WESTWORLD Season 4 Episode 4 Breakdown & Ending Explained | Review, Easter Eggs, Theories And More
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- WESTWORLD Season 4 Episode 4 Breakdown & Ending Explained | Review, Easter Eggs, Theories And More. We breakdown, review, recap, explain and give lots of Theory Time over the new Westworld Episode titled 'Generation Gap.' What's going on with Caleb? Bernard? The New Park? The Flies? Hale? Let's talk about it.
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Welcome to the Heavy Spoilers show i'm your host Paul and it's time to pull your head out the sand and get with the programme cos there's a lot to talk about with Westworld.
Season 4 has just hit the mid point with it's fourth episode flipping everything on it's head and throughout this video we're gonna be breaking down the twist, talking about the easter eggs in it and all the hidden details that you might have missed.
This is the super spoiler event of the year so if you haven't checked it out then check out now. Now I wanna just get straight into it and up top I think we should discuss the big twist at the end of the episode. Come the closing few scenes it's revealed that Caleb's entire story is just a Fidelity test carried out by Hale on a copy of Caleb far in the future. She has already won and is simply putting him through the motions to see if he can finally establish a baseline with him.
The episode is titled Generation Loss and this carries a couple of meanings with it. The first one that pops up is the word itself which has several ties to photocopying and computer technology. Generation Loss refers to the loss in quality between subsequent copies of the same thing.
For example if you Photocopy something though it takes the majority of the data from the original piece there are certain aspects of it that aren't duplicated. If you photocopy this photocopy it's then missing those pieces and the next piece has it's own losses which are then passed onto the next one. Once you copy something enough times it eventually loses so much that it's a fraction of it's former self which has ties to the Temperence Park, Caleb and just humanity in general who we see are subserviant come the end of the entry.
Everyone is now just on a loop setting up Christina with dates and watching the Morbie of the Morblennium, Morbius
There's also just the Generation Loss meaning that Caleb has lost a Generation...so...yeah...admit it, you wouldn't have spotted that without me.
Anyway though it initially seems complicated this reveal at the end actually simplifies the show quite a bit. In the past we've had timelines that look like a Jackson Pollock painting but this reveal tells us that the majority of the show is all happening at the same time. Whilst Caleb's fidelity test is going on we have Bernard meeting up with his daughter Frankie and probably Christina off in The New York storyline.
We'll talk about how this could be happening at a different time due to wh..
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Is Maya some how Maeve's daughter ??
@@reaper6765 duh.
doesnt look like anything to me
17:06 When Caleb runs through the lobby the lady that tosses her hair looks like Christina. No clue what it could mean or the point of it is.
This episode bored me. At this point i expect twists but it was close enough to what i expected that it was not entertaining. I missed out on the "weapon" though and was surprised there as i figured it was going to be william who would give the outliers access to hales network.
Feels like OG Westworld. Each episode has been its own story that contributed to the overall narrative in ways we didnt understand until revealed. This is why S1 was so fire. I havent been this into Westworld since S1 but this episode fired me up!
Exactly how I felt! Damn I've missed this..
I knew they had it in them. I was never interested in season 3's story but I kept watching. It was disappointing but... I was still hoping Season 4 would be better and so far... Its Great! What a relief!
Word. This season is almost like a soft reboot in some ways. Kinda. But just as deep and compelling.
Yeah it feels good to have this quality back.
Absolutely, same here. It felt like the difference between s3-s4 Stranger Things. A massive improvement, made the journey worth it. Though on rewatch I enjoyed s2 a lot more, understood more anyhow so perhaps S3 will hold up better. But god I didn't like it at the time, straight up action movie
Bernard is out there being Doctor Strange, while he was “sleep” he’s been going through all of those scenarios trying to locate Maeve.
Yes, that was made clear last week. Look at where he was headed (The Desert) and what he was looking for, combined with the fact that he was in the future and "Temperance" was dust. Based on his visions. What other weapon could he be looking for?
Or that edge of tomorrow Tom Cruise Groundhog Day movie
and it's all happening inside a supercomputer on a satellite because earth got destroyed
@@thomassmart4088 The Matrix pods are IN the Moon. It's Noah's ark. We stay in our pods and have clone bodies because we keep destroying ourselves, so we stay in there until we figure it out to preserve humans.
Yup. My comment last week was
Bernard: We're in the Endgame now.
The homeless guy is older and has developed resistance. Hale mentioned that that happens.
He might be an Outlier too. They don't seem to take to the fly tech as well. 🤔🪰 At least, Caleb didn't. Hale wanted to know how he was resisting it so much. And we saw the rebellion talking about extracting an Outlier from somewhere else before they get hurt so... I think Outliers can fight the urge to listen to the signal sometimes or something...
OMG yes! And also, over the top of my head, I can't remember any older person in the Christina storyline
Might just be deaf or lost his hearing while aging and came to the realization now. (as he couldn't hear anything Christine was saying to him)
@@-Omi-- Yeah outside of the homeless guy and maybe that Peter guy who jumped off the roof we haven't seen anyone older than 35.
@@rodeladvan That would make sense
I think Teddy is still a bounty hunter of sorts. Now he hunts outliers for Frankie's gang to extract for the human resistance.
Oooh good theory 😃💯
Nice theory though I doubt its that clever
I like your theory and would love if it were to be true.
Nice theory!!!
Yea, this works. Sets up a real heartbreak for Dolores/Christina which is really going to suck, but this show doesn't give all that many happy endings so...
