@@troneysauce Hello. Following up on the description, would it be possible you could provide all the original files to the worlds featured in your video? Thank you!
18:08 I KNOW WHAT THE RED SQUARE IS!!!! so basically in alpha 1.2 a new red glow was added to sunsets and sunrises, well basically there was a bug with opening your inventory, pausing the screen or opening a chest where the polygon that makes up the red glow were to turn into a solid colour, such as red in this case. I recreated it with my computer and took a screenshot. I'll post a link in the replies. Dangit someone already solved it already :/
@@JustJoryGenuine question, how do you turn on links? Possible on mobile too? Can you have access to that feature if you just started making your channel? Mlem
okay my crackpot theory is that Zappa is actually the guy who distributed the alpha pirated version. That's _his_ world and that's why he recognized it. He only didn't admit to it because- to this day he lives in fear of hearing a knock on his door to find Notch and like 25 lawyers
Like, yeah, it's definitely a long-shot......but it Would explain why the very-alpha-looking cobblestone waterfall build was finished on his version of the world. Clearly, the version of the map Zappa had was ever so slightly newer than the version that came packaged with minecraft-alpha-real-nofake-notvirus.exe or whatever it was that deadskin downloaded.
I love how the answer just turned out he was using pirated software and outed himself to the internet in his confusion, but only people who had also used that pirated software would know about it.
Okay I'm kinda forgetful even tho l watched the whole video few days ago but what caused the strange house that he definitely did not build to be there??
@@wexdust so, with the cracked downloads of Minecraft you usually got the old EXE/launcher and the entire file library in .minecraft, including the Saves folder. So, even if the crack distributor had deleted his world in-game before sharing the files, the bug where some of the datafiles remained in the folder for Save Slot (World) 1-5. So when someone made a new save on said slot, there is a chance any chunk corruption would load data from the previous save. So, the chance of this happening was much much higher with cracked downloads than normal downloads simply because if those files existed in the crack, every single person who downloaded a copy would have a much higher chance of experiencing it.
That makes so much sense. I remember deleting a world because I was lost because my chunk distance had to be very low, so I made a new world and found my old home. Thought I was just stupid cause I was just 10. The pirated exe was Minecraft SE
Seeing it in the modern version with the biomes all changed with the different coloured grass is like seeing a place from your childhood all overgrown and abandoned.
older minecraft has a nice nostalgia feel to it but also just feels oddly eerie in a way with it's flat colors and often empty space. feels kind of liminal which i love
To me, playing new minecraft feels like going to the arcade you loved as a kid. Youre older than all the other people at the arcade now. The friendly old dude who owned the arcade is gone and instead some big corporation owns it. They still have some of the old classic games: Pacman, Racing, street fighter, air hockey etc. But they also have a bunch of new crazy touch screen games like the minecraft rpg and cyberpunk and jurassic world VR. And everything costs $5 per play instead of 25 cents.
@@marinacroy1338 man, going to arcades is so expensive, I remember when I played the entire Metal Slug 3 with less than a dollar, now I can't fucking finish the Halo arcade in less than 50 dollars
@@troneysauce YOUR HONOR the walk speed is VERY slow and due to my clients trip through the nether he MAY HAVE WRONGLY ASSUMED HE WAS MUCH FARTHER THAN HE TRULY WAS FROM SPAWN, THEREFORE HE DID NOT PUT A GREAT EFFORT TOWARDS GOING BACK TO SPAWN!! **TAKE THAT**‼️
@@troneysauceif you think about the render distance back then and the general slowness of Minecraft back then it’s safe to assume he walked for a bit bit and since the nether was new, it was advertised as taking you much farther than it actually did, so he likely thought he was very far away and it wasn’t worth it to walk all that way, especially since he had a portal home. But just a thought
My dad lived in the region of the radio station with „ the most mysterious song in the world“ he could have maybe known the band members but „hes too lazy to remember“
Minecraft was just the PERFECT storm of "Ghosts in the code". All these little coding mistakes that would have unintended side effects, creating giant mysteries in the minds of the kids playing at the time. It created this aura of creepy and inexplicable things happening, and the potential for more to happen. It added an "edge" to the experience as a kid, because you knew deep down that you never knew when something would happen.
Yes to all of this! I remember when I encountered my first Minecraft glitch anomaly. On pocket edition YEARS ago, not too long after Creative was added iirc, I opened a new world and flew over to a village, hoping to make my house there. But within minutes EVERYTHING was catching fire. I freaked out, trying to douse the flames that quickly spread to each rooftop. It was the most stubborn fire ever. This was in broad daylight…no weather or lightning as those hadn’t been added yet. I felt really creeped out, as there were also no villagers. Since the buildings were pretty badly damaged, I decided to start over using the same seed. That way I’d know there was a village and how to find it, but hopefully without the fire. But NOPE. Fire started again, just like the first time. Once again, no idea what caused it. This time I was quicker to put it out since I was on guard lol. Really freaked me out, though…I felt like a time traveler being forced to witness the same natural disaster wreck a village over and over again. This video brought those memories flooding back! Sadly I didn’t write down the seed info or anything like that. I’d love to know what was causing it, in the code.
I started playing minecraft in 2009-2010. I remember being so fascinated with the coding and the idea of the procedural landscape. In my first world ever, I saw a tutorial explaining how you can make a tall lava tower so you never lose your base. I had 2 of them sticking up from the middle of a lake, as well as a water tower near my house. I remember trying to mod the game to get INVedit or something, and messed up my files, so I reinstalled but had lost my world (which was in the first save slot). When I created a new world on the fresh install, I remember finding a chunk error area after some time which contained my 3 towers, original dirt house, and some tunnels I made to avoid zombies. I kept a save of the file to show my friends and didn't play on it. I still have the laptop at my parents house and will be sure to go and see if the files are still there, though I would have no way of proving the towers came from a previous world, I think. At the time, I believed that minecraft's universe was infinite, as no one had reached the world border back then (or at least, not that I knew of). So when I stumbled across my old base, I remember being filled with so much wonder. It was such an amazing experience for me, that I have a core memory of first stumbling across that old base. It's completely burned into my memory, and I think about it quite often and even have had dreams about it. It was very cool to see this video and get brought back to the time when minecraft was a new frontier for young people getting their first computers and exploring the inner workings of the original metaverse. Super cool. Please do what you know you have to do, and find the original owner of the base from the pirated version lol
1:43:27 i don't think he lied about not knowing where his main base was. minecraft was much slower back then and that combined with lower render distance made small distances seem much bigger than they really were. he probably walked for half a minute and then turned back around so he wouldn't loose the glitched house.
My bet is the houses to the south of his spawn were built on his first life - he died, couldn't find them again so built around his spawn so he wouldn't lose anything. I don't think people appreciate how hard it was to navigate in early Minecraft and how often you learned the hard way
this was my impression as well, same with the "couldn't find a way up" he likely didn't want to stray far from the path he could see and built his way up when he saw the wall went on for a while
To be fair he definitely could have just lied though, if he said he walked not far from spawn and found a house it would not be believable at all but really far away you could assume he probably didn’t find it before.
A quick add as an old player: back in the day when we were kids and almost all Minecraft builds were pirate, it was normal for it to come with some worlds already in it. Either because the one uploading the pirated version forgot yo erase them, or because he just wanted to share his own worlds, or maybe a friend sent you the pirated MC and he just sent the entire folder with it. Anyway, it was also common to "trick" people. Specially new young players. People would create scary constructions hidden in the world, and then the new player would find it, usually waaay later (days, months or even years later!). I remember having a world that I thought was brand new, only to find some spooky scary huge crosses (like the Christians ones) far away from spawn in the middle of nowhere. That really made me very afraid.
Seems like it, the owner might have deleted the original world that came with the game and created a new world in its save slot or maybe the game may have included residual files in the save slot and then created a new world in that slot. Wording is so confusing
@@postpavilioni didn’t deal with giant crosses but back in the day i did come across a very poor tree house in the jungle, in either the forest or second jungle update, only know am i realizing why
Everyone I knew had a pirated version of Minecraft when it first released, I don't know anyone who had an actual copy. No one bought music, no one bought computer games, no one bought anything. Most Minecraft "mysteries" from 14 years ago can be solved by the ownership of illegitimate copies, because even though we were all doing it, no one wanted to admit they were pirating Minecraft. Lol.
I used to type in random ip addresses into the server search until I would reach random people’s private servers. Now I wonder how many people got freaked out seeing a house they didn’t build in their world from me lol
@@ActuallyThijs Oh I agree, especially looking back on it now. I’d change a few numbers on the end and got a few servers out of like 100 tries. Other times I tried it I ran out of patience because I couldn’t find any servers and I think that’s when I stopped
- Casually creates a channel - Proceeds to create a single video, a documentary about a strange phenomen, that is well documented and is 2 hours long - Its a banger
You know, a lot of people are genuinely upset that Zappa solved this 14 years ago, but fail to understand the following: that explanation was hard to find, unverified, and slowly disappearing over time. You can say "Zappa solved it" all you want (that is true), but the screenshots and proof were GONE. It no longer existed. This video was an independent search, and they found and confirmed the solution that was practically decaying over time. It's almost like people can't grasp the concept that someone knowing something at a specific point in time doesn't automatically make everybody else know it. Now we all know with certainly what happened. It was entertaining, informative, and interesting. The ending of the video even has a dedication to Zappa, where he goes over this and calls him the original and true solver.
Zappa Solved part of it but we still didn't have all the answers regarding the video which @troneysauce shed light into honeslyt I hadn't even heard of this mistery until today and I used to be big into MC misteries and such, really awesome research into the strange quirks of the game and the community
A common thing in the Science that some "Nobel prize" discoveries were actually made quite some time before, just too few people knew about it that time. And then comes another scientist who makes the same discovery but popularizes it for a wider audience.
I like how at the beginning it’s like this big mystery that really feels like it should’ve been impossible, only to realize that it’s been solved since it was first a question, it’s like being a detective asking your assistant to hand you a file for a cold case about a missing person only to realize the case was actually solved and was just never recorded as such, and then you realize that the assistant who handed you the file was the missing person
It's like asking you assistant to hand you a cold missing person case only to realize the case was actually solved and your assistant is the "missing" person.
@@Unkn4wN_TM really depends. ADHD is a spectrum, AUADHD exists. It's possible someone could have adhd and be extremely organization based in their life
@@Unkn4wN_TM ah I meant forgetting about the thing as a whole. I have adhd as well and a lot of my files are just scattered around in my phone, if I searched for something, I'd probably find something from years before too
My man came outta nowhere, dropped a 2 hour long resurfacing nostalgia for us all, and somehow managed to please the algorithm to have his video noticed Impressive
Also btw the two Ls in the name Llerobrine sound like an H, if I’m correct possibly Welsh, or something like that. So theoretically, peeps spell it how it sounds
I think most of the so called "dramatization" could be attributed to him being genuinely scared as hell. I could easily imagine him starting to walk back to his base and in the moment it feels like a long time because hes probably sweating buckets.
No cap, I'd be shitting myself. Probably would've just deleted the game immediately and put down Minecraft for a while so good on him for posting if true
@@disposable3167 to be fair it's a lot easier to get immersed when you aren't constantly going to wikis and looking up various efficiencies. I'd say a casual gamer can probably enjoy games a lot more because of that. Or maybe if not more per se, at least in a different way that most hardcore gamers can't anymore.
The "I lost my boats" bit could be a related to the fact that boats used to not drop as boats when they were destroyed, but instead would just give you some wood and sticks. Basically, he's saying he doesn't make surplus boats, he just makes them when he needs them, and then breaks or loses them.
Why didn't he just make more boats? They take 5 wood planks. Speaking of, why did he not find his base when he "walked for so long"? Why could he not find an easier way up the chunk error wall? I think this guy might be lazy.
@@gigastrike2 He did make more boats. That's implied by him saying "I lost _all_ my boats." Losing boats was a common problem in Alpha and Beta. That's why they changed the physics on them. For the second, I'm going to give him the benefit of a doubt. In Deadsk1nmask's video, the sun is just rising at the start. That implies that either he spent a long time exploring the area (in which case you'd expect more grass on the bridge), or he got there at night/late in the day. Add to that the fact that he didn't explore far enough to find the easy way up the cliff that was nearby, so he's probably either impatient, or was unwilling to risk getting lost in the dark (Alpha/Beta nights were much darker, due to the different lighting engine). While his base is technically in walking distance, it's not exactly close, and at night he wouldn't have been able to easily see it on the horizon either.
