Wow. Another cycling reviewer to add to the small group of Peak Torque, Hambini and Trace Velo who actually analyse the product rather than just telling us how great it feels on a ride! Which all of these things do, LOL. Very good. My only thought on the rear wheel is that 99% of consumers do not have the tools or inclination to run through the tests. So we would be oblivious to the issues. Elite saying they would work with customers to repair or replace is a very genuine offer I am sure. But very few people would ever be in a position to complain.
I have a set of D50s and have done over 20.000 km on them in year and a half. Ridden them all over Mallorca (including the 312), across Pyrenees, Alps, La Marmotte, from Singagpore, thru Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia and back to Thailand (7.000 km) - still straight as an arrow and ride wonderfully.
I feel my observations are valid for the wheels presented to me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
Thanks, Mike. Not a big fan of pointing out negatives on a brand that usually has a fantastic reputation….. not my style really, but this is what I saw 🤷🏻♂️
I’ve had this exact wheel set for about 2 years now and have been absolutely delighted with them. They are super light and feel great while climbing and in group rides. I did have an issue with the front hub tolerance that was only noticed during a bike shop service last summer (it had never caused an issue) however Elite’s customer service was fantastic. They sent me a new hub and spokes and paid for my LBS to put it all together for me. My well trusted LBS thought the wheels were great and that the issue he’d spotted really wasn’t much of one at all but as they were under warranty still I decided to contact them. I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend Elite and would buy from them again.
I feel my observations are valid for the wheels presented to me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
I have the same wheels, but in the rim brake version for over two years. I didn't check them when new, but after a year of riding I've found the rear wheel slightly out of true. No problem, adjusting two or three spokes, it's solved. Until now, they are great, responsive, stiff yet comfy. Also, I added a little bit of grease to the bearings in the beginning. And beautifull finish goes well with my Time VXS frame.
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. But I must share what was presented to me. Hopefully my subsequent videos on these wheels will set things straight.
I am considering a pair of Drive 40D wheels. After watching several reviews; I have yet to see a more thorough, balanced, and sensible review across all quantifiable metrics about which a wheel can be judged. Thank you, Ribble Valley for your thoughtful insights. I feel pretty confident in moving forward with such a purchase. I think odds are in my favor 🙂
Hi, Glad you found it useful. The issues I found in the wheels are more than likely due to impact, post-production. Whether that happened in the factory, or in transit, is debatable. I'll be doing a follow -up video where I address those issues before putting them on a bike. I feel you can purchase with confidence.
Great review! You earned yourself a sub. I bought the D50 wheels and for the price the performance is unbeatable (spent many weeks comparing different wheels at the same price point). I agree with the points you raised, mine fall within 10-15% tolerance in tension with a crappy measuring tool after almost a year of riding but that's good enough for me. I'm still very happy with my purchase.
I've had a set of these wheels for two years now, (50mm version) and I have not had a single problem. Gloss finish is still perfect, bearings are perfect and spoke tensions all pass on the 10%scale. And they seem super fast. Maybe the back wheel was a Friday afternoon wheel.!!!
I'd have to agree with you on that point, Tim. There are some things I spotted that may explain what happened here. I think a Sherlock Holmes style 'What happened to this wheel' video may follow.
Thanks, Alistair. Not a big fan of flagging negatives on a brand that overall, has a good reputation. But I must tell it as it is, from what I’ve been given.
I bought some lower-spec Elite wheels earlier this year, with steep spokes and bearings. I did the same runout tests you did and everything was where it should be. Same with spoke tension. And the bearings had a nice film of grease on them from the factory. Their QC seems to be on point, but there will be some outliers in every production run. I'm glad you gave an unvarnished review and it seems that Elite is open to critical suggestions.
I feel my observations are valid for the wheels presented to me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
I have watched all three of your videos on Elite and ICAN Wheels. I have ridden the Elite Drive G45 SS wheels twice in two editions of the Desert Dash MTB/Gravel race (220km through the Namib desert in Namibia). On both occasions I paired them with Michelin Power Gravel 47C tyres. My impression from both races is that you could mount these wheels to a donkey cart and you would still be doing 40 km an hour on gnarly African gravel. (The Michelins are also blistering fast!) People tell me it is because the (ceramic?) hubs are so smooth. So, I can't wait for your video on the riding experience on these wheels and hope you compare the feel and speed to the ICAN Gravel wheels. Thank you!
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. But I must share what was presented to me. Hopefully my subsequent videos on these wheels will set things straight.
mr ribble thank you for comprehensive video about elite wheels. the box look pristine which raise the concern of the rear wheel alignment . fortunately i do not have the tools to measure this. my box have some holes and dents. the reached up to wheel foam bag but wheel is ok. let us hope they can address issues like this quickly.
Been running my Elite Drive 45s for over 18 months now. They have been brilliant. I would say they are better than my previous Vision Metrons for a fraction of the cost.
