Shane Douglas on Shawn Michaels' Syracuse Beating
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Shane Douglas on Shawn Michaels' Syracuse Beating
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It’s not very often I’ll listen to a 15 minute shoot, but Shane makes every story so interesting and compelling. Glad he and James have hooked up again.
He's lying
@@alexanderson618 you are lying!
@@dhorus28 shut up punk
Same I listened to every word
@@dhorus28 What are you 10 . What's with this Kiddie Trash Talking Shit
Any beating on Shawn Micheals ...is a " well deserved BeaTing!! lmfao!!"
I saw the thumbnail and was reminded of that time Mr. Perfect said, "Hey, hasn't everybody beaten up Shawn Michaels?" and laughed the perfect laugh. 🤣🤣🤣
The guy's name who did it was Douglas Griffith, 23 years old at the time, he was stationed out of Ft. Drum, NY. He ended up getting charged with 2nd degree assault. I have always wondered if he one day will give his side of the events that are not blown out of proportion. It was in the news at the time when it happened.
I’d like to hear his side too.
He didn't get charged Shawn dropped the charges. Get the story straight
@@eirelav2703 Shaun actually pressed charges. The DA dropped the charges
He didn’t get charged Shawn dropped the charges
@@dantecarroll2435the only person that can drop charges is the DA.
Cornette said best, "Shawn Michaels is 0 for life in any kind of real fight."
Corny also said Shawn Michaels couldn’t fight his way out of a wet paper bag! Lol
@@gunnarjordan6980 he didn't say that, michaels in his prime was jacked compared to normal folks, and was a trained durable wrestler.
he could kick most of the worlds ass at his peak in a real fight and it took 10 marines to beat him in this bar, not one.
@@christasmith6004 Imagine actually believing that Shawn Michaels could hang with a marine - especially when he was a pill addict. 😂
@@rangergeorge6808 Imagine thinking that simply “being a marine” automatically makes you an ass kicking machine bad ass 😂
@@BWAPreme Do you know many Marines?
Bret Hart corroborated Shane's account on this incident. He also said X-Pac "threw some weak karate kicks, and the guys just tipped him over like a scarecrow."
Lmao.
Does it say in his book?
@@Mattnova_116 Yes.
This true I read this. Also Bret always seemed to always be around when shit went down. Lol
@@russellcampbell3500 Bret wasn't there, Davey Boy Smith told him.
I could listen to Shane talk all day. Always been a fan of his work, his work ethic and mind for wrestling. They don't make them like him anymore
😂 I was working at that club at the time, and watched Shawn get washed. They always try to play it up like it was a group of Marines, it was one guy, he was Army, 10th Mountain Division Ranger out of Watertown, NY.
Sounds like it was u who whooped Shawn's ass. 😅😅
Bullshit
I’m tired of hearing different accounts of what happened. I also heard it was one dude and another mediator. Shawn got his ass kicked. Both were drunk, Shawn just can’t fight, end of story
If it was you, I’d like to shake your hand Sir.
Club 37, correct?
I have always been a fan of Shane Douglas. I've never got to meet him personally but he seems super professional and like a genuine guy. He's done a lot for the business, I just wish he had got the opportunity to do more. Truly a talented man.
eeh, he kept winging about some drama from WCW< and WWF and FWA? or NewJapan when was in ECW for to long. and makes to much of some time that Nailz beet the tar out of vincmcman and tried to throw him out the window like a paper plane. oh and lives in the past like a lot of the WWF does. I guess getting the shit pounded out of you does funny things to your brain. He really needs a MRI and therapy for that.
Shane Douglas was one of the bright spots of the dying days of wcw
I met him a few times. Super nice, love Shane.
Thank u for having Shane back on I can listen to him talk all day! He’s one of my favorites of all time! Loved his work in ECW.
Same
It wasn't Marines. It was Soldiers out of FT Drum, NY. News about the fight spread fast throughout the base after it happened.
"No. I would have helped the Marines" - Shane Douglas
Rightfully so
@@Riese79 Shows the kind of person Douglas is.
@@American-Zero Shawn started the altercation with the Marines by picking a fight with one of them when he was drunk saying stuff about trying to sleep with the Marines wife in front the other Marines. How is Shane not agreeing to help Shawn and probably stick up for the Marine even when the Marine passively told Shawn not to say stuff to his wife while Shawn was physically getting at the Marine make Shane a bad person when Shawn started the whole thing?
@@JorgeMunoz-gn5do Because if your fellow wrestler is being attacked..right or wrong you stick by them. If your co worker was getting assaulted, would you help them or just join in? Yeah..HBK picked a fight with the servicemen..but if other wrestlers are there, it's their job to help one of their own out right or wrong. This just Douglas being bitter.
