“The Judge Needs To Go Back To School” | Julia Hartley-Brewer Argues With Caller On Prayer Ban
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- Опубліковано 1 тра 2024
- A ruling dismissing a Muslim student’s High Court challenge against a ban on prayer rituals at her school is a “victory” for all others, its headteacher has said. Michaela Community School in Brent, north London, faced legal action from the pupil, who claimed its policy was discriminatory and unlawfully breached her right to religious freedom.
In a judgment on Tuesday, a judge concluded the ban did not interfere with the student’s rights and was “proportionate” amid the school’s aim to promote an ethos of inclusivity and social cohesion.
Katherine Birbalsingh, the high-achieving school’s founder and headteacher, said: “A school should be free to do what is right for the pupils it serves.
Julia Hartley-Brewer debates with caller Hussein from Warwickshire.
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If you don't like this country, LEAVE !
Do not send your children to a secular school then demand prayer rooms!
School is for education not religion!
Go to a Mosque if your want to pray!
Wasting £150, 000 on legal aid is absolutely disgusting! The family should pay back this amount immediately!
Exactly! You see the cunning plan? They want to take over everything.
Exactly
Totally agree. Yet other people like Hugh grant even though it was privacy laws risked paying his fees and the other party's legal fees. To me if she lost she should pay all costs
Or send their kids to a Muslim school!
I’d let them pay in instalments say 1k per month with interest otherwise they might have to sell their child as a second (third, fourth …) wife to an old bloke!
If you don’t like the rule…don’t join the school! 😎
What a ridiculous caller, if people cannot abide by the rules of a school then do not apply to go to that school, the caller needs to go back to school!
The caller is part of the islamist speedtrain that expects rights they wont allow others to abide by if the environment was administered by them.
Don't send your kids to school if you don't like the rules.
It's a Christian country
If you don't like it, there's plenty of Muslim countries you can go to👋
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Dude just doesn't get it. How frustrating to listen to. Mentioning God is not "worship". Jeez dude. Praying is worshiping.
You say a pray right ✅ 🙏
All hail Katherine Birbalsingh! What a remarkable woman and all respect to her for standing her ground against Islam!
Of course it had to be a muslim who disagreed with the court's decision ..........
Yeah, it's almost like this interviewed is staged to produce a false narrative. I'm atheist and I also disagreed the judge's hypocritical decision, but because Julia is a raging fascist hate preacher she highlights a Muslim caller over all other religious and non-religious demographics.
She is an unhinged racist, and if you're not a bot account, then you are too.
Yes as always, they think their right and everyone else is wrong. You can’t get them to understand simple logic.
Oh do shut up hussein.
It's telling that after the girl lost the case, given the choice between her faith and remaining at the school, she chose ... the school. 😂
Don’t talk to members of the child bride club.
He's not jewish...
@@Ladybird55505 Child bride lover Mooooooooooooo HAM HEAD
@@Ladybird55505 Not with a name like Hussain.
I DO AGREE WITH JULIA!!!!!!
The guy (obviously Muslim) tries to change the narrative.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK JULIA!!!!!!!
He is demanding special treatment.
He is advocating for Muslim prayer time.
While totally disregarding the other religions and non religious pupils!
By not allowing any religions group to have special privileges.
This encourages fairness, equity treatment and basic understanding that religion is a CHOICE.
Good values for any child to adopt 😊
His choice to pray is is own...thats what he asked for.
Religion is a protected characteristic in this country. If you are going to follow human rights, you can't pick and choose who gets those rights.
@@araweelo230 Nobody is doing that. All religions are being treated the same.
@@jimjames4348 so religion needs to be removed as a protected characteristic?
@@araweelo230 Ideally yes. Nobody should be able to tell your religion by looking at you and you should not get special treatment for your foreign religion.
Say no and he goes off in one!
All the Muslims organisations are, they're even talking about appealing and taking it back to court.
It's the stock response and why we are at this juncture at this time.
As is the norm with the 7th century cult.
They hate to lose!
What's really criminal is the Solicitor charging £120,000 of taxpayer's money to fight the case.
Absolutely ridiculous.
Send them the bill.
The pupil and her parents would not have taken it to court if the did not get PRO BONO.
The Muslim layers are making a lot of money.
@@eliakimjosephsophia4542 Oh dear. The British are the worst of the lot.
@@eliakimjosephsophia4542 Blame it on the foreigners?? God you racists are so boring. You probably voted Tory, so you get what you deserve.
If this called doesn't like living in the west, there's plenty of other options for him, his family and friends.
Bye bye, won't miss them
so you agree the UK and USA should stop meddling in the Middle East? When will they be taking the Jewish back home to Poland?
