The Oceans Between - A Kingdom Hearts Video Essay/Space Odyssey
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Music used (in order):
"Wonder of Electron" from Kingdom Hearts Re:coded (2010)
"The Fun Fair" from Kingdom Hearts Dream Drop Distance (2012)
"Shipmeisters' Humoresque" from Kingdom Hearts (2002)
"Precious Stars in the Sky" from Kingdom Hearts (2002)
"Shipmeisters' Shanty" from Kingdom Hearts II (2005)
"Floating in Bliss" from Kingdom Hearts II (2005)
"Cloudchasers" from Kingdom Hearts II (2005)
"Star Explorer" from Kingdom Hearts III (2019)
"Shipmeisters' Shanty" from Kingdom Hearts III (2019)
"The Worlds" from Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep (2010)
"Tricksy Clock" from Kingdom Hearts (2002)
"A Walk in Andante" from Kingdom Hearts (2002)
"Blast Away! -Gummi Ship I-" from Kingdom Hearts (2002) - Ігри
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Hope you enjoy the pseudo change of pace with this one, folks. I actually really enjoyed thinking/writing about this stuff, in spite of it being about parts of the game that I typically play nowadays while scrolling through Twitter.
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I’ve always thought that the dives in DDD were supposed to represent a hypnic jerk: that freefalling feeling you sometimes get right at the edge of sleep
I always thought it was a thematic word pun to go with the story, Sora and Riku “fall” deeper asleep with each world they visit
I thought it was supposed to be like Alice going down the rabbit hole. (In the movie and books I think it was clearly her dream)
I really like this interpretation. 😁
Hey fun fact it is possible to "fall asleep" while staying conscious that you are asleep. I did it once and it felt like I was falling out of the bed over and over. It wasn't a smooth dive like in 3D (literally felt like I rolled off the edge of the bed) but it definitely puts a new perspective to the phrase falling asleep
It's also similar to (though extended) Dives to the Heart, which are connected to the realm of sleep.
I want to explore the oceans between, as long as I don’t have to swim this way to get there
Like Beast had to do lol
‘Swim This Way’ -Atlantica, Chapter 1, KH2.
Slow clap….👏…..👏……..👏………..👏
“Thought we wouldn’t notice, but we did”
Ayyyyyyyyy
What? You don't want to have a lot of finny fun?
Best to wear armor though, you don’t want the nasty darkness seeping into your flesh.......on the other hand then you can travel wherever you want eventually
I never really thought about how much I missed that you didn’t know what world you were flying to in KH1 compared to other games.
6-year-old me lost my mind when I got to Olympus Coliseum for the first time and I was completely baffled when I got swallowed by a freakin’ whale. Funny story: I had no idea what Deep Jungle was before landing and I thought it was a giant pickle.
There was just something so magical about it. Sure, every world is spoiled before release through trailers these days, but they should at least hide the worlds in-game so you don’t know where you’re going at what time.
It's marketing: now they are not as sure as they used to be about their product, so the company proceeds to literally spoil the whole thing in order to prevent people "not knowing what it is about"; it's dumb as it sounds.
That's a good point! It makes that portion feel so much more like exploration vs. just unlocking a door in space.
I remember never even hearing of The Nightmare Before Christmas prior to playing Kingdom Hearts and was just really surprised when I suddenly went to this darker world which changed the characters appearance. It was just so exciting to find it after visiting so many familiar brightly coloured worlds by comparison.
Thats one the great things about warching blind lets plays about KH1.
Watchijg lets plays of the other games the player can usually guess what world and movie it is based on how the world looks on the map most of the time.
The fact that you didn't know which world you were traveling to in KH1 was so fun, it really felt like an adventure. I have no idea why they got rid of that
Yes! Bug fan of the mystery of the whole thing.
If the worlds were once a single a world, I feel like the messiness of 3s space is like a metaphor for the damage the world suffered after the fall to darkness that split the world. Like it's the debris left over and each individual world likely was larger and merged into the other but are now divided by space debris and remnants (dead trees, space coral, ect)
Ooooh I like your take!
