God's Ultimate Plan for the Universe
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2020
- We know what we know about the world, and we’re told in the bible what we can apparently know (and NEED to know) about the nature of the world to come.
Is THIS really what the creator of the universe had in mind?
Is this what it’s all for?
If you accept Christian theology, then you have to believe that this is basically what it boils down to.
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I have no doubt that the main criticism of this video will be that it takes an unsophisticated, simplistic, and fundamentalist approach to understanding Hell and the punishment of the unsaved.
Talk to the hand. The hand is holding up the book that contains this:
Matt 25:41 Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
Mark 9:48 “…to be cast into hell, where the worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched”
Revelation 14:10 “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone”
Matthew 13:50 “…and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth
Revelation 20:14-15 “This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”
Revelation 20:10 “And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet are too, and they will be tormented there day and night forever and ever”
Luke 16:22-25 …And he cried out and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool off my tongue; for I am in agony in this flame.' But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that during your life you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus bad things; but now he is being comforted here, and you are in agony’.
Matthew 25:46 “And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
John 3:36 “The one who believes in the Son has eternal life. The one who rejects the Son will not see life, but God’s wrath remains on him.”
Matthew 25:45-46 Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Revelation 14:11 “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night”
Luke 10:15 And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? No, you will be thrown down to Hades!
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I’ve had this video in mind since at least as far back as 2014. I’ve worked on it for minutes at a time every few months since then. Heaven and hell, for example, were drawn in 2016. I can’t believe that it’s actually complete. Whether anyone gets it or not is another matter.
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The video clip that opens the video was purchased from a site called Pond5.
The sound effects used for hell mostly came from epidemicsound.com. My UA-cam network, ScaleLab, gives members a free membership, of which I took great advantage. Most other sound effects came from within Final Cut Pro.
All musical soundscapes were created by me on GarageBand, either on the Mac or the iPad. Much of the text and motion was created in Keynote.
Thanks to Pete Hague who, back in 2016, assisted greatly with the mathematical information represented around the two-minute mark.
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For anyone still confused, the point is this: The idea that God's plan was to create an entire super-complex universe with life that loves and obeys him, meddle a few times, have it last for almost no time at all in the grand scheme of things, then blow it all up and put everyone in heaven and/or hell forever - is just ridiculous. This isn't a plan so much as it's a child throwing up on a piece of paper and calling it a map.
agreed, and then they(people subscribing to this so called "god") arrogantly throw threat to everyone else who doesn't believe in their so called "god", saying "you're going to hell", which is just equivalent to saying "you're going to a place I don't even know exist and you're going there because of not agreeing to me when my god should be the one to actually judge your worth and not me a human."
It's as if I somehow read this exact comment, then went back in time and figured out how to turn it into a video. You've said it in words as well as I could hope to say it in video.
Interesting analogy, do you have some personal experience
@@NonStampCollector I'm honored! Glad to see you out here one more time, even if just for a bit. There's no underestimating the positive impact you've had on the online atheist community and by extension on millions of people. Great work!
My mum said that she liked my map. And my mom's opinion is good. Your opinion is stupid. My map is awesome.
I see that I was wrong in my prediction and this video did not, in fact, release in the year 2032 of our Lord.
E V E R Y O N E I S H E R E
Love your stuff, man!
Same here
The end is nigh
Wow! DarkMatter2525 is here! It's all coming together now!
@@ImplodingChicken same here
During the hell scenes ,one can almost feel God’s infinite love and mercy pouring forth from the screen .
And hear the sounds of millions expressing their thanks
billions. Even the worst of humanity, say Hitler won't learn anything in hell. That's just our tribalistic form of judicial punishment.
I wonder if their screams and/or burning flesh could be heard from heaven? Would it be a 'pleasing aroma' to all the inhabitants of heaven as much as it is to God?
@@nudge86he does enjoy the smell of cooking meat.
@@mystiquevening indeed. A sweet smelling savor to be more precise😅
Watch out, NSC, or you might have this video used as an educational tool by unwitting fundamentalists
Oh, hi there Drew.
That DID cross my mind! Fundamentalists might end up showing this in church. (They'll probably skip that bit with all them numbers and that, just show the good stuff at the end.)
I miss your overgrown hair Drew :(
This is simply a Strawman of what Christians believe. Hell is a separation of humanity from God. The majority of christians believe that. Fire and brimstone is an apt romanticization of Hell, but it is a result of God's judgement and the absence of his glory. For someone who advocates seeing the other sides arguments fairly, it's strange to see you on this propagandists channel @GMS.
@@wesleycolemanmusic Christians believe all sorts of things. Some believe in what is depicted here and some don't even believe in a he'll at all. And everything in between. Because it may not correspond to YOUR belief doesn't mean that (at least some) Christians don't believe it.
"But he loves you"....
"He loves you, and he needs money."
I miss George Carlin.
Same love an abuser gives their battered spouse: 'I hit you because I love you. Obey me or else.'
"...somehow just can't handle money."
@K J but of course, as long as that Christian asks for forgiveness and accepts jesus... anything goes. How convenient.
My favorite part was when all the people were burning in hell for all eternity.
ladfan4life84 Not me, i liked the part where all the people were burning in hell for all eternity. Although that part where all the people were burning in hell for all eternity was pretty good too because that shows how loving God is.
oh, a- a-and also the part where all the good people where in heaven, and they had like wings and stuff, and it was like super cool
Is that you, Jesus?
@@stupidas9466 loves me so much that he'll sentence anyone to eternal punishment for sins that have short term affects. i feel so #blessed
Just a personal opinion but I don't even think eternal suffering is a just punishment for even Hitler.