Whilst I like this video, there is a massive misconception with how Deadsk1n found the area. Rewatching his original video, he stated that he made a portal to "hell" in his base, and then in hell made another to fast travel. He then followed with "I don't know where I am." Not that he was LOST, but simply he had no clue where the portal lead him. I explored the world myself and I can confirm this. Going into the Base-He-Didn't-Build portal, there's a cobblestone path leading all the way back to his Home portal, with a small platform at the latter portal. The distance between the portals is ~50 blocks, and seeing as one block in the nether is eight blocks in the overworld, he traveled over 400 blocks away. The furthest render distance in 1.2.0 was "Far" at 16 chunks, or 256 (16 * 16), meaning there is no conceivable way he could've seen his base. I would also like to add that the teleporting mechanics were not known in depth. The update logs for the Halloween Update says "A brand new hell world for fast travel. Portal in, move ten meters, portal out, and you're hundreds of meters away." which is misleading and in fact could make Deadsk1n believe he's EVEN FURTHER away.
Trone(y)'s point in the video is that he walked less than a minute real time in the direction of the compass before dead's base became visible. In dead's video around the 4 minute mark he stated he "walked for a while" and "never found" his own base or spawn point. Most reasonable people would not consider walking less than 60 seconds "a while". It's clearly an exaggeration intentional or not. Also while the original patch may have been vague and implied 10:1 ratio, the 8:1 ratio for the nether quickly became public knowledge pretty early on and it has never changed. Someone who saw the blog post prior to going into the nether portal 50 blocks away from the previous one, could easily assume that their base was no more than 500 block away (which would've taken maybe 2 minutes to get to on that build of Minecraft.) There was no misconception he was poking fun at a small point in an old video that is worth of poking fun at, dead was clearly exaggerating for the sake of making the story more interesting.
on top of this, he talks about the lighting glitch thing, that wasn't as common in alpha if I remember correctly, he showed footage from 1.3.2 (when minecraft was still freshly moved to server client) which had a lot of lighting glitches.
The most mysterious part of this video is that zappa is just chilling with this decade old barely played pirated minecraft world in his back pocket like its nothing
Until my old hard drive died a few years ago, I had dozens of old saves from various points in MC history. I even kept the mod and config setup backed up alongside those saves. Some were old servers I ran, and others were single player saves. Due to my careful archiving, I could revisit the worlds and just see how much I've changed, and at the same time have not. It's humbling, and really lets you appreciate the things you otherwise wouldn't have in the moment.
Honestly i believe structures reappearing from deleted save files should've been worked into becoming a feature, especially if it was called ruin structures. Would give the game more variety in structures as well as make the game unique to each person. Imagine not playing Minecraft since 2015, but got back into it today and creating a new world and while exploring you find the ruins of an old base, it would bring back forgotten memories of playing Minecraft and building that base
@@KingdomHeartsFan-mu9cfIt is relatively easy but wouldn't work if you deleted your old worlds, and would only work for worlds the launcher knows the location of. If you had a separate instance of the game under a different directory and using an alternative launcher, an instance running with the vanilla launcher wouldn't be able to know about it.
i used to actually get creeped out playing early minecraft when i was alone. something like this happening, then no one believing me would've FUCKED me up
I kid you not, I played Minecraft survival exclusively in peaceful mode because monsters were scary. Up until I was 18. Six whole years, half of my Minecraft career, spent like this. Older versions were somewhat scarier than modern ones, but it might be because I'm used to it by now.
Also, before I was able to play real Minecraft I played a free to play ripoff game called Minetest. That game was A LOT more eerie than Minecraft itself. The caves were dark as hell, I'm pretty sure the game had NO audio at ALL, and there were some weird bear-like monsters underground that legitimately frightened me. I barely remember their appearance because I would avoid them at all costs but my 12 year old mind classified them as bears. Just of curiosity I'm looking those mfs up right now. EDIT: I couldn't find anything. Apparently the base game has no mobs? But I remember it clearly. They were 2D figures always facing the player, and not 3D models like Minecraft mobs. I'm sure. I swear. It was summer/autumn 2012 when I played.
@@Zestieee pretty sure the mob you're talking about is called "Dungeon Master". They shoot fireballs which destroy blocks. I think they were implemented in some versions and then removed or disabled by default because they were griefing too much. I used to play on a Minetest server when I was a kid and remember fighting these mobs every time I tried to use the community subway.
this is peak minecraft content. nostalgic old versions. weird bugs. spooky mystery. a couple of friends shooting the shit. long-form so you can use as background noise. i absolutely require more.
To be fair I think the clips were being recorded through Nvidia Shadowplay and as someone with years of experience using that system I know it's not always reliable at saving clips into the folders you'd expect them to be saved in. It's a regular occurrence for me when I use it save replays while playing a game that those replays end up in the Paint .NET folder because I happened to have that program open in the background while playing the game, I assume this has something to do with how shadowplay functions with desktop recording enabled like I have it set to
@@skignorfIt's absolutely understandable tbf, recording stuff is pretty intensive and it's expected to eventually lose SOME footage. I think the intention was just to show how incredibly small the chance that Zappa still had the files readily available rather than dunking on either of you. Completely unrelated, but I have really bad eyesight and from a distance your pfp looks like it's a guy's head instead of a little chibi, with the outstretched arm being a nose and the hat just being a smaller hat ahrng. I thought it was REALLY funny but I'm also incredibly tired rn so whatever.
Bro ive accidentally deleted really important footage for my film projects in college multiple times before its so much easier than youd think itd be unfortunatly
@@splendidsimp same, or not even deletion but the video files could’ve corrupted, thats what happened to a lot of my childhood photos, especially baby photos, so i only have very few now. Or then again deletion. 🤷♀️
Zappa had the real life equivalent of the ace attorney evidence that cracks the entire case open. It looked so joever for deadskin but it turned around completely.
its insane that this video had a coherent story arc. in the beginning i was highly skeptical about this being real, but started to believe after you showed zappa's original comment and then showed that deadskin had the balls to actually upload the save. then i lost all faith and thought for sure deadskin was bullshitting after you explored the world and showed how close the build was to his spawn. then i flipped again after seeing that zappa did indeed have his own world with the build in it, but still thought that he was lying about some of the details for dramatization (theres no way he couldve not known he was that close to spawn... right?). and then as i finished the video and read the comments even the things he said that seemed like lies started to fall into place after being reminded of how different minecraft was back in the day (boats didnt drop, most people played on low render distance by todays standards and there was no sprint so it was easier to misjudge distance, the nether was new and not yet widely understood, etc). i now fully believe he was telling the truth in the entire video. also i love this style of video where its just hours of raw unabridged commentary going over every step of solving a mystery, PLEASE make more
I think I played a very early version of Minecraft once and my little 8 yr old butt got stranded at sea because I misclicked which in turn me not liking the game at my growing years lol. The old boats are a pain way back then. Also for the render distance, yeah pair that with a pretty old computer some people actually put it in a shorter render distance so the game wont burn the house down. I remember dying from skeletons so much lol good times
i think it's a cute detail he was just randomly saying those things under the assumption we were like close friends with him and would go "oh yeah totally man i know you dont have much interest in tnt, i believe you"
The red square disappeared when he moved his camera, so I assume it may have been an unrendered chunk showing the sky when the sun was setting or something similar
I thought it was that too, but I saw the janky sky rendering at one point in that save and it's a completely different color + it makes a long line across the screen, not just a square.
and iirc sunsets aren’t red yet edit: it looks to me like it could be a flame particle in his face. it would be very alpha of the game to mess up a particle, but idk what caused it
@@troneysauceyou do you know world is based on file level.dat so you could easily build a house on one world and send that one file to your friends and I believe the house would still be there but you have the the exact coronations in both world because your friend would not spawn in the same place I suggest making two different worlds make one with houses and then transfer the level.dat of one to another world see what happens
Relatable, i was born on a butcher farm in the middle of the woods in white trash country but the start of this video scared the shit outta me for some reason
So you're saying you're boring and have no desire to investigate and satisfy curiosity? You don't think that would be a fun adventure? That's lame. You get the L. I would want to pursue it because it would be fun and exciting. Avoiding it would be boring and lame.
Now imagine you are playing on a world and then stumble across a whole house you didn't build. All of those scripted Herobrine video come flashing back but this is real. Honestly I applaud his bravery to explore and record knowing how it would look on the Internet to viewers.
i actually like idea the multiplayer worlds may collide into your singleplayer world, somewhere far away. once a place with people now emptied forever, stuck in your own domain, always to remind you
Made a cool discovery: The pirated world was at least played on until Beta 1.5. The damaged saplings were from a short period where sapling type was defined by damage. So playing on almost any other version results damaged stacks of saplings. You can even find a chest with two stacks of oak saplings that, in b1.5 can't stack: this HAS to be the version it was last played in. This makes the timeline interesting. Somehow, someone broke saplings in B1.5, put them in the chest with diamonds. This is the world Zappa sent us. The world in dead's video, HAS NO SAPLINGS IN THE DIAMOND CHEST. Edit changed a large part of my conclusion here, Zappa doesn't seem to have moved through the world much, the area explored is tiny. Zappa might have made the little cave base you spawn in, but the rest of the world is likely the pirates. My current belief is that the pirate kept distributing the world with his save until b1.5, which happens to be the version Zappa finds the save for. Otherwise, he had to keep playing in the pirates base until b1.5, which would be MONTHS of gameplay without leaving that little base with very little to show for it. How else would Zappa upgrade versions without owning Minecraft? He likely went to the pirate again after his first experience. The alpha save in deads video is likely an older version of the pirates world, as there's several difference between it and zappas, yet Zappa save is genuine without a doubt.
I still think the 1.5 saplings are just from the pirate distributor continuing to build in his new updates, and releasing new versions that also contain his world.
@@Ghosty6464 I change my mind after commenting, just makes more sense for the pirate to keep distributing the version like you say, especially because Zappa doesn't appear to have a base in the download we got.
if this is true, they should try opening the world in beta 1.5 rather than alpha 1.2. The reason it was empty might have literally just been that they were opening it in an older version than the save was meant for, so it re-generated the chunks
@@bakubread9308 It is, I discovered this by opening the world in beta 1.5 after researching the sapling bug on the Minecraft forums. Players at the time were wondering why they were getting oak saplings that couldn't stack, turns out someone made an off by one error when adding saplings (which are actually newer than the trees they represent) so instead of saplings spawning with damage of 0 through 2, they spawned with 0 though 3, the third unused and defaults to the oak sapling sprite, though you couldn't stack it with an oak sapling. The "damage" value in b.15 defined what type of sapling you had. The big nail? He has this glitched sapling in a chest, right next to an oak one. A player, likely the pirate, literally experienced this bug while playing b1.5 and the evidence was somehow saved in the world after all these years. This is the only way you can have damaged saplings, it's not some glitch of converting the world or anything, it's just that any other version displays damaged saplings as just that instead of their b1.5 sapling type, as this was changed shortly afterwards.
Have I heard of this mystery? No. Have I played Minecraft in the last 10 years? Also no. But did I watch all 2 hours of this and found myself utterly engrossed in this mystery? YES
This is just old minecraft being old minecraft. It always felt haunted, extremely buggy af lol. I offered gifts to notch and herobrine like a little religious zealot out of fear that they would smite me down. Such things as the events shown in the video weren't uncommon back then.
Even though it's totally innocuous, there is something creepy about this stuff existing without you seeing it. Not the house, but the torches. The think that 14 years ago Deadskin was freaked out over seeing this obvious house in the distance but he didn't even know that there were torches and man-made mining tunnels mere block away and underneath him. It's not scary, but it gives me the creeps. To find out in hindsight that there were other things you did NOT place in your world that you can't even see... Creepy! That's creepypasta level fodder. Like something living under your map...
@@LexLiberty710it’s the same feeling as if you went on vacation, had your house locked, dishes washed before leaving but come back to a single dirty fork
No wonder herobrine got so popular, it was the fact that a whole bunch of kids felt eerie when seeing stuff they didn’t build and had to explanation and only had themselves to figure it out
unironically so in love with the concept of the red square. i love the red square. they are the best fictional character. they just showed up for 1 frame and decided to leave. legend.
in the same note, the first time I found an abandoned village I was curious, I try to explore it but the first house I open a creeper exploded in my face, I got so scared that I wonder if it was real. I used to play on flat cus my old pc couldn't handle minecraft, I never found that abandoned village, in fact I don't think I found another one until like 3 years ago
I remember being scared of the enderman staring sound hearing it for the first time when it was newly added. I was standing next to an iron golem and thought the iron golem was making that sound at first.
Man the "L's" take me back. I remember finding them all the time back then. My laptop was crappy at the time so I had to run it on the lowest render distance too, it was just a totally different vibe back then.