I just figured it explained why the “worlds” were dominated by a single franchise as that would mean a complete one would make these things look like continents all together on one planet
@@TheKpa11 that's kinda what I imagine the World to be. The world's that composed the World (capital W) are like countries or continents within one mass that then got fractured. Like pangea or something
@@aricente
I agree with video poster in the fact that "worlds" is not the best way to describe them since they seem to be dimensions.
I think destiny islands is one giant archipelago country and the ocean surrounding it is endless.
Thats why Heartless need the keyhole to enter worlds and the keyblade wielders in BBS seem to use portals instead fly to space.
The worlds are supposed to be seperate (only limited to a few like mickey, keybladers and ancient biengs like genie and neptune) but the stars are the remnants of the only connection the worlds still have.
At least this is all my headcanon/theory they dont really explain it as much as I would like.
@@revolvingworld2676 the worlds once being all one thing is something said one of the games ( it may be a mobile one but they are regrettably canon)
“Fewer people are going to click on.”
I clicked on this as soon as I saw this. I feel like I’m just going to immediately digest anything you post.
thanks, and thanks for also quoting me using the grammatically correct version
"Unless the three of them are flat-earthers, I was fairly certain they need to divert their attention from picking mushrooms and focus on getting engineering degrees." Especially if they were flat-earthers, I would suggest that advice.
I never noticed the Rock-Em-Sock-Em Robots bit in Toy Box. I'll have to track that down.
I completely missed it my first time through the world!
This is really well described. One example I would include to your point of KH1's ability to make you immersed in the movement and convey a presence in the game:
The first time you go to Hollow Bastion, you use the regular gummy from Neverland that logically would take you there directly. But after the rescue, you're blocked off from that route. So Cid, a character who had to escape from that world, of course has a shortcut option available to provide. That's nice worldbuilding and consistency.
But then in the Gummi section, when you take that shortcut warp route, you are very clearly on the outside of the path you took previously from Neveland (passing outside the wall/tunnel). AND it transitions through all 3 Blast Off tunes and color schemes because you're going from Traverse all the way to the other side of the map.
Just another piece of small brilliance from that game, KH1 has so many great little gems.
To add to this, I kinda really like the psudo pirate ship theme going with the gummiships. For instance, in KH1, you run into Hook's ship during a gummi route. In KH2, you fight a haunted ghost ship and you see that same ship in the Oceans between in KH3. It's a nice touch and...well, I dunno, it just gives me something to smile at while I grind for munny/materials.
We need a Treasure Planet world already its perfect for this reason
It was very cool to hear you make the point of each game's gummi feeling representative of the game as a whole because its something I noticed myself. I also like 3's the best because 3D space exploration with freedom is way up my alley.
And good point about the mystery of the worlds, even for those of us who watch trailers it could still be cool to not know which is coming next.
As a bit of a gummi enjoyer I would like them to evolve KH3's system into KH4 or whatever they decide to call it, which I think won't be the next game but the one after. The freedom of KH3 with a better builder (more like KH1's with the quirky parts), some more intense missions (bring a little of 2 in there maybe) or hell have *not* be in missions but rather encounter enemies out in the void and freely shoot them with a lock-on. Same for bosses and "capital ships". It wouldn't be popular probably haha but I did get my name from a space Sim game after all heh, I'd love it.
But yeah there's my long winded comment haha. I'm glad you made this even if it won't have the largest audience because it's a topic so rarely talked about other than "I like 3's because I don't have to do it" 👍
literally zero surprise here that Nova is enlightened
KH3 builder is the best one yet tho.
Textures make for some varied aesthetics.
@@danielcarrilho5217 yEAH, overall, 3 gummi ship is the best one, easily.
Finished the entire video and here's my answer to the question at the end:
No, I don't think the series needs interstellar travel for later entries, but I wouldn't complain if it did come back.
I'm one of the select few who does enjoy Gummi travel in each game.
Am I rushing out to play the next game for the Gummi missions? No.
It's just a nice distraction that helps break up the core gameplay of exploring worlds and bashing in the enemy type of the week.
I agree. I have mostly avoided the gummi missions in my most recent playthroughs, but I'm in the middle of BBS right now and I think that game really does benefit from entirely scrapping the concept. I've yet to play KH3 so we'll see how I feel when I arrive there.
