C"mon Rapsodo or Callaway send Dave a dozen RPT balls so Dave can provide on true on course comparison by generating the shot data with both premium and the RPT balls - for that matter throw in a dozen of his favorite Calaway balls as well!!!! - Nice job on the video Dave truly appreciate your candor!!!! Cant wait for the next vid!
There are stickers available now, I’ve been using the R10 on course to help find the ball, eyes not as keen these days so this helps a lot. Agree completely that the unit has great potential but the software is very underdeveloped, that camera for impact vision needs to be aligned better. Great content David looking forward to seeing what you do next. Cheers
Hey David I have seen where you can get the stickers to make any ball a Rpt ball. Maybe if you get some of those you could then make your own and bring on course. There are a couple posted videos on UA-cam with a link to get stickers. There about a dollar US to get. Also seen a template you can use and fill in with marker.
Have you experimented with using your phone as a second camera slightly forward of hitting position to show face impact. If that was in slow mo and you had impact vision maybe it’s what you’re looking for.
For each shot, what is the added time to setup the mlm2 pro you'd say ? For RPT balls, I'd try to draw the pattern with a sharpie on my gaming balls for on course use (no screen to stain). I could only use the mlm for on course practice, so shot setup time is crucial. Thank you again !
People have tried drawing the dots on. No luck though. Ill use the TPT balls on course when the boxes are available. But it only takes a couple minutes each time
@@davidmaxfieldgolf So trying to mimic the TPT pattern is not easy... A couple of minutes to start and pair, like first shot first hole, but then for the second shot and the following ones, still that slow ? You place the device, align it and still need more time ? As you get used to it the alignement and distance to the device gets quicker I guess.
How did you get the Mlm2pro to stay connected to your iPad? Mine works with my iPhone, but the sucker just keeps disconnecting from iPad. It’s so frustrating. Also, iPhone tends to overheat very quickly when running the Mlm2pro app here in Florida. Unless I’m in a very shaded driving range area etc.
@@davidmaxfieldgolf Already done that…. Still just keeps disconnecting. What I don’t understand is why it works fine with my phone but not the iPad…. I mean, what’s the difference? 🤷🏼♂️
Hey David, you're videos are funny and informative. Thanks! As a Garmin ambassador, does the R10 have a shot tracer feature like the MLM2Pro? the 2 cameras are the big win with the MLM2Pro but that + shot tracer are driving my desire for the MLM2 vs. R10. Thoughts?
DM there are already companies selling the stickers for "regular" balls to turn them into RPT balls. Apparently they cost about $1 for the stickers, but you can sharpie them if the dots start to wear. Might be an option.
It’s a good option. Just not for me though 😞 I spoke to Rapsodo and the RPT a pattern has a patent. So I wouldn’t want to produce content with using the stickers and then have legal issues around it 👍🏼
Glad I’m not producing content as I bought a jig on eBay and make every ball I use work (can’t stand Callaway, loyal Titleist player til I die). Jig and oil based paint marker FTW!
I’ve got a final verdict video coming but I’ve been very careful to answer that question as I’ve still going through all that the MLM2PRO has to offer and want to make sure I give it the best chance possible. It’s a very good unit
I really like these on course videos. I am a R10 owner. Can you do some more videos at the practice hole? Also do you like the RogueST driver better than the Paradigm? Thank you and keep making great videos.
Thanks Chris, the practise hole is in use at the moment but I’ll be getting the unit back on course with the rpt balls soon 😁 I like the Paradym but would be happy with either driver to be honest
Hi David, Love these videos, thank you. Question, when you did this on course video, we’re you connected through the MLM2PRO WiFi or did you have a personal WiFi, or were you using cellular data? Thanks again and keep up the great work!
I found with mine it does not factor in wind or cold. Used a rangefinder at the range and the distances the mlm2pro were showing were way longer. How much longer did it take on the course with the mlm2pro? I thought about doing it but with practice session instead of the course.
I would guess you're right - not using RPT balls on the course threw off its accuracy for your spin axis and stuff on those initial tee shots, especially. Maybe it doesn't know the ball drew back a bit and showed it as a big block to the right (OB).
Without the RPT balls you just will not get the accuracy the machine is capable of. Period. It cannot measure spin axis, so ball flight will not be accurate. To those posting complaints, this is just how the machine is designed. If used as designed, it is highly accurate. And useful. I see this as an indoor practice tool. It gives you good reliable data, indoors, that you can then bring to the course and apply real world. If you're on the range, you do not need a launch monitor to tell you direction and distance. It's all marked. If you want a machine that can perform outdoors, there are good options. For 5-6 times the price, but they are out there. As far as those aftermarket stickers, they are not perfectly flush. With a ball spinning at > 3000 RPM, the stickers will alter ball flight. Won't matter hitting into a screen 8-10 ft away but will significantly when ball flies 100-200 yds. I would not use those stickers just so I can take this on the course.