@@jotch4491 Same, i often say finite acts shouldn't result in infinite torture no matter what it is.
"Faith" is probably the thing that finally made me let go. I was probably 15 or 16 when I realized that belief isn't a choice. You believe what you believe based on what you've seen. You do or you don't. An omnipotent god would know if you're pretending. If you haven't given me evidence, then the best I can do is pretend I believe but according to scripture this dude knows I'm faking it. Why would he ask me to lie to him if he knows I'm lying? You can't force yourself to be something you are not. You want to change my mind, all the threats and promises in the world won't do that. If you made me, and you set the events of my life experiences in motion, then I guess I was doomed from the beginning to burn in hell forever. I never had a chance.
Right? If there's a god, then we should probably hate him for the things he does and try to stop him instead of worshipping him.
And the crazy thing is that the Bible itself talks about predestination, and Calvinists accept the idea there's no free will and that the people who would go to hell were predestined to do so, which makes the Christian God even more sickening
Be fair. If he knows the future as he knows the past then not only are you without free will but so is God. Maybe he hates how it's all turned out but he can't change it. He couldn't even have come up with a better plan because that was already predetermined.
@@bdf2718 If that were the case then god would not be omnipotent but rather pretty powerless. So not a god, just an observer.
@@bdf2718 that would make an interesting writing prompt now that I think about it
I was watching this thinking, “Christians who believe in a literal hell really haven’t sat down and thought about what that means”. Watching this allows you to kinda meditate on it.
No Christian wants to admit that all their dead relatives are in hell: screaming and begging forgiveness for eating shellfish. For eternity.
u4m funny you say that, I was listening to The Line earlier and the shellfish thing came up in an interesting way I hadn’t heard. Dillahunty basically asked like how much do you have to not respect god to KNOW he doesn’t want you to eat shellfish, but you eat it anyway cuz Jesus made you a new covenant.
The video should be a little longer.
@@eu4um 😂😂😂
Yep
The creepiest part is some Christians believe they’ll get to watch the damned be tortured and they get all excited talking about it
I remember a JW was so excited when she was showing me an illustration of armageddon with people trying to escape explosions and armed soldiers, "look, these sinners, all bad people will be getting this!"
if hell is real I hope those people end up in it, how shitty do you have to be to look forward to watching other people be eternally tortured...
@@DuckInGameStop Don't you realize the irony in your comment ? You're wishing for people to experience hell while complaining about people wishing hell for others...
@@williamshakespeare1573 yeah I guess
Ew.
So Jesus can pay for billions of people's sins with 6 hours on a cross and yet a person can't pay for their own sins with 6 hours of being burned alive? Hmm, ok, how about 12 hours of being burned alive? A year of being burned alive? Alright, surely someone can pay for their own sins through 150 years of being burned alive - more than their actual lifespan? A million years maybe? Perfect justice sure is gratuitous.
iirc the only mention of hell in the actual bible is in Revelations and it only mentions that death and satan will be tortured there. It's not a thing even in the book that is supposed to tell us what is a thing and what isn't.
@@williancruz9657 Luke. Dives. Father Abraham. Fire. Torment. Jebus. It's all there.
@@bdf2718 only in english translations. In the original hebrew/greek texts, "sheol" is used, which is more like the greek elysium than what we think of as hell.
@@williancruz9657 And what Jesus describes is Sheol. Everyone lives there, but the bad guys live on the wrong side of the tracks. Where they're in torment from the fire.
The concept evolved, but it has its basis in Luke, not Revelation.
@@williancruz9657 Jude 1:7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Greek: pyros aiōniou - fire eternal.
My dog didn't like the scream of the damned.
My dog is more moral than god. 🐶>😇
isn't it crazy... completely reversing "god" gives better results.
@@MentosCubing perhaps that's why dogs are not allowed in heaven?
Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Revelation 22:15 NIV
Same with my kitty!
aight new religion
I like how you "correctly" showed a handful of people narrowly making it to heaven while the vast majority are in hell. very biblical, sir.
why did you put correctly in quotes
@@ratewcropolixI think they are referring to the idea that a false model cannot be "correct" in the usual sense of the word.
For example: classical mechanics is false because (for one) it breaks down at the atomic level: however we can still 'correctly' or 'incorrectly' present a classical system according to wether or not it adheres to the theory.
Ultimately this is why I reject (and am deeply saddened by) Christianity. I cannot respect or worship a deity that represents such evil. And what is more evil than eternal torture?
@@ratewcropolix because it’s only correct as claimed by the Bible. I don’t believe it’s actually true or correct
Correctly.... Judged.... Hey, now your the judge as well. Do try to get it right....o... Sorry.😊
Remember, people in Heaven are happy while their friends and family are burning for eternity
For real. How could my mom be happy knowing I'm suffering eternal torture? Is her mind changed so she doesn't acknowledge my position in hell, for the simple sin of unbelief.. Then she is no longer my mother, without the memories of my brother and I she'd be fundamentally changed to the point of being someone else.. Or she would suffer, while in heaven. Simply knowing the imense pain I'd be enduring would be torture for her too. So would she be suffering in heaven or would she no longer be my mom? She be like some sort of robot with induced and imposed fake happiness. Way to go God. Good job
Marly McFly well, the answer is that your mom wouldn’t even remember you. Which is even worse!
I remember hearing something about how everyone in heaven is always happy. So even if you have loved ones who are burning in horiffic agony for eternity while you're in Heaven, you'll be willed to be happy and nothing else. In that sense, depending on what you believe then Heaven IS just as bad as hell. EIther burn forever and keep yourself or don't burn and lose your sense of free will.