I almost forgot they existed in KH2 because you only need to do them during the first visit to a world; once that's taken care of you never need to engage with them again until the last one near end of the game. My memories of KH2 are ones of epic boss battles and crazy combo-based hack and slash combat, not the ships. In that sense BBS' approach is more in line with what my expectations are.
HOWEVER, BBS benefits by not being the first game in the series. We know there's a "space between" already. Would the BBS approach have worked as well as it did if it were the first in the series?
Totally agree! The space travel works as almost a minigame here and there. But if the series lost it I also wouldn't be heartbroken about it.
I thought DDD's dive segments was a giant callback to Kingdom Heart 1's intro where Sora dove into his own heart. Because he got their through his dreams at the time. (Kairi:Wake up you lazy bum.) Except instead of hearts Sora and Riku dove into the dreams of the worlds' hearts instead. Until the end when Riku has a segment like that to go into Sora' heart and it has the station of awakening, again like KH1. Diving into dreams, ocean between. It still keeps its water motif. Sora falls down water to his station of Awakening in 1. It also reminded me of going down the rabbit hole in Alice in Wonderland which was her dream in the movie but that may be an actual coincidence. So yeah I never had a problem you did with DDD. Its more shown instead of told though.
I think you miss quoted. Replace Wake Up with Sora.
17:45 I had to go back at least three times to make sure I heard that right. That got a big enough laugh that I started coughing like crazy.
a startling but fitting reaction given the joke
I'm feeling called out, Gummi Ships in KHII is my favourite thing of the whole series and I wish there was a whole game on it
I think the Dive stuff in DDD is a call back to the KH 1 and 2 openings with Sora/Roxas falling to the Station of Awakening, which is usually represented as a dream when it appears in game.
The unknown world mystery of KH1 does fit a bit more in KH1, Sora is just starting out, going full steam towards finding his friends, or stopping ansem. By the time of even KH2 he's learned to slow down enough to actually read the navigation charts
Perfectly articulated. You’ve basically said everything I’ve ever been thinking about this aspect of the series. Nice to see that we both agree with Frustrated Jacob that the mystery element of the world map in the first game adds a lot even if it comes off like a nitpick.
I have A ranked every single gummi mission in Kh2 and Kh3. I absolutely love the Gummi ship!
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wow i love this sort of stuff! not a typically explored topic! Thanks so much!!
great vid
allways enjoy your vids about things that arent that often talked about and i really like your takes on em
also nice that your getting sponsors now !!!
Same here! I feel like there's so many niche things in the series that are worth having a discussion about.
@4:57-.-I like how the text still works after the release of the switch versions.
I feel like even if they’re not necessary, they’re a part of the series’ DNA at this point. Even just BBS’s little fly around around kind of helps separate the worlds from each other mentally.
Also, massive bonus points to Kingdom Hearts III for having a handful of remains from previous gummi bosses in the overworld map. I thought that was clever.
Gonna be honest, the hunter x is one of my favorite enemies in kingdom hearts. The build up to a powerful encounter and the fact that you cannot complete the mission without killing it makes it one of the best, if not the best, enemy in the gummi missions. Too bad that doughnut ships exist.
nice job not ranting about doughnut ships.
which game is that
This so perfectly captures my exact thoughts on gummi travel! As long as the segments provide items that help you in core gameplay like KH3, I personally wouldn’t mind seeing them again in future games.
@21:42-.-I personally interpret it as the spaces between worlds where is safer before the heartless started spreading.
Something I realized playing Kingdom Hearts II is that it's implied Sora, Riku and Kairi alongside the Final Fantasy trio found Destiny Islands just off the coast of their island town and that's what initially kickstarted Riku's fascination with other worlds. They essentially did what Sora, Donald and Goofy do throughout the series but on a much, much smaller scale. Riku's fascination with Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden being Kairi's original birthplace also helped give Riku motivation to leave the island to help Kairi remember where she came from.
Ancient video, but I think the reason that KH2’s gummi segments feel more static is because enemies will actually stop at a certain distance from the camera and literally stay static in the camera view, which kinda betrays the fact that the whole gummi setup is a literally on-rail shooter. Sometimes enemies will literally slide in from the side of the camera view and stay still in position to be fired upon.
