Solving The Mystery Of The Easy 8 - Feat. Nomad Prod.
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2024
- I've been solving tank mysteries for almost as long as I can remember, but there's always been one mystery that truly haunted me. The case I could never crack... The one that always got away.
Now, with almost 200 subscribers under my belt, I'm taking another look at the case. I've done the research, gathered the evidence, and built my argument. It's time to figure out once and for all. What the hell is an Easy 8 Sherman?
Thank you Nomad Prod. for helping out with this video, you were seriously an instrumental part of this project!
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- • What is an Easy Eight?
- • Chieftain's Q&A #5
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Intro: 0:00
Chapter 1 "Origins of a Misconception": 3:26
Chapter 2 "In Search of a Better Answer": 8:22
Interview with Nomad Prod.: 15:17
Chapter 3 "History Is Written By The Eccentric": 25:47
End Credits: 31:43 - Розваги
I wonder who that Nomad is, he seems to be a very intelligent, well mannered and straight up drop dead gorgeous individual 🤔
In all seriousness tho, was a blast doing some bits of reasearch with you and helping doing the video, however small my contribution was! Learned a lot! If you ever need help with anything, hmu at any time!
You're on the pathway to become one of the greats! And im glad I helped you with it!
~Nomad
...did you know the "I was fishing with my girlfriend" part was going to make final cut?🤣
I have an Idea for the Origin.
But it might not be all too verifiable anymore sadly. What if it was just everyones Grandpa? The common serviceman its natural for soldiers to use slang.
Just an idea
Broke: Nazi UFO myths and chasing Hitler
Woke: mystery suspension
We out here solving the real mysteries
Honestly I always figured easy 8 was from the E8 part of the M4A3E8s name
Same it just made the most sense
We have used Letters as location and group markers for a long time, I think before the great war but with certainty in WW1.
The common soldier would then by the game of Telephone develop names for the letters. A for Apple or Alpha and B for Butter or Beta, C for Cat or D for Dog. E for Easy.
Maybe
I believed the engine one until I looked at the name a bit closer and figured that it’s called the easy 8 for that reason
That’s what I always though
Same
I really don't want to say anything too drastic here in the comments, since I fully plan to acknowledge all this very soon in a video. But holy moly have I kind of exploded. Thank you to everyone who is watching, subbing, and sharing. I hope you all have learned a little something with this video.
If you aren't subbed, consider it. If you liked this video, you're gonna love this channel.
Also for those curious, Nomad did actually send my question over to the Chieftain, and he actually responded! He pretty much just confirmed our findings.
Not to be confused with the EZ8 gundam
Fellow connoisseur
I don't know when I subscribed to you, but I'm glad I did.
it’s weird how little the internet talks about hvss
I know right!?
@@eta320
VVSS: pages and pages about its history and usage
HVSS: “It smooth”
@@Appletank8 even the chieftain himself posted an image of very early HVSS on an M3 Lee, but admitted “I annoyingly can’t date it.”
How has the history of HVSS just disappeared like this? I think I’ll have to revisit this topic some day…
Honestly I always assumed it came from the designation, but figured it was more of "E8s in the long designation so the troops just gave it the nickname because it rhymed and sounded cool". Either way Im still calling that variant Easy 8. Its a cool name and it fits the tank.
"Easy" was also the US Phonetic for the letter E before we used "Echo"
What does Easy 8 ryhme with?
@@SCHMALLZZZ I think he meant alliterated not rhymed.
Honeslty man you took it to another level with this video, the quality and the reasearch are the best thing you've done.
I hope the video gets the views it deserves
The name “Easy Eight” is a well known nickname usually used for the M4A3E8, but its real meaning is not actually specific to that tank.
The name comes from the code given to the horizontal volute spring suspension system (HVSS) during testing,
“E8” (“E” standing for “Experimental”). Tanks fitted with this suspension during testing had “E8” added to their designation.
for example; “M4A2E8”, or “M4A3E8”.
In service, the tanks simply received the suffix “HVSS” to signify that they were fitted with HVSS suspension.
for example, an M4A3 with a 76 mm gun and HVSS suspension would be designated “M4A3(76) HVSS”.
As the M4, M4A1 and M4A2 also received this suspension, the name “Easy Eight” should, in theory, apply to them too.
But today the name has stuck, and is mostly reserved for informally referring to the M4A3(76) W HVSS.
I don't even like Shermans but damn did this catch my attention.
Great timing, I only found you the other day through the Sherman guide. Keep up the amazing work!
