Something happening with the asteroid causing it to head toward Earth is so obvious I almost expect a twist. This was a good Irina episode that almost makes you forget how compromised Margo's position is. It feels like things are going to get crazy in the last four episodes. Let me know what you think.
I still recall season 4's trailer, where Ed goes "...with a blast of glory" or something. Still convinced Ed will martyr himself so that rock can fly to earth somehow
Did one of the James Bond movies fail in this universe and is the reason why they don't make them anymore? Something rings a bell but I don't get why that joke would ever fail
I think Apple has made a good habit of committing to the full run of the shows they make. Much more selective about what they make, but give the product and viewer more respect than Netflix
This episode was unironically hilarious. In Miles story, an American takes over a Russian black market operation using North Korean muscle. In Ed's story, a hero of American capitalism becomes a figure head for a worker's revolution, not because he had a change in values but simply because he wasnt getting his way. I dont know how yall could finish the episode without laughing maniacally
I’ve worked in a unionized job and I’ve heard the stories of managers who’ve been screwed over who give the union info for revenge on the higher ups. During one negotiation our union was given inside info anonymously, but everyone knew who it came from. So Ed’s turn didn’t seem far fetched to me. Miles only got the muscle because he probably promised that he could get that guy’s wife to mars. We’ll see if he can come through because if he doesn’t the Koreans will take it out on him.
After re-watching some season 1 episodes, the current Aleida-Margo relationship is sort of similar to von Braun-Margo relationship, the mentee being angry at/disappointed with the mentor.
this is true and a great moment when Margo Brings up Regret to ALeida , at this very moment it reminded me of Margo's relationship with her Mentor and her Refusal to understand he did not have a choice he was just trying to survive his situation, Now Margo is in a SImilar positon for tyrin to do the right thing .she will be disliked by everyone like her mentor and she Regrets how she could/did not meet her mentor with any understanding
Really loved this episode. The meeting of the traitor Margo and Alieda was fantastic and an outstanding performance.
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I somewhat like Margo since the beginning and don’t see her as a traitor. I see her as an engineer who has made bad decisions. She is a very complex character with always surprises.
Don't understand this scene at all. Aleida truly believes that the right choice for Margo was to surrender to american authorities? And how her PTSD was connected with Margo? She thougt that she was dead and angry that Margo didn't somehow tell her she is not? Well surprise, Margo simply can't did it obviously. So that scene was very strange to me. What the choice did Margo had that Aleida talked about? There was no choice at all. And Margo by the will of writers was just silenced all time. Why? What kind of guilt she felt? She is not guilty in anything to Aleida.
Kostya - Margo was trapped by her initial choice to share knowledge with the Soviets. Once she’d crossed that line, there was no going back. The writers did masterful job, beginning in season 2 how Margo’s treachery began as mere professional courtesy - the first info that she shared related to a critical safety issue with the Soviet shuttle.
@@paulkerrigan4051 her choice was to save the people with the knowledge she had. If Aleida pointed at this choice than I still dont understand her. Margo wanted to save her soviet "friend" and soviet cosmonauts that is a noble choice and Aleida with her selfish attitude can complain to someone else
Does the thought of redirecting an asteroid towards Earth with a very short window to do so not cause red flags to any of the M-7? The most recent big asteroid to hit the planet was the 1908 Tunguska asteroid and it was only 75m big and hit with the force of several nuclear explosions in Siberia. A 1km asteroid would absolutely decimate Earth if (or rather when considering FAM's track record) something messes up.
The strike stuff is gonna be interesting in how it affects all the other storylines. I can see the Soviets playing some weird role where they back the workers but it goes awry. The next episode is gonna tell me where this season is gonna end up I hope. Four Episodes left and they have to wrap up the Old Guard stories, setup the next generation, do something with the asteroid, unionize and shakeup things enough on Earth that they can play into season 5. A lot to do but they're gonna get it done.
The scientists/engineers of FAM are fine, as far as it goes, but can we have one CPA/Economist character?. Aleida’s comments on ROI don’t take i to account the inevitable collapse in the price of iridium! 😁
Yep as William said if you put a price floor, say one where the USSR can still make a decent amount of money, and get access to those other raw materials they want they will be happy. Those who want the iridium will scream bloody murder but if the top governments agree to the price there is not much anyone can do but pay, or look for different sources that undercut the designated space price.
Aleida’s reaction to Margot really shot an arrow into my heart. Not only did she have PTSD, but was deeply mourning her mentor, her champion, her friend. But knowing her background as an immigrant into the USA, she can’t accept that Margot chose to defect to Russia for a person whose destiny was f**ked anyway it went down. Margot was played, she fell for the Russian scheme, & chose them over the US & her friends. Great scene!!!
Don't understand this scene at all. Aleida truly believes that the right choice for Margo was to surrender to american authorities? And how her PTSD was connected with Margo? She thougt that she was dead and angry that Margo didn't somehow tell her she is not? Well surprise, Margo simply can't did it obviously. So that scene was very strange to me. What the choice did Margo had that Aleida talked about? There was no choice at all. And Margo by the will of writers was just silenced all time. Why? What kind of guilt she felt? She is not guilty in anything to Aleida.
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Life in prison or life in the USSR as space scientist advisor? Margot made the right choice people, don't kid yourselves.
I thought it a bit weak that Margo didn't brief Irina on the amount of vehicles required and the probable cost earlier. She had informed her of the estimated timeline for ROI so surely a dollar estimate would've been part of that report.
I didn't buy Aleida's argument. Margo had her reasons for giving away secrets to the Soviets, but at a certain point jail time was inevitable if truth had come to light. Margo wanted to continue her work. That was her vision. In the same way it takes us back full circle to her relationship with Wernher von Braun in season 1. She was so critical of Wernher. Now she can understand how Wernher was forced to sacrifice everything for his vision of going into space even though it meant living with slave labor and worker abuse under the Nazi regime.
I have a feeling that the initial Aleida-Margo scene was unscripted, that they just put the actors in the situation and let them improvise. If so, it was brilliantly executed by both actors.
In the TV series “For All Mankind,” I don’t observe an extinction event. However, it’s possible that a fragment could break loose and cause devastation to a country on Earth-likely a minor one. This sets the stage for the next season, where an international organization or pact (expanding the M-7 alliance) forms to prevent such an incident from recurring. Meanwhile, third countries may develop a justifiable grudge against the space superpowers due to their carelessness.