The child should be going to a school that worships the same god the child believes in if they want to pray whenever they want to.
tbf, i'm glad the child is being given a broader education than just blindly accepting islam is correct because her parents said so.
School are for education, not for prayer. Do as the Romans do, abide by that rule of the land.
You do realise there is a mandatory Christian course in every UK secondary school, right?
@@samuelwright9255 I have not heard about this. What is it that you are making reference to?
And in her interview with Peter Boghossian, she has no problem with children praying silently when they want to. So, no ban on prayer.
@@samuelwright9255No there isn't. You talk b****x.
@samuelwright9255 religious education was removed from the curriculum years ago. My neices, who finished school 8 and 10 years ago, NEVER did religious education.
Wow, someone got told no and it’s national news!!
No one should be intimidated into respecting the month of overnight gluttony commonly called Radaman.
ah yes because christianity never over eats in December. Let alone the absurd overspending of gifts...
@@Ladybird55505Christmas is not a fast silly. And what people spend their money on has nothing to do with you.
@@ernestschroeder9762 I never said it was a fast...the moron above said it was a "over night gluttony" to which I pointed out the hipocracy that is his Christian month of December where christians fill their bellies so full they fall asleep, and buy hundereds of pounds worth of gifts for their little darlings....
Thats not Christianity thats just christmas which is now used as a general family get together for most of the population who aren't even religious@@Ladybird55505
And the zakat is only to be spent on other Muslims not the kafir. This is the difference. At Christmas everyone buys presents for friends and family regardless of their faith. The fasting isn’t really fasting as it’s not called breakfast in the morning for nothing 🤷🏽
I think the caller needs to go back to school
we are a christian country,if you want islam,move
This is a secular country so if you want christianity, move to Israel. I'm sure they'll look after you❤
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Most people in the country don't follow Christianity.
@@sohail789 they dont follow islam either
@@sohail789 yes, most are atheist or agnostic. However, the country is based on christianity including the law and the British ethics, standards and social wellbeing. That is why I, not a follower of religion, but I do respect this countries history and values to which it is based upon.
this is a secular school. and no it isn't a christian country, (the celts were pagan) if you want that, go and live in the Middle East
Common sense prevailed, no religion should be able to dictate school policy at any secular school.
The issue here is equality. Everyone regardless of faith should be treated equally. That means no one receives special treatment. That means if Maths is from 10am to 11am no one is permitted to leave the classroom to pray or do any other non educational activity otherwise a two tier system within a school will develop. If you don't like the school rules, go to another school that will accommodate your needs.
How is it even controversial that a school has the right to advertise as a secular school and then enforce being secular? Why would this stupid person enroll at a school which makes their policy of being secular crystal clear and then take the school to Court for a policy they knew about. The arrogance of the lawyers and individuals who perpetuated this litigation knows no bounds. It is not relevant whether it is a Muslim, Sikh, Christian or whatever. But, it is a fact that it was not a Christian, Sikh and so on who challenged the policy even though they had as much right to do it as anyone.
Because they want to change the School to suit them just like they want to do to our country and way of life
OMG School is for learning not religion I agree with decision!
yes so no navity plays and the like!
These people forget what country they're in.
When I was at school in the early 80s, the Muslim kids were allowed to sit out of assembly. Now it seems that Islam is being forced on us.
but it isn't. that's the point. A group of people may want it to be, but this court happily found that there shouldn't be a special exemption here.
@@JP-je6jg but we’re talking about the caller? I am in complete agreement with the court, but this video is all about the caller.
@@jeremyhards1911 Yes and as i point out, the legal apparatus in this country prevented Islam from being given special treatment in this instance. Because some people make statements or act in a way that implies a certain religion or group are dominating things, doesn't mean they are.
I'm an atheist and live in one of the most diverse cities in the country and i can say with all certainty that i do not have Islam forced on me everyday. On the streets, i see Christian preachers, Muslim preachers buddhists.
Give it another ten years lets see if we can have that changed for you, as a ex muslim i can definitely notice islam forced down my throat constantly living in the uk so i dont know where you are coming from.@JP-je6jg
@@torahemetkiruv8807 well if you are an ex Muslim, do you know more people who are Muslims? Do you move in communities where it is more prominent? I can see it around Birmingham for sure, but no more than Christianity. I can drive by 2 gurdwaras on my way to the city centre. I get stopped by the Buddhist guy trying to sell incense in the city centre. The Jehovah's witnesses stand there quietly, offering their handouts. Yes there are Muslims offering qurans but so are Christian preachers going up an down the street.