I had the 50 D wheels since a year, happy but I had to change the bearings of the rear wheel twice! However the costumer service is impeccable! The bearings were send to me for free! Maybe for damp conditions like UK or CH you are better off with stainless steel bearings!
I've done about 5000km on my 45 front 50 back Elite Drive's with 32mm GT5000's and ride lovely, the one thing I think they standout for me is because the rim is so light, they cut through sidewind really well, highly recommend Elite and looking at buying the gravel wheelset from them for my winter bike
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. But I must share what was presented to me. I think I'll do a bit of digging into what can be done with that back wheel. May end up doing a video on it.
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. But I must share what was presented to me. Hopefully my subsequent videos on these wheels will set things straight.
I own 2 pair of the pro 33 xc mtb wheels from Elite. One has their proprietary pro hub and the other has dt swiss 240. They both have Sapim x ray spokes. I have abused them endlessly and never had an issue. Into year 3 on the first pair with the elite pro hubs and I’m just getting around to service the hubs. The rear is a little loud both they still roll perfect and are completely true. I’m a believer.
I feel my observations are valid for the wheels presented to me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
I was into them before they were popular 😂Took a punt on an entry level set of elite rim brake with pillar steel spokes and OEM hub.about 6 years ago,only had to change freehub bearing in that time.440 euro delivered. Absolute bargain. Trusted them and with that in mind went for 88mm front and full disk for TT.800euro for the set. Also fantastic. So much so went for gravel set steel spokes,OEM hub 400 euro . Only place I go for wheels in Asia.
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. But I must share what was presented to me. Hopefully my subsequent videos on these wheels will set things straight.
I love the perspective you give us, instead "they are light, cheap and rides pretty fast." This said I would love to see a review from you of the Farsports Evo S Wheels. They are amazing light (1190g for the 50mm wheels), have Ceramic Speed Bearings, carbon spokes etc. for 1699 USD.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. 👍 I did actually email Farsports some time ago. Unfortunately, they never replied. Those stats sound like you're getting a lot of wheel for your money.
I respect the review of the wheels you received, but my own experience differs. Mine were both perfect. Additionally, they have proved bullet proof over 3,000km so far, during which time I have had catastrophic pot-hole impacts destroying a front and a rear tyre (sidewall tears). In both cases, the wheel suffered only minor scuffing, is still true and retained the tyre. I would recommend them to anyone looking for lightweight wheels.
I feel my observations are valid for the wheels presented to me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
Excellent video, with a thorough review. I would definitely agree with the spoke engagement. Something that would scare the hell out of me on a ride. Elite didn't agree with you , well? , suppose that would open a door they wouldn't like to go through. They might privately go ahead and review the spoke engagement and update.
@@ribblevalleycyclist You could do no less, and you were very fair in the assessment of what you received. But I also felt it was important to add my own experience in order to provide balance.
I have a pair. A pain to true them but super happy with my purchase overall. 10.000k, one truing and one change of bearings. The rim brake version makes a super funny sound when you brake due to the cutouts in the braking surface I presume.
I suspect my observations here are valid for the wheels supplied, but not necessary a true representation of the brand overall. However, I must tell it as I see, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
Great review. I wasn’t sure what to expect. I have a set of 65D’s and I love them. I actually bought them for my gravel bike but they were so beautiful that I swapped out a set of DT Swiss wheel for them and then just did some horse trading with some of my other bikes to get deep section wheel on my gravel bike. I’m a heavier rider so I like how stiff and responsive they are. Now that I’ve watched this, I’m curious about the trueness of the wheels so when I get a chance I’m going to chuck them up in the truing stand and measure the runout.
I was thinking that would be a good idea. Between the runout on the rim and the non uniformity of the spoke tension, I can’t help but to think that truing the rim a little would resolve the issues.
If you want the measurements specs of Reserves or Enve buy the D45 with 24mm internal. I'm using them as road wheels and the ride is so comfortable and still fast
Good review! I recently tested a set of these wheels in Flanders. .On the Koppenberg..they were stiff AF. Definitely need to drop the tyre pressure a tad more when riding on cobbles😅
10:45 getting these wheels to under 0.2 radially, laterally and center WITH spoke tension at 5% max, is near impossible. I spent half a day doing these, got it close but it for sure is not 5%, also this cheap tension meter is kinda ... yea not great (the Parktool one sucks also, it's just it depends on where you measure the spoke, how quickly you let go and on top of all that the precision is terrible). I would recommend getting the digital one from Toopre, is not that expensive - 30$ or so and is extremely smooth, consistent and precise, no need for the 450$ top end digital meter. Edit: was dealing with customer service for quite a bit and they are very good!
