FAQ'N Friday #48 - Popular Gear I Don't Like, 212 Cabs, Best Rigs Under $1,000
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So all this talk about cabs made me want to share a fun find: I found an empty Crate 2x12 cab from the 90’s Palomino series (the vintage off-white ones) on FB Marketplace for $50 that might be the best cab I’ve ever played. It’s an actual square instead of rectangle so it looks like a tiny 4x12 with the speakers in x pattern, made of plywood not mdf, and it’s built ridiculously deep, almost like a bass cab, so it has MASSIVE but clear and pristine low end. Currently running V30 and Greenback and I can’t express how wonderful the tone I’m getting through this thing. I just thought it looked like a cool cheap cab, never expected it to sound as good as it does. It’s the only one I’ve ever seen and almost no info online so it seems pretty rare, but if you EVER see one of these grab it immediately!!!
Holy shit, I just saw one that went with a Crate Vintage Club on facebook today. It wasn't $50....it was $200....but I've got a lot of experience with that series of amps and everything was very well built. I'm still considering grabbing it for that price, just to have an extra cab to roll with my boss katana head, at absolute worst case. It does have that look you described, of a mini 4x12.
@@dustintunget4177 Nice! I definitely wouldn't have a problem spending $200 on it if I was sure it's what I wanted. SUCH a well built cab!
In addition to my Mesa 4X12 I have a 1960B that is loaded with 90's era Mesa V30's. I also learned a trick from Trace at Voodoo Amplification, You wrap a piece of Crafting leather over the end of the center post, and when you screw the back on the cab it creates a tighter fit against the center post and pushes on the front baffle. Tightened the cab up nicely.
For a budget head I would keep an eye on older peavey tube stuff generally. Grabbed a triumph 60 head from GC for $145 the other day. If you can find a normal priced VTM or ultra/xxx just do it. If you're sleuthy you'll find the head for less than $500 and the extra $500 will get you a decent/good cab
Lol you got it right the second try ste-fan. So many people get it wrong I’ve pretty much given up on correcting them. Thanks for answering so many of my questions. I would love to see a couple different tiers of budget rigs. Also and sorry if you’ve already done this, but I’d love to see some videos about dialing in different tones (thrash, death, etc) with different amps. Keep up the good work!
I think $1500 could be a really mean rig. Lots of really great amps in the 800-1100 range and you can get a birch 2x12 cab and speakers for about $450.
Cheap head that sounds great is the B52 AT100 also, more reliable than the burgera from my personal experience
I will Second that Deliverance / Mesa statement! Used to use a Mesa cab with mine and it was FABULOUS!
I remember getting back into playing music I bought a jet city 50w and a line 6 bogner v30 cab I bought both 250 a piece and it killed for a $500 rig
would love to see gut shots and photos of the chassis of the various amps you have come through. It’s a great way to have this gear documented and a cool way to compare build quality
I would like to see separate categories; say a 50w head & 2x12 rig, a 100w head & 4x12 rig, etc. - at whatever price points you decide!
Keep up the great videos!
Loving the channel Kyle. Very happy I stumbled across it.
Love from Australia 🇦🇺
Happy you did too! Thanks for being here!
According to James Brown, particle board construction (Marshall 1960) is the reason cabs "fart out" bass freqs. So he promotes Birch.
Please do new stuff that is budget friendly- 1000, 1500, and 2000. That would be awesome!
Hell yeah! I used to have a Peavey Ultra 60 in the late 90s. Regret selling it. Absolutely agree about the saturation level on the Ultra channel. Sooooo much gain with an amazing tone.
I can vouche as well. Since I own a Ultra 120 teal stripe head.
I’ll always recommend and praise Jet City products. I love my HDM100 and it’s beaten out a ton of other amps I’ve played for more than half the price. Plus Doug and the community around the company is amazing
Hey Kyle love the channel. New sub. Look forward to budget recommendations. Low mid high. New product only would be great as well. Not much of a used market here in Australia. Most of us are home players only. Episode on good tone for home use would be awesome as well. 50w-100w with 4 x 12 not really workable. Hope you get the chance on the Engl 25w amps soon! Keep up the awesome content!!
I agree, I do not care for 1960 cabs. I have had several over the years and they all get sold.