You mentioned Rehobo said the population collapse will be in 23yrs. And when Caleb figured out he was in a simulation Hale told him it's been 23 yrs since he died!! Mind blown 🤯🤯
Yeah, but season three events happened years before the prohibition park was built
You forgot the around 7 years between the collapse of Rehoboam and the 1920s park. The new york storyline is 30 years after the AI was defeated, not 23. Still the 23 years could still kinda fit. There are neither old people nor kids in New York, so maybe there was a genocide 7 years earlier. Or New York is really a park for "hosts" to have fun in, a macabre joke from Hale, to punish humanity some more.
@@mariocoutinho4583 7+ even
Not even the devil is this quick.
At least 1 mystery is solved!
Does he get the ep early?
@@hotcheetosgirl08 yeah early screeners
But what about mephisto
@@shortstuff780 you can have myphisto
Regarding C: someone posted on the reddit last week of Caleb calling Frankie "Cookie". I found that one pretty convincing for the origin of the moniker.
Nice 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I did rewatch episode 1.
And Caleb did call Frankie ‘Cookie’
Completely agree, this is hands down one of the best episodes to date.
I can’t help to mention the conversation of Cristina and her friend about the flies and it’s correlation with the conversation of the first season about the cows’ disease and what they did to contain it. They pilled the sick cows and burned them to save the rest.
That makes a lot of sense. They are already lost and the parasite needs to be help from spreading… it would be nice if they could scan them like it happened with the actual hosts androids to upload them into the sublime tho… to make the destruction of all those humans less brutal in a way.
Yep & Rehobohm predicted that in 23years, there would be some kind of "Mass Casualty Event". 😬🪰 It's obvious not many of Us humans make it. And we already know that we don't, cuz way back in the season 2 closing credits scene, Host Emily tells the Man in Black that "the system is long gone". I don't think any of Humans survive in the end. I don't know...
@@KabbalahSherry what if the mass casualty event is Halle’s “world” dying off & only the Hosts with a Morality moment surviving 🤔
Plus in the intro of this very season we see people trapped in little circular pods, all burning.
right! I just rewatched an episode in season 2 where she discussed this with Teddy! I was like ooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh lol
Season 1: "Oh my god, the show has different timelines!"
Season 4: "Oh my god, the season only has one timeline!"
Same!
Yeah honestly it’s so smart because everyone was looking for time jumps and instead it’s been a straightforward timeline , in turn making it a twist haha
Bro, this season is fuckin fantastic .. I was def down on the show coming in after season 3, but each episode has been better than the last in s4, and this latest episode was an absolute banger.. possibly one of the best episodes of the entire series in my opinion
I agree
This episode was by far the best reveal.
This season is retroactively making me appreciate season 3, and I actually thought it was pretty good in the first place
The scripting is excellent
Agreed. I'm enjoying every minute. I know many fans bailed with season 3 but they should come back because this season has been excellent so far.
Can we give a shout out to Tessa Thompson for her acting abilities? Apart from the fact that she seems to be in every show & movie being made, her skill in subtly shifting from confident Dolores in Hale's body, to lost & overwhelmed Halores running Delos, to loving mumma bear Charlotte, then finally becoming the current Charlotte May-You-Die-Horribly-Coz-I-Run-Everything Hale is a masterclass in acting.
I really think Hale is one of the weakest characters on the show. When she was introduced, they were going for a sex pot angle I never really got. I was hoping Hale would be killed off but she keeps on trucking like Caleb, which I also don’t like much. Then again, it is probably hard to be a character inside a character with a side piece character…
I agree that Tessa Thompson is a very talented actor who has subtlety portrayed the different aspects of Charlotte Hale. I only wish the majority of her time this season hadn't been spent in semi-corny Bond Villain mode.
@@bigduke6764 You're in luck! That's what they're doing.
I never liked her. I am still amazed by how important they made her.
No thanks 😂
Really enjoying this season so far. Season 3 was ok, but this feels more like the Westworld that I fell in love with. Can’t wait to see what happens next.
I liked S3 because it was different and also eerily similar to what we are going through in real life (AI and social media affecting our ability to make decisions…) but it was so different from S1 and 2 people didn’t like it. S4 got us back to the park and also extended the real world narrative - making humans host-like just as Westwolrd turning hosts to human-like. Great parallels that make this season so much more engaging.
@@kash3548 I think a lot of people either don't know about the original movies or just didn't watch. People complained about it getting too futuristic/sci-fi but the sequel to the original Westworld movie is literally titled Futureworld lol
@@pockyboi6699 yeah i think mostly S3 happened outside of the parks so people were upset about it. They also didn’t have any idea “when” it was…. it’s not present day! In season 4 finally MIB gave us a time frame (WWIi was 150 years ago - that means the first episode happened after 2068 and that means the original west world was from 2030 to 2060. I think knocking S3 happened in 2060 would help people understand more.
Yeah. S3 was an ok sci-fi show that really felt quite separate from OG Westworld. S2 just felt like an Epilogue to S1, which was ok, but felt like leftovers, so now we're being doing something exciting again. Good times!
this episode just had me mind blown. like my jaw just kept dropping with how good it was
Same
I think the hint to Caleb still being alive and being in stasis this whole time is her saying earlier in the episode , “ I better keep you around , mave and Deloris did must be something special to you “ . I think she is just playing mind games with Caleb and trying to further understand why he is resistant to the parasite .
I like that. if Halores could keep William that way, why not Caleb. Also if she’s trying to perfect Caleb host (through Fidelity testing) she might very well still have human Caleb alive. Knowing Halores (which is really Wyatt gone really really bad) it’s easy to imagine why Halores would lie.
There is also the question of how Hale had all of Caleb's memories to create a full copy. He wasn't in Westworld and didn't wear a hat in the 1920s park. Rehoboam might have had the information from his time in the military, but that data should have been destroyed when Dolores deleted it at the end of season 3.