Exactly. None of my moms children are “right with god” and she’s said countless times “when I’m in heaven, somehow god will make it so that I don’t know they are suffering In hell”. How can it be heaven with no empathy? How can it be heaven if you literally can’t care about the suffering of others?
"Let there be (at least) one planet with life. Life that will love, worship and obey me. ... But first, how about a few million years of dinosaurs because dinosaurs are fricken' cool. Then we can do the worship and such after that."
God's Mom: Yahweh! Stop mucking around with those stupid reptiles and build your follower base!
God: Ugh, fine mom! *Asteroid*
For a few thousand years only, because humans are so stupid that when they discover fire they use it to burn forests and fossils and disturb the previous and rare environment that allowed their existence in the first place.
Lol!
And the sad part is that THOSE Christians ("Old Earth Creationists") are the somewhat easier ones to reach and a minority. Mostly you'll just get, "What? The earth is only 6000 years old dumb dumb"! lol
This logic is how we got the flat earthers
Dinosaurs never existed, the bones were a decoy placed throughout the world by Satan to throw people off God's path. Dumb dumb.
Welcome back. You haven't lost your touch. As a critique of Christianity, that was one hell of a roasting.
Was that a pun? Excellent one!
NonStampCollector your video quality plummeted
@@NonStampCollector Two. Well, 1.5.
Well done
@@Hraptor Your posting quality ain't so hot.
How could someone be content in Heaven knowing that there are BILLIONS of people suffering in a horrific torture furnace for all eternity?
I'm sure you could think of people like this...say like Ted Bundy.
I wonder what that would say about God?
@@merinsan Even Ted Bundy ended his victims agony after a while. Who's more scary God or Ted?
That’s a question that would haunt me as a Muslim :/ I would rather not exist, then to find out my family is in hell while I celebrate for eternity in heaven.
As a Christian, the topic has baffled my mind ever since I was a kid. Guess I'm still young but it stands as a dilemma that is nevertheless linked to the belief of Heaven and Hell.
I sometimes think of the scenario as if I'm talking with God directly. Perhaps there have been times that I pray to Him and converse honestly.
"Lord, it pains me to know that the majority will lie there... in Hell. You have said that the path to Heaven is narrow and the way to Hell is wide. The people I know, even the ones I don't know... I care for them, and honestly, I try to care for everyone... The unbelievers... Those who even do the worst of crimes that most can attest as evil as well.
However, I know that everyone has been given a choice. There will be those who will not have heard the Gospel or the teachings of Christ. I acknowledge that You will judge justly as you are omnipotent and declare justice at the appointed time. As for those who follow Christ, we do not live by our own righteousness, but rather the righteousness of Christ himself. It isn't to say that we should fall back into this world though and what we have outlined as sin.
I pray that many will turn and be saved from the old way that man has chosen. Through your name, Jesus Christ, amen."
Everyone has a choice. There was, are, and will be those who have heard the Gospel clearly for its core message, the message of Christ. It is the message that he was beaten, ridiculed, and left bleeding on the cross. However, what is sometimes missed here is that he bore the sins of this world. My sins; your sins. Her sins; his sins. Their sins. The guilt, turmoil, and punishment from God was laid on Him. He rose though, beating death and sin. The only thing left is our repentance and acceptance of a gracious forgiveness. That is the choice.
I suspect, however, considering that a majority of comments here take the perspectives of atheists, agnostics, and deists, many will hold feelings of indignance and anger at this message. To them, I'll say that it's also a choice to believe in Heaven and Hell. The belief or lack thereof doesn't prove its existence, but it will influence how you see morality and lead your life. To those who might disagree, I wish you the best and (doubtly concerning this context yet optimistic) hope my message has turned you to Christ or has at least allowed you to acknowledge Him.
(A general overview)
(And perhaps for the many asking for evidence, I look to the scriptures among other things. The ancient prophecies - their probabilities of fulfillment and unlikelihood - were fulfilled. (Some still awaiting fulfillment). You may argue about the content of these as well, but as some say, you see what you want to see (in attempt to be as objective as possible, this applies to both sides). I look to archeology of the ancient past, distinct correlations noted in few places while indicated in the Bible. The occurrence of life on Earth and specifically your and my life is an amazing thing. Although 1 of the significant number of the cosmos, the fact that it's us, here with nature's beauty, is something to be thankful for whatever belief you have. This is said of course, in specific regards to nature. For me at least, the occurrence of such is evidence. Some professionals relay that the sophistication of life is that of significant design. I also turn to the account of personal events and breakthroughs which for many, isn't evidence at all. For me... it is. To consider this for you however, when and if something positively supernatural happens to you, what will you see? For example, if Christ descends from Heaven as a sign for you, would you believe? Or, would it be marked simply as a hallucination of the mind? The core here though: to believe or not - is a choice. You can seek Him though.
And with that, I wish you all peace. Peace be with all!
Nobody is gonna burn forever.. Its only for a time and then they vanish from existence
In our darkest hour HE has returned!
No seriously, it's 1 AM here in Denmark and it's fucking dark outside!
I hope you've got candles!
NonStampCollector can’t you let there be light?
Like 1 here in the uk aswell
this video has plenty of fire for you
Yo the UK is like 1 hour behind yous
As Hitchens would say, “and god watched with folded arms.”
directed by larry weide
*Larry Weide
Hitchens the marxist
@@SL2797 My ass. He was a neocon in later years
He was a left-wing interventionist. The orthodox position initially. Since we are on an accurate channel at least accurately debate his position. To the person disliking him because of Marxism, he could probably critique it better than you could, and that is easy to find. To the person calling him a neocon, interventionism isn't a conservative or right wing position. You can be a left-wing interventionist. It is a bullshit smear from those on his own side who were not interventionists. There are many fair criticisms of Hitchens, but just dismissing him with bad labels - I think you two can do better :)
I think my favorite part of the Bible is when God gives humanity Free Will and then drowns them all for not using it the way he wanted them to.
