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.. Hitler and Stalin and Pol Pot, were Killing innocent souls. Bludgeoned to death... 👈 Hint hint 🤥🦠🍖🔴.... 🙄. Over a frigging 5 minute burger et cetera !!! CuIt🔴foIIowing !!!!! What a world we live in !!!!! Sick !!!! 🔴
.. Me me me.. 😭💦🦠💩🍖🥓🍳... 🔴🐮🐷🐔🐣🐟... Napkin 🧻🤷🏼♂️ ????... Over a frigging burger !!! 5 minute burger et cetera !!!!..🖕🙄.. “I’m scared, I’m going to do what everyone else is doing. Follow the leader. It’s a Cult following..... 😫🦠💩🍖🔴……………………”
@@SauronDarkLordMordor Oh there are plenty, actually. It's just that they're all about as absurd as saying serial killers have their choices and only kill locally.
Funny thing is 2 years ago I was saying the same stuff as these lot and now I hear these weak arguments as a vegan and think oh god that’s cringe That girl annoyed me who said she’s Flexiterian… What the hell is that? Then says it’s hard? It isn’t in UK as plenty of healthy ready meals, or better yet spend less time gawping at social media and TV soaps and learn to cook… Following a step by step recipe isn’t difficult.
@@KaptainKastle I know of what you speak! However, I am so grateful to say this last holiday season was actually a win for me, food-wise. I did all of Thanksgiving and (with a friend) Christmas cooking last Nov/Dec so it'd all be vegan (was all soy-free as well due to my brother's sensitivity to it, he was convinced he needed to make a meat dish for himself because y'know obvs vegans live off of soy) They weren't large gatherings due to covid, but I still cooked for days to make sure it'd be a proper feast and my brother would have tons of leftovers. I now feel like I can only do holidays this way though, because it's worth it if everything - including all the normal / traditional recipes - are vegan and delicious so that people can stop with the excuse of, "I could never be vegan because of this one dish I occasionally eat and therefore will continue to eat animal products three times a day". Still had to deal with some silly nonsense at the dinner table, eg my brother insisting the pumpkin pie tastes slightly different - it didn't, and his no-nonsense German wife was always quick to shut him down. But my goodness it was so nice for just everything to be vegan and delicious, I have no hope for humanity but at least my holiday meals will be fine in future. I am definitely gonna do myself a favor and get some soft cushiony mats, it was the only difficult thing about it all, all the standing! Otherwise I listened to funny podcasts, the latest Earthling Ed vids, and holiday music, so it all was relaxing and festive really.
@@hiking1388 that's great news . If that was my family , they'd find some fault in something..... The wooly jumper you have on is not vegan, the trifle has gelatine, the Nike logo on your trainers is leather ..etc etc .. Sounds like you made a really good effort though ..wish I was invited .
@@KaptainKastle my family's pretty blockheaded but to their credit they are always incredibly grateful to anyone who cooks. My dad and brother have (when I was in high school) gobbled up some 'mistakes' I'd left out (meanwhile they left the good stuff untouched!) and were still full of praise - it was great - but, perhaps, it was not quite as good as usual?? (This happened twice, I was so mortified...) But still, to keep the peace, I planned ahead and (for both meals) had loads of table topics prepared, to keep the conversation light and flowing. And for afters, there were trivia quizzes (with minor prizes) and fun new board games. I've become aware there are so many amazing board games out there, and I wanna try the most popular ones! :) Hopefully next holiday season covid will be much less of a thing and maybe there can be some community vegan holiday stuff organized?? I expect to be in the US again this Nov / Dec, but tell ya what, for next year, if you're in the vicinity of Ireland (where we're supposed to settle down soon, my husband's an ahem brexit refugee ie can't stand the country anymore), you can come over and experience a real American Thanksgiving and/or Christmas dinner! With so much pumpkin pie and cranberry sauce you won't know what to do with it 😂
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Don't be unintelligent. Freedom of choice is already with the assumption that the choices you make are lawful/moral. The discussion can only be progressed when the two parties have established common ground in terms of what is a moral framework. The problem is that Ed Winter's framework is logically flawed. I can explain why Ed's framework is flawed but that would be a lot of writing.
They all listen to Ed's heartwarming story of how he came to have respect for defenceless animals, and the stuff they come out with is like "I'm not a vegan because I like pies". Imagine being that self-obsessed. Great work Ed.
Cognitive dissonance is a very real thing... I just recently came to the conclusion that veganism is the only moral choice (and still struggling to go completely vegan), so I can sympathize with them. In this case they're also on live television with limited time to speak, so everyone just sticks to their planned talking points. Hopefully Ed made some of the viewers give it some serious thought, though.
That’s a great summary right there and it’s immensely frustrating. People who just want to keep stuffing their face and doing whatever, like there’s no greater cause out there. Just keep shoveling meat and cheese and ordering off Amazon and buying slave labor electronics. Life of luxury. The deeper you go down that rabbit hole, a word of warning, it gets very lonely and extremely depressing when you see how few people care about anything other than the next five minutes of their pleasure. And some claim humans are “more evolved” than non-human animals. HA. Yeah that’s why we’re all killing ourselves with greed and destroying everything else in the process, despite having the scientific knowledge to know we’re doing it, and still being unwilling to change.
I think he might actually have pressed a little bit too hard there... As it was mentioned before, the format is limited and it was clear from the start that Ed will not make her change her mind. The job in a situation like that is to present the arguments as strong and clear as possible for the viewers at home and avoid giving people reasons to say that vegans are terrorists.
@@YekaterinaMezhennaya not saying you are wrong. But she did ask him to convince her.. So he tried.. But wasn't allowed the time to follow through. Oh well.. At least he got a tiny bit of stage
Ed: providing strong arguments in favour of living a vegan lifestyle. Non-vegans: "Do you mean you want to make meat illegal??? We are free to choose!!!". No counter-arguments, only a clear need to get defensive. Well done Ed
Its a typical strategy to get defensive and fabricate a personal attack as a victim once people lose all their arguments . Its a way to escape for them.
You blew it out the park Ed. All they could talk about was "they have the right to choose", but none of them could actually explain why eating meat was a better choice. Hopefully well-informed listeners will make the switch thanks to you
They love the UK but not the UK's natural environment, I would say it's shocking how little people care for the environment but considering the state of the world it makes perfect sense. It's just odd and bewildering to hear it on tv, I swear caring about the environment or the pain of animals, it's like having an extra sense, like trying to explain sight to someone born completely blind. Weird to hear a brexiteer try to spin brexit as potentially being better for both farmers and vegans, because like "control" and "choice" but meh whatever, he's gotta defend his stance.
@@hiking1388 Exactly! What exactly are the conservatives conserving anyway? Not our environment, not health, not moral food choices, global food security etc. Ed should've clapped back with "it may be a choice but it's not a good choice". Maybe a bit snappy for his style though
She deflected his Qs like a proper politician. When all you can do to respond to someone is "well I think people should make their own minds up", you know you've got nothing.
Lol, exactly. Cognitive dissonance at its finest. "I agree with everything you said but I'm not going to be vegan because it tastes good." Hopefully Ed planted some seeds and they eventually realize what they're doing is wrong.
“But…. I like pies.” That woman really got Ed there. She likes pies? Oh good lord. And of course everyone laughs because this is the world we live in. They make vegan pies, people. I just had one and it was amazing.
@@GeddyRC THE BUT'S ARE SO REAL AND HURT MY HEART!! It negates EVERYTHING before it. I have eliminated B U T from my vocabulary! Every time I hear it, it feels like my soul is getting scratched.
its true.. absolving themselves of responsibility.. from the damage it causes to the environment, their own health and the animals welfare and lives etc
"I once cooked a vegan roast! (and a turkey)" "I couldn't go vegan because I like pork pies" "I respect vegans but it's too twicky :( " "It's my choice to eat meat and support the animal farming industry" Wow, you really sat through just about everything on the excuses bingo card in one go there lol. Thanks for everything you do, this was a really tough position to be in
They were incredibly rude and dismissive of everything Ed said. They were only defensive and gave their millions of excuses and wouldn’t even touch upon the subject of animal cruelty. This left me so angry at how close minded people are but he really has the perfect responses every time. He was the perfect person for this
@@agentm00se We’re going to see this more and more now, moving forward. The meat eaters are no longer claiming veganism isn’t better for the planet; the honest ones aren’t even saying it’s not more ethical or healthier. They will clutch to this narrative of “we concede all that, but freedom of choice tho”
The fact that she didn't say the whole title of the book when introducing it ("This is vegan propaganda" instead of "This is vegan propaganda - and other lies the meat industry tells you", which obviously changes everything) really set the tone for this interview and showed her ignorance and total lack of care for the topic
Right. I don't know if I would have the kind of courage to do what he did or keep my cool. Especially when they dismissed him so easily to "taste tho". I also think it's funny no one gives a shit about ANY industry that goes under but everyone is so concerned about farmers. No one cared when VHS went to DVD or when DVD when to blu-ray or when Blockbuster went out of business. No one cared about those livelihoods or jobs. But god forbid a farmer does anything else with their life.
@@missdiamar3897 He was very direct and polite, and very clear on his intentions- literally the opposite of passive aggressive. And if you think this is manipulation, I think you need to go look up the definition of the word. You don't manipulate someone into being kind and compassionate. "Yes!! I tricked Miss Diamer into eating beans instead of a tortured animal!! I got her sooo good! She never saw it coming!!" Lmao.
@@Adelicows you clearly don't follow scientific studies proving plants are sentient and self-aware.. 😏😄 He's manipulating, of course, I'm not fooling myself. It's a cult. It's not about being less cruel. Being judgemental and thinking you're better for eating alive and self-aware plants over dead meat that's done with suffering at the slaughter house has nothing to do with being less cruel. I've got nothing against it, you do you. I'm accepting life as God created it, and he created living beings to eat other living beings. Quite smart, considering we live on a globe in the middle of black nothingness of space.. everything is recycled. Cruelty is part of life. 🤷🏻♀️ You either accept it, or live life miserable trying to fight the laws of nature..
She got a bit angry because she couldn't say what she really wanted to -- which was that she didn't give a flying crap about animals. There's just no getting through to those types.
its would've been too self-confronting and then you stay away from saying that. Ed should've said something like "You should really question yourself why you don't want to answer that question". She most probably would've dodged that question but it hopefully would've planted a seed. I sometimes really want to shake these people awake
Notice she said locally grown "food". It's disassociating the identify from victim, very common thing murderers do. They will refer to them as "the child" or "the girl" and not call them by their name.
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I love people and i don't feel sorry for them. I think I am pmsing. i see the love in EVERYONE and right now I am yelling at them through my laptop. freedom of choice!? I mean come on :( :( :( the animals are no less than us, and they don't get to choose. anyhoot, I wanna meditate and get back to loving and feeling sorry for these people.
@@danadaurey24 To be fair though, the animals could not choose to eat pie from that specific business anyway. So their life has no meaning. Only pie has meaning, and only from that specific business.
the ending was the best. when Ed's like "we're allowed to have a conversation" These folks did not give him a conversation. and the other guy with his "people have the right" lol
Ed indeed deserves respect for being calm and collected. But it's not difficult to perceive at least two erroneous claims of veganism: 1) non-human animals are persons, 2) eating meat is murder. Unfortunately, Ed holds this extremist view.