@@American-Zero If a guy was hitting on your wife coming out at you physically, wouldn't you want someone with clear conscious to stop a clearly altered state person which was a drunk Shawn? Shawn was being the typical dipshit being drunk hitting on someone's wife. I wouldn't defend Shawn. If you feel he's bitter, that's pretty bad judgment to defend someone who was clearly altered violent state. Bulldog was there, he didn't help. The rest knew Shawn was on the wrong so he got pummeled and wwf tried to cover it up cause they knew he was wrong.
Shane is one of the most believable people in wrestling. Tells it the way it went. No BS just sound stories.
If younare talking about Shane Douglas don't make me fuckin laugh lmfao. Dude is full of himself.
I just watched the part of that match he was talking about. Both Lawler and Vince on commentary called out Shane’s leg being under the bottom rope after the replay. Douglas is famously full of crap lol.
I'm lucky enough to have not only met, but been in the ring with both Shane & Shawn, and I have to say that Shane always stood out as a class act and was really friendly, and super respectful, authentic and eager to share his knowledge and expertise of the business. He'll always be one of my favorites, despite how much- at that time-as a kid- I couldnt believe that happened to HBK and thought so highly of him, and could not stand Dean Douglas! True pro.
Thats awesome bro ! And what you say about their personalities I can believe ! I wrestled on the indies for a few years and met a lot of guys but never had A high profile match with guys like them . I wrestled on the same cards with decent guys . But that was it . Heh heh .
Unbelievable that Shane is about 60. Looks incredible, still looks exactly like his TNA interviewer days.
Shane Douglas gives always great (shoot) interviews...
I’m a huge fan of Shane, but he’s completely wrong about the commentators not mentioning his foot on the bottom rope against Razor. He always tells this story the same way, but if you actually watch the match, the announcers directly acknowledge it. I believe it’s JR who initially says Douglas got his foot on the rope, then McMahon denies it, then they go to the replay which shows his foot on the rope, and McMahon agrees. I think Shane needs to watch it again sometime.
But that would destroy his Kliq held him down and ran him out of the WWF narrative.
Ok but none of that matters if the ref didn't acknowledge it
@@MetlKen87 Exactly. They were no doubt a pain in the ass and maybe they actually did try to hold him down initially a bit. But Shane should've picked up on what's working and what isn't in WWE and what Vince wants. He was antagonizing him a bit, then when he was leaving he trashed him and WWE in Madison Square Garden, which is pretty much the worst kind of fuck up you can make.
It's a shame, Shane had a mind to be more.
@@PiCheZvara I respect him more for that.
@@PiCheZvaraShane seems like an ok guy but he does love his "I got held down" narratives. He also made a similar kind of claim about being held down in WCW. Cornette was on the booking committee back then and pretty much said Herd was screwing up everything at that time so it wasn't that Shane got held down, he just had the misfortune of being in a company that was making some really stupid decisions at that time. I believe he was in that awful tag team whose name is escaping me at the time but I remember they had a skateboard gimmick so I don't know what he was expecting. Noone gets over with a friggin skateboard gimmick, especially if they don't even know how to use a skateboard. I remember them having a couple decent matches with the Midnights though.
Really enjoying all these Appalachian Championship Wrestling collabs!
Shane and Jim cornette took the midnight express flight😅
Imagine Vince in a dark room with a dim light over him. And Razor off to the side in the darkness unknown to Shane lol wild.
I heard Davey was stuck in the backseat of the car.
Yeah I heard he was all zonked out on pills and booze.
Yea. It was a two door car and the other marines blocked him from getting out of the car.
If Dave managed to get out of the car the fight it would’ve been a different story
Same here
I don't know Davey like the boys knew bulldog, but something tells me that day that Davey wasn't stuck, and just wasn't gonna get out the car to help Shawn. 🤣
I cant hear that story without thinking of two things: the first is Nashs first words when he heard, he told Vince "Meh, you cant book Shawn without me" (bc he saved him a lot) and I heard Taker and Neidhart were giving HBK no end of hell about it, saying he was a poor rep of the business, ...not that he was in a bar fight but that he lost. lol
😂😂😂
Idc who does it. If that Marine is still alive, I dont care if it’s this channel, Conrad etc but if somebody can get a interview with that guy u would be a legend
I can’t blame the guy for not coming forward though, wrestling fans are so fanatic they’ll hound him till the end of his days whether to hate on him or keep bothering him for podcasts or autographs, whatever.
Hahahaha that’s a great shout to be honest 😂
In today's world, you'd better have nothing to hide..... to put yourself out there like that, for anything.
