For All Mankind Season 4 Episode 4 Breakdown | Recap & Review
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The fourth episode of For All Mankind’s fourth season features Margo's (Wrenn Schmidt) first day of work at Star City. Miles (Toby Kebbell) takes his grind too far and almost gets himself killed on the surface. Ed (Joel Kinnaman) has to tell Svetlana goodbye as she gets recalled to Earth after a scuffle leads to politically motivated charges.
On Earth Eli Hobson (Daniel Stern) has problems with diplomacy. Dev Ayesa (Edi Gathegi) makes a quick TV appearance promising to return Helios back to its former glory.
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House Divided
An accident on Mars strains relationships, while Miles embarks on a risky venture.
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Rocketing into the new millennium in the eight years since season three, Happy Valley has rapidly expanded its footprint on Mars by turning former foes into partners. Now 2003, the focus of the space program has turned to the capture and mining of extremely valuable, mineral-rich asteroids that could change the future of both Earth and Mars. But simmering tensions between the residents of the now-sprawling international base threaten to undo everything they are working towards.
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The coup has really changed the trajectory of where I thought this season was going in the beginning. I expected Eli to be cutting corners, Dev doing something crazy, and labor coming together as a result. The gold rush in space seems to temporarily be on the back burner. Not complaining though, let me know what you think about the new twists and turns.
Isn't the woman handing out debrief and Tatiana the same person? No matter awesome video summary as always. Thing are getting tense again and again, (anchor strength pun intended) but hope to find out where we're going. Non of these episodes seem flat. A year ago this time we were racing towards mars. Now ... Just curious which direction we're going. Seeing Mayakovsky again is always good.
@@Gezajozsi the new roscosmos director is Irina Morozova; Tatyana is the lady who fixed margo's coffee.
i found issue with the way poole handled the svetlana incident tho. her decision to hold off on sending her back to russia is reasonable; but why the heck was she allowed to freely roam the mars base? at the very least, she should've been confined to quarters, if there is no brig over there. this would've been standard for any military base (altho technically the mars base isn't military).
there should also have been a base-wide report on the incident, so that everyone is at least informed of the same basic facts. she could also have held a conference/meeting with an invitation to all residents so she can answer any pertinent questions. instead, it seemed like poole kept the info within "command", and that allowed dissent to build within the "lower ranks".
it's also weird that poole's response to sam's very curt remarks was just letting her scoot. why wouldn't poole make sure she clarifies things with sam? especially when sam blurted that the workers are unhappy.
all that said, she's still wayyyy better than ed. i can't wait for ed to get booted already! his rubbish leadership style is what caused basically every single bad incident in space so far. how the heck has he not been called out in 4 seasons; but instead has gotten command of every single most prestigious mission?? white privilege does not need escape velocity to boldly go to space it seems.
Very bummed Margo not returned to USA...
@@alveolate she kind of did. His emotional decision cause a lot of people to die. After A22 he shouldn’t been in SP honestly but they all covered for each other
It's so obvious, Lee wants his wife on Mars so he can defect to usa and bring his wife with him.
Could be, and this episode just set a precedent for the US to not follow the M7's extradition rules.
Lee asking for political asylum will be a headache later in the season and his wife being smuggled to Mars will be a PR disaster for the whole operation! News anchors will be asking how an entire human being was somehow snuck onto a ship all the way to Mars undetected!! Its going to be hilarious
easyier to get her to russia/soviet union or usa than to mars then all he does is defect to whichever. while still on mars
@@johnmitchell4043not really I think they will just live on mars in the settlement dev is about to bring
@@Game.pocket they could be the first couple on mars. but dev didnt announce his plan until after lee asked for his wife. with north korias 3 generations law lee couldnt defect knowing what would happen to his wife but if she gets to mars he can bring her with him when he request political asylum
I’ve started to like Bob at NASA a little. He seems like he really believes it’s his duty to do a good job and take his role seriously. Seems like he’s gaining respect for his employees and they seem like they’re starting to respect him. His whole refusal to send svetlana back looked like he was convinced by his staff
To paraphrase a trashy reality show: "Now, we're cooking with gas." I'm invested in these characters and the story. At this point, I can't make a solid prediction that I would bet more than a dollar on. And I LOVE IT.
I really like the complex character of Margo.
watching Ed turn into a corporate middle management ghoul is so depressing. i appreciate that this show isn't afraid to go there.
Miles is a walking greedy disaster. I couldn't be less enamored with that character.
"greedy" - wanting to support your family. Lol
@@21kiwi24 - Yes, if going to any means to do so, even needlessly endangering your own life and the successful operation of another who brought you into their operation when they didn't have to. Yes. In the first episode, we saw how greed led to the death of the Helios crew member. Now. We're seeing the same heedless decision making by Miles.