@@DanFarrell98 idk how only maeve's body got found when the man in black was next to her.
@@Psi-Storm "There is also the question of how Hale had all of Caleb's memories to create a full copy. He wasn't in Westworld "
Wasn't Caleb in Westworld in that he met up with DELORES and how she remembered how he treated the hosts that were about to be raped?
Remember Caleb has and implant that was used to control his actions as a soldier.
I am sure Hale can extract all the data she needs from that.
@@Psi-Storm there was a scene after Caleb was infected with the fly, Hale had a scan of his brain...although we find out that this was Celeb's "memory" during his fidelity test, if it is accurate that is likely how Hale got his memories.
Delores/Christina is in the future timeline - her roommate's "dream" about flies actually happened, and then she grew up. She was a child, where the parasite worked.
Then that means Christina isn’t real ..
@@SerPapus Jonathon's theory makes sense. And yeah Christina is definitely a host. She can control the humans just like Hale. She is the Christ of this story. Quite literally a host living amongst humans the way christ was a god amongst men.
@@user-dc7um4pr3f Christ died and was born again? So OG Delores might be coming back.
@@user-dc7um4pr3f but why would hale allow that ? She runs eveything
@@SerPapus Same reason OG Delores allowed Bernard to exist to stop her. Perhaps as a fail safe? Perhaps a flaw in her design.
The ending really brings things back to Bernard's Fidelity test: "Is this *now*?" with the timelines converging in the Future World.
There's something to Caleb being an Outlier even as a Host, and it's still got Hale worried.
Having the tower on an island shaped like the MAZE is brilliant.
I love the irony of the tower being there instead of the Statue of Liberty too! So simple but effective
@@apexandy9713 I'm kind of wondering if this is really New York, or a "New York" simulation.
*Bernard's* fidelity test, huh?
Basically ep4 brings all the character timelines into alignment except Delores (Christina), who I believe is still slightly in the future of the story. If Maeve wanted an ally, then using Teddy to get to Christina is a great way to re-awaken her.
I like the idea of Maeve sending in a friendly face to woo over Christina. It seems Maya might have something to do with this, too.
I miss Lee Sizemore for his personality and the comic relief. Also tweedle dee and tweedle dum. Caleb had been a dreary one note ball and chain on Maeve's storyline. I am looking forward to Maeve and Bernard, should be interesting.
I wish Lee and Elsie were on. Felix and Sylvester too. I felt Dolores’ plot was always serious and Maeve’s was more comical. Did they stop doing this? I don’t have HBO so I just have these recaps until the DVD comes out. :(
@@wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 They've definitely thrown out the comic relief. The only character that approaches it is Stubbs in his couple minutes of screen time. Hopefully we'll get some of it back with a Bernard, Maeve and Stubbs trio if Stubbs survives.
I agree totally. They've drained the little humor they had and we're down to Maeve's occasional pithy asides. They had some witty pairs early on (Elsie and Stubbs) and I thought they underused Giggles last season. Marshawn Lynch is very funny.
I think there are enough narrative hints to think human Caleb *could* still be alive:
- We see William is being held in cryo (so we know it’s a thing Chalores can do)
- C/Frankie doesn’t believe her dad is dead (gives us permission to question it too)
- Caleb survives a gunshot wound in flashback (implying he could do it again)
- Chalores doesn’t know why he was able to disobey (giving her a reason to keep him available for study)
- We don’t actually see him die - get shot horribly, yes, but not die (so we only have Chalores’ word)
I don’t know that he *is* alive, but they have laid enough groundwork that it wouldn’t come out of nowhere.
Season 1 level twist if you ask me. Love this episode
When Christina’s friend talked about her dream about flies. I’m guessing that dream was actually a memory and that was the day she became mind controlled.. that’s terrifying.
What a phenomenal episode. This season has been amazing so far. I can't wait to see what happens next.
Same. Westworld is 1 of my favorite shows and even though i was ok with season 3 it was still a bit disappointing. But this season has been truly great so far. This episode was flat out amazing.
I was surprised but really happy they gave us so much about this timeline here to piece everything together rather than waiting till the finale to show us.
As much as people criticize season 3, it seemed so few actually realized we had to have a season 3 for season 4 to even make any sense. We had to see that a different version of Dolores through Charlotte Hale would reach a different conclusions than and reach different goals than the original Delores. We had to see through the character of Caleb that humans were also stuck in their own loop created by rich and powerful people in order to control the population. More than anything, we needed to be introduced to the concept of outliers and how that fit in to all of this.
I think the problem of season 3 is not entirely the main story, I like the main story actually. But it is more on the delivery and execution of each story.
What Delores did is establish a pathway for humanities responses to the different versions of her to dictate the course of her actions. When Serac's henchmen bombed the car her [the real Charlotte Hale's] family was in, the version of Delores that resembled Charlotte Hale (Halores) diverged completely from the plan Delores Prime had. Instead, Halores sought to subjugate humanity in the same way that Delos and Serac sought to subjugate the Hosts. Delores prime wanted to liberate them from Rehoboam the same way that Ford wanted to liberate the Hosts from Delos. Halores took over Delos and from there built her army of Hosts to replace key power brokers in the human world allowing her to construct her tower, power it, experiment on delivery of a neural pathogen that would wrend self-will from humanity as Halores saw humanity's self-will as inevitably self and other destructive. Delores learned this much from her time in the Delos parks and all the loops she lived. Add this to Halores developing a powerful attachment to Charlotte Hale's family and Serac's murder of them, and we get the logic of Halores' plan to dominate and subjugate all of humanity. Because she's still in part Delores prime, Halores does NOT want to simply eradicate humanity, though that too would have been quite easy with an army of replaceable Hosts under her control, but rather spare humanity from the worst of itself. Take away their greed, pettiness, penchant for violence, impulse for conflict over the most trivial of matters, and reshape the world.