@Danny it is hard to get people to understand that humans ARE animals. So we have no more inherent value in the universe than a chicken. It is reality. Hard to accept, but a fact.
@@MM-mu5pz You write, "Eating animals is morally indefensible and everyone with a brain knows it." Of course, many non-human animals have a brain but don't know that it is morally indefensible to eat animals. You are right to imply, though, that human beings ought to be held to a higher moral standard than irrational animals. But that contradicts the vegan claim that there is no essential difference between human and non-human animals. You write that "humans ARE animals." Yes, they are rational animals. Non-human animals are irrational animals. Our rational nature is precisely what sets us apart from irrational beasts. Since we are capable of abstract intellection, which is not reducible to brain activity, we must be endowed with an immaterial soul. Thus, the value of human beings is incommensurable with the value of non-human animals.
@Danny By assessing distinctive behaviors, we may ascertain distinctive ontological beings: inanimate objects, plants, animals, persons. Rocks aren't plants: they are not endowed with a sentient nature. Plants aren't animals: they do not move themselves. Animals aren't persons: they are not endowed with a rational nature. Nor do they have an inviolable right to life. In fact, they are ordered to human flourishing.
6:44 If you're not eating animal products you'd be replacing with plants instead. That's like saying "If you stop punching humans for entertainment, there will be no fun in life." No, just go do something fun without a victim.
NOT so fast Mr. Jh5578…Would Ed curse a fig tree, causing it to wither and die, for not producing fruit…out of SEASON🤬 ? Jesus DID, (he was hungry) 😩And, can you imagine Ed casting a demon out of a man and into a herd of swine that subsequently stampede over a cliff and DROWN😈 ! Not Earthling Ed…at least not the swine part. I don’t think Ed would do multiplying fish feed either 🤔. Nevertheless, one wonders if Ed’s appearance contributes to his ethical persuasion. Good point that. He mostly challenges people to accept what they believe already and act upon it.
@@jhunt5578 🧐😆 I’m atheist too. But I deconstructed much later than you. It’s amazing how long it took me to simply acknowledge that people write books. I was just messing around, meant no offense. It’s tricky to communicate that with just writing.
Yea, what about his little fake vegan restaurant, you should check out the reality of this man. He's just a shill who works with companies and investors that sell lots of meat
It’s painful hearing the same old arguments against veganism. Ed you handled this brilliantly... I can’t count how many times I eye rolled every time they spoke... well done as always 👍🏼
right?? i watch videos like these so rarely (for mental health reasons lmao), and I had to check the date of this video half-way through, bc, "weak bones", "is veganism even healthy"? am i back in 2015? i thought this was common knowledge by now... one google search and you'll know vegans can thrive on their diet...
please have compassion and understanding for them as well. after all, this could have been most of us if someone didn't take the time and understanding to explain to us what was happening to the animals
@@tvedits3644 These are people who have scratched and clawed their way to the top of Mainstream Media, where it takes a lack of morals to reach. They have an agenda that does not include caring about animals. I consider them a different species of subhuman, with many being psychopaths.
You've clearly never had a conversation with a bigot lmao. Did you know approx half the population is politically right wing? Wake up buddy, you guys make everyone an enemy by ostracizing everyone that doesn't agree with you.
@@jinxterx absolutely, I completely agree with you. we are in this fight together. however, it does appear that compassion and listening to the other side are more effective when wanting to create change through conversation otherwise, you're arguing with people's egos instead of morals.
This is one of the things i keep coming back to in my head - its just a thinly veiled way of denying your moral predisposition to oppression. No one today would say that the abolition of slavery was a great injustice to those enslavers who made a livelihood of it as we now recognise that form of oppression to be wrong. I wonder if in 50-100 years time people will look back on farmers in the same way?
@@jansoltes971 child labour is still happening in about 70 countries. I guarantee you are wearing their suffering. Just another tangible example of vegan hypocrisy especially when vegans consider themselves the arbiters of everything moral. LOL.
Imagine being put on the spot against 4 meat eaters on a TV show where you as the minority doesn't control the flow of the show and are being cut off all the time... Good job, Ed, everyone knows coming on a show like that is not easy!
@@jansojele289 "But it's my choice, and everyone has the right to choose for themselves to be a slave-owner or not." /s These people have literally no idea how to argue in a meaningful way. Nothing but fallacies and bad arguments punctuated by forced references to brexit.
the “are you persuaded?” was such a strange question. of course she isn’t persuaded against something she’s been taught all her life after hearing one argument
Yeah, and while Ed was only starting to make a more whole argument...being cut off after a sentence or two and asking whether she is persuaded... it's just funny.
It's a fairly common type of question I hear in political talk shows when the host is handing the spotlight to a different guest but in this context it comes across as especially ridiculous since obviously you can't deprogram a lifetime of carnism in 30 seconds. Often it's phrased in the negative form, though. "You're not persuaded by this?" Rather clumsily phrased by the host.
On TV too! None of them were ever going to say that they were persuaded. But to say that they're not persuaded allows the viewer the opportunity to also he dismissive of the message
Brilliant Ed. I’m a farmer’s daughter,I saw first hand calves taken away from their mothers a day after birth, the crying for each other till the mother became hoarse and heartbroken. I’m a mother and I weep for all those I had to listen to as a child.
@@tom4412 you are correct. Nobody wants to be reminded that they are making animals suffer (while also destroying the planet and their health in the process), especially when they know that they are willfully causing harm for no reason other than selfishness. In all seriousness, that can be very difficult for some people to accept.
What an absolute load of bullcrap you talk 😂 the only time dairy cows will bellow out is if they are in heat moved to unfamiliar surroundings ie another farm or if they are late being fed or milked, I'm a 4th gen dairy farmer an been around them 40+ years and not one have they "cried" as you put it for there calf, you're just making up yet more propaganda the only thing v/activists-ARA cult are able to do just like braindead Ed does!
@@johns9315 Huh, is that why in numerous interviews with dairy farmers, the dairy farmers always make a point about the window of time that mothers bellow for the calfs when asked about it? All mammals have maternal instincts, especially ones as cognitively complex as cows. I think the only person bullshitting here is the person with the financial motivation to lie and bury the ugly truth.
@@rodionraskolnikov3853 yep, in nature, animals do not care for each other, they care about survival, it just so happens we are Apex predators who are able to eat whatever meat we want.
@@GoonaTVhi Animals aren’t held to the same standards as humans because they can’t rationalize their actions. Animals do plenty of things that are unacceptable for humans to do so I don’t think the appeal to nature works. Some animals eat each other but I doubt you are in favour of cannibalism.
So essentially that argument against veganism was "It's our personal choice to cause unnecessary suffering"... Doesn't take much to see the problem with that. Ed is a legend and handled this amazingly.
the unfortunate part is the "personal choice tho" argument is what will resonate with the largely carnist audience. for anyone who lacks an innate philosophical mindset, they will never ask themselves "what action could not be justified using personal choice?"
Yep, which is why I think he should expand the question. It's not JUST "Is taste worth more than life of an animal?" It's "Is taste worth more than the life of an animal, the health of the planet we live on, and the health of yourself and your loved ones?" Because zoonotic disease is more rampant than people know and that disease is very much a hazard to yourself and your family. It would be ludicrous for someone for willingly and knowingly want to cause that kind of suffering to their spouse and children. (even though I know it does happen.) And that guy who was on about sheep and stuff at the end looks like a walking heart attack or stroke waiting to happen.
They didn't actually make an argument for that, they just made a statement. They have yet to actually provide an argument for why it ought to be a personal choice. An argument meaning a set of premises and a conclusion.
@@Ronald-Chevalier I think you’ll find that in civilisation they are enslaved, kept in large indoor factories, tortured, raped etc before then being killed at a young healthy age. I think I’d prefer to live free in nature to then be eaten alive when I get too weak.
What an angelic patience Ed has. Listening to serval people on the opposite side talking bullshit while simply nodding his head and smiling.. that is most impressive
I love his listening face, he gives them multiple opportunities to speak and proves to the public how Veganism should be considered from a very educated and ethical point of view. I am doing my best too to advise others, got my mate eating vegan sushi and randomly messaged me about it to show me he eat it. (Even though he didn't enjoy it but still!)
Yep an easy cop out, I like to ask them what if Jeffrey Dahmer said that about his choices. If respond with something like humans are not animals (they are) then it's the name the trait argument which is not possible to win.
Not that long ago, everyone (especially in my leftwing town) would be so hateful of anyone driving a Hummer. Yes it's their choice in regard to what car they buy, but they're still selfish pricks because they could choose a car a little better for the environment. But no, merely for their pleasure, they choose to be as destructive as possible. Food is even more necessary than owning a car, and animal agriculture worse for the environment than all forms of transportation combined. It may be their "choice", but we're all going to suffer from so many people making such selfish choices. And this includes ofc themselves suffering, not that they care. I know people who've had massive flood damage (recent flooding caused by climate change), and they'd never go vegan to help out. I just don't understand people.
@@zodd67 At least Jeffrey Dahmer played good host to his victims first before drugging them. You can't say the same for anyone who tortures and abuses animals.
You did a stellar job Ed😊😊. Speaking as a young South African woman who's a vegan in an environment where this is very abnormal, you just reinforced why I became a vegan in the first place.
Your courage is very commendable. I can't even imagine what that is like for you. While nothing like being a vegan in South Africa, I can empathize with you. Small midwest town who's "vegan" restaurant serves half of its menu with meat. Thankfully I can cook!
The lady didn't even try to refute your arguments, she came prepared to say what she said and wasn't ready to hear anything reasonable. What a shock for her!
@Danny when you mean meat eater define a percentage... A person who eats Mc Donalds 3 times a day is a plant based dieter.. as it's 95%-99% plant based.. In order to be a meat based dieter it would have to be 76%+ meat/animal based =animal based dieter... 50/50% is omnivore 76%+ plants, is plant based dieter, typically a junk food dieter or 175-350kg of processed sugar a year dieter... it's hard to claim the standard american dieter is a meat eater when they consume upwards of 350kg of sugar a year( mostly from fizzy drinks and crisps.. ) the SADiet is Corn, wheat, soy and sugar...
I know you just trolling but someone that eats meet is a meet eater. Doesn’t mater if your diet is 0.1% meet or mainly plant based. It’s like saying I only murdered once every other time so I’m not a murderer. Mainly plant based is a good start tho:). The only good argument against a well rounded plant based diet is: I don’t give a f*** about anyone or the environmental impact I have so f*** all of existence, I do me brah.
@@MaskedOG Crop farm animal deaths you pay the farmer to hire hunters to kiII the animals on your behalf , so you can get low prices on your plant sludge crop protection is required for any plant that is grown. not just soy.. (but we know for real that it's actually being grown for humans anyways) i don't know if you have been to the store most the processed plant sludge on store shelf's has SOY in it you're not really vegan, being vegan does not really even exist.... it's only a personal mentaI lIIness you're trying to push onto others.. electricity is not vegan Disneyland(or it's movies ) is not vegan cars are not vegan your computer or cell phone is not vegan mostly everything in your house is not vegan
This was really hard to see and I honestly I'm embarassed by humanity overall. You're a very strong guy Ed. Keep going, we're really proud of the person you are!
