it's really good! what i realized how in pillars2 has so many unnecessary words and even less fights during long walkings... and in the pathfinder2 had a lot of early battles and even story-words with a bit less unnecessary words! so pillars must to fix the play-fight time cause it's pretty boring! but still both of games has a lot unnecessary words! baldur's gate 3 is really a masterpiece
@@TCReyes after going back and playing through dragon age 2 for the second time I do appreciate some of the things that it does but it's just nowhere near the level of the first game. And don't even get me started on Inquisition. I feel like obsidian needs to come in and fix biowares shit just like the good old days.
it's really!!! even the second game is masterpiece too! in origin the crpg is more balanced but still very comfortable to control it! in 2 game the dynamic is more better and more action orientalted but still the crpg is exist! in the 3... well it's currently pretty bad if we comparing with the previrous games!
Tyranny is such a masterpiece, I can't recommend it enough. Although the game definitely isn't for everyone. It's text heavy and ends in a bit of a cliffhanger.
Divinity is fantastic, I'm playing it and currently addicted, but it's far from a must-play for everyone, because it's complex game that I can assure you a lot of gamers won't get into.
I'm reading the comments and writing down every game suggestion. My favorite genre since I discovered DOS, I looked for more of these types of games and found the amazing Pillars of eternity and then the great Pathfinder Kingmaker, I had fun with both and I intend to play the sequel to them. Thanks for the great video!
Usually i am very sceptical about "Top X" videos, but this one is of refined taste. Even if you know most of the listed games, it may give you that needed last impulse to play the game you saved for some future times. As it did for me, thank you.
I already played and finished Wasteland 3 and I keep on coming back from time to time. I have two games next on my list but I can't decide which one should I play first: Divinity Original Sin 2 or Wrath of the Righteous. I have seen several videos of each game and both of them are stunning in terms of graphics and gameplay. Thank you for this list!
I started DOS 2 and pathfinder Kingmaker and sticked to the second one. DOS is amazing as well, but I just crave the more classic RPG feel Pathfinder gives. I also kinda dislike how armor is handled in DOS 2. So Pathfinder first, DOS second ;)
pathfinder wotr is like an easy 100 hr + gamethru and thats if you know what youre doing lol its a lot. dos 2 is amazing too though, honestly both worth playing.
@@RAWxxx07 This is an awful take. DOS2 > either Pathfinder game. To the OP, if you feel like reading books and books worth of text and having to learn the entire Pathfinder rulebook (which is like taking DND and complicating it 10 times over for no reason), play Pathfinder. If you want to have fun and hear some great voice acting without spending 1,000 hours learning rules, play DOS2. WotR is also almost 200 hours for one playthrough which would be great if the game wasn't bloated.
I enjoyed Wasteland 3 too. One of the latest CRPG I actually bothered to complete. DOS 2 was great while it lasted but I kinda lost my interest in it after the Voidwoken Drill Worm / Alexandar boss fight.
So glad I am currently playing Divinity OS2 and Wasteland 3, along with Fallout 2 and will be playing Disco Elysium after this as I just bought it on Steam Summer Sale. What I’m looking for next would be a Isometric RPG with modern themes (guns, drones, etc.)
Me too. kinda burned out on elves and medieval themes (gotta regenerate until baldurs gate 3 comes out) maybe keep an eye on Colony Ship. Its by the same devs that made Age of decadence. its like cyberpunk meets fallout from the feeling. still in early access, but definitely worth a try. interesting story.
You forget the masterpieces of Jeff Vogel like the Avadon series and Avernum series (remakes) Also "siege of Avalon" was good, and the games "Summoner", "Renevant", "Serpent in the Staglands", "Arcanum of Stemworks", "Divine Divinity" And of course the classic d&d game "Planescape torment" And maybe the not so well known "telepath rpgs" are very good!
I feel like this is one of if not the top genre in gaming atm. Their old games hold up incredibly well and new ones with their own style are still coming out, not loaded with micro trans and are about player experience first.
Great list! Has some of my favorite games. My only suggestion would be to maybe not include BG 3 since the game is not yet completed? Just a personal opinion that not everyone would share though!
BG1&2 are much more interesting at the moment that what Larian has to offer. Fallout1 is probably the most interesting take on RPG and ATOM RPG is quite close to it. But if I had to choose, Underrail is even more interesting even without any proper reputation/alignment system. And Tyranny is truly a gem. Even if overall it's quite linear, what we can do with characters is really what I expected from Bethesda after Morrowind. As for Larian, I find Original Sin pretty uninteresting compared to the dark fantasy settings they produces with Divine Divinity and Beyond Divinity. They were amazing Diablo-like. As for Tales of Maj'Eyal, it's definitively on the top 3 of my list.
