I remember watching it in the wee hours of the morning here in Australia, as these races usually are. It was absolutely brilliant. Horner was a smart racer.
A very special Vuelta for me, and glorious to have seen Chris win, especially when he dropped Nibali and finished just behind Elissonde on the Angliru to secure the GC. 🙏🏼
Hahah! The comments here are soooo funny! Horner's never been involved in any doping scandals and was always known as a great climber even in his later pro years. He was well respected in the pros but wasn't a real GC contender because he was more of a climbing domestique for his teams. What's unique about Horner is he was one of those rare riders that grimaced in the form of a smile. So it always looked like he was smiling from ear to ear when he was suffering like a dog on the mountain. Nevertheless this performance was one of the most epic rides in the history of professional cycling. Some still swear he was doped up to the gills but as with unusual feats there will always be skeptics. Eventually there will be another 40+ year old rider to win a Grand Tour with great climbing and he will be accused of doping too.
He was never anywhere near being a gc rider than suddenly at the age of 42 he does it + he always backed lance so it does seem a bit suspicious to say the least
Yeah I think based on the fact that he talks around it but never comes out and denies it makes me think he did dope, but so did everyone else at the time. 🤷♂️
Has anyone thought of giving the man atop the car a paintball gun for crowd control. Will there be collateral damage? Yes. Of course there will be, but I believe the price is justifiable for the safety of the athletes.
99% time nothing happens. Uphill nothin really bad can happen anyway. Apart from that: The riders love the crowds. Imagine the feeling, you are going all out to win a grand tour up this hill against super strong opponents. You get this tunnel feeling through the crowds. It is incredibly motivating.
7:55 ...nice move by Horner to use the breakaway he caught here to put a gap on Nabali - he scoots past them on the side, and then the breakaway group kind of psychologically as well as physically blocked a fading Nibali from Horner, who then put a big gap on to the finish. Seems like that was the final move that won him the Vuelta on this crazy climb.
God I hate when the crowd blocks the road. I swung at them with my hands before. There were times when they'd purposefully close even the tiniest gap between me and the hometown boys (especially in Colombia.) Moto cops would swerve to open up a gap which was very cool of them to do.
With LeMond, Horner may go down as the best American cyclist since. What a great tenacious victory. It is amazing, that Horner has not been given the respect in the US for this tremendous victory. The climb is epic.
+Stephanie Hughes He hasn't been given the respect because something is clearly not right. Horner's ABP values, which he released himself, flagged up some serious issues. See here: www.outsideonline.com/1919196/chris-horners-bio-passport-problem
So why hasn't Horner tested positive even once in his career? Sure, Armstrong's positive was allegedly covered up, but there was plenty of third-party, first-hand knowledge Lance doped. I have never heard of one person claiming s/he saw Horner dope.
+Thomas W Hardly an Armstrong fan. You missed my point: Where are the first-hand accounts from people who saw Horner doping? Armstrong tried to intimidate all naysayers, including those with direct knowledge. Where are those people regarding Horner?
NIbali kept attacking and Horner played turtle and the hare, he never responded and just kept a steady pace, he also looked about 10 lbs lighter than Nibbles. Nibali burned himself out. All these people talking about doping probably never talk shit about Valverde...
@@treygray2817 there was only 1 breakaway rider left in front, they caught all the others, Chris Horner explained himself he would have lost if Nibali outsprinted him at the line, Chris Horner has a great analysis video of this stage on his channel
The fact that the riders are not punching the fans in the face is beyond me. I get they are excited but come one give the athletes their space to ride. Keep your hands off them and get out of their face.
Truly an epic stage. Great to watch 41 year old American Chris Horner pedal his way to victory! Curious as to what kind of gearing Mr. Horner chose for this days festivities?
Doping or not, Horner is my hero. How many cheeseburger addicts can claim that they're one of the top climbers in the world, if not the winner of a freakin' Grand Tour? He's the cycling spirit animal for fat kids like me!
After the col du granon in 22 JV looked like hed eaten 5 handfuls of $4*7. And here this man 41 or not standing on the pedals and doing pure anerobic cadience the entire way looking like the t1000 with a smile is just absurd. From GT champion to complete obscurity, what an aweful time for cycling.
Horner is terribly underrated. He is America’s all time best road cyclist hands down. Unfortunately, much of his success came after Armstrong’s stunk up the sport and many Americans turned away from cycling.