Well done Ed. As a 71 year old vegan I don’t have any problems with my health. Maybe instead of eating pies they should educate themselves on how healthy a vegan diet is.
@@andylucas6962 Andy it's ok to say its a big change and you're not sure if you could do it. Honestly as someone who has been a vegan for a year and half trust me it's really easy and I'm just as ignorant as anyone else
Earthling Ed is by far the most affective and intelligent vegan activist! Well done for what you do and keep spreading the word about conscience and mindful eating.
Was that 4 or 5 non vegans, debating 1 vegan...makes for great TV. Ed Winters always handles this situation really well, and articulates the facts calmly and eloquently. Ed always reaffirms that socratic method, empathy and compassion, despite adversity, is always best 👌 🙏
This is the first Earthling Ed video I've watched. I felt really frustrated right up until the end, when 'Nick' started talking about how 'there's nothing wrong' with current agricultural practices. He basically gave Ed an opportunity to actually address the elephant in the room there and, yes, there is a lot wrong with the status quo. Keep doing your thing, brother. I'm on my way to veganism.
@@filipecarvalho853 who in the world can actually force anyone to eat/not eat anything? Has a vegan ever come and taken a morsel from someone's mouth? It's a no brainer point that's repeated over and over again. Everybody agrees that there is choice. But that doesn't mean every choice one makes is necessarily good for the planet/life on Earth. When has having a conversation and education about an issue taken away a choice from someone?? 🙆🏻♀️
@@filipecarvalho853 If someone 'personally chooses' to adopt and torture dogs, purely because of the pleasure they get from hearing them in pain, is this acceptable to you?
@@Vamusika If I prefer to remain blissfully disassociated from the ethics of killing animals then just by you raising the dilemma I’m forced to plug my ears and hum “God Save The Queen” even if I don’t want. Not fair!🤨
wtf, 4 non-vegans against one vegan, and the moderator was against the vegan too? and they were constantly interrupting him. this was just gross propaganda. perfect example of why ed had to write this book
It is stunning how much emphasis the others place on personal choice while the argument was never about whether it should be mandated to be a vegan, but about whether it's a moral imperative. Everyone agree's that it's an individual choice but they keep underlining it to distract the conversation from the moral question
Morals are relative whereas humanitarianism is NOT and shouldn’t be which is why I would 100% agree with the others on the panel about livestock and livelihood. I care more about my own well-being and other human being’s well being because I am also a human being.
@@-rr-4172 sorry but no. humanitarianism is also a moral value, it is no less relative than discussions of the morality of animal consumption. Humanitarianism is the belief in the value of human life, that's a value judgement, a moral statement. Also you misrepresent the question that is relevant, the discussion about veganism is not about whether you care more about your own well-being as opposed to that of animals. It's about whether you care more about your own taste pleasure than about the welfare and lives of animals.
@@jasonfunderberker6955 No humanitarianism is not a 'moral value'. It's completely rational without the need for morals (although very briefly, i just did in my original post). MORAILTY IS RELATIVE therefore eating nothing but grass is a personal choice. No I didn't misrepresent the question, it is entirely relevant. Easy to win a game if you're the one making up the rules.
@@jasonfunderberker6955 Humanitarianism is not a 'moral value'. It's the promotion of human welfare. That's it. I fail to see how that has anything to do with 'morality', you could argue that it is entirely selfish and you would be correct. But i highly doubt you'd lay down your life for an animal you have no connection to.
I wouldn’t say listening to someone refute bad arguments is necessarily grounds to think veganism is better. If you really want to know what’s true, then engage with the best arguments the opposition has to offer. if their responses still seem lacking, then you have a very strong reason to believe that veganism is true.
The types of subhuman psychopaths featured on Mainstream Media don't give a hang about animals and are unable to think logically. They can only be persuaded with huge cash bonuses and spotlights.
I get so distressed thinking about how willfully ignorant people are on this matter and the lack of responsibility they show in their impact on our environment. Thank you for what you do Ed
@@user-dy2ok6km2u enjoy your cancer, heart disease, stroke, hypertension, early death, obesity, etc. etc. While vegans are far healthier than you'll EVER dream of.
“I enjoy vegan food. But I also enjoy pork pies.” “I believe that we should be able to choose.” “What about the livelihoods of animal farmers?” All very fine arguments right there. Ralph in The Simpsons would be proud.
This was so hard to watch, between the discussion for "freedom of choice" of "diet", and attacking the supposed health risks of veganism, and saying "oh, I KNOW vegans, I have vegan friends, but veganism is so hard", and COMPLETELY denying the issue around animal rights- which is the basis of veganism in the first place! URG!
Became vegan overnight thanks to an Earthling Ed talk We had no vegans in my family 2 years ago now we're 2/6 and the little ones are really sensitive to all of that Our world is changing to something wonderful , we just have to keep on believing PS: People used to laugh at vegans in the television , the comments have immensily changed , we're not there yet (having the majority of the people invited being vegan ) but you can see there is alot of respect for our cause . In 5-10 years I truly believe maybe half of the population (in advanced countries ) will be vegan
My misses was vegan to start with then game changes came out, now I’m vegan. Then her mum and dad made the change and her sister and husband, and ther son and out kids are. Never thought I’d do it but love the way I feel being whole plant based! Your right, things are ticking 😊
5 to 10 years and only half the population? No, much sooner than that. Envision how you want the world to be and it will manifest. Don't listen to mainstream's pessimistic statistics.
It's like they are overcompensating by talking ONLY about what they like to eat to avoid tackling the moral choice that Ed emphasized in his intro. It was fascinating.
That's the state of the world. There's a lot of people we never talk about like the perpetrators of violence who oftentimes were themselves violated or traumatized as children. But we don't care about them because they're easy to scapegoat or ignore, isn't it so?
That was so frustrating!! They just ignored what you were saying and are SOOOO defensive! Ugh and the guy at the end, yikes. You’re incredible. I admire you. Thank you for doing your best. 🌱
Ed, they really have no strong argument against you. I loved how you absolute shut down the guy at the end, when he said 'it's been doing fine for centuries'. It's been a disaster that has been getting worse and worse for centuries. They really had no argument. Keep doing what you doing man. You're incredible.
Exactly. People including myself have been criticizing Ed for being too nice to people for in the first years of his online presence but he really had the right little pinch of aggressive drive in this one.
Veganism isn't a "big challenge" for me. What is challenging is finding products without dairy in it, finding restaurants where I can have at least one meal, or trying to have my family understand why I am vegan. Not paying for animal cruelty and death is not challenging.
What worked for me is sit down and watch documentaries with my family. From then on they never questioned our decision to go vegan, including our kids.
it’s incredible how none of them listened to a single thing Ed said? Ed’s the only one engaging in conversation, we’ve seen more intelligent and respectful interactions with the random people Ed has found on the street😂
They all just got defensive like most people brainwashed by tradition, but they still got to say they are okay with it to remain politically correct lol. You can see the anger in their face when asked the tough questions.
Where's the evidence that they didn't listen? Pretty sure they just weren't interested, just like Ed truly isn't interested in hearing non-vegan perspectives if they don't chime enough with his own.
You cannot be living in a "Free Society" at the expense of the freedom of other living beings. Clearly, these people have no moralistic standards. It's the law that is keeping their morals in check. I am always amaze at Ed's ability to debate and communicate clearly with his saint-like patience.
Such a difficult position to find yourself in Ed but well done for keeping your cool and getting your message across. Cognitive dissonance is so difficult to deal with. I'm in my late 60s, vegan for 12 years and feel fitter than I ever did when I ate meat. My only regret is that I didn't transition to veganism sooner
god, this was absolutely painful, i commend you for putting up with that. hearing "that's all well and good, but it's my choice to kill animals" over and over again and not being allowed to continue that "discussion" must be infuriating.
You could tell from their introductions what their biases about vegans and veganism were. For instance, with the "freedom of choice" argument, you could tell that guy from the outset thought vegans are here to take away his choices and force him to change his life. Of course, if you think someone is coming to force you to change your whole life, you'll be more militant against them. You could tell the guy at the end was thrown off when Ed said he wouldn't make consuming animal products illegal if he were in a position of power to do so. They all had their guards up from the get-go.
I'd love to see him have a sit down talk with each of these individuals with no time limit as he does in his other videos and see how they feel after that. Watching Ed has given me a guide on how to respond to every argument against veganism, and I'm forever grateful for that.
Blue suit Brexiteer would definitely crack first. He spent the whole time hiding behind the personal choice argument, only occasionally emerging to agree with his fellow carnists.
Ed, you have made a HUGE difference in the world. You have accomplished great strides and this "interview" shows exactly just how correct you are. You have moved mountains, Ed. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Ed everything you say is eloquent and respectful and you have amazing patience. No one represents the views of vegans as well as you. Please never stop
I'm actually really grateful towards BBC for how respectful they are to veganism. They shrugged off arguments, sure, but we didn't use to be treated equally, so there's definitely progress that shouldn't be taken for granted.
Might sound negative but I think most media platforms will eventually have to start being respectful towards veganism simply because it's exponentially increasing meaning there's much more people to offend now that there was a few years ago from them not being kind.
@@zodd67 that's not negative! That's rightly put. It's sad how the system works but at the end of day, common citizens like me and you amplify the voice and help in making that happen. I'm so glad we are growing :') ❤️🌱
That's because the only argument against veganism that they actually made was "I'm literally too selfish to stop contributing to animal abuse and the destruction of the planet." That's what every single one of them said, using glossy, sugary wording.
"What the hell is a land manager?" Literally my degree.. smh. Despite the close minded people you got the message out there quite well. I'm always impressed when you have these debate opportunities, Ed.
@@TheFlippyNioa I’m guessing you aren’t in the uk. As a land manager doesn’t exist. And an ecologist reports on the relationship between plants, animals and the environment where these plants and animals exist
How is four carnists against one vegan a fair debate? They all wanted this 'debate' to have a particular outcome. I am appalled. Ed is literally a Saint for putting up with this
I’m 17 and even I know how to debunk every single one of the so-called ”arguments” they used in this video, but honestly I’d just get so irritaded at some point, Ed is such a good activist and always appears grounded and calm, I could never😭😭
right? same, I'm 17 and from watching his videos I'm glad I have the perfect retorts to the general arguments but what Ed does is so inspiring and absolutely unique to him :)
Kudos to you for being 17 and vegan, that's amazing. I'm ashamed it took me so long to become vegan (became one in my twenties), but seeing so many young people making this incredibly important choice gives me hope for the future.
Interesting how they mention that they have "their own choice" and "own set of ethics" but refuse to specify that those ethics are to support killing of animals so they can have them on their plate for fifteen minutes.
Choice and ethics is normally synonymous with being ignorant of the facts, as few people ever really give it another thought, and don’t bother educating themselves
Awesome work, Ed! The way they ended the conversation by ‘moving on..’ just when they said ‘we are having an open conversation’ just killed me xD they clearly didn’t have anything else to add, and I will always admire how well your thoughts are put together whenever you answer arguments against veganism.