Doing things you don't have to do, to make money, with nary a concern for consequences, is greedy. And stupid.
@@21kiwi24It's not even his family. From the season start, we see that his "wife" says that he should not be at their house and all of his stuff is in the boxes in the garage. Implying he has the restraining order and that they are divorced or in the process of divorce. And, she is milking him for money. She even sold his gift to their daughter. And on top of it all, yes, he IS greedy. When ever he makes a break and is satisfied, he immediately starts looking for the next step up, more more more. Endangering himself is one thing, endangering others, a completely different thing.
He pull off a stunt in North Korean compound which was off-limits, to steal a thermostat. That alone could have created an international incident and put a huge dent in the whole Mars mission. Because, previously, in search for even more money, he screwed up an illegal moonshine still.
The guy is INSUFFERABLE and yes, extremely greedy. Combine that with stupid and not very capable and you have a very unlikable character. But the show likes to have one or two of those every season.
Ed's got a second reason for not wanting Svetlana to go; how will he hide his tremors now?
That was one thing in my notes that I wanted to come back to and never did. She knows about his illness and his grow. Now that the Soviets know they are responsible for the asteroid mission disaster they'll be looking for ways to deflect blame.
Even if she never gives up his secrets he doesn't have her there to help cover his condition up.
Also letting Svetlana in on his secret was a way for Ed to stay in the cockpit. I think we’ve seen enough selfishness in his character to recognize that he’s not trying to protect Svetlana for love.
@@meadpointlearn914 I don't think it is one or the other, but both. I would not go so far as to call it love, but definitely more than good friendship. And yes, there is selfish aspect to it all, as is always the case with Baldwin. He is trying to protect her for multiple reasons, not just one, it is not either-or situation :)
I love how the writers are now openly fucking with the viewers with respect to the fate of Danny Stevens.
SAY IT, DANI! SAY IT!
(Stevens lives, by the way).
I think he shoots himself
That would be a huge anti-climax at this point. I feel like they are setting us up for a bigger twist than that.@@Game.pocket
@@paulkerrigan4051 he finds the gun in the sand and probably goes insane and shoots him self
Ron Moore loves to do things like that
The main thing I disliked about this episode was the whole Miles grabbing mars rock scenes. Compared to every other action having gravity and consequence, him just going onto the surface very quickly for no mission other than to go grab rocks just didn't seem realistic or really serve any point besides building character between him and Sam. Before in the series we've seen people get stuck or stranded and it turns into a main episode event, but here it's just seen as oh silly me!! They could've added much more context to this event like some sort of surface mission Miles was tending to where it leads to the rocks. Base also didn't seem too concerned about miles being missing, which could also have been due to them not caring about lower class workers but still it just overall seemed like a very lightweight scenario created with little consequence. Will have to see if it pans out into something more.
Besides that it did make for some interesting visual screen-time of the surface compared to other much worse/unneeded subplot events we've seen in earlier seasons.
The coup really has me locked in for this season. I didn't see it coming, but it is compelling. There is so much drama. Keep it up FAM!
I wonder if they will bring down the Soviet Union in the course of this series or not. Seeing this episode I thought that previously with a regime like Gorbachev's, which was open to capitalism and this contributed to making the Soviet Union in general richer, the risk of it collapsing was low, now with a more closed and less open regime to that type of economy, it could happen that this causes the collapse of the Soviet Union, and we will be presented with images of the collapse of the Berlin Wall in 1989, but set in the TV series in 2003/2004.
everyone on/in the fam discord saw it coming
Fun fact: the converting mistake of metric/imperial system that lead to the cronos disaster actually stems from a real life event. A billion dollar mars satelite or lander (esa nasa coop) got destroid when nasa did the same mistake by not calculating in metric.
It wasn't NASA but Lockheed Martin. It was a Mars Orbiter mission from 1999, but NASA did the calculation in metric (SI units) but Lockheed Martin delivered a part that did the calculations in imperial units.
@@Wustenfuchs109 ah good to know. Thanks for clarifying
Ah yes, the infamous Mars Climate Orbiter (MCO) mission
I feel for Ed . Soviet stuff is good. I feel this is like DS9
Back toward rising tensions between East and West. I was worried the show would follow the whole peace and love thing.
Cold War round 2
Cold War 2: Nuclear Boogaloo
I bet that the Americans will realize that Margo is alive in the next episode or the episode after that. And she will be used for propaganda purposes and rekindling the Cold War.
I mean, the Americans sent Rowland to mars so if things are exposed the soviets can just say Margo defected, they granted her asylum and she’s working at roscosmos.
It’s more and more implausible that the Americans don’t know that Margo is alive and well. They clearly have Star City under close surveillance.
Indeed! Although unlikely, it would be cool if Margo is a double agent.
In episode 3, they discuss the fact Margo is in Russia.