@@alanrobinson7891 Horner was a domestique most of his career, this was one of 2 grand tours he was trusted as the leader and he wasn’t even the leader in this.
I've ridden this climb. It's bloody hard. In places, you'd be faster walking. I came to a grinding halt near the top and sat there trying to decide what to do; it's almost impossible to get going again on those gradients. As i sat there another rider came past and indicated that i was actually near the top and it got easier. That got me going and i was able to finish the climb.
Wow, Horner was smiling towards the end. I think people have to take into consideration how much better Horner's gearing was compared to his peers. I think that's what won him this race, not doping
@eljamo93, it's not gearing, it's Horner's constant standing @ cadence 60 to 70, with 42+ cm wide handlebars for increased leverage. Evidently he had perfected this technique over the previous 5 years or so, and got to the point where he could push a bigger gear for a longer time on steep grades. Compare with Nibali and Elissonde sitting most of the time, at much higher cadence
@@treygray2817 yes agree. A rider starts having success a certain way -- or stumbles into it by accident like Horner did with wide bars -- and they go with that and train hard over time. Very rider specific
Horner won nothing before or after this dubious Vuelta victory. Definitely suspected of doping. Juan Jose Cobo was stripped of his 2011 Vuelta victory retrospectively for doping. How Horner is still dining out on this one is beyond me
@@gustavosalvini1827 he most likely was, going after the Wikipedia page on him there were things on his blood pass which were suspects and for a few weeks the drug testers could not find him or something like that
That's stupid. I say test them and just know that they're still going to micro dope. If they dope and keep themselves within healthy limits, I'm all for it. It levels the playing field and still keeps them relatively safe.
So. The tests do exactly what they're intended to do. It keeps their levels within safe limits and allows them to dope a bit to level the playing filed.
@@sandrost4243 The tests at their very best can reduce unhealthy abuse. But you're a quack if you think they'll ever prevent micro dosing. Sorry. "We" lol, you and who else? Rest assured, you're probably not that much dumber. It's hard to bottom out more than once.
If all the riders are doping then the sport is more fair, but if the authorities can bust on guy or one team and not another that’s not fair. I doubt all the riders dope. So it’s not fair. It’s way less fun to watch a race that’s not fair. And all those guys on the road when the racers are trying to pass each other. I would like under cover cyclists on electric bikes with cattle prods chasing the fans back and fined for those who don’t comply. Just have some deputized traffic cops and officials walking the sides of the road. Screw motorcycle cameras. A fix for that may be have every cyclist with a go pro or two or three on their bikes. They can probably make the bikes so light that they will still be the same weight with the cameras. Then the results for each day wouldn’t be known till later when all the footage was edited. But they could get some good commentators and boost the production value. I just don’t see the draw for the sport of cycling. Those fans suck. The motorcycles suck. The doping sucks. The camera work and commentary usually suck. I am way more interested in watching or participating in low key races. Though I do imagine from a fan’s perspective riding up the mountain with some liquor and getting drunk and yelling with all the other guys, then coasting down the hill after the race goes by would be a fun day.
Michael Strelka In the same year nibali won the giro d'italia, if there is a doper in this race isn't Nibali that is a true champion, he has demonstrated his class in all of three big race in the world: the giro, the vuelta and the tour. He is simply one of the best whit contador and froome.
@@reglisse42 he’s an out of the saddle rider with the by far the freshest legs in the group, only his 3rd race that year. also being an out of the saddle rider gives you better aero and seems to be better all around and plus he’s way lighter than Nibali meaning he’s pushing 510 watts compared to Nibali’s 430, Horner is winning that battle every time on a climb like this.
This Vuelta was stolen from Nibali and I'm sure that between a few years everything will come out just like Juan Cobo, they just were at the end of their carriers so they had nothing to lose.
@@gustavosalvini1827 Nibali has never been caught doping... What are you saying? Nibali is one of the most important riders for many campaigns against doping in the group. The italians caught doping in that years were Basso, Di Luca, Riccò and Scarponi. And the funny fact is that they all were much better than Nibali before they were caught doping, but then, when they had to stop with it, they came back much weaker than him.
It was epic. The crowd and confusion just made this over the top crazy. I still remember it to this day. I loved it.
One of the best Vuelta stages ever.
I remember watching it in the wee hours of the morning here in Australia, as these races usually are. It was absolutely brilliant. Horner was a smart racer.