It's worth watching some of my other wheel videos, they all do better than this, and some get close to perfect. Nepest did very well. Measuring the spoke. I use the rule of 3 & 3. I always put three fingers between the bottom of the tool and the rim, and measure three times. You then take the average. The Toopre digital spoke tool...... I'll buy one and give it a try. Thanks for your thoughts 👍
@@ribblevalleycyclist I did watch quite a few of your videos, always learning something, thank you for all the content! This is only time I felt like commenting because I spent a lot of time on the topic as I couldn't stand that the wheel is not 100% perfect, but after learning a lot about the topic I realized that there is no 100% perfect. And in the end even if someone spends whole day to get it under 0.1 on all 3 metrics, the tire will not be perfect anyway, especially if not new. Anyway, the digital spoke tool, that is a spoke measuring nirvana compared to these mechanical ones, I bet you will love it :)
@@FliskerX Agreed, you'll never get it 100% perfect, and I think I usually say this in my videos. But I think smaller brands are doing a better job than we've seen here. And agreed, the tyre can quickly undo your good work!! Have looked at the Toopre in the past, and am looking forward to giving it a try.
The ones sent to me by Elitewheels directly, and the ones currently being shown on their website, are of the 4 pawl design: www.elite-wheels.com/product/drive-40mm-disc-brake-carbon-spoke-wheelset-ceramic-bearing/
Another fantastic video. Is there any chance of doing a tutorial on adjusting the alignment of a chainset to get the correct chain line, particularly for a double chainwheel? I don’t feel that the videos that are up on YT deal with this well enough. Thanks.
Great detailed review. BUT are the more expensive wheel manufactures any better and are their testing results any better. Regarding ceramic bearings, are they any better than steel for the price. If you were to get 5 sets of wheels from EliteWheels I bet each one would have different test results. As long as your wheels you're riding are in very acceptable condition then that's ok and remember noting is perfect in this world.
Do you get to keep all those wheels you reviewed? I really like EliteWheels basically based on price, nowadays we see new wheelset coming with full bike's prices, so Elite (with a bunch of other chinese brands) feels important to keep a balance in pricing
Doesn't seem too bad, new wheel can always be trued to perfection, I would be more worried of how they hold up over time because of the carbon spokes. Their normal spoke offering seems more interesting for me, 50mm disc 2 wheels are about the same weight as these ones for about 700e with shipping on AliExpress.
@aleksarajkovic3471 I suspect the wheel was originally true. Thinking of following this one up with a video where I try and work out what happened to them, and how to put them right.
i am currently waiting a shipment of this wheelset and as i observe the tracking update, it took 22.5 hours of travel from from its origin country to mine. whether it took air logistic or by cargo shipment i do know. in case of air freight, the carbon and alloy contacts of this wheelset may be exposed to high amplitude high vibration resulting to unwanted changes which mr. ribble was talking about. the box may not be damaged because the box was built to absorbed those transit vibrations especially in an express air freight. however the wheelset itself despite the it was secured enough cannot escape this matter. in air freight, this fast oscillating high amplitude vibrations may resonate and alter the tuning of these wheel spokes while sea freight is almost zero existence. this is just a conclusion because we do not know how was the wheelset was transited from its origin to destination.
I suspect my observations here are valid for the wheels put in front of me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
Further issues have been found with the wheels. I won’t be using them until the problems are fixed. I’ll be producing another video explaining things in detail. Thanks, Jon.
The rear brake doesn't have much braking load on it compared to the front, 70%-30%. I don't think the rear is going to be problematic if its straight pull on the brake side
I don't think a team of engineers would have a spoke/hub interface approved if there was a safety concern. Out of the hundreds and thousands of wheelsets being riden with the same design, how many have experienced that type of failure? To be far, its a bit of a reach.
I’ve just ordered some of the new Elitewheels g36 wheels have I made a mistake ? They come with Sapim cx ray spokes.. hope I haven’t made a bad purchase should I cancel.. Pete 🚴🏻👍
Hi Pete, I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. Hopefully my subsequent videos on these wheels will set things straight. I really don’t think you’ve got anything to worry about.
@n22pdf If you have the money, then go for it. Personally, I feel the standard hub is more than adequate, especially with its captive spoke fitting. Additionally, Elitewheels offer all of the spares you’ll ever need, so you’ll have no issue servicing them in the future. Personally, I would go for the stock hub.
Can you offer any comparison opinions of these against something like the new farsports S5 or winspace hyper 3? Lots of good sales now and fearing my orange menace potus is going to tarrif the snot out of all of these if i wait until spring time.
Surely, a company of Elites size, growth and UCI status should know that seals (or labyrinth) in end caps and applying grease to the outside of the bearing should be normal and the answer of 'that's a great / fantastic idea' comes across as slightly strange to me. With reference to the wheels, I'd never ride on hubs without spoke capture and if the rear was out of true because of transport damage, why was the front perfect 🤔
Let’s be honest, the people who buy wheels like this aren’t going to be riding them in the rain are they? I’ll stick with my Mavic open pros on Shimano hubs with stainless steel spokes!