I have a feeling that many Christians of a certain stripe will see this and think: "Sounds about right."
thats gonna be a yikes from me
still waiting for such comment from any of them
Stefan John I said nothing about comments from them. I was simply pointing out that to a certain type of Christian, this is actually what they believe. They will therefor fail to see the implied criticism in the video.
i agree. after reexamining my comment, i should've worded it differently to show that i'm with your opinion, not against
I'm going to comment 😂. If I build a house on my own land, I have every right to burn it down. It's my house! I don't care how many critters live there. The critters are the ones who damaged the house beyond repair anyway 🤷♀️
God makes a lot of sense if you don't think about it.
I'm proud to be the 69th like
@@notelggiW im the 70th
@@notelggiW sorry but it had to be done
@@user-rq8xx8ir9t 😭
That's like a koan!
If there is a loving god why would he need to be worshiped? Why would he create hell? It’s pure crazy!
@@thecultofcaged Only reason I can think of is that he’s a narcissist, and the only way he can get is fix is by having people CHOSE to follow him and kiss his ass
In the beginning there was nothing, and gods spirit was hovering over an empty MS-Paint file...
Lucifer failed to take over god's throne, now Jeffery is our only hope to take down the evil god.
Darkmatter2525 reference.
how is your hobby of not collecting stamps
also he's back
I think he said on twitter that he hasn't collected over 200!
@@SoulSukkur context hahah
@Stevo Devo he has to carefully select those which he doesn't collect. He's not some amateur who doesn't collect every stamp he sees. It's a very precise craft you plebian.
@Stevo Devo it's not like he can devote his life to it, it's not his job. not collecting stamps is a hobby. life gets in the way. that's why he took a break for so long. that's why he hasn't truly come back. he doesn't have the time or money to set aside for not collecting stamps like he used to. he had a good run, and the future may yet give him renewed motivation, but his stamp collection isn't getting much emptier any time soon.
A "nonstampcollector" is an illustration of a point.
For example: a person can't be said to have a HOBBY of "non-stamp collecting" just as an atheist can't be said to be a religion of not believing in a god, as some apologists claim.. It might have been Dawkins or Hitchens who said it, cant remember which.
Damn that's dark. That God dude is such a monster.
Ironic someone like you has a Benjamin Franklin profile picture.
Wesley Coleman not really
@@chiangkaishrek5123 learn your history
@@chiangkaishrek5123 I don't know what you took from my original comment, but I don't think we disagree. I'm not advocating to tear down statues. I was implying his religious disposition.
Wesley Coleman I don’t get it.
To make it more dramatic, I would have like to have heard the sound of babys screaming in pain. Because god doesn't discriminate.
He certainly kills the shit out of them here on earth
Babies wont suffer hellfire, as God sees them to belong to his kingdom.
Spin it around, and it would say: "We certainly kill all of those babies in the womb brutally without relent, while being ignorant that your taking away their potential.
Spin it around, and it would say: "We certainly kill all of those babies in the womb brutally without relent, while being ignorant that your taking away their potential.
And cats and dogs... Don't forget lambs... God likes those offerings...
I am so glad I got out of religion
My mom literally just walked in and said Jesus is coming back... I’m not going to ruin her night..
Ask her if he can bring some beers.
@@Qermaq only if that beer is fat tire, the rest is crap!
😂
Oh please share this with her and let her go apoplectic.
You'll ruin her night but end her ignorance. It's what's best for her.
People who think burning forever is just clearly haven't sat down and thought about it.
People who think rebellion against a loving creator is ok clearly haven't sat down and thought about it...
@K J No, because she is not a perfect being who knows her childs heart. God is a perfect being that knows all the extrapolated versions of reality and he knows what's best for his children. He created the world with the knowledge we would sin and fall away from him, but their wasn't an alternative way to permit free will. God can judge his children because he is all just. Man doesn't know another's heart and true intentions. It's pretty plain and simple that a child being killed by his mother is wrong. I believe that if a child is killed they go to heaven. If God finds it fit to cut one's life short he is the final authority on the matter.
@@wesleycolemanmusic if he's loving why does he torture them for an eternity? If he's loving why would he create such a place? If he's omniscient then why did he give humans free will if he knew they would rebel?
@@scott5388 He doesn't torture them for eternity. Hell is a place without God. Not a place where God tortures sinners. Being separated from God is punishment enough. Children and those who are innocent don't go there according to my beliefs.
@@scott5388 He gave people free will so they would choose a relationship with him.
I am unfazed by watching people get shot on video after watching stuff like it for more than a few times. But for some reason hearing all those voices screaming in pain and knowing that each represents a person suffering from unimaginable agony from what felt like a very long time, it really got to me. My heart was beating very fast and I became anxious and unsettled. Almost scared. This is a very different concept from his previous work. Everyone please drop a like for this piece of art from Nonstampcollector. It’s the least you can do to show your love
Hey, you know, I had a similar response upon hearing the mix. I'm there dragging and dropping everything into place, over and over and over, then go back to the start and press play to see how it's going, ... and whoa, that's heavy.
The problem with Hell is this: after a while you're either going to go insane and no longer care what is happening to you, or you're going to realize that you can't ever be killed by your torment and get bored by it.
@Jesse Schoedel I disagree with the heaven part. People have said before that living forever would get boring, but I don't think so. Human minds are quite inventive and will always create new experiences and new works of art to distract each other.
