Sandra Tanner Pt 4: On "Anti-Mormonism", Her Beliefs, and Jerald's Passing - Mormon Stories 475
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2014
- In part 4 of a 4 part series, Sandra Tanner discusses her views on being called an "anti-Mormon," her Christian beliefs, her views on the recent candor/openness and future of the LDS church, the passing of her husband (Jerald - Alzheimer's), and shares her final testimony.
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Timecodes:
00:18 Misperceptions about the Tanners
04:28 Term 'anti-mormon'
08:00 Sandra & Jerald's 'tone' and way of working
10:36 Scaring the church to eliminate access to archives
11:32 Criticism of Sandra's beliefs in christianity
12:56 Issues with christianity and Sandra's beliefs
21:47 What do ex-mormons become? Why did you stick around?
25:17 What about other religions?
26:17 Taking care of Jerald and experiences after his death strengthened her belief
29:30 Do people come to you for advice?
31:43 Do people in leadership positions reach out?
34:14 Thoughts about people staying while no longer believing
36:45 The church is making positive changes. What do you think?
39:40 Church reaching out to evangelicals
41:20 Gospel Topics Essays
42:57 Do you feel vindicated?
44:12 Future of the LDS church
48:45 LDS members admitting problems but hanging on to their belief
50:51 Any future subjects of research?
53:09 Thoughts on gay marriage
55:45 Ordained women movement
57:25 Future of the non profit
58:39 Looking back, would you do anything different?
1:00:32 Finances of the non profit
1:03:48 Making her case
1:07:30 Current testimony, talking about Jerald
1:13:45 Golden plates
1:14:34 Conclusion
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Mrs Tanner is wrong on one issue: namely she is not uneducated. I would argue that she is wonderfully self-educated on this important subject.
As she "educated" herself with the help of whomever, whatever inspired her, she at first claimed that writings of Spaulding or E. Smith was what Joseph Smith (who predicted his name would be well-known for good and for evil) plagiarized .
Now on her site she realizes just as I had noticed, if he plagiarized anything it was the Bible.
If she convinces Mormons to doubt what has that gained for Christ? More atheists since many of the young that leave Mormonism become atheists. The Jehovah witnesses have noted this and pointed it out. In a secularizing world, Sandra Tanner has helped some Christ followers to choose the wisdom of the common culture.
The uneducated one is the interviewer. Any one who can interview hundreds of people who have had good reason to leave the Mormon Church and have shown them to be a fraud, and this person (the interviewer, John Dehlin) remains a Mormon points to someone who has a problem with truth and reason.
She did struggle to understand the burden of proof at 24:48. (I suspect she actually understands it just fine, but had to go outside of that understanding when defending her faith, as always inevitably happens).
Sandra Tanner is well informed on the subject of mormonism
@@Lillith1941 I totally disagree. The "Jesus" whom Mormons believe in (that He is a brother to Lucifer); had an earthly father, etc. etc. has NOTHING to do with the Jesus Christ of Christianity and the New Testament. My only problem with the LDS Church is their blasphemous use of the name of Jesus Christ! "After all you can do...." totally blasphemes the fact that Christ shed His blood for our transgressions. He paid the FULL price...for the redemption of many. Mormons believe that they will be exalted to "god level" through WORKS... and this is also blasphemous.
I ran into a copy of Changing World of Mormonism in the basement of a friend in 1997, then called Sandra in tears and went to the ULM. She really helped guide me out of Mormonism in the days when I was just beside myself. I can’t fathom how many people would be in mental and emotional bondage without the Tanner’s work. So grateful.
My husband is one who left and found joy and peace in Jesus Christ alone! His journey began with Shadow or Reality 17 years ago. We love Sandra and Jerald Tanner. Praise God for their work!
Praise be to God for giving many the strength to not be deceived or fall into the Deceiver's snares. Praise God for relating to all of us and giving liberally and upbraiding not. For warning us of the complacency of the proud people of His time. Praise God for having a mansion prepared for each of his children, each one who recognizes Christ and the Spirit he placed in their hearts at birth-they who find joy and lightness in their hearts at the mere mention of the name of the Son. Praise God for giving a place for those who would follow Him and leave others to worship how, when or what they may.