A very special Vuelta for me, and glorious to have seen Chris win, especially when he dropped Nibali and finished just behind Elissonde on the Angliru to secure the GC. 🙏🏼
on the juice
@@westerling8436 and also way way older. Definitely still impressive, even if it isn't legitimate
Chris is one of the great commentary guysmow. The Butterfly Effect.
Hahah! The comments here are soooo funny! Horner's never been involved in any doping scandals and was always known as a great climber even in his later pro years. He was well respected in the pros but wasn't a real GC contender because he was more of a climbing domestique for his teams. What's unique about Horner is he was one of those rare riders that grimaced in the form of a smile. So it always looked like he was smiling from ear to ear when he was suffering like a dog on the mountain. Nevertheless this performance was one of the most epic rides in the history of professional cycling. Some still swear he was doped up to the gills but as with unusual feats there will always be skeptics. Eventually there will be another 40+ year old rider to win a Grand Tour with great climbing and he will be accused of doping too.
He was never anywhere near being a gc rider than suddenly at the age of 42 he does it + he always backed lance so it does seem a bit suspicious to say the least
@t nonyabusiness ye ik it’s j a bit disappointing
He has never exactly denied it. Watch his other videos his stance is suspicious
That was his biggest performance highlight 👍
Yeah I think based on the fact that he talks around it but never comes out and denies it makes me think he did dope, but so did everyone else at the time. 🤷♂️
Has anyone thought of giving the man atop the car a paintball gun for crowd control. Will there be collateral damage? Yes. Of course there will be, but I believe the price is justifiable for the safety of the athletes.
I was thinking of a electric cattle prod.
I prefer a nuke, to destroy these comments. All you need is those fences set up and some stewards.
99% time nothing happens. Uphill nothin really bad can happen anyway. Apart from that: The riders love the crowds. Imagine the feeling, you are going all out to win a grand tour up this hill against super strong opponents. You get this tunnel feeling through the crowds. It is incredibly motivating.
Most epic stage I ever got to watch live, it was thrilling. Kudos to Mr. Chris Horner.
I threw up just watching that...23%...be easier to climb with a pick axe
Its an epic climb by Horner. He is a legend without a doubt
7:55 ...nice move by Horner to use the breakaway he caught here to put a gap on Nabali - he scoots past them on the side, and then the breakaway group kind of psychologically as well as physically blocked a fading Nibali from Horner, who then put a big gap on to the finish. Seems like that was the final move that won him the Vuelta on this crazy climb.
After 2 months of racing on empty roads this was stressing me out!!
@Luka Cherriman exactly. Irritating inconsiderate fans. Just one meter back, that's all it takes to show some respect.
the crazy thing was that horner even looked like benjamin button.
God I hate when the crowd blocks the road. I swung at them with my hands before. There were times when they'd purposefully close even the tiniest gap between me and the hometown boys (especially in Colombia.) Moto cops would swerve to open up a gap which was very cool of them to do.
Are you the dude from the wheaties box?
Yup! Thats me. How did u notice?
@@dougfitch3649 I love wheaties.
Edit: also love cycling!
It kind of looks like you’re trying to throw a punch on the wheaties box
@@stevenqirkle Haha! You’re right. They put make up on my legs since it was February and I was super pasty white!
1:57 it's really sad to see one of the best domestics and fighter Chris Anker passed away a month ago. RIP
Nice! And now he is the boss at Redbull F1!
no, they are different people
guy in redbull is christian horner
@@azizselimsimsek3983 It’s a joke
Jeez lol
No no, he became Christina Horner on twitter, as 'the girl with the beard and moustache'. Fact!
With LeMond, Horner may go down as the best American cyclist since. What a great tenacious victory. It is amazing, that Horner has not been given the respect in the US for this tremendous victory. The climb is epic.
+Stephanie Hughes He hasn't been given the respect because something is clearly not right. Horner's ABP values, which he released himself, flagged up some serious issues. See here:
www.outsideonline.com/1919196/chris-horners-bio-passport-problem
So why hasn't Horner tested positive even once in his career? Sure, Armstrong's positive was allegedly covered up, but there was plenty of third-party, first-hand knowledge Lance doped. I have never heard of one person claiming s/he saw Horner dope.
So you're saying that if you do not test positive you're not a doper? Armstrong fan logic.
+Thomas W Hardly an Armstrong fan. You missed my point: Where are the first-hand accounts from people who saw Horner doping? Armstrong tried to intimidate all naysayers, including those with direct knowledge. Where are those people regarding Horner?
