An BBC article of 2 years ago, Five-time Tour de France winner Miguel Indurain famously had a resting pulse of just 29 bpm, less than half that the average man, with a heart that could pump 50 litres of blood a minute (double that of the average amateur cyclist). Froome is equally unusual. He has a maximum heart-rate of just 165 bpm - far lower than most inactive men, let alone the 200 bpm of many elite cyclists. www.bbc.com/sport/0/cycling/24951818
Palmboom313 Indurain had a resting heartbeat of 29bpm. In 2012 he was tested at a physiology lab to document performance loss due to age and training. His MAX HR was 191 (at 46!). www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22868823 Froome is no Indurain and in no way are they comparable. Sky could easily confirm the 165bpm max hr by releasing his data. They won't.
Wander Almeida That is some funny data. It shows that Froome producing 5.78/kg and Gesink had already released his data showing 5.9w/kg. So how does Froome put 1.5 minutes into Gesink who is producing more watts/kg? Yates was at 5.84 w/kg. If Froome's data is correct, then he shouldn't have been 3rd at best. Apparently, Froome is able to climb faster because he produces less power?
Wander Almeida Gesink even posts his power data on strava. www.strava.com/pros/1216273 But a good summary is here. cyclingtips.com.au/2015/07/debate-after-sky-releases-froomes-data-tucker-argues-numbers-dont-add-up/
I guarantee you that 99% of people commenting here not only can not read power data, they also dont even own a power meter. Based on this video I know 2 people that could have held froome's wheel for kilometers. Im not saying froome is clean, I'm saying this is really not that spectacular. Now if we got to look at Marcel Kittle's power data or Tony Martin's then that would be spectacular.
Lol. You've got to look at the context of how they race. It's a Grand Tour and they race over three weeks and do multiple mountain stages. This at the end of a long stage. Sure I know lots of people that could his wheel for a number of KMs, but they would have to be fresh and couldn't do it numerous times in the one day. That's what makes top level pros spectacular.
So this is the 2nd video and the same pattern emerges. Multiple attacks with power increase of over 300 watts (to over 700 watts) with little change in heart rate. A few BPM. His HR should be near his max (190 or so) on these efforts.
Ash Wolters Actually, I was wrong, his max heart rate is 170 bpm. He said that in an interview recently. Here's the article: www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/15/chris-froome-team-sky-video-tour-de-france
+K1nsal Also this: Froome’s VO2 max - the maximum volume of oxygen that an athlete can use, measured in millilitres per kilogramme of body weight per minute (ml/kg/min) - was recorded as 84.6. At his Tour-winning weight it would correlate to 88.2, according to Esquire. The general population has a VO2 max of 35 to 40, with highly trained individuals in the 50s and 60s. :)
If my power meter flobbed data around like that, I'd send it back in for service. I didn't think that SRM stood for Surely Random Metrics. It'd also be nice if the reported cadence actually matched that which Froome was pedaling. Even McD's burgers are not as fake as the data shown in this video.
whom ever beleives that the 10 riders in that select group could hold like 430 watts on bread and water their just dreamers. 150hr like wtf. that is impressive. mutant
Il a développé la même puissance que Froome (plus ou moins). Donc si des accusations de dopage ont été lancées sur Froome, alors que pensez de Contador. Cela fait plusieurs années que je fais du vélo (avec cardio notamment) et je peux t'assurer que l'effort est sensiblement le même suivant la position (assis ou danseuse). De plus, le fait d'être en danseuse est plus contraignant pour le corps, d'ailleurs le rythme cardiaque est plus haut (dans mon cas c'est 5 ou 10 pulsations en plus). D'ailleurs Contador le dit lui-même dans une interview : il se sent juste plus à l'aise en danseuse ; ceci ne signifie pas nécessairement que c'est plus facile. Ce n'est pas un argument. J'aime beaucoup le style de Contador, mais parfois il faut ouvrir les yeux devant l'évidence...