Sounds like you're just a fan of shitty, old graphics and don't like new, polished games. I want to play BG1&2, but I look at them and think "yuck." I will be playing BG3. And the weird part is that I'm an old guy. I've been playing games for over 30 years, but for some reason, I look at the BG1&2 and original Fallout graphics and have no desire to go back to that time period.
@@JBrandonMercer123 If you haven't played the original BG games, and instead, base your opinion on graphics alone on why you will play BG3 instead, then your opinion has no reason to be taken seriously. BG3 plays, feels and looks nothing like the original games, and yes, I am aware that the original games are over 20 years old and technology in games has come a long way, but a game from today can still look and feel like an older game, despite utilizing new graphics technology and techniques. Look at Obsidian with the Pillars games or BLizzard with Starcraft 2 and Diablo 4, invoking the feel of the older games. With BG3, Larian has essentially just created a DnD version of Divinity: OS, rather than a proper, reputable sequel to the games in which it shares a name with. The criticisms against BG3 are valid, not just from oldschool BG1&2 fans, but also from those currently playing BG3 in EA. Larian is a one trick pony. They admitted as much in an interview, where they mentioned they chose not to do make BG3 real-time with pause (which is what the original games were and a defining feature of all the infinity engine games) was because they lacked the experience with developing games with that type of gameplay. As for Early Access, they lack vision and there has been little to no substantial updates for a year. And finally, on the topic of graphics, pixel and sprite-based games, tend to be the ones whose graphics age better or are deemed 'timeless,' which is why there is a resurgence of pixel-based graphics in the indie scene, whereas 3d-based games are the ones the often tend to show their age after significant time has passed. Go back look at early 3d-based games like Turok or Tomb Raider or even Morrowind and compare them to like games on SNES or Genesis or early crpg's. Which games aged better? The consensus is on the latter.
@@JBrandonMercer123 sounds you haven't played enough of the games like the BG series. The games do look a bit old even with the Enhanced editions but the gameplay, story and even the mechanics are still somehow present in most games of the genre.
Hmm, sad neither Expeditions Rome, or Expeditions Vikings made the list, as they are amazing, though most people haven't played them, so I guess it's understandable.
noo the game is good, i just wanted to make another part for this series, since i don't want to make the videos too long haha definitely will put those games on the next part
One small correction: You said that that Wasteland feels like a successor to the original Fallout games - that's wrong. The original Fallout was released in 1997 - the original Wasteland was released in 1988, 9 years before Fallout. So if anything Fallout is a successor to Wasteland. Mentioning good older RPGs is actually easy - still playing them not so much, many don't run on modern platforms anymore. Here's some really good old RPGs: - the Ultima series, with Ultima IV and Ultima VII being the best entries - the Bard's Tale series - the Wizardry series - the D&D games of old (Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades, Pools of Darkness; Gateway to the Savage Frontier and Treasures of the Savage Frontier; Eye of the Beholder 1-3, Icewind Dale; Champions of Krynn, Death Knights of Krynn, The Dark Queen of Krynn and more) - Gothic 1-3, Gothic 2 in particular is a really good game - Black Crypt (that one was a tough nut to crack) - Legend of Faerghail - Amberstar - the Might & Magic series - Dungeon Master The graphics of all of these games are of course somewhere between extremely outdated to almost non-existant by modern standards, but the games where so good and so much fun to play.
Don't know about Ultima IV and VII being 'the best'. But there's full remakes of Ultima V & VI for Dungeon Siege (2002). Not a fan of your list in general, mostly just a list of the most well known and generic hack'n slash first person dungeon crawlers and for no reason at all you also shoehorned Gothic in there when they're not old, not the best or most noteable cRPGs of that time and actually play more like console games than true cRPGs. I consider hack'n slash focused Dungeon crawlers a separate genre from RPGs anyway, I wouldn't compare Bard's Tale, Dungeon master or Eye of the Beholder to Fallout 2 or Baldur's gate 3. Different, barely related experiences. But if you wanted to paint a broad brush, you only picked hack'n slash dungeon crawlers besides Ultima! To be fair, the dungeon crawlers of that time were less clunky and did hold up better due to their simplicity.
@joelRPG asked for us to name RPGs we like and I answered. Stating that any of the Gothic games is a Dungeon Crawler is ridiculous and makes me think that you never played the Gothic games. It is irrelevant if you consider Dungeon Crawlers RPGs or not. They are. In fact the whole origin of roleplaying in general started with Gary Gygax and co taking wargaming to dungeon crawling. "The best" is a useless term because its entirely subjective. Just because you personally like a game doesn't make it automatically a good game, and neither does it make a game bad only because you personally disliked it. And last but not least - why do you want to make a competition out of that? I never stated the games I mentioned are "the best", I said they're good games, nothing more, nothing less. It's actually possible to like different games.