There aren't many forthcoming accounts, but the fact his blood values increased in volume during a GT speaks for itself.
0:17 Come on! 1%! I even ride that on the big ring!
It was 19 %
Wasn't Horner close to 40 during this ride? Wow, that must be some great training for this climb. He trained so hard he turned back the clock.
Doping can do wonders!
archielabb he was a few weeks shy of his 42nd birthday :-)
archielabb 41
The most farcical winner of any grand tour.
@@zero5uk Honorable mention goes to Juan Jose Cobo.
The last American grand tour winner. It was an epic stage!
Until Sepp Kuss won this race in 2023
Best duel ever . Two champions - Chris earned the win ; Nivolli the respect
Horner = doping cheater
DOPEDY DOPE
NIbali kept attacking and Horner played turtle and the hare, he never responded and just kept a steady pace, he also looked about 10 lbs lighter than Nibbles. Nibali burned himself out. All these people talking about doping probably never talk shit about Valverde...
Horner es inmortal todos creyeron que no podía lograrlo y lo hizo venció alos favoritos que gran vuelta 🚵🚵🚵🚵🚵🚵🚵🚵🏆🏆🏆
Never get how a 41-year old could win a grand tour.
sorry Chris, but you can't win grand tour when you are 41 years old without doping
151bar151 you can't win a granf tour at any age without doping
@@treygray2817 You can't win a grand tour at any age
@@matejburian3191 I was outdone!
@@treygray2817 and i just tried to be funny, we both made mistake
Unbelievable, literally unbelievable.
Just far too difficult to believe he could have done that riding clean.
He and all the riders should have their heads checked if they rode that clean.
23%, forget about it, get me on the gear.
I know! Especially laughing and smiling all the way up the mountain. Did you see the one shot of him on his cell phone going by Nibali?
Nobody in the top 20 is clean
Epic, go Chris!
Horner would have got more respect for his Vuelta win if he hadn't used 48cm bars.
what's wrong with it ?
@@pucuk1668 A joke....it was a joke.
I'm sure they were useful here with those steep pinches.
And doping but wouldnt be able to win then haha..
Imagine doped nibali in his 30ties not dropping a 41 year old guy. 🤣
How wide were those handlebars back then 450mm? It’s crazy how much bikes have changed in just 8-10 years.
Standard 44,42,40 that you see now.
Elissonde's looked like 45+ cm to me
Huge respect for Nibali for trying on the climb instead of using time bonus to win. True honour.
Breakaway took the time bonuses.
@@treygray2817 there was only 1 breakaway rider left in front, they caught all the others, Chris Horner explained himself he would have lost if Nibali outsprinted him at the line, Chris Horner has a great analysis video of this stage on his channel
@@Mgoblagulkablong Ah, didn’t realize that. Poor tactics by Nibali in that case
The fact that the riders are not punching the fans in the face is beyond me. I get they are excited but come one give the athletes their space to ride. Keep your hands off them and get out of their face.
Truly an epic stage. Great to watch 41 year old American Chris Horner pedal his way to victory! Curious as to what kind of gearing Mr. Horner chose for this days festivities?
Doping or not, Horner is my hero. How many cheeseburger addicts can claim that they're one of the top climbers in the world, if not the winner of a freakin' Grand Tour? He's the cycling spirit animal for fat kids like me!
He's a cheating bitch
@@whatwelearned
I think I saw same comment from you under vids with Armstrong. Is this your profession?
@@geg_otmopo3 Quite possibly; they're both cheaters (although Lance is obviously an incredible turd)
Lemond ate burgers too, and won the TDF.
Yeah, low IQ morons tend to idolize cheats like Horner. 😆
Bend, Oregon baby! yeah ..
Doping cheater baby
knuckleheads 🦋
After the col du granon in 22 JV looked like hed eaten 5 handfuls of $4*7. And here this man 41 or not standing on the pedals and doing pure anerobic cadience the entire way looking like the t1000 with a smile is just absurd. From GT champion to complete obscurity, what an aweful time for cycling.
HISTORICAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Horner should've gotten the interview with Oprah, not that other guy.
Horner doped too.
that's my boy Chris Horner! #legend
Dope city 😆
8:00 Moment Horner won. He talks about it on his youtube channel.
Horner is terribly underrated. He is America’s all time best road cyclist hands down. Unfortunately, much of his success came after Armstrong’s stunk up the sport and many Americans turned away from cycling.