Can't wait to see Jet City 80 vs Ultra 120 and Peavey MS412 vs Carvin 412. Should be a great mixup video. Maybe go have a Jackson JS22 vs a Mitchell MM300 while you're at it. Film it all with the GTA price ticker in the corner...
Maybe do a $500, $750, and a $1000 rig.
Check out the Harley Benton cabs. If you get the vintage version, they come with V30s and the price for the cab and speakers is less than buying just the V30s themselves. Only thing is you have to order from Thomman and wait a few weeks for shipment if you’re in the states.
I absolutely love the ENGL Fireball 100. Can’t wait to hear your thoughts on it!
I’m looking forward to the Marshall cab upgrades vid. 🤘
You mentioned my amp: Engl 100 and my cab: Mesa Rectifier 2x12. Cool!
Under $1000 you can get awn EVH LBX for $500 used, then cabs there’s a load available for about $500 from brands like peavey and evh, especially looking at the used market.
Also guitar center actually has a bundle with the 6505mh and a 212 cab for $900.
I love my Marshall 1960 cabs.........because I got all of them for about $3-400 apiece. The cheap used market price is a huge reason for their popularity. Been debating ripping some of mine apart and changing the speakers out to some WGS green berets and V30s in a cross pattern. For what it's worth the jcm800&900 era cabs seem to be built better than the newer "lead" ones. I will be looking forward to seeing a video from you on experimenting with improving these cabs. I've often heard replacing the back piece with a heavier solid birch piece of plywood helps them out a lot. Cheers
I bought a EVH LBXii for $400 barely used and and brand new 1x12 EVH CAB with anniversary Celestion speaker which ran me $349 for total of $750 and it sounds insane....put a dirty tree and decent gate in front and you are home under $1000
Can't wait for that Fireball 100 demo! love the show!
I gotta agree with you on cabs. The 1960 series is a popular cab no doubt. There are cabs that are built better for less money if we are talking new prices. The 1960a is $1449 now. A Splawn cab which really isn't talked about much is $850 to $1k depending on the speakers you want in it. The build quality on those is stellar. My Crate Blue Voodoo cab is actually really well made also but cheap because it says "CRATE" on it. The best Marshall cab I ever owned was the Mode Four. There is a MF280 (v30) or a MF400 (K100). If you find one of those, GET IT!!
Can confirm an Orange 2x12 sounds fucking killer with Fryette stuff. I have my Pittbull 50CL paired with one and it sounds incredible. That said I swapped the speakers out for a Fane F70 and a Swamp Thang.
Would love to see a video on the mods done to the Mesa Triple Rec...I own one so would be great to see/hear what could be done in moderation
Great video Kyle had not seen this one, when those new Peavy amps ship I will use your affiliate link to boost u channel man 👍 😀
From my experience the burgera amps are great “IF” you get one of the infinium or later models as well as swapping out to some good tubes. Had a 333xl and a 6262 and both were super reliable.
Missed opportunity to mention those Harley Benton cabs for cheap rigs. I have a couple of the 212 cabs with v30's and they are really good for $300 cabs.
They work well with all my amps, they are pretty lightweight, and they are great for recording.
I’m super interested to see that Marshall cab mod man. I just scored a 1960A for real cheap. I was thinking maybe a couple greenbacks or something similar for the top 2 speakers might balance it out. It seems like those things sound monstrous with greenbacks in them. I’m just basing that off of UA-cam vids and IRs though, not personal experience. After seeing this I gotta pop that cab open and check the screws and seal it up. Thanks for the advice!
Great video!
Price tiers:
Amp+Cab+Overdrive
400-600
800-1000
1800-2000
And the plastic handles on the Marshall 4x12 cabs.
Viewers comment video was awesome! Can't wait for the next one. Maybe make those on Thursdays and FAQ'N Friday on Friday.
An idea for more content from you. (heavy breathing)
Last year I snagged an old mesa recto 412 for $500 shipped and a few months later got a used peavy 6505+ for $450. Awesome setup for just under 1000. Still can’t help myself from looking for more amps and cabs to try.
I have a jet city 4x12 loaded with eminence legend speakers and i use it with most of my heads but my jsx 2x12 combo is probably the most searing
I think a Budget, Better & Best model would be awesome. I also think a High/Low would be cool as well. High being the higher tier Amp in it's class and Low being it's cheaper equivalent.