I was thinking that too. Like you build tolerances your pain here on earth what makes people think infinite torture wouldn’t lead to an extreme pain tolerance. Unless god is so kind as to reset our tolerances for eternity so each burn is as painful as the first. Ah yes, what a loving creator he would be indeed.
@@QarthCEO But, at least in some denominations' versions of heaven, eternity is spent in the presence of God, endlessly praising him. They make it sound like that's a full-time job (and, according to them, all anyone could ever want), so that vision of heaven doesn't sound as if it would have much (if any) "free time" in which to be creative.
@@rloomis3 Hey now! Worshiping God all the time sounds like being in Church 24/7. Why would anyone want more than that?! Call me an owl, cause that sounds like a hoot!
You wont ever get over the pain and suffering of Hell.
I seriously doubt, that Christians ever really ponder the religion that they ascribe to, thank you Nonstamp for enlightening us, great to see you back.
Some do. At least I did.
When I was a Christian I didn’t think Hell would last forever because God is love. Humans don’t deserve infinite torture for finite wrongdoings.
But then again, the reason Christianity spreads so easily is because it gets people afraid of going to hell so, yeah...
you won't doubt on following orders when you're on a threat of direct gunpoint, won't you? well think now; instead of clean death with headshot, you'd have an eternity ahead of suffering. any time for doubt now?
@@azaryakey1596 fear, guilt-trips, and threats are not the real reason to believe in something; many people throughout history(regardless of their beliefs) have held onto their position until their last breath. Our beliefs/worldviews are an essential part of who we are. A true god of love who not want people scared into believing him. An according the bible, god knows all so the choice is ultimately out of our hands aka free will is am illusion IF the god of the bible exists.
You'd be wrong. A lot of people who grew up Christian eventually deconverted because they realized the contradictions between the bible and reality. I am one such individual.
@@digitalduelist3033 What contradictions?
You're telling me I just get into a channel a couple weeks ago, realise it's dead and then the return of the lord and saviour comes out of nowhere. Jesus is real
I’ve had this EXACT sentiment for such a long time and I’ve never been able to express it adequately, but this video did it fucking brilliantly.
The immorality of hell was enough to have me asking (in my head) as a kid - Why are the adults lying to me about a "good" God?
You shouldn't take everything verbatim in the bible. It uses a lot of metaphors and other types of speech to convey meaning. For example when Jesus says He is the door he isn't saying he is literally a piece of wood with hinges and a handle. What the Bible is trying to convey is that hell is separation from God.
@@MyContext read my above comment as well but, the reason Hell exists is because god is good. He cannot allow unjustness to be in his presence. However God is also all love. That is the reason Jesus Christ was sent to earth to die for our sins so that by faith we can be redeemed in Gods eyes.
@@rushzei
[What the Bible is trying to convey is that hell is separation from God.]
??? So, you reject the idea of omnipresence?
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The idea of eternal torture is not only unjust, but sadistic. There is nothing loving or good about such a notion, but would seem a form and scale of hate that is unmatched by anything that I can imagine.
@@rushzei not at all, sending someone to hell for not believing in him is the complete antithesis of good. You have no room to talk about injustice when your god condoned child sacrifice, genocide, slavery, misogyny. Killed millions in a massive flood. Deliberately hardened the pharaoh s heart just so that he could kill all Egyptian first born children. And even worse, your god knew from the beginning who will choose him and reject him, yet he STILL chose to create beings whom he knew from the beginning of time would reject them just so he can torture them in an eternal frying Pan dimension. So spare me your pathetic “ gawd good” BS. You re not fooling anyone.
When I was a Christian, this was a ruminating thought that never seemed to leave me. I remember being at a amusement park with a couple Christian buddies of mine, and the whole time I couldn't enjoy myself because all I could think about was how almost everyone around me was going to be in eternal torture. I felt so powerless, like there was nothing I could do to "help" everyone and no matter how hard I tried, a statistical 100% of everyone who ever existed and ever will exist would be burned forever. That shit took a while to work through.
That's not true though. The bible says that we are dead in sin. Which is what I believe you're referencing however, the whole point of the Gospel is to teach people that they cannot save themselves. They are saved through Christ who atoned for our sins on the cross.
And the rest of the world that doesn't believe in Christianity's God?
@@rushzei what’s even worse is that your god sacrificed himself to save humanity from himself. And your god knew from the beginning that humanity would sin, yet he still chose to create humanity. That’s the definition of a narcissistic psychopath.🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 you braindead Neanderthal
@@SeveredUniverse they would be sent to hell because all of the signs point to Christianity and denying it is denying being in God's presence
What signs? Last time I checked, numeral events in history regarding scientific developments and discoveries involved the interference of Christianity and religious beliefs. For example, the model of the Universe from the Christain faith was disproved because of Galileo Galilei but he faced persecution for denying the "truth" of the Bible and "blaspheme information like that" would make people angry and hate him for it until later we realized a much closer to the truth model of the Universe and Solar System. Discoveries like that are the reason why you're even here texting to me on a device.@@rushzei
Holy shit Nonstamp is back!
He never left. NonStampCollector is everywhere.
Every psychologist and victim support network on the planet: "Abusers will justify their actions by saying you 'made' them abuse you, that it's your job to placate their ego or face their anger."
Christianity: "You 'made' God torture you horrifically, forever, without end, by not sufficiently placating his ego."
Omg this is hilarious!! I literally was saying to my mom earlier today I’m so glad the US hurricane decreased to a 2, and she was like “prayer really works” and I was like well your god SENT IT IN THE FIRST PLACE! They really don’t think at all.