@@Michael-s5i5j It's a pointless task. Every rider running disc has to use a rotor, so there is no point in weighing the wheel with a rotor. Additionally, rotors vary in size, compound, density and design, so the weight from one rotor to another can vary massively. This'd be like weighing the wheel with a cassette on it, because we all use a cassette. However, putting the disc on when weighing would give the 'Rim Brake Mafia' something to gloat over.
Happy to say outright in public Dave, it's the ICAN G25's..... They're amazing for the money. If I was spending my own money, I'd buy the ICAN, no questions asked. Here you go.... Discount code too!!: ➡️ icancycling.com/?ref=RIBBLE& 5% Discount Code💰: RIBBLE
I'm running Elitewheels G45 with steel spokes. I got them on my road bike, 24mm internal, which is what the best pros are running on expensive Enve or Reserve
The hubs are unsafe. These rims will completely fail if one spoke fails. The rim will come unlaced and separate from the hub. This design should be outlawed by the uci. That being said I have 4 sets of elite wheels and love them all.
I dont care about the hub design as long as it works. I made the mistake of buying Shimano XT hubs without any investigation. Turns out they are a silly design prone to creaking and with a silly plastic piece that breaks. Cup and cone bearings. The rest of the XT group is amazing. Dont buy the hubs.
Very similar experience. Front wheel is out of true and definitely more than 1 mm. Front rim brakes are at least 2.5 mm space each side otherwise it would rub. Waiting for their customer support to reply. Disappointing.
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Elite clearly didn't send a specially selected wheel for review. That's actually quite good.
Looks like it.
Wow. Another cycling reviewer to add to the small group of Peak Torque, Hambini and Trace Velo who actually analyse the product rather than just telling us how great it feels on a ride! Which all of these things do, LOL. Very good.
My only thought on the rear wheel is that 99% of consumers do not have the tools or inclination to run through the tests. So we would be oblivious to the issues. Elite saying they would work with customers to repair or replace is a very genuine offer I am sure. But very few people would ever be in a position to complain.
Being listed in that company is a huge compliment…… Thank you 👍
I have a set of D50s and have done over 20.000 km on them in year and a half. Ridden them all over Mallorca (including the 312), across Pyrenees, Alps, La Marmotte, from Singagpore, thru Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia and back to Thailand (7.000 km) - still straight as an arrow and ride wonderfully.
I feel my observations are valid for the wheels presented to me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
Love to see your honest, critical reviews. Respectful of both viewers and the manufacturer. Thanks.
Thanks, Mike. Not a big fan of pointing out negatives on a brand that usually has a fantastic reputation….. not my style really, but this is what I saw 🤷🏻♂️
I like to add i been using this wheel from 5 years one think i like to say about the quality and customer service is Excellent ❤
Best review of Drive Elite wheels anywhere on the net
Thanks 👍
I’ve had this exact wheel set for about 2 years now and have been absolutely delighted with them. They are super light and feel great while climbing and in group rides. I did have an issue with the front hub tolerance that was only noticed during a bike shop service last summer (it had never caused an issue) however Elite’s customer service was fantastic. They sent me a new hub and spokes and paid for my LBS to put it all together for me.
My well trusted LBS thought the wheels were great and that the issue he’d spotted really wasn’t much of one at all but as they were under warranty still I decided to contact them.
I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend Elite and would buy from them again.
I feel my observations are valid for the wheels presented to me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
BS and I guess pigs can fly😂
I have the same wheels, but in the rim brake version for over two years. I didn't check them when new, but after a year of riding I've found the rear wheel slightly out of true. No problem, adjusting two or three spokes, it's solved. Until now, they are great, responsive, stiff yet comfy. Also, I added a little bit of grease to the bearings in the beginning. And beautifull finish goes well with my Time VXS frame.
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. But I must share what was presented to me. Hopefully my subsequent videos on these wheels will set things straight.
I am considering a pair of Drive 40D wheels. After watching several reviews; I have yet to see a more thorough, balanced, and sensible review across all quantifiable metrics about which a wheel can be judged. Thank you, Ribble Valley for your thoughtful insights. I feel pretty confident in moving forward with such a purchase. I think odds are in my favor 🙂
Hi, Glad you found it useful. The issues I found in the wheels are more than likely due to impact, post-production. Whether that happened in the factory, or in transit, is debatable. I'll be doing a follow -up video where I address those issues before putting them on a bike.
I feel you can purchase with confidence.
Great review! You earned yourself a sub. I bought the D50 wheels and for the price the performance is unbeatable (spent many weeks comparing different wheels at the same price point). I agree with the points you raised, mine fall within 10-15% tolerance in tension with a crappy measuring tool after almost a year of riding but that's good enough for me. I'm still very happy with my purchase.
Welcome onboard Finrecon1. Am in the process of making a video where I address the problems found it this video, watch this space!!