I know there are incidents where Muslim groups attempt to influence and sway things in this country, but I have yet to see many examples of it successfully changing the way this country is run. I see far more attempts by 'woke' activists and far right nut jobs and far more of them seem to work.
Why is that kid at a school that does not have prayers at a certain time of day? The child who has a sister possibly going to the same school in September is still there and not in a muslim school. I wonder if the family thought they could sue the school and get some free money?
I'm so sick of this situation and these people, both are getting worse!
And in her interview with Peter Boghossian, she has no problem with children praying silently when they want to. So, no ban on prayer.
Hussain needs to go back to school , Muslim children needing Prayer Time need to be in a Muslim Faith School not main stream , the ruling has been finalised it’s a NO to prayer
Tbf, i feel education should be secular. Religion is personal and can be indulged in personal time. Education is broadening people's mind and horizons, exactly the sort of thing religion tries to thwart. No religious school!
@@JP-je6jg I agree 100%
yes and that means NO navity and xmas
@@Ladybird55505 I'm an atheist so that's fine by me. But i'm not saying children can't learn about religion, just that they should not be told one religion is right over others.
@@JP-je6jg and where are they being told that? thats not what the asked for, they asked for private prayer space.
What is the problem if they want to do that stay at and do home learning dead easy
The prime objective of a school is to provide education not religious belief.
Not all that surprised at this caller and his position.
What religious people need to understand is, that in a democracy nobody is obliged to align themselves with religious beliefs, practices or texts. You do that on your own time. Not at school or work. We hear alot of religious freedom, well that doesn't mean the rest of us can't criticise or want no part of it. Personally I think it's down to the religious groups to prove what is written is factual and can be easily proved with a scientific test. So much for western enlightenment.
It’s all about Muslim pushing further and further 🧐🤓🏴🇬🇧🇺🇸🇹🇻🇮🇱well done to this amazing teacher 🫶🏻👏🏻🫡
Caller should look at the facts of the case. The school did / are not breaking the rights of anybody being religious etc, under the terms of the ECHR. If religion is so vital, 1, do it in your own time and / or 2, go to a school that allows it. But be ready for the education to suffer.
This is not the end for this school or head
They are now at real risk.
It has already started.
Michaela Community School stands out for its strict approach, unwavering focus on academic excellence, and commitment to traditional teaching methods. Its remarkable success serves as evidence that high results can be achieved without relying on religious rituals. Those that don't like it can go somewhere else or to a choice of many faith schools
Break time is your own time he said? In effect, the school is responsible for the students from first bell to final bell. Just because he went ditching school when he was young.
You earn a earning a living here, so respect the country and its rules, if you don’t go away
Why is mentioning God an act of worship and not an act of blasphemy? Without sitting in the assembly this caller has no idea what happens in there. I think my school broke the law every day, as there wasn't a hall big enough for the school to gather every day, so assemblies were staggered throughout the week.
It's well known what the rules are so why enrol there in the first place
Common sense has prevailed
Education is what a school is for, be grateful that you can get a FREE education in the Uk and stop trying to impose your own beliefs .
Respect the rules
Time to take back our own country and believes this is getting out of order just my opinion
Bigotry
This is a Christian country, these people, who on the whole don't pay tax, 80% of Muslims are on benefits, keep demanding and demanding, get them out of the UK and Europe.
All religions being treated equally is bigotry? Do educate us?
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Are you not going to share your superior wisdom with us then? Just call us the usual NPC insults then bolt. Typical pro pally. Provoke, then play victim.
He likes the sound of his own voice doesn't he. He is wrong of course but they do not like being told no.
This mother is going to be more trouble than she is worth and i read that she has another bone of contention. To have another child at the school will be double the trouble and should be avoided if possible.
Pray at home before and after school. This applies for all faiths. School is for education so send your kids their so they can learn & not have any other distractions. Surely this is good for every child's future
Well, hasn't he embarrassed himself 🙄
UAE seems a better place go there
Far to used to getting own.Just trying to show dominance
Michaela Community School stands out for its strict approach, unwavering focus on academic excellence, and commitment to traditional teaching methods. Its remarkable success serves as evidence that high results can be achieved without relying on religious rituals. Those that don't like it can go somewhere else or to a choice of many faith schools
Another Muslim wanting us to do what he wants.
What 'she' wants. It was a female student who wanted this at the school.
@@kevinwake8789 I was speaking about the interviewee.
@@kevinwake8789 Come on Kevin...
@craigstephens93 WHAT. how TF was I supposed to know this person was talking about the interviewee??? It was a female student that took the school to court AND DOESN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT AN INTERVIEW IN THE COMMENT.