Actually the Iraq war cost was closer to between $5-6 Trillion thanks to the fact that Bush didn't pay for it (he never increased taxes to pay for the war costs which every president that's taken the country to war in history prior to him has had to do - otherise it effs up your govt. budget balancing ), and to make it even worse, he never put it on the books for the entire period of his presidency after the war (6 years). Which means by the time Obama got into office and they discovered that gigantic hole in the budget, and had to put the war costs in the books (under his administration's costing, which was unfair), the cost by time accounting for inflation and interest payments had ballooned to almost triple the original and named cost. It's like if you buy a car but defer or stop paying the car payments for a long time, by the time you get back to paying for it, your total costs will have increased over what you would have paid had you just paid for it outright at the offset, thanks to how they charge interest for the unpaid periods. That's obviously why Lease-to-Buy sales models are such a lucrative business model for everyone from car dealerships, to home sellers (incluing bank loaners and mortgage institutions) and a financial killer for buyers who delay and defer their payments or are otherwise generally late with those payments. You never defer what you can pay today, to pay for it tomorrow because you'll always be paying more for it. That's the Iraq war in a nutshell
Writers aren't missing at all. Watching seasons 1-3 I couldn't help but question some decisions in the writing department, especially in the 2nd and 3rd seasons. However, I don't think I really have any complaints at all about this season. The only scene that I kinda thought was a miss was the miles EVA scene where he got stranded with no consequences. Besides that, this is a rock solid season so far and I'd likely even be satisfied if this was the final season, however we still likely have 1-2 seasons to go.
Miles is not quite Danny level of annoying, I can at least understand his motovations better. Loved the scene where Margo is trying to pass on info, and Irina is efectively telling both of the other women they don't work for NASA. I felt the reunion was very true for both characters. And, I think, like you, I am more interested in Earth than Mars.
Great video, as usual, Pete. I guess I am like a lot of your viewers who really dislike the Miles story line. It was ok when it started but it’s gone over board. But I guess the show always has one crazy somewhat unpopular arc. On the other hand the Margo/Alida sorry line was the complete opposite. You knew this meeting was coming once Alida was going to Moscow. The way they pulled this off is Emmy worthy. Truly fantastic. And Coral Peña just knocked it out of the park. Her emotions ran the gamut of pure joy to complete disappointment and almost disgust. It was truly emotional to watch. It’s hard to feel for Margo but I kinda did. Because we know what she did, in the beginning anyways was for a good reason. Can’t wait for the rest of the season.
interesting as this show holds my attention like no other but i just can’t get into the expanse no matter how hard i try. i really want to like it as it seems fairly interesting but i’ve tried 3 times to watch the show and by now i just feel like i gotta give it a long break so i thoroughly forget the first few eps and can rewatch better
@@CFronTVI used to watch the first season of Expanse to fall asleep. I was only a third of the way through the first season after weeks and weeks of watching it and then falling asleep-I kid you not. Then I got freaking hooked and watched all of seasons 2 and 3 in about a weekend. It’s one of my best shows ever.
I'm just happy that one of the upper deck officers just walked in totally aware of the Speak Easy Bar. There is no way in that environment and a space that small that none of them would know what was going on. I was so close to calling total bullshit that it was actually secret.
nah I feel like he serves his purpose but the writers are making too much out of his storyline unnecessarily. He isn’t a mobster he should stay in the working class role.
Thats what is cool about Miles, his drive is the strongest in the show as of right now, and the fact that it is a closed environment means the tension will only build higher, which means there will be a higher payoff. I hope he is not a 1 season and done character.@@salutic.7544
My first thoughts exactly. Also, I rather dislike Miloś/Miles. But in this episode, man, as you described, he's causing an uneasy atmosphere and it brings along negative feelings. Bringing more tension to happy valley is not a bad idea. They storylines surely will cross paths up there soon
I'm guessing it's to show how this "for all mankind" endeavor has been corrupted with the juxtaposition between his bunkmate. where his desperation basically made him go the self serving bootlegger route, she's been gone the "power to the little guy" route
Miles as a kingpin was not on my radar! Does Ed know his daughter & grandson are on their way to Mars? His causing trouble seemed too selfish & vindictive. I'm wondering if Goldilocks will miss orbit and become a threat to Earth.
"What could go wrong?". That brought memories of the intro of an old video game called Allegiance (yeah, it is old). That intro can tell what could go wrong, heheh. There´s a good version of it here called "Allegiance Intro HD Remaster"
The biggest plot hole is that the idea you do the whole project based on the back of the envelop calc that the current price of a element and extrapolate it will stay the same forever and there will be demand forever despite technological change
What I wanted from the series was to have dropped the cold war plot entirely. US and USSR under one umbrella. Have a workers revolt on Mars, and Mars becomes a new independent player. The N. Koreas are the muscle and black market source for Mars (they can work around any embargos or sanctions). And with the USSR stepping down, N Korea moves shop from earth to Mars. Mars workers are free but now have this growing N. Korea appendage ... which now I think about it could be a new cold war but on Mars. And if I squint really hard, it's kind of looking like it's maybe going in that direction??
Miles is breaking bad. I did not see that coming, and I can't help but wonder how oversized he will become, and then how long before he is taken down as Mars' biggest organized crime lord - and by whom? It's a real can of worms from the writing department and I cannot figure out how the worm will turn. The Margo - Aleida reunion was beautiful and tragic. Wrenn Schmidt keeps me tuning in ASAP as I'm fascinated by, repelled and sympathetic with her arc. She's built the whole ROSCosmos character set up around herself. Wonderful performances by all but I have my favorite.
I've always maintained that Ilya's "secret" black market operation was not so secret but tolerated by the authorities. Miles taking over was a surprise but the story's not completely implausible. I mean on Earth, Ilya would have extensive mob connections and be able to enforce his control but on Mars? Likely not a lot of Russian thugs to choose from.
I know it’s the holidays, but I hope your breakdown for Fargo S5 E6 is in the works. Loving this season and still a little bummed you didn’t cover the 2 episode premiere
I didn’t quite buy the whole Bubba Gump turns into Godfather routine with his Kim Jong Il wise guys. I wouldn’t think Ilya would roll over so easily. Kind of looking forward to some Russian upcomance on this track.
Oh definitely not the last of it. And since the Soviets don't have the muscle to go toe to toe expect something coming from sideways. Reporting the beating as unprovoked to get the NKs ordered to be isolated to their unit, going after Miles family etc.
Yeah the Miles storyline is a bit weak. They spend too much time on him. There is nothing there. It would be okay if they had 22 episodes per season, like shows in the old days, but there are only 10 episodes and spending time on the Miles storyline is a waste of time.
I think you missed the connection between Margo saying in her defection speech NASA became more about making profit than valuing human life and bettering mankind and the situation with Helios exploiting its workers on Mars (and on the moon).
