Speaking of Cheetahs, spent the last 3 days taking the 20" spring fat tire forks off my Mars & installing 26" ZTZ Cheetahs air forks with 120mm travel & 20 click rebound adjustment. No steering tube cuts with a 7" WAKE riser & 9.5" rise Gull Wing bars. What a difference & out of the box it only traveled 30mm on a ride that took everything in stride. Well worth it all me thinks.
Nice Steve!! That sounds like a good setup! Air fork sounds nice, i used to have one, un till i broke it with my front motor 😱🫠 😅 I’ve always liked the bars on my e-bikes to be fairly tall as well. I usually get a bmx bars with rise, and a bmx stem. The MTB in this video is my only bike where i have lower bars. It works for going faster on this large sized mtb that fits me well, but in my other bikes i don’t like leaning forward so much. I bet your gull wings 🪽 are comfortable. I bet you are cruising now buddy!!
Night Crawler 😮 It's winter here Bro Bit chilly for night riding,ATM Except when I go too work 😊 I've got 29 inch Tires too ,I was gonna go the Hookies, But I thought I would try the Swabble big ben plus,E bike 🚳 tiers , There 😎 too
I like schwalbe tires also probably my favorite brand!! are you in australia?? what the heck winter??? thats crazy mate. But Yeah. Schwalbe are good, I have some Johnny Watts 365 that I really like. Schwable have the best rubber for icy winter roads!! Not that australian winter Im talking icy snowy winter !! Their tires work really well in slippery icy cold conditions. When rubber gets cold it gets all slippery and most tires totally suck, but not the schwalbe 365 stuff !!
@@EBikeBuilder_ yeah but I'm in the Mountains Bro Snow's a few times a and gets chilly up here But all good, Yeah I like them so far seem too have good grip in all conditions, I ride on dirt 🔥 Trails too and they seem too handle that Ok The hookies I had before were worn out, I lost the front end on some wet grass 😂 So yeah needed more grip first time I've tried the Swabbles Thanks for the Info Brother Take care
Question please EBB'er, As you teach up about possible different motor/controller/battery configurations...and nice vid btw... Question is.. as an owner of 2 BBSHD bikes, one a roadbike with skinny tires and another a 29'er with smoothies, both with large capacity 52v batteries and each with stock controller, which bike do you prefer for the type of riding you were doing with little pedaling?...this 75V aftermarket controller mid-drive BBSHD with single cog in back which really precludes having much useful pedaling bandwidth at a narrow speed range...or...your rear hub and/or dual hub drive bike with functional rear derailleur also with big battery and aftermarket controller where your pedaling is a bit more relevant? Presumably, power and speed aren't much different between the two. Curious as you are a man who owns both configurations You seem to be pretty happy on your BBSHD single speed for high speed cruising. Thanks. PS. Do you get decent range riding your BBSHD bike at 35-40mph....or does the battery lose charge pretty quickly?
if my dual hub bike had 2 phaserunners on it then it might stand a chance, But that 75V bbshd is absolutely insane Man I dont really ride it crazy hard. But like that little jump on the sidewalk was nothing, I could flip that bike in a loop. If you put the BBSHD into the grin motor simulator on 72V it says something like 265nm torque. Its better than my dual hub bike even with 2 phase runners probably. Each of the hub motors is only like 110 nm torque or something and its a much heavier bike. Lol i went on a crazy Ride today with the 75v bbshd down some gnarly trails not meant for bikes, U will see, The fat bike would nEVER make it. the bbshd on a mountain bike just kills everything. there is no point in anything else. except maybe for regen and fucking around cruising but really as each day goes on the fat tires become more and more dumb on ebikes. The only reason SO many ebikes have fat tires is because the bafang hub motors are made for fat bike wheels, and the non-fat bike ones suck. On my 75V BBSHD i can pedal up to about 9MPH with it geared like i have it. So just really low end climbing gearing. Thts all i need its the only time I ever pedal. So for crusing WITHOUT pedaling and throttle only yeah high voltage is just faster and better. If you arent trying to go fast then not as much need for a higher voltage. But there is a clear advantage in higher voltage / lower current. IN terms of heat. Higher voltage runs faster and smoother so its like why would i not want that. Im not sure if higher voltage making the motor want to run faster, would make it overheat more at lower speeds, and in that case would be less desirable, i wwould have to ask chat gpt about that. But maybe it makes sense to just use a lower voltage at lower speeds , like most emtbs do, they dont need to spin the motor crazy fast its more about torque. and they can put out some crazy torque on low voltage. and low watts even. And yeah if you get the BBSHD on high voltage, especially when i switched from 72V to 75V, i noticed that made a big difference. But my two batteries are also built slightly different. So I think i may open up my 72V battery and double down on the nickel strips and spot weld another layer of nickel on the series connections. It could be how i built my first battery. But on 75V it went from like 43mph to (not really sure) but ive hit 49mph on flat in some circumstances with this setup on 75v. It absolutely rips up to about 40mph and it can get going 45 in most circumstances, faster than that requires good wind conditions or down hill
@@EBikeBuilder_ Great response and very educational to those like me who haven't made the foray into high voltage. One part of me wants to convert my 29'er BBSHD bike to high voltage and Phaserunner for close to 50mph top speed. To do so, one option would be to open the large 52v 25 amp-hr battery and reconfigure the cells for more series and one less cell in parallel. More volts and less capacity. Thanks again for all the great insigjht and validation the BBSHD is a great candidate for more voltage, power and speed.