Saaaaame
Sherman connoisseur of the highest caliber? Oh he's an M50
Okay, so I've now watched both this and your bigger Sherman variants video.
I cannot believe how I learned more about the Sherman (and the M6, strangely) than I have in years of playing War Thunder and rediscovering my love of tanks through that game. I went on a huge journey, studying variants of the tank and what made which classified as which, but you've simplified it in such a perfect way.
The "Easy Eight" thing is just fascinating. I knew that E6 was the 76mm gun program, but I didn't know E8 was the HVSS program. I definitely knew the phonetic alphabet of the era, but for some stupid reason, I never linked that to the Easy Eight nickname. I was under the impression of one of those myths, that the M4A3E8 was the M4A3 76 W HVSS, and nothing else. I never dug into it like this, but I'm very glad to have a better idea of what's what.
Thank you for your dedication to this stuff, and your brilliant presentation. So glad I stumbled upon this channel with your Battlefield 5 video.
I dunno why you're relying on War Thunder for info, it's more reliable than WoT sure but I'm sure you're sure about the whole T58 and T28 thing. Where the T28 that they have in game doesn't exist and that it's the T58 which should actually bear the name T28. This is probably just me who doesn't trust games but well my point still stands.
@@digit-zero I don't "rely on" games or get my information from games. I credit games for igniting (or reigniting, in this case) my passion for studying these subjects.
For instance, I decided to main Italy in War Thunder, a decision I now thoroughly regret but refuse to give up on. On the bright side, it made me go study Italy's vehicles, aircraft, and military history more than I ever would have before. Every time I unlock a new vehicle, I go research it. Everything from its service history to how markings were placed on it.
@@ODST_Parker Understandable, have a good day
Great video
A manual 1-Series? You're a man of class, dude.
Incredibly well done!
You're really crazy tank nerd boy! Keep up the good work
That’s me! Crazy tank nerd boy
@@eta320 fellow tank fan
im glad you cleared this up for me, i was under the impression that it was an american tank retrofitted with a captured 88mm gun.
i got that info from a teacher in my highschool who taught both history and german.
That's a new one! Yeah not sure where they got that idea, even if E8 had anything to do with the gun, it definitely wasn't an 88mm.
@@eta320 yeah I don't even know how they could have done that after seeing how they had to mount the 76mm guns
The most beautiful tank of the war:
A nice, curvy M4A1 Sherman with a 76mm gun and an Easy 8 suspension.
Simple History in the intro triggered my fight or flight response.
i have watched 2 videos of this channel and im very surprised by the quality of the videos from such a small channel . keep it up
Why tf is your content so damn good holy shit
Nice editing, mate!
Just discovered your channel and promptly subscribed. Can’t believe you have so few subscribers considering the quality of your productions. I felt an immediate connection to your easy and comfortable delivery, and the specific focus of your content.
Keep doing what you’re doing and I can see this channel easily having hundreds or thousands of subscribers. Whether through the gaming community, war history aficionados or just tank nerds (I tick all those boxes) there are millions of people out there who will love this type of content!
Turns out saying M4A3E8 is a whole lot faster than saying M4A3 (76)W HVSS both on paper and in words, so people would naturally say the less complex name.
Good video fellas.. really enjoyed it
Very great research and dedication. Although I focus more on german infantry and reenactment, I can appreciate finally knowing proper designation for the tanks and ridding of misconceptions.
Should you ever need any information regarding german infantry in any sort (especially with gëbirgsjager) or any german translating please make me aware.
I appreciate your use of credits at the end and smooth Jazz throughout the video very nice. Also the ending with the candle is a cool way to end it. Nice filming 👌
occam's razor
Wait, so you’re telling me I was right all along and just didn’t know why
A few months back Chieftain dropped a quickshot about a Sherman with HVSS, but not an Easy-8 type. It was some type of earlier HVSS suspension with single rolers, that looks like the one on M6 as well.
ua-cam.com/video/q4F17YPUBZ8/v-deo.html
I just found your channel and I gotta say this video was incredible. Keep up the good work.
love your videos keep up the good work man!
The production value of ur videos are fantastic for such a small channel. keep it up lad!
Long time WWII tank buff. Great vids. Lots of stuff I already knew and some stuff I just thought I knew. Thanks.
I always thought the nickname easy eight was just for the M4A3E8 sherman
Damn, You sure are a tank nerd. Keep it up ;D
Brilliant video with amazing quality of research and production value
In tank chat #44, at the 2 minute mark, David Fletcher casually mentions that the M6/T1 uses HVSS
0:58 i love how you snuck in the cursed US army Tiger toy with very incorrect running gear
You need way more subscribers man. Amazing quality for such a small UA-camd.