Show people MDF vs Plywood cabinets with budget and moderate cost speakers in the budget rig series
I’d like a budget stereo rig video. Like what heads pair well together, what cabs pair well together, stereo vs mono cabs. It may seem counter-intuitive, but maybe that video would be for the person who already has one amp and cab and wants to expand on their gear.
KSR 4x12 and 2x12 loaded with V30s. Are they similar to Mesa cabs? Was looking to pick one up in the future. 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Hey Kyle, subscriber here. I kindly suggest as a viewer, to use different drives and boosts before the amps during the video to compare. It drives me crazy that you always have that TS9 and you never feature it or cycle through the many drives you have above the amp you feature.
Also, love the tight thrash riffs, but can you play some lead licks and/or single note melodies, so we can here the articulation of the amps.
Keep pushing and growing the channel, and keep up the great work Kyle
Regarding the question about cab pairing to a Deliverence 60, an EVH 412 pairs so well with it.
On the 2x12s: curious what your take on the vertical 2x12s is. I have a Soldano vertical 2x12 and it sounds amazing with most of my heads (SLO 30 and DSL20H are best through it). My application is mostly lunchbox heads as I’ve downsized to mostly 60w and under.
FWIW the Orange 2x12 is good once broken in, but also recommend swapping one V30 for the G12H75 or M65.
Really solid channel dude. Been lurking but definitely subbing. Best of luck!
For budget rigs. $500, 1k, 1.5k. Then mix and match. Also, more on head vs cab then vice versa. That would also go hand in hand with budget effects, since many lower end would probably need em. For instance, Amazon basics OD, behringer od(s), Donner, nux, and so on. Might want to try some eq for effects loop f@#$ery as well. Thomann USA has the Harley benton cabs for low prices with V30s.
Would love to hear more about what you do to your 1960 cabs, I have one and it's my only cab and I love it but it'd be nice to improve it. I got mine for 300 bucks and I'm just a budget punk player but I love a heavy tone and low end is important to me. Thanks for all the killer content :)
You should try a victory compact 2x12. Mine has V30s and it sounds incredible. Also 2hen you do your budget rig shootout the orange solid state stuff is pretty good. I just bought a crush pro 120 and it took some messing with but I can actually get a pretty great sound out of it.
I really like the retro too.
It's kinda the most versatile engl i played.
Tho i run it with fulltone treble booster to tame the woof.
Just like what i did with most marshall
Was only a few months ago when you hit 5000 I remember thinkin damn that was quick lol
I for one would love to hear about the mesa mods. Those 1meg gain pots are maybe the biggest difference in the old rev-F, or is it rev-E and F, I can't remember but I know it makes for a tighter gain response.
Viewers comments was great man, you're always entertaining to chat with.
Q: What is the single most important part of the signal chain for you? I notice that your playing gets a lot better when you enjoy the sound you're playing with. What puts you in that zone? What can always put you in that zone?
Cheers man from Snowland 🤘
I've always wanted a mesa 4x12, but the weight prevented me from ever getting one. I have the 2x12, and of course it sounds great, but it's not the same thing as the 4x12. I did however pony up for a Friedman 4x12. It's not as heavy/bulky as the Mesa, but still not ideal for moving by myself, especially up and down stairs. It sounds amazing, but I've never moved it since the day I got it. So now I feel like I need to get the Friedman 2x12 so I can have a matching cab to my Friedman amp and actually be able to move it by myself.
also, an issue i’ve found with many 2x12’s is the baffle is at a right angle to the rest of the cab. I noticed my favourite 2x12’s in my collection all have a slightly angled baffle. Way less boxy sounding. The same is true for 4x12’s, I actually try and avoid anything with a perfectly straight baffle
I had about 8 Marshall 4x12’s in here recently and agree on the build quality. I actually find it surprising how many different speakers they can come with though; I always assumed the vast majority were T75’s but there are many with G12m25’s, G12H30’s, V30’s, G12C, K100’s. Also if you hunt down older 1960’s they can have G12-65’s, M70, M80, and all the older versions of greenbacks. T75’s are my least favourite, and are probably the most available on the used market. That’s not to say there aren’t a hell of a lot of 1960’s out there with good speakers in though.