Praise God who will claim His own and works His wonders as the Kingdoms of Lightness and Darkness spread further and further apart in preparation for His second coming.Praise god who called the humble and the meek and wasn't too thrilled with the proud Pharisees.
But we all know the story and how it began and how it ends...
John's leading questions to Sandra seemed a bit harsh but she came out of it very well. She's an articulate, very sane and kindly woman who believes strongly in Biblical Christianity. I say this as an agnostic. A wonderful series of interviews. Bless her heart.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
John did what he had to do to flesh out the double standard. It's called integrity and I'm sure Sandra understood why he was being so firm with her. Love Sandra but we have to be fair and not give her beliefs a pass.
@@sarahd5341 Quiet, Sarah.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 “Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church.”
This woman is nothing special, just an anti-Mormon book hawker. No big deal.
Agreed. Nothing wrong with asking hard questions and getting to the truth but he was definitely twisting the responses she gave at times. She handled herself well though.
I love this woman so much.
I lived in Salt Lake City, Utah for 14 years as a non-Mormon and I understand what she says about Mormons staying with it to stay part of their group, and primarily for social and family reasons. Their intent on converting others is particularly distressing. It is like their ability to gain new Mormons is a sign of their truth. But, it is simply to keep them busy so they will not question anything.
Apologies John, I asked you in the previous video to ask Sandra about her apparent hypocrisy regarding her Christian faith but you did it here...and you really pressed her on it and that's really commendable. She does seem to have a bit of a double standard and a blind spot but she's a legend and I respect her no matter what. And her story about Jerald was really special. Thanks John for having her on. Amazing human.
There is no double standard.
@@hamblinfilms There is. She accepts the historicity of the great flood and the earth being 7,000 years old but needs evidence of the Book of Mormon. Clear double standard.
@@KidFreshie did you not watch the video, from 13:10-13:25 she explains her belief that she is open to old earth and a local flood.
@@hamblinfilms Then she doesn't believe in the bible. Yet another double standard. Thanks for making my point.
@@KidFreshie it always confuses with this whole well why does God do bad thing. Seriously where is your morality from? how can u tell me one thing is wrong when you have no objective morality. We have evidences going all the way back to torah times and the evidences for the unique Christ is overwhelming!!
A wonderful, honest woman. God bless her.
God bless this awesome woman
It was wonderful listening to Sandra Tanner the whole 4 episodes, I learned once that the most desirable virtue is courage, and she is the epitome of that virtue, such a wonderful example 🙌
Never a Mo . This lovely woman is giving voice to my beliefs as a born again Christian.. God bless her.
I watched all 4 parts with rapt attention. Thanks for this series. Good stuff.
Thanks for these videos! Me and my wife just left Mormonism and took our names off! Praise God for people like the Tanners!
dawnswindow2237 you’re telling me that you watched all 4 parts of this interview and you still think the church is true?
@dawnswindow2237
Well, I am an active Mormon and love truth. There are many issues I can't understand, most troubling is Joseph and polygamy.
I still have a strong feeling that the church is the most true on earth, but I tend to believe that Joseph is a fallen prophet. I don't know, though. I am just trying to live the best way I can, I will read the scriptures, and love the truth in the Book of Mormon. I find it extremely uplifting and it brings me closer to my God.
I will try to improve and love God and my neighbor. For the rest I am very interested in getting answers concerning Joseph in the life hereafter.
Anyway I enjoyed your comment. All the best for you!
I think Sandra and Jerald are national treasures. We will have lost a lot when she passes. I hope someone as brave as her picks up the baton.
AMEN, Tracey...
Richard Holmes nope. I am ex Mormon and a Christian
Jeff Durbin cares for Mormons a lot and spreads the truth
Thanks for sharing your life with us. You have such integrity and are clearly dedicated to excellence and caring for others. May your courageous life stand as an example to others.
I love it when Sandra gets all fired up. She's the real deal! Go get em Sandra!
This is easily the best mormon stories episode ever. What an amazing woman. She is truly a caring and loving and honest woman! It's easy to really love this lady! I can't say enough good things about her and how happy I feel seeing and hearing her talk. Love her!