I suspect they'll use Margo in a similar capacity to Snowden in our timeline
Literally waiting for Pete's explanation video of FAM...
I like how after 4 seasons we are seeing the russians smile 😊
I’m starting to question Margo’s character. Whether she’s caught in something way over her head, or alternatively, if she feels right at home in the cold authority of Roscosmos and the potential to rise again?
A bit like a Walter White to Heisenberg. Starting because you need to survive, but keeping going because you begin to genuinely enjoy doing something you’re good at, regardless of the cost to other people.
Nice review Pete as always. I am thinking the same way - the USSR is going to fall, but in this timeline it's going to happen later than it did in our timeline.
I.M.O. ... Margot's character has the most interesting story arc this season.
This is becoming the spiritual prequel to The Expanse, and I love it.
I think they might introduce a Martian state, similar to Expase. Own rules, own leaders, so for example Soviet law does not work there, only Martian law. Or is it too early for that? They are too dependent on the home planet at the moment.
I have had Expanse vibes with this show since the last season. There was even an easter egg in the Expanse where a sign on Ceres said to visit the original moon colony “Jamestown” est in 1973
I get the sense of a strong divide in the comments between viewers who are old enough to remember the Cold War, the Berlin Wall and when it abruptly came down, and the 1991 coup and final collapse of the Soviet Union and those who are either too young to remember or too disinterested in why today's real world is how it is. (Same with "the gay stuff" last season - lots of people didn't seem to realize how big a deal that was until very recently.)
I heard mixed reports about For All Mankind and missed it out since I wasn't able to watch it without subscribing to another streaming service. I always thought about it though and watched all your Season timeline videos. I really enjoyed them and kind of regret not giving the show a chance as a viewer. I am subscribed and will take a look at more of your videos when I have a little more time.
It’s definitely worth the subscription. It really is one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. The way the show makes you care about each character is better than any I’ve seen before.
Just got done watching this episode. DAMN this show is good! Always has been and it hasn't fallen off.
Ed out there looking like Rick Grimes. Miles lookin like Nicholas Newman
Looking how technology moves by bounds every decade... save for a potential WW3, I consider this a potential true prequel to Star Trek.
I see it more like the expanse with the political intrigue both on earth and mars.
In the Star Trek timeline there were two major wars before we got to that utopian future .. the Eugenics War and ww3
The Eugenics War was said to have happened in the 1990s, but there was no sign of it when the Voyager crew travelled back to that timeline in ‘Future’s End’. 🙄
This is more expanse where things go wrong than Star Trek. Star Trek is more like our timeline with the Eugenics War and WW3.
Uh no. It's more of the expanse.
You rule Pete . You are the go to guy for good TV and others.
I'm really rooting for Miles and Margo. I hope they're the ones who'll make the asteroid mining happen, with Dev, Kelly and Aleida team's help.
Margo seemed flattered by Irina, and it got me thinking, that in her whole life, she was only ever flattered by three individuals: Werner von Braun, Aleida, and Sergei.
None of the three relationships ended too happily for either side...
Had Miles received any training in the use of a spacesuit? Was it realistic to have him exploring on the surface unaccompanied?
Felt pretty weird to me, gotta say.
It was quite clear they couldn't go outside if not necessary, and they just skipped over the part where he figures out how to get away with it. Likable character tho. My bet is that he's going to fuck up big time despite having good intentions and doing his best
Yeah I always had to tell my superiors where I was going to when I was on a base in a war zone if I traveled alone.
In episode 2, Miles and other characters referred to a lengthy training process.
Yes, he was trained. And no, he should not have been able to just walk out like that. EVAs are heavily regulated and monitored. Even if he managed to, somehow, fake a permit for one, the search party involving two EVAs with two rovers - that would put the entire base on alert. Also, you can bet all those suits would have had locators of some sort. And Mile's idea of bringing in a bag full of rocks into the base, again, no. Things like these are heavily regulated due to the cross-contamination and possible ill-effects to the crew.
That COULD be a good plot point and how they eventually discover life, but that won't be the case. They will just treat this whole thing as Miles walking out to get some rocks, that he will bring in, and no one will be the wiser. Only the people involved will know... because... reasons.
He was trained to be a field tech but when the time came he was assigned to doing HVAC
I really thought by miles face and how fast he was breathing that maybe after falling down in that canyon that he found something crazy down there. Also I wonder if there’s going to be any viruses 🦠 released from the Martian rocks
I enjoyed this episode more than I expected as I am not a fan of Geo-politics. Never the less it’s very intriguing.
That slight shoulder check that Ed gives Danny... has to have reprecussions, no?
The fall of the USSR would be the logical result of the coup. Their economy would tank with returning to "the principles of Lenin and Stalin" and all those minorities in the republics would be rebelling now that they've had limited freedom of speech and economic prosperity for almost two decades.