Dude nothing good comes out of it for the guy. I wouldn't either.
I'm from Rochester and I can say at that time there were a lot of bikers and I mean a lot they covered every bar. So I'm thinking that the gang that Sean got beat up by weren't as much Marines as they were bikers
Shane is a great interview! He really thinks through his answers and gives a depth of analysis that is very rare in these things. I feel like a lot of these interviews are just some retired wrestler trying to make a quick buck by answering a few questions but Shane really delivers the goods!
Shawn Michaels was being obnoxious!?!? Im shocked!😮
In other breaking news... the sky is blue, and water is wet.
Lol.
Shawn is running NXT. It would be cool if shane Douglas was on creative in a major wrestling company
Lol
@@Hakeem990 Yeah and stories are still coming out of him squashing any person who looks at him wrong and spilling private convos with groups of others like it was some joke..
I have no idea why people put up with him.. Wrestling in general would of been a far better place if he never entered the ring.. Or at least joined WCW instead of Bret..
10 times better matches.. Kurt, Eddie, Rock and more Austin rivalry... Them 2 knew how to work each other and you could tell Austin FULLY trusted Bret in the ring to give great matches.
Love how he stood up to Vince. Nash just admitted that Shane was messed over - WWE really dropped the ball with how they handled him.
Shane wasn't Over with the audience. WWF wasn't ECW
Funny story. So I used to work with a guy (mid 50's at the time) who learned I was in training for pro wrestling. He asks me if Shawn Michaels is still alive and I said yeah. Then he says, he only asked cause in Syracuse he watched Shawn Michaels get the shit beat out him in a bar. I popped.
That guy needs to be interviewed
The beating happened in Rochester lol.
@@mikeb6135 no, it was Syracuse
@@danevertt3210 Douglas mentioned Rochester.
@@mikeb6135 he misspoke…….there’s lots of other interviews from other wrestlers that all say Syracuse
When Davey called, he told Shane, “AND KID WAS UNDUH THERE CHECKIN THE MUFFLAH!!”
Lol
Shane really draws you into a story! Gonna look for the complete version
Shane Douglas does the best interviews of any wrestler I’ve seen. Great insights and looks behinds the scenes of professional wrestling.
I remember reading on some website many years ago that it was just one guy, a marine as Shane Douglas mentioned, that he was actually significantly smaller than Shawn (at least height wise, like 5'8 at the most), and he obviously beat the shit out of Shawn. So as not to face any public embarrassment of one of their top wrestlers getting his ass kicked by a smaller man, WWE made up the story of HBK getting "jumped by a number of marines" and have supposedly stuck with that lie ever since. Knowing how WWE operates, I completely believe the first story. Plus, it's Shawn Michaels were talking about here, not somebody who's generally known as a badass tough guy lol.
I'm still confused why Michaels didn't just superkick the guy... Was it not his finisher at this point?
Oh the sarcasm...😂😂😂
You understand that there are those who won't get the sarcasm...right?
Showstopper from top the bar!. 💪🏼
@Eric Stuff they were smarks and beat the f@ck outta HBK 😂😂😂
Lotta talk about stretching asses in pro wrestling 😂😂
Probably the worst was when Jeff Jarrett was in WCW and told someone he'd stretch his ass like it had never been stretched before.
@@carleton4199 😂😂😂
LOL! It's been said so often, I'm starting question if it's really an euphemism or not.
@@carleton4199I can imagine double J doing the same in AEW 😂
That's why Pat Patterson could never retire from the WWF. He had his hands full.
James, you did another shoot interview with The Franchise?
LET'S GO!
"Relapse of a concussion" Man that's a hell of a euphamism for getting your arse handed to you again
Shane is a good interview
Shane with a run as IC champ would have been great business. The heat he would have generated would have made the eventual switch to either Shawn or Razor so much more.
Shane is absolutely right here.
I agree he would have been an awesome IC Champ!
Shane in wwe isn't ecw Shane two different situations
No it wouldn't have. Nobody gave two shits about Dean Douglas. Literally nobody.
@@MetlKen87 ok 👍 no reason to get all aggressive at one person’s opinion
@@MetlKen87 Literally?? That's pretty funny
Jerry Lawler absolutely does mention the leg going underneath the rope. He goes on and on about it.
“In the wwf we send the fans home happy” 2023 - Cody loses to Roman at wrestlemania 😭
How are the ratings been with The Bloodline? How habe the tickets been? 🤔
imagine if sell phones were everywhere back then? how many insane moments would be caught!?
Got to see Shane in Canton Ohio last week. Fun show.