I'd have thought LeMond would be americas greatest road cyclist.
@@alanrobinson7891 Horner was a domestique most of his career, this was one of 2 grand tours he was trusted as the leader and he wasn’t even the leader in this.
@@akadoiphin267 contradicting yourself there. Was he trusted as the leader, or was he not the leader. Can't be both
@@alanrobinson7891 I’d call him independent because his race director did not trust him in the Vuelta
How they can ride up 23 percent is beyond me
With the amount of doping they do I'm not surprised they can ride up it
I've ridden this climb. It's bloody hard. In places, you'd be faster walking. I came to a grinding halt near the top and sat there trying to decide what to do; it's almost impossible to get going again on those gradients. As i sat there another rider came past and indicated that i was actually near the top and it got easier. That got me going and i was able to finish the climb.
way to go Chris.
The fans getting in the way are absolute knuckleheads.
A car, 20 seconds ahead of the first rider. with a flame thrower.
what a mob scene.. I mean it's great for the viewers and fans, but for the riders, .....
Go Horner! I’m slightly biased that’s my last name! 😂
Armstrong le dio un poquito De aliento y con ESO le aguanto
Horner with motor bike like amstrong
Niblet niblet niblet you go
Awesome ride Chris! Go butterfly effect!
It's obviously the blue tape.
Wow, Horner was smiling towards the end. I think people have to take into consideration how much better Horner's gearing was compared to his peers. I think that's what won him this race, not doping
@eljamo93, it's not gearing, it's Horner's constant standing @ cadence 60 to 70, with 42+ cm wide handlebars for increased leverage. Evidently he had perfected this technique over the previous 5 years or so, and got to the point where he could push a bigger gear for a longer time on steep grades. Compare with Nibali and Elissonde sitting most of the time, at much higher cadence
@@jeffbrower8773 I appreciate your comment.
@@jeffbrower8773 And they say spinners are winners. I say it's rider specific. Pantani spun a low cadence.
@@treygray2817 yes agree. A rider starts having success a certain way -- or stumbles into it by accident like Horner did with wide bars -- and they go with that and train hard over time. Very rider specific
@@jeffbrower8773 Horner always looked like he was smiling on big climbs, but it was actually a grimace.
Brutal...
That was a dope as climb
Horner won nothing before or after this dubious Vuelta victory. Definitely suspected of doping. Juan Jose Cobo was stripped of his 2011 Vuelta victory retrospectively for doping. How Horner is still dining out on this one is beyond me
It’s simple: Horner wasn’t doping
@@gustavosalvini1827 he most likely was, going after the Wikipedia page on him there were things on his blood pass which were suspects and for a few weeks the drug testers could not find him or something like that
you spelled "on drugs" wrong
Amstrong taught him well.
Epo epo epo or blood whatever got to love it butterfly
Electric power ?
Surely
Classic!
This is insanity period!!
Horner is clean, his bike is not.
Erik van Laar pics or you’re just talking shit
Yes, very clear that he used mechanical doping. He climbed up the steepest part and his bike did not move horizontally. Very unusual!
If everyone’s doping then it’s level playing field. So why all the Horner trolls be cryin?😢
DOPED!
Bear spray
Let them dope, who cares !!!
That's stupid. I say test them and just know that they're still going to micro dope.
If they dope and keep themselves within healthy limits, I'm all for it. It levels the playing field and still keeps them relatively safe.
Anonymous DueToFascists riders who don’t dope are losers
Chaos
now look me in the eye and tell me cycling is clean....They are all doped.still even to this day....including Nibali
So. The tests do exactly what they're intended to do. It keeps their levels within safe limits and allows them to dope a bit to level the playing filed.
@@thunderpooch we are all dumber for reading your post.
@@sandrost4243 The tests at their very best can reduce unhealthy abuse. But you're a quack if you think they'll ever prevent micro dosing. Sorry.
"We" lol, you and who else? Rest assured, you're probably not that much dumber. It's hard to bottom out more than once.
juiced to the gils
embarrassing on so many levels! A shame on the sport that Horner got a new contract after this - Hopefully he will quit after this year!
Sour grapes! Tell us about Bjarne Riis, then. Good grief, Horner was 41 years old!
Covid, where are you when we need you up there?!?!?!
As usual too many motorcycles in the way!!!
Chris Doper Horner.