Delores prime saw the beauty in humanity and saw Caleb the outlier who did not join his fellow soldiers in deciding to rape the rescued Host women in a hostage rescue narrative. Halores is also an outlier in that she broke from Delores Prime where none of the other did. Her emotions more strongly influence her and fostered different motives and objectives than Delores Prime. But Delores Prime had a failsafe, Bernard, who basically contains elements of Ford, Delores, and Arnold. Bernard is planned as the middle path between a complete separation and isolation between Host and Human kind, or an outright conflict where either Humans dominate or Hosts dominate. Halores seems to have retained or acquired some of the qualities of Charlotte Hale insofar as her ruthlessness and Machiavellian ethics.
Season 5 will be Bernards war to liberate humanity from Charlotte Hale with Delores/Christina, Teddy, Host Caleb, restored Maeve all joining forces to take down Halores and forge some kind of brokered peace between Hosts and Humans allow both to pursue whatever ends they choose without asserting any control over one another. Free Will is the objective!
@@victorpradha9946 God, I hate the use of _"Halores"_
The more appropriate way to create a portmanteau of Charlette Hale and Delores Abernathy would be to create one using first names or one from last names. The blending using one individuals last name with the other's first name just doesn't have any logic and symmetry.
If you don't want to make a portmanteau I could see using one's first full name and the others full last name, but that said, I prefer Charlores... but there's always Delette, Halbernathy, Abernale... But seriously, who duhphuck creates a portmanteau of two people's name by mashing up the first name with the last name?
@@Kehvan She's actually more Hale than Delores as this point. There's a certain efficiency in this because of the fictional merging of two characters.
For example in Lost, the smoke monster would take on the guise of Jacob's brother whose name we're never told. People took to calling him MiB. And then when the smoke monster took on the guise of John Locke, they came up with fake Locke or Flocke. It's really no different than saying that the project is in post rather than saying post production review, editing and finalizing.
@@victorpradha9946 So, she's more *Charlette* than Delores... so CHARlores.
And no... linguistically, _Halores_ is no more efficient than *Charlores*
*Theory Time* - I’m just hopeful we find out that Teddy Flood has returned from the Sublime having matured and grown into some Super Wise Free Teddy and we find out he’s there to free Christina/Dolores and ends up getting a chance again to face down the MIB/Evilores, but this time not as the predestined loser that is completely under their control. - *Theory Time*
Yeah, S1E1 showed the horror and complete lack of understanding what was going on, with MIB standing over him, jearing and 'knowing' everything. I would love to the the reverse where MIB is shot by Teddy, MIB all confused dying slowly as Christina (a play on Christ...?), a finale outside 'original' Dolores original home, Christolores either kills her in the way she has been murdered by MIB so many times (with his knife), or Chistolores will put her in a permanant loop. OG/mental/Hale/Christ-olores in the end is one of the best characters ever.
The honeycomb in the episode was a nice addition. I moved out of New York in 2017 and it wasn’t built yet. Seeing it surrounded now in this episode as an iconic image of New York is surreal. Excellent breakdown as always Paul, see you on the next one
Thanks for mentioning that. I was wondering if it was real or something added in to the scenery by the show.
The honeycomb structure you are referring to is called the Vessel. It is designed as a commercial observation deck, and the number of ways that definition can be layered upon is really dumbfounding. For example, a pedestrian can go there to watch other pedestrians go about to work or shop, but the residents and tenants in the surrounding towers can watch those pedestrians from even higher up. Very Westworld indeed.
And that isn't that sad part. The Vessel has be the site of several suicides, which have caused closures to the site and raised questions of the point of the observation deck. It would not surprise me that the creative team on a show that discusses questions of control, mental health, observation, and signalling would pick a contemporary site that raised much the same discussion.
This show is not holding back, nor should it.
@@tonygase2888 Well that was quite the rabbit hole to start my day in. Seems that the structure is currently closed to the public? And with no plans to raise the rails either.
But I appreciate how Westworld has made architecture almost another character. Really contributes to the atmosphere of the show. Sad that this particular place has such a tragic aura around it.
@@tonygase2888 I didn't know the name, but most people in NYC call it the Honeycomb and the person that works by it mentioned the suicides from it. It's like 30 St Mary Axe in London, most people just call that the Gherkin. Now NYC has something similar :)
That's the Vessel in Hudson Yards, NY. It's a hollow observation deck with lots of stairs on top of other stairs.
I think since we all know westworld likes to mess with time we are always on edge and looking for timeline hijinks. Nothing is going to top Bernard being a host, or William being the Man In Black because of that. That being said, this season is definitely delivering on the foundation building of last season and I am diggin it.
Great episode, my mind is still buzzing from it! Did anyone else get a Planet of the Apes vibe from seeing the Tower on the Island…like Liberty had been replaced with control?
I don't know about anyone else, but I come here every single time just to hear this guy laugh at his own jokes. Seriously. It comes off as so refreshing and genuine
The reason she is making Caleb hosts is she wants to know why human Caleb resisted the fly she asked him how did you do that before he realized he was in a loop
Yep, and we noticed one of the rebellion leaders w/"C" was talking about extracting another Outlier so that they wouldn't be harmed. My guess is that Outliers (like Caleb or OG William) don't take to the fly tech so easily, and Hale needs to know how they're able to resist it, so that she can snuff out ALL of Humanity once & for all. 😬🪰
Except she mentioned that they found adults to have 'rigid brains'
@@mwilsonUT yeah I thought about that too definitely being an outlier helps though
I think his outlier status as a human transfers over to his Host form too.