Hey David. So I know you were originally all for the r10 and now you have done some serious testing of the mlm2. Will you be doing a video to talk about what might be the better option for certain golfer types? I am a 14-16 hdcp and would like to dial in my club distances, learn to shape my shots and play some sim rounds when I can’t get to the course and am curious what you think might be best. Thanks!
Hey David! I know this is an on course review, but i was wondering if you had tested the unit with those rainbowy foam balls. I wouldn’t care for spin rate once the unit delivers club data. It’d be great if you could reply! 🙏
Hey 👋 Sorry I don’t have any foam balls anymore. But it wouldn’t be able to give you anything that resembles a normal ball. It would definitely read the ball but you would be able to see your normal shot averages if thats what you’re looking for
Seems to me exactly what you are saying, potential to be a really good unit thats dealing with a lot of bugs. The MAJOR issue i see is that without RCT balls its ok at best. They better fix that or it will forever be a flaw that will make unit ok/avg at best. Bugs can be worked out, but locking ppl in to 1 expensive ball to have accuracy its a massive mistake. I dont play Titleist and sure wont pay $55-70 for a dozen balls just so my $700 unit will be accurate.
@@davidmaxfieldgolf ahh, this reply was supposed to be for fuzzy banana😂😂 but I suppose he can’t buy it either if he can’t afford 50 bucks for rpt balls
@@davidmaxfieldgolf not sure how to word it😂😂 so you play a draw pretty much religiously. if you where to aim the mlm unit on your starting line (right of target) and not directly at the pin/centre fairway (intended finish) line. it just seemed really odd that those first two drives where "OB" on the unit 🤷♂️
@@davidmaxfieldgolf just can't help but think if the unit was pointing directly where your club path was facing (out to the right) the camera would have picked up the full shot like it did indoors on the sim.
The algorithm they used to create the courses made everything 20 yards off the fairway OB, no matter if it is or isn’t. Also it does not consider wind.
For now, at least, it definitely seems like the value of the data drops off a cliff if you don't use an RPT ball. It IS a radar device, I wonder if they'll ever add support for RCT balls and refine their algorithm for balls it can't track spin / spin axis. 🤞
I don’t think you would have the ability to have it read the rpt pattern and the RCT ball. I wouldn’t say it’s fallen off a Cliff as it did track quite a lot very accurately
@@davidmaxfieldgolf Yeah, I guess that was a bit dramatic, hahaha, I just mean that the accuracy is much higher as soon as it sees the RPT dots. Good test nonetheless.
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C"mon Rapsodo or Callaway send Dave a dozen RPT balls so Dave can provide on true on course comparison by generating the shot data with both premium and the RPT balls - for that matter throw in a dozen of his favorite Calaway balls as well!!!! - Nice job on the video Dave truly appreciate your candor!!!! Cant wait for the next vid!
Next vid is on the impact vision 😁 love that feature
There are stickers available now, I’ve been using the R10 on course to help find the ball, eyes not as keen these days so this helps a lot. Agree completely that the unit has great potential but the software is very underdeveloped, that camera for impact vision needs to be aligned better. Great content David looking forward to seeing what you do next.
Cheers
Cheers Ken, impact vision is up next
Hey David I have seen where you can get the stickers to make any ball a Rpt ball. Maybe if you get some of those you could then make your own and bring on course. There are a couple posted videos on UA-cam with a link to get stickers. There about a dollar US to get. Also seen a template you can use and fill in with marker.
There are some options available that’s true 😁
Have you experimented with using your phone as a second camera slightly forward of hitting position to show face impact. If that was in slow mo and you had impact vision maybe it’s what you’re looking for.
Very true. Video on impact vision coming soon
Great test!
I think it was hard test. I think without RTP ball, it does work. What happened.
Did you already get new Skytrak?
Thanks.
I have the skytrak here but not the skytrak 2
Have you tried moving the unit back further? I’ve found that gives the impact camera a much bigger fov.
I did but then you’re outside of that yellow box in many cases and it doesn’t read driver well
Hi David, good review. What are the Skytrak vids you’re going to do
Plenty coming, bag mapping, skills challenges TGC etc
For carry, would you recommend rapsodo or Garmin r10? Mainly for wedges as I’m off 0. Thanks
Both are accurate but the mlm2pro measures spin axis and the Garmin uses an algorithm
For each shot, what is the added time to setup the mlm2 pro you'd say ?