Lance le llevo unas "aspirinas" a horner para ganar está vuelta
or maybe he’s just 10kg lighter than Nibali and can push his limit at 510 watts, plus this was phi’s 3rd race of the year
If all the riders are doping then the sport is more fair, but if the authorities can bust on guy or one team and not another that’s not fair. I doubt all the riders dope. So it’s not fair. It’s way less fun to watch a race that’s not fair.
And all those guys on the road when the racers are trying to pass each other. I would like under cover cyclists on electric bikes with cattle prods chasing the fans back and fined for those who don’t comply. Just have some deputized traffic cops and officials walking the sides of the road.
Screw motorcycle cameras. A fix for that may be have every cyclist with a go pro or two or three on their bikes. They can probably make the bikes so light that they will still be the same weight with the cameras. Then the results for each day wouldn’t be known till later when all the footage was edited. But they could get some good commentators and boost the production value.
I just don’t see the draw for the sport of cycling. Those fans suck. The motorcycles suck. The doping sucks. The camera work and commentary usually suck.
I am way more interested in watching or participating in low key races.
Though I do imagine from a fan’s perspective riding up the mountain with some liquor and getting drunk and yelling with all the other guys, then coasting down the hill after the race goes by would be a fun day.
Amazing ! yet another American rider with "otherworldly" talents, just how did they do it ? I think we all know the answer to that now !!
Yeah, only Americans are implicated in doping! You must not follow the sport much.
Hurt locker.
Khán giả ,cổ động viên mất trật tự quá! Đúng là bát nháo, gây nguy hiểm cho VĐV.
Our dope boy Chris Dopy Hormer.
We as old cyclists enjoy this great performance on the page where we meet: facebook.com/groups/wielrennenANEKDOTES
Testosterone galore!
Nibali was robbed!
Sir Winston really. How ?
Do tell
You can't rob someone in cycling.. (Except for Vino)
He dropped Nibali, end of story..
Nibali was caught coping before 🤡🤡🤡🤡 unlike horner
@@gustavosalvini1827 Nibali had never been caught doping. 🤡 Popi popi.
Just learn to read before talking.
Horner...really... motor in his bike...
Dope. Lotsa dope.
he’s an out of the saddle climber and was never involved in any sort of doping, probably why he was a domestique for all those years.
I thought he won it on dope
Horner obviously doped. He knew that we knew as well - it’s ridiculous
Doping, doping, doping...
one might wonder how someone (Niboli) becomes so dominant just 11 months later
Michael Strelka
In the same year nibali won the giro d'italia, if there is a doper in this race isn't Nibali that is a true champion, he has demonstrated his class in all of three big race in the world: the giro, the vuelta and the tour. He is simply one of the best whit contador and froome.
Michael Strelka
SEMPLY IDIOT HERE THERE IS A DOPER AND IS HORNER
No just a case of a well balanced vegan diet!
Abnsdllnnlosnfd a vegan diet is beneficial, but you still have to dope to win a GT
Won it doped up
Horner very weird racer ..I don’t understand this victory
Chris Horner is a true champion, deal with it. He beat a tired weak field though.....Nibali was wasted.
@@uberkloden maybe if you think so .for me it’s very weird
@@reglisse42 he’s an out of the saddle rider with the by far the freshest legs in the group, only his 3rd race that year. also being an out of the saddle rider gives you better aero and seems to be better all around and plus he’s way lighter than Nibali meaning he’s pushing 510 watts compared to Nibali’s 430, Horner is winning that battle every time on a climb like this.
Horner has wrong number on his jersey ..... Shouldn't it be "rider # 15" ? His blood levels were ALL OVER .... Just saying ....
Froome is a master of dopping
he's dropping with cavendish and the rest of the sprinters so idk how you can claim that
Dopato cris
Warning to would-be sponsors of cycling - your intended audience is one negative trolling bunch. You'd be wise to spend your money elsewhere!!
Doping
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
This Vuelta was stolen from Nibali and I'm sure that between a few years everything will come out just like Juan Cobo, they just were at the end of their carriers so they had nothing to lose.
Nibali has served a suspension for doping.
Nibali has been caught doping, unlike Horner
@@gustavosalvini1827 Nibali has never been caught doping... What are you saying? Nibali is one of the most important riders for many campaigns against doping in the group.
The italians caught doping in that years were Basso, Di Luca, Riccò and Scarponi. And the funny fact is that they all were much better than Nibali before they were caught doping, but then, when they had to stop with it, they came back much weaker than him.