However, the fact that they've brought Margo into the Soviet space program while the coups in the USSR and Helios happened in the same episode, I guess this is their way of reigniting the space race. So far the show has a race in one season (seasons 1 and 3) and settling down for the next (season 2 and 4), they should have the race to Jupiter by early 2010s in season 5 but with Helios not taking risks and no competition between nations that wouldn't be possible. So they had to bring back Dev and the antagonistic USSR to restart the competition.
That's said, there might be a middle way. The USSR falls, but only partially. Like the Warsaw pact is disbanded and some republics leave but not all of them. Or maybe they all do but thanks to the reforms of Gorbachev, the transition to market economy is smoother and the Russia that succeeds the Soviet Union is up to competition and not a oligarchic mafia state.
Ed stuck his neck out so many times for his friends, especially Dani. It’s f***ed up that Dani sent Svetlana back to earth against Ed’s wishes. You can really see the pain in his eyes when Dani decides to send her back because Dani is his closest friend, and he felt that she stabbed him in the back.
Made things interesting. Yeah it, looks like the real issue with the injury is they cut corners with the suites just like they cut corners with the hooks and no doubt cut corners with other parts of the Mars base that could lead to tragedy.
I wonder if this is about restarting the space race. Potentially using nuclear propulsion to reach further into the solar system, or starting a mission to Alpha Centauri
Probably go to something like Titan first but could be
He will find a new employment...
(quietly mutters) ...in gulag.
- irina morozova, roscosmos director
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It appears to me that Helios is mirroring a Steve Jobs and Apple scenario…
Was good to see Margo mathing to jazz. I do wonder if the Irena was married to Sergei. Or at least had a relationship with him as well. Agree about the Russian Aleida. I was about to post that. I should probably wait to the wnd of the video to post.
I really don't understand how the coup succeeded in the USSR. I know it's a show and it's because of drama that why it happened. But really, it's not believable cause of these points.
1: Gorbachev policies were immensely popular with the people, because it made their standard of living way better. This happened in real life and in the show where we see the common people such as newspaper guy supporting Gorbachev, not to mention it was a coup, so most people wouldn't support that.
2: Gorbachev hybrid market policies would mean that basically any economically important factions would support him, because it would mean the most prosperity for them and the soviet Union, and the hardliners wanna go back to Leninst command economy which would be disastrous.
3: Gorbachev has the support of larger and more powerful factions. Korozenko (hardliners) are only shown to have the support of the police, the KGB, and fanatical Leninist. Gorbachev was shown to have the support of the Red Army, since they were shown to be retaking successfully Moscow as seen in the prison scene. So I don't know how the fuck the coup de tat succeeded? Like yes I understand that the KGB has immense power in the USSR, but Gorbachev had the support of the military and all other important factions. He would have been able to destroy all hardliners, even the entire KGB by force, all the most vital economic factions, and the support of the people.
So like, I kinda feel like the writers couldn't justify the hardliners winning, so they just said they won. Really, the more believable solution would have been Gorvachev crushing the coup.
Yeah it is kinda confusing. Like I LOVED the coup happening, which I could totally see happening… but then it’s like resolved and that’s it. Gorbachev gives up even though he had the army on his side… that’s messed up. Not even a Yeltsin sort of thing regarding break away republics…
This seriously reminds me of the SpongeBob episode where the eel guy steals SpongeBob’s ice cream and plankton tells him to be assertive and SpongeBob says “you can have it.” Lol
We don't actually know what support Gorbachev had. In real life his support from the people and especially the elites really waned as time went on. Also it's Gorbachev. Refusing to recognize a growing threat to himself or the country and once shit hit the fan refusing to use force is very on brand for him. Look at his real-life handling of any nationalism crisis. Even if he had the force to stay in power it's very believable he wouldn't realize what was happening until it was too late and refuse to much about it once he did. Gorbachev crushing anything is really unbelievable
@@avatarmikephantom153 Yes, thank you. I dont know why Gorbachev surrendered, even with the support of the army
I wonder if they will bring down the Soviet Union in the course of this series or not. Seeing this episode I thought that previously with a regime like Gorbachev's, which was open to capitalism and this contributed to making the Soviet Union in general richer, the risk of it collapsing was low, now with a more closed and less open regime to that type of economy, it could happen that this causes the collapse of the Soviet Union, and we will be presented with images of the collapse of the Berlin Wall in 1989, but set in the TV series in 2003/2004.
Gorbachev was known as a pushover. So he probably just gave it all up for the sake of peace
I wonder if they will bring down the Soviet Union in the course of this series or not. Seeing this episode I thought that previously with a regime like Gorbachev's, which was open to capitalism and this contributed to making the Soviet Union in general richer, the risk of it collapsing was low, now with a more closed and less open regime to that type of economy, it could happen that this causes the collapse of the Soviet Union, and we will be presented with images of the collapse of the Berlin Wall in 1989, but set in the TV series in 2003/2004.