The hardware bothers me, particularly the plastic handles that are always broken, but I do find they almost always sound great mic’d up. They got something right with the dimensions and materials and I think a lot of amps are voiced to work with them. So many great cabs are based off those original 1960 designs; IMO sometimes something gets lost when they’re built to a nicer standard so it’s balancing owning a nicer piece of gear vs something that has THE SOUND.
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I'd say $700 is a good price cap for a saucy budget rig. Love to see what Dr. Bullystein comes up with!
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@kylebull I would love to hear a Engl 2x12 with your mezzabarba. I heard those Engl 2x12s are the best!
Of you can find an old Line 6 "bogner" cab they are loaded with V30's. I got one for $200 and my son got one for $125
Kyle I highly recommend you test out the Friedman 212 with a Peavey 6534+. They’re a perfect match in my opinion.
@Kyle Bull .. how about a 3 class 1000$ , 700$ , 450$ rigs.. Also w/peavey Teal series the supreme 160 great head also pretty much all teal series w/super sat
I have owned 3 of the jet city heads they sounded nothing like any of the real soldanos I have had or played and an 3 weren't all broken in the same way. The 6505+ is the best budget amp
I compared the SLO100 back to back with an amp switcher through the same cab and the differences were minimal, especially considering the price tag difference.
Hi Kyle. Happy New Year! Enjoying your content, but in regards to the Bugera amps and their liability issues you mentioned in this video when answering the budget gear question: This things keeps coming to the internet discussions again and again for over a decade now. I mean honestly this story is too old now. Yes, Bugera had their issues back in the day when they introduced themselves in the amp world, but not any more.
I 've owned two of them (333XL-212 and Trirec) and they where both fine when it comes to reliability. The Trirec had a popping sound when changing channels (wasn't too obvious or annoying while playing) and the variable power knob was actually useless! Was good, but personally I never jelled with that amp. For my taste the 333XL-212 combo was much much better to the point that I 'd like to find a good head and purchase it.
For now my Boss Katana MKII head keeps me very happy (although imho I believe that for high gain sounds one needs lot of time tweaking, especially using the software, in order to find a good tone. or grab some patches and tweak those to taste for faster result (?), that's what I did anyhoo).
PS Could you please review the 333XL head and the Katana MKII (I know the latter has been done to death in the UA-cam land)? Thanks and take care.
The engl inferno is the retro with more punch !!!
i know i am late to the party on this one. i have a 1936 vintage Marshall 2x12 you should try out Kyle. we are close enough to have a play date ! hahahaha
I think a budget rig video could include under 300$, 500$, 750$, 1000$ and maybe 1300$? And those could be for new gear and maybe have some recommendations to look for used?
I think 1000 to 1500 , I think it’d be hard to put together a tube rig with a decent cab unless you get into the 20 watt heads with big bottles . Dsl 20 , or a MT 15 and a 2x12 recto cab should be doable and I would think plenty loud around that 1500 mark . I really like the idea with those Friedman 2x12 cabs sounds like they run used in the ballpark of the oversized recto 2x12 new.
Have you ever used or done a video using an attenuator? Also where’s the Orange amp love! Ever used a Rockerverb Mk3 would really like to see an in-depth review on one and how to use it’s built in attenuator for those of us that can’t properly push those high gain amps in our normal playing places. Great channel btw. I don’t hear any funny accent either btw. Everyone knows its wudder not water!
I hope you try the fireball 25 Coz that's my amp and I love it.
Hey Kyle, hope you do a vid on the Peavey Valveking2 I saw you had it up for sale, your thoughts on it versus the Valveking1?
Not sure if you've covered this in a previous FAQ'N Friday or a video of its own, but my question is, have you checked out any of the Harley Benton cabs? I'm curious to see how they stack up in your opinion versus something also loaded with V30s, like a Mesa Cab.
I think at 1k the prs mt15 and a orange 212 is it right there. You get a killer v30 cab, with a amp that’s plenty loud enough and sounds nasty!!!
Looking forward to the Engl stuff.
I would love to see a video about the recto mods. I have a duel rectifier 3 channel (non multiwatt) and there's a couple thinks I'd like to change about it just to make living with it easier.