"You're evil if you eat meat. You're a bad person." Ed didn't say that, but he definitely planted the seed with his story about becoming vegan. Ed stirred the suppressed cognitive dissonance, which most of us start experiencing in childhood. Our parents tell us to be kind to animals and yet put bits and pieces of animals in front of us. It's insane really. Feel for these guys as it is so hard to come out of this harsh conditioning. A lot of people will eventually experience their own "aha" moment as long as we keep planting seeds. With that said, poor preparation by all the participants in the studio. They clearly haven't watched a single video by Ed. And Jenny, fyi the local "food" you eat is fed soybeans grown in what used to be the Amazon rainforest. Also, they kept saying that British people have to make their own choice. I've never seen Ed forcefeed anyone in his interviews 😂 And how can British people make an informative choice when their tax money are being used to subsidize these destructive industries as well as to promote the consumption of the animal ag products? What about false advertising and labels about animal welfare, which amount to nothing given a real investigation? Their whole rebuttal was a collection of random bullsh*t they've seen in mass media over the last few years. They were not even listening to Ed. This type of interview is set up to embarrass the guest, but they've miserably failed here. Cheap media tricks to satisfy the masses choosing the blue pill.
@@jedex4645 I've never met or heard from a vegan who doesn't know or assume that animals are killed in all kinds of ways. Their goal is to reduce animal suffering as much as they can. So that's not the "gotcha" you think it is.
can't imagine how frustrating it must have been to hear them completely miss your point time and time again. fantastic responses though, way to hold them accountable for their cop-out statements lol
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Try think of it this way - Back in the days slavery was considered "normal".. Back in the days you would have stated the same you are stating now, to defend status quo. Civilization is an ever evolving thing, you like many other people are remnants of what was - From my perspective it's only natural to move towards a more moral way of living. Think of it as a gradual change.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 rape and violence is also "biological".. Doesn't mean we have to practise it .. - Slavery was considered "normal" in the sense that nations practised it. The Christian bible condoned it.
Well done Ed. I’ve followed you through my own journey. Been vegan 6 years and can never go back. You came across as a calm and kind compassionate person. You always explain the vegan ethos so beautifully. I am so grateful for you being there to represent vegans. Thank you.
Currently doing veganuary and considering making the leap permanent. I think your argument was put across brilliantly, but unfortunately where people have stereotyped vegans as pushing their views on others for so long, I think this was clouding their judgement. It was very evident that the arguments they had were not well thought through and perhaps they were flustered by the clear evidence that you had. Unfortunately, much like people I’ve spoken to in my life, people have so much bias and are quick to rationalise their diet and lifestyle. They don’t want to hear something that may challenge this, or open their eyes to the fact the morally and environmentally veganism is the only way forward.
I think you're right that people are finding it hard to drop those stereotypes. I actually never thought of it like that. Enjoy your veganuary, and best of luck!
Yes, very well formulated. Hearing stuff like their stupid arguments make me very tired.. people repeat stuff like this to me very often. But it’s still worth it, to be the outsider of the group. I’ve been vegan for almost two years and on a mostly whole food (less processed) and diet it’s great! I can help animals, the climate and my health all at once?! Yes! Why would anyone not want that?! I recommend you to follow Hench Herbivore on UA-cam if you haven’t already! I feel like it’s almost impossible to fail with vegan food if you follow/get inspired by their recipes, very healthy and easy!
Incredible how you kept calm there and delivered focused and reasoned arguments amongst all the (intended) diversions that were being thrown out. Well done Ed.
Not a massive fan of the format, created a massive you vs them dynamic rather than being conversational and friendly. Even so, incredibly clear speaking and good facts as usual Ed, great stuff!
@@ThoseStairsTheFirst I'd agree, is subjective person to person but I do think the health facts and especially sustainability ones are most powerful on why we HAVE to change. Completely unsustainable to keep eating the way people are. The more education resources (video, infographics, articles) to communicate it the better.
Why do these people that talk about "personal choice" so much never suggest that they think harming humans is a personal choice as well, not just harming animals?
"You are right, you make really good arguments, we are wrong, and we're going to continue doing what we are doing either way." The cynicism these people need to cope with the knowledge of what they're doing is brutal. Well done Ed!
I hope you are in no doubt you have the support of many people, but I still want to thank you for everything you do for veganism. Your debating skills are on a different level compared to most I've heard or seen and you are always well informed and very pleasant to listen to. Thank you Ed
I think it’s really nice to see a much less confrontational interview regarding veganism on mainstream tv. Even a few years ago this would have been much more anti vegan than it was, things are definitely going in the right direction x
Ed is a saint to remain so calm, articulate and patient in the face of 5 people with rehashed contradictory non arguments. I don’t know how he does it… 👏
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5 non-vegans vs. 1 vegan and Ed still destroyed all of their arguments. Wonderful work Ed!
the reason is simple: there's not one valid argument against veganism. Not one.
@@SauronDarkLordMordor Oh there are plenty, actually. It's just that they're all about as absurd as saying serial killers have their choices and only kill locally.
Funny thing is 2 years ago I was saying the same stuff as these lot and now I hear these weak arguments as a vegan and think oh god that’s cringe
That girl annoyed me who said she’s Flexiterian… What the hell is that? Then says it’s hard? It isn’t in UK as plenty of healthy ready meals, or better yet spend less time gawping at social media and TV soaps and learn to cook… Following a step by step recipe isn’t difficult.
@RonnyRamirez Exactly, no excuse against Veganism only excuses for why people refuse to be Vegan
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This was a very frustrating environment to be in. Great job Ed.
It's pretty similar to the debates around just about every Christmas dinner where one person happens to be vegan.
@@KaptainKastle I know of what you speak! However, I am so grateful to say this last holiday season was actually a win for me, food-wise. I did all of Thanksgiving and (with a friend) Christmas cooking last Nov/Dec so it'd all be vegan (was all soy-free as well due to my brother's sensitivity to it, he was convinced he needed to make a meat dish for himself because y'know obvs vegans live off of soy)
They weren't large gatherings due to covid, but I still cooked for days to make sure it'd be a proper feast and my brother would have tons of leftovers. I now feel like I can only do holidays this way though, because it's worth it if everything - including all the normal / traditional recipes - are vegan and delicious so that people can stop with the excuse of, "I could never be vegan because of this one dish I occasionally eat and therefore will continue to eat animal products three times a day".
Still had to deal with some silly nonsense at the dinner table, eg my brother insisting the pumpkin pie tastes slightly different - it didn't, and his no-nonsense German wife was always quick to shut him down. But my goodness it was so nice for just everything to be vegan and delicious, I have no hope for humanity but at least my holiday meals will be fine in future.
I am definitely gonna do myself a favor and get some soft cushiony mats, it was the only difficult thing about it all, all the standing! Otherwise I listened to funny podcasts, the latest Earthling Ed vids, and holiday music, so it all was relaxing and festive really.
@@hiking1388 that's great news . If that was my family , they'd find some fault in something..... The wooly jumper you have on is not vegan, the trifle has gelatine, the Nike logo on your trainers is leather ..etc etc ..
Sounds like you made a really good effort though ..wish I was invited .
@@KaptainKastle my family's pretty blockheaded but to their credit they are always incredibly grateful to anyone who cooks. My dad and brother have (when I was in high school) gobbled up some 'mistakes' I'd left out (meanwhile they left the good stuff untouched!) and were still full of praise - it was great - but, perhaps, it was not quite as good as usual?? (This happened twice, I was so mortified...)
But still, to keep the peace, I planned ahead and (for both meals) had loads of table topics prepared, to keep the conversation light and flowing. And for afters, there were trivia quizzes (with minor prizes) and fun new board games. I've become aware there are so many amazing board games out there, and I wanna try the most popular ones! :)
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Gotta love the 'freedom of choice' argument. That could justify literally any immoral act imaginable.
imagine coming to the court for rape or murder and using this argument... 😂
Don't be unintelligent. Freedom of choice is already with the assumption that the choices you make are lawful/moral. The discussion can only be progressed when the two parties have established common ground in terms of what is a moral framework. The problem is that Ed Winter's framework is logically flawed. I can explain why Ed's framework is flawed but that would be a lot of writing.
@@walnoemispoyt5604 it was a joke... and at least I am unintelligent enough to not put moral and lawful together as synonyms
@@daryasavchenko6288 Are you a vegan? If not then I have no interest. Say something that actually adds to the conversation of veganism.
@@walnoemispoyt5604 if you dont mind doing the writing, id be bery interested in hearing your arguments for why his framework is flawed
They all listen to Ed's heartwarming story of how he came to have respect for defenceless animals, and the stuff they come out with is like "I'm not a vegan because I like pies". Imagine being that self-obsessed. Great work Ed.
Another great vegan activist. "There's a great pie shop where I live" as if that's an argument. Plus she can have her damn pies veganized 🙄
Most vegans started that way though. Hard to see his point when the blinders are still fully attached.
Cognitive dissonance is a very real thing... I just recently came to the conclusion that veganism is the only moral choice (and still struggling to go completely vegan), so I can sympathize with them. In this case they're also on live television with limited time to speak, so everyone just sticks to their planned talking points. Hopefully Ed made some of the viewers give it some serious thought, though.
That’s a great summary right there and it’s immensely frustrating. People who just want to keep stuffing their face and doing whatever, like there’s no greater cause out there. Just keep shoveling meat and cheese and ordering off Amazon and buying slave labor electronics. Life of luxury.
The deeper you go down that rabbit hole, a word of warning, it gets very lonely and extremely depressing when you see how few people care about anything other than the next five minutes of their pleasure.
And some claim humans are “more evolved” than non-human animals. HA. Yeah that’s why we’re all killing ourselves with greed and destroying everything else in the process, despite having the scientific knowledge to know we’re doing it, and still being unwilling to change.
Its okay cos its a local pork pie 🙄😂😂😂
“How are those animals killed Jenny? Tell me how they are killed” Definitely put her on the spot and shows how weak her argument was. Well done Ed.
Too bad the format didn't let her really respond.
@@ZenoErwt BBC for you.
I think he might actually have pressed a little bit too hard there... As it was mentioned before, the format is limited and it was clear from the start that Ed will not make her change her mind. The job in a situation like that is to present the arguments as strong and clear as possible for the viewers at home and avoid giving people reasons to say that vegans are terrorists.
she obviously knows it's something that is not ethical otherwise she would have said it with no worries
@@YekaterinaMezhennaya not saying you are wrong. But she did ask him to convince her.. So he tried.. But wasn't allowed the time to follow through. Oh well.. At least he got a tiny bit of stage
Ed: providing strong arguments in favour of living a vegan lifestyle.
Non-vegans: "Do you mean you want to make meat illegal??? We are free to choose!!!".
No counter-arguments, only a clear need to get defensive.
Well done Ed
yeah, i thought that was a sly gotcha question. i'm glad, at least, Ed got the "taste or life" query in there.
Bunch of clowns in a studio
and not calling them out about not having any real arguments …
Its a typical strategy to get defensive and fabricate a personal attack as a victim once people lose all their arguments .
Its a way to escape for them.
Was just about to write this comment
You blew it out the park Ed. All they could talk about was "they have the right to choose", but none of them could actually explain why eating meat was a better choice. Hopefully well-informed listeners will make the switch thanks to you
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Exactly
They love the UK but not the UK's natural environment, I would say it's shocking how little people care for the environment but considering the state of the world it makes perfect sense. It's just odd and bewildering to hear it on tv, I swear caring about the environment or the pain of animals, it's like having an extra sense, like trying to explain sight to someone born completely blind.