Do you think Irina was Sergei’s former wife? Also, I understand the frustration with Helios but Sam is pretty unlikeable IMO.
Yup, space Karen - that's why. In the same way Ed's ex-wife Karen (funny how that turned out) was also among the least likable characters.
@@Wustenfuchs109 Honestly was not that bad. For me, it was Aleida and then eventually the bastard Stevens' sons.
It's weird there's no mention of "Vladimir Putin" in this timeline, probably he's still involved with his work in KGB & hasn't made his cut in the active politics.
Margo is going to take Tatiana under her wing and then down the road Tatiana will find out Margo was basically why her mentor got taken by the KGB.
Al Gore served on Apple’s board of directors for more than 20 years… why couldn’t they get him to actually give his dialogue 🤔
She’s the Soviet union equivalent to Margo 9:20
Danny killed himself…they never should have left him alone for so long especially since they saw how his father lost it on the moon.
Plus Karen died. Imagine when he learned that.
I don’t think Stevens killed himself. The writers are setting us up for a twist.
@@paulkerrigan4051 Well... about that...
I like how the show goes smooth showing excellent things and then when you least expect it throws the biggest monkey wrench it can into the plot to go beyond subverting expectation to "what if this went totally FUBAR".
Miles wants to get rich. He's going to get busted.
Messy makes great drama.
I thought that final scene of episode 4 was beautiful shot, walking past the entire ship
what ship?
Base
Yall missed the significance of the “fake” Soviet money and the coffee I see.
When Miles said he would smuggle rocks i immediately thought about the 2003 SARS pandemic. Imagine if that rocks have some air bubbles with a nasty surprise inside!
Even if there was something there it had evolved completely separately from humans. Thats not conducive to a pathogen that could spread in humans
Given the conflict happening in the Middle East due to the failure of the fossil fuels marketplace, I’m shocked that we don’t have any terrorist attacks so far.
Happy that Miles didn't die! 👍 What a foolhardy thing he did! The Margo storyline is coming along great! My favorite storyline this season! Interesting that you pointed out that the same man (Kirill Semenov) that treated Margo cruelly when she tried to see someone at the main headquarters is the same man who was covering up his responsibility for the Kronos disaster! What an ass! But, his incompetence, lying, and coverup was finally brought to light! I think it makes perfect sense that he's been taken by KGB because they're going to suspect that he's a double agent and traitor. Maybe he's just a cowardly incompetent, but maybe not. KGB will get to the bottom of it through heinous investigative techniques, things that Margo has suffered and seen while in jail. Well, the guy probably deserves it. If he'd been forthcoming about his purposeful errors in the incident report it might have been better for him, not KGB hauling him off. I'm also very impressed with Dani, and her standing toe to toe with Baldwin's pressure to keep his girlfriend on Mars. Dani hit the nail on the head: Baldwin loses objectivity when it comes to decisions involving anyone he likes/loves. Bad decision making! It's why Dani is best suited to be in charge of the Mars outpost. Anyway, I'm very excited to continue with the Margo storyline most of all. Another very interesting piece of information that was leaked: the man that Margo helped and loved (Sergei Nikulov) was in a photo on Morozova's office wall, and she gifted it to Margo , saying that Sergei was a close friend of hers! Hmmmm, I'm wondering if Sergei will be any part of S4 and Margo's life in Russia! Sergei is happily living the American dream, so I wonder if that will change!
And so glad I didn't have to suffer through scenes with Aleida and Kelly (yawn city)
in this time line or any other, the dispicable evil intent of rushism kleptocracy is a forgone conclusion. I am worried that the kind of ppl that watches series or movies are detached from the real world war we all experience, albeit a hyber cold war going warmer every day
Great video as usual
What happened to the guy Margo was in live with? Has he been mentioned?
When Margo is speaking with the head of Roscosmos, Margo is given a picture of him (along with others from his team - inc. the head of Roscosmos) and refers to him in “past tense” hinting that he’s passed away.
@@FigmentForeveridk I took it as more of a reference to his defection and leaving the USSR space program, rather than suggesting he passed. Would definitely like to see those two finally together or at least a backstory to what he did after defecting.
@@jimmydabutler9022 After his incarceration in the gulag in S3, his health was very poor and was given limited time left. It’s a 5+ year time jump so it makes sense he likely passed away based on verbiage & context.
Sergei was last seen in the end-of-season 3 montage, looking happy and healthy and living the suburban American dream!@@FigmentForever
KGB is back?! Will we ever see Space Putin this season?