Thomas Jacquet De toute facon cette vidéo montre juste la puissance en watt développer par Froome, elle ne l'accuse pas de dopage. Mais je comprends tout à fait ce que tu veux dire, en effet Contador et très dominant, il semble vraiment vraiment très fort, c'est étrange. C'est comme ça, on ne saura jamais, ou alors pas avant plusieurs année, personnellement je suis déjà content du spectacle qu'il y a eu (C'est plus dur d'avoir du grand spectacle ces dernier temps, la vuelta est une valeur sur heuresement) et même si un jour ces coureurs sont déchu de leurs performences, je me souviendrais tout de même que j'ai eu beaucoup de plaisir à regarder la course.
Oui, tout à fait. Je prends aussi beaucoup de plaisir à regarder le vélo ; pour les paysages, les coureurs, la course, ... Mais je ne peux pas négliger le manque d'éthique, pour tous ces coureurs qui trichent (trouvant cela normal). En dernière analyse, il faut se demander quel genre de cyclisme nous voulons pour le futur ? Je pense à tous les jeunes (dont je fais partie) qui ne pourront jamais prétendre devenir professionnel tant les chiffres (en watts) sont impressionnants dans le ce milieu. Ou tous ces coureurs honnêtes, qui aiment le vélo, ne pouvant jamais parvenir à gagner une étape, même en costaux.
+PlaymanFly No one points out that Contador's final attack was 500+ watts and Froome held 400watts for the final after Contadors attack. The question should be what is Contador on?
+PlaymanFly pelotonmagazine.com/feedzone/froome-releases-physiological-data/ "Froome then agreed to undergo independent testing, which took place at GlaxoSmithKline’s human performance laboratory in London in August. Froome’s VO2 max - the maximum volume of oxygen that an athlete can use, measured in millilitres per kilogramme of body weight per minute (ml/kg/min) - was recorded as 84.6.At his Tour-winning weight it would correlate to 88.2, according to Esquire. The general population has a VO2 max of 35 to 40, with highly trained individuals in the 50s and 60s.A few athletes have been measured in the 90s, including three-time Tour winner Greg LeMond. Phillip Bell, a senior sports scientist at GSK, told Esquire: 'Froome’s values are close to what we believe are the upper limits for VO2 peak in humans.'"
To the comments about low heart rate, the reason for the modest HR is that they are riding at altitude and dosing their wattage output. Their effort probably feels to them like max HR 190. And all this after riding 160 Km or so.
juggernaut316 It's in kph. Tour guys are good...but not good enough for this to be in mph. A tour rider would struggle to ride 20mph on a 4% grade, let alone 6-8%.
A ce moment il y avait encore la Ventoline, le salbutamol, car depuis dans le giro il ne reste que la norme, froome quoi, mais plus superman !!! Etonnant tous ces sportifs qui disparaissent des écrans des qu'il y a à peine soubçons.et ils sont nombreux cherchez bien !!!! par contre pas de français, plus de français car au regard de leur perfs on voit bien qu'il n' y a pas de booster
As a powermeter user i can say the fallowing: Nothing special here. A well trained semi-pro racer is able to push 400 Watts for 30 minutes easy. These guys are the global top athletes.
Jack Nasenbär that's very true. But when they do it in the third week of a grand tour that makes is dodgy. AND doing 400W at such a low heartrate, tells me that he has got a mental haemoglobin or a motor
400W after 5H pf racing and after 2/3 weeks, is not natural sorry. Another thing: it's not the watts that matter that much, it's the W/KG.. no semi pro that is not world class can put out 6.5W/KG after 5H of racing, on the 3rd week of a stage race. If he could he would win the tour... I could also say that no one could without assistence since 12 years old with testosterone or growth hormone. Just don't tell me it's natural cause it's not.
+velosapien This is ALL about it: Froome’s VO2 max - the maximum volume of oxygen that an athlete can use, measured in millilitres per kilogramme of body weight per minute (ml/kg/min) - was recorded as 84.6. At his Tour-winning weight it would correlate to 88.2, according to Esquire. The general population has a VO2 max of 35 to 40, with highly trained individuals in the 50s and 60s.