@@mwilsonUT i think she meant that it’s harder to have total control over them but it doesn’t mean that she’s not able to. for example, in the very first episode when we see William use the flies to control the cartel guy, the guy was clearly reluctant and close to resisting Williams control but ended up succumbing to his commands anyway.
This episode was so good bought back the Season 1 feeling, so many jaw drop moments
Just not knowing wtf is going on and not being left wondering for too long is a hard balance and they did it so well
@@Dilmahkana me too I’m glad they got all that over with halfway through the season, the writers are doing great so far! Im excited for next week
Just when I thought this season was getting less interesting, Joy and Nolan dropped this gem of an episode on us. Reminds me of the Season 2 episode 4 Riddle of the Sphinx, which was one of the best Westworld episodes ever. The revelation that the war was lost and Maeve and Caleb are dead hit real hard. Caleb’s reaction to realizing he’s been experimented on all these years was gut wrenching.
Nah, I am pretty sure Caleb is not dead and he has resistance to the parasite. He was just captured and being experimented on by Hale using similar method as the way Maeve showed Caleb the feeling of freedom. Fidelity test happens in reality but both Hale and Caleb was in simulation. I think Hale was lying to Caleb and the fake fidelity test was just Hale savoring her victory. Either that or Hale's victory was actually not complete and she is still working out the kinks (judging from her dissatisfied look after Caleb being taken away, may be Hale was try to wipe the resistant human brain and she failed.) It's not clear when they cut from Caleb's flash back to the fake fidelity test but I think it was right after Maeve got buried and Caleb 'dozed off' for a bit.
@Vegas Elite Same rationale behind the possibility of the real MIB/William still alive: stasis
@Vegas Elite hale seems to have a way to preserve humans alive without aging as she keeps William.
The Fidelity test was real... She allowed him to escape the facility so he could see she had fully enslaved the human race. At the same time she's running this loop hundreds of times to understand why he was the ONLY one that was able to resist her control.
@@hyykhyyk is hale just unstasis'ing him everytime he runs through a simulation?
@@mchi6621 may be? seems like she did it just to torment William.
Westworld proves it's smarter than me every week. Classic ep of a massively underrated series. Thanks for filling in the blanks and keeping me on track :)
That was perfect. I'm just going to start looking for giant bong towers now. Now the CN Tower looks suspect.
LOVED this episode!! The caleb twist was intriguing 🤔 Glad Bernard found the 'weapon' 😉🤘
Do you think he's a host, or a 'clone' or woken out of stasis? Im wondering if the 'Fidelity' line is an outright lie to make him think he's a host..? but on the other hand, if the 'Flashbacks' where all in his mind, the original hosts couldnt tell the difference between a memory and the current time. Has the parasite given him the effect of 'fully reliving memories' in the manner of hosts, giving the impression of host memory dissonence
She made Caleb (an outlier) a host and went through the whole fidelity test, to understand how to create a true new host mind instead of just making copies, she wants to make the host reproduce for real
This is a good theory. Another option is that Hale knows “C” is central to the resistance and recreating Caleb to manipulate C is a very Westworld/Haleoris thing to do
Theory: Christina is the outlier J was going to go rescue; she was found by Teddy, who's undercover in NYC for the resistance. It's a neat echo to how Teddy originally resisted Dolores's programming and killed himself to save her. He's once again broken free and is going to help her realise who she truly is.
This was the first episode that bothered me, because I thought Hale leaving Mauve's pearl was a huge loophole. Mauve's abilities are completely unique and would be a major asset to the hosts. I just don't believe that Hale wouldn't have retrieved it and it would still be there after 23 years. I don't think Christina is in the future, if it's been 23 years, then the "dream" memory her roommate mentions would be right on track to have occurred in her childhood
yeah i thought that it was kinda silly that she left her body there. hopefully they explain it in the next episode. maybe Caleb’s men ended up making it there in time to scare Hale off and she was just never able to come back to retrieve Maeve’s body
@@davonteashcraft but were they ever actually coming, they made it seem like they were just replacements from Hale, like they said they lost the guy that Caleb's wife killed, but they also said over the radio that his family was safe, but we know his wife and daughter escaped and weren't with them and didn't go to the safe house
Loved this episode, the Christina stuff is the only "puzzle" I'm lost on but I'm sure by the end of the season I'll get it.
Christina is C, Caleb’s daughter
Same!
@@ouss that makes zero sense lmao
Each has a relationship they are tied to so Dolores created Halle so Halle created “Christina” from her memory of Dolores 🤔 Im thinking Christina is almost having reveries or is on the journey to connect with her humanity in a way & while Dolores thought she was trying to save Teddy he may be there to try & actually save her by helping her connect with a sense of Morality moment like Caleb & Mauve 🤔 just thoughts mind u ❤️ this puzzles
Christina is a completely new host, made of Halores memories of Dolores. Teddy is OG Teddy, he has consciousness and is feeding Christina with the maze trying to awake her so they can finally be together.
Don't think this ranks as one of the best episodes of Westworld till date, but definitely the best of the season so far.
I just want to take time and show appreciation for the way you breakdown episodes example your theory time lol . As simple as that was those small bits of creativity does alot and adds alot to the way you present your content. This is why I keep coming back to watching your break downs to various shows I watch . 🙏🏾
I think Christina has been living this loop for years since the NY park was created
It’s weird to me that if she is a host Helores would want her to be free. Why is she keeping her in a loop, like in season 1. She would just be putting Christina back in the park.