Flooding is real! What cassette do you run? HG, Linkglide or SRam Eagle? Inquiring minds want to know! 100F feels like temp here couple days ago. No Freedom fries?
On this bike i use a Pinion P8200 adapter to run a 104BCD chainring on the HG cassette splines, and its single speed, i had already got my 1$ fry earlier in the day 😂😅
Its a 1kw motor so generally speaking its going to heat up the harder you ride it past that. It gets a lot hotter and goes a lot slower on lower voltage because its more current. So any way you cut it high voltage is better than low. I’m not sure what you are comparing it to in terms of reliability , not sure, it runs better than stock voltage that’s for sure. You can still run it at the same phase amps as the stock config. I have the luna peek gear in mine that seems to be a big deal. The nylon ones work but they are hella loud
I’ve done up to 4500 or 5000 before but depending on your bike gearing even if you give if full throttle it won’t always do 5000 i don’t think. I ride it around pretty hard though some times. You’re drive train is up to you to have set up and solid, i can’t make any guarantees for anyone, but what i have is working so far for me. I just built this in December
Yes exactly, I know that you can set it up to be still 1000-1500watts on 72v or more but I guess with the phase runner or vesc you set the motor/battery to work on let's say 50 amps which gives out 3500 - 4000 watts of power..that is why my question above. Thank you
Speaking of Cheetahs, spent the last 3 days taking the 20" spring fat tire forks off my Mars & installing 26" ZTZ Cheetahs air forks with 120mm travel & 20 click rebound adjustment. No steering tube cuts with a 7" WAKE riser & 9.5" rise Gull Wing bars. What a difference & out of the box it only traveled 30mm on a ride that took everything in stride. Well worth it all me thinks.
Nice Steve!! That sounds like a good setup! Air fork sounds nice, i used to have one, un till i broke it with my front motor 😱🫠 😅 I’ve always liked the bars on my e-bikes to be fairly tall as well. I usually get a bmx bars with rise, and a bmx stem. The MTB in this video is my only bike where i have lower bars. It works for going faster on this large sized mtb that fits me well, but in my other bikes i don’t like leaning forward so much. I bet your gull wings 🪽 are comfortable. I bet you are cruising now buddy!!
Night Crawler 😮
It's winter here Bro Bit chilly for night riding,ATM Except when I go too work 😊
I've got 29 inch Tires too ,I was gonna go the Hookies, But I thought I would try the Swabble big ben plus,E bike 🚳 tiers , There 😎 too
I like schwalbe tires also probably my favorite brand!! are you in australia?? what the heck winter??? thats crazy mate. But Yeah. Schwalbe are good, I have some Johnny Watts 365 that I really like. Schwable have the best rubber for icy winter roads!! Not that australian winter Im talking icy snowy winter !! Their tires work really well in slippery icy cold conditions. When rubber gets cold it gets all slippery and most tires totally suck, but not the schwalbe 365 stuff !!
@@EBikeBuilder_ yeah but I'm in the Mountains Bro Snow's a few times a and gets chilly up here
But all good, Yeah I like them so far seem too have good grip in all conditions, I ride on dirt 🔥 Trails too and they seem too handle that Ok
The hookies I had before were worn out, I lost the front end on some wet grass 😂
So yeah needed more grip first time
I've tried the Swabbles
Thanks for the Info Brother
Take care
Question please EBB'er,
As you teach up about possible different motor/controller/battery configurations...and
nice vid btw...