Weird to hear a brexiteer try to spin brexit as potentially being better for both farmers and vegans, because like "control" and "choice" but meh whatever, he's gotta defend his stance.
@@hiking1388 Exactly! What exactly are the conservatives conserving anyway? Not our environment, not health, not moral food choices, global food security etc.
Ed should've clapped back with "it may be a choice but it's not a good choice". Maybe a bit snappy for his style though
She deflected his Qs like a proper politician. When all you can do to respond to someone is "well I think people should make their own minds up", you know you've got nothing.
"Vegans may not be heathy" Nick Ferrari sat there like a basitian of heath and wellbeing.
Maybe a plant based diet might reverse his clogged arteries 😄.
Hah. 😁
You have spelt 'bastard' in a very peculiar way.
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"I agree with everything Ed says, but.."
"Look, you're making great arguments, but.."
"It's fantastic that you're educating people, but.."
Lol, exactly. Cognitive dissonance at its finest. "I agree with everything you said but I'm not going to be vegan because it tastes good." Hopefully Ed planted some seeds and they eventually realize what they're doing is wrong.
“But…. I like pies.”
That woman really got Ed there. She likes pies? Oh good lord. And of course everyone laughs because this is the world we live in.
They make vegan pies, people. I just had one and it was amazing.
@@GeddyRC "pies tho," haha that's a new one!
@@GeddyRC THE BUT'S ARE SO REAL AND HURT MY HEART!! It negates EVERYTHING before it. I have eliminated B U T from my vocabulary! Every time I hear it, it feels like my soul is getting scratched.
its true.. absolving themselves of responsibility.. from the damage it causes to the environment, their own health and the animals welfare and lives etc
"I once cooked a vegan roast! (and a turkey)"
"I couldn't go vegan because I like pork pies"
"I respect vegans but it's too twicky :( "
"It's my choice to eat meat and support the animal farming industry"
Wow, you really sat through just about everything on the excuses bingo card in one go there lol. Thanks for everything you do, this was a really tough position to be in
so many incoherent points condensed into ten minutes, with a few sane responses by ed sprinkled in
Someone needs to make bingo cards for this.
Ancestors tho.....lol...even that one thrown in.
You're one of my favorite UA-camrs, and seeing you in the comments section of an EE video has made my day.
hahah i know what a joke, terrible excuses, because there is no justification
Please dont ever stop this message, Ed. Its basic logic, vast amounts of contradiction stand in your way but youre doing an awesome job.
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Is he tho? I mean he convinced me into veganism and out of it. (Well jordan peterson had hand in that) but the point is veganism is now a cult
@@rutherford5619 how is veganism a cult? 😂
@@rutherford5619, so, you ADMIT that you’re an animal-abusing criminal, Mr. Dog-eater? 😬🙄😬
@@rutherford5619 Define 'cult'?
Ed, you’ve ruined consuming animal products for me. Thank you. My vegan journey begins today
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Would you agree if a diet requires supplements that by consequence its deficient?
They were incredibly rude and dismissive of everything Ed said. They were only defensive and gave their millions of excuses and wouldn’t even touch upon the subject of animal cruelty. This left me so angry at how close minded people are but he really has the perfect responses every time. He was the perfect person for this
Every television host is like that 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 I hate it. They should have pit at least one person who likes this planet and wants to do better!
4 people frantically clutching at straws, trying to figure out some way to justify being a completely selfish c**t
Very rude.
They were not rude at all.
@@agentm00se We’re going to see this more and more now, moving forward. The meat eaters are no longer claiming veganism isn’t better for the planet; the honest ones aren’t even saying it’s not more ethical or healthier.
They will clutch to this narrative of “we concede all that, but freedom of choice tho”
The fact that she didn't say the whole title of the book when introducing it ("This is vegan propaganda" instead of "This is vegan propaganda - and other lies the meat industry tells you", which obviously changes everything) really set the tone for this interview and showed her ignorance and total lack of care for the topic
This takes so much courage. I honestly don’t know how you can maintain such a civil conversation with such ignorant and selfish people.
Nice comment. I struggle to keep calm when people refuse to see a victim. History is full of oppressors being fine with the status quo.
Agreed. How did this discussion go from respecting the lives of animals to "mah freedoms, tho?!"
Right. I don't know if I would have the kind of courage to do what he did or keep my cool. Especially when they dismissed him so easily to "taste tho". I also think it's funny no one gives a shit about ANY industry that goes under but everyone is so concerned about farmers. No one cared when VHS went to DVD or when DVD when to blu-ray or when Blockbuster went out of business. No one cared about those livelihoods or jobs. But god forbid a farmer does anything else with their life.
@@WestlyEdell That was really well put (and intersectional)
We all used to be those people. Compassion, empathy, and indisputable facts are the best weapons.
I'm constantly blown away by how good a debater Ed is.
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Not a debater, rather a passive-aggressive manipulator.. 😆
@@missdiamar3897 He was very direct and polite, and very clear on his intentions- literally the opposite of passive aggressive. And if you think this is manipulation, I think you need to go look up the definition of the word. You don't manipulate someone into being kind and compassionate. "Yes!! I tricked Miss Diamer into eating beans instead of a tortured animal!! I got her sooo good! She never saw it coming!!" Lmao.
I'm constantly blown away by his ability to remain calm when speaking to some of the most selfish and stubbornly brainwashed people on earth.
@@Adelicows you clearly don't follow scientific studies proving plants are sentient and self-aware.. 😏😄
He's manipulating, of course, I'm not fooling myself. It's a cult. It's not about being less cruel.
Being judgemental and thinking you're better for eating alive and self-aware plants over dead meat that's done with suffering at the slaughter house has nothing to do with being less cruel.
I've got nothing against it, you do you. I'm accepting life as God created it, and he created living beings to eat other living beings. Quite smart, considering we live on a globe in the middle of black nothingness of space.. everything is recycled. Cruelty is part of life. 🤷🏻♀️ You either accept it, or live life miserable trying to fight the laws of nature..
Sad but not surprised by their behavior. Ed did a good job. It's hard to keep a balance with such audiences.
Holy shit, most of us would burst right there. Ed's composure is something else!
@@ricardosa3509 I was ready to explode at the end for Ed… but wow, he kept so much composure & just said ‘thank you’.. incredible
She couldn’t even bring herself to say what happens. It just shows that your message is hitting. You are such an inspiration!!
She got a bit angry because she couldn't say what she really wanted to -- which was that she didn't give a flying crap about animals. There's just no getting through to those types.
its would've been too self-confronting and then you stay away from saying that. Ed should've said something like "You should really question yourself why you don't want to answer that question". She most probably would've dodged that question but it hopefully would've planted a seed. I sometimes really want to shake these people awake
Notice she said locally grown "food". It's disassociating the identify from victim, very common thing murderers do. They will refer to them as "the child" or "the girl" and not call them by their name.
@@harveyplantharvester1502 Yeah I wish meat eaters were honest. Because I personally dont give a shit about most animals.
I have written 2 vegan songs ua-cam.com/video/rry1QyII9iY/v-deo.html and other songs on my channel. This one is called Time to Change. 🌱🌍💕🐖🐄🐓🍓 It would be amazing if you could give it a listen and comment your thoughts in the comments on my UA-cam videos!
Great job under such difficult circumstances and a limiting format!
He had Such little time to get a point across. Also I’m enjoying your card counting videos !
Yo Steven! I talked to you in the comment section of one of your videos the other day! Are you vegan as well?😁
I can't help but feel a bit sorry for these people. You can see by the way they react that they are feeling threatened by the truth.
I love people and i don't feel sorry for them. I think I am pmsing. i see the love in EVERYONE and right now I am yelling at them through my laptop. freedom of choice!? I mean come on :( :( :( the animals are no less than us, and they don't get to choose. anyhoot, I wanna meditate and get back to loving and feeling sorry for these people.
@@danadaurey24 To be fair though, the animals could not choose to eat pie from that specific business anyway. So their life has no meaning. Only pie has meaning, and only from that specific business.
Seriously! They can’t take that someone younger and smarter is literally trying to educate them 😂
the ending was the best. when Ed's like "we're allowed to have a conversation" These folks did not give him a conversation. and the other guy with his "people have the right" lol
Because deep inside they know they are wrong. That is why they lash out.
A great example of how hard it is to argue against Veganism. Brilliantly calm and collected as always Ed, love what you do. 👍
Ed indeed deserves respect for being calm and collected. But it's not difficult to perceive at least two erroneous claims of veganism: 1) non-human animals are persons, 2) eating meat is murder. Unfortunately, Ed holds this extremist view.
Eating animals is morally indefensible and everyone with a brain knows it.
@Danny it is hard to get people to understand that humans ARE animals. So we have no more inherent value in the universe than a chicken. It is reality. Hard to accept, but a fact.
@@MM-mu5pz You write, "Eating animals is morally indefensible and everyone with a brain knows it." Of course, many non-human animals have a brain but don't know that it is morally indefensible to eat animals. You are right to imply, though, that human beings ought to be held to a higher moral standard than irrational animals. But that contradicts the vegan claim that there is no essential difference between human and non-human animals.
You write that "humans ARE animals." Yes, they are rational animals. Non-human animals are irrational animals. Our rational nature is precisely what sets us apart from irrational beasts. Since we are capable of abstract intellection, which is not reducible to brain activity, we must be endowed with an immaterial soul. Thus, the value of human beings is incommensurable with the value of non-human animals.
@Danny By assessing distinctive behaviors, we may ascertain distinctive ontological beings: inanimate objects, plants, animals, persons. Rocks aren't plants: they are not endowed with a sentient nature. Plants aren't animals: they do not move themselves. Animals aren't persons: they are not endowed with a rational nature. Nor do they have an inviolable right to life. In fact, they are ordered to human flourishing.
6:44 If you're not eating animal products you'd be replacing with plants instead.
That's like saying "If you stop punching humans for entertainment, there will be no fun in life." No, just go do something fun without a victim.
Lmao thats a brilliant comparison
To be fair I do like boxing😂
Ed is the Vegan Jesus not just because of his appearance but he has the patience of a saint.
NOT so fast Mr. Jh5578…Would Ed curse a fig tree, causing it to wither and die, for not producing fruit…out of SEASON🤬 ? Jesus DID, (he was hungry) 😩And, can you imagine Ed casting a demon out of a man and into a herd of swine that subsequently stampede over a cliff and DROWN😈 ! Not Earthling Ed…at least not the swine part. I don’t think Ed would do multiplying fish feed either 🤔. Nevertheless, one wonders if Ed’s appearance contributes to his ethical persuasion. Good point that. He mostly challenges people to accept what they believe already and act upon it.
Yep, he is the second Jesus. The first one taught us to be kind to one another. He is teaching us to be kind to animals.
@@cipherklosenuf9242 I don't mean it literally. I'm an athiest. Went to a Christian schools and saw through that nonsense as a teen.
yeah this guy is really special, no one does the job better
@@jhunt5578 🧐😆 I’m atheist too. But I deconstructed much later than you. It’s amazing how long it took me to simply acknowledge that people write books. I was just messing around, meant no offense.
It’s tricky to communicate that with just writing.