@collier8931 The interviewees' name was Hussain, which is Arabic. The person could be Jewish not Muslim or even a Sikh.
We’ve got Islamic schools in Britain, you don’t get to make British schools Islamic too. Your religion is a private affair, keep it private.
that what the child was asking for. Private prayer space
@@Ladybird55505 he’s already got that, at home or an Islamic school. Do the Islamic schools in the U.K. have a Jewish prayer room ? Or a Christian prayer room ?
@@thatguy4311 Jewish and Christians dont need prayer rooms, but yes they do!
I have no problem with religion being taught as an academic subject but other than that every school should be secular and no wearing of religious symbols or clothing.
Do they teach the Lord’s Prayer in the madrases?
There is the problem
He's taking the pi---. Assembly in a morning 15 mins is different to trouble makers.
There is no spiritual element at all within that primitive cult !
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Christianity? Yeah I agree, who the hell wnats to celebrate the murder of a person each year
Every stratagem against the non believer
People are so deeply hurt that even the kids of Muslims are devoutly committed to practicing their faith. That they are willing to do that during their break time.
To a point that they deem denying these kids their free choice as a major victory for this proud nation 🙄
Oh, so Hussain, is UK Law not to be obeyed then? Is only Sharia Law correct?
and what is sharia law? name one rule...
@@Ladybird55505 Ask a muslim. Ok for them but we have our own law here thank you
The enemy within
Nowhere in the Koran does it say u have to pray 5 times a day that’s why they lost the case . Of course Muslims are upset it’s the first time they’ve been told NO
I don't remember any pupils at my last school being given special rights concerning religion, if they had special food needs they would try to accommodate them but that was it, it would be better to say we ban all mention of religion at school. As for pupils being bullied because they don't follow Ramadan then tell the bullies bye bye your not welcome, just another story of a minority trying to force the majority to bend to their will
There should be *zero* deference to superstition in schools. History has shown that when it is nothing good comes of it, and that lying to kids becomes the norm to sell the tall tales in old books. No.
yeah exactly ban the nativity play
@@Ladybird55505 If you agree that Islam should not be in secular schools, then neither should any other.
Islamist thrive on contradiction, and this is one. It means they can weedle their way in.
The Christian god, not that it exists, will need to grow a pair and take one for the team. I mean, either that or actually help. But since that day never comes and never has id rather we put a clear line, in law, that their be zero superstition in school.
@@Ladybird55505 You either alow it for all or for none. Superstition has no place in a school.
@@bertrandrussell894 sure...fine by me, but that truly means all of it
@@Ladybird55505 Seconded.
Schools are for schooling not prying.
Unreasonable people are unreasonable….
Christian Country Muslims stay within your Boundaries can yah?…
I notice that it is always muslims that complain, why? Followers of other religions make mo demands, they integrate and respect their host country's ways and do not continuously challenge.
Best would be to have no religion in schools, just as places of learning what is necessary.
yeah I've never read a single Daily Mail article on how woke it is to remove christmas based activties from schools and nurseries
@@Ladybird55505 you read the daily mail?
@@beaufighter245 no I can actually read
@@Ladybird55505 what an odd response. You reference the daily mail but then deny reading it. Nothing more required from you as clearly unsubstantiated speculation. Close the door on your way out.
@@beaufighter245 I don't need to read the newspaper to be aware of the demograph it caters to....but you tried I guess.
Wierd i always thought we lived in a c of e country?????
since when? The celts were pagans? Or do you foget that the Brits are actually danish and Roman?
@@Ladybird55505 that was when Celts were fighting for independence. The UK is United in democracy now and has been for a long time. Christians and Catholics worship Jesus, so try again. 🤡 England is a C of E country as taught in primary school
Spiritual whats Spiritual about asking British public to pay court costs why don't the group this girls parents belong to Spiritually pay for court cost why should she have got legal aid it was a private matter Spiritually
I live in the UK and the churches are turning into furniture shop's and wine bar's some have turned into mosques.. the hypocrisy on the uk being a religious country 😂😂
As stated the school does not have space to have an indoor prayer room. This just shows religion causes all sorts of issues and problems. Children intimidating others for not what they wanted them.
Plus, wasn't the girl suspended for threatening another pupil with a knife? There is more to this than meets the eye.
I don’t understand why said pupil can’t just wait till after school and pray at home??
What does he/she think other Muslim kids do?
They wait till they’re at home!
Unnecessary drama!
Because they want to assert their dominance in public institutions. It's an attempted takeover of every part of British life.
The caller was a good example of everything that’s wrong with religion. Ban religion in every sphere of public life. If you want to be religious, do it in your own time and in private.