My mans got the cobi set
Nice I spotted a Cobi, some music from LA Noir, and some editing like Atun-Shei Films. Great video.
Nice to see Panzerserra as a source in your Video. I really recommend his Website. He does good research on his projects.
Hitting the Nomad with the good ol' all caps XD, ya love to see it
You have a knack and certain style that really resonates with your viewers.
And, you can drive a manual transmission?
Good work and thank you for you’re work fellow Tankian, dismissed
Even if someone was there, that doesn’t mean they can’t be biased or wrong in their conclusions and observations. If someone sees only part of an event because something is happening just around the corner, they might not have the full story. If someone works at a US Army supply and maintenance depot in WWII, and much of what they see all day is damaged and destroyed Shermans being hauled back, of course they have a negatively biased view of the tank. If someone watching the Arizona go up at Pearl Harbor sees a big plume of smoke shoot up the stack, they might assume a bomb has gone down the stack even though that isn’t actually the case.
Good video 👍
Another video showed the Sherman varient picture as a tree not a ladder.
I've actually been to the College Park archives. I've spent 8 days there researching my grandfather's missions with the 15th AF.
Very professional
Ew he uses WOT in light mode! Bad jokes aside, keep up with the good work dude!
After seeing this I was both right and wrong about that Sherman model ramble I went on. Looking at the running gear of the model I have, it has single wheel / outside guide, not double wheel / center guide running gear, so not HVSS, and it is a British Sherman V so not THE Easy-8.
My theory is as follows:
The Easy 8 designation and nickname came from the pre NATO US phonetic alphabet using the word "Easy" for E.
That being said, the nickname of "easy" due to having a smooth ride can also be true, with troops in the field hearing it called the Easy 8 and assuming that as the reason, or because it's fun to say, etc. That then leads to Easy 8 continuing to be used by troops in the field, with the slang reaching it's way all the way up to the top brass and even into other nation's lingo.
Many sense to anyone?
There is even a gundam model called "Ez8"
So basically because of the nickname despite us already dropping the E in production tank they decided to just calles it that ?
note this is me seeing if my understanding i correct before watching but the M4A3E6 was the name given to the 76mm gun Sherman and it had no mussel break. the track designed was from the M4A3E4 the turret was what made the M4A3E8 different and it had the option to fit either the 75mm that all Sherman had the 76mm M1A1 gun from the M4A3E6 (no muzzle break) ore the 76mm M1A2 76mm high velocity gun that was tried but didn't fit probably in the M4A3E7 tank.
it seams i was close but not quite it seam that the chieftain mention that the E8 programme that developed twin road wheel with canter guide HVSS suspicion. so by that logic it seams that there is a slight difference with the standard single road wheel HVSS suspicion that could in theory be the ones that where called E8.
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Holy shit i thought i was missing something. All my life i thought Easy 8 came from the E8 in the designation, then you started listing all the other theories lol
Easy 8. Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog, Easy.
I like to refer to the HVSS Sherman as the Sexy Sherman!😊
E8 basically referred to the HVSS style M4s then lol
either way what sounds cooler? WE NEED AN HVSS M4 whatever SHERMAN!!!
or
SEND IN THE EASY EIGHTS!!!
1940 us army was about 250k in number, by 1943 they had almost 7 million... names and terms can come from anywhere with that many people together...
Shmermanman
I always thought the E8 designation came from multiple upgrades all put together, most notable upgrades being the up armor and up gunned version and the 8 was just a sequential number.
if the boots on the ground called it the easy 8, its an easy 8 🤷♀️
The 76 kilometer gun?
i was recent my at the museum of american armour in ny and there was a sherman there designate as m4a3e8 and i’m wondering if that is a real easy 8 or if it’s just because it had hvss because i did see that it did
1:24 milomider.
Am I a bad tank fan if I have never herd any of these theories?
20:38, that's a CCL X1A1 Carcará? The stuart with a 90mm? Just for curiosity why that tank was among the discussion there?
It was a very long talk, and we got side-tracked into just talking about tanks we liked the look of
23:45
NOOOOOOOOOOO TYPOOO
ahh its 2 years too late
Wait, if the E8 prototypes were accepted into service and the E8 name was gotten rid of officially, why was the Jumbo Sherman provisionally accepted but maintained with the M4A3E2 designation?