@@HH-hd7nd Fair, my response was uncalled for. I thought you were talking about what should have been on the list like so many others. I never did or would call Gothic a dunngeon crawler, I said it's basically a console game and not really a 'cRPG' like Wizardry or Ultima. It has goddamn tank controls and platforming like Tomb raider, a voiced protagonist and basically no dungeons. Morrowind's a dungeon crawler, not Gothic.
@@7dayspking No I didn't, I just listed some good old games - actually I doubt that most people nowadays even know these games existed at all which is the one of the reasons I mentioned these titles and not some newer, more widespread known titles. Gothic is not a console game btw - all three games where PC exclusive on release. I don't know if any of the games was later released on console as well though, but if that's the case these are ports, not original releases. Reading your description I can't help but think that you're not talking about the same game as I do. I'm talking about the RPG released by Pyranha Bytes in 2001 (btw 2002 and 2006 for Gothic 2 and 3 respectively).
I downloaded a random game called pillars of eternity 2 and found anew favorite genre. Since, I have played it's predecessor, pathfinder kingmaker and its sequel from last year, wrath of the righteous. What I find most enjoyable is customizing characters and setting my parties actions via in-game settings. Pillars 2 was by far the best that I've played when it comes to this feature. Allowing different abilities to be queued up at different health percentages of both target and friendly targets with distancers and gap closers. The worst being the recent pathfinder game.... So my main question here is which game has a better system or as good as pillars 2?
same with me but I downloaded divinity original sin, before I started to like RPG/CRPG , it was absolute blast,fun,mindblowing. The story is just very good for me . Then I started to like rpg, crpg and turn-based combat game like pathfinder, baldurs gate, spellforce,dos 1 and alot more... Divinity original sin 2 is definitely must try , I recommend sorry for my bad english
Divinity have best battle system, dialog, visuals and multiply ways to do quests. But story wise? It's still good don't get me wrong, but not exiting at all for me.
@@jeremymoran8763 nah it is a good sign, CRPGs are niche, and in a world where the gaming indursty constantly lay eggs, crpg has a very impressive and great list of games you can play today. Due to their style, graphics was never the main so old games hold up just fine. That top 15 could easily be re arranged due to the person, as they all have their own flairs, great games! I have a feel Adren liked thinking of the list.
Would you really even consider dragon age origins to be a CRPG it's more RPG with a bit of Classic mechanics but overall it's still a more modern Western RPG
Great selection, my only beef is that Numenera IS NOT the successor of Torment, Not even by a Mile. It did leave me a bad taste in the mouth, specially that ending... ugh. BUT that is my opinion.
We have been burnt by EA games before, but some also are successful. If a good company releases an EA, I will give them 1. If the game is crap that company is basically dead to me, only buy stuff on deep sales. But if they make a good game, they stay that good company. BG3 is not made by some random team that is just trying out crpg for their first time. For any EA game to have a good chance at turning out right, I would hedge bets on BG3
Each time I try Solasta, it feels like I'm playing a tech demo. That's also the only game in this list I just can't get into. I think there are also several games that are far superior to some of the games mentioned here. Planescape torment, baldurs gate 1 and baldurs gate 2 all have enhanced editions. I'd much rather play those games, over half the games on this list.
From a pure old school 90ies PoV: Might & Magic VII, Baldur's Gate II were some great games - but Fallout 2 was the GOATest CRPG i ever played. Heck nothing comes even close to this masterpiece!!! Uhm, nothing but TES II: Daggerfall of course. :)
Better laugh, it’s sold a ton of early access copies and is great. Full release is only a few months out. Supporting devs while they finish the polish is what early access is for. If you don’t understand that, I will laugh,
I know wasteland 3 is a nice game but the humour is not for me. The sound of Armour and robotic chicken is terrible 😫. I wish I could enjoy wasteland 3
How a Crpg who runs turn by turn system can be nice ? This is just the worst system ever. You can call this : Crpg as long as you don’t have real time system just because all the best crpg running real time system.
Its understandable. Disco Elysium is very interesting in the fact that there is truly no other game with this kind of writing style in the world... but it does present itself very pretentiously and very "look at all the big words i can use that I don't need to use". It can come across as a very arrogantly written game, but that in itself is a somewhat unique experience to play.
It's not for everyone, Actually I do not like such kind of games. But i was enthralled by the history and the Music, that Church Music is Dope, and the Ending with the.. ermm... won't spoil but the moment is quite magic.
Disco Elysium is prolly a top 2 for me, the fact that i can choose to be a Drug addict art loving cool looking mechanic cop and just say random shit to people and also stumble upon clues and solve mystery what got me hooked to the game.