+Wander Almeida +electrocomm 84 ml of VO2max is same values as Armstrong BEFORE his doping era. With these values he would have been nobody in 2000s pro peloton but he managed to match climbing speed and insane attacks... This guy is a cheat as all UK athletes transformed by GSK lab for 12 Olympics.
+Simon Rano Oh, really you´re sure? Maybe you can prove that...? Please don´t tell bullshit about Froome. Contador, Valverde etc...there are a long list of dopers, Froome is not among them.
Wander Almeida Just look at the whole picture : Cookson and Coe are brits, they claimed to save cycling and track and field from doping. UK athletes dominates on one hand and russian and kenyans have been caught for doping on the other. The SKY communication is word for word the US Postal one. This is just war with a new form. Contador certainly doped but I'm convinced his clenbuterol test ban was a mistake. This guy have been trained by Riis and Bruyneel, he fought whit Rassmussen and Armstrong. He could have used such a bad doping method as clenbuterol. Explanations are alwas the same for sudden success : 'we looked at all details, marginal gaines, better training, dropped a few kilos, stopped drinking beer..." How a country can won almost all rainbow jerseys and olympics golds over 5 years just with a track program and a couple freestyle montain bikers ? Look at all team that put teamates on TdF podium. Schleck Bros didn't do anything since Franck positive, Astana's : armstrong and contador. US postal with LA + hamilton and Landis, best dopers. Now look at Sky with Wiggins/Froome and Porte/Thomas juste a couple rank behind....
+Vincent Maresca usted es el unico que ha señalado a quintana en millones de seguidores...esa es su verdad .que vergonsoso su comentario.acepte la realidad.informese mejor ,lea.
820watt and not higher then 156 hr.... OMG .... woot can he do @ over 200 hr.... nice vitamine .... he was 25-35% better then Armstrong,Pantani and Ulrich.... sure
Got Contador's for reference? seeming he won the stage?
An BBC article of 2 years ago,
Five-time Tour de France winner Miguel Indurain famously had a resting pulse of just 29 bpm, less than half that the average man, with a heart that could pump 50 litres of blood a minute (double that of the average amateur cyclist). Froome is equally unusual. He has a maximum heart-rate of just 165 bpm - far lower than most inactive men, let alone the 200 bpm of many elite cyclists.
www.bbc.com/sport/0/cycling/24951818
Palmboom313 Indurain had a resting heartbeat of 29bpm. In 2012 he was tested at a physiology lab to document performance loss due to age and training. His MAX HR was 191 (at 46!).
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22868823
Froome is no Indurain and in no way are they comparable. Sky could easily confirm the 165bpm max hr by releasing his data. They won't.
parmijo road.cc/content/news/158231-sky-release-chris-froomes-data-bid-prove-hes-clean
Wander Almeida That is some funny data. It shows that Froome producing 5.78/kg and Gesink had already released his data showing 5.9w/kg. So how does Froome put 1.5 minutes into Gesink who is producing more watts/kg? Yates was at 5.84 w/kg. If Froome's data is correct, then he shouldn't have been 3rd at best. Apparently, Froome is able to climb faster because he produces less power?
parmijo Can you send the link about Gesink released data?
Wander Almeida Gesink even posts his power data on strava.
www.strava.com/pros/1216273
But a good summary is here.
cyclingtips.com.au/2015/07/debate-after-sky-releases-froomes-data-tucker-argues-numbers-dont-add-up/
I guarantee you that 99% of people commenting here not only can not read power data, they also dont even own a power meter. Based on this video I know 2 people that could have held froome's wheel for kilometers. Im not saying froome is clean, I'm saying this is really not that spectacular. Now if we got to look at Marcel Kittle's power data or Tony Martin's then that would be spectacular.