Well done Ed. I love how Nick tried to suck you in at the end with the 'would you restrict meat eating' and you didn't fall for it, great stuff 👍
Yea, what about his little fake vegan restaurant, you should check out the reality of this man. He's just a shill who works with companies and investors that sell lots of meat
@@dogwklr the vegan restaurant is a charity that is used to fund the rescue place they have.
Once animals get the right that they are non-human persons, I would ban eating meat, because it is murdering a person.
Earthling Ed you are an absolute f**king inspiration. Never stop. Never ever. We are here supporting you.
right!!!!!??
I have to sat he changed my life.
It’s painful hearing the same old arguments against veganism. Ed you handled this brilliantly... I can’t count how many times I eye rolled every time they spoke... well done as always 👍🏼
He is brilliant !
those people are junk food plant based dieters almost a vegan
People are such sheep, and afraid to think deeply and be different. It's depressing.
right?? i watch videos like these so rarely (for mental health reasons lmao), and I had to check the date of this video half-way through, bc, "weak bones", "is veganism even healthy"? am i back in 2015? i thought this was common knowledge by now... one google search and you'll know vegans can thrive on their diet...
Battlecry of Bacon always, I’ll fight for my god given right to eat meat, drink ,smoke and get laid ,all I want to disregard for everything else
Difficult to not get angry when dealing with such bigoted and close-minded people. Bought your book today!
please have compassion and understanding for them as well. after all, this could have been most of us if someone didn't take the time and understanding to explain to us what was happening to the animals
@@tvedits3644 True, but we're literally running out of time. Action is needed right now.
@@tvedits3644 These are people who have scratched and clawed their way to the top of Mainstream Media, where it takes a lack of morals to reach. They have an agenda that does not include caring about animals. I consider them a different species of subhuman, with many being psychopaths.
You've clearly never had a conversation with a bigot lmao. Did you know approx half the population is politically right wing? Wake up buddy, you guys make everyone an enemy by ostracizing everyone that doesn't agree with you.
@@jinxterx absolutely, I completely agree with you. we are in this fight together. however, it does appear that compassion and listening to the other side are more effective when wanting to create change through conversation
otherwise, you're arguing with people's egos instead of morals.
"We must think about farmers jobs"
The same thing was said about slave traders jobs
This is one of the things i keep coming back to in my head - its just a thinly veiled way of denying your moral predisposition to oppression. No one today would say that the abolition of slavery was a great injustice to those enslavers who made a livelihood of it as we now recognise that form of oppression to be wrong. I wonder if in 50-100 years time people will look back on farmers in the same way?
Yeah it's stupid. Jobs change as the times change.
Also about child labour in 19th century Europe. They claimed that without child labour economies would collapse.
Imagine having such a weak arguement for veganism that you need to use human slavery as an analogy.
@@jansoltes971 child labour is still happening in about 70 countries. I guarantee you are wearing their suffering. Just another tangible example of vegan hypocrisy especially when vegans consider themselves the arbiters of everything moral. LOL.
Imagine being put on the spot against 4 meat eaters on a TV show where you as the minority doesn't control the flow of the show and are being cut off all the time... Good job, Ed, everyone knows coming on a show like that is not easy!
And being constantly accused of wanting to control other people's way of living for no reason
@@jansojele289 "But it's my choice, and everyone has the right to choose for themselves to be a slave-owner or not." /s
These people have literally no idea how to argue in a meaningful way. Nothing but fallacies and bad arguments punctuated by forced references to brexit.
the “are you persuaded?” was such a strange question. of course she isn’t persuaded against something she’s been taught all her life after hearing one argument
Yeah, and while Ed was only starting to make a more whole argument...being cut off after a sentence or two and asking whether she is persuaded... it's just funny.
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It's a fairly common type of question I hear in political talk shows when the host is handing the spotlight to a different guest but in this context it comes across as especially ridiculous since obviously you can't deprogram a lifetime of carnism in 30 seconds.
Often it's phrased in the negative form, though. "You're not persuaded by this?"
Rather clumsily phrased by the host.
@@komfyrion It could definitely have been worded more thoughtfully and neutrally, such as “what do you think about that?” or “Does he have a point?”
On TV too! None of them were ever going to say that they were persuaded. But to say that they're not persuaded allows the viewer the opportunity to also he dismissive of the message
Brilliant Ed. I’m a farmer’s daughter,I saw first hand calves taken away from their mothers a day after birth, the crying for each other till the mother became hoarse and heartbroken. I’m a mother and I weep for all those I had to listen to as a child.
Bet your popular at family get- togethers 🙄
@@tom4412 you are correct. Nobody wants to be reminded that they are making animals suffer (while also destroying the planet and their health in the process), especially when they know that they are willfully causing harm for no reason other than selfishness. In all seriousness, that can be very difficult for some people to accept.
It’s so rare to hear about people raised within that industry realizing the cognitive dissonance required to continue animal agriculture. You rock!
What an absolute load of bullcrap you talk 😂 the only time dairy cows will bellow out is if they are in heat moved to unfamiliar surroundings ie another farm or if they are late being fed or milked, I'm a 4th gen dairy farmer an been around them 40+ years and not one have they "cried" as you put it for there calf, you're just making up yet more propaganda the only thing v/activists-ARA cult are able to do just like braindead Ed does!
@@johns9315
Huh, is that why in numerous interviews with dairy farmers, the dairy farmers always make a point about the window of time that mothers bellow for the calfs when asked about it? All mammals have maternal instincts, especially ones as cognitively complex as cows. I think the only person bullshitting here is the person with the financial motivation to lie and bury the ugly truth.
It's crazy how educated people just throw all rationality out of the window when it comes to Veganism. The pinnacle of ignorance.
Well, veganism isn’t rational because it's founded on the emotion of empathy.
@@rodionraskolnikov3853 yep, in nature, animals do not care for each other, they care about survival, it just so happens we are Apex predators who are able to eat whatever meat we want.
@@rodionraskolnikov3853 Can I ask you a question? What is a trait that is true of animals, that if true of humans would justify killing them for food?
@@GoonaTVhi Animals aren’t held to the same standards as humans because they can’t rationalize their actions. Animals do plenty of things that are unacceptable for humans to do so I don’t think the appeal to nature works. Some animals eat each other but I doubt you are in favour of cannibalism.
@@joseftollar6213 Animals are killed because they lack humanness in mind as well as form.
So essentially that argument against veganism was "It's our personal choice to cause unnecessary suffering"... Doesn't take much to see the problem with that.
Ed is a legend and handled this amazingly.
the unfortunate part is the "personal choice tho" argument is what will resonate with the largely carnist audience. for anyone who lacks an innate philosophical mindset, they will never ask themselves "what action could not be justified using personal choice?"
Yep, which is why I think he should expand the question. It's not JUST "Is taste worth more than life of an animal?" It's "Is taste worth more than the life of an animal, the health of the planet we live on, and the health of yourself and your loved ones?" Because zoonotic disease is more rampant than people know and that disease is very much a hazard to yourself and your family. It would be ludicrous for someone for willingly and knowingly want to cause that kind of suffering to their spouse and children. (even though I know it does happen.)
And that guy who was on about sheep and stuff at the end looks like a walking heart attack or stroke waiting to happen.
They didn't actually make an argument for that, they just made a statement. They have yet to actually provide an argument for why it ought to be a personal choice. An argument meaning a set of premises and a conclusion.
@@cynicalidealist11 yup, that's a very good point. 👍
@@Ronald-Chevalier I think you’ll find that in civilisation they are enslaved, kept in large indoor factories, tortured, raped etc before then being killed at a young healthy age. I think I’d prefer to live free in nature to then be eaten alive when I get too weak.
What an angelic patience Ed has. Listening to serval people on the opposite side talking bullshit while simply nodding his head and smiling.. that is most impressive
I love his listening face, he gives them multiple opportunities to speak and proves to the public how Veganism should be considered from a very educated and ethical point of view. I am doing my best too to advise others, got my mate eating vegan sushi and randomly messaged me about it to show me he eat it. (Even though he didn't enjoy it but still!)
Wow, what a feat, amazing!
GRINDS MY GEARS when people are like "I absolutely respect your decision to be vegan but we can all make our own choices" it's so dismissive
Live and let live only works if you let live
Yep an easy cop out, I like to ask them what if Jeffrey Dahmer said that about his choices. If respond with something like humans are not animals (they are) then it's the name the trait argument which is not possible to win.
Not that long ago, everyone (especially in my leftwing town) would be so hateful of anyone driving a Hummer. Yes it's their choice in regard to what car they buy, but they're still selfish pricks because they could choose a car a little better for the environment. But no, merely for their pleasure, they choose to be as destructive as possible.
Food is even more necessary than owning a car, and animal agriculture worse for the environment than all forms of transportation combined.
It may be their "choice", but we're all going to suffer from so many people making such selfish choices. And this includes ofc themselves suffering, not that they care. I know people who've had massive flood damage (recent flooding caused by climate change), and they'd never go vegan to help out. I just don't understand people.
Choosing to abuse 😖
@@zodd67 At least Jeffrey Dahmer played good host to his victims first before drugging them. You can't say the same for anyone who tortures and abuses animals.
You did a stellar job Ed😊😊. Speaking as a young South African woman who's a vegan in an environment where this is very abnormal, you just reinforced why I became a vegan in the first place.
Your courage is very commendable. I can't even imagine what that is like for you. While nothing like being a vegan in South Africa, I can empathize with you. Small midwest town who's "vegan" restaurant serves half of its menu with meat. Thankfully I can cook!
Kudos Dini. I'm with you.
More power to you! You are a trailblazer.
The lady didn't even try to refute your arguments, she came prepared to say what she said and wasn't ready to hear anything reasonable. What a shock for her!
he was wearing more make up then her..
to hide vegan deterioration
@Danny LOL eating a raw steak or raw liver, is hard to mess up..
@Danny when you mean meat eater define a percentage... A person who eats Mc Donalds 3 times a day is a plant based dieter.. as it's 95%-99% plant based..
In order to be a meat based dieter it would have to be
76%+ meat/animal based =animal based dieter...
50/50% is omnivore
76%+ plants, is plant based dieter, typically a junk food dieter or 175-350kg of processed sugar a year dieter...
it's hard to claim the standard american dieter is a meat eater when they consume upwards of 350kg of sugar a year( mostly from fizzy drinks and crisps.. )
the SADiet is Corn, wheat, soy and sugar...
I know you just trolling but someone that eats meet is a meet eater. Doesn’t mater if your diet is 0.1% meet or mainly plant based.
It’s like saying I only murdered once every other time so I’m not a murderer.
Mainly plant based is a good start tho:).
The only good argument against a well rounded plant based diet is: I don’t give a f*** about anyone or the environmental impact I have so f*** all of existence, I do me brah.
@@MaskedOG Crop farm animal deaths you pay the farmer to hire hunters to kiII the animals on your behalf , so you can get low prices on your plant sludge
crop protection is required for any plant that is grown. not just soy.. (but we know for real that it's actually being grown for humans anyways)
i don't know if you have been to the store most the processed plant sludge on store shelf's has SOY in it
you're not really vegan, being vegan does not really even exist.... it's only a personal mentaI lIIness you're trying to push onto others..
electricity is not vegan
Disneyland(or it's movies ) is not vegan
cars are not vegan
your computer or cell phone is not vegan
mostly everything in your house is not vegan
This was really hard to see and I honestly I'm embarassed by humanity overall. You're a very strong guy Ed. Keep going, we're really proud of the person you are!