It’s the spaceship equivalent of watching a stage play, where everything happens at a static distance from you, on a “stage”. And that also makes it kinda feel like anything that has depth, AKA anything that moves closer or further from the camera, almost feels like a false depth, the kind they literally use in theater backdrops to make the illusion of a 3D space.
I don’t believe this happens in KH1, where both enemies and environmental hazards will get closer and closer and eventually pass by the camera. In KH2 you and the camera are the center of the world with stuff happening around you, while in KH1 stuff is indifferent to you and the camera to a certain extent, which makes it feel less artificial. Deep Space doesn’t care if you want more time to shoot the blocks and ships passing by, if you snooze they’ll pass you by (as tends to happen when you are traveling forwards).
I think this also kinda explains why the recurring wheel enemy feels slightly more real in KH2 compared to normal spaceship enemies in that game, because the game is doing a better job of selling the concept of 3D depth, and it does a better job of hiding when the enemy is staying in a static position in the camera view.
Good on you for being able to make an ad entertaining. I watch a lot of youtube, and so few of the people I watch are able to make it interesting when talking about their sponsor. So kudos :)
KH2's might as well have made itself top-down and been an ikaruga clone, that'd be gold
vod!! gummi shipss!! kinda more fun than I originally thought!! We love!
Hey, Pat, I actually just started KH3 yesterday, and I got to the Gummi ship part of the game, and... holy cow. I think I absolutely *love* the way the third game did the Oceans Between. It's just so relaxing just flying around, not constantly having to deal with Heartless ships, if you don't have to
Great video! Thank you for mentioning the color and music progression throughout travel in KH1. Always loved that detail and missed it the first few times. 🙂
Thoroughly enjoyed, awesome video Regular Pat!
Pat I gotta appreciate your humor cause sometimes I'm just watching this while I'm working and then suddenly "Did he just say Kingdom of COVID" (Literal tears) LMAOOOOOO
Enjoyed this one a lot! Another great video, thanks Pat!
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I don’t know why, but I love when this dude makes vids. They’re just so good. Definitely underrated.
super fun to see a video on something that the majority of kh fans don't really talk about much (me included) and what you said about how each game handled it made me realize how similar i feel about them, like kh2 gummi ship segments felt like they were *supposed* to be more fun and exciting but actually felt like more of a chore compared to kh1, despite having more to offer. kh3 made a really good effort to not make the player feel like they were slowed down when flying to other words, and i absolutely prefer the majority of the content in it being optional (and the variety in optional content was really nice). it's never something i enjoy or actively want to do, but i do think gummi ship segments add to the feeling of progressing through each world and that future games would be missing out if they were scrapped. a return to the more darker/heavy feeling of endgame kh1 gummi missions would be amazing though...
I think I still prefer 2’s the best, though I think 3 has objectively the best ones. I always found them to be high octane thrill rides before a world. I think the routes in 1 are definitely the low point of the game, but they’re pretty harmless overall.
gummi ships aren't my favorite thing in the slightest (i'm one of those people who's just a huge sucker for disney and these games are honestly a major escape for me, especially as of lately when i'm trying to not think about my senior thesis haha) but i'm a sucker for a good video essay on kingdom hearts, especially from someone who's quickly becoming one of my favorite content creators. thanks homie
Have you ever considered how often Kingdom Hearts III puts you I a vehicle of some sort outside of Gummi Ships? Not even considering Attraction Flow? On my recent playthrough I noticed that Kingdom Hearts III kind of went deep on letting you ride things and off the top of my head I can remember these:
The game let's you ride Goofy's shield in Olympus, The Caribbean and Arendelle at various points.
The final form of your Olympus Keyblade, which the name evades me of, is a Chariot that you can somewhat control.
The Gigasi in Toy Box ate an obvious one, but also Woody and Buzz's Rocket.
The Kingdom of Heineken is probably the only world I can think of right now that doesn't have anything you outright ride besides Attraction Flow, but I could be forgetting something.
Monstropolis, Arendelle and San Fransokyo all have those grindable rails for extensive portions of their world's. Arendelle also has the aformentioned Frozen Slider minigames, the Snowballs and Marshemellow.