Hands down the Best MSP of all time. Sandra and Jerald Tanner are legends. I have such gratitude for them and for you also Dr. Dehlin.
This lady rules. She might be my favorite guest.
Sandra is such a BEAUTIFUL soul!!! ❤❤❤
Such a wonderful interview. Thank you, Sandra.
What a beautiful and touching testimony Sandra Tanner gives at the end. I watched all four parts and in light of her work and life, hear testimony is all the more validated.
I watched all 4 segments, today. Really excellent.
21:40 "We should go new age, throw all religion out, and just go pet cats."
That sounds excellent to me. :) I'm one of those Mormons turned atheist John was talking about. But I'm so grateful for the work of the Tanners. They were truly ahead of their time in exposing the falsehoods of Mormonism. I can have strong disagreements with Sandra about certain things and still recognize the quality of her work, and what a wonderful, kind person she is. Thanks Sandra for all your work, and thanks John for all these interviews!
Sorry to read that. As I understand Jesus is offering us to be our Savior. I gladly accept his offer and thank him for it with all my heart.
Berry, if you believe in God or not. When standing in front of him you will know, he is.
Why not using the time that is left on this earth to better your eternal state. Sounds clever to me. All the best.
Thank you, Sandra, John for this series. I watched all 4 of them today, and I'm grateful for them. I think Sandra is an intelligent and kind woman, and we are all better off for her life's work. God bless.
I seriously love her. She is so honest and authentic. I am so grateful for all her and her husbands hard work in bringing this truth to light.
What a wonderful woman and a saint. You and your husband dedicated your lives to researching and sharing the truth, even though it made you unpopular. I thoroughly enjoyed hearing your story. Thank you for your service.
Sandra Tanner.....what a beautiful, beautiful person !! What a wonderful work well done !!
Sandra's testimony touched my heart deeply. I thank her for her marvelous vulnerability. Her story is unique and believable and so very important for her to have shared with us.
Excellent series. Very much appreciate the candor, and exposure of the criminal enterprise of LDS.
I've followed the work of the Tanners since the early 1980's and have great fondness and admiration for what they have done! Thank you for these great segments, it is wonderful to see Sandra's heart shining through.
What a lovely lady. Thank you both for another wonderful interview.
Go buy her book Mormonism:Shadow or Reality. I've never read anything so detailed and supported by lds documents, doctrine, and writings.
Christisenough Forme Thank you!!! I will get the boom!
Thank you for mentioning the title of her book again. John's interview with her has made me want to buy a copy.
What a great and courageous woman.
Amen Mrs Tanner, your a great example! Thank you for all you've done!!!❤
This was the next best thing to meeting Kween Sandra in person. What a lovely, well-spoken scholar.
Thank you so much for being interviewed, Sandra. I loved these episodes with you. You have hit on so many things that touched my heart. ♥️
She is brilliant.
I love you, Sandra. Thank you for your courage. Appreciate you so much.
Sandra, your testimony is an Inspiration!
I hope I live long enough to see this church exposed and ended.
If the Lord of all wanted the LDS church ended He could have wiped it out long ago. Instead it is growing worldwide.
Lillith1941 is that what they told you? Cuz they’re lying. Kind of like how there is no paid clergy 🙄
$100 billion tax free says it will go on indefinitely regardless of whether membership
Wants the church or not. But objectively, my concern is what this religion has done to people and society in general. Just look at who they elect in Utah, Idaho and Arizona (Mesa & Gilbert). Certainly not humanitarian Christ like politicians. They resemble fundamentalists elsewhere in the U.S. And look where that has left us in this pandemic year 2020...
The Tanners promote open mindedness and honesty which frees people to make up their own minds rather than simply accepting authority. Traits of good citizenship.
Thank you for the series, John! Some of the questions were "tough" but I don't think that they were out of line.
After watching all 4 parts I have come to the conclusion that this Mrs. Tanner is extremely well spoken, articulate, and amazingly well informed on the subject of Mormons. She is speaking with a PhD on an equal intellectual level, and at times it seems as though she's on a higher level than that of Dr. Dehlin. Her Mormon critics lose even more credibility with their labeling her as un-educated and unprofessional.