Another quality video. I really enjoy the level of detail you go into on all factors regarding the makeup of the wheels. Keep up the excellent work 👏🏼
Wheel videos are the most time consuming..... Glad you enjoyed it 👍
I've had a set of these wheels for two years now, (50mm version) and I have not had a single problem. Gloss finish is still perfect, bearings are perfect and spoke tensions all pass on the 10%scale. And they seem super fast. Maybe the back wheel was a Friday afternoon wheel.!!!
I'd have to agree with you on that point, Tim. There are some things I spotted that may explain what happened here. I think a Sherlock Holmes style 'What happened to this wheel' video may follow.
Another excellent and fair review Jon. Keep up the good work.
Glad you enjoyed it 👍
Excellent and unbiased evaluation Jon, thank you very much indeed.
Thanks, Alistair. Not a big fan of flagging negatives on a brand that overall, has a good reputation. But I must tell it as it is, from what I’ve been given.
I bought some lower-spec Elite wheels earlier this year, with steep spokes and bearings. I did the same runout tests you did and everything was where it should be. Same with spoke tension. And the bearings had a nice film of grease on them from the factory. Their QC seems to be on point, but there will be some outliers in every production run. I'm glad you gave an unvarnished review and it seems that Elite is open to critical suggestions.
I feel my observations are valid for the wheels presented to me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
@@ribblevalleycyclist Hear hear! Always appreciate your tests, warts and all!
Thanks, Rudi 👍
love my 65D’s, 6 months and good as new
I have watched all three of your videos on Elite and ICAN Wheels.
I have ridden the Elite Drive G45 SS wheels twice in two editions of the Desert Dash MTB/Gravel race (220km through the Namib desert in Namibia). On both occasions I paired them with Michelin Power Gravel 47C tyres.
My impression from both races is that you could mount these wheels to a donkey cart and you would still be doing 40 km an hour on gnarly African gravel. (The Michelins are also blistering fast!)
People tell me it is because the (ceramic?) hubs are so smooth.
So, I can't wait for your video on the riding experience on these wheels and hope you compare the feel and speed to the ICAN Gravel wheels.
Thank you!
Love your videos! They are always very informative and interesting, especially if you wish to become a bike mechanic. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you like them! 👍
Looking forward to the ride review, very interesting at that price. Lets hope they address the issues you have pointed out
Hopefully my subsequent videos on these wheels will set things straight.
I ride DRIVE 50V's, I LOVE them!
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. But I must share what was presented to me. Hopefully my subsequent videos on these wheels will set things straight.
Superb review methodology. Looking forward to the second video. And hoping for you to have an opportunity to review more mainstream brands.
Thanks, Fabian. I personally run 4 sets of HUNT wheels, so think a video on how they've been would be good.
mr ribble thank you for comprehensive video about elite wheels. the box look pristine which raise the concern of the rear wheel alignment . fortunately i do not have the tools to measure this. my box have some holes and dents. the reached up to wheel foam bag but wheel is ok. let us hope they can address issues like this quickly.
Been running my Elite Drive 45s for over 18 months now. They have been brilliant. I would say they are better than my previous Vision Metrons for a fraction of the cost.
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand.
I had the 50 D wheels since a year, happy but I had to change the bearings of the rear wheel twice! However the costumer service is impeccable! The bearings were send to me for free! Maybe for damp conditions like UK or CH you are better off with stainless steel bearings!
Agreed, a stainless steel NTN would be my choice
awesome! Very tecnic, impartial and offered a precious informations!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very good and thorough review
Thanks 👍
I've done about 5000km on my 45 front 50 back Elite Drive's with 32mm GT5000's and ride lovely, the one thing I think they standout for me is because the rim is so light, they cut through sidewind really well, highly recommend Elite and looking at buying the gravel wheelset from them for my winter bike
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. But I must share what was presented to me.
I think I'll do a bit of digging into what can be done with that back wheel. May end up doing a video on it.
@@ribblevalleycyclist Look forward to watcing that 😀
My 50D seem quite ok. I like riding them a lot. But your comment about the grease and endcap and hub designs is a legit critique.
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. But I must share what was presented to me. Hopefully my subsequent videos on these wheels will set things straight.
I own 2 pair of the pro 33 xc mtb wheels from Elite. One has their proprietary pro hub and the other has dt swiss 240. They both have Sapim x ray spokes. I have abused them endlessly and never had an issue. Into year 3 on the first pair with the elite pro hubs and I’m just getting around to service the hubs. The rear is a little loud both they still roll perfect and are completely true. I’m a believer.
I feel my observations are valid for the wheels presented to me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
I was into them before they were popular 😂Took a punt on an entry level set of elite rim brake with pillar steel spokes and OEM hub.about 6 years ago,only had to change freehub bearing in that time.440 euro delivered. Absolute bargain.
Trusted them and with that in mind went for 88mm front and full disk for TT.800euro for the set.
Also fantastic.
So much so went for gravel set steel spokes,OEM hub 400 euro .
Only place I go for wheels in Asia.
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. But I must share what was presented to me. Hopefully my subsequent videos on these wheels will set things straight.