The best episode of the series so far! Ed's attitude rocked! Miles' come back was amazing to see! - surprisingly the best new character of the show! Margo coming back was both amazing and moving! (We often forget how selfless she is... And now she's feeling everything that Von Braun felt in Season 1). Dani's gonna need Ed's help to solve everything up there... Still curious about what Dev's response's gonna be... And Kelly has both Ed and Dani's ears, she also's gonna be key on the next episodes 😉👌🏻
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I like the change of Ed who got not very sympathetic in the last episodes. And that makes this season so good. You get surprised in every episode.
Calling it now just a guess but the workers strike the day Dev gets there and thats the big accident for this season maybe resulting in Ed to stop being pouty and save his daughter and grandson similar to Gordo and Tracey
I have a subtle feeling about my prediction but if I'm wrong I'm sure it'll be just as interesting. I should correct it and say that there'll be some issue with landing or while getting to Mars that requires help from the ground but they'll not care do to the pay and Ed will see that his supporting of the Union might lead to his daughters death
Knowing Margo is alive and switched sides and is now working with Soviets space program would hinder its ability to work with the NASA. NASA knew she gave away US secrets to the Soviets, putting Margo in a critical position with the Soviets Space program would be an insult to US.
a perfect phrase to describe ED BALDWIN AND MARGO MEDISON: “You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain” I just hope they will redeem themselves, and he can sacrifice himself to save Mars or Earth from the asteroid, which will certainly become a threat to Mars or Earth and I bet Ed will sacrifice himself to save everyone. Margo on the other hand, I bet that in the future you will understand that what you are doing is wrong and you are serving a negative regime and you will decide to sacrifice yourself by bringing out some scandal that will contribute to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
It is an elegant episode showing that eventually things are pulled down to earth. But redirecting and asteroid to earth is not a good option safety wise.
I honestly wish the writers had just had Miles resign and go their separate ways and THEN had him do his Mars rocks business cuz that would have been more honorable.
I wish the show gave us more space and Mars exploration especially since the visuals are so well done but I understand it's less a show about space travel and more a show about the political and social implications of an ongoing space race.
I see more and more parallels with Kim Stanley Robinson’s epic Mars Trilogy. Specifically, the interests of Mars and Earth are rapidly diverging. If the asteroid is diverted to Earth, then this is bad for Mars in terms of political power and economic growth. I feel as though Mars will push back. Specifically, Dev will push back.
As always, I am confused. The Soviet Union had nothing to do with the terrorist bombing of the JSC, right? So, if Margo had been in her office at the time of the attack, banging away on the piano or whatnot, she’d be dead, right? I get the traitor part. I assume I’d be an American taxpayer in this alternate timeline and I would be really pissed knowing American tech was passed along to the Russkies just ‘cause Sergei was gonna take a long walk off a short pier. My favorite part of this episode? Helios had to sit at a teeny-tiny table, away from the big dogs at the M7 conference. Like when you were a child at Thanksgiving and all the adults sat at the big table and you and your cousins from Lake Forest sat at the kids’ table…
Oh no the cold war nerds and space nerds converged on one episode. Now if they's show us the inside of the soviet ships, i think peoples heads would explode. lol.
Man this season has absolutely slapped! Nearly every storyline is banger! And ya there hasn’t been much space shit, I also love the political intrigue as we finally got full time players.
The problem I have with the show at the current stage, is that it is no longer a space related show. It was in season 1. In season 2 it was completely idiotic on every single level. Season 3 was meh, but it was at least space and exploration related. In season 4, they didn't get the scale right, the feel, anything. It is your classic soap opera show that just happens to be taking place in a set that you've been told is Mars. I don't get the feeling that I am watching a bunch of people on a different planet, going through struggles of living on the final frontier. And that is bad for a show like this. It didn't sell the feeling, the setting. It might as well all be happening somewhere on Earth in some mining town - at least that is how characters act. It is just melodrama that has some space scenery in the background, this is not a space related show for quite some time. Compared to the Expanse, that many people are commenting this being the spiritual prequel of, remember how environment, the fact that things are in space, over vast distances, played a role in storytelling? You still got your various stories, both personal and grand scale, happening - but they were happening IN SPACE. Space was practically another cast member, it wasn't a slap-on scenery in the background. And THAT is what made that show great. FAM simply can't grapple with that. They don't know how to do it. It is not a money thing, Apple has money to buy a sovereign country if they want to, it is a competency thing.
Cool summary as ever Pete. While watching I was considering that maybe Alieda thought that the Russians blew up the Johnson Space Centre to cover up Margos escape to Russia, what you think?
I kept waiting to have that clarified. But then, those responsible were identified and Danny’s brother collaborated the terror attack. So, Aleida would know it wasn’t the Russians but it’s the Russians.
I couldn't help but wonder that Margo's speech about greed and 'capitalism' was at the same time Helios was being greedy with their salaries and bonuses. Maybe some of the disaffected workers will look up to her?
Well, the show just took an interesting turn in the last scene of the Episode 7. It almost saved the entire mediocre-bad season in one one minute scene. It is actually the FIRST time in 4 seasons that there was actually a smart piece of writing and that I did not foresee. Congrats for that. I just wish previous 36 episodes had at least 10% of that competency.
I definitely don’t hate Miles as much as Jimmy and Danny. Miles is trying to provide for his family. He’s trying to get his life back. He’s not motivated by uuuuh…. weird shit. I understand where he’s coming from.
at this point the Mile story line is the one I'm least interested with , I'm just looking fwd if he is gonna die due to his greed and bad decision making
This show aims at a realistic science-based alternate future but it just a soap opera in disguise, full of over the top melodrama The tantrums between Baldwin and Danielle are super cringe The relationship between Margo and Aleida is ridiculously bizarre so the Nasa director defected to Russia just hours before terrorists blew up the Nasa HQ? How does that make any sense and in 5 minutes they decide to bring an asteroid from mars to earth??? LMAO
Well, to be honest, the Mars storyline is boring - a remarkable achievement to make working on another planet appear dull - And are we really expected to believe that no one senior in his company would pick up how poor Ed is performing? The drug culture that runs through this show does not sit well with the NASA/military culture that would exist- agenda perhaps? Do enjoy the Margo storyline with Aleida (a remarkable actress). The lack of surface activity (Moon, Mars) or transit space looks like an economy measure - compared to the seasons before.
If they would literally cut miles out of the story completely it would be better. I couldn’t care less about his story in the first place, and the direction they took his story in this episode was…confusing at best! His story continuously ruins the atmosphere and huge moments of the show that the otherwise phenomenal writing and acting are creating. I hope there’s at least some massive twist maybe that happens in his SL the last 4 eps of the season
Ed Baldwin being a jerk yet again. He proved early on in the season he doesn’t give a crap about the maintenance workers when he blew off Miles. Now that he can use their cause to make trouble he is all in. Way last time he was retired and sent back to Earth.