The Caribbean has its own ship mechanic and you get to ride those little Heartless and the Raging Vulture itself for a bit, albeit that's more akin to climbing than actually riding, so if you don't want to count the Vulture itself, that's understandable.
San Fransokyo on top of the rails area also has the giant Shugyo Ball and Baymax himself.
Also can't forget making grindable rails with the Blizzard line of Spells in this game!
And of course, a bunch of the Flantastic Seven have you using various of these mechanics.
There might be more, but I noticed at least these on my most recent playthrough and came to realize that, adding the Gummi Ship segments and Attraction Flow, alongside things like wall running, Flow Motion and air stepping, it seems like Kingdom Hearts III really went all in on making movement interesting, albeit not as conventional as I or II did, and also for whatever reason decided to make Sora be riding things more often than he's walking in every world besides The Kingdom of Bud Light.
When you compared the gummi ship segments from 1 and 2 I thought "but the sections in 2 are so cinematic and cool!... wait a minute" and that perfectly describes my opinion on kh2 I guess
Also KH2's sections in my opinion are kind of relaxing, it's like "neat, I get to blast ships and watch flashy things for 2 minutes" while the sections on KH1 felt a lot more tense and slow even if they are actually shorter
As far as the worlds not being visible in later games
I think at least for KH2's case it does add mystery to not see everything, and once you get into the loop of understanding that
the map will keep expanding and revealing more worlds it adds to the mystery of what's available to discover.
I'mma be honest, I love the gummi segments. Mostly because it's an excuse to play with lego space ships and smash them against other lego space ships. My favorite ship design was a large nobody emblem. It was flat, but had space for all the gear you need without breaking logical design. And all the harsh angles made it look frankly kind of cool.
I also liked the gummi ship stuff in 1 a lot more than in 2.
Going for 100% helped me appreciate 2 more in recent years, but 1's customization stuff and actual gameplay is more interesting to me.
Like 2 looks cool, but it's basically a clusterfuck of visuals as you spam weapons
1, for as clunky as it was, had obstacles to avoid and more deliberate enemies that you'd focus on, rather than spamming everywhere.
You even had those walls you could break to pass through, with different panels giving set rewards for being broken. So even something as simple as shooting a wall gave you a choice to make between "do I want to refill my lasers or do I need that extra HP"
Your essays are always well-edited and thoughtful. They’re fun to listen to even if I don’t agree with every point (mostly bc nostalgia clouds too much I admit)
Another great vid!!
KH Gummi: Fun to build a custom ship to make it to your next destination.
KH2 Gummi: Much more of an arcade feel. Necessary for progression but it had fun options if you wanted to try for those high scores. A lot of fun and scratched my Star Fox itch.
KH3: Much shorter burst of those arcade style stages but now you can actually explore the space between worlds. I actually took time to just enjoy the scenery.
If the next game in the series does give us more space travel I hope it's more of the KH3 style exploration.
I think KH4 should keep the Gummi sections exactly how KH3 is. The only major difference being to keep the worlds unknown until you're approaching them like in KH1.
I watched a stream when KH3 was new when the streamer closed his eyes every time the Gummi map would pop up, because he wanted everything to be a surprise. It was such a delight hearing their surprises as they saw the worlds actually come into view.
Honestly, Kingdom Hearts 4 should have a Gummi Ship segment purely for the scenario of Sora rocking up to the Death Star in a technicolour lego ship.
13:27 There's also Broken Highway for Halloween Town, since the route is filled with ruins, which can be a bit spooky.
my favorite gameplay parts of KH3 honestly are the gummi missions. like don’t get me wrong, the combat is fucking sick and the story hits me hard, but I dunno, something about flying around, exploring space, shooting a fuckton of asteroids for Keyblade materials, and fighting random bosses & enemy waves just makes me really happy
Fantastic video as usual. Nice to hear discussion on gummi stuff in general. They're rarely given any limelight
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I would love to see the KH3 gummi again, but with the enemy encounters being like the KH2 gummi, instead of what seems to be flying in a circle, like imagine if you were flying around that pirates area with the ship gummi boss from 2 chasing you.
Maybe a specific mesh of specific mission encounters like in KH3, and free roaming enemy ships?
Gummi missions have always been interesting for the first time playing in my eyes, but whenever I want to replay a game it's always what I'm dreading the most.