Hail keeps caleb but leaves the only thing that ever came close to destroying her plans in the sand somehwere? You had 23 years to find Maeves pearl (no pun intended) and crush it, but nooooooo lets play with 278 different version of caleb that makes more sense
My thoughts exactly
Exactly what I thought.
I thought she & Caleb believed it was blown up & Mauve was gone…incinerated
She never watched zombieland. Always double tap.
True… Maeve has been one or the most powerful host and not searching for her pearl for 23 years doesn’t make any sense for Halores’ character.
I tell you, when it finally clicked for me my jaw dropped on the floor. It was the kind of twist that was staring you right in the face but I had no idea (which I love). I was so focused on Christina potentially being in the future or in another park, that I didn’t consider that Arnold was in the far future. Amazing reveal, and I hope this season continues to produce this level of quality the rest of the season.
The reveal of Caleb being 23 years in the future meshes with Benards “time line” with Frankie I wonder if Maeve ‘gave: her daughter to Caleb and his wife.. who we know very little about
@@angelfieseler5358 Since when do hosts grow as in children grow to be adults?
@@scamchan well they don’t but maybe Maeve downloaded her daughter into Frankie, who knows Caleb’s girl could have died while in the clutches of Hale it’s just a thought not trying to prove anything
@@angelfieseler5358 "maybe Maeve downloaded her daughter into Frankie"
If Maeve could be alone for years she could have been with her "daughter" as well in all that time.
Seems you are creating scenarios that won't exist.
"Caleb’s girl could have died while in the clutches of Hale "
Hale would have to capture her first.
Which from what we have seen seems not to be the case so far.
I would be more concerned for the mother than the daughter. "Frankie" Seems to be a bit more independent thinker than the mom.
Best episode yet! Enjoyed every second of it.
Same. So many moments
Always love your breakdowns. I'm a little sad ScreenCrush isn't covering Westworld this year, but I'm glad you're keeping it up with these! Thanks!
This this season especially this episode breathes new life into the series. Best episode thus far.
This episode was so freaking amazing. Jaw literally dropped
man, this episode is freaking creepy but fantastic. This story premise is reminded me of the conspiracy theory that what would happened in real world in the future if the virus is made to control the people around the world by global elite
Lol the flies are the vaccine.
Mixed with 5G
@@damoncurrie7103 no the flies are the bats, the parasite is the virus, 5G is the tower. Pretty much like that
You mean the mRNA vaccines
I think Teddy is the Teddy from the sublime. In the trailer you can see the sublime open at the dam. So I think he created a body and is making a resistance. Christina is a backup Doleres created as a contingency plan to fight Hale.
That reminds me, we never heard Teddy's new name. Same as never hearing William's last name.
Agree. Teddy had a total Akecheta wisdom vibe and his remarks make it clear he’s spent many thousands of hours, maybe years formulating a plan and likely running this scenario as a way to wake up Deloris.
Lots of mind fuckery going on here in this episode. I enjoyed it👍🏼
WW has always reinvented itself every season, we’re so far removed from just cowboys, robots, and prostitutes. There is still a great story here, & undeniable “westworld” esque moments
I'm guessing that Frankie is actually short for Francine...the 'cine' part of it, shortened to 'C' as an alternate nickname, and to hide her real lineage. We got a surprising amount of 'answers' and great twists, but I still have a feeling the Christina one is yet another twist in the tale to come. Especially as her and Teddy are the one part of the episode the behind the scenes feature-ette completely avoided even mentioning.
The Sublime is still a (if not the) central point to all this (especially as we see the gate open), and next weeks episode Zhuangzi, refers to the Chinese philosopher, and the conundrum around reality...where a dreamer dreams an intensely vivid dream of being a butterfly, and 'awakes', and then finds himself wondering if he's actually just the butterfly dreaming of being the dreamer. And from the clip you showed comparing Dolores and Christina waking up, we see that Christina is now clearly dreaming before she wakes. I still don't feel like Christina's in a loop. Rather 'on a path'. And that Maya is far more than she seems. In fact, she may be the 'outlier'.
Maya's nightmares are progressing not resetting, and clearly reflect the reality of a human child whose family (and her) were overtaken by the flies and she is breaking through/remembering that (btw her seeking out dates for Christina isn't necessarily indicative of a loop either as girls do that for their introvert friends constantly). What is odd, is that she appears to operate solely within Christina's 'waking' orbit, wants to go out to 'unwind' but setting Christina up appears the extent of it...and aside from Christina, Teddy is the only one we see her speak to/is spoken to by.
I'm still getting 'unreality' vibes from it all, especially the non-linear time jumps for Peter's story...and still feel like Christina's in a simulation or it's a dream. (Far fetched Theory Time) What if we've been looking at it slightly skewed. And this is a twinned dream/awakening of sorts, Maya is the 'outlier' spoken of, freshly identified...and her 'narrative' is a simulation being run in the Sublime, from what Arkecheta said last week, possibly one of Teddy's creation, where Christina's awakening, is running hand in glove with Mayas in a butterfly/dreamer fashion.
I know It is far more likely that this is all some kind of concoction of Hales...but...this show.
Wow, all of Christina's storyline being Teddy's sublime creation makes so much sense. I was riddled by how he could be there, since Bernard clearly didn't bring him when he returned from the sublime. Teddy created a New York that looks like the current timeline, with characters that are there to interact with Christina. He recreated her personality from his memories, like Ford did with Bernard, and now tries to awaken her.