"Gravity falls up?" 😅😂
Shane's awesome
Knowing Shane's feelings on Shawn Michaels, the thumbnail for this video made me laugh to myself.
Such a solid in ring worker and would destroy you on the microphone. He was totally misused in WWE. His run as ECW champ was legit!
Decided to go watch the ending of the Razor match Shane’s talking about. Lawler was calling out Shane’s leg being outside the ring the entire time, and Vince and JR agreed after seeing the replay. It was a whole big scene of Douglas explaining to ref and the commentary team his leg was out. The way he tells it Vince told everyone not to mention it to make him look bad lol.
I heard that in August of 1990 Shane teamed up with Marty Jannetty as The Rockers cause Shawn was out with a knee injury. I would like to hear that story and how that situation transpired.
That is probably true as at Summerslam 1990 Shawn didn't wrestle due to a knee injury. Makes sense.
Yea against power and glory shawn never wrestled in the match was basically a squash match. Hercules got him in the knee with his chain before the match although he was already limping to the ring.
@@oriondx72 Yeah you could see just getting down to the ring he was in real agony. Also Hercules attacked Shawn's healthy knee to safeguard doing more damage to the injured one.
Correction-Chad Frost was out with a knee injury
Wasn't this incident after a house show at a bar in Binghamton with the Syracuse show the next day? I can't remember whose book I read this in, but the whole story is insane.
Being from Syr can confirm this is one of our city's greatest moments #315
#cusetown
Facts me too!!!
Does anyone really believe Shane talked to Vince like he claims? I don’t for a second
I do, and it's probably why he got fired pretty quickly and went back to ECW where he could be a big fish again, no matter how small the pond.
Hey everybody! Shane Douglas has had medical training.
That line where Vince says ' We here in the World Wrestling Federation believe the fans should go home happy' 😆 🤣 😆
He clearly didnt get his own memo RA era onwards.
I met Shawn shortly before the beating maybe a month before.Nice enough guy but believed his own hype.Saw him hitting on other guys wives and girlfriends and told him one of these days someone ain't gonna put up with that and he blew it off.
Yea sure buddy
Shane is a fellow Pittsburgher and is a true legend! WWF went out of their way to tarnish his legacy. True wrestling fans know that he's on the list of workers who know the ins and outs of the squared circle.
He wasn’t a legend. He never was a massive draw in the business.
@@brianezell5790 Just because they weren't successful in WWE doesn't mean there are an utter failure. By that warped logic, one can argue Shawn Michaels shouldn't be considered a legend because he didn't draw any money during the new-generation era.
WWE is NOT (nor it shouldn't be) the "be all, end all" any wrestler career.
Even Foley said Douglas was his own worst victim
Go Steelers
Looking forward to this, thanks Shane
"9 thugs in Syracuse," aka Marines 😂😂😂.
I know one of the guys that was there during that fight. It was a guy from a group of Army people who were there, not a marine.
The story never changes shawn got beat up
The announcers DID talk about the leg under the rope, they even played back 2 different replays showing the leg under the rope.
All those games Vince played came back to haunt him when wrestlers started leaving the WWF and joined WCW.
And who got the last laugh?? Remind me again?
It was either 10 marines, or an army corporal from the 10th mountain division.
They shouldn’t have thrashed the living hell out of him, especially if he was drunk. Besides, 10 against 1 wasn’t fair. Good thing they didn’t kill him.
Would have been nice if Vince would have introduced a wrestling angle with a new wrestler claiming to be that Marine that beat up Shawn and come in with an crazy story line.
John Cena as a marine was bad enough 😂
He would not embarass his boy toy.
Actually, the announcers DID mention the foot under the bottom trope. At least King did. Then later, Vince and JR had to acknowledge it once they kept showing the replay. It never changed anything, so I get it, but it was mentioned.
Also, I've heard so many different versions of that Syracuse fight. Some say Davey eventually got out and cleaned house. Others say he was held back by the other marines while the one guy beat up Shawn. A few say Davey was stuck in the back seat until almost the very end and the marines scattered once he finally emerged. I'm not sure which version I buy. Obviously the WWE's version was to try to protect Shawn. First 10, then 9 guys jumped him. But I've also heard Shawn was so wasted he wouldn't have been able to fight back even if he WANTED to. And X-Pac of course I heard was a non-factor.
Just because you play a bad@$$ on tv, doesn't mean you are one... looking at you cm punky brewster.😂❤
Most wrestling fans have no idea who Shane Douglas is never heard of him. If you told them you'd get ok 😐
loved watching him in ecw
What wrestling fans you talking about? The 15 years olds today that you hang out with?