The way people use the labels is nonsense. The 'c' stands for 'computer'. It was used in the 70s, 80s and 90s to distinguish between Western RPGs that were primarily on PC from JRPGs which were primarily on consoles or at least played just like their console based counterparts. When Western RPGs moved onto consoles around 2002-2006, they started using 'WRPG' and 'JRPG' to distinguish them. But 'cRPG' paints a very broad brush. Encompasses everything from Diablo like hack'n slash lootfests,Turn-based First person hack'n slash dungeon crawlers, Isometric story & quest driven RPGs, dynamic & procedural sandboxes & hybrid games like Strategy or tactics RPG hybrids & Graphic adventure, RPG hybrids. 'cRPG' wasn't a specific genre. Today though, it's normally used to refer to games in the style of Black Isle & Bioware's late 90s RPGs like Fallout, Planescape and Baldur's gate. You'd remove Tower of TIme, Solasta and Shadowrun from this list if you used cRPG in this way, as they're not very much like Planescape, Fallout or Baldur's gate.
@@7dayspking Thanks for the detailed explanation. For me, if "C" means classic, then it means deep development of the character/s. Since before it was not possible to make cooler graphics and physics, the developers tried to captivate us with the GAME ITSELF - that is, GAME PLAY! And that's what I like. I have been playing games for a long time, the first computer was 286. And having gone through many different games in my life, I prefer RPGs - ARPGs. Therefore, this option is suitable for more players. It all depends on what skill YOU have more developed - hands, reaction or BRAIN!))) It is possible to compensate for one with the other, and ideally have everything together !!!)))
@@majorgear1021 Something I forgot to mention is that 'cRPG' even earlier than that was used to differentiate computer games from live action role playing games because there were no JRPGs in the 70s & early 80s when cRPGs first emerged.
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Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous... this one quickly turned into my favorite crpg of all time.
it's really good! what i realized how in pillars2 has so many unnecessary words and even less fights during long walkings...
and in the pathfinder2 had a lot of early battles and even story-words with a bit less unnecessary words!
so pillars must to fix the play-fight time cause it's pretty boring!
but still both of games has a lot unnecessary words! baldur's gate 3 is really a masterpiece
DA: Origins. Truly one of the greatest games ever made.
Crazy how that franchise peaked with the first game
@@TCReyes Bioware peaked with Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age Origins, and basically EA takeover destroyed the company afterwards.
@@JamesL0717 Bioware peaked with baldur's gate and kotor
@@TCReyes after going back and playing through dragon age 2 for the second time I do appreciate some of the things that it does but it's just nowhere near the level of the first game. And don't even get me started on Inquisition. I feel like obsidian needs to come in and fix biowares shit just like the good old days.
it's really!!! even the second game is masterpiece too!
in origin the crpg is more balanced but still very comfortable to control it!
in 2 game the dynamic is more better and more action orientalted but still the crpg is exist!
in the 3... well it's currently pretty bad if we comparing with the previrous games!
Planescape: Torment
dragon age origins is a LEGENDARY GAME, soooo goood, even to this date i dont find a game like it.
Tyranny is such a masterpiece, I can't recommend it enough. Although the game definitely isn't for everyone. It's text heavy and ends in a bit of a cliffhanger.
I don't think it ends so much on a cliffhanger more it just feels rushed.
Divinity Original Sins 2 and wasteland 3 should be a must play for everyone.
Divinity is fantastic, I'm playing it and currently addicted, but it's far from a must-play for everyone, because it's complex game that I can assure you a lot of gamers won't get into.
I'm reading the comments and writing down every game suggestion.
My favorite genre since I discovered DOS, I looked for more of these types of games and found the amazing Pillars of eternity and then the great Pathfinder Kingmaker, I had fun with both and I intend to play the sequel to them.
Thanks for the great video!
i didnt enjoy the combat in pillars. i like it more like solasta and wasteland
This is my favourite genre. I playing pillars of eternity now. All game on the list is my wishlist, 😍
Hope you enjoy it!
Torment: Tides of Numenera is my absolute favorite
Usually i am very sceptical about "Top X" videos, but this one is of refined taste.
Even if you know most of the listed games, it may give you that needed last impulse to play the game you saved for some future times. As it did for me, thank you.
I have played most of the games on your list except 11, 14 and 15. Very good list!
Disco Elysium can only be experienced, not described.
Tides of numenera instead of planescape?
Don't fucking apologize for speaking an additional language.
I'm happy cause you mentioned torment tides of numenera, on my personal opinion it's a masterpiece. r
I already played and finished Wasteland 3 and I keep on coming back from time to time.
I have two games next on my list but I can't decide which one should I play first: Divinity Original Sin 2 or Wrath of the Righteous.
I have seen several videos of each game and both of them are stunning in terms of graphics and gameplay.
Thank you for this list!
I started DOS 2 and pathfinder Kingmaker and sticked to the second one. DOS is amazing as well, but I just crave the more classic RPG feel Pathfinder gives. I also kinda dislike how armor is handled in DOS 2. So Pathfinder first, DOS second ;)
both are the best games ever created! play them
pathfinder wotr is like an easy 100 hr + gamethru and thats if you know what youre doing lol its a lot. dos 2 is amazing too though, honestly both worth playing.