JM AF I really hope so...I do. I personally would give up on cycling forever if he turns out to be doping too
It seems to me that Sky and Froome will be playing within the rules but finding every inch of loophole. Not sure I like that.
Tony Martin and Cancellara power data on a 40k TT I'd love to see. Impressive no doubt.
Lol. You've got to look at the context of how they race. It's a Grand Tour and they race over three weeks and do multiple mountain stages. This at the end of a long stage. Sure I know lots of people that could his wheel for a number of KMs, but they would have to be fresh and couldn't do it numerous times in the one day. That's what makes top level pros spectacular.
mmm last 200 km ?
So this is the 2nd video and the same pattern emerges. Multiple attacks with power increase of over 300 watts (to over 700 watts) with little change in heart rate. A few BPM. His HR should be near his max (190 or so) on these efforts.
parmijo His max heart rate is only 165 bpm.
Jade Cleveland @ 5 min. mark power goes to over 800 watts at 156 bpm. Basically hard training ride HR.
Jade Cleveland There is no way a professional 30 year old athlete would have a max HR of 165bpm.
Ash Wolters Actually, I was wrong, his max heart rate is 170 bpm. He said that in an interview recently. Here's the article: www.theguardian.com/sport/2015/jul/15/chris-froome-team-sky-video-tour-de-france
Ash Wolters parmijo No, as Chris Froome and one of his old coaches has stated, he has an unusually low heart rate. His max is about 170 bpm
wow. where did he take all these data from? :)
The possibility that he and others are 'all natural" is possible but the probability of that is very low, all things considered.
Other than a low hr power is right in the 5.5 watts per kilo ftp thats the bare min to be a pro rider
+K1nsal Also this: Froome’s VO2 max - the maximum volume of oxygen that an athlete can use, measured in millilitres per kilogramme of body weight per minute (ml/kg/min) - was recorded as 84.6.
At his Tour-winning weight it would correlate to 88.2, according to Esquire. The general population has a VO2 max of 35 to 40, with highly trained individuals in the 50s and 60s. :)
+electrocomm
But look on his previous career, he was not soo good rider.
+Omikron He was considered great talent though, even in his Barloworld times. I remember commentators mentioning him then.
If my power meter flobbed data around like that, I'd send it back in for service. I didn't think that SRM stood for Surely Random Metrics. It'd also be nice if the reported cadence actually matched that which Froome was pedaling.
Even McD's burgers are not as fake as the data shown in this video.
No es el puerto de san lorenzo, es el puerto de la farrapona
Alberto 700vat during attack:)?
How did they got the heart rate, cadence of Froome, are they connected to frome compuer ^? ???
+curvenut Yes, that's how it happened.
+Derek Larson I thought power data is considered "confidential". I am surprised Team Sky share that data !!
+curvenut They didn't share the data voluntarily: www.bicycling.com/racing/2015-tour-de-france/chris-froome-s-crazy-data-hack-scandal
whom ever beleives that the 10 riders in that select group could hold like 430 watts on bread and water their just dreamers. 150hr like wtf. that is impressive. mutant
duelale a quien le duela, Froome campeon del tour
Et que penser de Contador ?
Il a développé la même puissance que Froome (plus ou moins). Donc si des accusations de dopage ont été lancées sur Froome, alors que pensez de Contador. Cela fait plusieurs années que je fais du vélo (avec cardio notamment) et je peux t'assurer que l'effort est sensiblement le même suivant la position (assis ou danseuse). De plus, le fait d'être en danseuse est plus contraignant pour le corps, d'ailleurs le rythme cardiaque est plus haut (dans mon cas c'est 5 ou 10 pulsations en plus). D'ailleurs Contador le dit lui-même dans une interview : il se sent juste plus à l'aise en danseuse ; ceci ne signifie pas nécessairement que c'est plus facile. Ce n'est pas un argument. J'aime beaucoup le style de Contador, mais parfois il faut ouvrir les yeux devant l'évidence...