I think what I like particularly about the gummi ship missions in KH2 is the replayability. I was genuinely invested into doing all of the missions over and over trying to improve my score, and there's two things that helped with that. The actual ranking system, including the different mission types and especially the third mission type where S rank was not the upper limit and you could keep going to see how efficient you can be, and the way the routes sort of change depending on how well you do. By that I mean stuff like rare enemies only appearing if you get through the regular waves of enemies fast enough before a segment ends. Having something like that 6 armed miniboss appear in the first route and eventually being able to actually take it down only for a stronger version of it to appear right after, and then eventually taking that down, was really satisfying. This includes stuff like actually being able to destroy the giant pirate ship or the core of the Dreadnought if you were good enough. And of course I have to give a shoutout to the secret boss of the Dreadnought. What a fun surprise although I think it was a bit TOO aggressive.
KH1 basically had NONE of this replayability, at least until they added actual missions in Final Mix, and while it did get me to engage with actually building a better ship (which I never actually did in the original game), it wasn't enough for me to want to do all of them (also some of them were really weird and specific).
Another game that does this well, surprisingly, was Dream Drop Distance where you are ranked on both score and time, and you'd actually unlock a new keyblade if you did well enough on all of them. Although the actual gameplay was far less engaging.
KH3 is a bit different as I wouldn't describe this as "replayability". It was very open and there was a lot to explore and do, so all the fun actually came from discovering new stuff, including constellations, treasure spheres, blueprints, unique parts and the battles themselves. The actual battles were fairly simple and I never felt like playing them more than once other than for grinding for achievements or getting the best rank, which I did more out of obligation that time. Once again shoutouts to the amazing secret boss though.
Great video! Now we wait for the Regular Pat breakdown of the totally consistent and substantial lore on how the Ocean Between and gummi routes actually work
I am certainly one of the weirdos that really enjoys Gummi travel in all the games. I certainly get less excited about it on repeat playthroughs, which is I think it's greatest downside, but I think thematically they overall do a good job at making the world of Kingdom Hearts seem much grander. The fact that the worlds are seemingly insurmountable distances between each other, with dangerous heartless between them, makes that whole "the world has been fractured" aesthetic really work.
I particularly enjoy the process of building a ship in all of the games, in part because it helps with that feeling of growth. Slowly assembling a ship that lets you blast through roadblocks on your way to wherever you want to go feels good, and it is one of the few ways that Kingdom Hearts really lets you customize something however you feel like.
My big complaint is that, ever since KH2 and the introduction of the Dark Corridors, gummi travel has seemed like Sora (or the protagonist of that specific game) is the only one that has to move between worlds the slow way. At least in KH1, we had Captain Hook's pirate ship that the villains used to move around. In this way, it does feel like the gummi ship is a holdover from an earlier game rather than an integrated part of the worldbuilding, which I think is a major problem that I'd like to see smoothed over.
Apparently I’m an outlier in that I really enjoy the Gummi Ship segments. I haven’t played 3 yet, but working my way through 1 and 2 I had a lot of fun with the Gummi Ships and I would be genuinely really sad to see them gone from the series
I distinctly remember the feeling of playing KH1 when it first came out (pre-YT and pre-osocial-media for spoilers/reviews), and one of the most exciting aspects was finding out which world I just unlocked, like you said (and this is coming from someone who hates the Gummi segments).
The 3rd mission in KH2 is the best version in two. You having to turn the gummi ship around makes things more dire and fun
I find it so interesting that every time we get a Gummi Ship in Kingdom Hearts, Square has made it a completely different genre of gameplay each time. (And I honestly did think the best part of Kingdom Hearts 3 was the space travel even though I hated it in all other titles.)
Great video :) !
I have a soft spot for KH1 Gummi ship travel, yes its very basic and a slog if you have to back track and it basically get's deleted from existence when you get the teleport ability.
Just going to the next world was exciting because you didn't know what was next, and when you get into the later worlds the background shifts it's color suddenly, you knew shit was about to be new and possibly real. Also I for some reason love blowing up the enemy gummi ships and you have a chance of getting their blue prints don't know why that's worth bringing up but I did.