Acting like wrestling fans don’t know the top heel for much of ECW and a member of a major faction in WCW just makes you sound foolish to wrestling fans.
13:00 No idea what Douglas is talking about here. The announcers made a HUGE deal about his foot being under the bottom rope. Lawler was practically screaming about it and JR/Vince admitted that Lawler was right, but said that nevertheless the title would change hands because referee decisions were final in the WWF.
Some people's accounts like to place them as victims
😂😂 wasnt expecting james singing
Ah! So Vince was always a bad booker.
It wasn't a Marine that kicked his ass, It was some soldiers from Ft. Drum (Army). Shawn was being a jackass, but it was a few guys that threw him a beating.
Shane's shoote are gold and his stories never change.
I believe Shane's version
I've heard him tell it 3, 4 times over the yrs. It has not changed.
James, your singing voice is a gift to be shared with the world. Uncage that bird and let it fly!
This shits honestly sad. Still talking about a man you didnt like from 30 years ago.
Should he have just said no comment?
@Hose Pipe its just the way he is. All bitter . It's sad bro. I'm a fan of the franchise too.
@@hosepipe and ya why not say no comment
I read Shawn’s book and he legitimately doesn’t remember anything from that night really….I can totally believe that…when you’re blackout drunk and on pills, you’re prone to do stupid shit and not remember any of it…not absolving Shawn but it is what it is
I swear he knew what he was doing I've been so drunk before that I remember everything I so don't believe it
But then again I kinda understand the pill part because I've witnessed people drunk and on pills too
shawn could not fight his way out of a brown paper bag with 3 days rain on it
He held his own against Bret.
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 AAAHAHAHAHAHA yeah right
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 When? During the backstage fight in Hartford when Bret ripped out a handful of Shawn's hair? 😅
@@miesvaillanykyisyytta3252 That's because Brett was such a pro he could put a bag of flour over.
9:36 lol, Vince didn’t apply that philosophy when his boy toy beat Bulldog at One Night Only
I love how they bump up how many were involved. Later the truth comes out in the paper and it was 6 soldiers. But really only the 1 soldier did the real fighting. Shawn got stupid with a military guys girl and got his ass kicked.
Haha, that Shawn Michaels cheese song, unfortunately I remember it well because they played it so much.
If Shawn Michaels looked fresh as a daisy, then it sounds like the beating never took place.
Those were Army soldiers from Ft. Drum. 10th Mountain soldiers hang out between Watertown and Syracuse, NY.
shawn got into a lot of fights outside the ring and he never ended up looking too good after . he got put out of commission after a texas fight
Shane is definitely right I was just old-school wrestling from the 80s it was so much better but the horsemen would beat up and jump there opponents at every house show building up anticipation for Magnum or Dusty or somebody to get their revenge at that upcoming pay-per-view it was awesome
It's hilarious that Chad Frost got his ass kicked by a marine 😂
🎶"Tell me a lie"🎶😄 that was some Corny Sh**!😆
As 4 yr old in Syracuse I was always sad Sean ain’t return and never wanted to believe my uncle. Mind u we would walk to the shows when they came around.
It was an Army Corporal who gave Shawn Michaels his free tune up that night. His name was Doug Griffith and he lives in Watertown. He beat up Shawn Michaels without anyone’s help. Give the man his due and stop perpetuating the lie giving credit to a small platoon of Marines.
Shawn Michaels got his ass handed to him by one Marine, not a group of them.... 😅
Was so happy to hear that that one Marine beat the snot out of Michaels lol!😅
I remember in some other interview Davey Boy was so huge he couldn't get out of the rental on time, and Shawn got jumped by the whole group
Shane is a great interview
ISNT THAT DEAN DOUGLAS, THE WORST CHARACTER IN WWE HISTORY?
This guy never even reached MIDcard status. Why is it professional wrestling has so many narcissist?
All I know is he was the man in ECW and the biggest heel when I watched. That was fine enough for me.
Opener in WWF. Some midcard later.
Midcard WCW.
Main event ECW.
That's out of order but you get it.
shawn is lucky to be alive...Semper Fi...
I allegedly, met Xpac on the ambulance. Yup, allegedly I worked in Atlanta for 25 years on an amberlamb.
The announcers do mention his foot going under the rope.
Pretty funny to listen to the way Chantel's stories. There's been several rumors of Shawn getting in several "kerfuffles" and not coming out on top.
They need to ask Kevin was Scott really hiding in dark.
Vince always had a hit man around in meetings just in case there was a problem. This rule was put into place after Nailz choked him out in Dec.1992.
So he wasn't there. His word ain't worth shit on this matter!
I love his stories
It happened at Club 37 in Syracuse.