I’m not totally sure, but I also recall seeing these “L” shaped terrain formations. Maybe not on my PC/laptop, but perhaps the PS4 version. The old one.
the reason for the pirate's map to not have the base while playing alpha is because it was converted to the never versions when loaded up there, alpha didn't understand the data so just regenerated the world from the seed. looks like player inventory remained though
@@zusty9589 the world sent by zapa was updated to modern minecraft before being sent, so the world didnt work in alpha any more which is what greenthepear is explaining. The world that deadskin played and shared was all in alpha and not updated to newer minecraft tho
I don't think he lied about not exploring much of the world Back in those days, exploring sucked. You didn't have a bunch of structures or biomes for you to find, so often times you would just stay near your house Deadskin did alot in his world, very clearly, so most likely he just did what he wanted, built what he wanted. Given that 1 block in the nether = 8 blocks in the overworld (which he probably knew since he played the game for a while and knew about glitches like the infinitely burning tree) and traversing the nether sucks, it most likely felt way further than it actually was As for the house, if I was recording a video, I wouldn't say 'I haven't explored this world, except for that one time I walked in a single direction where I built a house', and as a different comment mentioned, he might have died and lost his house
exactly I was so confused why they were so stuck on an offhand comment like that, and even the random explored cave like thats just how people play, they go random directions and do random things and in a world that clearly had heavy time investment its not unusual
but somehow he never ventured a liiittle bit up north to see these massive chunk errors? also, why did he happen to build mineshafts the exact same way that appears in the strange house?
@@jadecoolness101 yeah but the way theyre cleared out and with the placement of the torches? it could definitely be coincidence but its something i cant overlook. their building styles have a large similarity outside of the half-ladders tech.
>Some UA-camrs investigate a weird glitch you posted about a decade later, showing off your old videos and trying to answer some of your questions 😄 >They absolutely roast your house
The darkened exposed caves are what make me think this is real. The fact that a torch was found there without the lighting being updated similar to how floating sand updates means that it couldn't have been placed by a player.
I was thinking the same. Inhad loads of chunk errors with dark caves in the early days but they would always correct if you interacted with a block or placed a torch. Can't see how you'd do that manually.
The dirt bridge is not good evidence for it being fake. Grass spreads pretty slowly, so if he or whoever owned it stopped playing on it before it finished spreading it’d appear in the new world like this.
Yes I agree, but in the world of the person who made the original video, who has very well established bases in the world of his own, the grass still wasn’t grown. Obviously by the time they get another one of the worlds from the pirated version they come to the conclusion that most of the dirt on the bridge was glitched
@@DavidsUternal Grass would only grow when the chunk was loaded. It makes sense that when the bridge was first found that it would be in the same state as it was when the pirate world was last played, no matter how long the new world was played for.
Well excuuuuuuse me Mr "I've never lost any minecraft boats!", if only we could all be as *perfect* as you. I bet you've made lots of TNT too, huh? Typical... (in all seriousness, I feel I should state for the record that I don't think I have ever crafted TNT in a single survival world, and I am in a constant state of crafting new boats after misplacing them. YES people like me exist, YES we are stupid, NO further questions your honor)
@@arandomidiot1593 The only thing I can think of that you'd need a lot for is netherite hunting. Most other uses I can think of involve TNT duplicators which only need a handful to start with.
Read back your conversation with Zappa, he didn't send you an alpha world because he didn't have it, the world he had was already converted to 1.16 and then he converted it to 1.20. That's why the house doesn't show up when you try to load the world in alpha. If you try opening that world in 1.16 it should work.
No, that's the beta/mcregion save. I looked in the files & it's McRegion. The modern 1.20.4 world is separate. Zappa seemingly doesn't have the original Alpha world, just the beta 1.3 (or later beta ver) McRegion conversion of it. Hence why the seed regens. When you open the "Alpha" folder he gave, it's in the McRegion folder setup.
@@Ghosty6464Well I didn't look at any files I just noticed that the conversation with Zappa shown in the video seemed to indicate that the files that Zappa sent him were for versions 1.16 and 1.20. Anyway the issue still was that he was trying to open the world in an older version of Minecraft that was incompatible with the world files. I wasn't aware that the world was available for download, I might download it and take a look at it later.
This is probably also why the saplings had durability, because beta 1.5 added birch and spruce saplings. They still had the same item ID, so alpha minecraft probably interpreted them as saplings with a certain amount of durability.
It’s so cool seeing people’s old Minecraft worlds. It’s like a ghost town or like an ancient structure that you have analyze to figure out what happened there lmao
Out of all the mysteries on the internet that end dying after smacking hard against a brick wall because of now forever lost evidence, we were bound to find at least one where someone had kept answers, even if that was akin to decades because of one reason or another.
@@thunderdrum325 Yeah as a newbie to Minecraft I just learned about the whole "Herobrine" creepypasta era and the one early video regarding Herobrine that got lost to time. Someone years later was like "wait I downloaded that video years ago - I had no idea this was lost media, here you go". I feel like there must be a lot of those cases. Lost media on people's old hard drives, private UA-cam posts, or with even older stuff, VHS and cassette rips.
Ok, only at the 10 minute mark, but for theory #2, Minecraft stores multiple chunks in one "Region" file. Having a giant cliff wall and a massive square of chunks is the _most_ common way. Seeing single torches or just a house would lead to it have being planted / edited to be there, instead of a file being locked during deletion.
i am definitely of the mind that this is due to said chunks saving on his current file, but somehow got bugged from a multiplayer sever, thus bringing the entire terrain gen with it
Since it was from a pirated version, I think world files were set to read only after extraction. Deleting the world file in-game maybe couldn't touch those files, hence the match up on the map coordinates wise.
see this is what i was thinking but how would there be a (clearly placed dirt bridge with torches on it) hanging OVER the original lower chunks, it would have gotten cut off right?
LOVE THIS. I especially love around the 1:30:00 mark. Just the slow realization that this is the EXACT SAME WORLD, Down to the items in the chests, gave me chills. Really gave MyHouse.WAD vibes. Like. It's the house again. OF COURSE it's the house again..
Zappa is a hero. Somehow he connected the dots 14 years ago and come up with the ultimate answer. No idea how he understood that the pirated version is the culprit.
@@childofgod759 How did he know that his pirated version is the same? I didn't notice deadskin shared anywhere what torrent he's got his posted version from
This is the best Minecraft video I've seen in years. Mystery, nostalgia, raw, slow paced content, no excessive editing... The whole video just reminded me of how we approached the game back in the days: creating and sharing stories, being scared or captivated by meaningless things, being baffled by that good old alpha/beta terrain generation, just taking our time... That moment when you were oddly fascinated by a single torch under a rock, or when you went upstairs in that weird empty house excepting nothing but still kinda exctited, I knew that was that kind of precious content I would'nt be seeing again anytime soon. Also love all the comments that add so much to the video.
something about the house in the modern version being covered in snow really adds to the atmosphere, almost as if the house has been literally frozen in time.
It is I remember seeing the exact red square glitch and something about opengl in the chat around the same time it appeared (i was still using optifine at the time hence the chat thing)
A hunch I have about the weird single torch placements is that they were just placing them as they walked along and saw the lighting glitches you spoke about earlier in the video. I played the game a lot back in alpha and this is something I'd do regularly. If you saw a big overhang that was just black, you couldn't see inside of it and it was just, overall, an eyesore to look at. So we'd place a single torch there which would fix the entire lighting error so you could see into the overhang and make it look less ugly in the process.
I wouldn't necessarily say that the grass on the bridge spreading pointing towards the video being fake. Assuming the glitch is real, the error could have simply caught the bridge at the moment of growth that we see and, since grass spreads very slowly, it would simply not have had time to spread much in the time Dead found it and recorded it
I can’t believe it. In one video you’ve confirmed that the deleted-world-leftovers glitch is real, that it is exactly what happened to deadskinmask, AND found out why he didn’t recognize the house (which is always something I wondered, if the deleted-world glitch was true). Awesome work :)
two of those "anomalies" (tree leaves not decaying, logs permanently on fire) actually both have very easy explanations ! the first is due to a bug in late alpha where notch, when getting rid of old leaf decay code that no longer fit the idea of the game he was going for, ended up deleting ALL of the leaf decay code, so that meant that no leaves could decay anymore. the only issue with this is that it's something that it's something thats 1.2.x specific, and if the world came from 1.1.x or before the leaves then wouldn't decay. the other thing, logs permanently on fire was, as far as i understand, basically a feature. it was a way to build fireplaces pre-netherrack, and was eventually removed once netherrack became a suitable replacement, altho i guess it wasn't quite removed at this specific version. i haven't a clue about the weird torch lighting though, apologies.
logs constantly on fire was another glitch, logs would occasionally burn away but this could sometimes take multiple attempts of lighting it on fire. a side effect of this was if a surface lava pool spawned in a forest it would set the whole forest ablaze, leaving behind what was effectively a burning log biome. lighting back then was glitchy and wouldn't update correctly in the best of circumstances. weird torch lighting is par for the course in alpha.
I relate to you guys so much, and you specifically. Because I did the same thing with my mom, a few days ago. Except that, the topics kept devolving into darker and darker topics, until it night time. We started the conversation late in the afternoon, and it ended at night.
I get that way with ADHD too honestly. I try to hold myself back from yapping because I know no one else is going to be quite as interested as I am, and I want to be polite, but some of my enthusiasm spills out anyway. Maybe the only difference is that with ADHD, I'm on to something else in a few weeks and don't care much anymore. I've wanted to make videos in this vein in the past, but I've never finished one. :-( So really, good on you @troneysauce for making this and editing it so well.
A few years ago Dead came back and made a few livestreams on youtube on minecraft. I became somewhat close with him around this period of time, as I ended up hosting an SMP server for him and his fans, (the VODs are still up if you wish to watch, in minecraft I go by T_mack). I spoke to him one-on-one a few times, and he swore to me to this day that he absolutely promises he did not fake the videos and that they were in no way a hoax. He told me that he has more important things in his life to do than to perpetuate a 1.5 decades old rumor and he has no reason to lie about it, and its very believable to be honest. I haven't fully watched your video on it yet, just thought I should pre-emptively leave a comment, but if you were unable to get in contact with him, I may be able to get you in contact with him.
You've overlooked a big thing! The OG save that Zappa sent you is not from any Alpha version... See, Minecraft has historically used three different save formats, the original "chunk" based one (chunks in individual files, sorted in nested folders named as base36 of the chunk coords), than a "region" based format (.mcr files in a single "region" folder, each containing 32x32 region) and the modern Anvil format (.mca files in a single "region" folder). Here, you thought the OG save is from Alpha, but that can not be the case, as the "region" format is used in the save. It has probably been converted to Beta version in the past. It is NOT possible to open "region" saves in Alpha. That explains, why there was just the terrain and no base in game. The level.dat was still there with the seed, but the chunk data was missing, so it was newly generated on your computer in the "chunk" format. *If you want to explore the original file from the video description, use at least version Beta 1.3!* --- -And honestly, there is one more interesting thing... This requires further evidence, but... Look at the OG map. There are no chunk errors or borders. Weird, isn't it? And there doesn't seem to be "much" from Zappa...- -I think you solved it all! You have the ORIGINAL map that glitched into Deadsk's world. You have the original author of the Very Strange House! The only concerning thing is the size of the generated area. Did he not explore at all? Even for Alpha, it's weird that the map is quite small and super regular. But it's possible.- *-Either way, the seed IS CORRECT, as there was the area when opened with invalid region files, so this has to be the ORIGINAL MAP!-* _EDIT: This is not correct, I somehow didn't realize, that the glitch was just in Deadsk's world. Zappa joined the world normally. Thanks @carcrashjayson!_
Zappa was saying the world was there when he downloaded the pirated version of the game. The idea is that it was also there when Deadskin downloaded it, he deleted it, it somehow glitched and some files remained and merged with the new world he created. Or maybe the glitched deletion had already happened with the version he got. Zappa's world has no chunk errors because there was no deletion or bugs involved.
@@Flashbatninja That came to my mind as well, but why would he do that? He would have to be hiding something... But he certainly looks like a skilled technical player that would definitely be able to do so. I know all of the Minecraft's technical backend stuff extremely well, but not really before Release 1.4, so I'm not sure how world generation worked back then. But this could be quite simply investigated by looking at the areas he could have been in for no new chunks to generate (+spawn chunks) and a diff of the save with a newly generated world with the same seed... Either way, I feel like the seed evidence is undeniable, so this has to be his base, not a glitched base into his would where he would cut out just the glitched base... But it would be cool to know the full story, I'd see what Zappa has to say about it.
@@carcrashjayson Omg, that's true. I somehow completely didn't realize that Zappa could actually join the world, and play in it legitimately. For some unknown reason I subconsciously thought that the distributed world had missing level.dat or something so it wasn't possible to join it normally. That explains a lot, including the matching seed. Still not sure where his 2nd base that he linked is, as he wrote on the forum, tho. Probably just the little cave they spawned in? Well, he's not probably the person we're looking for. I'm crossing it out in the original comment... Thanks!