I’ve never liked the Miles storyline. If he was that entrepreneurial, he never would have been in his dire earth predicament. It seriously begs credulity. Series is starting to lose me. Why is Ed Stiil there. A good leader would have shipped him home already. No leader wants the old one hanging around, especially with the reason for Ed’s replacement.
I agree, I almost dislike Miles as a character. He seems just off for the things he is dong. I think this whole series have been feeling a little off to me since the coup in the Soviet Union went, like one other YT channel says, "Super easy, barely an inconvenience". Also this whole unionizing thing is brought totally only from American perspective. People coming from socialist and European countries would´ve definitely already set up an union. Especially as Helios is a union busting company and it is already known that they do not care about their workers that much.
Space elevators are hard to build due to exceeding limits of bulk material tensile strength, their extreme resource requirements, the horrific results if they fail, and they require a unified economic/political/risk acceptance effort planetwide. As such, they are about the same idea as the iridium asteroid redirection/mining, but a thousandfold more difficult on all those dimensions. So, I would be surprised to see them in this show's story arc.
@@JamesPerkins Ehh my thoughts on it was that it would make it more efficient with a space elevator, for long term mining on a scale of the size they are talking about, vs long term fuel costs and what not. But I get what you are saying and I agree about the hurdles involved with it. But I think that it be more efficient in the long run.
@paulkerrigan4051 I think it was a sign of her political astuteness. She was careful not to sound too smart, if she repeated every word margo said than it could raise eyebrows given that she is not an engineer
@Dr.LongMonkey she's not playing dumb with Margo obviously, she has no need to. She playing coy with whoever she's negotiating with. Always make your aponant underestimate you
Spoiler alert, they divert the asteroid toward earth but lose control of it and it's going to hit Earth and destroy it. ... And that's how the season ends.
Okay one thing the show is doing that is pissing me off. The fact that there has been little to no mention of the Chinese. I was hoping they would get involved at some point, but if there’s no mention of them in regards to the goldilocks asteroid, then I see no reason why there ever will be. Which means Apple is most likely trying to avoid the show being banned there.
Like North Korea last season, I’m pretty sure they will have some role near the end of the season. They were mentioned to have an established space program in the past and I don’t think they would pass up an opportunity to not get a slice of that iridium pie.
Not a big fan of the Martian Mafia subplot. I knew I wasn't really gonna like Miles from the first trailer but wow they really can't do anything right with this character. Just feels so off and disjointed when compared to the rest of the story.
A too smart of a move for an apparently dumb Miles. It feels off. Painting the summy worker imagine throughout the season, and now he's suddenly becoming a mobster? This couldn't have been hiw own idea, it reeks of North Korean influence, just to give it credibility. Lets see where this is going with Miles Corleone
Margo and Aleida are such Mary Sue characters. The men of Helios made a plan that would require thousands of ships and take decades before completion. But these two women, in just a few hours they can come up with a better, faster, cheaper plan. That meeting where the idea of dragging the asteroid to Earth was discussed, was also very badly written. Margo giving advice to Irina through an earpiece, and then Irina occasionaly talking to Margo instead of the people in the room, it was weird. It must have been obvious to the others that Irina was doing something behind their back but they just ignored it.
I absolutely HATE this show! I hate ALL of the characters and I hate the writing. .... But, I also, absolutely love to 'hate-watch' it!! 😀 I love it whenever f'ed up sh*t happens (which is often), to these fictional people. LOL😅
Something happening with the asteroid causing it to head toward Earth is so obvious I almost expect a twist. This was a good Irina episode that almost makes you forget how compromised Margo's position is. It feels like things are going to get crazy in the last four episodes. Let me know what you think.
Why else bring up all the nukes? But I feel the twist is coming with Lee's wife.
I still recall season 4's trailer, where Ed goes "...with a blast of glory" or something.
Still convinced Ed will martyr himself so that rock can fly to earth somehow
The Margo and Aleida reunion scene was amazing!! The depth of their acting, wow
Ed’s shaken not stirred joke was lost however haha 🍸
I nearly pissed myself hahahaha
Did one of the James Bond movies fail in this universe and is the reason why they don't make them anymore? Something rings a bell but I don't get why that joke would ever fail
The best show on television just keeps getting better. I fervently hope that AppleTV renews FAM so it runs the full planned seven seasons.
It is a very complex season and you cannot anticipate what will happen next.
I think Apple has made a good habit of committing to the full run of the shows they make. Much more selective about what they make, but give the product and viewer more respect than Netflix
Ed’s comment on the “cinnamon mouse ass” had me on the floor 😂😂😭
A connoisseur's connoisseur
Viewing this show feels incomplete until watching Pete’s breakdown.
Extraordinary performances from Wrenn Schmidt and Coral Peña - bravo!
This episode was unironically hilarious. In Miles story, an American takes over a Russian black market operation using North Korean muscle. In Ed's story, a hero of American capitalism becomes a figure head for a worker's revolution, not because he had a change in values but simply because he wasnt getting his way. I dont know how yall could finish the episode without laughing maniacally
I’ve worked in a unionized job and I’ve heard the stories of managers who’ve been screwed over who give the union info for revenge on the higher ups. During one negotiation our union was given inside info anonymously, but everyone knew who it came from. So Ed’s turn didn’t seem far fetched to me. Miles only got the muscle because he probably promised that he could get that guy’s wife to mars. We’ll see if he can come through because if he doesn’t the Koreans will take it out on him.
After re-watching some season 1 episodes, the current Aleida-Margo relationship is sort of similar to von Braun-Margo relationship, the mentee being angry at/disappointed with the mentor.
this is true and a great moment when Margo Brings up Regret to ALeida , at this very moment it reminded me of Margo's relationship with her Mentor and her Refusal to understand he did not have a choice he was just trying to survive his situation, Now Margo is in a SImilar positon for tyrin to do the right thing .she will be disliked by everyone like her mentor and she Regrets how she could/did not meet her mentor with any understanding
Margo is Aleida’s Von Braun!
Yes! I almost shouted this aloud at my tv. 😅
Specifically, see episodes 1.2 and 1.6, where the protege confronts the mentor about his choices. Nothing changes……
Really loved this episode. The meeting of the traitor Margo and Alieda was fantastic and an outstanding performance.
I somewhat like Margo since the beginning and don’t see her as a traitor. I see her as an engineer who has made bad decisions. She is a very complex character with always surprises.
@Nah, she betrayed her country for some red D. What a loser.
I like Margo too. But she covertly leaked secret information to an adversary and then defected to that adversary. She’s literally a traitor.
@@paulkerrigan4051 Ok, I agree. I didn't properly understand the expression «traitor».