Perfect !!
Thanks 👍
I love the perspective you give us, instead "they are light, cheap and rides pretty fast."
This said I would love to see a review from you of the Farsports Evo S Wheels. They are amazing light (1190g for the 50mm wheels), have Ceramic Speed Bearings, carbon spokes etc. for 1699 USD.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. 👍
I did actually email Farsports some time ago. Unfortunately, they never replied. Those stats sound like you're getting a lot of wheel for your money.
I respect the review of the wheels you received, but my own experience differs. Mine were both perfect. Additionally, they have proved bullet proof over 3,000km so far, during which time I have had catastrophic pot-hole impacts destroying a front and a rear tyre (sidewall tears). In both cases, the wheel suffered only minor scuffing, is still true and retained the tyre. I would recommend them to anyone looking for lightweight wheels.
I feel my observations are valid for the wheels presented to me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
Excellent video, with a thorough review. I would definitely agree with the spoke engagement. Something that would scare the hell out of me on a ride. Elite didn't agree with you , well? , suppose that would open a door they wouldn't like to go through. They might privately go ahead and review the spoke engagement and update.
@@ribblevalleycyclist You could do no less, and you were very fair in the assessment of what you received. But I also felt it was important to add my own experience in order to provide balance.
When compared with my hopeless Jaguar suv, these high end Chinese made wheelset are unbelievable great buys.
Woow. Great Video Sir! Many thanks
Glad you liked it!
I have a pair. A pain to true them but super happy with my purchase overall. 10.000k, one truing and one change of bearings.
The rim brake version makes a super funny sound when you brake due to the cutouts in the braking surface I presume.
I think I'll do a bit of digging into what can be done with that back wheel. May end up doing a video on it.
Elite's gloss finish is more vulnerable to dings vs other brands. Other than that they are an excellent value. Would buy again.
I suspect my observations here are valid for the wheels supplied, but not necessary a true representation of the brand overall. However, I must tell it as I see, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
I’ve had a pair with that finish for two years and there’s not a mark on them
really enjoying your vids
Thanks 👍
Great review. I wasn’t sure what to expect. I have a set of 65D’s and I love them. I actually bought them for my gravel bike but they were so beautiful that I swapped out a set of DT Swiss wheel for them and then just did some horse trading with some of my other bikes to get deep section wheel on my gravel bike. I’m a heavier rider so I like how stiff and responsive they are. Now that I’ve watched this, I’m curious about the trueness of the wheels so when I get a chance I’m going to chuck them up in the truing stand and measure the runout.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thinking of following this one up with a video where I try and work out what happened to them, and how to put them right.
I was thinking that would be a good idea. Between the runout on the rim and the non uniformity of the spoke tension, I can’t help but to think that truing the rim a little would resolve the issues.
Great video. Learned a lot.
Glad you enjoyed it!
If you want the measurements specs of Reserves or Enve buy the D45 with 24mm internal.
I'm using them as road wheels and the ride is so comfortable and still fast
Great review thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good review! I recently tested a set of these wheels in Flanders. .On the Koppenberg..they were stiff AF. Definitely need to drop the tyre pressure a tad more when riding on cobbles😅
I've tested a few carbon spoked wheels recently, and run a set on my summer bike. You do notice the bumps more. Yeah, maybe not on the pavé 😐
Great vid, Sir
Thank you 👍
Good objective review
Thanks 👍
10:45 getting these wheels to under 0.2 radially, laterally and center WITH spoke tension at 5% max, is near impossible. I spent half a day doing these, got it close but it for sure is not 5%, also this cheap tension meter is kinda ... yea not great (the Parktool one sucks also, it's just it depends on where you measure the spoke, how quickly you let go and on top of all that the precision is terrible). I would recommend getting the digital one from Toopre, is not that expensive - 30$ or so and is extremely smooth, consistent and precise, no need for the 450$ top end digital meter.
Edit: was dealing with customer service for quite a bit and they are very good!
It's worth watching some of my other wheel videos, they all do better than this, and some get close to perfect. Nepest did very well.
Measuring the spoke. I use the rule of 3 & 3. I always put three fingers between the bottom of the tool and the rim, and measure three times. You then take the average. The Toopre digital spoke tool...... I'll buy one and give it a try.
Thanks for your thoughts 👍
@@ribblevalleycyclist I did watch quite a few of your videos, always learning something, thank you for all the content!
This is only time I felt like commenting because I spent a lot of time on the topic as I couldn't stand that the wheel is not 100% perfect, but after learning a lot about the topic I realized that there is no 100% perfect. And in the end even if someone spends whole day to get it under 0.1 on all 3 metrics, the tire will not be perfect anyway, especially if not new.
Anyway, the digital spoke tool, that is a spoke measuring nirvana compared to these mechanical ones, I bet you will love it :)
@@FliskerX Agreed, you'll never get it 100% perfect, and I think I usually say this in my videos. But I think smaller brands are doing a better job than we've seen here. And agreed, the tyre can quickly undo your good work!! Have looked at the Toopre in the past, and am looking forward to giving it a try.