I don't think so. Putin was Yeltsin's man. Without Yeltsin, Putin wouldn't have been able to rise to power in the late-1990s. I think with completely "writing out" Yeltsin from this timeline (the 1991 coup attempt - in which Yeltsin had a great role - not happening in FAM-universe), they wrote out Putin too.
I wonder if the pandemic is gonna happen a lot earlier 6:10
Pandemic storyline from Mars would be way out of left field and too sci fi for what this show has been doing. Even if any pathogens existed on Mars they evolved completely separately from humans. Thats not the kind of pathogen that would have any possibility of spreading between humans at all, let alone causing a pandemic.
I dont like that they threw the US USSR cooperation out of the window.
Dani once again a bad Boss. She should have released the audio of the accident.
That's a horrendous idea, all it would achieve would be to make Svetlana even more doomed to the gulag
I disagree - she's making decisions for the good of the whole base, while Ed is making decisions primarily for himself. It's a moot point; in the end Svetlana is getting shipped down for her trial in India.
@@asdfasdf-dd9lk Why not? I mean, Soviet Union is fully within their rights to put their citizens on trial. USA has no obligation or right for that matter to interfere. Based on the charter signed, Soviet Union has every right to bring her back. Two Soviet citizens ended up in a fight. I really don't see how USA, or any other member of the mission, has any right to interfere.
She could have maybe requested formal asylum, like cosmonaut did in Season 2. Then USA would have some right to protect her if they so wished (and create an international incident), but as the things stand in Season 4, no.
Doomed to Gulag? Well, if it is in the law of her own country, then Gulag it is, what can you do. Saudi Arabia is chopping heads in broad daylight, you don't see many people rushing in to interfere. You need to respect sovereignty of other countries of you want the same respect shown to you. Does Svetlana deserve it? Maybe, maybe not - but it most certainly is not within USA rights to judge what should be done.
@@Wustenfuchs109 man your brain sounds aerodynamic lmao
Do the soviets ever embrace computers and flat-screen panels jesus christ Margo still uses a slide rule while nasa has 3d graphical simulation software probably 1440 p monitors, and advance semi autonomous robotics where is there technology dont they have fusion and EV's and where is the money they have equivalent tech to USA granted they probably have to buy everything they can't probably do high end semiconductors, but you'd think that bc they have a fleet of space shuttles a mining operation on the moon and abundant energy bc of Fusion that could support everyone by now???? In every timeline the great Russian people are lead astray 😢
Think thats just a Margot thing not a soviet thing
@@dlouc100 still though not even a CRT retro behemoth of a computer I’m not even asking a modern one, maybe the soviets wouldn’t be fucking up if they invested more so the engineers wouldn’t have to work like in korolevs day lmao by hand on paper
@@jesusguerrero1086 Soviets do have top of the line electronics - as we saw on the Happy Valley Soviet Command center. Margot is not using it because, if you missed the Season 1, that slide rule (logarithmic ruler) was a gift to her from her mentor and family friend, Von Braun, the father of modern rocketry and the man who made Man on the Moon possible. It holds huge sentimental value for her which is why she is always carrying it around and does her work with it.
It is not that Soviets don't have the equipment on the same level as Americans, it's just that Margot is not using it at this very moment. And she has no need for it. Her job currently was just to go over the incident report and check the numbers. She didn't need to do any modeling, there was no need to use a computer. In instances like that, computer would actually slow you down. Computers are for complex stuff, not for simple multiplications. If you use them for that, then you are the problem and probably should not be in a place like space center.
@@Wustenfuchs109 remember the significance of the slide ruler I just hoped that they wouldn’t do the soviets dirty star city looks like a shitty midwestern community college from outside the showrunners could’ve done more to show how they’ve progressed not even a glimpse of their moon base
@@jesusguerrero1086Oh, that. I already wrote about that in another comment - it is forbidden to portray USSR having ANYTHING positive or cool. In the show, they say to us that USSR in this timeline is powerful, prosperous, toe-to-toe with USA in tech. But, they always show us USSR as a land of darkness, snow and rain, backwards, cartoonishly evil. Basically, they say one thing for the sake of the story so USA has an opponent, but show us completely different thing because we can't have you think that there is something good in USSR.
But that's a standard for all US shows and films. You'll never see any realistic representation of historical USSR, let alone the prosperous one in the For All Mankind. It is low key forbidden.
Too big of an emphasis is being placed on the soap opera aspect of the series and the characters. Soviet Union arc is an exception to that. Other stuff, not really interesting - neither story, or characters. But even the Soviet story arc is flawed. They really want to beat down the idea that USSR=Evil, but they do it in a comical way that I can't take serious and then it loses all of the gravity for me. It is a standard problem with writers, when they want to make something so obvious that it turns into a caricature of itself.