The Aleida and Margo reunion was perfect, the writers r cooking w this season imo
Don't understand this scene at all. Aleida truly believes that the right choice for Margo was to surrender to american authorities? And how her PTSD was connected with Margo? She thougt that she was dead and angry that Margo didn't somehow tell her she is not? Well surprise, Margo simply can't did it obviously. So that scene was very strange to me. What the choice did Margo had that Aleida talked about? There was no choice at all. And Margo by the will of writers was just silenced all time. Why? What kind of guilt she felt? She is not guilty in anything to Aleida.
Kostya - Margo was trapped by her initial choice to share knowledge with the Soviets. Once she’d crossed that line, there was no going back. The writers did masterful job, beginning in season 2 how Margo’s treachery began as mere professional courtesy - the first info that she shared related to a critical safety issue with the Soviet shuttle.
@@paulkerrigan4051 her choice was to save the people with the knowledge she had. If Aleida pointed at this choice than I still dont understand her. Margo wanted to save her soviet "friend" and soviet cosmonauts that is a noble choice and Aleida with her selfish attitude can complain to someone else
"Progress is never free, there's always a cost"
Ed does sometimes like to throw a brick through the window
Does the thought of redirecting an asteroid towards Earth with a very short window to do so not cause red flags to any of the M-7? The most recent big asteroid to hit the planet was the 1908 Tunguska asteroid and it was only 75m big and hit with the force of several nuclear explosions in Siberia. A 1km asteroid would absolutely decimate Earth if (or rather when considering FAM's track record) something messes up.
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South african here. Couldn't agree more! Best analysis on the interwebz
The strike stuff is gonna be interesting in how it affects all the other storylines. I can see the Soviets playing some weird role where they back the workers but it goes awry. The next episode is gonna tell me where this season is gonna end up I hope. Four Episodes left and they have to wrap up the Old Guard stories, setup the next generation, do something with the asteroid, unionize and shakeup things enough on Earth that they can play into season 5.
A lot to do but they're gonna get it done.
North Korea mafia wasn't on my list but... well here we are.
The scientists/engineers of FAM are fine, as far as it goes, but can we have one CPA/Economist character?. Aleida’s comments on ROI don’t take i to account the inevitable collapse in the price of iridium! 😁
Not if you control the price and commodity. There’s no more iridium
Yep as William said if you put a price floor, say one where the USSR can still make a decent amount of money, and get access to those other raw materials they want they will be happy. Those who want the iridium will scream bloody murder but if the top governments agree to the price there is not much anyone can do but pay, or look for different sources that undercut the designated space price.
Aleida’s reaction to Margot really shot an arrow into my heart. Not only did she have PTSD, but was deeply mourning her mentor, her champion, her friend. But knowing her background as an immigrant into the USA, she can’t accept that Margot chose to defect to Russia for a person whose destiny was f**ked anyway it went down. Margot was played, she fell for the Russian scheme, & chose them over the US & her friends. Great scene!!!
Don't understand this scene at all. Aleida truly believes that the right choice for Margo was to surrender to american authorities? And how her PTSD was connected with Margo? She thougt that she was dead and angry that Margo didn't somehow tell her she is not? Well surprise, Margo simply can't did it obviously. So that scene was very strange to me. What the choice did Margo had that Aleida talked about? There was no choice at all. And Margo by the will of writers was just silenced all time. Why? What kind of guilt she felt? She is not guilty in anything to Aleida.
Life in prison or life in the USSR as space scientist advisor? Margot made the right choice people, don't kid yourselves.
"Shaken, not stirred"
Guess we can assume Bond never got popular in this timeline.
Love Ed in this episode. I had to replay some of his scenes and lines because they were too good. I wonder how many more seasons we get of him.
Haha I was trying to find a place to slip that into the script and realized why it bombed so thoroughly for Ed
I thought it a bit weak that Margo didn't brief Irina on the amount of vehicles required and the probable cost earlier. She had informed her of the estimated timeline for ROI so surely a dollar estimate would've been part of that report.
This is an excellent point.
I didn't buy Aleida's argument. Margo had her reasons for giving away secrets to the Soviets, but at a certain point jail time was inevitable if truth had come to light. Margo wanted to continue her work. That was her vision. In the same way it takes us back full circle to her relationship with Wernher von Braun in season 1. She was so critical of Wernher. Now she can understand how Wernher was forced to sacrifice everything for his vision of going into space even though it meant living with slave labor and worker abuse under the Nazi regime.
I have a feeling that the initial Aleida-Margo scene was unscripted, that they just put the actors in the situation and let them improvise. If so, it was brilliantly executed by both actors.
I'm hoping the asteroid capture goes awry and it slams into the Earth. Figuring out how to survive that would truly be For All Mankind.
wow, that would be pretty crazy. I bet that is going to happen. Things are going to well at the moment
I was wondering about this, too. The lust for greed to mine the asteroid by directing it towards earth just screams to be asking for an ELE.
In the TV series “For All Mankind,” I don’t observe an extinction event. However, it’s possible that a fragment could break loose and cause devastation to a country on Earth-likely a minor one. This sets the stage for the next season, where an international organization or pact (expanding the M-7 alliance) forms to prevent such an incident from recurring. Meanwhile, third countries may develop a justifiable grudge against the space superpowers due to their carelessness.
What's the size of the asteroid and would it be ultimately cheaper to have it crash into the ocean than trying to mine it in space?
Really wild. Hard to say where it’s going.
This episode was good ... I was waiting for this explanatory video, Thanks for uploading.
Actually the Iraq war cost was closer to between $5-6 Trillion thanks to the fact that Bush didn't pay for it (he never increased taxes to pay for the war costs which every president that's taken the country to war in history prior to him has had to do - otherise it effs up your govt. budget balancing ), and to make it even worse, he never put it on the books for the entire period of his presidency after the war (6 years).
Which means by the time Obama got into office and they discovered that gigantic hole in the budget, and had to put the war costs in the books (under his administration's costing, which was unfair), the cost by time accounting for inflation and interest payments had ballooned to almost triple the original and named cost.
It's like if you buy a car but defer or stop paying the car payments for a long time, by the time you get back to paying for it, your total costs will have increased over what you would have paid had you just paid for it outright at the offset, thanks to how they charge interest for the unpaid periods.
That's obviously why Lease-to-Buy sales models are such a lucrative business model for everyone from car dealerships, to home sellers (incluing bank loaners and mortgage institutions) and a financial killer for buyers who delay and defer their payments or are otherwise generally late with those payments.
You never defer what you can pay today, to pay for it tomorrow because you'll always be paying more for it.