John is Sandra-caliber in terms of knowledge and integrity. He's just very good at his job. Go watch Columbo, he too plays down what he knows in order to draw out key information. Expert interviewer.
I love how Sandra worded several things. I'll be watching these shows again.
Thank you so much for these 4 episodes with Sandra!!! I had listened to a couple of her others but I NEEDED what she said here!!! I left the church 4 years ago but my husband is still ward clerk. Thank you, Sandra, for your advise and your strength. And John, I’ve listened to about 30 episodes now and I don’t know what I would do without them to help me along this path.
Thank you Sandra.I have started my journey.No idea where it takes me.I am in Australia.🌹
I watched all four parts. I KNOW God used you for His purpose,Jesus did it all, thank you Sandra Tanner
The story of her husband visiting her after his death was very moving. 😢
Best Mormon Stories ever!!
I love listening to Sandra and her testimony ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Amen Sandra! I’m a former Mormon that became a Christian!
I totally agree with Sandra about the church never being main stream Christian because of their temple rituals. Like christs atonement wasn't enough. Come on!
mariofranco i don’t really care.
Sandra Tanner, you life certainly counts! Great interview, watched all 4 sessions. Sadly I have mormon family, I wish they would wake up, but they will not for many of the reasons she stated, loss of many worldly things... Thanks (and John you need to wake up, you at times sounded like a offended mormon)
I love Sandra Tanner! She holds her own with Dr. John Dehlin.His questioning never ends. I appreciate him though and I have learned a lot from this show.
Wow, what an amazing woman! I listened to all four episodes and enjoyed them immensely. So refreshing to listen to a woman with such critical thinking skills. You're a treasure, Sandra Tanner! Thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
It's not just her thinking skills. It's combined with a lifetime of study of LDS history, Christian theology and apologetics at instant recall presented with passion, grace, compassion, and a mother's love. Christ's character shines through her, all glory to Him. And no wonder she has yet to find a successor.
I absolutely love Sandra Tanner! She is perhaps the best example of courage and standing up for truth that I know of! Also John Dehlin is the man!
At 28:00 where Sandra talks about the After Death Communication when Jerald appeared to her, this is not uncommon. What is sad is that she continues to say that this experience is "not in my theology". If she would open her mind to it, this happens often to many people of different faiths, and even those of no religious beliefs at all. Many Near Death Experiencers have told wonderful stories of their experience of going into the Afterlife and what they learned there about that realm. I do appreciate her sharing that very personal and even sacred experience. Thank you, Sandra.
As I’ve mentioned before, I met her in the early 90s. I went to their bookstore. I met Gerald too, but just for a second. He was wearing a vest and was, if I remember right, getting something ready for a printing press.
Anyway, I bought several books from her that not only helped me leave the church, but a couple cousins, their spouses and children as well.
I was as deep into it as could be. I was also depressed because I am gay. And I brought that up. She pretty much agreed with the Mormon Church that it was contrary to God’s wishes. At the time it was devastating.
So I read her books which opened my eyes about Joseph Smith, Polygamy, The Book of Abraham, Book of Mormon, Mountain Meadows Massacre - pretty much everything touched on in this 4 part interview.
I left it and have never regretted it and never looked back.
But, I consider Fundamentalist Christianity as much a problem in the world today as Mormonism.
I reject the bible as authoritative in pretty much anything. I accept some of it is inspired, but much of it is nonsense.
I would no longer classify myself as Christian. Christianity is based on the atonement. A concept that to me, is entirely unnecessary.
I have come to believe Jesus was a Teacher/Prophet who survived the cross and fled to Kashmir and Tibet and continued teaching there. The true tomb of Christ is in India, a 1950 year old little green building.
There are dozens of documentaries on you tube about Christ’s training with Buddhists between the age of 12, when he disappeared from the bible story, and 33 when he reappeared in Palestine.
The evidence is there that he married, had a son and lived to old age. In Buddhism he is known as Saint Issa.
Anyway, I will never join any church again. But I am a firm believer in reincarnation. I believe Jesus was a trained Buddhist who, while being Jewish rejected the eye for an eye philosophy of that culture, and embraced and taught Buddhist principles such as do turn the other cheek and the Golden rule.
I believe Sandra replaced a belief in one form of cult for another. Fundamentalism, in any religion is bad.
