Cell saga is better than saiayn saga. But DB hipsters aren’t ready for this conversation. Because according to them the show should have ended right after Goku meets bulma.
@@jjbjjb273Frieza saga is awesome but it was a bit stale. The pacing is awful if we are talking about the anime. Cell arc has better pacing, and actually has a plot. There was mystery and plot twists left and right. From a mysterious Youth who came from the future and has the same form that Goku achieved in the previous arc, to Dr gero turning himself into an android, and realizing those two androids weren’t the ones that trunks warned us about. Then we find out there is another android 16, and the biggest twist is there was a second Time Machine used prior to trunks himself, and that was what changed the events so drastically. Honestly, cell arc is peak. People are just frustrated with it because the characters made stupid decisions constantly.
"This was animated in the 80s, when resources and technology were limited. But you know whats not limited? The ass beating Goku inflicted on Piccolo." This was enough to make me like and subscribe. Keep up the great work!
Man, you were probably the most underrated dragon Ball UA-camr period. I love your content and I hope to see a lot more of these type of videos. A suggestion on one that I haven’t seen anyone else talk about that would be really cool is to go over a list or rank all of the finalist and semi finalist from every tournament in the series that we know of. And I mean the tournaments from before Dragon Ball and the 24th, 28th, and the 30th. I think that was the one in GT if I’m not mistaken, but that would be awesome.
Thanks man I really appreciate it. As for your suggestion, I already made a video on who every world tournament winner was. I even counted special tournaments too. Though it was a bit of an old video so the quality and story telling isn’t as good as the newer ones.
King Piccolo was by far the greatest villain and every other major villain was modelled after him. Freeza is just King Piccolo from space. Cell is just King Piccolo made in a lab. Buu is just an utterly braindead King Piccolo.
Unpopular opinion but Zamasu arc is my favourite arc. It’s not always about the heros being victorious and having a great ending, that doesn’t always happen in real life and it doesn’t have to always happen in anime. Like you said, Zamasu is the biggest threat in the series, and I really admired that about him just how much he hated mortals he became the damn universe 😭 actually absolute cinema
I never thought about this aspect of the GT Ending "Goku Achieves Nirvana" thing, but your joke has me thinking... Goku had been fighting his entire life, and trying to pass the torch since the Cell Saga. He personally trained two successors. While he loved fighting, he loved it for it's own sake. He hated conflict. He was just tired. He didn't want the fate of the universe on his shoulders... then he becomes young, cursed to do it all over. With all the scenes you mentioned, maybe he _did_ want to die. And maybe that's why it ends the way it does. He is so pure that he will die playing a role he wanted to retire from 20 years ago. And by welcoming, by choosing with a smile to move on, he moves on completely, beyond the pre-Super Dragonverse as we then knew it. And his parting gift to his loved ones was one TRULY final save.
Objection!!! Tien was 100% the villain of his arc, even if he was the least evil villain in the series, and was only even the way he was bc he was taught to be that way. Still, he is very much like the Vegeta of the first half of the Manga, his arc just resolves faster. When Freeza gets involved, Vegeta is immediately overshadowed in terms of threat level, but it doesn't humble him for another decade. Tien see Tambourine and DKP and immediately has a change of heart, one that Roshi had already planted the seeds for, as Goku did for Vegeta. In fact, I'd argue the only reasons for keeping Vegeta hostile post-Namek was A. To give the heroes a proactive character while Goku is away, and B. So his arc doesn't completely copy Tiens, since he's meant to be Goku's last true rival.
OBJECTION I never said he wasn’t a villain. I said I’m ONLY COUNTING villains who were DEFEATED. That’s why I didn’t talk about Beerus either. I changed my mind about Hit because I thought it would be funny to give Monaka a point. Literally did it for the memes.