First of all, USSR is always displayed as a land of endless winter, cloudy days and rain, washed out colors. In USA, it is always sunshine, color saturation to the max. First of all, not real, second of all, it looks funny after the third time. If you want to make one side evil, that evil has to be insidious, hidden, between the lines. Evilness of USSR in the show is as subtle as a train horn!
Engineer tries to hide the error of his team in the report. OK. Director's response makes sense, not because he made a mistake but because it would really damage the position of USSR as a whole if something like this is hidden and then discovered by others. Neither side wanted that in the Cold War historically, and both USA and USSR went above and beyond from giving propaganda ammo to the other side if possible. What doesn't make sense is the empty chair and Margo's guilt. That guy had a deputy, they'd be taking his place for that department in the next meeting. That empty chair had no business of being empty. And Margo would not have felt guilty - she wasn't allowing mistakes to slide either. His work destroyed an entire program and caused the death of two people, plus his poor attempt at coverup might severely damage USSR and their space program in general.
Of course he is getting escorted out by KGB officers!
What do you think would happen in USA if someone at NASA made a mistake that cost several lives in the international mission, then tried to cover that up? Slap on the wrist? Lower pay? There would be internal investigation, then FBI would get involved - and that person would not work there (or anywhere with similar requirements) probably ever again.
This was actually the FAM version of Mars Climate Orbiter failure due to unit conversion mistake, which in our timeline was the mistake of Lockheed Martin. Though the public never found out the name of the person responsible, just their workplace, I can guarantee you that they were not working there afterwards after the disaster they have caused.
Will that guy end up in Gulag? Probably. But here's the deal, in USSR Gulag is a short version of the name of the government agency that was organizing forced labor. Gulag is the same as US prison industry, just think of a US government having a regulatory body that does just that. And there were special bureaus for scientists and engineers where they would CONTINUE their work, but this time enforced. They were called Sharashka in general, but their official name was "Special Design Bureau", ОКБ. There was no forced labor, there were no harsh conditions.
But guess what will happen with our engineer in the show? Because we need a caricature evil USSR, he will be sent to a land of endless winter to chip ice with a pick while starving to death.
And that is my main problem with the show - they don't know how to write competent and believable enemies of the "good guys". They can't write a serious tension story, and for the sake of artificial crisis, they go down some of the most stupid choices one could make in a certain situation.
Do the soviets ever embrace computers and flat-screen panels jesus christ Margo still uses a slide rule while nasa has 3d graphical simulation software probably 1440 p monitors, and advance semi autonomous robotics where is there technology dont they have fusion and EV's and where is the money they have equivalent tech to USA granted they probably have to buy everything they can't probably do high end semiconductors, but you'd think that bc they have a fleet of space shuttles a mining operation on the moon and abundant energy bc of Fusion that could support everyone by now???? In every timeline the great Russian people are lead astray 😢
I don't agree that Russian Gulags and forced labor camps are the same as American prisons, not even maximum security prisons. in America prisoners have doctors, 2-3 safe meals a day and comfortable cells... in a Russian Gulag I really want to see the rights of prisoners, many die of cold or hunger or lose fingers from the cold, I want to see healthcare in the gulags what is it... the person who made a mistake in the calculation deserves to spend many years in prison but certainly not to die badly in a Russian gulag, even prisons should have a minimum standard of humanity, and I doubt that in Russia in the gulags those standards are very high.
@@blacklocke5171 You do know that Gulag is not the place, it is a government agency, right?
Also, you are describing the worst of the worst forced labor camps in Soviet Union in the 1930's up to 1950's, which were very few in number but for some reason (I know the reason) it is taken as a baseline. Which would be like taking the worst prison in USA in 1935 and saying that all USA prisons in 1990 were like that.
Do you see a problem with that statement?
Forced labor camps in USSR and previously in Russian Empire (those were not invented by Stalin, he just took over the existing system... which is also something westerns don't seem to know) were not death sentences in a frozen waste. They were built where there was some infrastructure work to be done. They grew into villages, then cities. They were the primary means of settling the land outside the Russian heartland.
Obviously they were not wonderlands, you went there to serve a sentence (which was max 5 years btw) but they were NOT death camps with extra steps as is the modern interpretation today.
And, as I said, that engineering guy - they would not send him to a camp where there is physical labor at all. He would be sent to a Special Design Bureau connected to his field of research and work. There was no point in wasting an engineer that the state educated and built up. And ОКБ was anything but your twisted depiction of a forced labor camp. You were still confined to an area and forced to work, but those things were more often than not in cities and had scientific and engineering facilities within them. The point was not to kill you but to get the most scientific and engineering output from you as a repayment for your crime. As you said, warm, comfortable, 3 meals a day.
Because unlike some common criminal who killed someone and sent to the middle of nowhere to build a railroad, an engineer wasn't so expendable.