That's the Iraq war in a nutshell
Writers aren't missing at all. Watching seasons 1-3 I couldn't help but question some decisions in the writing department, especially in the 2nd and 3rd seasons. However, I don't think I really have any complaints at all about this season. The only scene that I kinda thought was a miss was the miles EVA scene where he got stranded with no consequences. Besides that, this is a rock solid season so far and I'd likely even be satisfied if this was the final season, however we still likely have 1-2 seasons to go.
Miles is not quite Danny level of annoying, I can at least understand his motovations better. Loved the scene where Margo is trying to pass on info, and Irina is efectively telling both of the other women they don't work for NASA. I felt the reunion was very true for both characters. And, I think, like you, I am more interested in Earth than Mars.
Great video, as usual, Pete. I guess I am like a lot of your viewers who really dislike the Miles story line. It was ok when it started but it’s gone over board. But I guess the show always has one crazy somewhat unpopular arc. On the other hand the Margo/Alida sorry line was the complete opposite. You knew this meeting was coming once Alida was going to Moscow. The way they pulled this off is Emmy worthy. Truly fantastic. And Coral Peña just knocked it out of the park. Her emotions ran the gamut of pure joy to complete disappointment and almost disgust. It was truly emotional to watch. It’s hard to feel for Margo but I kinda did. Because we know what she did, in the beginning anyways was for a good reason. Can’t wait for the rest of the season.
Excellent episode. Shows no matter how far you go from earth. The same problems we have here will follow.
This show is slowly turning into a prequel to The Expanse.
interesting as this show holds my attention like no other but i just can’t get into the expanse no matter how hard i try. i really want to like it as it seems fairly interesting but i’ve tried 3 times to watch the show and by now i just feel like i gotta give it a long break so i thoroughly forget the first few eps and can rewatch better
@@CFronTVthe Expanse starts off kinda slow....but if you give it a full season you may get hooked...
@@CFronTVagreed I have tried the expanse more than once and can never get into it
@@CFronTVI used to watch the first season of Expanse to fall asleep. I was only a third of the way through the first season after weeks and weeks of watching it and then falling asleep-I kid you not. Then I got freaking hooked and watched all of seasons 2 and 3 in about a weekend. It’s one of my best shows ever.
@@atasteofreality609See my reply to the guy above. Just grit your teeth and get through the first season.
I'm just happy that one of the upper deck officers just walked in totally aware of the Speak Easy Bar. There is no way in that environment and a space that small that none of them would know what was going on. I was so close to calling total bullshit that it was actually secret.
Miles is totally annoying and is creating a dangerous atmosphere in a closed environment. He is over his head. I Truly dislike this story line.
nah I feel like he serves his purpose but the writers are making too much out of his storyline unnecessarily. He isn’t a mobster he should stay in the working class role.
Thats what is cool about Miles, his drive is the strongest in the show as of right now, and the fact that it is a closed environment means the tension will only build higher, which means there will be a higher payoff. I hope he is not a 1 season and done character.@@salutic.7544
My first thoughts exactly. Also, I rather dislike Miloś/Miles.
But in this episode, man, as you described, he's causing an uneasy atmosphere and it brings along negative feelings.
Bringing more tension to happy valley is not a bad idea. They storylines surely will cross paths up there soon
I'm guessing it's to show how this "for all mankind" endeavor has been corrupted with the juxtaposition between his bunkmate. where his desperation basically made him go the self serving bootlegger route, she's been gone the "power to the little guy" route
Without him you don't see the black market or the "bad" taking place.
Miles as a kingpin was not on my radar! Does Ed know his daughter & grandson are on their way to Mars? His causing trouble seemed too selfish & vindictive. I'm wondering if Goldilocks will miss orbit and become a threat to Earth.
He watching them both in the shuttle ready to launch so he must know
9:38 "Does Ed know his daughter & grandson are on their way to Mars?"
He knows. Just more selfishness from Ed.
He'll be fired for sharing that salary info and sent home on the ship that delivers Kelly & Alex.
@@malalford I hope so. That would be the best-case scenario. It feels like he's creating a Lord of the Flies situation and someone will die.
"What could go wrong?". That brought memories of the intro of an old video game called Allegiance (yeah, it is old). That intro can tell what could go wrong, heheh. There´s a good version of it here called "Allegiance Intro HD Remaster"
I love Margo and Aleida
Pete Peppers Thank you for posting.
The biggest plot hole is that the idea you do the whole project based on the back of the envelop calc that the current price of a element and extrapolate it will stay the same forever and there will be demand forever despite technological change
This. :)
I just hope we don't get a surprise ending where we think Ed's cockiness is going to mess him.up, but ends up taking Danielle out, instead.
I fear that would probably happen.
What I wanted from the series was to have dropped the cold war plot entirely. US and USSR under one umbrella.
Have a workers revolt on Mars, and Mars becomes a new independent player. The N. Koreas are the muscle and black market source for Mars (they can work around any embargos or sanctions). And with the USSR stepping down, N Korea moves shop from earth to Mars. Mars workers are free but now have this growing N. Korea appendage ... which now I think about it could be a new cold war but on Mars.
And if I squint really hard, it's kind of looking like it's maybe going in that direction??
They claim independence and start a Martian Congressional Republic using a new fusion drive plan to prevent all out war with Earth
Love that idea
Miles is breaking bad. I did not see that coming, and I can't help but wonder how oversized he will become, and then how long before he is taken down as Mars' biggest organized crime lord - and by whom? It's a real can of worms from the writing department and I cannot figure out how the worm will turn.
The Margo - Aleida reunion was beautiful and tragic. Wrenn Schmidt keeps me tuning in ASAP as I'm fascinated by, repelled and sympathetic with her arc. She's built the whole ROSCosmos character set up around herself. Wonderful performances by all but I have my favorite.
I've always maintained that Ilya's "secret" black market operation was not so secret but tolerated by the authorities. Miles taking over was a surprise but the story's not completely implausible. I mean on Earth, Ilya would have extensive mob connections and be able to enforce his control but on Mars? Likely not a lot of Russian thugs to choose from.
I know it’s the holidays, but I hope your breakdown for Fargo S5 E6 is in the works. Loving this season and still a little bummed you didn’t cover the 2 episode premiere
was waiting for this! thanks pete!!!
I didn’t quite buy the whole Bubba Gump turns into Godfather routine with his Kim Jong Il wise guys. I wouldn’t think Ilya would roll over so easily. Kind of looking forward to some Russian upcomance on this track.
Oh definitely not the last of it. And since the Soviets don't have the muscle to go toe to toe expect something coming from sideways. Reporting the beating as unprovoked to get the NKs ordered to be isolated to their unit, going after Miles family etc.
yeah it was quite the switch-up. I have a hard time buying it too
Yeah the Miles storyline is a bit weak. They spend too much time on him. There is nothing there. It would be okay if they had 22 episodes per season, like shows in the old days, but there are only 10 episodes and spending time on the Miles storyline is a waste of time.
