and some K-Drama but your dramas and k-pop has been outright racist and not just cultural appropriation. Using our God, sacred chants for sexually graphic movies is beyond disgusting!
Who will talk about racism in kdramas? You will find so many.
What about the dance in BlackPink's Boombayah? ☺
Thank you for this video. Things are much better now with global fans taking them to task immediately. Just minor correction,
The group/Chakra was using Thai dance movements and costumes.
agree.. but they were formed to potray Indian Concept...
PLEASE CONTINUE THIS SERIES I BEG YOU
As an Indian I am not offended by this as this is done to India by international countries most of the time
japan's curry police
korea's numerous shitty videos
etc are one of the examples....I mean we never mis-represented any country in a offensive way.!
and big slap to Indians blindly following anything that has the words related to India!!!!
Indians will never learn... India is the land with most rich and diverse culture on earth, but Indians always try to suck up to other cultures... I mean korean culture is 70 percentage chinese in nature which is certainly not authentic at all but still people are so obsessed with it nowadays... We should learn from chinese how to respect ourselves in this matter, they are the most proud people I have ever seen and they know how to respect their own culture like none other.
The internet has existed for like 3 decades now. Even back in the 2010s these Kpop producers could have done some more research about other cultures. But I can only think that we are all, for the most part, unintentionally racist due to ignorance.🤷♂
The odd thing is (and I’m from Native American descent), is that from what I’ve read online from historians and such about Native Americans, going with them migrating from Russian to Canada/Alaska, many think most Native Americans come from Asian ancestry. I mean some Native Americans from say Canada/Alaska even have monolids. I do think these examples are really bad, but I do somewhat like T-ara’s MV, because if your going to cultural appropriate (and in 2011, which K-Pop was building up in the west at that time, so it definitely was out of touch then), at least put the effort in. I like the teepees in the MV and I do find the set well done, even if a bit racist.
One MV I bet many wouldn’t think of is Bang Bang Bang by BIGBANG, where Seungri (which makes it easier to dislike what he’s wearing) wears a Native American headdress. Now I’m not in the Native American culture (my grandfather is mixed race so it’s a little different), but I know that headdress are like very important and aren’t just a decoration, so seeing Seungri riding around on a vehicle with a headdress on rubs me the wrong way and that was 2015. I definitely think cultural appropriation is still a issue, even in the USA.
Shanti is a Sanskrit word which means peace. I also have mixed opinions about cultural appropriation. But I do love it when it is done correctly. For example Looona's Paint the Town. I absolutely love that song. Most typical stereotypes that these people have about India is our most popular song is Tunak Tunak Tun and most of our music is like this. Literally I have never seen any Indian in my life who listens to that song. Its just a meme.
I think the Come a Come song performance seemed more geared toward South East Asians like Thai traditional dresses rather than Indian costumes. All in all, these performances are so cringey and embarrassing.
I feel a lot of times, they put on these costumes to entertain and make fun of us. There is also an interesting component to cultural appropriation in various fields such as fashion, food etc but one of the primary things is profit. At the end of the day, whose is profiting from the sale of a garment that has been culturally appropriated and relabeled; Is your restaurant marketing a cuisine and removing of language markers of that culture and selling it? These artists (and the companies behind them) decided that this was how they were going to market themselves out to the public and could think of no good concept than putting on a costume to exotify themselves.
Thai culture is influenced from india most of southeast culture has Indian influence
India culture, Chinese culture,black culture ..
Appropriation .!!!! All start form stereotypes..
Shocking for me like big company like YG doing the same in black pink MV's with India culture!!
I think it’s very important to note that for many many years the Korean people were fighting just to exist, And maintain their own identity.
After occupation I am sure that the country was literally in shock and trying very hard to regain its own personal sense of identity.
Trust and disrespect from people that are literally treated like prisoners in their own country must have a great sense of distrust for any foreigner of any kind.
Things are changing slowly, but I think we Westerners must take into consideration that the (now) seniors of Korea lived through a demeaning and very cruel occupation and have their own personal biases against foreign peoples for very good reason.
The younger generation is changing this but we must remember that they were taught in a very traditional way by traditional people with these thoughts in mind.
And of course we have to realize that those that lived during the occupation were schooled by a country that is very very racist, and still is.
I think for the most part Koreans should be very proud of their progress in just two generations.
I hope this is making sense to everybody.
@@MinJi_Scarlett Yeah, I understand especially as I learn more and more about japan's history and current culture. But, I don't understand Korea's lack of empathy and understanding that they wouldn't want what to do to others to happen to them....
At the same time, this is a thing that many many people around the world refuse to do.
@@MinJi_Scarlett Well personally I disagree with your point of you I do agree that you have a right to your opinion.