Question is.. as an owner of 2 BBSHD bikes, one a roadbike with skinny tires and another a 29'er with smoothies, both with large capacity 52v batteries and each with stock controller, which bike do you prefer for the type of riding you were doing with little pedaling?...this 75V aftermarket controller mid-drive BBSHD with single cog in back which really precludes having much useful pedaling bandwidth at a narrow speed range...or...your rear hub and/or dual hub drive bike with functional rear derailleur also with big battery and aftermarket controller where your pedaling is a bit more relevant? Presumably, power and speed aren't much different between the two.
Curious as you are a man who owns both configurations
You seem to be pretty happy on your BBSHD single speed for high speed cruising.
Thanks.
PS. Do you get decent range riding your BBSHD bike at 35-40mph....or does the battery lose charge pretty quickly?
if my dual hub bike had 2 phaserunners on it then it might stand a chance, But that 75V bbshd is absolutely insane Man I dont really ride it crazy hard. But like that little jump on the sidewalk was nothing, I could flip that bike in a loop. If you put the BBSHD into the grin motor simulator on 72V it says something like 265nm torque. Its better than my dual hub bike even with 2 phase runners probably. Each of the hub motors is only like 110 nm torque or something and its a much heavier bike. Lol i went on a crazy Ride today with the 75v bbshd down some gnarly trails not meant for bikes, U will see, The fat bike would nEVER make it. the bbshd on a mountain bike just kills everything. there is no point in anything else. except maybe for regen and fucking around cruising but really as each day goes on the fat tires become more and more dumb on ebikes. The only reason SO many ebikes have fat tires is because the bafang hub motors are made for fat bike wheels, and the non-fat bike ones suck. On my 75V BBSHD i can pedal up to about 9MPH with it geared like i have it. So just really low end climbing gearing. Thts all i need its the only time I ever pedal. So for crusing WITHOUT pedaling and throttle only yeah high voltage is just faster and better. If you arent trying to go fast then not as much need for a higher voltage. But there is a clear advantage in higher voltage / lower current. IN terms of heat. Higher voltage runs faster and smoother so its like why would i not want that. Im not sure if higher voltage making the motor want to run faster, would make it overheat more at lower speeds, and in that case would be less desirable, i wwould have to ask chat gpt about that. But maybe it makes sense to just use a lower voltage at lower speeds , like most emtbs do, they dont need to spin the motor crazy fast its more about torque. and they can put out some crazy torque on low voltage. and low watts even. And yeah if you get the BBSHD on high voltage, especially when i switched from 72V to 75V, i noticed that made a big difference. But my two batteries are also built slightly different. So I think i may open up my 72V battery and double down on the nickel strips and spot weld another layer of nickel on the series connections. It could be how i built my first battery. But on 75V it went from like 43mph to (not really sure) but ive hit 49mph on flat in some circumstances with this setup on 75v. It absolutely rips up to about 40mph and it can get going 45 in most circumstances, faster than that requires good wind conditions or down hill
@@EBikeBuilder_ Great response and very educational to those like me who haven't made the foray into high voltage. One part of me wants to convert my 29'er BBSHD bike to high voltage and Phaserunner for close to 50mph top speed. To do so, one option would be to open the large 52v 25 amp-hr battery and reconfigure the cells for more series and one less cell in parallel. More volts and less capacity.
Thanks again for all the great insigjht and validation the BBSHD is a great candidate for more voltage, power and speed.
Flooding is real! What cassette do you run? HG, Linkglide or SRam Eagle? Inquiring minds want to know! 100F feels like temp here couple days ago. No Freedom fries?
On this bike i use a Pinion P8200 adapter to run a 104BCD chainring on the HG cassette splines, and its single speed, i had already got my 1$ fry earlier in the day 😂😅
Ok, nice build, but is the motor still reliable on a longer term with this config? with more than 3kw?
Its a 1kw motor so generally speaking its going to heat up the harder you ride it past that. It gets a lot hotter and goes a lot slower on lower voltage because its more current. So any way you cut it high voltage is better than low. I’m not sure what you are comparing it to in terms of reliability , not sure, it runs better than stock voltage that’s for sure. You can still run it at the same phase amps as the stock config. I have the luna peek gear in mine that seems to be a big deal. The nylon ones work but they are hella loud
I’ve done up to 4500 or 5000 before but depending on your bike gearing even if you give if full throttle it won’t always do 5000 i don’t think. I ride it around pretty hard though some times. You’re drive train is up to you to have set up and solid, i can’t make any guarantees for anyone, but what i have is working so far for me. I just built this in December
Yes exactly, I know that you can set it up to be still 1000-1500watts on 72v or more but I guess with the phase runner or vesc you set the motor/battery to work on let's say 50 amps which gives out 3500 - 4000 watts of power..that is why my question above. Thank you