As a game developer who is also somewhat familiar with Minecraft's inner workings, i'd like to first clear up that this version of minecraft is from way before i ever heard of the game, so it is NOT the era i am familiar with. But you keep bringing up that, regarding the chunk errors, "i can see it happening with a little area like this but this big seems like a stretch" e.g. at 34:00 ish you seem skeptical that it can span this far, and also earlier in the video when explaining the theories. However, i think rather the opposite is true: Modern minecraft saves work with "region files", which are 32x32 chunks in size. If a world was not fullt deleted when removing it from the save slots, it seems most reasonable to me that some error in resource management caused the individual region files to not all be deleted. If it happens to one file, it seems reasonable that many files could be spared from deletion in such a way, leading to a very large area of chunks being spared all at once, and thus causing a chunk error that's very large. I haven't finished watching the video as i type this, but given my knowledge, i'd honestly be far more surprised for a "world merge" glitch to affect anything less than a thousand chunks at a time
Back in alpha chunks were stored in a single file not region files but they were still seperate like this. Minecraft will declare a world "empty" if level.dat is missing or otherwise corrupted. As for how this happed i have no idea. But i can guess .. This version of minecraft came from a torrent yeah? Maybe they downloaded the torrent directly to appdata .. and left their torrent client open thus seeding certain chunk files. Were locked by windows when tried to be deleted. Or maybe they opened it again later and it re downloaded certain chunk files / missing chunk files into their level1 save.
1:01:08 5:56 AM in the morning and these guys explore a 14 year old minecraft world going after every little source of light they see. Sounds like a normal weekend for me lmao
For years, this mystery has always bothered me. It seemed so bizarre and unbelievable, but it felt genuine. I'm just shocked you found the answer after so long. Thank you.
who just casually uploads a 2 hour video about a minecraft world from like 13 years ago as their first video and manage to have it be such an amazing watch
there is something so goddamn eerie about rummaging through someone else’s world in a stage of the game where chunks consistently load wrong enough to bring other people’s buildings into your world and its also almost completely silent save for the loud grass squelching beneath your feet like those sections of the video had me completely transfixed
The world merging glitch happened to me back in the day, I remember after it happened the first time being super creeped out every time I found chunks of weird broken cliffs and builds from my old worlds. Later on, I was purposefully making it happen to try for cool worlds. I never saw anyone online talking about it, though, so I always assumed it was either my Minecraft version being weird or something happening with the awful laptop I used at the time.
I once joined my friend's pocket edition world way back in like 2014. He and his brother used an item duping glitch to build a giant house out of diamond blocks. A few days later, I got on one of my own worlds and I found, glitched into a hill, was the giant diamond tower. The trap doors used on the lamps were rotated and in the closed position and all the chests were empty. This was on an android tablet I got from my parents almost a decade ago that's now long gone so I obviously can't prove this, but I swear it happened.
I also have an early pocket edition chunk error experience, though it's nothing as crazy as yours. One time I was creating a world, and I think my tablet died right as the world creation was finishing, or I closed the game for some reason. When I reopened the game and loaded the world, half the chunks were corrupted in a weird checkerboard pattern. Half were in the right place, but it's like the rest of the chunks were just swapped at random in between each other. I tried recreating the same seed and also creating new worlds and intentionally closing the game right at the end, but couldn't get the same effect. Either I would miss the mark and the world would be generated normally, or I would do it too soon and the world would regenerate when I opened it. I might actually still have that world. The tablet has been sitting in a drawer with a broken screen for over a decade. It's not usable but it still turns on. I think I could get the world using an HDMI cable to connect it to a monitor and a mouse.
I don't think what he said about the mountain was sus, I think he just meant he couldn't find a way that's quicker than stacking up. No sprinting after all. Base and spawn would be pretty far too. (I was wrong on this point but think about how short the nether trip was in comparison plus render distance, they likely felt like they walked further then it should've been) 8x times the time it took travel through the nether so it makes sense he would turn back short. Grass would take forever to grow all the way down that bridge, in fact if he just built it should have LESS grass.
Yeah I think a lot of the dialog in this video is misinterpreting and taking too literally a lot of what was said in the original video. The original video was made by someone speaking pretty casually and who was probably very new to the game. I'm glad this video figured out the correct conclusion in the end, but it was a bit frustrating before that point seeing incorrect leaps of logic from being so sure the original guy was lying about something.
@@macil_techI think the plot development of this video is purposefully done that way. There’s a moment where OP says “yeah I used to get creeped out but as a game dev now, it can all be explained”. And then later when the map is showing the house but the version of the world has no home, OP says “this must literally be breaking physics”. As if it’s a call back, almost telling the viewer “this should raise the hairs on your neck”.
@marfology I don't like the parts where he calls the guy a liar in narration, even though after making the video, he should know he wasn't. This video would be very confusing for someone who is half listening (AKA most people watching a 2 hour video). A lot of claims made in the video are, at worst, made in bad faith, or at best poorly thought out and confusing.
@@tingular2902 Yeah my big critique of this video is that the long discovery phase should be shorter and less cynical. As they was saying things that supposedly "made it obviously fake" I was seeing that it was more and more real. Why would you go so far north for a cave in alpha Minecraft for example? When they showed again and again the guy was already stacked? There came a point where they were reverse convincing themselves over the silliest things. The important discovery here is the original world: with no download (at the time, thanks for the upload!) for some reason. The video should've been front loaded with that because it's the most important part.
I'm going to piggy back off my own comment to help spread this info because it could result in useful stuff to ask during the interview: The pirated world was at least played on until Beta 1.5. The damaged saplings were from a short period where sapling type was defined by damage. So playing on almost any other version results damaged stacks of saplings. You can even find a chest with two stacks of oak saplings that, in b1.5 can't stack: this HAS to be the version it was last played in. This makes the timeline interesting. Somehow, someone broke saplings in B1.5, put them in the chest with diamonds. This is the world Zappa sent us. The world in dead's video, HAS NO SAPLINGS IN THE DIAMOND CHEST. This implies an untouched Alpha version of the world that's still lost, that only dead has chunks directly from. It shouldn't be from the pirated version, as Zappa was posting before b1.5 when he would've downloaded it. So the only thing that makes sense is that for some reason, months later, Zappa put saplings in the diamond chest, during this short bug, and didn't take the diamonds. Very strange!
The way the world has creeper holes and you guys questioned how Dead lost boats and the TNT detail is actually very relatable to me. I'm not great at playing Minecraft normally and all I do is build terrible houses and just randomly roam around. This video is great. Thanks for the laughs!
herobrine walked so Creepy Ass Red Square could run
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@@troneysauce Hello. Following up on the description, would it be possible you could provide all the original files to the worlds featured in your video? Thank you!
@@ITAC85no!!!!!
@@ITAC85They will be uploaded eventually. Hopefully tomorrow if everything goes according to plan!
@@skignorfOmg it's the homie Skignorf
18:08 I KNOW WHAT THE RED SQUARE IS!!!! so basically in alpha 1.2 a new red glow was added to sunsets and sunrises, well basically there was a bug with opening your inventory, pausing the screen or opening a chest where the polygon that makes up the red glow were to turn into a solid colour, such as red in this case. I recreated it with my computer and took a screenshot. I'll post a link in the replies. Dangit someone already solved it already :/
it appears you have links turned off, oh well :/
hey for what its worth i appreciate your efforts and you did a great job
@@elijahloby5400 - same here. thank you jory! ^_^
@@JustJoryGenuine question, how do you turn on links? Possible on mobile too? Can you have access to that feature if you just started making your channel? Mlem
yeah I assumed it was a chunk unloading then reloading
okay my crackpot theory is that Zappa is actually the guy who distributed the alpha pirated version. That's _his_ world and that's why he recognized it.
He only didn't admit to it because- to this day he lives in fear of hearing a knock on his door to find Notch and like 25 lawyers
I would love if that were true, however I have a feeling he would have mentioned that when Tronesos spoke to him. Good theory, though!
That’d be really funny xd
Like, yeah, it's definitely a long-shot......but it Would explain why the very-alpha-looking cobblestone waterfall build was finished on his version of the world. Clearly, the version of the map Zappa had was ever so slightly newer than the version that came packaged with minecraft-alpha-real-nofake-notvirus.exe or whatever it was that deadskin downloaded.
@@DagothXilDidn't zappa mention that they used the base for a bit?
Notch is actually very chill about pirates. He once challenged a pirate to a game of quake.
I love how the answer just turned out he was using pirated software and outed himself to the internet in his confusion, but only people who had also used that pirated software would know about it.
Can confirm, I had something similliar as back in 2010 parents wouldn't let me buy the game for months.
Okay I'm kinda forgetful even tho l watched the whole video few days ago but what caused the strange house that he definitely did not build to be there??
@@wexdust so, with the cracked downloads of Minecraft you usually got the old EXE/launcher and the entire file library in .minecraft, including the Saves folder. So, even if the crack distributor had deleted his world in-game before sharing the files, the bug where some of the datafiles remained in the folder for Save Slot (World) 1-5. So when someone made a new save on said slot, there is a chance any chunk corruption would load data from the previous save. So, the chance of this happening was much much higher with cracked downloads than normal downloads simply because if those files existed in the crack, every single person who downloaded a copy would have a much higher chance of experiencing it.
That makes so much sense. I remember deleting a world because I was lost because my chunk distance had to be very low, so I made a new world and found my old home. Thought I was just stupid cause I was just 10. The pirated exe was Minecraft SE
Thanks for spoiling my now I don't need to watch this video.
Herobrine on his way to deviously build a house in your world is such a hilarious thought
Mwahaha, now for my evil plan!!
Building… A home!!!
it was the red square not herobrine
This is something dr doofensmirtz would do
Don't call him devious, herobrine just needed a mancave
He needed a crib to go back to for safety after a full day of tormenting the player
Seeing it in the modern version with the biomes all changed with the different coloured grass is like seeing a place from your childhood all overgrown and abandoned.
older minecraft has a nice nostalgia feel to it but also just feels oddly eerie in a way with it's flat colors and often empty space. feels kind of liminal which i love
To me, playing new minecraft feels like going to the arcade you loved as a kid. Youre older than all the other people at the arcade now. The friendly old dude who owned the arcade is gone and instead some big corporation owns it. They still have some of the old classic games: Pacman, Racing, street fighter, air hockey etc. But they also have a bunch of new crazy touch screen games like the minecraft rpg and cyberpunk and jurassic world VR.
And everything costs $5 per play instead of 25 cents.
@@marinacroy1338 yeah! Like it's still fun it just feels different
@@marinacroy1338 man, going to arcades is so expensive, I remember when I played the entire Metal Slug 3 with less than a dollar, now I can't fucking finish the Halo arcade in less than 50 dollars
@@mossybeewasteland right? it's like a horror game where nothing happens. it's so eerie and ominous for no reason. I adore it.
“The spawn point was only a few minutes away” OKAY BUT YOUR HONOR WHAT IF MY CLIENT WAS LITERALLY JUST LAZY
Your honor, the spawn point was literally A MINUTE away, I rest my case.
@@troneysauce YOUR HONOR the walk speed is VERY slow and due to my clients trip through the nether he MAY HAVE WRONGLY ASSUMED HE WAS MUCH FARTHER THAN HE TRULY WAS FROM SPAWN, THEREFORE HE DID NOT PUT A GREAT EFFORT TOWARDS GOING BACK TO SPAWN!! **TAKE THAT**‼️
@@Vee-naner Sustained. Open world games are a bitch
@@troneysauceif you think about the render distance back then and the general slowness of Minecraft back then it’s safe to assume he walked for a bit bit and since the nether was new, it was advertised as taking you much farther than it actually did, so he likely thought he was very far away and it wasn’t worth it to walk all that way, especially since he had a portal home. But just a thought
You fool! it was an upside down L this whole time! It was a Waluigi scheme all along!
Imagine having the key to a mystery but the person investigating it is too polite to send you a message.
My dad lived in the region of the radio station with „ the most mysterious song in the world“ he could have maybe known the band members but „hes too lazy to remember“
Exactly like i wouldve stood for myself and try to explain how important that was
Minecraft was just the PERFECT storm of "Ghosts in the code". All these little coding mistakes that would have unintended side effects, creating giant mysteries in the minds of the kids playing at the time. It created this aura of creepy and inexplicable things happening, and the potential for more to happen. It added an "edge" to the experience as a kid, because you knew deep down that you never knew when something would happen.
Yes to all of this! I remember when I encountered my first Minecraft glitch anomaly. On pocket edition YEARS ago, not too long after Creative was added iirc, I opened a new world and flew over to a village, hoping to make my house there. But within minutes EVERYTHING was catching fire. I freaked out, trying to douse the flames that quickly spread to each rooftop. It was the most stubborn fire ever. This was in broad daylight…no weather or lightning as those hadn’t been added yet. I felt really creeped out, as there were also no villagers. Since the buildings were pretty badly damaged, I decided to start over using the same seed. That way I’d know there was a village and how to find it, but hopefully without the fire. But NOPE. Fire started again, just like the first time. Once again, no idea what caused it. This time I was quicker to put it out since I was on guard lol. Really freaked me out, though…I felt like a time traveler being forced to witness the same natural disaster wreck a village over and over again. This video brought those memories flooding back!
Sadly I didn’t write down the seed info or anything like that. I’d love to know what was causing it, in the code.
This.