I like you MoodZi. I just now subscribed after watching you for a while, should've done it a long time ago. Anyway I will react to each of these villains. First of all my favorite villain in the DB franchise is Freeza. Tao is so cool I enjoyed him as a villain, he is one of those that can tell the tale on how he once beat Goku. Also let's admit that the pillar thing is so damn cool to witness. Demon King Piccoro and Piccoro Jr. were amazing, the father humbled Goku twice and the son once. Showing him he could have a real challenge. In terms of character I have deep hatred for Bejita The-IV, however as a fighter I can't deny how strong and smart he is. Well except for that one time he let a certain villain to become "perfect", here he lost some brain cells. Speaking of that bastard I hate Cell perhaps even worse than the prince of no one. I never found anything special about him, he was just a copycat insanely powerful freak. Kid Boo is my favorite version of Majin Boo. I love him for his chaotic nature and sense of humor. That belly dance he gave to Bejita made me laugh so hard. As for Beerus when I first saw him I said to myself "The son of a bitch deserve to die" but without him Goku wouldn't be where he was. As for Hit he was okay but nothing amazing as a character, sort of like a better version of Ghurd from the Ginyu Force. Before the arrival of DBS when there was only GT, I declared Omega Shenlong as the most boring villain in the franchise. Jiren is not a villain, yet even as an antagonist he took the spot of the most boring ever. He is just a super strong big bully, to a point where I couldn't care less about his backstory just saying F***** OFF JIREN! Then comes my favorite villain in DBS Zamas/Goku Black. Trunks able to pull off a transformation out of nowhere is because of what his dad told him when they trained "If you inherited Saiyan blood, if you are my son then I won't let you lose to anyone!" I still however don't like it. But ending it with Zeno made sense. Besides Beerus & Zamas I felt Moro is truly legit in being a terrifying villain. As for Gas and Granolah no hatred there was just no chemistry there for me. When it comes to GT- I love G. Rild and Baby, you already know how I feel about Omega Shenlong. As for S#17 I disown this bastard from my mind. The good thing about the S#17 saga in my opinion, is the return of old villains and the fight of Goku vs. Freeza & Cell in hell these were cool to watch. The character itself is shit. Now, I believe Goku didn't make a mistake by letting S#17 absorb his energy attacks. I think he tried to pull of a Yakon on S#17 just pure opinion and it didn't work anyway. Also I believe Goku became a full God before finishing off Omega, since Omega said his energy doesn't feel familiar anymore.
Yeah it’s a shame. The copyright really stunned my video because of the Re-Upload. But it’s fine. It’s not only about views. I just hope people enjoy despite the low view count.
Regarding how and why Trunks' timeline was completely erased in the Zamasu Saga is just one of the many reasons why Dragon Ball Super in general should not have been a thing in the first place.
I don’t think the fan base realize how that ending really damaged the shows reputation. The dragon ball fan base are living in a bubble. They don’t realize there are people out there who watch other anime and compare their own anime’s quality to ours.
Rarely like to participate in trendy topics, but at the same time I can admit my content isn’t inherently unique. Though I like to make it up with my own style.
Lots of gokus "wins" can be taken away. Because he didn't do it alone. Every single fight had some sort of outside interference. Even namek frieza had already fought piccolo, gohan, krillin, vegeta etc
I mean Future Trunks Saga was kinda sad because they really wanted to push it to be Trunks is the MC for this arc but it just doesn't feel right when there's literally Goku & Vegeta and more importantly Vegito to duke out Zamasu. Manga Future Trunks Saga did it a little bit better in my opinion.
it's too early to say who the final villain for Daima might be imo. It's still pretty early and I think we all know how Dragonball is with introducing the major villain part-way through the arc (like Cell with the Androids, for example)
Nah you had an L on the Zamasu ending. I loved when he fused with the universe. One of the few times dragon ball has ever been scary or genuinely hopeless. Absolute perfection (I’m also the biggest future trunks glazer to ever live)
Literally average cringe db fans in a nutshell. "I'm just gonna ignore garbage ass pull that's objectively shit writing because I like the character" bet zamasu shitting himself on skibidi toilet while wiping his ass is a good ending to someone like you.
@@newheart3757 What's your point? So is my opinion. Opinions are just becoming goofy to the point nothing can have a flaw anymore cuz "It'S SoMeOne'S OpiNi0n"
So if mui goku could take on a full power jiren and jiren is stronger than belmod and belmod is stronger than beerus then is mui goku stronger than beerus?
Super suck ass, there is no tension at all the entire series also the transformation really lame and nonsense power scaling :/ how can a rage super saiyan is stronger than super saiyan blue, how? Z is the peak
Nothing beats cell's death the father-son kamehameha still gets me excited and chills every time I see it. Without a doubt peak DBZ
Cell saga is better than saiayn saga. But DB hipsters aren’t ready for this conversation. Because according to them the show should have ended right after Goku meets bulma.