For RPT balls, I'd try to draw the pattern with a sharpie on my gaming balls for on course use (no screen to stain).
I could only use the mlm for on course practice, so shot setup time is crucial. Thank you again !
People have tried drawing the dots on. No luck though. Ill use the TPT balls on course when the boxes are available. But it only takes a couple minutes each time
@@davidmaxfieldgolf So trying to mimic the TPT pattern is not easy...
A couple of minutes to start and pair, like first shot first hole, but then for the second shot and the following ones, still that slow ? You place the device, align it and still need more time ? As you get used to it the alignement and distance to the device gets quicker I guess.
@@davidabrial5328 you can leave it connected but I don’t. On the second hole was the whole process which was about 1-2 mins
Can you do yards instead? 😃
Watch tonight’s video 😁
Mate, have you tried FootJoy gloves? They are just awesome!!!
They are very good. I use the apex pro gloves and love those also
Can’t wait for your final verdict as I’m going to buy one of the two units. Have you tried them with the gs pro simulator?
MLM2PRO isn’t compatible with gspro as yet
How did you get the Mlm2pro to stay connected to your iPad?
Mine works with my iPhone, but the sucker just keeps disconnecting from iPad. It’s so frustrating.
Also, iPhone tends to overheat very quickly when running the Mlm2pro app here in Florida. Unless I’m in a very shaded driving range area etc.
Update and use direct connection
@@davidmaxfieldgolf
Already done that…. Still just keeps disconnecting.
What I don’t understand is why it works fine with my phone but not the iPad…. I mean, what’s the difference? 🤷🏼♂️
@@fergusreeverealestate.7409 I use mine from the iPad. Are you connecting to your home wifi or direct to the unit?
@@davidmaxfieldgolf I’ve tried both. Same result either way.
@@fergusreeverealestate.7409 how far away is your iPad from the unit? Maybe try putting it on the feet of the MLM2PRO where the spots are
Hey David, you're videos are funny and informative. Thanks! As a Garmin ambassador, does the R10 have a shot tracer feature like the MLM2Pro? the 2 cameras are the big win with the MLM2Pro but that + shot tracer are driving my desire for the MLM2 vs. R10. Thoughts?
DM there are already companies selling the stickers for "regular" balls to turn them into RPT balls. Apparently they cost about $1 for the stickers, but you can sharpie them if the dots start to wear. Might be an option.
It’s a good option. Just not for me though 😞 I spoke to Rapsodo and the RPT a pattern has a patent. So I wouldn’t want to produce content with using the stickers and then have legal issues around it 👍🏼
Glad I’m not producing content as I bought a jig on eBay and make every ball I use work (can’t stand Callaway, loyal Titleist player til I die). Jig and oil based paint marker FTW!
@@jackno5620any chance you have a link to that on eBay? Thank you!
Dave, whats the better value, the garmi. R10 or rapsodo?
I’ve got a final verdict video coming but I’ve been very careful to answer that question as I’ve still going through all that the MLM2PRO has to offer and want to make sure I give it the best chance possible. It’s a very good unit
Thx Dave, looking forward to the.future video, keep up the great work.
@@The_Fantasy_Arter thanks 😊
I really like these on course videos. I am a R10 owner. Can you do some more videos at the practice hole? Also do you like the RogueST driver better than the Paradigm? Thank you and keep making great videos.
Thanks Chris, the practise hole is in use at the moment but I’ll be getting the unit back on course with the rpt balls soon 😁 I like the Paradym but would be happy with either driver to be honest
Was that a bird that flew into play on the approach miss hit, 1st hole? How did you even make contact? Great videos David! ⛳️🤙
Yeah that was a bird but no excuses from my end, didn’t effect the shot. I don’t know what happened lol 😂
Hi David,
Love these videos, thank you.
Question, when you did this on course video, we’re you connected through the MLM2PRO WiFi or did you have a personal WiFi, or were you using cellular data? Thanks again and keep up the great work!
Direct connection to the units wifi
I found with mine it does not factor in wind or cold. Used a rangefinder at the range and the distances the mlm2pro were showing were way longer.
How much longer did it take on the course with the mlm2pro? I thought about doing it but with practice session instead of the course.
I think on course the distances were there or thereabouts jus the odd shot that was longer or shorter
I would guess you're right - not using RPT balls on the course threw off its accuracy for your spin axis and stuff on those initial tee shots, especially. Maybe it doesn't know the ball drew back a bit and showed it as a big block to the right (OB).