If you watch “Korea now,” Daily news, although very small clips, you get a realistic look at both the present and past that many Koreans now have to deal with.
In trying to regain their own identity, After years of occupation they tended to go to the extreme right.
It is changing but it will take time.
Wouldn't it be natural to assume that people who have a history of an occupier blatantly trying to erase their culture and language to be more sensitive to the pain of other people who have a history of being victims of genocide and experienced blatant attempts to erase their culture and language? It is puzzling to me that the journey from external and internal oppression to real democracy could be seen as an excuse in itself for mocking those that have suffered the same way.
@@lenaznap you are right, but the problem is not that simple. very few people from my grandparent's generation had more than elementary schooling. The very few that did are extremely privileged, and the privileged class got their education by going to japan. My grandmother was never allowed to leave the house and had no education. Many of them will never understand the concept of cultural appropriation beyond having our land and language taken by physical force. Remember, we are seeing things from a perspective where most of us have seen different cultures and have at least some education. And the issues and effects of that time are not simple. My grandmother still uses japanese words. And 5 years after the japanese rule, the korean war broke out, and Korea did not have a chance to recover culturally before being razed to the ground again. By that point, japan was not the issue anymore. So Korea did not have the chance to rediscover our culture until much later. Maybe it is due to this that our parent's generation tend to be more nationalistic and protective of our culture than our grandparent's generation, but their experience is less focused on getting our culture taken away by japan and more of the threat within korea (the ongoing problem with north korea, and fight for democracy). So I find that they tend to be nationalistic but not in a culturally sensitive way. Unfortunately, it takes time for change. But it's completely fair to criticize the younger generation and up to our parent's generation. It's a problem we are aware of, and trying hard to fix. But I don't think our history helps much in that respect. the only people we are actually trying to "excuse" are those who are older, as it hasn't been long since we actually started thinking about our culture again and became proud of it.
@@mhysalee9222 Thank you for this perspective. Unfortunately this problem is not isolated to Korea, though it may get a spotlight just because of the explosive success of K-Pop and other entertainment globally. I've seen it among many groups who have a history of being oppressed and erased (even among my own relatives). On the one hand it is understandable that our grandparents' generation could develop a heightened "us vs them" mentality from their struggle to simply survive and maintain their culture, but on the other hand it has always bothered me that this doesn't easily translate to recognizing the similarity of their experiences in other cultures' history as well.
Omg I am Indian & I can't even Man....The ignorance not only culturally but it also downgrades Hindu Religion as well. This is a sensitive issue. Wish K pop just doesn't consider other cultures & religions just as a 'concept' or 'hip' but could atleast be a little respectful . FYI 'Shanthi' Literally translates into 'peace' which is used in prayers & meditation & comes in Indian hymns/mantras/slokas & again has a religious connection.Also the outfits were probably the worst part of it all lol. Thank you DKDKTV as always for bringing light to these issues :)
I'm very offended about the Lee Hyori part. I'm a Hindu by birth although not so religious personally i still do believe you should never disrespect another religion and their faith and beliefs, and that line was the Gayatri Mantra which is probably the most commonly said prayer by Hindus all throughout the country....imagine doing a sexy dance while the lyrics says " in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit, amen" ?!?!? Exactly, hella disrespectful
So that first song by Chakra that you showed... those headdresses are Indonesian/Thai, I'm not sure which. And some of the dance moves are what people stereotypically associate with Egyptians due to the directional drawing style of Ancient Egyptian art and hieroglyphics.
I think people are giving too much free pass to kpop in terms of calling them out for their ignorance and stupidity because k-pop industry appears all cutesy on the outside.....
I think this should stop .....
We all should criticize and call out k-pop for what 's wrong ,even if we need to be ruthless with our criticism.......let the k-pop fandom cry foul and come in defence of these offenders......we will teach them a lesson too.... because it is high time .....
noo i gasped so hard at the end omg
Shanthi means peace, inner peace or calmness..
The fact is their food is filled with use of red chilli powder abd gochujang, so spicy, and if i ever try to smell their food my olfactory nerve will get necrosed by the spiceness yucck, its not even palatable.
And they call our food yellow spicy smell not nice
While indian food uses varieties of spices, not just chilli, and various herbs which gives aroma to the food.
shanti means peace
Or silence
Not an Indian, but I’m a Nepalese Hindu. Shanti means peace, so Shanti Curry makes no freaking sense. And the mantra in Lee Hyori’s song is called Gayatri Mantra, which is a pretty important mantra in Hinduism. In Nepal, it is usually recited to show respect to teachers. I just don’t understand the point of it in the song, like what were you trying to do? I don’t get it. Since when did a religious passage recited to convey respect to teachers become something you sexy dance to?