I think you missed the connection between Margo saying in her defection speech NASA became more about making profit than valuing human life and bettering mankind and the situation with Helios exploiting its workers on Mars (and on the moon).
The best episode of the series so far! Ed's attitude rocked! Miles' come back was amazing to see! - surprisingly the best new character of the show! Margo coming back was both amazing and moving! (We often forget how selfless she is... And now she's feeling everything that Von Braun felt in Season 1). Dani's gonna need Ed's help to solve everything up there... Still curious about what Dev's response's gonna be... And Kelly has both Ed and Dani's ears, she also's gonna be key on the next episodes 😉👌🏻
I like the change of Ed who got not very sympathetic in the last episodes. And that makes this season so good. You get surprised in every episode.
Calling it now just a guess but the workers strike the day Dev gets there and thats the big accident for this season maybe resulting in Ed to stop being pouty and save his daughter and grandson similar to Gordo and Tracey
I have a subtle feeling about my prediction but if I'm wrong I'm sure it'll be just as interesting. I should correct it and say that there'll be some issue with landing or while getting to Mars that requires help from the ground but they'll not care do to the pay and Ed will see that his supporting of the Union might lead to his daughters death
Knowing Margo is alive and switched sides and is now working with Soviets space program would hinder its ability to work with the NASA. NASA knew she gave away US secrets to the Soviets, putting Margo in a critical position with the Soviets Space program would be an insult to US.
a perfect phrase to describe ED BALDWIN AND MARGO MEDISON:
“You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain”
I just hope they will redeem themselves, and he can sacrifice himself to save Mars or Earth from the asteroid, which will certainly become a threat to Mars or Earth and I bet Ed will sacrifice himself to save everyone. Margo on the other hand, I bet that in the future you will understand that what you are doing is wrong and you are serving a negative regime and you will decide to sacrifice yourself by bringing out some scandal that will contribute to the collapse of the Soviet Union.
I gotta say, i love chaotic Ed
It sucks he's like that but it's fun to watch
It is an elegant episode showing that eventually things are pulled down to earth. But redirecting and asteroid to earth is not a good option safety wise.
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I honestly wish the writers had just had Miles resign and go their separate ways and THEN had him do his Mars rocks business cuz that would have been more honorable.
I wish the show gave us more space and Mars exploration especially since the visuals are so well done but I understand it's less a show about space travel and more a show about the political and social implications of an ongoing space race.
I agree with this. Feels like the show has had a budget cut this season. Still compelling, though!
I see more and more parallels with Kim Stanley Robinson’s epic Mars Trilogy. Specifically, the interests of Mars and Earth are rapidly diverging. If the asteroid is diverted to Earth, then this is bad for Mars in terms of political power and economic growth. I feel as though Mars will push back. Specifically, Dev will push back.
As always, I am confused. The Soviet Union had nothing to do with the terrorist bombing of the JSC, right? So, if Margo had been in her office at the time of the attack, banging away on the piano or whatnot, she’d be dead, right? I get the traitor part. I assume I’d be an American taxpayer in this alternate timeline and I would be really pissed knowing American tech was passed along to the Russkies just ‘cause Sergei was gonna take a long walk off a short pier. My favorite part of this episode? Helios had to sit at a teeny-tiny table, away from the big dogs at the M7 conference. Like when you were a child at Thanksgiving and all the adults sat at the big table and you and your cousins from Lake Forest sat at the kids’ table…
Alieda's room doesn't even have its own bathroom lol
The union stuff was clearly going to come out from Episode 1
Oh no the cold war nerds and space nerds converged on one episode. Now if they's show us the inside of the soviet ships, i think peoples heads would explode. lol.
Man this season has absolutely slapped! Nearly every storyline is banger! And ya there hasn’t been much space shit, I also love the political intrigue as we finally got full time players.
Ilya shoulda gone in with Miles on the rocks. His short sightedness cost him.
Beltalowda already up to no good.
miles the first belter
This is MARS!! Red Faction baby!!
The problem I have with the show at the current stage, is that it is no longer a space related show. It was in season 1. In season 2 it was completely idiotic on every single level. Season 3 was meh, but it was at least space and exploration related. In season 4, they didn't get the scale right, the feel, anything. It is your classic soap opera show that just happens to be taking place in a set that you've been told is Mars.
I don't get the feeling that I am watching a bunch of people on a different planet, going through struggles of living on the final frontier. And that is bad for a show like this. It didn't sell the feeling, the setting. It might as well all be happening somewhere on Earth in some mining town - at least that is how characters act. It is just melodrama that has some space scenery in the background, this is not a space related show for quite some time.
Compared to the Expanse, that many people are commenting this being the spiritual prequel of, remember how environment, the fact that things are in space, over vast distances, played a role in storytelling? You still got your various stories, both personal and grand scale, happening - but they were happening IN SPACE. Space was practically another cast member, it wasn't a slap-on scenery in the background.
And THAT is what made that show great.
FAM simply can't grapple with that. They don't know how to do it. It is not a money thing, Apple has money to buy a sovereign country if they want to, it is a competency thing.
ugh why must it be ed baldwin that convinces the workers to go on strike... it's gonna backfire because of him AGAIN.
their og bonuses were so small i was expecting 100k not 10k.
Happy Valley is turning into Battlestar Galactica… which I’m ok with,…
"Elvis was still skinny"... he's still alive in this alt history universe??
Cool summary as ever Pete.
While watching I was considering that maybe Alieda thought that the Russians blew up the Johnson Space Centre to cover up Margos escape to Russia, what you think?
I kept waiting to have that clarified. But then, those responsible were identified and Danny’s brother collaborated the terror attack. So, Aleida would know it wasn’t the Russians but it’s the Russians.
I also felt that it all sounded like the JSC exploded on a Soviet attack... 😅
Miles is becoming a villain. And what is up with the North Koreans? 🤔
A story line with a lot of potential.
Who else watched the unionisation scenes and thought... Anderson Station?
I´m thinking more of Red Faction ;)
I couldn't help but wonder that Margo's speech about greed and 'capitalism' was at the same time Helios was being greedy with their salaries and bonuses. Maybe some of the disaffected workers will look up to her?
Miles Will be the first Tycoon of Mars. He will be likened more to Rockefeller than Capone.
Well, the show just took an interesting turn in the last scene of the Episode 7. It almost saved the entire mediocre-bad season in one one minute scene. It is actually the FIRST time in 4 seasons that there was actually a smart piece of writing and that I did not foresee. Congrats for that. I just wish previous 36 episodes had at least 10% of that competency.