Could have been yes 👍🏼
@@davidmaxfieldgolf Selfishly, I would love to see you play the course with RPT balls. See if they'll send you a box for an on-course review!
@@robgillanofficial as soon as they’re available I will
Without the RPT balls you just will not get the accuracy the machine is capable of. Period. It cannot measure spin axis, so ball flight will not be accurate. To those posting complaints, this is just how the machine is designed. If used as designed, it is highly accurate. And useful. I see this as an indoor practice tool. It gives you good reliable data, indoors, that you can then bring to the course and apply real world. If you're on the range, you do not need a launch monitor to tell you direction and distance. It's all marked. If you want a machine that can perform outdoors, there are good options. For 5-6 times the price, but they are out there.
As far as those aftermarket stickers, they are not perfectly flush. With a ball spinning at > 3000 RPM, the stickers will alter ball flight. Won't matter hitting into a screen 8-10 ft away but will significantly when ball flies 100-200 yds. I would not use those stickers just so I can take this on the course.
True
Hey David. So I know you were originally all for the r10 and now you have done some serious testing of the mlm2. Will you be doing a video to talk about what might be the better option for certain golfer types? I am a 14-16 hdcp and would like to dial in my club distances, learn to shape my shots and play some sim rounds when I can’t get to the course and am curious what you think might be best. Thanks!
That video is definitely coming, hoping to film this week.
i guess the next step for you is to try the eye mini :D
Would love to if I knew who to contact
Hey David! I know this is an on course review, but i was wondering if you had tested the unit with those rainbowy foam balls. I wouldn’t care for spin rate once the unit delivers club data. It’d be great if you could reply! 🙏
Hey 👋 Sorry I don’t have any foam balls anymore. But it wouldn’t be able to give you anything that resembles a normal ball. It would definitely read the ball but you would be able to see your normal shot averages if thats what you’re looking for
@@davidmaxfieldgolf you got it! Thanks for the reply! 🫡
@@1b0o0 no worries
10 / 10 for putting sand on your divots.
👍🏼😁
Seems to me exactly what you are saying, potential to be a really good unit thats dealing with a lot of bugs.
The MAJOR issue i see is that without RCT balls its ok at best. They better fix that or it will forever be a flaw that will make unit ok/avg at best. Bugs can be worked out, but locking ppl in to 1 expensive ball to have accuracy its a massive mistake. I dont play Titleist and sure wont pay $55-70 for a dozen balls just so my $700 unit will be accurate.
Really need the RPT balls to get the most out of the unit for sure
You could just buy a GC quad instead, much more accurate
@@Hamlocks I don’t have $20k AUD for a quad
@@davidmaxfieldgolf ahh, this reply was supposed to be for fuzzy banana😂😂 but I suppose he can’t buy it either if he can’t afford 50 bucks for rpt balls
"target line" on the course differs from the "pin location" line 🤔
Not sure what you mean?
@@davidmaxfieldgolf not sure how to word it😂😂
so you play a draw pretty much religiously.
if you where to aim the mlm unit on your starting line (right of target) and not directly at the pin/centre fairway (intended finish) line.
it just seemed really odd that those first two drives where "OB" on the unit 🤷♂️
@@kevinconnolly754 first 2 drives didn’t draw much, blocked them
@@davidmaxfieldgolf just can't help but think if the unit was pointing directly where your club path was facing (out to the right) the camera would have picked up the full shot like it did indoors on the sim.
basically your hitting directly down the line on the sim, but across the line on the course
I like this idea of hitting balls until you hit one you like.I am in.
That’s what practise is all about 👍🏼
Just got mine and it has major connection issues
You have to update it and use direct connection to start
You don’t have to tell it what club you are using?
Apparently you can hold it up to the camera
@@davidmaxfieldgolf oh that would be cool to see in a video
The algorithm they used to create the courses made everything 20 yards off the fairway OB, no matter if it is or isn’t. Also it does not consider wind.
I’ve never had that problem at home, just on the course. I think it just must have been aligned the wrong way
I wouldn't want to get stuck behind a fourball trying to MLM2 every shot! 😂
😂😂
For now, at least, it definitely seems like the value of the data drops off a cliff if you don't use an RPT ball. It IS a radar device, I wonder if they'll ever add support for RCT balls and refine their algorithm for balls it can't track spin / spin axis. 🤞
I don’t think you would have the ability to have it read the rpt pattern and the RCT ball. I wouldn’t say it’s fallen off a Cliff as it did track quite a lot very accurately
@@davidmaxfieldgolf Yeah, I guess that was a bit dramatic, hahaha, I just mean that the accuracy is much higher as soon as it sees the RPT dots. Good test nonetheless.