Great review, thanks for the details. Elitewheels also has £300 set on aliexpress, I wonder how good that one is.
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand.
3:05 Elitewheels' sets on Aliexpress in this price range are almost all coming with ratchet hubs. Maybe it's an old batch perhaps?
The ones sent to me by Elitewheels directly, and the ones currently being shown on their website, are of the 4 pawl design:
www.elite-wheels.com/product/drive-40mm-disc-brake-carbon-spoke-wheelset-ceramic-bearing/
Another fantastic video. Is there any chance of doing a tutorial on adjusting the alignment of a chainset to get the correct chain line, particularly for a double chainwheel? I don’t feel that the videos that are up on YT deal with this well enough. Thanks.
They now have a UK service centre. Based in Norfolk. But we can work with anyone in UK.
Hi Ben, Yeah, I've been told about this. Two in the UK now, Kinks Lynne & London. I'll be saying this in the next video about these wheels.
I can feel the frustration Burn shown… but we go again!!! #howay
It's a shame to see such nice wheels getting damaged.
@@ribblevalleycyclist sorry mate commented on the wrong video hahaha! My bad!
It took some random UA-camr to clue a major wheel manufacturer in to using grease and rubber seals? lol
Great review.
Some random UA-camr……. Is that me then???? 😂
@@ribblevalleycyclist no offense intended
Haha….. None taken 👍👍
Great detailed review. BUT are the more expensive wheel manufactures any better and are their testing results any better. Regarding ceramic bearings, are they any better than steel for the price. If you were to get 5 sets of wheels from EliteWheels I bet each one would have different test results. As long as your wheels you're riding are in very acceptable condition then that's ok and remember noting is perfect in this world.
Do you get to keep all those wheels you reviewed? I really like EliteWheels basically based on price, nowadays we see new wheelset coming with full bike's prices, so Elite (with a bunch of other chinese brands) feels important to keep a balance in pricing
Yes, I do. I think all of the videos I've made recently have really opened my eyes when it comes to carbon wheels.
Doesn't seem too bad, new wheel can always be trued to perfection, I would be more worried of how they hold up over time because of the carbon spokes. Their normal spoke offering seems more interesting for me, 50mm disc 2 wheels are about the same weight as these ones for about 700e with shipping on AliExpress.
The trueness doesn't really concern me, because it's still a safe wheel. But the spoke tension is of concern.
@@ribblevalleycyclist yep, but those 2 are connected, especially on carbon rims, unless as you mentioned a rim itself is not made ,,straight,,😅
@aleksarajkovic3471 I suspect the wheel was originally true. Thinking of following this one up with a video where I try and work out what happened to them, and how to put them right.
@@ribblevalleycyclist that would be nice, keep up an amazing work😁
i am currently waiting a shipment of this wheelset and as i observe the tracking update, it took 22.5 hours of travel from from its origin country to mine. whether it took air logistic or by cargo shipment i do know. in case of air freight, the carbon and alloy contacts of this wheelset may be exposed to high amplitude high vibration resulting to unwanted changes which mr. ribble was talking about. the box may not be damaged because the box was built to absorbed those transit vibrations especially in an express air freight. however the wheelset itself despite the it was secured enough cannot escape this matter. in air freight, this fast oscillating high amplitude vibrations may resonate and alter the tuning of these wheel spokes while sea freight is almost zero existence. this is just a conclusion because we do not know how was the wheelset was transited from its origin to destination.
I suspect my observations here are valid for the wheels put in front of me, but may not be a true representation of the brand overall. And this is why I state in the video “This is just one set of wheels”. However, I must tell it as I see it, from what is put before me. Further evaluations of these wheels may well set things straight.
22 hours? Definitely air freight.
@@doctorscoot hopefully it will come this weekend. i will make and full unbox video about it. let us see the product.
@@doctorscoot after my first message, it arrived! definitely an air freight!
please test Lun Grapid too. 🙏
When we can expect update u mentioned in comments?
Further issues have been found with the wheels. I won’t be using them until the problems are fixed. I’ll be producing another video explaining things in detail. Thanks, Jon.
I'm in the process of ordering them in 50d version, is it anything that should steer me off?
@jerchhocevar427 No, you can buy with confidence. The quality of the wheels generally is very good. The ones that were sent to me were damaged.
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The rear brake doesn't have much braking load on it compared to the front, 70%-30%. I don't think the rear is going to be problematic if its straight pull on the brake side
I don't think a team of engineers would have a spoke/hub interface approved if there was a safety concern. Out of the hundreds and thousands of wheelsets being riden with the same design, how many have experienced that type of failure? To be far, its a bit of a reach.