In addition to the books I purchased from her, which helped me out of Mormonism, the National Best seller ‘Rescuing the Bible From Fundamentalism’ did more to help me out of the idea that if Mormonism is false that leaves Christianity for me to fall into.
IMO she is wrong about gays, gay marriage, the purpose of marriage being procreation, non Christians not making it to heaven if they don’t accept Christ…etc.
But I she is honest and open, and threw me a lifeline back then when I was drowning in the cult. And I will always appreciate that.
"I'm for whistleblowers."
Honest ones.
This series was awesome. Mrs. Tanner is amazing. And as an Evangelical Christian, I would give a high five to everything she said in defence of that worldview.
Amazing lady. Thank you ma'am.
Sandra thank you 🙏 I leasing the 4 Mormon and admire you work. Veronica from Honduras.
I am currently deconstructing all this. Convert mom of 9 whose husband passed away a few years ago. The foundation of this church can not stand. I’m so lost. :/. What is the truth, who is God? What does he want from me. my mind is blown as of late. CES letter, and all. My bishop said it was my guilt leading me to want to believe it’s not true. :(. What? Im still stuck with the lies, you can not build truth on a lie. :(.
Look up Adam's Road if you haven't already and listen to all their testimonies on Sacred Groves.
Sincere woman who makes a difference 👌
Thank you thank you thank you to Sandra for all the time, effort, and work you've done. You've gone through so much to let us know the truth. ☀️💕
I thoroughly enjoyed this four part series on Mormonism. I discovered Sandra Tanner about a year ago, and while I did not grow up Mormon and am a Protestant, I have grown in my respect for her this last year. What a valuable individual in the body of Christ and in the Mormon church. I really love her refreshing candid honesty, and her desire to live her life as befits a born-again believer having come out of the cult of Mormonism. I didn’t always appreciate some of the questions, as they felt a little confrontative (?), but felt she did her level best to answer them as best she could. Thank you Sandra, for your service in in the Lord’s Kingdom. I look forward to the day with you when you‘re reunited with your beloved husband. Actually, both your earthly husband and best friend, as well as your heavenly husband and King.
AWESOME! I just left, THANK GOD!
Two will be in the field, one will be left the other taken. The departure of the Liberals was exactly what the LORD knew would happen when he made his recent revelation to the Prophet and his councilors.
A FEW YEARS AGO OUR WARD WAS FULL OF LIBERALS AND WOULD BE MINISTERS FROM THE DIVINITY SCHOOL. WE LOST A GROUP. THIS WEEK i HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A PROJECT AND IT IS ASTONISHING THAT THE LIBERAL HUSBANDS ARE DIVORCED FROM THEIR WIVES WHO SAT WITH US IN SACRAMENT.
The First to flee in the new situation lost his wife even before he graduated from the Divinity School. These poor girls are so amazing and they think that hitching their wagons to Ivy Leaguers and following Elder Holland to Yale is all they need. Today they still have their Obama Biden decals thinking they are saving the world.
What doth it profit a man if he gain an Ivy League Phd. and suffer the loss of his won soul. NOT MUCH. I am so proud of the wise who made it.
+Stephanie Sunderland, the comments from John Lee's nasty comments reflect his ungodly wicked nasty spirit. Don't pay any attention. He is lost. He does as his father the devil commands, and he was a liar from the beginning . john humble yourself and cry out to God for forgiveness repent of lies, theft etc, and ask Jesus to forgive you your sins and come into your life -surrender all. He who holds onto his life shall loose it, he who surrenders his life to Christ shall save it. Ask Him to make you 'born again' read john chapter 3 and take it to heart, seriously!!! Your eternity depends on it. NOT my opinion. your battle is with GOD- (hint: HE wins- ) be kind to one another.
Judging john is not up to anyone . judging is not a christian act at all. Judging and exhorting is demonizing and undermining
@@johnlee1352 I hope you have since repented (had a change of heart and mind) from the nasty, self rightous, anti-Christ attitude you espoused through your many comments posted at various points in this comments forum, and in particular the venomous comment above.