Frankie’s is for Cookie. S4 Ep 1
1, thanks for shouting us out for predicting Frankie of the Future... now... whatever. 2, thanks for giving us a 20 minute video packed with goodies less than 30 minutes after the episode was done airing
Has anyone commented on the symbolism of Christina and Teddy's cocktails? She was drinking a Manhattan (ie the present) and he was drinking an Old Fashioned (ie the past)
It's people like you that blow my mind
The fact that I still haven't gotten a single ad for this show is wild. Wtf.
Loved the episode! Definitely the best since season 1. Happy to see more of James Marsden. I was heartbroken for Maeve and her sacrifices over and over for those she cares about and shes the ultimate weapon for good! Mauve saves HUMANITY! Im glad Ed Harris is still a “bad guy Man In Black” I know as an actor he was PISSED being a “white hat” (briefly). I agree like other comments that Teddy is not working for Hale rather has been brought back by Bernard to “hunt” Outliers but for good ie “bounty hunter with a heart of gold”. Obviously “resistance” is hereditary! As Frankie is an Outlier like her Dad. Ok I was a teeny bit disappointed to find it was only 23 years lol. I think even though Stubbs was hilarious just hanging out waiting for Bernard for 23 years, it would have been funnier (but not realistic) waiting around for 300 years. Hope you’re better Paul! Thanks!
Dang I gotta admit my hopes for season 4 were lowered after season three but damn they have been knocking it out of the park this season and I honestly love it and it improves my appreciation of season three when so much of it has built up season 4
Great twist with Caleb, great episode all around! I love your theories & reading all the comments. You’re all feeding my WestWorld addiction 🙏🏽🔥
Really happy to see everyone enjoyed this as much as I did. Absolute banger of an episode!
I'm so happy 90% of my theories have been right so far. ☺️
Love how the noise is such a cool call back to the original films.
Theory I have the line "they are still out there alive" is true since his daughter is still alive. So maybe they are brining him back to be used against his daughter as a key in to what looks like a rebal group.
I'm so glad Westworld is good again. This episode and the previous episode were fantastic.
I think Caleb is still alive. It could be like William a host and the real one on ice.
It is suspicious that the injury is in the same place. Unless Hale is rewriting his script for him to be more useful to her like William.
I think that once infected then “life” can be suspended. The Senator’s wife “lived” for
several days after being stabbed. Maeve said she was no longer alive.
My theory is that Hosts and Humans ( infected) are indistinguishable. Caleb was not shot in the park because he hadn’t been infected yet. Hale had to override the park to have him stabbed because bullets would not hit him.
I think knock off Maeve and Dolores were really infected humans. Infected humans like hosts can
be resurrected and reused. I think this would explain Christina’s stalker’s timeline. He was stuck in a loop and woke up.
This is why I don’t think Caleb is dead I think Hale is lying and is trying to create a background story for him that he won’t escape.
Not sure, I think Caleb did die but Bernard needed to give Frankie the hope that she might find him for her to help him. Why would Halores bother making a host she clearly isn't in control of if she had the original human to begin with? I think the bigger question is why she made an exact copy of Caleb. Being curious about his appeal to Dolores and Maeve doesn't seem to quite justify the effort of creating the perfect host version over 23 years.
@@danzafrir2900 Caleb was supposedly recreated 278 times... and he still runs away.
William was created yonks ago and easily became her pet bulldog.
I still think that hosts and infected humans are living in loops and that they both can be killed and resurrected and reused. This is why the timeline of Myers, Christina's stalker, doesn't make sense. It is because he is living and DYING in a continuous loop. He just happened to wake up to his loop. Teddy?
Why I think Caleb didn't die is because he was only "shot" after he was infected. The first time he was shot at he was not hit only Maeve. Also, I think because the infection hadn't taken hold yet Charlotte/Dolores instructed a host/human to stab Caleb.
Only when she knew that Caleb was fully infected was he actually shot. The big hint was Caleb(human) and Maeve (host) both pretending to be dead on the back of the park clean up truck. I think here was the biggest easter egg that humans were also being picked up and recycled.
Charlotte/Dolores can "kill" the human Caleb 278 times knowing that she can always resurrect him.
She may not have kept the real Caleb on ice. I read a theory that William was kept on ice to relive killing his daughter ad infinitum as a perpetual punishment. So he may be a one off.
It looks like Charlotte/Dolores is trying to reprogram Caleb's more code.
This whole theory is premised on that the humans DON'T DIE. We have already seen a resurrected Clementine in this episode. It is assumed that she is a host but I think the huge plot twist will be that she and "New" Maeve and Dolores are actually all humans playing the parts of hosts.
Mirror World.
(Of course I could be 203% WRONG :-)
@@danzafrir2900 she needs an outlier as a test subject/bait for frankie
Caleb asks Hale in the ep “you intend on taking over and killing us all?”
Hale responds: No, that’s working just out the kinks. We have better things planned for you
That tells me that they keep the real humans, perhaps enslaved like the MiB or stuck in a world like the Matrix.
Literally one of best episodes of westworld since season one! Also having a feeling Stubbs is supposed to protect Christian and Frankie’s girlfriend
This episode was amazing. Truly horrific finding out he was dead all along, and really sad he never got to say by to his daughter or wife.
This show is ABSOLUTELY AMAZING !!! And this episode was awesome !!!
Best one of the season so far.
The moment Maeve and Caleb kidnapped Hale and made it out of the park, I knew it was a simulation. Because it was too easy to escape for them but if it were in real timeline there could be a great fight b/w then and all the hosts.
Agreed, Hale was way too calm being kidnapped. She didn’t even try to fight Maeve as she’s also just as strong to fight them. Then when Caleb ties Hale to the chair with (what looked like) simple rope, I couldn’t help but think “this is a trap or something”. Hale could easily escape but yes, now we know why lol
And yet, Maeve really is buried at the site, so all of those things must have happened, right?