@@proverbialloaf Must have been weird generation with a Blacksmith's lava pool and a tree or something that could catch fire appearing above it
And also alpha and beta minecraft had a really lonely and eerie atmosphere
I started playing minecraft in 2009-2010. I remember being so fascinated with the coding and the idea of the procedural landscape. In my first world ever, I saw a tutorial explaining how you can make a tall lava tower so you never lose your base. I had 2 of them sticking up from the middle of a lake, as well as a water tower near my house. I remember trying to mod the game to get INVedit or something, and messed up my files, so I reinstalled but had lost my world (which was in the first save slot). When I created a new world on the fresh install, I remember finding a chunk error area after some time which contained my 3 towers, original dirt house, and some tunnels I made to avoid zombies. I kept a save of the file to show my friends and didn't play on it. I still have the laptop at my parents house and will be sure to go and see if the files are still there, though I would have no way of proving the towers came from a previous world, I think.
At the time, I believed that minecraft's universe was infinite, as no one had reached the world border back then (or at least, not that I knew of). So when I stumbled across my old base, I remember being filled with so much wonder. It was such an amazing experience for me, that I have a core memory of first stumbling across that old base. It's completely burned into my memory, and I think about it quite often and even have had dreams about it. It was very cool to see this video and get brought back to the time when minecraft was a new frontier for young people getting their first computers and exploring the inner workings of the original metaverse. Super cool. Please do what you know you have to do, and find the original owner of the base from the pirated version lol
1:43:27 i don't think he lied about not knowing where his main base was. minecraft was much slower back then and that combined with lower render distance made small distances seem much bigger than they really were. he probably walked for half a minute and then turned back around so he wouldn't loose the glitched house.
My bet is the houses to the south of his spawn were built on his first life - he died, couldn't find them again so built around his spawn so he wouldn't lose anything. I don't think people appreciate how hard it was to navigate in early Minecraft and how often you learned the hard way
@@sooperkula Also the atmosphere of the early builds can make you extremely paranoid so I don't think he was thinking rationally
this was my impression as well, same with the "couldn't find a way up" he likely didn't want to stray far from the path he could see and built his way up when he saw the wall went on for a while
@@maxwellattacks6645 he literally got someone elses house randomly in his world. Of course he wasn't thinking rationally lol
To be fair he definitely could have just lied though, if he said he walked not far from spawn and found a house it would not be believable at all but really far away you could assume he probably didn’t find it before.
A quick add as an old player: back in the day when we were kids and almost all Minecraft builds were pirate, it was normal for it to come with some worlds already in it. Either because the one uploading the pirated version forgot yo erase them, or because he just wanted to share his own worlds, or maybe a friend sent you the pirated MC and he just sent the entire folder with it.
Anyway, it was also common to "trick" people. Specially new young players. People would create scary constructions hidden in the world, and then the new player would find it, usually waaay later (days, months or even years later!).
I remember having a world that I thought was brand new, only to find some spooky scary huge crosses (like the Christians ones) far away from spawn in the middle of nowhere. That really made me very afraid.
big if true
Seems like it, the owner might have deleted the original world that came with the game and created a new world in its save slot or maybe the game may have included residual files in the save slot and then created a new world in that slot. Wording is so confusing
i swear i can vaguely remember stuff like this, but it's been SO long
@@postpavilioni didn’t deal with giant crosses but back in the day i did come across a very poor tree house in the jungle, in either the forest or second jungle update, only know am i realizing why
Everyone I knew had a pirated version of Minecraft when it first released, I don't know anyone who had an actual copy. No one bought music, no one bought computer games, no one bought anything. Most Minecraft "mysteries" from 14 years ago can be solved by the ownership of illegitimate copies, because even though we were all doing it, no one wanted to admit they were pirating Minecraft. Lol.
I used to type in random ip addresses into the server search until I would reach random people’s private servers. Now I wonder how many people got freaked out seeing a house they didn’t build in their world from me lol
You're more evil than me
And i used to slowly kill ants and other bugs as a small kid
Yeah this is some cynical shit that took time to think about 😂
The chance of finding a server by entering random ips seems really small
@@ActuallyThijs Oh I agree, especially looking back on it now. I’d change a few numbers on the end and got a few servers out of like 100 tries.
Other times I tried it I ran out of patience because I couldn’t find any servers and I think that’s when I stopped
Bro was herobrine irl
- Casually creates a channel
- Proceeds to create a single video, a documentary about a strange phenomen, that is well documented and is 2 hours long
- Its a banger
aww stop soviet union, you're making me blush
@@troneysauce no problem comrade 💀
Hopefully doesn't refuse to elaborate and leaves.
Poles are just different
@@troneysaucegives the same energy as “thanks Obama”
You know, a lot of people are genuinely upset that Zappa solved this 14 years ago, but fail to understand the following: that explanation was hard to find, unverified, and slowly disappearing over time. You can say "Zappa solved it" all you want (that is true), but the screenshots and proof were GONE. It no longer existed. This video was an independent search, and they found and confirmed the solution that was practically decaying over time. It's almost like people can't grasp the concept that someone knowing something at a specific point in time doesn't automatically make everybody else know it. Now we all know with certainly what happened. It was entertaining, informative, and interesting. The ending of the video even has a dedication to Zappa, where he goes over this and calls him the original and true solver.
Thank you for explaning it perfectly.
@@troneysaucethank you for bringing him to light and giving him the proper credit!
Zappa Solved part of it but we still didn't have all the answers regarding the video which @troneysauce shed light into honeslyt I hadn't even heard of this mistery until today and I used to be big into MC misteries and such, really awesome research into the strange quirks of the game and the community
they ate breakfast though
A common thing in the Science that some "Nobel prize" discoveries were actually made quite some time before, just too few people knew about it that time. And then comes another scientist who makes the same discovery but popularizes it for a wider audience.
I like how at the beginning it’s like this big mystery that really feels like it should’ve been impossible, only to realize that it’s been solved since it was first a question, it’s like being a detective asking your assistant to hand you a file for a cold case about a missing person only to realize the case was actually solved and was just never recorded as such, and then you realize that the assistant who handed you the file was the missing person
That's a short horror story if i ever heard one.
It's like asking you assistant to hand you a cold missing person case only to realize the case was actually solved and your assistant is the "missing" person.
@@rhettbaldwin8320yeah, that's what they said. Wtf?
Oh shut up
Oh my gosh this comment is perfect 😅
zappa either has severe adhd or is extremely organized
may be both im both lol (i have never thrown away a laptop)
Doesn't ADHD generally make it harder to organise things? I have ADHD and I'm shit at organising anything.
@@Unkn4wN_TM really depends. ADHD is a spectrum, AUADHD exists. It's possible someone could have adhd and be extremely organization based in their life
@@Unkn4wN_TM ah I meant forgetting about the thing as a whole. I have adhd as well and a lot of my files are just scattered around in my phone, if I searched for something, I'd probably find something from years before too
My man came outta nowhere, dropped a 2 hour long resurfacing nostalgia for us all, and somehow managed to please the algorithm to have his video noticed
Impressive
He's a witch!!!
I didn't even notice this was his first video, im thoroughly impressed
UA-cam gives everyone's first upload a huge boost in algorithm, still very impressive and deserved
We are all here for the lore. We love lore. Human curiosity is never satisfied
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Minecraft mystery videos always do well
The L's are actually a reference to Llerobrine, Jeb's cousin who died in a swedish fish factory accident.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Bro is making walmart creepypasta
Also btw the two Ls in the name Llerobrine sound like an H, if I’m correct possibly Welsh, or something like that. So theoretically, peeps spell it how it sounds
I remember comments like this. So funny
I think most of the so called "dramatization" could be attributed to him being genuinely scared as hell. I could easily imagine him starting to walk back to his base and in the moment it feels like a long time because hes probably sweating buckets.
No cap, I'd be shitting myself. Probably would've just deleted the game immediately and put down Minecraft for a while so good on him for posting if true
EXACTLY
@@Torvinoidold mc atmosphere is already scary as fuck, now imagine seeing what he saw, he has all the right to be shitting his pants
it's also something more casual gamers do. almost like they're more immersed in the game
@@disposable3167 to be fair it's a lot easier to get immersed when you aren't constantly going to wikis and looking up various efficiencies. I'd say a casual gamer can probably enjoy games a lot more because of that. Or maybe if not more per se, at least in a different way that most hardcore gamers can't anymore.
"thank you zappa2510" we all way in unison
The "I lost my boats" bit could be a related to the fact that boats used to not drop as boats when they were destroyed, but instead would just give you some wood and sticks. Basically, he's saying he doesn't make surplus boats, he just makes them when he needs them, and then breaks or loses them.
Does this seriously even need to be explained? All I can say is wow, how sad.
Also, I remember boats in early versions of the game having a bad habit of just drifting away all the time.
@@KefkeWrenit was EXTREMELY bad they’d literally just end up in the middle of nowhere in a lake.
Why didn't he just make more boats? They take 5 wood planks.
Speaking of, why did he not find his base when he "walked for so long"? Why could he not find an easier way up the chunk error wall? I think this guy might be lazy.
@@gigastrike2 He did make more boats. That's implied by him saying "I lost _all_ my boats." Losing boats was a common problem in Alpha and Beta. That's why they changed the physics on them.
For the second, I'm going to give him the benefit of a doubt. In Deadsk1nmask's video, the sun is just rising at the start. That implies that either he spent a long time exploring the area (in which case you'd expect more grass on the bridge), or he got there at night/late in the day. Add to that the fact that he didn't explore far enough to find the easy way up the cliff that was nearby, so he's probably either impatient, or was unwilling to risk getting lost in the dark (Alpha/Beta nights were much darker, due to the different lighting engine). While his base is technically in walking distance, it's not exactly close, and at night he wouldn't have been able to easily see it on the horizon either.
Whilst I like this video, there is a massive misconception with how Deadsk1n found the area. Rewatching his original video, he stated that he made a portal to "hell" in his base, and then in hell made another to fast travel. He then followed with "I don't know where I am." Not that he was LOST, but simply he had no clue where the portal lead him.
I explored the world myself and I can confirm this. Going into the Base-He-Didn't-Build portal, there's a cobblestone path leading all the way back to his Home portal, with a small platform at the latter portal. The distance between the portals is ~50 blocks, and seeing as one block in the nether is eight blocks in the overworld, he traveled over 400 blocks away. The furthest render distance in 1.2.0 was "Far" at 16 chunks, or 256 (16 * 16), meaning there is no conceivable way he could've seen his base. I would also like to add that the teleporting mechanics were not known in depth. The update logs for the Halloween Update says "A brand new hell world for fast travel. Portal in, move ten meters, portal out, and you're hundreds of meters away." which is misleading and in fact could make Deadsk1n believe he's EVEN FURTHER away.
Trone(y)'s point in the video is that he walked less than a minute real time in the direction of the compass before dead's base became visible. In dead's video around the 4 minute mark he stated he "walked for a while" and "never found" his own base or spawn point. Most reasonable people would not consider walking less than 60 seconds "a while". It's clearly an exaggeration intentional or not.
Also while the original patch may have been vague and implied 10:1 ratio, the 8:1 ratio for the nether quickly became public knowledge pretty early on and it has never changed. Someone who saw the blog post prior to going into the nether portal 50 blocks away from the previous one, could easily assume that their base was no more than 500 block away (which would've taken maybe 2 minutes to get to on that build of Minecraft.)
There was no misconception he was poking fun at a small point in an old video that is worth of poking fun at, dead was clearly exaggerating for the sake of making the story more interesting.
Exactly! i brought this up to my wife and she didnt even seem to care, so smacked the shit out of her. its ok, we made up and she apologized 🤦♂️
Wtf is that comment above me 🤣🤣
@@nex3mber most likely a bot.
on top of this, he talks about the lighting glitch thing, that wasn't as common in alpha if I remember correctly, he showed footage from 1.3.2 (when minecraft was still freshly moved to server client) which had a lot of lighting glitches.
The most mysterious part of this video is that zappa is just chilling with this decade old barely played pirated minecraft world in his back pocket like its nothing
I dont understand how he had it. He found the file in just a few hours too💀
Until my old hard drive died a few years ago, I had dozens of old saves from various points in MC history. I even kept the mod and config setup backed up alongside those saves. Some were old servers I ran, and others were single player saves. Due to my careful archiving, I could revisit the worlds and just see how much I've changed, and at the same time have not. It's humbling, and really lets you appreciate the things you otherwise wouldn't have in the moment.
Im a data hoarder (in some way), i would probably save a world save too 🤷♀️ @@troneysauce
@@Rafael_FuchsYup once they're gone, they're gone.
He knew it would be vital one day
This video is 30% creepy stuff analysis and 70% two dudes suddenly becoming best friends.
The L's mean the world is haunted by Luigi
L is real
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The ugly house is Luigi’s mansion
Weegee board
just shat my trousers in fear
Honestly i believe structures reappearing from deleted save files should've been worked into becoming a feature, especially if it was called ruin structures. Would give the game more variety in structures as well as make the game unique to each person. Imagine not playing Minecraft since 2015, but got back into it today and creating a new world and while exploring you find the ruins of an old base, it would bring back forgotten memories of playing Minecraft and building that base
That would be so insanely fucking creepy even in current day and age, and I love the concept.
could make for an awesome mod.