I enjoyed the cell saga over the saiyan saga if I had to ranked them it would be
1 Frieza saga
2 Cell saga
3 Buu Saga
4 Saiyan saga
@@jjbjjb273Frieza saga is awesome but it was a bit stale. The pacing is awful if we are talking about the anime. Cell arc has better pacing, and actually has a plot. There was mystery and plot twists left and right. From a mysterious Youth who came from the future and has the same form that Goku achieved in the previous arc, to Dr gero turning himself into an android, and realizing those two androids weren’t the ones that trunks warned us about. Then we find out there is another android 16, and the biggest twist is there was a second Time Machine used prior to trunks himself, and that was what changed the events so drastically. Honestly, cell arc is peak. People are just frustrated with it because the characters made stupid decisions constantly.
I also love how extended his death is. Cell screaming as he is slowly vaporized. So brutal.
Frieza and buu saga ended way better
"This was animated in the 80s, when resources and technology were limited. But you know whats not limited? The ass beating Goku inflicted on Piccolo." This was enough to make me like and subscribe. Keep up the great work!
Buddy drops BARZ!
Cell's, Kid Buu's and Golden Frieza DBS deaths are all magnificent masterpieces. Idk why watching the villain disintegrate is so satisfying
Man, you were probably the most underrated dragon Ball UA-camr period. I love your content and I hope to see a lot more of these type of videos. A suggestion on one that I haven’t seen anyone else talk about that would be really cool is to go over a list or rank all of the finalist and semi finalist from every tournament in the series that we know of. And I mean the tournaments from before Dragon Ball and the 24th, 28th, and the 30th. I think that was the one in GT if I’m not mistaken, but that would be awesome.
Thanks man I really appreciate it. As for your suggestion, I already made a video on who every world tournament winner was. I even counted special tournaments too. Though it was a bit of an old video so the quality and story telling isn’t as good as the newer ones.
This video deserves more views
40:56 Haha, nobody can beat me when I'm Super 17!! 🗣️🔥🔥
Gah moodzi just understand me and always ignite my love for dragon Ball thank you moodzi😭!!!!!!
Awesome Video Bro
vegeta assist in 16:02 was one of the main reasons gohan won
King Piccolo was by far the greatest villain and every other major villain was modelled after him.
Freeza is just King Piccolo from space. Cell is just King Piccolo made in a lab. Buu is just an utterly braindead King Piccolo.
One of the best dragon ball videos I have watched
The quality in this video is insane
Unpopular opinion but Zamasu arc is my favourite arc. It’s not always about the heros being victorious and having a great ending, that doesn’t always happen in real life and it doesn’t have to always happen in anime.
Like you said, Zamasu is the biggest threat in the series, and I really admired that about him just how much he hated mortals he became the damn universe 😭 actually absolute cinema
I never thought about this aspect of the GT Ending "Goku Achieves Nirvana" thing, but your joke has me thinking... Goku had been fighting his entire life, and trying to pass the torch since the Cell Saga. He personally trained two successors. While he loved fighting, he loved it for it's own sake. He hated conflict. He was just tired. He didn't want the fate of the universe on his shoulders... then he becomes young, cursed to do it all over. With all the scenes you mentioned, maybe he _did_ want to die. And maybe that's why it ends the way it does. He is so pure that he will die playing a role he wanted to retire from 20 years ago. And by welcoming, by choosing with a smile to move on, he moves on completely, beyond the pre-Super Dragonverse as we then knew it. And his parting gift to his loved ones was one TRULY final save.
Objection!!!
Tien was 100% the villain of his arc, even if he was the least evil villain in the series, and was only even the way he was bc he was taught to be that way.
Still, he is very much like the Vegeta of the first half of the Manga, his arc just resolves faster. When Freeza gets involved, Vegeta is immediately overshadowed in terms of threat level, but it doesn't humble him for another decade. Tien see Tambourine and DKP and immediately has a change of heart, one that Roshi had already planted the seeds for, as Goku did for Vegeta.
In fact, I'd argue the only reasons for keeping Vegeta hostile post-Namek was A. To give the heroes a proactive character while Goku is away, and B. So his arc doesn't completely copy Tiens, since he's meant to be Goku's last true rival.
OBJECTION
I never said he wasn’t a villain. I said I’m ONLY COUNTING villains who were DEFEATED. That’s why I didn’t talk about Beerus either. I changed my mind about Hit because I thought it would be funny to give Monaka a point. Literally did it for the memes.