@@RAWxxx07 This is an awful take. DOS2 > either Pathfinder game. To the OP, if you feel like reading books and books worth of text and having to learn the entire Pathfinder rulebook (which is like taking DND and complicating it 10 times over for no reason), play Pathfinder. If you want to have fun and hear some great voice acting without spending 1,000 hours learning rules, play DOS2. WotR is also almost 200 hours for one playthrough which would be great if the game wasn't bloated.
I enjoyed Wasteland 3 too. One of the latest CRPG I actually bothered to complete. DOS 2 was great while it lasted but I kinda lost my interest in it after the Voidwoken Drill Worm / Alexandar boss fight.
Love that you put DA:O on here.
Always!
So glad I am currently playing Divinity OS2 and Wasteland 3, along with Fallout 2 and will be playing Disco Elysium after this as I just bought it on Steam Summer Sale.
What I’m looking for next would be a Isometric RPG with modern themes (guns, drones, etc.)
Me too. kinda burned out on elves and medieval themes (gotta regenerate until baldurs gate 3 comes out) maybe keep an eye on Colony Ship. Its by the same devs that made Age of decadence. its like cyberpunk meets fallout from the feeling. still in early access, but definitely worth a try. interesting story.
I love that you rated Solasta ABOVE Baldur's Gate 3. Agree 100%
Yes, good job rating games before they are even released.
I Neverwinter Nights 2 still my all-time favorite! ☺️
Yeah for sure 2. NWN 1 OG was okay but Shadows of Undrentide expansion was a masterpiece.
You forget the masterpieces of Jeff Vogel like the Avadon series and Avernum series (remakes)
Also "siege of Avalon" was good, and the games "Summoner", "Renevant", "Serpent in the Staglands", "Arcanum of Stemworks", "Divine Divinity"
And of course the classic d&d game "Planescape torment"
And maybe the not so well known "telepath rpgs" are very good!
Lol, I said the same, Arcanum is a pretty obscure game. I know few people that did play it.
I feel like this is one of if not the top genre in gaming atm. Their old games hold up incredibly well and new ones with their own style are still coming out, not loaded with micro trans and are about player experience first.
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Much appreciated!
Great list! Has some of my favorite games. My only suggestion would be to maybe not include BG 3 since the game is not yet completed? Just a personal opinion that not everyone would share though!
thank you :)
yea the game is still on early access, but it's already fun enough to play even in this state
+1 as BG 3 will likely not be any good.
@@majorgear1021 party pooper
Wrath of the Righteous is right up there....my #1 equal on this list.
The Temple of Elemental Evel is a very good isometric oldschool rpg
The new Knights of the Chalice 2 is also worth looking into, once the bugs are fixed and people start making custom modules.
your voice is pleasing to hear! thanks for the list
thank you :)
BG1&2 are much more interesting at the moment that what Larian has to offer.
Fallout1 is probably the most interesting take on RPG and ATOM RPG is quite close to it. But if I had to choose, Underrail is even more interesting even without any proper reputation/alignment system.
And Tyranny is truly a gem. Even if overall it's quite linear, what we can do with characters is really what I expected from Bethesda after Morrowind.
As for Larian, I find Original Sin pretty uninteresting compared to the dark fantasy settings they produces with Divine Divinity and Beyond Divinity. They were amazing Diablo-like.
As for Tales of Maj'Eyal, it's definitively on the top 3 of my list.
As for the NWN series, the DLC are just magic compared to base games, especially for NWN2.
Sounds like you're just a fan of shitty, old graphics and don't like new, polished games. I want to play BG1&2, but I look at them and think "yuck." I will be playing BG3. And the weird part is that I'm an old guy. I've been playing games for over 30 years, but for some reason, I look at the BG1&2 and original Fallout graphics and have no desire to go back to that time period.
@@JBrandonMercer123 not really no. But graphics are indeed completely secondary in a game.
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If you haven't played the original BG games, and instead, base your opinion on graphics alone on why you will play BG3 instead, then your opinion has no reason to be taken seriously. BG3 plays, feels and looks nothing like the original games, and yes, I am aware that the original games are over 20 years old and technology in games has come a long way, but a game from today can still look and feel like an older game, despite utilizing new graphics technology and techniques. Look at Obsidian with the Pillars games or BLizzard with Starcraft 2 and Diablo 4, invoking the feel of the older games. With BG3, Larian has essentially just created a DnD version of Divinity: OS, rather than a proper, reputable sequel to the games in which it shares a name with.
The criticisms against BG3 are valid, not just from oldschool BG1&2 fans, but also from those currently playing BG3 in EA. Larian is a one trick pony. They admitted as much in an interview, where they mentioned they chose not to do make BG3 real-time with pause (which is what the original games were and a defining feature of all the infinity engine games) was because they lacked the experience with developing games with that type of gameplay. As for Early Access, they lack vision and there has been little to no substantial updates for a year.