Sounds hard to implement.
It fits very much within the old Minecraft vibe
@@KingdomHeartsFan-mu9cfIt is relatively easy but wouldn't work if you deleted your old worlds, and would only work for worlds the launcher knows the location of. If you had a separate instance of the game under a different directory and using an alternative launcher, an instance running with the vanilla launcher wouldn't be able to know about it.
i used to actually get creeped out playing early minecraft when i was alone. something like this happening, then no one believing me would've FUCKED me up
I kid you not, I played Minecraft survival exclusively in peaceful mode because monsters were scary. Up until I was 18.
Six whole years, half of my Minecraft career, spent like this. Older versions were somewhat scarier than modern ones, but it might be because I'm used to it by now.
@@ZestieeeMinecraft used to be so eerie lowkey
I can't play horror games and playing Minecraft when it was night in game gave me hardcore anxiety so I only played creative lol
Also, before I was able to play real Minecraft I played a free to play ripoff game called Minetest.
That game was A LOT more eerie than Minecraft itself. The caves were dark as hell, I'm pretty sure the game had NO audio at ALL, and there were some weird bear-like monsters underground that legitimately frightened me. I barely remember their appearance because I would avoid them at all costs but my 12 year old mind classified them as bears.
Just of curiosity I'm looking those mfs up right now.
EDIT: I couldn't find anything. Apparently the base game has no mobs? But I remember it clearly. They were 2D figures always facing the player, and not 3D models like Minecraft mobs. I'm sure. I swear.
It was summer/autumn 2012 when I played.
@@Zestieee pretty sure the mob you're talking about is called "Dungeon Master". They shoot fireballs which destroy blocks. I think they were implemented in some versions and then removed or disabled by default because they were griefing too much. I used to play on a Minetest server when I was a kid and remember fighting these mobs every time I tried to use the community subway.
28:27 Poland mentioned
Wcześniej kiedy było yt na tej stronie gdzie było czy komuś też tak sie stało yt było po polsku
Więc czy on jest polakiem?
bro just casually drops an entire full length documentary with actual research as first vid, you guys cooked
**joins UA-cam**
**uploads a well documented video with tons of research into a random minecraft alpha glitch**
**leaves without elaborating**
@@purpleplays69420 honest chad move
Dude I don't even realize this is his first video that's nuts
cooked what
@@notnotadev i've cooked some eggs this morning
this is peak minecraft content. nostalgic old versions. weird bugs. spooky mystery. a couple of friends shooting the shit. long-form so you can use as background noise. i absolutely require more.
It is my favorite kind of content
I love that zappo has a 13 - 14 year old minecraft save but you dont know where some of the clips you recently recorded went
To be fair I think the clips were being recorded through Nvidia Shadowplay and as someone with years of experience using that system I know it's not always reliable at saving clips into the folders you'd expect them to be saved in. It's a regular occurrence for me when I use it save replays while playing a game that those replays end up in the Paint .NET folder because I happened to have that program open in the background while playing the game, I assume this has something to do with how shadowplay functions with desktop recording enabled like I have it set to
They just disappeared into thin air, probably an accidental deletion cause we had so many clips but it’s still kinda funny.
@@skignorfIt's absolutely understandable tbf, recording stuff is pretty intensive and it's expected to eventually lose SOME footage. I think the intention was just to show how incredibly small the chance that Zappa still had the files readily available rather than dunking on either of you.
Completely unrelated, but I have really bad eyesight and from a distance your pfp looks like it's a guy's head instead of a little chibi, with the outstretched arm being a nose and the hat just being a smaller hat ahrng. I thought it was REALLY funny but I'm also incredibly tired rn so whatever.
Bro ive accidentally deleted really important footage for my film projects in college multiple times before its so much easier than youd think itd be unfortunatly
@@splendidsimp same, or not even deletion but the video files could’ve corrupted, thats what happened to a lot of my childhood photos, especially baby photos, so i only have very few now. Or then again deletion. 🤷♀️
Zappa really solved the mystery that haunted people for 14 years the day after it was announced. Legend.
Fr
Zappa had the real life equivalent of the ace attorney evidence that cracks the entire case open. It looked so joever for deadskin but it turned around completely.
why are you called that
@@TheYeetedMeat The amulet's vile curse
Nice name 😂
@@PregnantAdamSandler 😦
Zappa literally did a "Your Honor, that report is outdated" moment.
its insane that this video had a coherent story arc. in the beginning i was highly skeptical about this being real, but started to believe after you showed zappa's original comment and then showed that deadskin had the balls to actually upload the save. then i lost all faith and thought for sure deadskin was bullshitting after you explored the world and showed how close the build was to his spawn. then i flipped again after seeing that zappa did indeed have his own world with the build in it, but still thought that he was lying about some of the details for dramatization (theres no way he couldve not known he was that close to spawn... right?). and then as i finished the video and read the comments even the things he said that seemed like lies started to fall into place after being reminded of how different minecraft was back in the day (boats didnt drop, most people played on low render distance by todays standards and there was no sprint so it was easier to misjudge distance, the nether was new and not yet widely understood, etc). i now fully believe he was telling the truth in the entire video.
also i love this style of video where its just hours of raw unabridged commentary going over every step of solving a mystery, PLEASE make more
This comment means A LOT to me, you don't even understand. Thank you.
@@troneysauce ayy you actually read my comment! cheers man
I think I played a very early version of Minecraft once and my little 8 yr old butt got stranded at sea because I misclicked which in turn me not liking the game at my growing years lol. The old boats are a pain way back then. Also for the render distance, yeah pair that with a pretty old computer some people actually put it in a shorter render distance so the game wont burn the house down. I remember dying from skeletons so much lol good times
i think him saying "ive only made 3 tnt" isnt trying to prove that hes not lying, hes trying to show that he didnt just make it and forget about
i think it's a cute detail he was just randomly saying those things under the assumption we were like close friends with him and would go "oh yeah totally man i know you dont have much interest in tnt, i believe you"
Totally unprovable nonsense
@@wungomungo6177 what
@@wungomungo6177 what
@@wungomungo6177what?
This genuinely got me anxious the entire video, this is psychological horror, no jokes
Yeah, it also got me too.. I guess I'll be dreaming of red squares today
Zoomers really think anything is "horror" lmao
The red square disappeared when he moved his camera, so I assume it may have been an unrendered chunk showing the sky when the sun was setting or something similar
Definitely the cause of the spooky square, just alpha minecraft being jank
I thought it was that too, but I saw the janky sky rendering at one point in that save and it's a completely different color + it makes a long line across the screen, not just a square.
and iirc sunsets aren’t red yet
edit: it looks to me like it could be a flame particle in his face. it would be very alpha of the game to mess up a particle, but idk what caused it
@@troneysauceyou do you know world is based on file level.dat so you could easily build a house on one world and send that one file to your friends and I believe the house would still be there but you have the the exact coronations in both world because your friend would not spawn in the same place I suggest making two different worlds make one with houses and then transfer the level.dat of one to another world see what happens
maybe the weirdly loaded chunks had different properties and caused it to glitch differently?@@troneysauce
38:00 you're playing on a PC from 14 years in the future. his render distance wasnt that far, it was likely he didnt see it
im playing on the same version with the same render distance
@@troneysauce it really doesnt seem like it is the same render distance
@@troneysauceYou definetly didn't have the same render distance
"I was born in the hood and I get scared of Minecraft" one of the best things ive heard ever
Relatable, i was born on a butcher farm in the middle of the woods in white trash country but the start of this video scared the shit outta me for some reason
same
i was born in the hood too
ingnore the butt show vid
Read that the exact time he said it in the vid, lmao
If I heard a grass footstep sound behind me whilst I was AFK, I would uninstall all files related to Minecraft from my computer.
Yeah if I discovered all that stuff on my singleplayer world I would never touch the game again...
So you're saying you're boring and have no desire to investigate and satisfy curiosity? You don't think that would be a fun adventure? That's lame. You get the L. I would want to pursue it because it would be fun and exciting. Avoiding it would be boring and lame.
@@ratzmoonmopes2695 You would die first in a horror movie.
@@darthadipose1920and not by the killer, by the other survivors to shut him up
Now imagine you are playing on a world and then stumble across a whole house you didn't build. All of those scripted Herobrine video come flashing back but this is real. Honestly I applaud his bravery to explore and record knowing how it would look on the Internet to viewers.
i love this friendship dynamic y'all have
also i'm so glad you actually type your fucking captions instead of using autogenerated captions
our friendship dynamic is hating each other
@@troneysauceshjut up
@@skignorfbrotherhood 💪
they are auto generated if you’re talking about the youtube ones
@@joechristo2thr captions *in* thr video
i actually like idea the multiplayer worlds may collide into your singleplayer world, somewhere far away. once a place with people now emptied forever, stuck in your own domain, always to remind you
Made a cool discovery: The pirated world was at least played on until Beta 1.5. The damaged saplings were from a short period where sapling type was defined by damage. So playing on almost any other version results damaged stacks of saplings. You can even find a chest with two stacks of oak saplings that, in b1.5 can't stack: this HAS to be the version it was last played in.
This makes the timeline interesting. Somehow, someone broke saplings in B1.5, put them in the chest with diamonds. This is the world Zappa sent us. The world in dead's video, HAS NO SAPLINGS IN THE DIAMOND CHEST.
Edit changed a large part of my conclusion here, Zappa doesn't seem to have moved through the world much, the area explored is tiny. Zappa might have made the little cave base you spawn in, but the rest of the world is likely the pirates.
My current belief is that the pirate kept distributing the world with his save until b1.5, which happens to be the version Zappa finds the save for. Otherwise, he had to keep playing in the pirates base until b1.5, which would be MONTHS of gameplay without leaving that little base with very little to show for it. How else would Zappa upgrade versions without owning Minecraft? He likely went to the pirate again after his first experience.
The alpha save in deads video is likely an older version of the pirates world, as there's several difference between it and zappas, yet Zappa save is genuine without a doubt.
I still think the 1.5 saplings are just from the pirate distributor continuing to build in his new updates, and releasing new versions that also contain his world.
@@Ghosty6464 I change my mind after commenting, just makes more sense for the pirate to keep distributing the version like you say, especially because Zappa doesn't appear to have a base in the download we got.
if this is true, they should try opening the world in beta 1.5 rather than alpha 1.2. The reason it was empty might have literally just been that they were opening it in an older version than the save was meant for, so it re-generated the chunks
@@bakubread9308 It is, I discovered this by opening the world in beta 1.5 after researching the sapling bug on the Minecraft forums.
Players at the time were wondering why they were getting oak saplings that couldn't stack, turns out someone made an off by one error when adding saplings (which are actually newer than the trees they represent) so instead of saplings spawning with damage of 0 through 2, they spawned with 0 though 3, the third unused and defaults to the oak sapling sprite, though you couldn't stack it with an oak sapling. The "damage" value in b.15 defined what type of sapling you had.
The big nail? He has this glitched sapling in a chest, right next to an oak one. A player, likely the pirate, literally experienced this bug while playing b1.5 and the evidence was somehow saved in the world after all these years.
This is the only way you can have damaged saplings, it's not some glitch of converting the world or anything, it's just that any other version displays damaged saplings as just that instead of their b1.5 sapling type, as this was changed shortly afterwards.
Can confirm that opening the alpha version of Zappo's world in Beta 1.5 works, and all the structures are there
Have I heard of this mystery? No.
Have I played Minecraft in the last 10 years? Also no.
But did I watch all 2 hours of this and found myself utterly engrossed in this mystery? YES
same
This is just old minecraft being old minecraft. It always felt haunted, extremely buggy af lol. I offered gifts to notch and herobrine like a little religious zealot out of fear that they would smite me down. Such things as the events shown in the video weren't uncommon back then.
Note that I was a child back then
Dementia
honestly the bugs were features lowkey cuz that made the game more interesting and mysterious lmfao
The perfectly square "mineshafts" were terrifying. And inspired the abandoned mines lol
This would be haunted, you’ve just walked into the shell of someone else’s life
Even though it's totally innocuous, there is something creepy about this stuff existing without you seeing it. Not the house, but the torches. The think that 14 years ago Deadskin was freaked out over seeing this obvious house in the distance but he didn't even know that there were torches and man-made mining tunnels mere block away and underneath him. It's not scary, but it gives me the creeps. To find out in hindsight that there were other things you did NOT place in your world that you can't even see... Creepy! That's creepypasta level fodder. Like something living under your map...
yeah its like someone was moving around and not just in one place
Would you say that its the same feeling you would get if you went to the bathroom while your home alone, and realise the toilet seat is warm?