Well done Ed. As a 71 year old vegan I don’t have any problems with my health. Maybe instead of eating pies they should educate themselves on how healthy a vegan diet is.
yeah maybe then those old sods might live to be your age.
Your diet is deficient so no its not healthy
@@andylucas6962 Andy it's ok to say its a big change and you're not sure if you could do it. Honestly as someone who has been a vegan for a year and half trust me it's really easy and I'm just as ignorant as anyone else
@@jamesjohnson2394 I know 100% I can't do it... large amounts of grains and beans would kill my guts.
@@andylucas6962 There are over 80,000 different plant varieties out there. You don’t have to just eat large amounts of grain and rice.
Earthling Ed is by far the most affective and intelligent vegan activist! Well done for what you do and keep spreading the word about conscience and mindful eating.
Check out Cosmic Skeptic
@@pseudohuman2645 Aged like milk lmao
@@Nanashi-sz6wcwhat happened?
great work ed!
Easy work for ed as per.
Thank you
And you yourself are doing great work too, Joey ♥️🙏
@@Matheus-si8vq carai, velho, todo video q eu vou tem um comentário teu
Joey, you and Ed are LEGENDS.
"we've had a very open conversation" she says right after cutting you off. Your patience is incredible, Ed.
Was that 4 or 5 non vegans, debating 1 vegan...makes for great TV. Ed Winters always handles this situation really well, and articulates the facts calmly and eloquently.
Ed always reaffirms that socratic method, empathy and compassion, despite adversity, is always best 👌 🙏
This is the first Earthling Ed video I've watched. I felt really frustrated right up until the end, when 'Nick' started talking about how 'there's nothing wrong' with current agricultural practices. He basically gave Ed an opportunity to actually address the elephant in the room there and, yes, there is a lot wrong with the status quo. Keep doing your thing, brother. I'm on my way to veganism.
How is your journey going?
You’re a fucking boss, Ed. These ppl had nothing to say and so tried cutting you off repeatedly. Complete cognitive dissonance
yeah their only argument was basically choice xD take a shot everytime they say the word choice and you get drunk very fast
What are you talking about? They had the most sound answer; personal choice, freedom of choice and allowing people to choose. Debunked.
@@filipecarvalho853 who in the world can actually force anyone to eat/not eat anything? Has a vegan ever come and taken a morsel from someone's mouth? It's a no brainer point that's repeated over and over again. Everybody agrees that there is choice. But that doesn't mean every choice one makes is necessarily good for the planet/life on Earth. When has having a conversation and education about an issue taken away a choice from someone?? 🙆🏻♀️
@@filipecarvalho853 If someone 'personally chooses' to adopt and torture dogs, purely because of the pleasure they get from hearing them in pain, is this acceptable to you?
@@Vamusika If I prefer to remain blissfully disassociated from the ethics of killing animals then just by you raising the dilemma I’m forced to plug my ears and hum “God Save The Queen” even if I don’t want. Not fair!🤨
It’s funny now that the vegan argument is so strong in fact and logic that meat eaters rarely are ever able to be logically consistent
Literally. Been vegan 20 years and had hundreds of conversations and I hand on heart don't believe there is any logical counter.
wtf, 4 non-vegans against one vegan, and the moderator was against the vegan too? and they were constantly interrupting him. this was just gross propaganda. perfect example of why ed had to write this book
They will get karma.
Wow, poor Ed, my heart breaks everytime he has to talk to more than one non-vegan at a time booohooo :'(
It is stunning how much emphasis the others place on personal choice while the argument was never about whether it should be mandated to be a vegan, but about whether it's a moral imperative. Everyone agree's that it's an individual choice but they keep underlining it to distract the conversation from the moral question
BRILLIANT! AGREED!
Morals are relative whereas humanitarianism is NOT and shouldn’t be which is why I would 100% agree with the others on the panel about livestock and livelihood. I care more about my own well-being and other human being’s well being because I am also a human being.
@@-rr-4172 sorry but no. humanitarianism is also a moral value, it is no less relative than discussions of the morality of animal consumption. Humanitarianism is the belief in the value of human life, that's a value judgement, a moral statement.
Also you misrepresent the question that is relevant, the discussion about veganism is not about whether you care more about your own well-being as opposed to that of animals. It's about whether you care more about your own taste pleasure than about the welfare and lives of animals.
@@jasonfunderberker6955 No humanitarianism is not a 'moral value'. It's completely rational without the need for morals (although very briefly, i just did in my original post). MORAILTY IS RELATIVE therefore eating nothing but grass is a personal choice. No I didn't misrepresent the question, it is entirely relevant. Easy to win a game if you're the one making up the rules.
@@jasonfunderberker6955 Humanitarianism is not a 'moral value'. It's the promotion of human welfare. That's it. I fail to see how that has anything to do with 'morality', you could argue that it is entirely selfish and you would be correct. But i highly doubt you'd lay down your life for an animal you have no connection to.
I'm sure that the most part of viewers that cares for animals and logical thinking must go vegan after listening to you. Thank you Ed!
I wouldn’t say listening to someone refute bad arguments is necessarily grounds to think veganism is better. If you really want to know what’s true, then engage with the best arguments the opposition has to offer. if their responses still seem lacking, then you have a very strong reason to believe that veganism is true.
The types of subhuman psychopaths featured on Mainstream Media don't give a hang about animals and are unable to think logically. They can only be persuaded with huge cash bonuses and spotlights.
People like you are making me consider stopping being vegan.
So many ways of saying “I agree completely with you Ed but I have no intention of changing”. You came across really well, Ed ❤️
I get so distressed thinking about how willfully ignorant people are on this matter and the lack of responsibility they show in their impact on our environment. Thank you for what you do Ed
This is why I'm a misanthropist. Most humans are evil apes.
What does he do but lead kids down a path of illness in the name of the religion of anorexia-vegana
@@robertcohen8554 So spread love, It's the only way to break the chain.
@@user-dy2ok6km2u enjoy your cancer, heart disease, stroke, hypertension, early death, obesity, etc. etc. While vegans are far healthier than you'll EVER dream of.
@@robertcohen8554 enjoy your meditation diet lol
“I enjoy vegan food. But I also enjoy pork pies.”
“I believe that we should be able to choose.”
“What about the livelihoods of animal farmers?”
All very fine arguments right there. Ralph in The Simpsons would be proud.
Not sure I'd give them that much credit.
and vegans are outsmarted by ralph
This was so hard to watch, between the discussion for "freedom of choice" of "diet", and attacking the supposed health risks of veganism, and saying "oh, I KNOW vegans, I have vegan friends, but veganism is so hard", and COMPLETELY denying the issue around animal rights- which is the basis of veganism in the first place! URG!
Became vegan overnight thanks to an Earthling Ed talk
We had no vegans in my family 2 years ago
now we're 2/6 and the little ones are really sensitive to all of that
Our world is changing to something wonderful , we just have to keep on believing
PS: People used to laugh at vegans in the television , the comments have immensily changed , we're not there yet (having the majority of the people invited being vegan ) but you can see there is alot of respect for our cause . In 5-10 years I truly believe maybe half of the population (in advanced countries ) will be vegan
My misses was vegan to start with then game changes came out, now I’m vegan. Then her mum and dad made the change and her sister and husband, and ther son and out kids are. Never thought I’d do it but love the way I feel being whole plant based! Your right, things are ticking 😊
5 to 10 years and only half the population? No, much sooner than that. Envision how you want the world to be and it will manifest. Don't listen to mainstream's pessimistic statistics.
Incredible. It's like they talk about everything except the animals as if they didn't exist.
It's like they are overcompensating by talking ONLY about what they like to eat to avoid tackling the moral choice that Ed emphasized in his intro. It was fascinating.
Part of it come from the name we give it. You don't eat a cow and a hen; you eat beef and chicken. (Well WE don't but you get the point)
That's the state of the world. There's a lot of people we never talk about like the perpetrators of violence who oftentimes were themselves violated or traumatized as children. But we don't care about them because they're easy to scapegoat or ignore, isn't it so?
That was so frustrating!! They just ignored what you were saying and are SOOOO defensive! Ugh and the guy at the end, yikes.
You’re incredible. I admire you. Thank you for doing your best. 🌱
Ed, they really have no strong argument against you. I loved how you absolute shut down the guy at the end, when he said 'it's been doing fine for centuries'. It's been a disaster that has been getting worse and worse for centuries. They really had no argument. Keep doing what you doing man. You're incredible.
Exactly. People including myself have been criticizing Ed for being too nice to people for in the first years of his online presence but he really had the right little pinch of aggressive drive in this one.
Veganism isn't a "big challenge" for me. What is challenging is finding products without dairy in it, finding restaurants where I can have at least one meal, or trying to have my family understand why I am vegan. Not paying for animal cruelty and death is not challenging.
Well said!
Specially in Europe if you find yourself in small cities.
Best comment! 💚💚🙌🏻
True!
What worked for me is sit down and watch documentaries with my family. From then on they never questioned our decision to go vegan, including our kids.
it’s incredible how none of them listened to a single thing Ed said? Ed’s the only one engaging in conversation, we’ve seen more intelligent and respectful interactions with the random people Ed has found on the street😂
They all just got defensive like most people brainwashed by tradition, but they still got to say they are okay with it to remain politically correct lol. You can see the anger in their face when asked the tough questions.
Where's the evidence that they didn't listen? Pretty sure they just weren't interested, just like Ed truly isn't interested in hearing non-vegan perspectives if they don't chime enough with his own.
@@SourceChan I'm sorry but their arguments were pathetic in comparison though so why would Ed listen? Can you come up with anything better?
You cannot be living in a "Free Society" at the expense of the freedom of other living beings. Clearly, these people have no moralistic standards. It's the law that is keeping their morals in check.
I am always amaze at Ed's ability to debate and communicate clearly with his saint-like patience.
This was absolutely insufferable...
All the power to you Ed, for keeping a level head and educating everyone.
"Why can't we let the farmers go out on their tractors, feed the sheep, and take them to market?"
I think you skipped a step there, buddy
Such a difficult position to find yourself in Ed but well done for keeping your cool and getting your message across. Cognitive dissonance is so difficult to deal with. I'm in my late 60s, vegan for 12 years and feel fitter than I ever did when I ate meat. My only regret is that I didn't transition to veganism sooner
you just need the fake spray tan and you would look like trump
I think all vegans make that comment. I know I feel like that too.
@@theantiveganchannel3596 Donald Trump who is an avid meat eater, you mean?
@@radiocorrective McDonald 95-99% plant sludge Vegtard
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago.
The second best time is now.
god, this was absolutely painful, i commend you for putting up with that. hearing "that's all well and good, but it's my choice to kill animals" over and over again and not being allowed to continue that "discussion" must be infuriating.
You could tell from their introductions what their biases about vegans and veganism were. For instance, with the "freedom of choice" argument, you could tell that guy from the outset thought vegans are here to take away his choices and force him to change his life. Of course, if you think someone is coming to force you to change your whole life, you'll be more militant against them. You could tell the guy at the end was thrown off when Ed said he wouldn't make consuming animal products illegal if he were in a position of power to do so.
They all had their guards up from the get-go.