Hot, maybe unpopular take: The gummi missions were a little annoying in one before the warp, but the ones in two were too much too fast and kind of anxiety-inducing. It made me appreciate how laid back the ones in 1 were
KH3's gummi sections really did miss the opportunity to bring back the hidden world till you visit once. It would've been super perfect considering how vast the space is in that game, surprising the character by going to the wrong world first sounds absolutely hilarious too since it's so open
Uh oh! Survivor has finally found it’s way onto the main channel. There’s no telling what happens from here…
I remember suggesting a gummi video like a year and a half ago. Glad to finally see it and hey it was also enjoyable as a bonus so ya know, that's pretty neat.
Let’s just hope that, in the dimension that Riku and Sora are now in, everything is within walking distance
After KH3, my answer is yes I want this to continue in future titles. I spent SOOOOO much time in the Gummi ship sections in KH3. I loved it. I fully explored the space sections before clearing the worlds attached to them.
And yes I made sure to fight and beat the Gummi Ship's super boss before I entered the Keyblade Graveyard. The old man can have his war, but I wanted to finish playing with my lego spaceship first! lol
The return of gummi ships actually was one of the things I was looking forward to in KH3. I sometimes go out of my way to fly the gummi ship even when I have nothing to gain from it. Any time I pop in KH2 just to run around and hit things for fun I always include a gummi ship run or two. I guess I'm just weird like that. Also, I wish there was some context to Assault of the Dreadnaught. I guess we're just supposed to ignore the fact that the Organization apparently has the resources to blockade an entire planet.
One thing about the sense of movement is that in KH1 when you move in a direction the ship actually changes pitch and yaw accordingly, whereas in KH2 you just sort of slide around an imaginary plane with roll as your only axis of rotation. It makes it feel sort of two-dimensional. And because there's no boost, you can't affect your forward momentum at all. I think that's what makes it feel like you're not really moving towards your destination in KH2's routes. It does make it feel more like a scrolling background than an actual environment.
I feel almost the same way about KH3's gummi ship as you do about BBS's lack thereof. It's doing something radically different, so I can't really judge it by the same standard. I do like it, for what it's worth, but I missed the rail shooter, and the generic heartless encounters were really boring to me. I also found it odd that the three areas were completely disconnected. I'd love to see a combination of the two where you explore freely like in KH3 but instead of going to each world directly you go to a KH2 style route that leads to the world. And maybe something like a KH1 style wormhole portal thing that leads into the next area instead of just picking it from the menu. Something to make it feel more connected.
Reconnect.
GUMMI SHIP ROUTES
I never thought about the detail of kh1 not revealing the worlds on the map, but once you mentioned it I was like YOOOO! I remember that anticipation of wondering what was next when I experienced the game (through my sister playing, I was 7) for the first time, what a shame they don’t do that again haha
I'm not going to argue that I always thought the Gummi Ship segments were the best parts of KH2. However, my more recent playthrough have seen me sinking more and more time into them, trying to build the coolest ship and rack up high scores. It's addicting, especially for someone like me who actually enjoys rail shooters.
KH2s gummi missions aren't very seamless or thematically correct, but damn if it isn't fun to play. Its like a Disney themed Star Fox
Now that characters, including Sora, have shown that they can just open portals of light to new worlds, I'd be okay with not seeing the Gummi ship again
TO answer your last question, I think it depends on what the next game is trying to go for. Like, we just don't know what the next "phase" is going to be like.
I never noticed the gummi routes in KH1 were different depending on wether you traveled from A to B or back from B to A, since I always used warp. There are so many little things in this game I never noticed as a kid.
pew pew gummi yummi regularshipmeister!!
Your comparisons between Gummi Ship approaches in KH1 and KH2 remind me of the comparisons between bumper cars and a rollercoaster. Bumper cars are way less flashy than rollercoasters but you get to steer and moves wherever you want whereas the rollercoaster has a set path and pre-planned things to engage with. You made a really good assessment when bringing up this point. KH3 is still my favorite Gummi Ship for this reason.
Props for exclusively using gummi ship music,but big no no for using laughter and merriment at the end
excuse me,,,,, that is a walk in andante
I can understand showing the actual worlds instead of question marks in cases where the player can choose between two worlds. It makes the choice a bit more informed, so it feels more meaningful than just "do I wanna go to the hard question mark or the easy question mark?" That said, I think I do also prefer the sense of mystery and surprise, even if it's only during the first playthrough.