I definitely don’t hate Miles as much as Jimmy and Danny. Miles is trying to provide for his family. He’s trying to get his life back. He’s not motivated by uuuuh…. weird shit. I understand where he’s coming from.
at this point the Mile story line is the one I'm least interested with , I'm just looking fwd if he is gonna die due to his greed and bad decision making
This show aims at a realistic science-based alternate future but it just a soap opera in disguise, full of over the top melodrama
The tantrums between Baldwin and Danielle are super cringe
The relationship between Margo and Aleida is ridiculously bizarre
so the Nasa director defected to Russia just hours before terrorists blew up the Nasa HQ? How does that make any sense
and in 5 minutes they decide to bring an asteroid from mars to earth??? LMAO
Did it occur to you that the Russians might be responsible for the timing of the bombing?
Will there be a Martian Revolution ending with a King Ed Baldwin?
King Dev. Remember when Dev told his mother he was going to Mars, and would never return.
Well, to be honest, the Mars storyline is boring - a remarkable achievement to make working on another planet appear dull - And are we really expected to believe that no one senior in his company would pick up how poor Ed is performing?
The drug culture that runs through this show does not sit well with the NASA/military culture that would exist- agenda perhaps?
Do enjoy the Margo storyline with Aleida (a remarkable actress).
The lack of surface activity (Moon, Mars) or transit space looks like an economy measure - compared to the seasons before.
Anyone else think Margo has been playing a longer game?
If they would literally cut miles out of the story completely it would be better. I couldn’t care less about his story in the first place, and the direction they took his story in this episode was…confusing at best!
His story continuously ruins the atmosphere and huge moments of the show that the otherwise phenomenal writing and acting are creating. I hope there’s at least some massive twist maybe that happens in his SL the last 4 eps of the season
I didn’t really like this show until now. Glad I stuck with it.
Ed Baldwin being a jerk yet again. He proved early on in the season he doesn’t give a crap about the maintenance workers when he blew off Miles. Now that he can use their cause to make trouble he is all in. Way last time he was retired and sent back to Earth.
I’ve never liked the Miles storyline. If he was that entrepreneurial, he never would have been in his dire earth predicament. It seriously begs credulity. Series is starting to lose me. Why is Ed Stiil there. A good leader would have shipped him home already. No leader wants the old one hanging around, especially with the reason for Ed’s replacement.
I agree, I almost dislike Miles as a character. He seems just off for the things he is dong.
I think this whole series have been feeling a little off to me since the coup in the Soviet Union went, like one other YT channel says, "Super easy, barely an inconvenience".
Also this whole unionizing thing is brought totally only from American perspective. People coming from socialist and European countries would´ve definitely already set up an union. Especially as Helios is a union busting company and it is already known that they do not care about their workers that much.
Do you think that they will create space elevators after bringing the asteroid is sent to earth, and start mining it?
Space elevators are hard to build due to exceeding limits of bulk material tensile strength, their extreme resource requirements, the horrific results if they fail, and they require a unified economic/political/risk acceptance effort planetwide. As such, they are about the same idea as the iridium asteroid redirection/mining, but a thousandfold more difficult on all those dimensions. So, I would be surprised to see them in this show's story arc.
@@JamesPerkins Ehh my thoughts on it was that it would make it more efficient with a space elevator, for long term mining on a scale of the size they are talking about, vs long term fuel costs and what not. But I get what you are saying and I agree about the hurdles involved with it. But I think that it be more efficient in the long run.
@jestinjeffries9430 No argument there! It's a difficult sausage to make though.
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irena called it BART on purpose , it was a savy move
You think so? Wasn’t that line intended to show that she’s a political hack who’s out of her depth?
@paulkerrigan4051 I think it was a sign of her political astuteness. She was careful not to sound too smart, if she repeated every word margo said than it could raise eyebrows given that she is not an engineer
@Dr.LongMonkey she's not playing dumb with Margo obviously, she has no need to. She playing coy with whoever she's negotiating with. Always make your aponant underestimate you
That scene was badly written. Irina talked directly to Margo several times while the others could here it, but the other characters ignored it.
@TheRocco96 she only talked to margo twice and one of those times she was talking to both margo and aleda
I like miles personally 🤷🏻🤷🏻
Spoiler alert, they divert the asteroid toward earth but lose control of it and it's going to hit Earth and destroy it. ... And that's how the season ends.
asteroid will hit earth
makes for a great season finale.
Okay one thing the show is doing that is pissing me off. The fact that there has been little to no mention of the Chinese.
I was hoping they would get involved at some point, but if there’s no mention of them in regards to the goldilocks asteroid, then I see no reason why there ever will be.
Which means Apple is most likely trying to avoid the show being banned there.
China was one of the attending nations at the M7 summit. Did you miss it entirely?
@@vulc1 no they’re not. They’re not part of the M7.
@@vulc1 the season intro established that China and Canada decided to stay independent on space travel and we haven't heard from them since.
Like North Korea last season, I’m pretty sure they will have some role near the end of the season. They were mentioned to have an established space program in the past and I don’t think they would pass up an opportunity to not get a slice of that iridium pie.
N Korea is the stand in for China. Can’t piss off your manufacturers of phones
Not a big fan of the Martian Mafia subplot. I knew I wasn't really gonna like Miles from the first trailer but wow they really can't do anything right with this character. Just feels so off and disjointed when compared to the rest of the story.
I love it. He’s only there for the money. That means anything necessary
As corny as his plot is I imagine this would be happening...
A too smart of a move for an apparently dumb Miles. It feels off. Painting the summy worker imagine throughout the season, and now he's suddenly becoming a mobster? This couldn't have been hiw own idea, it reeks of North Korean influence, just to give it credibility. Lets see where this is going with Miles Corleone
Margo and Aleida are such Mary Sue characters. The men of Helios made a plan that would require thousands of ships and take decades before completion. But these two women, in just a few hours they can come up with a better, faster, cheaper plan.
That meeting where the idea of dragging the asteroid to Earth was discussed, was also very badly written. Margo giving advice to Irina through an earpiece, and then Irina occasionaly talking to Margo instead of the people in the room, it was weird. It must have been obvious to the others that Irina was doing something behind their back but they just ignored it.
I absolutely HATE this show! I hate ALL of the characters and I hate the writing. .... But, I also, absolutely love to 'hate-watch' it!! 😀 I love it whenever f'ed up sh*t happens (which is often), to these fictional people. LOL😅
From Day 1, I've never liked Alieda. always miserable, nothing is ever good enough for her. I really hope this season is the end of her character.
Meh. So much drama, so much only Americans know solutions. Maybe we'll get back to space next episode.