I'd love to see him have a sit down talk with each of these individuals with no time limit as he does in his other videos and see how they feel after that. Watching Ed has given me a guide on how to respond to every argument against veganism, and I'm forever grateful for that.
Exactly my thought. It would be brilliant!
Blue suit Brexiteer would definitely crack first. He spent the whole time hiding behind the personal choice argument, only occasionally emerging to agree with his fellow carnists.
Ed, you have made a HUGE difference in the world. You have accomplished great strides and this "interview" shows exactly just how correct you are. You have moved mountains, Ed. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
No he didn’t
This is unbelievably frustrating and I give Ed all the credit in the world for his patience. It is astonishing.
Right? It's impressive how calm he was!!
Calm and articulate 👏
Ed everything you say is eloquent and respectful and you have amazing patience. No one represents the views of vegans as well as you. Please never stop
I'm actually really grateful towards BBC for how respectful they are to veganism. They shrugged off arguments, sure, but we didn't use to be treated equally, so there's definitely progress that shouldn't be taken for granted.
It is awesome to see them giving veganism a platform, even if they disagree with it at the moment.
@@c0rse True! I literally felt the "DONT LOOK UP" scene in this video. I'm happy they are getting some form of coverage ❤️🌱
Might sound negative but I think most media platforms will eventually have to start being respectful towards veganism simply because it's exponentially increasing meaning there's much more people to offend now that there was a few years ago from them not being kind.
@@zodd67 that's not negative! That's rightly put. It's sad how the system works but at the end of day, common citizens like me and you amplify the voice and help in making that happen. I'm so glad we are growing :') ❤️🌱
Excellent points, very well made, Ed. There wasn’t a single convincing argument against veganism.
Because there isn’t one Barbara! 😉
That's because the only argument against veganism that they actually made was "I'm literally too selfish to stop contributing to animal abuse and the destruction of the planet." That's what every single one of them said, using glossy, sugary wording.
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"What the hell is a land manager?" Literally my degree.. smh. Despite the close minded people you got the message out there quite well. I'm always impressed when you have these debate opportunities, Ed.
Your a land manager?
"What the hell is a land manager?" basically my guy said 'my incredulity is my argument'
@@tom4412 No, the degree I'm working towards is required to become a land manager. Sometimes they're called ecologists.
@@TheFlippyNioa I’m guessing you aren’t in the uk.
As a land manager doesn’t exist.
And an ecologist reports on the relationship between plants, animals and the environment where these plants and animals exist
How is four carnists against one vegan a fair debate? They all wanted this 'debate' to have a particular outcome. I am appalled. Ed is literally a Saint for putting up with this
They’re great at trying to avoid the questions 🙄. You’re a star Ed and handled this brilliantly 👏🏼🌱💗
I’m 17 and even I know how to debunk every single one of the so-called ”arguments” they used in this video, but honestly I’d just get so irritaded at some point, Ed is such a good activist and always appears grounded and calm, I could never😭😭
right? same, I'm 17 and from watching his videos I'm glad I have the perfect retorts to the general arguments but what Ed does is so inspiring and absolutely unique to him :)
😂 must be frustrating for Ed to hear such bad arguments and not be given the airtime to respond.
Kudos to you for being 17 and vegan, that's amazing. I'm ashamed it took me so long to become vegan (became one in my twenties), but seeing so many young people making this incredibly important choice gives me hope for the future.
Also - notice how it’s 5 carnist voices vs 1 vegan voice… and the BBC pride themselves on balance 😂
@@ItsJordaninnit He debunked them all tho.
Interesting how they mention that they have "their own choice" and "own set of ethics" but refuse to specify that those ethics are to support killing of animals so they can have them on their plate for fifteen minutes.
Choice and ethics is normally synonymous with being ignorant of the facts, as few people ever really give it another thought, and don’t bother educating themselves
Awesome work, Ed! The way they ended the conversation by ‘moving on..’ just when they said ‘we are having an open conversation’ just killed me xD they clearly didn’t have anything else to add, and I will always admire how well your thoughts are put together whenever you answer arguments against veganism.
Wish I could stay at calm and collected in confrontation. You're an inspiration.
Amazing work Ed, as always
That's so true! I could only do so much of talking to them.
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"You're evil if you eat meat. You're a bad person." Ed didn't say that, but he definitely planted the seed with his story about becoming vegan. Ed stirred the suppressed cognitive dissonance, which most of us start experiencing in childhood. Our parents tell us to be kind to animals and yet put bits and pieces of animals in front of us. It's insane really. Feel for these guys as it is so hard to come out of this harsh conditioning. A lot of people will eventually experience their own "aha" moment as long as we keep planting seeds. With that said, poor preparation by all the participants in the studio. They clearly haven't watched a single video by Ed. And Jenny, fyi the local "food" you eat is fed soybeans grown in what used to be the Amazon rainforest. Also, they kept saying that British people have to make their own choice. I've never seen Ed forcefeed anyone in his interviews 😂 And how can British people make an informative choice when their tax money are being used to subsidize these destructive industries as well as to promote the consumption of the animal ag products? What about false advertising and labels about animal welfare, which amount to nothing given a real investigation? Their whole rebuttal was a collection of random bullsh*t they've seen in mass media over the last few years. They were not even listening to Ed. This type of interview is set up to embarrass the guest, but they've miserably failed here. Cheap media tricks to satisfy the masses choosing the blue pill.
Spot on
#dontlookup-howyourfoodismade :D
Yes exactly! It was frustrating as hell to watch, but Ed was flawless.
all modern tech is cruel to animals
yet you post youtube comments and claim to be vegan
talk about cognitive dissonance more though
@@jedex4645 I've never met or heard from a vegan who doesn't know or assume that animals are killed in all kinds of ways. Their goal is to reduce animal suffering as much as they can. So that's not the "gotcha" you think it is.
can't imagine how frustrating it must have been to hear them completely miss your point time and time again. fantastic responses though, way to hold them accountable for their cop-out statements lol
Yeah exactly.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 It often comes down to your level of IQ and level of empathy - Some people simply don't get it.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Try think of it this way - Back in the days slavery was considered "normal".. Back in the days you would have stated the same you are stating now, to defend status quo.
Civilization is an ever evolving thing, you like many other people are remnants of what was - From my perspective it's only natural to move towards a more moral way of living. Think of it as a gradual change.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 rape and violence is also "biological".. Doesn't mean we have to practise it .. - Slavery was considered "normal" in the sense that nations practised it. The Christian bible condoned it.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 Stop being silly - You are prime example of Dunning Kruger...
Well done Ed. I’ve followed you through my own journey. Been vegan 6 years and can never go back. You came across as a calm and kind compassionate person. You always explain the vegan ethos so beautifully. I am so grateful for you being there to represent vegans. Thank you.
Currently doing veganuary and considering making the leap permanent. I think your argument was put across brilliantly, but unfortunately where people have stereotyped vegans as pushing their views on others for so long, I think this was clouding their judgement. It was very evident that the arguments they had were not well thought through and perhaps they were flustered by the clear evidence that you had. Unfortunately, much like people I’ve spoken to in my life, people have so much bias and are quick to rationalise their diet and lifestyle. They don’t want to hear something that may challenge this, or open their eyes to the fact the morally and environmentally veganism is the only way forward.
I been vegan for about 14 months. It's really super easy I'd say! Go for it Jasmine! :)
I think you're right that people are finding it hard to drop those stereotypes. I actually never thought of it like that. Enjoy your veganuary, and best of luck!
As a fellow Jasmine, I’ve been vegan for about 6 months now and can say it’s 100% one of the best decisions I’ve ever made. You can do it!
Respect Jasmine! Thanks for keeping an open mind! It's hard at times when you take a step away from something you've probably done your whole life.
Yes, very well formulated. Hearing stuff like their stupid arguments make me very tired.. people repeat stuff like this to me very often. But it’s still worth it, to be the outsider of the group. I’ve been vegan for almost two years and on a mostly whole food (less processed) and diet it’s great! I can help animals, the climate and my health all at once?! Yes! Why would anyone not want that?! I recommend you to follow Hench Herbivore on UA-cam if you haven’t already! I feel like it’s almost impossible to fail with vegan food if you follow/get inspired by their recipes, very healthy and easy!
Incredible how you kept calm there and delivered focused and reasoned arguments amongst all the (intended) diversions that were being thrown out. Well done Ed.
Like "poor farmers". There won't be arable land left for farmers to farm if we keep it up. So, yeah, poor farmers.
Keep it up Ed👍🏽
People can put forward any arguments they like, it won't change the fact that the world is going vegan day by day.
It's like watching a sane person talk to patients in a psychiatric hospital. Great job, Ed!
This comment is underrated a.f. 9 likes in one year? Let me fix that.
"It's easy when you're educated." Absolute BOSS.
Not a massive fan of the format, created a massive you vs them dynamic rather than being conversational and friendly. Even so, incredibly clear speaking and good facts as usual Ed, great stuff!
That's unfortunately inevitable when you focus on animals more than public health and sustainability.
@@ThoseStairsTheFirst I'd agree, is subjective person to person but I do think the health facts and especially sustainability ones are most powerful on why we HAVE to change. Completely unsustainable to keep eating the way people are. The more education resources (video, infographics, articles) to communicate it the better.
Typical BBC I'm afraid. All western media is like this
When their 'arguments' dried up, the interview stopped. Great representation Ed. Blessings and Love to you.
Why do these people that talk about "personal choice" so much never suggest that they think harming humans is a personal choice as well, not just harming animals?
Really admire your patience here Ed. They were all shouting excuses over one another and you kept your cool, really inspiring!
I would have exploded xD
@@Cefaloki I know right. Same!
"You are right, you make really good arguments, we are wrong, and we're going to continue doing what we are doing either way." The cynicism these people need to cope with the knowledge of what they're doing is brutal. Well done Ed!
thats literally all they said. this was INFURIATING. i dont think ed finished a single fkn sentence during this whole interview!
Like that clownish woman, "I wont go vegan because i like a pie shop hurdur!"
I hope you are in no doubt you have the support of many people, but I still want to thank you for everything you do for veganism. Your debating skills are on a different level compared to most I've heard or seen and you are always well informed and very pleasant to listen to. Thank you Ed
Ed you’re incredible. Thank you for advocating for the animals and the environment!
The patience this guy has is astonishing on so many levels. Love you, Ed! More power to you, king
You did a fantastic job here Ed. I hope we’ll see more appearances like this from you and other activists.
I aspire to be this calm and objective when discussing veganism. Ed is a wonderful role model!
Me too I usually lose my shit after ignorant comment #2
I think it’s really nice to see a much less confrontational interview regarding veganism on mainstream tv. Even a few years ago this would have been much more anti vegan than it was, things are definitely going in the right direction x
People get so defensive when they are in the wrong, Good job Ed you do vegans proud 💚👍
Exactly. It's so uncomfortable to watch them squirm around.
you can see their body language that they are extremely uncomfortable given all these valid points by Ed
I get so hopeless with people like these... Thank you Ed for everything 💚
Just be vegan for another 10 years and you get used to it lol
me too! i am like yelling at my laptop, and wamt to cry. Ed is BRILLIANT!~
Ed is a saint to remain so calm, articulate and patient in the face of 5 people with rehashed contradictory non arguments. I don’t know how he does it… 👏