Because the US Army Ordnance decided to ''fuq it all'' and kill themselves, just like what they've been doing ever since 'till now
Something not very common, my hometown has a M4A1 with 76 and hvss on display.
so... i was correct about "easy eight" being experimental and not an official name? like in army name, not nickname.
cuz i just weirded out when playing wotb and see E8 have different modifications, and then see war thunder and like... "wait, thats just another E8'.
and from that i conclude, that E8 is experimental tank and never given official name, thus concluding that "easy eight" is just a nick name of experimental success, not official army name
It wasn't an official name for the final production tanks with HVSS, no. However, it became such a common nickname among generals, the ordinance branch, and the military as a whole; that even though it was never an "Easy 8" on paper in the US, it might as well have been. In fact I've stumbled on an Israel document that labels an HVSS tank as a Sherman Easy 8. So there is an instance where it was acknowledged as an Easy 8 on official military documents.
@@eta320 ah i see, thanks for making this. i learn a lot about this particular sherman
what? the image of The Chieftan with a bunch of Leman Russes and Chimeras, what video is that from?
I know that BMW. Lol. ❤ya Aunt k
Me, a dumbf*ck, thinking the M4A3E8 is called an Easy 8 because of the E8 on it's name.
Edit: So I was kind of right but designation was dropped but in good old military fashion it actually wasn't.
Why would HVSS in the M6 have anything to do with the Sherman E8 program though? Same suspension type but the E8 program didn't have anything to do with the M6, it was a Sherman--specific program. I'm glad to finally know exactly what the E8 refers to, but the pursuit of the nickname is kind of redundant tbh. Why is the F16 "Fighting Falcon" referred to as the "Viper" by airmen when that's not its name? Language is dynamic and often arbitrary, even if the tanks don't have E8 in their official designation it clearly stuck around when the right people popularised it.
My train of thought at the time was to go as far back as I could in the history of HVSS suspension, so I could see exactly when the E8 program started, or if somehow the nickname came from somewhere else. So learning that HVSS existed on the M6, being 2 years prior, I wondered what I could be missing out on.
I do agree the whole pursuit was quite useless though.
Did Nomad Prod know he was going to be in a video when he said "I was fishing with my girlfriend"?
#3 Is Not a Myth
It’s The Truth
Anything Past This Is Impractical and Meaningless
The Name just Sound’s Cool and It’s The New Standard Combat Sherman, M4A3E8, Leading out of WW2, into Korea and then some
Done, go Home
Hah! This is hilarious, i can only imagine armchair fanboys cringing by the hundreds upon learning everything they thought they knew was false.
Excellent production, sir!
HA! I finally found something wrong with you videos!
The M4A3 (76) W HVSS is NOT the only HVSS sherman in war thunder
The M4A3 (105) also has the HVSS
Thx for the videos btw, you are a very good presenter
“Since the only Sherman’s in the game to feature HVSS suspension are M4A3’s.” I’m referring to the fact that all HVSS Sherman’s in War Thunder are built on M4A3 chassis. 😊
Keep looking though, there is plenty wrong with my videos
@@eta320 😞
@@eta320 YOU ARE WRONG!!!
The supersherman in israel tech tree (based on the M4A1 with a different engine) has HVSS!
28:48 then you are wrong
There's only one 'E8' but any Sherman with HVSS can be nicknamed 'easy 8'
What a brain size you got!
So, only one tank is M4 Easy 8 (Which was the prototype M4)? But. . .also technically any tank with HVSS is also an Easy 8?!
So "an Easy Eight" was an M4a3 that has a welded hull (unlike M4a1) and a one peice transmission/lower plate (also unlike M4a1) with a Ford GAA V8 (standard engine for M4a3 variant) with the only difference is that it has an experimental HVSS suspension. The E stands for an experimental vehicle, an example would be the YEH-60B, the Y stands for Electronic warfare or weapons systems, the E stands for Experemental/Easy, H stands for Helicopter with the 60 representing model number and the B for variant/type.
i dont call it a easy 8 i call it m4 76 because its more specific
But M4 76 has nothing to do with the suspension
Discord server where
All in good time my friends...
This is why German tanks are better, you have "[type of vehicle (like pzkpfw)] [number] [letter]" possibly what canon it has, unlike the Americans, with 10 different Shermans that all look the same (because pzkpfw 4 e & f have massive differences xD
I hope you're joking
@@chris2ndaccount69 I'm not sure what part you're refering to, Yes, I know all shermans are NOT the same, and that pz IV e & f don't have massive differences.
@@eriklagergren7124 oh wow I was expecting someone in UA-cam comments section to replay to my comments in 3 days and not some minutes
@@chris2ndaccount69 well, guess I proved you wrong xD