"Infinite punishment is infinite cruelty, endless injustice, immortal meanness. To worship an eternal prison warden hardens, debases, and pollutes even the vilest soul. While there is one sad or breaking heart in existence, no righteous being can be perfectly happy.
Against the heartlessness of the Christian and Mohammedan [Muslim] religions every grand and tender soul should enter solemn protest. The god who created Hell should be held in loathing, contempt and scorn. A god who threatens eternal pain should be hated, not loved - cursed, not worshiped. A heaven presided over by such a god must be below the lowest hell. I want no part in any heaven in which the saved, ransomed and redeemed will drown with shouts of joy the cries and sobs of Hell - in which happiness will forget misery, where the tears of the lost only increase laughter and double bliss.
The idea of hell was born of ignorance, brutality, fear, cowardice, and revenge. It only testifies that some of our ancestors were the lowest beasts. Only from dens, lairs, and caves, only from mouths filled with cruel fangs, only from hearts of fear and hatred, only from the conscience of hunger and lust for revenge, only from the lowest and most debased could come this cruel, callous and most bestial of all dogmas.
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-Robert Ingersoll (19th century US lawyer, civil war veteran, and political leader)
The colonel had a way with words. Except that whole book about the Star Routes.
Never seen that quote before. Thanks for posting!
The idea was created to control people with fear and promise them reward if they followed them and did as they said.
You dont understand anything. Imagine being as all knowing as God. You don't know what you dont know
I think, God needs EMPATHY. There will always be suffering in the world, as you've said. But I don't see why an atheist therapist should go suffer in hell for eternity, if he's the one helping these "broken" people, heal and change for the better and happier. Even prison themselves were intended to have people separated from society, to avoid further harm, and to have them repent, to think for however long at least?
If such actions are from such emotions deemed evil, a god who doesn't really have a history/childhood of trauma has NO excuses.
Leaning in therapy, what I've found helpful, is not to DEMONIZE people, but to see them as other human beings, capable of emotions, being hurt, and making mistakes. God and religion tend to demonize so instantly...
"I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls."
- Albert Einstein
5:25 pretty sure that's me on the far left.
I thought that was you!
Katherine G you know me too well!
I’m the one in the lava river
If I posted this to my Facebook I feel like all the christians would watch the first two minutes and like it.
And hopefully the last minutes will make them think of how absurd their belief is (I mean concept of heaven and hell)
It's a Strawman of what Hell actually is, so no, I can't see that happening. Maybe you should test it.
@@wesleycolemanmusic okay, so what is hell then? Because the video depicted exactly how it was described to me by priests during sermons
@@bohenian It is simply the absence of God's attributes such as love or goodness. God has let the sinner choose to spend an eternity apart from Him.
Wesley Coleman That just sounds like everyday life
If this God does exist he's the most brutal dictator to have ever lived, with gulags that would make Kim Jong Il and Josef Stalin queasy.
Good to have you back mate.
Yahweh does exist
@@yahwehismyeverything1867 if that's true I still wont worship him because he's an amoral prick. Fuck God. Fuck Allah. Fuck Yahweh. Fuck me.
@@quilavatrainer3348 his name is not Allah, or God, it's only Yahweh.
He's the Living God I seen him face to face why do you reject him??? What did he do to u?
@@yahwehismyeverything1867 If he’s real, he threatened me with eternal torture for not believing in him, something I have no control over short of brainwashing myself which I refuse to do. These myths and legends traumatized me as a child, as I fully believed that because of how I thought I was destined for eternal torment. If I still hadn’t broken from that religious abuse, I’d have already killed myself. Your Yahweh doesn’t exist, and your religion is a poisonous leech on me and so many others. I ripped it out in time. Others do not.
@@yahwehismyeverything1867 No, he actually doesn't.
Wow, that was unexpected. I did enjoy it though, instead of just bashing Christianity you show something that makes you think, which is a great way for people to realise what they believe is kinda unlikely. Overall, different but as good if not better.
I've always wanted someone to make a video depicting the monotony of the glory of heaven. Lo, and behold, NSC to the rescue. Shit gets old, fast. Thank you for this masterpiece.
I'm so happy you're still making these. My wife and I still routinely quote "War after War after War after War after War after war, I'm not going to make any sense as a god of love!"
Yahweh was originally one of 80 Canaanite gods. He was the god of war. He was refashioned into the One God. It shows.
That does it for me, I`m worshipping every God there is. Not taking any chances with that "eternity in hell" thing. Can someone tell me which religions have eternal hell? I suppose I only need to worship those Gods and not go crazy praying to all of them. Please hurry with the info, I hear something is coming soon.
The only ones I can think of are Christianity, Islam, and Zoroastrianism.
Oh, you want to look out for the Mayans. They had a hell too. It's basically a frozen wasteland
Sorry pal, there's no winning there. Christians believe you can not worship any Gods alongside Yahweh. Muslims believe the same thing about Allah.
nihilism
no matter what you do you will still die so enjoy what you can do while you still can
The Vikings had a hell too, but spelt with just one "l"; and it was cold, not hot.
2 videos within 1.5 years? A treat.
I think with all the Hundreds of Millions of galaxies in the universe (maybe even infinite universes) on God's mind why would he even care about the malfunctions of mammals (Humans) on planet earth and being praised by them? why would he even remotely get angry if two men or women have sex and love each other and send them to hell? it all just makes no sense if you critically think about it, if you ask me?
As a practicing and devout Christian (I’m not interested in a debate. Currently having that debate with myself now.) I very much enjoy these videos. They help me to examine and question what I believe. Glad to have you back Nonstamp. Your production quality went up with this one nice job!
Thanks man. All the best.