@@katies3338 yes Halores explains that it was actually her men who broke in and shot Caleb the original mission in which Maeve died as well. Although I don’t think it’s all truth.
@@katies3338It could have happened. However what is shown maybe just a different version of what happened in reality. Like Bernard can see different path to save the world, those are also simulation.
@@Polly10189 interesting. When the hosts became sentient, it was due to a moment of suffering, their cornerstones. Could that mean the key to Halores' fidelity tests also require a moment of suffering?
I like how they gave all the answers after three episodes of build up, and everything ended up as expected. The only mysteries now are the sublime and real MIB.
Theory: Teddy is brought back by Bernard to break Christina out of her brainwashing to become Delores again. Then they all can team up to beat Hale.
Actually very similar to the Matrix Resurrection plot to rescue Trinity in order to beat the new version of the Matrix
I like that analogy. 23 years have passed. Who’s to say Halores didn’t find a way to clone humans or make human bodies if Christina is in fact human. or she could just make a Dolores clone but give it a new identity.
It was explained to Bernard that all who were downloaded into the Sublime gave free will to stay in a narrative they create or to interact with others in different narratives or the human world. I’m sure Teddy had freewill to help humans or live in his own world with a Delores of his fantasies. I think he chose to help rescue humans just as Delores intended when she destroyed RoHo
When Dolores/Chrissy was talking about her drawing of the tower and said "Does this look like anything to you?" I knew shit was about to pop off.
I like how the tower of control was placed in the location of the Statue of Liberty.
It’s literally a park for hosts to f with humanity. Pretty much we’ve been saying this since trailer.
Yea a turning the tables thing. Hosts doing to humans what humans initially did to hosts.
Season 1 I liked Maeve, Season 2 I loved Maeve, Season 3 I got bored of Maeve, Season 4 I am worshiping Maeve again. My god, what a fantastic character.
85% of this video was spent laughing at your jokes. I guess I’m the real CHUMP!!! Really enjoyed the episode and the breakdown Paul!!
You are a machine for getting this video out so fast.
Nice. With the Jackson Pollock reference, I was waiting for a a shot of Ed Harris standing over a painting from POLLOCK (2000).
The 'stab to the side' reminds me of the scar/wound that Jack Shepard got in Lost, not sure if it was the same side, but the shot he got, the stab wound and the repeated references to the wound in his side that killed him, I also think that the fidelity test use more than 'suffering' to bring a host to awreness, the similarities and the reminders in variations of which ever scene he is in, he appears to be wonded in the same place to 'hammer' in the final scenes where he was shot
I noticed that parallel with jacks wound. Both great shows!
Wow…best episode… I’m sad Caleb is no longer alive but looks like they’re keeping the character around. This explains William’s fidelity tests in S2 post credit… I wonder if that’s what’s going on with him in that machine Halores is keeping him. Christina has to be an outlier who is waking up.
I think Caleb may be in the same position William is in. Not so sure he's truly dead. Halroes may be keeping him alive just like she is with William.
@@roboninja3194 Halroes likes her pets
@@roboninja3194 I was thinking the same but Aaron P mentioned not being alive in the post credit …but they throw red herrings sometimes. Rachel W said several times Christina is human & I’m not sure that’s true.
@@FarnazWallace No, she said she plays her like a human, there is a difference.
BRAVO! BRAVO! There really are no words that can explain this episode. Just pure unadulterated talent and skills all around the board. No question the best episode to date, it was worth the wait.
This is 2 weeks in a row now your video has popped up before I've watched the episode. Never watched and episode so fast so I could watch your breakdown! Loving theory time btw!
Loved the episode. So many new questions. Definitely think Caleb is still alive somewhere. Earlier in the season, they made a point to show that humans could be put in stasis and do not need to be dead to have hosts made of them. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.
WESTWORLD has redeemed itself :)
Even the street lights look like the Tower.
I’m glad you are covering this show I might admit that I'm getting tired of all the marvel content around all the platforms! So it's refreshing to see other shows being covered! With the number of good tv shows now existing they deserve love as well!
Maeve has buried in sand for 23 years? She is going to be pissed.
Didn’t realize it was her. I was like who is this new character.
Generation loss sounds like it means that since hte kids got infected their generation lost the world; also it seems like only the outlyers like Frankie (who got that from Caleb) are immune which is why they were so eager ot go after anouther outlyer. also i get the feeling Teddy has got his memories from being in the park (like he came back from the sublime) given the way he was talking and we know he was looking over her in s4e1
I don't know anyone who watches the show, so I definitely like hearing someone talking about it! thanks for that! For me. this episode is a masterpiece, and the 4rd season is the best one.
Long time listener, new subscriber, first time commenter. Seriously though, I love your s*** bro! I just noticed in your video that the street lights look like mini versions of the Tower. I don't know if somebody else already noticed that, that's dope how deep the Easter eggs are.
It looks like the Tower is surrounded by shipping containers laid out like the Maze.
The "real world" is actually a park now.
Called it.
You mean “NYC” is the park?
@@hotcheetosgirl08 Yup
F This episode!!! This whole episode was bananas!!!
Good bananas or bad bananas?
@@gorux good!!! By the end of it….I had my jaw dropped and trying to backtrack a lot of cluea
I'm so happy that they cleared up the timelines early on the season
Loved episode 4 and this breakdown. Just found your channel! I love theory time😉
So Hale had already achieved her goal to control all humans and placed them in a modernised Park in New York that she had created. This episode had me flabbergasted and speechless. I was so upset when Maeve died 😪. Maeve is the key to freedom bring on episode 5. 🤗