And finally, on the topic of graphics, pixel and sprite-based games, tend to be the ones whose graphics age better or are deemed 'timeless,' which is why there is a resurgence of pixel-based graphics in the indie scene, whereas 3d-based games are the ones the often tend to show their age after significant time has passed. Go back look at early 3d-based games like Turok or Tomb Raider or even Morrowind and compare them to like games on SNES or Genesis or early crpg's. Which games aged better? The consensus is on the latter.
@@JBrandonMercer123 sounds you haven't played enough of the games like the BG series. The games do look a bit old even with the Enhanced editions but the gameplay, story and even the mechanics are still somehow present in most games of the genre.
whats another jrpg like dragon quest 8 for pc right now? thanks.
Very nice review, thank you
No problem 👍
I love most of the entries on here but Arcanum missing kinda sucks. Good list though
Hmm, sad neither Expeditions Rome, or Expeditions Vikings made the list, as they are amazing, though most people haven't played them, so I guess it's understandable.
noo the game is good, i just wanted to make another part for this series, since i don't want to make the videos too long haha definitely will put those games on the next part
Conquistador was more fun though. I felt quite undermined by Vikings I didn't bother with Rome, I'll get it when it'll be cheaper.
I really enjoyed Expeditions when I played it a few months back! That said the enemy archers really enjoy lighting you on fire haha
Came here to say this. Loved Vikings but Rome was super special
i can't find any game that gave me DOS2 vibe till now but I've just got wasteland 3 and it looks promising
One small correction: You said that that Wasteland feels like a successor to the original Fallout games - that's wrong. The original Fallout was released in 1997 - the original Wasteland was released in 1988, 9 years before Fallout. So if anything Fallout is a successor to Wasteland.
Mentioning good older RPGs is actually easy - still playing them not so much, many don't run on modern platforms anymore. Here's some really good old RPGs:
- the Ultima series, with Ultima IV and Ultima VII being the best entries
- the Bard's Tale series
- the Wizardry series
- the D&D games of old (Pool of Radiance, Curse of the Azure Bonds, Secret of the Silver Blades, Pools of Darkness; Gateway to the Savage Frontier and Treasures of the Savage Frontier; Eye of the Beholder 1-3, Icewind Dale; Champions of Krynn, Death Knights of Krynn, The Dark Queen of Krynn and more)
- Gothic 1-3, Gothic 2 in particular is a really good game
- Black Crypt (that one was a tough nut to crack)
- Legend of Faerghail
- Amberstar
- the Might & Magic series
- Dungeon Master
The graphics of all of these games are of course somewhere between extremely outdated to almost non-existant by modern standards, but the games where so good and so much fun to play.
Thank you for the great info!
Don't know about Ultima IV and VII being 'the best'. But there's full remakes of Ultima V & VI for Dungeon Siege (2002).
Not a fan of your list in general, mostly just a list of the most well known and generic hack'n slash first person dungeon crawlers and for no reason at all you also shoehorned Gothic in there when they're not old, not the best or most noteable cRPGs of that time and actually play more like console games than true cRPGs.
I consider hack'n slash focused Dungeon crawlers a separate genre from RPGs anyway, I wouldn't compare Bard's Tale, Dungeon master or Eye of the Beholder to Fallout 2 or Baldur's gate 3. Different, barely related experiences. But if you wanted to paint a broad brush, you only picked hack'n slash dungeon crawlers besides Ultima! To be fair, the dungeon crawlers of that time were less clunky and did hold up better due to their simplicity.
@joelRPG asked for us to name RPGs we like and I answered.
Stating that any of the Gothic games is a Dungeon Crawler is ridiculous and makes me think that you never played the Gothic games.
It is irrelevant if you consider Dungeon Crawlers RPGs or not. They are. In fact the whole origin of roleplaying in general started with Gary Gygax and co taking wargaming to dungeon crawling.
"The best" is a useless term because its entirely subjective. Just because you personally like a game doesn't make it automatically a good game, and neither does it make a game bad only because you personally disliked it.
And last but not least - why do you want to make a competition out of that? I never stated the games I mentioned are "the best", I said they're good games, nothing more, nothing less. It's actually possible to like different games.
@@HH-hd7nd Fair, my response was uncalled for. I thought you were talking about what should have been on the list like so many others.
I never did or would call Gothic a dunngeon crawler, I said it's basically a console game and not really a 'cRPG' like Wizardry or Ultima. It has goddamn tank controls and platforming like Tomb raider, a voiced protagonist and basically no dungeons.
Morrowind's a dungeon crawler, not Gothic.
@@7dayspking No I didn't, I just listed some good old games - actually I doubt that most people nowadays even know these games existed at all which is the one of the reasons I mentioned these titles and not some newer, more widespread known titles.