How's that debate going? Not trying to pry or argue, I'm just curious.
hey dude! who won the debate? or is it still going?
Hi there! Was just curious as to the outcome of your spiritual/intellectual journey. Please update us?
Who’s winning?
The ridiculousness of religion for me stems from the fact that if there's truly a being that is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent, it is more likely to ignore humanity as it has no need for it nor does it needs it's presence to be known and praised by it. Only a mortal would need of such vain things such as praise and recognition.
True words if a God exists he would act a lot like The One Above All the supreme one from Marvel in which he cares for no mortal and just sits back and watches the universe unfold to his desire
Oh and TOAA will not directly send you to eternal torture just because you didn't believe in him
@@cesaralcaraz819 Yeah, a being that does that cannot be called god because what's the difference between that being with that of a child throwing a tantrum just because nobody believed him.
ChaCha Channel true words and he maintains his composure at all times no matter what happens
ChaCha Channel he also wouldn't look like a human his true form would be incomprehensible
Not sure why you would think that people would be left scratching their heads, @NSC... point was made eloquently, without saying a single word. Great video.
So many changes in approach across the years, so many ways to possibly depict this and that, so many choices, so many false-starts.
I stripped back a lot of 'explanation' in favor of just visual representation... I guess I'm comparing the final product to a million different more-explicit and more-explanatory routes.
@@NonStampCollector It worked well. Took a few alternations between heaven and hell before the penny dropped, then I sat in awe.
@@NonStampCollector The K.I.S.S. principle works, and not having to overthink and analyze what someone was "trying" to say removes all the distractions from the main message. I was impressed with it..very well done, I believe. You DO make a difference, and make people think out here. What you do impacts lives and changes people. Thank you for taking the time. I have a 60-70 hour a week job and four kids, myself, so i have some idea of how your life might be.
“8 minutes of Calming, Soothing, and Relaxing LoFi Screams of Hell to Study To.”
Hmmmmmmmm........nope. Don't see a problem with this. Praise Gee-buss.
You can believe what you want, just remember that when you die your conscience will leave your physical body and...
BURN IN HELL
@@wesleycolemanmusic lol. Sure thing sunshine. And you'll burn in the Underworld for not praising Zeus.
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“I'm normally not a praying man, but if you're up there......
please save me, Superman!”
- Homer Simpson
My prediction is that the majority of this kind of christian who view this will go "Yep, better pray harder!"
I'm glad I stayed up till 1am tonight, which I definitely am not doing every night.
1 am where?
ROY Markovik england
Even when I was a Christian the concept of eternal torture was the most barbaric, cruel, and unusual thing I've ever heard. I've prayed on numerous times for God to change his mind like he did several times before in the Bible. When I hear people defend Hell, I'm conflicted because on one hand I understand the desire to be completely obedient to God,
even if you believe his actions are psychotic and on the other hand, I get angry that someone is making an attempt to defend what I believe to be the indefensible.
See, I dont understand the desire to be obedient to even a purely benevolent God. But, I understand the desire to want justice in the universe.
1. God doesn't change his mind.
2. We cannot be sure as to what hell is the most we know is that it represents separation from God.
3. If God is just why would he allow unjust people into his kingdom?
@@rushzei god changes his mind several times in the bible
@@nibistewgamer1742 give an example
@@rushzei Exodus 32:14: "So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people."
Your own book just shredded you.🤡🤡🤡🤡
Well that was depressing as fuck (And really well made, don't get me wrong, you ain't here just to make me happy.)
As a kid in sunday school, weirdly Heaven used to really scare me. It was the fact that it was forever. I was confident I was going to heaven (I'd been baptized 3 times! It's called church-hopping) but what if I didn't like it? I had a very angry father, and I knew someday I'd grow up and move out, so it was OK.
But heaven, especially when I would read about the flood, just sounded like being trapped forever with abusive angry dad. Thank you again for making these in general. I re-watched all your old videos recently when I just was so tired and sad inside and I could laugh for a while.
The noah series in particular. I'm a huge animal lover, an as a kid I'd cry over the animals that drowned in the flood and then get really confused by why everyone on the boat was supposed to be happy (Like in the sunday school artwork). All I could think about was the dogs, cats, squirrels and birds that the bible said had no soul and no sin, but still had to drown because reasons.
Thank you for making these in general. They make me laugh. Except this one. This one just makes me think, and that's not a bad thing.
Glad you stopped believing in all that Bible shit
Somebody should make a 10 hour edit of this 😅
You know those music with titles: "extended version -10hrs" ?? Just STREAM it! It's supposed to be forever!
I think it shoul be streamed non-stop..so people who accept this idea could pop-in from time to time, month after month, year after year just to realize how sick it is.
i hope you're willing to settle for 5 hours, 'cuz that's what we've got
Overly Asian it is acceptable 😜 I’m taking credit for the idea btw, my comment is patented 😂😂😂😂
Drinking Coffee while listening to people screaming in agony
As the view returned to heaven the sight of the golden cities in that light blue sky made me more and more uncomfortable.
Christian justice: infinite punishment for finite crimes.
The Second Non-Coming!
I literally couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the time on this video.
Welcome back!
Gods plan is so beautiful and perfect! 😈
God deciding to condemn humanity to hell because the one he designed didn't work how he wanted it to, is like me smashing every car I see because I couldn't build a go-kart.
Take a guess at how many times I've watched the High Stakes Intelligent Designing video since the last time NSC uploaded.
The answer: 666
Let there be a ball of life-supporting rock which is equivalent to 0.000000000000000000000001% of the universe's total mass, and let the inhabitants worship and obey me. I created all these other galaxies and stuff just for them to know how great I am.
Too little zeros, add more.