@@LexLiberty710it’s the same feeling as if you went on vacation, had your house locked, dishes washed before leaving but come back to a single dirty fork
No wonder herobrine got so popular, it was the fact that a whole bunch of kids felt eerie when seeing stuff they didn’t build and had to explanation and only had themselves to figure it out
unironically so in love with the concept of the red square. i love the red square. they are the best fictional character. they just showed up for 1 frame and decided to leave. legend.
gone but not forgotten o7 red square
maybe red square are the friends we made along the way
🟥
@@richardzhang7954hi red square 🟥
someone already explained that it was a visual glitch from when try added a red glow for sunsets and sunrises
I shall remember this video forever for being the first video where i fell asleep near the end and had my first sleep paralysis experience
"At this point, autism took over" thats such a mood omg
the first time i saw an npc village, i didnt know they had been added to the game and it scared me shitless
the first time I saw an iron golem in game while making my own village I was like WHAT THE FUCK????
in the same note, the first time I found an abandoned village I was curious, I try to explore it but the first house I open a creeper exploded in my face, I got so scared that I wonder if it was real. I used to play on flat cus my old pc couldn't handle minecraft, I never found that abandoned village, in fact I don't think I found another one until like 3 years ago
@@B-LuxWhat is “flat”?
I remember being scared of the enderman staring sound hearing it for the first time when it was newly added. I was standing next to an iron golem and thought the iron golem was making that sound at first.
@@joechristo2 superflat world?
Man the "L's" take me back. I remember finding them all the time back then. My laptop was crappy at the time so I had to run it on the lowest render distance too, it was just a totally different vibe back then.
I’m not totally sure, but I also recall seeing these “L” shaped terrain formations. Maybe not on my PC/laptop, but perhaps the PS4 version. The old one.
The lava under glass with water over it was a common "hot tub" design back in the day
"That is bulls***! I did not build that. I did NOT.
...oh hi, Steve."
Steve: hello red square
the reason for the pirate's map to not have the base while playing alpha is because it was converted to the never versions when loaded up there, alpha didn't understand the data so just regenerated the world from the seed. looks like player inventory remained though
That’s def what happened I bet
Could you explain? I thought the version where this happened in the video was unconverted alpha.
Yes perfectly explained.
looks like the different sapling types were translated into durability too
@@zusty9589 the world sent by zapa was updated to modern minecraft before being sent, so the world didnt work in alpha any more which is what greenthepear is explaining. The world that deadskin played and shared was all in alpha and not updated to newer minecraft tho
I don't think he lied about not exploring much of the world
Back in those days, exploring sucked. You didn't have a bunch of structures or biomes for you to find, so often times you would just stay near your house
Deadskin did alot in his world, very clearly, so most likely he just did what he wanted, built what he wanted. Given that 1 block in the nether = 8 blocks in the overworld (which he probably knew since he played the game for a while and knew about glitches like the infinitely burning tree) and traversing the nether sucks, it most likely felt way further than it actually was
As for the house, if I was recording a video, I wouldn't say 'I haven't explored this world, except for that one time I walked in a single direction where I built a house', and as a different comment mentioned, he might have died and lost his house
Exploring still @ucks on bedrock but at least if you find a structure it can entertain you for days
exactly I was so confused why they were so stuck on an offhand comment like that, and even the random explored cave like thats just how people play, they go random directions and do random things and in a world that clearly had heavy time investment its not unusual
but somehow he never ventured a liiittle bit up north to see these massive chunk errors? also, why did he happen to build mineshafts the exact same way that appears in the strange house?
@@xyouthe a lot of people built mineshafts with half-ladders and torches. It was a pretty standard way of building back in the old days.
@@jadecoolness101 yeah but the way theyre cleared out and with the placement of the torches? it could definitely be coincidence but its something i cant overlook. their building styles have a large similarity outside of the half-ladders tech.
Why does early Minecraft feel soo creepy? It feels like those liminal spaces.
I think it's due to the lighting, nothing is moving, also as we do not know what's behind the fog it constantly looks mysterious.
>Some UA-camrs investigate a weird glitch you posted about a decade later, showing off your old videos and trying to answer some of your questions 😄
>They absolutely roast your house
The darkened exposed caves are what make me think this is real. The fact that a torch was found there without the lighting being updated similar to how floating sand updates means that it couldn't have been placed by a player.
I was thinking the same. Inhad loads of chunk errors with dark caves in the early days but they would always correct if you interacted with a block or placed a torch. Can't see how you'd do that manually.
The dirt bridge is not good evidence for it being fake. Grass spreads pretty slowly, so if he or whoever owned it stopped playing on it before it finished spreading it’d appear in the new world like this.
Yes I agree, but in the world of the person who made the original video, who has very well established bases in the world of his own, the grass still wasn’t grown. Obviously by the time they get another one of the worlds from the pirated version they come to the conclusion that most of the dirt on the bridge was glitched
@@DavidsUternal Grass would only grow when the chunk was loaded. It makes sense that when the bridge was first found that it would be in the same state as it was when the pirate world was last played, no matter how long the new world was played for.
@@DavidsUternal
If the chunk containing a progessing block or item is not loaded in and in the players render distance, it will not progress.
@@OfficialxSimple ah didn’t know thanks
Never underestimate man's capacity for incompetence. I've gotten lost 10 steps into the forest and not been able to find where i put my base 😂
ngl Instagram in Polish spooked me the most
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when i saw the f styczen right in top of my screen i was like wth😨😨
typek jest z Polski?
@@kuroi63 pewnie tak
same i thought i'm tripping and it's a dream. this man does not sound polish :D
Well excuuuuuuse me Mr "I've never lost any minecraft boats!", if only we could all be as *perfect* as you. I bet you've made lots of TNT too, huh? Typical...
(in all seriousness, I feel I should state for the record that I don't think I have ever crafted TNT in a single survival world, and I am in a constant state of crafting new boats after misplacing them. YES people like me exist, YES we are stupid, NO further questions your honor)
this is the funniest comment in this comment section lmao
How common even is it to make TNT in solo survival?? I can't think of any way I'd use it.
@@arandomidiot1593 The only thing I can think of that you'd need a lot for is netherite hunting. Most other uses I can think of involve TNT duplicators which only need a handful to start with.
@@arandomidiot1593 Blowing up the nether for ancient debris, that's what I use it for
Read back your conversation with Zappa, he didn't send you an alpha world because he didn't have it, the world he had was already converted to 1.16 and then he converted it to 1.20. That's why the house doesn't show up when you try to load the world in alpha. If you try opening that world in 1.16 it should work.
No, that's the beta/mcregion save. I looked in the files & it's McRegion. The modern 1.20.4 world is separate.
Zappa seemingly doesn't have the original Alpha world, just the beta 1.3 (or later beta ver) McRegion conversion of it. Hence why the seed regens. When you open the "Alpha" folder he gave, it's in the McRegion folder setup.
@@Ghosty6464Well I didn't look at any files I just noticed that the conversation with Zappa shown in the video seemed to indicate that the files that Zappa sent him were for versions 1.16 and 1.20. Anyway the issue still was that he was trying to open the world in an older version of Minecraft that was incompatible with the world files.
I wasn't aware that the world was available for download, I might download it and take a look at it later.
@@QuotePilgrim I just played it in Alpha after messing with converting it from Mcregion to alpha.
@@Ghosty6464 The fact that you had to convert the files at all proves the file format was incompatible with the alpha version of the game.
This is probably also why the saplings had durability, because beta 1.5 added birch and spruce saplings. They still had the same item ID, so alpha minecraft probably interpreted them as saplings with a certain amount of durability.
It’s so cool seeing people’s old Minecraft worlds. It’s like a ghost town or like an ancient structure that you have analyze to figure out what happened there lmao
The amount of coincidences that happened in order to reach the conclusion of this video is genuinely baffling me
Out of all the mysteries on the internet that end dying after smacking hard against a brick wall because of now forever lost evidence, we were bound to find at least one where someone had kept answers, even if that was akin to decades because of one reason or another.
@@thunderdrum325 Yeah as a newbie to Minecraft I just learned about the whole "Herobrine" creepypasta era and the one early video regarding Herobrine that got lost to time. Someone years later was like "wait I downloaded that video years ago - I had no idea this was lost media, here you go". I feel like there must be a lot of those cases. Lost media on people's old hard drives, private UA-cam posts, or with even older stuff, VHS and cassette rips.
@@Jupiter-T 2024 is going crazy, literally every few months something is found out of nowhere.
Zappa is a cute person. Literally keeps a 14 year old Minecraft save and is just like, here man no worries i'll give you coordinates too
I expect a ukulele apology from xdarkghost
this is a tale of two anthropologists studying the eldritch phenomena of worlds merging into eachother, is such a cool concept for something idk
Ok, only at the 10 minute mark, but for theory #2, Minecraft stores multiple chunks in one "Region" file. Having a giant cliff wall and a massive square of chunks is the _most_ common way. Seeing single torches or just a house would lead to it have being planted / edited to be there, instead of a file being locked during deletion.
i am definitely of the mind that this is due to said chunks saving on his current file, but somehow got bugged from a multiplayer sever, thus bringing the entire terrain gen with it
Since it was from a pirated version, I think world files were set to read only after extraction. Deleting the world file in-game maybe couldn't touch those files, hence the match up on the map coordinates wise.
The Region file format was introduced in Beta. Minecraft Alpha didn't use Region files yet. Chunks were stored in separate files.
see this is what i was thinking but how would there be a (clearly placed dirt bridge with torches on it) hanging OVER the original lower chunks, it would have gotten cut off right?
Regions weren't used until Beta
LOVE THIS.
I especially love around the 1:30:00 mark. Just the slow realization that this is the EXACT SAME WORLD, Down to the items in the chests, gave me chills. Really gave MyHouse.WAD vibes.
Like. It's the house again. OF COURSE it's the house again..
"I’M BACK IN THE BUILDING AGAIN!!"
-trone, probably
I love MyHouse.WAD. I never even played Doom. But this kind of stuff is just so delicious to me.
Zappa is a hero. Somehow he connected the dots 14 years ago and come up with the ultimate answer.
No idea how he understood that the pirated version is the culprit.
he had the same pirated version
@@childofgod759 How did he know that his pirated version is the same? I didn't notice deadskin shared anywhere what torrent he's got his posted version from
This is the best Minecraft video I've seen in years. Mystery, nostalgia, raw, slow paced content, no excessive editing... The whole video just reminded me of how we approached the game back in the days: creating and sharing stories, being scared or captivated by meaningless things, being baffled by that good old alpha/beta terrain generation, just taking our time...
That moment when you were oddly fascinated by a single torch under a rock, or when you went upstairs in that weird empty house excepting nothing but still kinda exctited, I knew that was that kind of precious content I would'nt be seeing again anytime soon.
Also love all the comments that add so much to the video.
something about the house in the modern version being covered in snow really adds to the atmosphere, almost as if the house has been literally frozen in time.
The red square is definitely some rendering glitch in game. Red is the highest colour and I'd say it's some OpenGL error.
It is I remember seeing the exact red square glitch and something about opengl in the chat around the same time it appeared (i was still using optifine at the time hence the chat thing)
clouds also moving at that level, so it could have been that
It's just the sunset. When you open a chest, the rendering distance shrinks.
A hunch I have about the weird single torch placements is that they were just placing them as they walked along and saw the lighting glitches you spoke about earlier in the video. I played the game a lot back in alpha and this is something I'd do regularly. If you saw a big overhang that was just black, you couldn't see inside of it and it was just, overall, an eyesore to look at. So we'd place a single torch there which would fix the entire lighting error so you could see into the overhang and make it look less ugly in the process.
I wouldn't necessarily say that the grass on the bridge spreading pointing towards the video being fake. Assuming the glitch is real, the error could have simply caught the bridge at the moment of growth that we see and, since grass spreads very slowly, it would simply not have had time to spread much in the time Dead found it and recorded it
I can’t believe it. In one video you’ve confirmed that the deleted-world-leftovers glitch is real, that it is exactly what happened to deadskinmask, AND found out why he didn’t recognize the house (which is always something I wondered, if the deleted-world glitch was true). Awesome work :)
The glitch has been known to be real since it started happening lol
My niga
No info on wikis, its BS
two of those "anomalies" (tree leaves not decaying, logs permanently on fire) actually both have very easy explanations ! the first is due to a bug in late alpha where notch, when getting rid of old leaf decay code that no longer fit the idea of the game he was going for, ended up deleting ALL of the leaf decay code, so that meant that no leaves could decay anymore. the only issue with this is that it's something that it's something thats 1.2.x specific, and if the world came from 1.1.x or before the leaves then wouldn't decay. the other thing, logs permanently on fire was, as far as i understand, basically a feature. it was a way to build fireplaces pre-netherrack, and was eventually removed once netherrack became a suitable replacement, altho i guess it wasn't quite removed at this specific version. i haven't a clue about the weird torch lighting though, apologies.
logs constantly on fire was another glitch, logs would occasionally burn away but this could sometimes take multiple attempts of lighting it on fire. a side effect of this was if a surface lava pool spawned in a forest it would set the whole forest ablaze, leaving behind what was effectively a burning log biome.
lighting back then was glitchy and wouldn't update correctly in the best of circumstances. weird torch lighting is par for the course in alpha.