Clearly, by your comment, you, at the time of posting, were a defender of Mormonism, as well as considered yourself a member of that club. If, in that position, you considered yourself a believer and follower of Jesus Christ, your "fruits" evidence complete opposition to that.
I highly recommend you prayerfully read, from cover to cover in chronological order, the New Testament. In so doing seek the edification of the Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost) to open your heart and mind to come to understand the heart and mind and will of the real Jesus Christ, the Lord and Savior of all.
In so doing you will come to recognize the attitude and means you have displayed herein in are far from Him. May God Bless you to find His truth.
@@Jpink-rd5hq nonsense. I just read in the new testament where one is to exhort his brother (other Christians) when in error, and if the matter is not resolved to then take the problem to the leaders. To do this requires that one recognize error (BAD behavior) and then to call it out to the one in error. John Lee is very much ehibiting BAD behavior, a behavior which is displeasing and offensive, and simply: wrong. Not to mention it makes Mormons look like sanctimonious jerks.
I think that Sandra and Jerald Tanner went further with self direct study and making in person connection than they would have of they spent 4 years each in a college classrooms. They really learned critical thinking, and collating information in a meaningful and effective manner.
Sandra Tanner is amazing. She said it all when she stated that Jesus was enough. Jesus should be the central belief in our lives. Jesus is the Word of God among us.
Yes yes yes my wife and I believe in the gospel, the trinity forever!
“Go pet cats” haha haha!!!!! Best Mormon Story I’ve heard yet
I laughed out loud! BTDT
I just love her! ❤
Her last comment brought tears to my eyes 😢
4:33 woah. I forgot that she had said that. I realize context and all that, but holy moly, trigger warning is warranted.
“The grace of Christ is a wonderful thing!” How true that is! The mormon church held me in bondage for half my life. I thank God I have found “joy” - deep joy in Jesus Christ - and His constant presence, the kind there are no words to describe. May I bring glory to Him & please God the rest of my life! 🕊
“Dear God, have mercy on me, a sinner!” -the Word of God
In a way I am happy to read this. It sounds in a way very beautiful. But I don't understand why you had the feeling that the LDS church held you in bondage. I enjoy the Tabernacle Choir, the spiritual talks in conference, the uplift when reading the Book of Mormon, D&C,
love to take the sacrament.
Jesus has shown us that we need to be baptized (water and spirit), so where do you get your baptism from? Yes, there are things that are not understandable about the LDS church. Like Joseph and the women and other issues. I expect to understand these things later on.
But anyway I am very happy to read how you enjoy following Jesus, I do to. All the best!
@@mareike5600 Listen to her about grace again Grace is when you understand that your sins are completely taken care of by the blood of Christ and your motivation for doing good works changes from pressure to be good enough to a present of Thanksgiving back to Him. 1 John 4:19.
@@yidiandianpang
Hi, Fred well, I believe in repentance. Which means to me to turn to God and to let go of everything that hinders my progress and service. It is a process of humility and growth toward God.
I enjoy and love this growth process and know; God has to be just. So not everyone who believes in God will naturally be forgiven.
We need to grow and progress by our on decision, this is my conviction. It is faith and deeds, have a beautiful day!!
@@mareike5600 This is such an important topic! T0 me what you say still sounds performance driven.
The New Testament balance between grace, faith (which to me implies repentance) and works is best expressed in these verses from Ephesians 2: 8For it is by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not from yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance as our way of life.
So we are saved by grace thought faith - the pressure is off, our sin is removed (we are washed in the blood of the lamb in Revelation), Christ's righteousness is credited to our account, we don't need to meet any minimal behavioral standard, we are just declared clean!
But God has works for us to do and so we do them out of love and thanksgiving for him.
I'm trusting Christ's death on the cross ALONE for my salvation. It sounds like you are trusting His death to get started and then a bunch of church and performance related things ("we need to grow") to be good enough for salvation.
Ultimately, performance based justification runs into Jesus' words: Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Which no one can do.
Thanks for wishing me a beautiful day. I pray the same for you today.
God bless you and your husband!
one more thought. I think John was a little harder on her. I think it is for two reasons: one I think he is in general harder on Christians than non-Christians who come out of Mormonism and I also think he was trying to get an emotional response out of her...which he did. As far as homosexuals are concerned I think she is just a product of her age and time. (wow sounds like a Mormon Apologist lol). In the Mormon church we are taught to love the sinner and hate the sin.