If the universe is infinite in size, spend eternity adding zeros.
He’s returned!
The Messiah!
@@jonatha_nbarron He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy!
@@jonatha_nbarron not a messiah, hes logic man
I've been waiting soo long to hear His plan. Thank you @NonStamp Collector for bringing into the light.
For a split second, I had to ask myself, "Who was NonStampCollector, again?"
Don't ever, ever, make me do that again.
You understand!?
Welcome back, good sir.
Now get back to work on the next video,
right,
this,
instance!
Typos really take the urgency out, huh
This video shows how amazingly short-sighted and myopic Christianity is, and it makes perfect sense that it would be so short-sighted as a man-made religion.
I need a ten hour loop of this to sleep to
I think it shoul be streamed non-stop, year after year for christians to watch..
A good touch that hell is much more crowded than heaven
I used to wonder why an all knowing supreme being would create such a vast universe with trillions of galaxies then zero in on an insignificant planet called earth, then take in a small fraction to be with "him" then burn the rest for eternity,yeah what a great god indeed
Amazing, see you in 20 months 👏👏👏
Don't get ahead of yourself.
They got us in the first half, ngl. And there's also that one guy that promoted One Piece in the premiere chat.
Where was Gabriel during all of this? Hehe. Jokes aside, you have always been so accurate in depicting Yahweh’s pettiness. This video is quite different from what you’ve given us, yet it succeeds yet again in conveying that same basic message. You make it so obvious, it’s embarrassing to think many people have fallen for something as dumb as deities, particularly the Jewish-Christian one.
I was having a shitty day. I rarely drink, but had to have a couple glasses of whiskey. I didn’t feel much better. And then, the Lord spoke via Nonstampcollector, and all was right in the universe!
It’s been so long since you last made a video that people started to make prophecies of your return
But what they didn't see coming was... a NON-COMEBACK
@@NonStampCollector Zoolander-y methinks
The people doing the voices for the hell scene are really committed to the act.
I absolutely love this. Why can't people see the utter insanity of the proposition both Christianity AND Islam present us with. (btw so good to see you back. You had such a profound effect on me back in the day.)
There are four living creatures in heaven in Revelation 4v6-11 that have four faces and are covered in eyeballs and all day and night never stop saying over and over: "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come." If we are found obedient and worthy, we may also get to do this important task for all eternity.
Ads make me want to smite my eyes but I'll watch them to support this channel.
Lol. Someone already disliked the video
Track the bastard down!!!
It's the bloody stamp-collectors
Wasn't me. I still like it, even though my comment got cut. xP oh well.
When the world needed him most, he answered the call
it gets to the point where you realize how petty and small any god would have to be to even involve itself with a plan like this.
Amen.
It appears the god of the bible brings some humans into existence, that god will torture them forever,
but it's all LOVING!
how could i ever be happy in heaven knowing my loved ones are burning?
Lolololololol
The epic the myth the legend is here call the three wise men
This brought me to tears. What an abusive disgusting relationship I was in when I believed in the sheep herders legends…
To everyone who currently feel bad about the people roasting in Hell:
Don't worry. You won't feel bad or worry about anything again in Heaven.
This is an argument that the current YOU won't actually be the YOU in Heaven; it will be something else entirely.
Let that existential thought sink in a minute.
Plus, if being dead in Heaven is so much better than living on Earth, why all the waiting around? It's like some sort of, I don't know, naturally selected self-survival mechanism exists.
So being in Heaven is like the death of all empathy in you? Got loved ones suffering an eternity in Hell? Who cares! Pass the angel food cake!....Damn. Literally.
And if God is omniscient, he actually knew ahead of time that all these people would go to hell and yet still chose to create them anyway. Guess he just wanted some entertainment.
You know the coyote is going to fall and the road runner will run away, but it's still entertaining. So yeah, exactly that.
Christian: You need to be saved!!
Me: Saved?
Christian: Yes, or you will be damned to hell for all eternity after you die!
Me: That’s horrible! Who’s going to save me!?
Christian: JESUS! The Son of God! Whom God sacrificed to save the whole world!!
Me: Wait, who’s going to send me there? Sacrificed his SON?!
Christian: Well, God. Reject him, and suffer his mighty wrath!
Me: Hold up! Wait a minute! Something isn’t right here! This God sounds more demonic than divine. Requiring blood sacrifices, and all. I’m glad I have free will to not worship such a tyrant.
Christian: Technically.......
We don’t have free will.. Considering everything is in accordance with his plan. Do with that little nugget what you will, or his will I suppose. Lol
I find it interesting that christians best argument to believe in god is a threat
UnkindGranola Exactly! 👏🏻
LOL Playing hero
He doesn't like red shoes 👠
Brilliant - you should rewrite the bible along those lines - and call it ‘God’s Guide to Genocide “
Thank God that Non Stamp Collector is making videos again 🙏
I've popped it up on Twitter with Charlton Heston saying "The Greatest Story Ever Told!".
Heh heh... The whole of the christian universe from before time until the time when time doesn't matter any more except that there's more of it. Time huh? Who needs it. It's either unending agony praising the monster or unending physical agony with your mates.
Not something I'd want anything to do with!
Good to see you're still making blockbusters NSC.
Welcome back mate!
Cheers! 🍻
All the "quality over quantity" channels NEED to learn from this guy about effective messaging
He's back!!!!
And just like that. Another video coming out of nowhere! Thanks for the suprise!
Christians, if this cosmology is your way of dealing with the unending and unnecessary pain in this world, then what's your way of dealing with the unending and unnecessary pain of this cosmology? Like, THIS is the solution that makes you feel like everything is going to work out in the end?