Gothic is not a console game btw - all three games where PC exclusive on release. I don't know if any of the games was later released on console as well though, but if that's the case these are ports, not original releases.
Reading your description I can't help but think that you're not talking about the same game as I do. I'm talking about the RPG released by Pyranha Bytes in 2001 (btw 2002 and 2006 for Gothic 2 and 3 respectively).
I downloaded a random game called pillars of eternity 2 and found anew favorite genre. Since, I have played it's predecessor, pathfinder kingmaker and its sequel from last year, wrath of the righteous.
What I find most enjoyable is customizing characters and setting my parties actions via in-game settings. Pillars 2 was by far the best that I've played when it comes to this feature. Allowing different abilities to be queued up at different health percentages of both target and friendly targets with distancers and gap closers. The worst being the recent pathfinder game....
So my main question here is which game has a better system or as good as pillars 2?
i've always enjoyed Divinity Original Sin 2 more than the pillars of eternity, maybe you can try that :)
@@JoelRPG DOS2 for their origin system alone is worth. Great story, great world, makes you want to play thru many times as the options are endless.
same with me but I downloaded divinity original sin, before I started to like RPG/CRPG , it was absolute blast,fun,mindblowing. The story is just very good for me .
Then I started to like rpg, crpg and turn-based combat game like pathfinder, baldurs gate, spellforce,dos 1 and alot more... Divinity original sin 2 is definitely must try , I recommend
sorry for my bad english
Divinity have best battle system, dialog, visuals and multiply ways to do quests. But story wise? It's still good don't get me wrong, but not exiting at all for me.
Great list!
Thanks!
Great list. But truly criminal how many CRPG's are just single player. Massive shame. D:OS2 is sublime to play thru with friends in coop.
Wrath of righteousness should be number 1 its great
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Dang... played everyone of these, and beaten 2/3rd of em
Where’s bg 1 and 2 EE? Where’s planescape torment
1. Planescape: Torment
2. Fallout 1/2
3. Baldurs gate 1/2
4. Disco Elysium
5. Arcanum
6. Shadowrun: Dragonfall, Honk-Kong
7. Icewind dale 1/2
8. Dragon age: origins
9. The age of decadence
10. Tyranny
Where is PoE 1/2?
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11. ToEE
12. Pillars 2
13. Pillars 1
14. DOS 2
15. DOS 1
Lol. Sorry. U didn’t have to make a top 15! Appreciate it brother.
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@@jeremymoran8763 nah it is a good sign, CRPGs are niche, and in a world where the gaming indursty constantly lay eggs, crpg has a very impressive and great list of games you can play today. Due to their style, graphics was never the main so old games hold up just fine. That top 15 could easily be re arranged due to the person, as they all have their own flairs, great games! I have a feel Adren liked thinking of the list.
Would you really even consider dragon age origins to be a CRPG it's more RPG with a bit of Classic mechanics but overall it's still a more modern Western RPG
Planescape Torment? Diablo 2? Fallout 1/2?
:((
I picked up "tower of time" today on steam for less than $7
that company is coming out with a new game soon as well. Keep an eye on Dark Envoy if you enjoy tower of time, I certainly did.
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I own and played them, so great list my friend.
Awesome! Thank you!
Pathfinder wrath of the righteous below pillars of eternity 2 and wasteland cant possible
Did Xcom not qualify to the list?
xcom is a turn based strategy i think, not a crpg, at least not in the traditional concept.
Great selection, my only beef is that Numenera IS NOT the successor of Torment, Not even by a Mile. It did leave me a bad taste in the mouth, specially that ending... ugh. BUT that is my opinion.
Such a good list. The only I had a lot of trouble getting into was age of decadence.
Neverwinter nights 2?
I think that you make some of these lists just so you can say how great Divinity is.
Why is a game that isn’t fully released on this list!
because it is cool :D
We have been burnt by EA games before, but some also are successful. If a good company releases an EA, I will give them 1. If the game is crap that company is basically dead to me, only buy stuff on deep sales. But if they make a good game, they stay that good company. BG3 is not made by some random team that is just trying out crpg for their first time. For any EA game to have a good chance at turning out right, I would hedge bets on BG3
Fall Last days of gaya
Wizardry 8
Each time I try Solasta, it feels like I'm playing a tech demo. That's also the only game in this list I just can't get into.
I think there are also several games that are far superior to some of the games mentioned here. Planescape torment, baldurs gate 1 and baldurs gate 2 all have enhanced editions. I'd much rather play those games, over half the games on this list.
Pathfinder for me could be 2º after dinity 2
BG1, BG2 SoA + ToB still rulez...
From a pure old school 90ies PoV: Might & Magic VII, Baldur's Gate II were some great games - but Fallout 2 was the GOATest CRPG i ever played. Heck nothing comes even close to this masterpiece!!! Uhm, nothing but TES II: Daggerfall of course. :)
Can anyone tell me games similar to langrisser series and shadowrun
"Its believable"...