I like you MoodZi. I just now subscribed after watching you for a while, should've done it a long time ago. Anyway I will react to each of these villains. First of all my favorite villain in the DB franchise is Freeza. Tao is so cool I enjoyed him as a villain, he is one of those that can tell the tale on how he once beat Goku. Also let's admit that the pillar thing is so damn cool to witness. Demon King Piccoro and Piccoro Jr. were amazing, the father humbled Goku twice and the son once. Showing him he could have a real challenge. In terms of character I have deep hatred for Bejita The-IV, however as a fighter I can't deny how strong and smart he is. Well except for that one time he let a certain villain to become "perfect", here he lost some brain cells.
Speaking of that bastard I hate Cell perhaps even worse than the prince of no one. I never found anything special about him, he was just a copycat insanely powerful freak. Kid Boo is my favorite version of Majin Boo. I love him for his chaotic nature and sense of humor. That belly dance he gave to Bejita made me laugh so hard. As for Beerus when I first saw him I said to myself "The son of a bitch deserve to die" but without him Goku wouldn't be where he was. As for Hit he was okay but nothing amazing as a character, sort of like a better version of Ghurd from the Ginyu Force.
Before the arrival of DBS when there was only GT, I declared Omega Shenlong as the most boring villain in the franchise. Jiren is not a villain, yet even as an antagonist he took the spot of the most boring ever. He is just a super strong big bully, to a point where I couldn't care less about his backstory just saying F***** OFF JIREN! Then comes my favorite villain in DBS Zamas/Goku Black. Trunks able to pull off a transformation out of nowhere is because of what his dad told him when they trained "If you inherited Saiyan blood, if you are my son then I won't let you lose to anyone!"
I still however don't like it. But ending it with Zeno made sense.
Besides Beerus & Zamas I felt Moro is truly legit in being a terrifying villain. As for Gas and Granolah no hatred there was just no chemistry there for me. When it comes to GT- I love G. Rild and Baby, you already know how I feel about Omega Shenlong. As for S#17 I disown this bastard from my mind. The good thing about the S#17 saga in my opinion, is the return of old villains and the fight of Goku vs. Freeza & Cell in hell these were cool to watch. The character itself is shit. Now, I believe Goku didn't make a mistake by letting S#17 absorb his energy attacks. I think he tried to pull of a Yakon on S#17 just pure opinion and it didn't work anyway. Also I believe Goku became a full God before finishing off Omega, since Omega said his energy doesn't feel familiar anymore.
Why is this got no views is this really ehat copyright does such high quality vid what a shame
Yeah it’s a shame. The copyright really stunned my video because of the Re-Upload. But it’s fine. It’s not only about views. I just hope people enjoy despite the low view count.
@moodzi1322 keep up the good work 👍 just earned sub from me and very good quality video
@Joshvotdthe video will pick up for sure
@@JackOil-rw2zg it's doing a little better but not as good as it should
Regarding how and why Trunks' timeline was completely erased in the Zamasu Saga is just one of the many reasons why Dragon Ball Super in general should not have been a thing in the first place.
I don’t think the fan base realize how that ending really damaged the shows reputation. The dragon ball fan base are living in a bubble. They don’t realize there are people out there who watch other anime and compare their own anime’s quality to ours.
You always have fresh content man.Keep it up man💯💯
Rarely like to participate in trendy topics, but at the same time I can admit my content isn’t inherently unique. Though I like to make it up with my own style.
My only complaint on this video is that it isn’t longer!
41:45 Bro really can really hit that *MOVE* 😭
I'm like 700 woo hoo!!! Not a bad way to spend an hour. Great video and have an awesome day. Peace
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Hey do trunks every attack rank video aswell
Will upload Goku attacks in 2 days.
Awesome video
Thanks!
Lots of gokus "wins" can be taken away. Because he didn't do it alone. Every single fight had some sort of outside interference. Even namek frieza had already fought piccolo, gohan, krillin, vegeta etc
I mean Future Trunks Saga was kinda sad because they really wanted to push it to be Trunks is the MC for this arc but it just doesn't feel right when there's literally Goku & Vegeta and more importantly Vegito to duke out Zamasu. Manga Future Trunks Saga did it a little bit better in my opinion.
Is there a big difference? I’m considering reading it now that I’m done the anime
41:43 Guys I think nobody can beat him when he's Super 17..
Whose here after the re-upload from last night?
Me
On god
Did you leave out Pilaf so Oolong doesn’t get a point, lmao
Didn’t want to include it since This video was already….Oolong
it's too early to say who the final villain for Daima might be imo. It's still pretty early and I think we all know how Dragonball is with introducing the major villain part-way through the arc (like Cell with the Androids, for example)
Vegeta really gets hoed especially cause fusions don't win the show so he cant even get half wins
It’s sad that we will never probably get any more dragon ball super because of toriyamas death. Rip
My only worry atm is that Toei might take the lazy route and turn the remaining arcs of DBS into movies. Because we will eventually get DBS.