I wouldnt set a price limit for that type of series. I would set the price for each video instead. Then give 2 possible ways to Achieve the price point. This would gove you more flexiblity to hit different price points for the subscribers.
Example what would you go with. Marshall studio 800, evh 2x12, and a captor x ($2500) or would you get a Splawn quick rod 50 with matching 2x12 ($2500)
I also think a build a rig over time challenge would be interesting. Maybe someone budgets 1000 a year for gear. How would you spread this out over say 3 years or 5 years of gear purchases. Then you could do other price points per year for more videos.
What do you think about the Peavey Valveking VK-100 Mark I and matching cabinet? It's worth it?
Try an Ibanez Thermion 4x12 if you come across one. UK Vintage 30’s and built like a brick shithouse. Each half of the cab is entirely isolated from the other half so it makes it very tight. Lots of bracing and reinforcement inside the cab.
I have 2 Marshall 4x12’s….one is a Jubilee “A”Cab from 87…..then a 2003 one which is a “B” cab…Both have V30’s….I absolutely hate the A cab…..but the B cab sounds great….way more low end…The A cab sounds like a megaphone,beamy,no bass….but the B cab sounds solid….that said,I may seal it and beef up the bracing as you describe….
because of your tweak my tone i am waiting for a harley benton 2x12 horizontal with v30s ... here in europe for the price are a no brainer
New to the channel great content
Try a $500 rig. Thats generally what most starters have too work with. Combo or head and cab. Lots of Cheapo tube and ss/digital options out there. Btw you will be over 7k subs by Dec.1 easy.
Hey Kyle. Have you ever tried the Mark Tremonti combo of a Rectifier and an Uberschall? If so, how do they sound together?
Imo the badlander sounds sooo much better than a dual rec
Any experience with the Carvin x100b or Hughes and Kettner Switchblade 100? The x100b is supposedly comparable to a JCM 800.
Top 3-5 best tube amp rigs under a thousand!
How should I maintain the cleanliness of my amp? Dust is a problem in my garage.
In my book Jürgen Gimpel is the man. I believe he is the CEO and when I contacted Engl for replacement fronts for my Retro Tube, he replied himself and hooked me up. When I messaged them via facebook with a suggestion for their website, again Jürgen Gimpel replied himself. He's got his finger on the pulse. I wouldn't be surprised if Engl and Jürgen made some big waves in the future
ever try one of those genz benz G-flex cabs?
You should try a Hesu cab with Hesu Demon speakers.
Question ❓ Have you tried the Earcandy Buzzbomb 2x12 cab?
I need 2*12 100watt-handling speaker cabinets for 2021, reviewed or tested or buying guide, please!
I’ll be playing a baritone guitar through it. Full range, flat response?
FAQ question… What’s the best guitar choice for punk/hardcore style music? & why?
FAQ question
What type of monitors due you recommend?
I'd like to see rigs priced between 1000 to just under 3000. Have you ever tried the randall kirk hammett 103 or the meat head amp?
Having different price tiers. Like $500 $750, $1000, and $1500.
What's your most memorable moment playing a show over the years? Being around hardcore since I was young, I've seen a lot from a crowd standpoint, but never in a bands view.
Also, have you ever considered looking into building your own cab and seeing where it could go from there. With your knowledge on cabs, and a youtube, maybe you could have business potential as well.
please re visit the peavey ultra 60\120 give us a good play through!
Would love to see an updated video on the Triple Rec. I don’t know if you have answer this before but what do you feel is your biggest mistake so far as a UA-camr?
"i love rectifiers" someone is talking to much with fluff hahahahaha
Thousand bucks? Def a used mesa 2x12. Can find em for $400. Toss a jet city, or a used egnater on there. Used blackstar.
Yes do the mesa mod video love those type of videos
What song is in the background? It’s lovely
Price limit 1500 for 50-100 watt.
If you can find one you should try a Kustom 72 Coupe amp. Its a James Brown design that had its lineage from the Peavey Ultra Series but simplified and with lower gain.
For sure! Both that and the Double Cross are on my list to track down
@@belligerentamateur The double cross is basically my dream amp. My main gigging amp is a carvin v3 but my favorite amp is still my 36 Coupe.