Netherack fireplaces?
This video honestly sounds so similar to when I talk for 2 hours about my autistic interests to an uncanny degree
yeah I decided to have one of my autistic rants made into a video this time, I think it paid off lol
@@troneysauce considering how you got my ADHD ass to sit through all 2 hours I think the videos great
I relate to you guys so much, and you specifically. Because I did the same thing with my mom, a few days ago. Except that, the topics kept devolving into darker and darker topics, until it night time. We started the conversation late in the afternoon, and it ended at night.
I get that way with ADHD too honestly. I try to hold myself back from yapping because I know no one else is going to be quite as interested as I am, and I want to be polite, but some of my enthusiasm spills out anyway. Maybe the only difference is that with ADHD, I'm on to something else in a few weeks and don't care much anymore. I've wanted to make videos in this vein in the past, but I've never finished one. :-( So really, good on you @troneysauce for making this and editing it so well.
25:56 when the tism takes over
A few years ago Dead came back and made a few livestreams on youtube on minecraft. I became somewhat close with him around this period of time, as I ended up hosting an SMP server for him and his fans, (the VODs are still up if you wish to watch, in minecraft I go by T_mack).
I spoke to him one-on-one a few times, and he swore to me to this day that he absolutely promises he did not fake the videos and that they were in no way a hoax. He told me that he has more important things in his life to do than to perpetuate a 1.5 decades old rumor and he has no reason to lie about it, and its very believable to be honest.
I haven't fully watched your video on it yet, just thought I should pre-emptively leave a comment, but if you were unable to get in contact with him, I may be able to get you in contact with him.
Any update to this?
@@sociallyineptsnapper dead alrdy commented 5 days ago lol
@@lovelaxo fsr that hadn’t loaded for me at the time lol
1:14:46 The delivery of "How the fuck, cause literally how the fuck do you have this brother?" nearly floored me XD.
You've overlooked a big thing! The OG save that Zappa sent you is not from any Alpha version...
See, Minecraft has historically used three different save formats, the original "chunk" based one (chunks in individual files, sorted in nested folders named as base36 of the chunk coords), than a "region" based format (.mcr files in a single "region" folder, each containing 32x32 region) and the modern Anvil format (.mca files in a single "region" folder).
Here, you thought the OG save is from Alpha, but that can not be the case, as the "region" format is used in the save. It has probably been converted to Beta version in the past. It is NOT possible to open "region" saves in Alpha. That explains, why there was just the terrain and no base in game. The level.dat was still there with the seed, but the chunk data was missing, so it was newly generated on your computer in the "chunk" format.
*If you want to explore the original file from the video description, use at least version Beta 1.3!*
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-And honestly, there is one more interesting thing... This requires further evidence, but... Look at the OG map. There are no chunk errors or borders. Weird, isn't it? And there doesn't seem to be "much" from Zappa...-
-I think you solved it all! You have the ORIGINAL map that glitched into Deadsk's world. You have the original author of the Very Strange House! The only concerning thing is the size of the generated area. Did he not explore at all? Even for Alpha, it's weird that the map is quite small and super regular. But it's possible.-
*-Either way, the seed IS CORRECT, as there was the area when opened with invalid region files, so this has to be the ORIGINAL MAP!-*
_EDIT: This is not correct, I somehow didn't realize, that the glitch was just in Deadsk's world. Zappa joined the world normally. Thanks @carcrashjayson!_
Thats what I was wondering about, maybe Zappa cut the other chunks out before sending them the file
Your right. I opened the alpha save in 1.6 beta version and the house, waterfall etc is present.
Zappa was saying the world was there when he downloaded the pirated version of the game. The idea is that it was also there when Deadskin downloaded it, he deleted it, it somehow glitched and some files remained and merged with the new world he created. Or maybe the glitched deletion had already happened with the version he got.
Zappa's world has no chunk errors because there was no deletion or bugs involved.
@@Flashbatninja That came to my mind as well, but why would he do that? He would have to be hiding something... But he certainly looks like a skilled technical player that would definitely be able to do so.
I know all of the Minecraft's technical backend stuff extremely well, but not really before Release 1.4, so I'm not sure how world generation worked back then. But this could be quite simply investigated by looking at the areas he could have been in for no new chunks to generate (+spawn chunks) and a diff of the save with a newly generated world with the same seed...
Either way, I feel like the seed evidence is undeniable, so this has to be his base, not a glitched base into his would where he would cut out just the glitched base... But it would be cool to know the full story, I'd see what Zappa has to say about it.
@@carcrashjayson Omg, that's true. I somehow completely didn't realize that Zappa could actually join the world, and play in it legitimately. For some unknown reason I subconsciously thought that the distributed world had missing level.dat or something so it wasn't possible to join it normally.
That explains a lot, including the matching seed. Still not sure where his 2nd base that he linked is, as he wrote on the forum, tho. Probably just the little cave they spawned in?
Well, he's not probably the person we're looking for. I'm crossing it out in the original comment... Thanks!
As for the Herobrine holes and L-shaped holes, those were staples of Alpha world generation. They were simply everywhere.
As a game developer who is also somewhat familiar with Minecraft's inner workings, i'd like to first clear up that this version of minecraft is from way before i ever heard of the game, so it is NOT the era i am familiar with. But you keep bringing up that, regarding the chunk errors, "i can see it happening with a little area like this but this big seems like a stretch" e.g. at 34:00 ish you seem skeptical that it can span this far, and also earlier in the video when explaining the theories. However, i think rather the opposite is true: Modern minecraft saves work with "region files", which are 32x32 chunks in size. If a world was not fullt deleted when removing it from the save slots, it seems most reasonable to me that some error in resource management caused the individual region files to not all be deleted. If it happens to one file, it seems reasonable that many files could be spared from deletion in such a way, leading to a very large area of chunks being spared all at once, and thus causing a chunk error that's very large. I haven't finished watching the video as i type this, but given my knowledge, i'd honestly be far more surprised for a "world merge" glitch to affect anything less than a thousand chunks at a time
Back in alpha chunks were stored in a single file not region files but they were still seperate like this. Minecraft will declare a world "empty" if level.dat is missing or otherwise corrupted.
As for how this happed i have no idea. But i can guess ..
This version of minecraft came from a torrent yeah? Maybe they downloaded the torrent directly to appdata .. and left their torrent client open thus seeding certain chunk files. Were locked by windows when tried to be deleted. Or maybe they opened it again later and it re downloaded certain chunk files / missing chunk files into their level1 save.
@@LiEnby That would have to make it so any seeder who had to set to save folder would alter each others worlds.
1:01:08 5:56 AM in the morning and these guys explore a 14 year old minecraft world going after every little source of light they see. Sounds like a normal weekend for me lmao
For years, this mystery has always bothered me. It seemed so bizarre and unbelievable, but it felt genuine. I'm just shocked you found the answer after so long. Thank you.
I love that a decent chunk of old Minecraft internet horror/mystery was just from the game being kind of shit and glitchy.
who just casually uploads a 2 hour video about a minecraft world from like 13 years ago as their first video and manage to have it be such an amazing watch
there is something so goddamn eerie about rummaging through someone else’s world in a stage of the game where chunks consistently load wrong enough to bring other people’s buildings into your world and its also almost completely silent save for the loud grass squelching beneath your feet
like those sections of the video had me completely transfixed
A Minecraft mod that interconnects singleplayer worlds with random strangers sounds incredible
The world merging glitch happened to me back in the day, I remember after it happened the first time being super creeped out every time I found chunks of weird broken cliffs and builds from my old worlds. Later on, I was purposefully making it happen to try for cool worlds. I never saw anyone online talking about it, though, so I always assumed it was either my Minecraft version being weird or something happening with the awful laptop I used at the time.
"water was defying the laws of physics" ah, yes, because Minecraft is known for its physics-based gameplay
Im a certified scientist I know what im saying
the among us in the cave at 15:54 was glorious ☠
guessing thats part of this guys editing and wasnt some insane prophecy from the original vid, lol
red square was just a portion of amogus this whole time
@@zestiestzestwait, actually...?
@@KanYT the red square is actually a glitch involving the sunset
That was funny like 2 years ago
I once joined my friend's pocket edition world way back in like 2014. He and his brother used an item duping glitch to build a giant house out of diamond blocks.
A few days later, I got on one of my own worlds and I found, glitched into a hill, was the giant diamond tower. The trap doors used on the lamps were rotated and in the closed position and all the chests were empty.
This was on an android tablet I got from my parents almost a decade ago that's now long gone so I obviously can't prove this, but I swear it happened.
I also have an early pocket edition chunk error experience, though it's nothing as crazy as yours. One time I was creating a world, and I think my tablet died right as the world creation was finishing, or I closed the game for some reason. When I reopened the game and loaded the world, half the chunks were corrupted in a weird checkerboard pattern. Half were in the right place, but it's like the rest of the chunks were just swapped at random in between each other. I tried recreating the same seed and also creating new worlds and intentionally closing the game right at the end, but couldn't get the same effect. Either I would miss the mark and the world would be generated normally, or I would do it too soon and the world would regenerate when I opened it.
I might actually still have that world. The tablet has been sitting in a drawer with a broken screen for over a decade. It's not usable but it still turns on. I think I could get the world using an HDMI cable to connect it to a monitor and a mouse.
do it we need the LORE@@cool_bug_facts
@@cool_bug_factsIf you do end up trying to find it, I would love an update!
Makes sense, the trapdoors orientation and open status would reset, as well as chest item data.
Was this glitch the one where if you attempted to drop on an empty item slot next to the item you wanted to dupe, it would drop a clone of that stack?
Creepers in old versions used to strafe around you, and you couldn't run from them so it was a lot harder to avoid
I don't think what he said about the mountain was sus, I think he just meant he couldn't find a way that's quicker than stacking up. No sprinting after all.
Base and spawn would be pretty far too. (I was wrong on this point but think about how short the nether trip was in comparison plus render distance, they likely felt like they walked further then it should've been) 8x times the time it took travel through the nether so it makes sense he would turn back short.
Grass would take forever to grow all the way down that bridge, in fact if he just built it should have LESS grass.
Yeah I think a lot of the dialog in this video is misinterpreting and taking too literally a lot of what was said in the original video. The original video was made by someone speaking pretty casually and who was probably very new to the game.
I'm glad this video figured out the correct conclusion in the end, but it was a bit frustrating before that point seeing incorrect leaps of logic from being so sure the original guy was lying about something.
@@macil_techI think the plot development of this video is purposefully done that way.
There’s a moment where OP says “yeah I used to get creeped out but as a game dev now, it can all be explained”. And then later when the map is showing the house but the version of the world has no home, OP says “this must literally be breaking physics”. As if it’s a call back, almost telling the viewer “this should raise the hairs on your neck”.
@marfology I don't like the parts where he calls the guy a liar in narration, even though after making the video, he should know he wasn't. This video would be very confusing for someone who is half listening (AKA most people watching a 2 hour video). A lot of claims made in the video are, at worst, made in bad faith, or at best poorly thought out and confusing.
@@tingular2902 Yeah my big critique of this video is that the long discovery phase should be shorter and less cynical. As they was saying things that supposedly "made it obviously fake" I was seeing that it was more and more real.
Why would you go so far north for a cave in alpha Minecraft for example? When they showed again and again the guy was already stacked?
There came a point where they were reverse convincing themselves over the silliest things.
The important discovery here is the original world: with no download (at the time, thanks for the upload!) for some reason. The video should've been front loaded with that because it's the most important part.
I'm going to piggy back off my own comment to help spread this info because it could result in useful stuff to ask during the interview: The pirated world was at least played on until Beta 1.5. The damaged saplings were from a short period where sapling type was defined by damage. So playing on almost any other version results damaged stacks of saplings. You can even find a chest with two stacks of oak saplings that, in b1.5 can't stack: this HAS to be the version it was last played in.
This makes the timeline interesting. Somehow, someone broke saplings in B1.5, put them in the chest with diamonds. This is the world Zappa sent us. The world in dead's video, HAS NO SAPLINGS IN THE DIAMOND CHEST. This implies an untouched Alpha version of the world that's still lost, that only dead has chunks directly from. It shouldn't be from the pirated version, as Zappa was posting before b1.5 when he would've downloaded it. So the only thing that makes sense is that for some reason, months later, Zappa put saplings in the diamond chest, during this short bug, and didn't take the diamonds. Very strange!
The way the world has creeper holes and you guys questioned how Dead lost boats and the TNT detail is actually very relatable to me. I'm not great at playing Minecraft normally and all I do is build terrible houses and just randomly roam around. This video is great. Thanks for the laughs!
Imagine being that player that built the house in theory 3 and seeing the video by dead skin exploring it and being like: IS THAT MY HOUSE