Its a Christian land
Easy fix, there are regular flights from Heathrow to many if not all Muslim countries 👋
so you agrre the UK and USA should be staying out of ME affairs? When will the Polish Jews be returning home?
@@Ladybird55505 mental gymnastics is not a sport I'm well versed in. Try again.
@@johnsorzano it appears mental anything is not your forte...
@@Ladybird55505 ahhhh bless your heart 🤗. I'll be sure to pray for you when not at school 😉
@@Ladybird55505why should the Polish and Jews return home?
Mentioning God in a secular school, hypocritical at the very least.
😂That's different 😂
I’m glad it was banned your at school to LEARN
Hold on, isn't there a staggering hypocrisy here in terms of schools teaching 'diversity' and then practicing secularism? Or are we redefining the word 'diversity' to suit?
What is the proper meaning of diversity?
Diversity is the range of human differences, including but not limited to race, ethnicity, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, age, social class, physical ability or attributes, religious or ethical values system, national origin, and political beliefs. (From source)
The other version wasn't so useful it said "the practice or quality of including or involving people from a range of different social and ethnic backgrounds and of different genders, sexual orientations, etc." (From source)
Obviously I am fully supportive of the etc. lol?
Erm Julia, can you elaborate more on the mentioning of God once a day at assembly? Was it because the head kept dropping things? Just asking. I was thinking of starting up a Diversity Includes Everyone movement but unfortunately the abbreviation leaves a lot to be desired.
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I wasn't aware that the students are not allowed to carry out any prayer ritual even in their free time. That does seem a bit restrictive. However, to any Muslims viewing this, Asalaamu Walykum Wa Rahmatullah and whilst I am not an imam or a scholar I would suggest that prayer and worship are in the heart first and foremost and if under any form of duress I believe it is permissible to shorten those prayers and think of those specified movements for them to be counted as complete in accordance with the Sunnah. According to source it is definitely permissible to make up for any missed Sunnah prayers at a subsequent time. (al-Bukhaari (1233) and Muslim (834)). Asalaam
God she is awful, chanel should fire her
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God is not real
The Judge needs to go back to school apparently, meanwhile Julia should be fired
So by this court precedent, all Catholic Schools are illegal? Oh wait, sorry, it's Christianity and it is "special" and gets a pass.
So let me guess Julia you ban muslim students of praying in school assemblies but not christians and jews and Do you know why Julia it's because i prefer every religion to pray in school assemblies.
Because England is a Christian country that's your answer,
A secular school is a secular school, but if she wishes to pray at school, you can't infringe her rights. She also has personal freedom. Same for any indiviudal.
Her right is to an education not to disrupt others education by demanding special treatment by a school that is reportedly an excellent one . All pupils are considered equal and receive the same education . It’s why school uniforms exist . They are there to learn . Period . And can we please stop talking about this child as if she is desperate to pray . This is her entitled parents using their child to push an agenda . There is all the time in the world out of school hours for them to impart their beliefs on their children
I don't think the problem is she wants to go and pray during the lunch break. Islamic call to prayer occurs on a fixed time schedule and it seems it's clashing with class time and that's the issue.
@@NewkemG yeah I don;t think a prayer is infringing a right...what an odd statment
@@michaelbuick6995 it is at lunchtime.
@@Ladybird55505 Are you sure? As I said islamic call to prayer isn't a case of "fit it in when you can" it has a schedule that's dictated by the rising and setting sun.
As a Catholic I agree with this Muslim man.
Its only made a big deal because its Muslim students involved. If this was a football show that was cancelled then English fellas would be throwing tantrums about it and the media would not really care.
Then don't send your kids to that school.
Simple.
Because Muslims are the only group who time and time again try to force their beliefs and customs upon others
@@micheledunn4391 Sometimes parents do not have nearby faith schools so they have to send their children to public schools.
Its the job of democratic Britain to provide for religious rights of all citizens including Muslims.
I wouldn't expect Christians to be given priority over any other religion so I wouldn't expect any child to be given priority over any other.
You can pray before and after school, so all children are treated the same.
No one child should be given priority over any other.
There's a time and a place for praying and schools not it.
Because only 1 religion tries to force its beliefs and customs on others
Have you nevernoticed that they bully until they get their own way.
Medieval nonsense.
I said long ago that they shouldn't allow religion in schools as its a personal choice and not applicable to everyone. Instead, learn maths, english history, geography, science, and engineering as these things are applicable to all as it teaches children to think and solve problems and think critically.
Wanna pray then go to a house of worship
Wanna learn then keep religion out of schools
Belief in an “imaginary” figure has absolutely no place in schools.