Velo dopé
Thomas Jacquet De toute facon cette vidéo montre juste la puissance en watt développer par Froome, elle ne l'accuse pas de dopage. Mais je comprends tout à fait ce que tu veux dire, en effet Contador et très dominant, il semble vraiment vraiment très fort, c'est étrange. C'est comme ça, on ne saura jamais, ou alors pas avant plusieurs année, personnellement je suis déjà content du spectacle qu'il y a eu (C'est plus dur d'avoir du grand spectacle ces dernier temps, la vuelta est une valeur sur heuresement) et même si un jour ces coureurs sont déchu de leurs performences, je me souviendrais tout de même que j'ai eu beaucoup de plaisir à regarder la course.
Oui, tout à fait. Je prends aussi beaucoup de plaisir à regarder le vélo ; pour les paysages, les coureurs, la course, ... Mais je ne peux pas négliger le manque d'éthique, pour tous ces coureurs qui trichent (trouvant cela normal). En dernière analyse, il faut se demander quel genre de cyclisme nous voulons pour le futur ? Je pense à tous les jeunes (dont je fais partie) qui ne pourront jamais prétendre devenir professionnel tant les chiffres (en watts) sont impressionnants dans le ce milieu. Ou tous ces coureurs honnêtes, qui aiment le vélo, ne pouvant jamais parvenir à gagner une étape, même en costaux.
158 puls/min - 700 watts ? What ???
PlaymanFly Well people have different hearts, 158 for Froome can be 197 for someone else.
weighing absolutely nothing also helps
+PlaymanFly No one points out that Contador's final attack was 500+ watts and Froome held 400watts for the final after Contadors attack. The question should be what is Contador on?
+PlantPedaler finally! thank you... people cant accept a winner in cyling without assumption of cheating
+PlaymanFly pelotonmagazine.com/feedzone/froome-releases-physiological-data/
"Froome then agreed to undergo independent testing, which took place at GlaxoSmithKline’s human performance laboratory in London in August. Froome’s VO2 max - the maximum volume of oxygen that an athlete can use, measured in millilitres per kilogramme of body weight per minute (ml/kg/min) - was recorded as 84.6.At his Tour-winning weight it would correlate to 88.2, according to Esquire. The general population has a VO2 max of 35 to 40, with highly trained individuals in the 50s and 60s.A few athletes have been measured in the 90s, including three-time Tour winner Greg LeMond. Phillip Bell, a senior sports scientist at GSK, told Esquire: 'Froome’s values are close to what we believe are the upper limits for VO2 peak in humans.'"
is the speed in Km/h?
akkasoothy yes
Contador bouncing on them pedals🔥
So much nosense in comment section. Get your facts Right before you say someone is doping
To the comments about low heart rate, the reason for the modest HR is that they are riding at altitude and dosing their wattage output. Their effort probably feels to them like max HR 190. And all this after riding 160 Km or so.
Nunca paso los 160 latidos por minuto!! Pone a pensar..
Is the speed in mph or kph?
juggernaut316 It's in kph.
Tour guys are good...but not good enough for this to be in mph. A tour rider would struggle to ride 20mph on a 4% grade, let alone 6-8%.
100% legit LOL
no watts p kg on this which would really help
Don't you know how to divide?
He isjust another doper! As the whole field and cycling sport!
No, shut the fuck up.
Isn't the heart rate too low?
A few years ago I think I could reach 200. I don't know I don't usually wear pulsometer.
Oh thanks.
A ce moment il y avait encore la Ventoline, le salbutamol, car depuis dans le giro il ne reste que la norme, froome quoi, mais plus superman !!! Etonnant tous ces sportifs qui disparaissent des écrans des qu'il y a à peine soubçons.et ils sont nombreux cherchez bien !!!! par contre pas de français, plus de français car au regard de leur perfs on voit bien qu'il n' y a pas de booster
As a powermeter user i can say the fallowing: Nothing special here. A well trained semi-pro racer is able to push 400 Watts for 30 minutes easy. These guys are the global top athletes.