My favorite defeat will always be king piccolo's. Top 5 panel for me.
Nah you had an L on the Zamasu ending. I loved when he fused with the universe. One of the few times dragon ball has ever been scary or genuinely hopeless. Absolute perfection (I’m also the biggest future trunks glazer to ever live)
Nah u bugging. Future trunks ending was straight garbage
@ my king is incapable of participating in garbage. You must have watched an episode of something else
Literally average cringe db fans in a nutshell. "I'm just gonna ignore garbage ass pull that's objectively shit writing because I like the character" bet zamasu shitting himself on skibidi toilet while wiping his ass is a good ending to someone like you.
@@shoobzy3431no way this shit got you this mad. Calm down my guy,it's just his opinion.
@@newheart3757 What's your point? So is my opinion. Opinions are just becoming goofy to the point nothing can have a flaw anymore cuz "It'S SoMeOne'S OpiNi0n"
42:42 💀💀
At least that’s what zamasu gets for threatening this universe.
It’s not General Tao that was a dubbing error. He was never a general but a hired mercenary
I implore you to please use your eyes and look at what I wrote on the screen.
@ I can see that, so you can imagine my disappointment when he was still referenced as General.
Bro don't lie you clearly do have a life if it takes you this long to upload each time.
Bro’s a chad trying to make us feel better
These villains should thank kami they didn't have to take on that monster PILAF like Goku did!
Goku really “riced” to the occasion
I wish Goku used the spirit bomb with ssj3 to defeat Kid Buu because ssj3 still doesn't have a win outside of the movies.
True but aside from his fight against Beerus, the form never truly lost a fight. You can technically say he beat ssj2 trunks in their sparring fight?
Man wanted to talk about GT.
I liked Trunks beating Zamahsu. He used the power of the idomible human spirit
The idmobile?
Sooo doesnt general rilldo count as a villain.
He got more powerful as the fight went on and is the final villain for the blackstar arc
Hmm I feel like it’s a bit tricky. I don’t view rildo as one of the main boss villains. Especially when Baby was revealed in the same arc as him.
The link of the soundtrack in this video
13:46 🤣
Oolong defeated pilaf!! Hello??🙋♂️
What happ3ned dude i watched most of this video yesterday
I got a copyright claim after an hour of the upload. So I had to take it down and fix it.
Makes sense
Why did you write it happ3ned?
Why you put Vegeta silhouette in the start? Should've put only Goku.
I guess I was just throwing some “shade” on Vegeta
*oof*
That's not how you open a video. 0:00 but okay.... because I watched Dragon ball z.
Bro judging the video from 0 seconds 😭😭😭
So if mui goku could take on a full power jiren and jiren is stronger than belmod and belmod is stronger than beerus then is mui goku stronger than beerus?
SHUSHHHHHH! You can’t say that! Beerus is the strongest to ever exist in fiction.
@moodzi1322 monaka solos
Not the Roblox SFX 😭
We not at least counting trunks vs androids and cell
Nah I said only boss villains.
My favorite is Moro
Super suck ass, there is no tension at all the entire series also the transformation really lame and nonsense power scaling :/ how can a rage super saiyan is stronger than super saiyan blue, how?
Z is the peak
for me is deffently cell
Manga zamasu was so much better with his clones
Yo
Daima is trash and shouldn't be considered canon.
[Edit] a and I were reversed, such a terrible typo.
Better than super?
@l4uchp4dgaming38 The only think that is trash is your grammar
@Dentonas1237 Says the guy whose grammar is trash. Lol.
@@l4unchp4dgaming38 You say my grammar is bad. Dude, first word in your comment is misspelled.
@Dentonas1237 We get it dude, you like chibi shows. Calm down.
Villain*
I cannot believe I missed that! Holy sh*t thank you. I also can’t believe you’re the first one to catch that.
A lot of misinformation in this video 🤣
Brainrot
Lmao Vegeta Zero wins
The wins Vegeta made is the friends he made along the way
@@moodzi1322LMAO
His biggest win is not being a deadbeat dad
Aye
God i hate DragonBall Super
People critiquing a cartoon are hilarious. A fictional cartoon mind you.
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These same people make more money than you doing so. That’s the hilarious part mind you.
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