I’ve just ordered some of the new Elitewheels g36 wheels have I made a mistake ? They come with Sapim cx ray spokes.. hope I haven’t made a bad purchase should I cancel.. Pete 🚴🏻👍
Hi Pete,
I think we've got an example here of when something goes wrong for what is normally a good brand. Hopefully my subsequent videos on these wheels will set things straight.
I really don’t think you’ve got anything to worry about.
@ thanks dude.. do you think I should pay extra change the hubs to DT Swiss 350s ? Pete
@n22pdf If you have the money, then go for it. Personally, I feel the standard hub is more than adequate, especially with its captive spoke fitting. Additionally, Elitewheels offer all of the spares you’ll ever need, so you’ll have no issue servicing them in the future. Personally, I would go for the stock hub.
@@ribblevalleycyclistthanks stuck with the stock hub as need QR
Can you offer any comparison opinions of these against something like the new farsports S5 or winspace hyper 3? Lots of good sales now and fearing my orange menace potus is going to tarrif the snot out of all of these if i wait until spring time.
I've contacted both of those brands in the past, and asked if they'd like their wheels featuring..... I didn't get a reply!!
How does this scrutiny compare to big brand wheels at the same performance range?
will they be making wider wheels in the near future?
Elitewheels offer a gravel version in their Drive range, these are wider. 👍
Pls review crws
Are those the wheels from Joe from China Cycling?
@ribblevalleycyclist they are sir
Anyone have any experience with the Elitewheels SLR? Was looking into a pair for the next riding season. Seems like a nice blend of cost and value.
Really don’t like that the spokes aren’t captive. If one snaps the rest can detension and all come out leading to catastrophic failure.
A point I ain't gonna disagree with 🤔
Surely, a company of Elites size, growth and UCI status should know that seals (or labyrinth) in end caps and applying grease to the outside of the bearing should be normal and the answer of 'that's a great / fantastic idea' comes across as slightly strange to me. With reference to the wheels, I'd never ride on hubs without spoke capture and if the rear was out of true because of transport damage, why was the front perfect 🤔
Absolutely. "disingenuous" was the word I was thinking of when I heard their response
Yes that is not an engineering response...more like a secretary/admin reply.
Let’s be honest, the people who buy wheels like this aren’t going to be riding them in the rain are they? I’ll stick with my Mavic open pros on Shimano hubs with stainless steel spokes!
Thing is - the spokes are not "secured" ....
I mean how disappointing it will be, when a 3x more expensive zipp hookless will kill you randomly
I think disc wheels should be weighed with disc in situ to truly compare with a rim brake wheel
Why?
@ because the wheel cannot be used without a brake,of course it is built in with a rim brake wheel.
@@Michael-s5i5j It's a pointless task. Every rider running disc has to use a rotor, so there is no point in weighing the wheel with a rotor. Additionally, rotors vary in size, compound, density and design, so the weight from one rotor to another can vary massively. This'd be like weighing the wheel with a cassette on it, because we all use a cassette. However, putting the disc on when weighing would give the 'Rim Brake Mafia' something to gloat over.
I’m looking to get some gravel carbon wheels to do a build after Xmas so might send you a message which ones you think are the best 😊
Happy to say outright in public Dave, it's the ICAN G25's..... They're amazing for the money. If I was spending my own money, I'd buy the ICAN, no questions asked. Here you go.... Discount code too!!:
➡️ icancycling.com/?ref=RIBBLE&
5% Discount Code💰: RIBBLE
I'm running Elitewheels G45 with steel spokes.
I got them on my road bike, 24mm internal, which is what the best pros are running on expensive Enve or Reserve
The hubs are unsafe. These rims will completely fail if one spoke fails. The rim will come unlaced and separate from the hub. This design should be outlawed by the uci. That being said I have 4 sets of elite wheels and love them all.
Not wide enough internal rim width, outdated imo
Must buy the normal traditional spokes. Carbon spokes are not reliable. Should be overall better built with the alloy spokes
I dont care about the hub design as long as it works. I made the mistake of buying Shimano XT hubs without any investigation. Turns out they are a silly design prone to creaking and with a silly plastic piece that breaks. Cup and cone bearings. The rest of the XT group is amazing. Dont buy the hubs.
In all fairness, I like a cup & cone…. You know where you are with it, and you can fix it with a hammer and lard.
@ribblevalleycyclist actually the cup and cone part is fine. It's not the part people are having trouble with.
Very similar experience. Front wheel is out of true and definitely more than 1 mm. Front rim brakes are at least 2.5 mm space each side otherwise it would rub. Waiting for their customer support to reply. Disappointing.
Hmm…… Interesting. I’ll be doing a follow up video where I put them right.
Try buying spare parts for these once China has invaded Taiwan.
their finish looks like a squished bin bag by the side of the road
To be fair, in the flesh (As it were), it looks pretty darn slick!
Could be worse... Could have been an African wheelset. 😉
Or American 😅
@@johndef5075 Africans to this day never invented the wheel John.
Elite wheels il have a set of free wheels please Rim Brake Version 🎡🎡