Also, please play Star Fox 64 / Panzer Dragoon Zwei.
To answer your question, I feel future games need to build a small bit of story into Gummi ship routes. Something small like chasing down a notable enemy to the next world. Currently it's just a bunch of miscellaneous heartless or nobodies floating in space for... Some reason?
It wouldn't have to be a major plot point, of course (I personally didn't enjoy the Carribbean ship sections with Luxord), but just a touch more cohesion with the overall plot would be nice.
You get an A+ on this essay 💯
As a kid, I always assumed the gummi route before Pride Lands was inside of a lion's nose. Don't ask why I thought that, it just made sense to me seeing all the mucous colored walls.
i actually really did like the kh3 gummi ship segment, and a lot of the time on my first playthrough id just run around doing whatever just cause i thought it was all fun, now after a couple playthroughs not so much, but still, the movement, the speed, even the combat is great
The space travel in 3 was really nice
I'm the resident freak that used to spend hours in the gummi garage when I played kh1 bc I wanted to make a sick transforming ship that would start as a dove and turn into a dragon. And then in kh2 I found the mini ships and subsequently made a mini for every organization member. I have perfected the art of making unreasonably cool battleships with limited polygons.
It's a video essay?!
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I wouldn’t be sad if I never had to play another gummi ship section again, just as you said. However I think back to the scene in KH1 where Donald says the ship runs on smiles and I’m like “ugh fine let’s fly the ship dammit that’s so cute”
DDD is the perfect blueprint for how I think the side games should handle this going forth-thematic spaces for travel when there’s even sort of plot/mood justification for it. Forego them if it makes no plot sense (0.2) or no mood reasons (MoM).
As for Gummi, saving it for numbered titles, and letting it shine. I wouldn’t want a repeat of 3 but pretty dang close.
14:31 I had to do a double take to make sure you mentioned the missions ^^
You’re more likely to have done all the missions on the PS3 because the blueprint trophy required *all* the blueprints. People must have complained up a storm because that trophy was changed on the PS4 to only need *30* blueprints, which means you can get the trophy without doing *any missions at all.* This drastically reduces the difficulty of the platinum 🏆
I was always spoiled by worlds in KH1 thanks to a strategy guide. That being said, the gummy ship sections in 1 feel more tangible to me and I like the world interaction as opposed to the on-rails shooting of 2. I'm not really a space shooter person so I'm not really fond of them in general but I like 1 more as it feels more 'right'.
We have pretty much the same points. In particular, I love fooling around in the editor in KHI and collecting all the Blueprints feels immensely satisfying. With KHII, I just did everything I had to do to get through and nothing more. KHIII definitely was a lot of fun to go into but I definitely don't have as fond memories of messing around in the editor.
I do want to see more Gummi ships though just because I love the thought that the worlds are divided like that. They also provide a good break and build up anticipation.
I like the KH3 gummi section as it is. Maybe the next one will give you the ability to explore the interior of the ship like in Mass Effect or Rogue Galaxy
i like to think the events of KH only happened because sora is the only person in the universe who cant open up magic portals at will
My stance on Gummi Ships: just don't half-ass it, go big or go home.
I can't wait to play the KH3 Gummi portions, it looks so cool!
I always thought Hoverboarding and Hoverbiking in Ratchet and Clank 1 and 2 were pretty fun vehicle sections I actually wanted to play.
KH1 Gummi Ship: very boring until you reach the end.
KH2 Gummi Ship: Very fun, until you get to the harder missions.
KH3: OMG, THIS IS FUCKING DOPE!
I never minded the Gummi ship missions. In fact, I actually enjoyed them for the most part. However, I think if the Gummi ship were to be retired, after KH3 would be a good time to do it. Gummi travel was introduced in KH1, and KH3, the finale to the first story arc, got it about as good as it could get, in my opinion. So, if the team wanted to, now would be a good time to move on. However, since the Gummi ship is Sora, Donald, and Goofy's primary way of traveling from world to world, I don't know if we will ever see it go away for good.