Jack Nasenbär that's very true. But when they do it in the third week of a grand tour that makes is dodgy. AND doing 400W at such a low heartrate, tells me that he has got a mental haemoglobin or a motor
400W after 5H pf racing and after 2/3 weeks, is not natural sorry. Another thing: it's not the watts that matter that much, it's the W/KG.. no semi pro that is not world class can put out 6.5W/KG after 5H of racing, on the 3rd week of a stage race. If he could he would win the tour... I could also say that no one could without assistence since 12 years old with testosterone or growth hormone. Just don't tell me it's natural cause it's not.
Smokey Dense
His heart rate is incredibly low. Only 165 puls/min when producing his max physical strain !!!!
+Kyllian Millard pelotonmagazine.com/feedzone/froome-releases-physiological-data/
+Kyllian Millard depends what his max heart rate is
I think it might not be more than 180 bpm.
the speed power heart beat are bullshit
His max heartrate is around 160 max
esos datos no corresponden con la realidad
The most stable heart rate.....what nonsense is this.
+velosapien pelotonmagazine.com/feedzone/froome-releases-physiological-data/
+velosapien This is ALL about it: Froome’s VO2 max - the maximum volume of oxygen that an athlete can use, measured in millilitres per kilogramme of body weight per minute (ml/kg/min) - was recorded as 84.6.
At his Tour-winning weight it would correlate to 88.2, according to Esquire. The general population has a VO2 max of 35 to 40, with highly trained individuals in the 50s and 60s.
+Wander Almeida +electrocomm 84 ml of VO2max is same values as Armstrong BEFORE his doping era. With these values he would have been nobody in 2000s pro peloton but he managed to match climbing speed and insane attacks... This guy is a cheat as all UK athletes transformed by GSK lab for 12 Olympics.
+Simon Rano Oh, really you´re sure? Maybe you can prove that...? Please don´t tell bullshit about Froome.
Contador, Valverde etc...there are a long list of dopers, Froome is not among them.
Wander Almeida
Just look at the whole picture : Cookson and Coe are brits, they claimed to save cycling and track and field from doping. UK athletes dominates on one hand and russian and kenyans have been caught for doping on the other. The SKY communication is word for word the US Postal one. This is just war with a new form.
Contador certainly doped but I'm convinced his clenbuterol test ban was a mistake. This guy have been trained by Riis and Bruyneel, he fought whit Rassmussen and Armstrong. He could have used such a bad doping method as clenbuterol.
Explanations are alwas the same for sudden success : 'we looked at all details, marginal gaines, better training, dropped a few kilos, stopped drinking beer..." How a country can won almost all rainbow jerseys and olympics golds over 5 years just with a track program and a couple freestyle montain bikers ?
Look at all team that put teamates on TdF podium. Schleck Bros didn't do anything since Franck positive, Astana's : armstrong and contador. US postal with LA + hamilton and Landis, best dopers. Now look at Sky with Wiggins/Froome and Porte/Thomas juste a couple rank behind....
Mieux que LA et sans medicament !!! lol
900 xD
Salbutafroome
Team sky doping no doubt about it
Explain Noob
Mr doping froome.
Gustavo Cruz Mr Doping Contador.
Gustavo Cruz no shit mate! :D
***** Tour de Doping?
+Vincent Maresca usted es el unico que ha señalado a quintana en millones de seguidores...esa es su verdad .que vergonsoso su comentario.acepte la realidad.informese mejor ,lea.
Que tonto es usted. se nota su ignorancia, vaya y hable de muñecas, de pronto ese es su fuerte.
Two people on e-bikes
Nosense🤬
820watt and not higher then 156 hr.... OMG .... woot can he do @ over 200 hr.... nice vitamine .... he was 25-35% better then Armstrong,Pantani and Ulrich.... sure
350watts to 450 watts => Pulse not changed !? Magic !
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Cheeting by Froome!!!!no wonder he can run!!!!!