I remember listening to these songs as a teenager and enjoying them 😂 PS: in my country there are also lots of songs from the 90s that were really offensive to other cultures
Being an Indian Indian I have seen many things like this in old Bollywood, I'm especially sorry towards Africans but sorry wtf is this...🤣🤣🤣 It's so funny, especially that whole mantra part. It's not that I haven't seen mantras in songs but it should also make sense with the song, why Gayetri Mantra, it's a worship mantra for goddess Gayetri. I'm going to sound dark but I don't understand if I should laugh or be sad with this stupidity of the people that they don't understand the chanting of these mantras in wrong way can do some harm in their life, because these are used to activate chakras ( not girl band chakra 😝)
I'm thinking of showing this to my mother, no even better my grandmother...🤣
By the way Shanti means Peace.
One more thing in India no one uses the word 'curry' for the vegetables stew with spices, we call it 'Sabji' which literally means vegetables and kadhi (sound similar to curry) is a totally different dish which is made with curd and besan (gram flour).
the fact that Happyface Ent named their group Dreamcatcher and appropriated the symbol of Ojibwe culture still makes me cringe to this day
Chakra costume was more like Thailand, that crown was totally Thailand not Indian
Shanti = peace, and it's a common way to start / end prayers. Wow some of these examples were absolutely CRAZY - thanks for watching them so I didn't have to??
Also fyi, Babymetal (as in, the Japanese band doing the kawaii idol / metal fusion concept) did a song called Shanti Shanti Shanti. A lot of people love it - Indians included - because the lyrics are apparently great. But as an Indian who grew up overseas... it just seems straight up cringy and weird (to me personally!). But then again, Babymetal also had a giant statue of Virgin Mary on stage that time, and then they crucified their lead singer in front of it. And they pretty much did it just for the aesthetic, so.... Idk what to think! At least their songs are great?
As Indian I am really offended by the discription of curry , cuz bruh it taste and smell amazing 💔🥲
@@MinJi_Scarlett lmao yes , it is spicy and hot but delicious. I get it is not everyone’s cup of tea. But calling it “stinky” is mean AF !
I think to the Western palate even liking the taste of curry doesn't necessarily mean you like the smell
THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!! for bringing this topic as I felt quite uncomfortable watching all these videos making a joke out of my culture especially hyori!! I didn't know she would use such a sacred hymn of ours in that way.... God I was so damn angry and upset,(still am now).
If you want to use other people and culture please respect them and be informed otherwise it may lead to unnecessary misunderstandings between the 2 countries.
Sometimes I get very frustrated with some Indian American fans of kpop as a Indian American fan. Kpop constantly uses religious idols or samples of songs (but rarely give credit to the original artist. But constantly call Indians dirty or use visiting the country as shallow content. Fans will just dismiss it, and hate on those who point out what is wrong with what they are doing. If they can’t respect the culture then why do they get to use it for profit?? It’s so frustrating to see. God and stop using the dance moves and phrases willy nilly without being respectful. Is that so hard to do??? It’s the fault of the company and the artist for not doing research. The internet exists, ignorance is not an excuse.
maybe don't be a groupie
It’s not Indian American fans, it’s Indian fans straight from India. They still have this mindset that anyone foreign using our culture is good, it’s not bad LOL. Even if they’re making fun of us, Indian people straight from India love it. They don’t realize how open the world has become and we don’t need people making of our culture anymore for exposure. Koreans and other countries are developed enough to know of these things. You’re telling me India the dirty developing nation they call us, knows more about other cultures than them? Seems like it because SK is supposedly the most developed Asian country but their peoples minds are completely backwards compared to all the other poor developing Asian countries. Just shows you money isn’t everything. Indian American fans are a minority like me and we try to voice opinions but so many people will side with actual people from India so their biases don’t get cancelled. You don’t know how many times people have talked over me for pointing out racist things done to Indians where other Kpop fans will be like “another girl who was Indian said it’s not offensive so we will believe them instead of you”.
@@Lisa-qm5bcThese are very tiny minority of teenage girls who idealize foreign culture
most indians straight up call out these cultural appropriating clowns.
India is a diverse countries not mono ethnicity like korea and japan,
Korea is a american colony so they spout the same racist rhetoric as the western media
I would not consider the song 'Windy Day' to be cultural appropriation, it just has an Asian/Middle Eastern riff in the chorus and there's nothing wrong with that; however, what Oh My Girl did after that, yikes! 😬😂
n now they cringe me... poor girls.. not their fault thought
Yeah that's a common music scale used in various genres but what they did after is kinda yikes lol