But that's all besides my point which was, when I mentioned USA I said specifically to imagine if USA had a government agency that organized prison industry system. That's all. I wasn't comparing conditions, anywhere.
I was trying to explain that Gulag is not a place, it was a government agency. But the whole thing flew over your head like a jet plane.
@@Dr.LongMonkey Sorry for later reply, I had to go and watch the interview you mentioned. None of the things I raised in my original comment is touched upon or even mentioned in that interview. None of the critiques of the writing choices I mentioned were even brushed upon. But I did waste an hour of my life, thank you.
@@Wustenfuchs109 The regime that came to power in the TV series is of the same type as that of Stalin, and it is widely documented how he systematically eliminated political opponents or emerging figures who could even think of rivaling him. this at high levels, in everyday life it had become a common practice for citizens to report their neighbor or a friend, just to make a good impression on the regime and so the neighbor friend ended up in a prison camp and whoever reported it received a medal. This person taken by the KGB has put the image of the new regime at risk, he will certainly not end up in a normal prison, but in one of the worst places as punishment, just as the cosmonaut who will return from Mars if she depends on Soviet judges, will end up in do years of forced labor or end up who knows where dying of hunger. Margot herself was able to see an execution by the guards of the prison where she was staying, carried out by the regime that is now in power in the TV series, so I doubt that the conditions of where all those people who are against the regime end up regime or have done damage to the regime or otherwise end up in normal prisons. perhaps they kill them directly because they made the unforgivable mistake of causing damage to the regime. the same subordinate who had suggested not letting the cosmonaut back from Mars because she was an excellent pilot for the Mars project, was not listened to, eliminating dissidence is the number one priority for this regime, as is the person who made a mistake in the calculations, In this regime nothing is forgiven, No mercy.
Dani once again being a bad boss/leader... just like twice in s3.... dani should have released audio of the fight the whole 2 minutes of it so people can hear it people would have sided with her 50% more at the end. guess writers just wanted to show the divide between bottoms and toppers
I still miss Molly.
😢💗💯¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I liked this episode but I noticed something. Nearly all of the male characters were idiots, or did stupid things, and needed to be put in their place by a female character. Not sure if it was intentional or not, but it stood out to me.
Now where you say it. Wtf
Yes, it's a feminist series.
@@TheRocco96I wouldn't go so far as to call it a feminist show. In the past they've been very evenhanded with the male/female dynamic of the characters, where both had triumphs and screwups, but this episode seemed to be noticeably lopsided.
@@julius-starkI saw your comment earlier but waited to watch before I responded.
Good observation.
Yea. It seemed like that but since season 1 there’s been all types of “isims” and “cists” take your pick.
Some movies go for the female lead roles to gain that audience and I don’t really watch those crap like Marvels.
This however is all over the place. Somewhat. A bit.
I don’t think it was specific to women but in a way it’s their turn. Remember all the players in power are men (presidents) at this point so regardless who is in command have to respond to a man in power. Ya dig!
You’re right - none of the female characters ever screw up.
Oh, except Margo.
And Aleida.
Oh, and Svetlana.
And Tracey in season 2.
I guess none of the female characters screw up except those that do.
Ed’s aging make-up is really bad.
Jesus. I think we've understood this point that has only been repeated a billion times already.
@@denis480
It’s THAT BAD!!!
And it will be noted again, kitty cat.
@@ceciliaSF-TX Whatever.
yep, I was concerned a chunk could fall off during that kiss, why it was mild I reckon.
I am losing interest. FOR ALL MANKIND seems to be drifting into multiple interpersonal drama storylines over man vs. nature and innovative technology territory. It feels more like a space-based soap opera with alternative histories than man and tech vs the harsh environment of Mars, where it rains solar and cosmic radiation, is besieged by devastating wind storms and has 1/3 the gravity of earth. So many things could go wrong and would go wrong. But not in this series. And there's more... the whole LOWER DECK class culture conflict storyline is just not believable. An HVAC worker taking out a suit for a stroll to look for volcanic rock... the smuggler character who gets the lower workers porn and booze and whatever from Earth. C'mon, all of that has zero plausibility. An operations like this would run as tight as an ISS mission. Not like a West Virginia coal mine or OUTLAND or the Nostromo in ALIEN. I don't want a series on this subject matter to look like so many shows I've seen before. I expected more from Apple. Yawn and meh. But, that's just me.
Please, do better
Edi's character is just a more annoying black version of Elon Musk.
This show has already jumped the shark. One clear fact should be that Ed Baldwin should be grounded because he's been at the center of every disaster since Episode 1. The show sucks. Way too much jerking our chain.
No Fargo this time around?
I made an episode 3 video and will be doing the rest of the season
I am here for the name of ending song of this episode. 🥹🥹
Maybe Not by Cat Power (2003)
Took me an hour to find this thx