Your chasing around a skyscraper sized God in the form of a adra giant.
Original divinity 2??? Really?? 🤦🏻♂️
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Baldur gates 3 is not finished, so if you enjoy to pay $45 for an unfinish product, I will laugh, but it is your money lol
Better laugh, it’s sold a ton of early access copies and is great. Full release is only a few months out. Supporting devs while they finish the polish is what early access is for. If you don’t understand that, I will laugh,
Where is UnderRail?
i will make part 2 for this series :)
*cough* You did not mention Arcanum *cough*
TOWER OF TIME best game
No baldurs gate 2 ? What a joke
yea im joking :D
Grim Dawn is awesome
That's a different genre.
I know wasteland 3 is a nice game but the humour is not for me. The sound of Armour and robotic chicken is terrible 😫. I wish I could enjoy wasteland 3
Divinity 2 first place and Baldur's gate 2 the second
I’m trying to figure out your accent
Underrail: Expedition
i just cant get into the atmosphere of wasteland. it just feels so ew to me lol
all of games are turn based... good as fuck toplist...
BG 2 though…
I've only ever played Baldur's Gate from this list, since I'm more into portables :p
Fallout 2…
Dragon Age shouldn't be on this list or should be n. 1.
As I always say a Crpg top not this Planescape Torment is not a serious top.
How a Crpg who runs turn by turn system can be nice ?
This is just the worst system ever.
You can call this : Crpg as long as you don’t have real time system just because all the best crpg running real time system.
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I am gonna just come out and say it,I didn't like Disco Elysium.
its okay :D
Same, as a non native english speaker i find it difficult to understand all philosophical bs as this game rely on dialogue.
Its understandable. Disco Elysium is very interesting in the fact that there is truly no other game with this kind of writing style in the world... but it does present itself very pretentiously and very "look at all the big words i can use that I don't need to use". It can come across as a very arrogantly written game, but that in itself is a somewhat unique experience to play.
It's not for everyone, Actually I do not like such kind of games. But i was enthralled by the history and the Music, that Church Music is Dope, and the Ending with the.. ermm... won't spoil but the moment is quite magic.
Disco Elysium is prolly a top 2 for me, the fact that i can choose to be a Drug addict art loving cool looking mechanic cop and just say random shit to people and also stumble upon clues and solve mystery what got me hooked to the game.
WTF Disco Elysium & where is Encased?
It's HIS list not yours. Go make your own video if you want it on the list. Chill out
C - ??? Clasic ? I know `A` - Action, `T` - Tactical RPG-is.
i know its weird XD
It stands for computer, but can be said for a classic as well
The way people use the labels is nonsense. The 'c' stands for 'computer'. It was used in the 70s, 80s and 90s to distinguish between Western RPGs that were primarily on PC from JRPGs which were primarily on consoles or at least played just like their console based counterparts. When Western RPGs moved onto consoles around 2002-2006, they started using 'WRPG' and 'JRPG' to distinguish them.
But 'cRPG' paints a very broad brush. Encompasses everything from Diablo like hack'n slash lootfests,Turn-based First person hack'n slash dungeon crawlers, Isometric story & quest driven RPGs, dynamic & procedural sandboxes & hybrid games like Strategy or tactics RPG hybrids & Graphic adventure, RPG hybrids.
'cRPG' wasn't a specific genre. Today though, it's normally used to refer to games in the style of Black Isle & Bioware's late 90s RPGs like Fallout, Planescape and Baldur's gate. You'd remove Tower of TIme, Solasta and Shadowrun from this list if you used cRPG in this way, as they're not very much like Planescape, Fallout or Baldur's gate.
@@7dayspking Thanks for the detailed explanation. For me, if "C" means classic, then it means deep development of the character/s. Since before it was not possible to make cooler graphics and physics, the developers tried to captivate us with the GAME ITSELF - that is, GAME PLAY! And that's what I like. I have been playing games for a long time, the first computer was 286. And having gone through many different games in my life, I prefer RPGs - ARPGs. Therefore, this option is suitable for more players. It all depends on what skill YOU have more developed - hands, reaction or BRAIN!))) It is possible to compensate for one with the other, and ideally have everything together !!!)))
@@7dayspking Yep. usage of the term cRPG has changed over time. It’s interesting to see it’s history.
@@majorgear1021 Something I forgot to mention is that 'cRPG' even earlier than that was used to differentiate computer games from live action role playing games because there were no JRPGs in the 70s & early 80s when cRPGs first emerged.
Games Larian and Obsidian - worst
Torment: Tides of Numenera is my absolute favorite
Probaste Planescape torment?
finished this one like a year ago and it was really immersive. the Sorrow thing, god it's a genious idea never saw a vilain like that before