When you become a Christian that changes because we are ALL sinners in the sight of God. None of us are deserving of His presence or even a second hand thought, however he came to earth took on a body and died for us. He never said only love certain people. He said to love ALL people. It is his job or responsibility to decide who is deserving of going to Heaven or to Hell. Not us.
I love Sandra!
Extraordinary woman.
Sandra.. Thank you for sharing your story about Jerald.. I felt so close to you at that point... I had an experience with my mom that let me know she was ok and in a better place.. I know it was her..
I know what Sandra is talking about. The missionaries are anxious to get baptisms and they are not going to rock the boat with real information. They want to make the church look wonderful.
+Sara K
Are your ministers and proselytes "anxious to get baptisms?"
Are your Churches please to get "baptisms."
"They" want to OBEY THE LORD and THE COMMANDMENTS.
WE, have refuted the Trinity from the Bible.
WE have refuted female ministries from the Bible.
WE have refuted priestcraft (professional priests) from the Bible.
WE have refute 38,000 separate and distinct Churches from the Bible.
WE have refuted Marianism from the Bible.
WE have refuted the lack of Trinitarian apostles from the Bible.
WE have refuted the lack of Trinitarian prophets from the Bible.
WE have refuted the foundation of all other churches, from the Bible.
You have a theory, with zero proof text.
How well do you "know" the Qu'ran?
How often have you personally read the Qu'ran?
How well do you "know" the Book of Mormon?
How often do you read the Book of Mormon?
Where does your knowledge of the "sins of the Qu'ran and the Book of Mormon come from?
They come from STORIES fed to you in Gainsayer manuals.
They come from LIARS and false accusers.
The Number of times Jesus Christ is mentioned in the following texts.
Old TestamentNew Testament (258)Book of Mormon (76)Doctrine and Covenants (89)Pearl of Great Price (9)
+Sara K
The number of times the Messiah is mentioned in the following scriptures.
Old Testament (2)New TestamentBook of Mormon (27)Doctrine and Covenants (3)Pearl of Great Price (3)
+Sara K
The number of times the Redeemer is mentioned in the scriptures.
SCRIPTURESOld Testament (18)New TestamentBook of Mormon (40)Doctrine and Covenants (23)Pearl of Great Price (1)
@@BobMcDanielRobertson Joseph Smith didn't even use Hebrew words correctly. In fact he made very simple grammar errors. You sound like a broken record of someone who has lived In a bubble.
God Bless You Sandra
Thanks for sharing Sandra! You are amazing.
She did a pretty decent job defending the Bible against attacks from people who want to put it in the same category as the Book of Mormon. It is absurd to compare then. But then there are also positive arguments for the truth of the Bible.
I've finally gotten around to this interview after it's been referenced by a lot of current Mormon stories podcast guests. The Tanner's seem like honest, thoughtful people. And I am also so glad that John's interview style has evolved over the years. Still a great interviewer but so much growth.
She is magnificent!
She has certainly earned her place in the hearts of many by her works.
God be the judge is alright by me..
She is absolutely magnificent. A good spokeswoman.
Thank you.......
I became a Christian like Sandra. I am happy and I am follow Christ.
Love her testimony of Christ and her spiritual path and experience. Loved the story of Jerald coming back to her in a vision after his death.
Can we at least agree on the fact that visions don't occur? Whether or not we're talking about Joseph, or Mohammed, or Sandra Tanner...It can't be that one group or person is right while the rest are wrong, because even though you're 100% convinced your team is right, just remember that your conviction is equally matched by the proselytes of all the others that had "visions." Some of these people are charlatans, others are lunatics or suffering some level of hysteria, or a combination of some/all of these. To think otherwise is sheer arrogance and provincialism. Mrs. Tanner as sincere as I believe her to be is just using her God (i.e. belief system) to explain her lack of verifiable knowledge.
And by the way, calling someone anti-mormon is not akin to calling a black person a n*****-that was cringeworthy.
Joseph Sonners Of course one person can be right and the rest are wrong. Even making that argument presumes you are right while the rest are wrong on the subject.
Joseph Sonners I think it is obvious that visions occur and have been scientifically verified that they do, but maybe not particular visions and do not necessarily show which is based on "reality" nor from whence they came. Remember even Joseph said he had visions that he thought were from God but later learned that they were false and from Satan. A lot of people are down on Black-and-White thinking but one must remember that we live in a binary world (quantum) at the lowest level. The question is at what level is Black and White thinking appropriate and which questions should one ask. One might be "Did God visit Joseph, if so how?" Maybe it is unanswerable, but at least it makes for valid inquiry.
Ah Mrs Tanner is a visionary and believable? Hmmmn. I will not opine-her life, her life to answer for. Have you ever stopped to think of what reason Christ said not to judge or so would be judged? It is the psychological term "projection". What we accuse others of comes from running the facts or visual through our own persona. IOW we are as we judge.
Mrs Tanner used to dominate all Mormon topics on Wikipedia until some people started challenging her version. Is it fair for other churches to write their histoies and then anti-Mormons the Mormon topics/ LOL?
Thank you for sharing the stories.
I went to many denominations after leaving the catholic church in my seeking the one true church. I even got a hold of a Book of Mormons after coming across the Mormon channel on cable television. Had two young men come to my house and they brought their bishop at one point. I discerned through praying that it was not the right path for me and I thanked them for their efforts to convert me. Any church that teaches they are the only true church is not teaching truth. Run!
Ask and you shall receive; seek and you shall find; knock and the door will be open. We are all on this journey of life. My perspective on all religions is that they serve a purpose in our seeking answers to life. I did not feel whole until I came across Louise Hay's message on accepting self unconditionally so that I can receive and give love. She was ministering to people with AIDS. We talk about Jesus dying on the cross for our sins, but we never mention who we are in Christ. We are one. We have the Holy Spirit to teach us all things. The comforter. Thus we have freedom! It is the freedom to seek and we discover that what we are searching for is within us. We must love ourselves (accept ourselves completely as we are) unconditionally. Then we will not judge anyone. As we overcome our fears, we mature into Christ. Perfect love casts out fear. No fear of what's ahead because we know we have God in us. We are never alone. Blessings.
My grandmother came to me after her death, she was wearing her pink sweater, she smiled and nodded at me, I saw her clear as day, I knew then she was in heaven
I just love that woman!
I love love love John's questions in this video. Gaaah, amazing!
What shall we do with all the LDS Temple buildings? As LDS circles the drain, we should have a plan for the disposal and/or repurposing of the Temples. They would make good homeless shelters.
Hahaha. They would make terrible homeless shelters! A hot tub? A locker room? Large sitting room? Theatres? They might make good recreational centers.
@@aligolightly7359 OK - a bath tub, change of clothing area, rehab center, chow hall, job training areas? That's what I was thinking. We could also sell them to the Masons as a ready-made club.
This is my first time seeing this 4 part podcast and I am blessed to listen to Mrs. Tanner and her convictions on her Christ following faith. I too, am a Christian.
I love Sandra and she and her husband's work, and all their years in the trenches have made a difference, and will continue to make a difference in people's lives. She said: "Truth matters. God matters." I also appreciate her sharing the story of her husband coming back to see her after death. She is a hero to me.
Some of the questions asked were absurd...like the one about her income and view of homosexuality. What she and her husband have done for the world and for Jesus Christ is PRICELESS!!!
A true Mormon (even though a Christian now) Hero!!!!!
So if God wanted the Mormons destroyed He could have done it long ago.
In psychology they say their are but two basic emotions. Love and fear. That of love gives us charity or the pure love of Christ in our hearts and joy and upward thoughts. From fear comes hate and anger and pride, jealousy, envy, greed, and all things which lead to murder and other sins.
So when we contend with one another who leads the way back to Him best, what is it we fear?
Thank for documenting this. God is a mystery and we can never know exactly how He works in our lives, we have to have unending faith. God bless America.
Her research is wonderful. She's an inspiration as far as digging for the truth of the LDS church is concerned. And even though I'm exmormon and now agnostic, I am totally alright with her moving to traditional Christianity.
But then she started with the queerphobia, and now I'm absolutely *pissed off*.