To be fair, the quote is “whenever a child says 'I don't believe in fairies' there's a little fairy somewhere that falls right down dead,” so it doesn't specifically have to be the same exact kid whose first laugh birthed them. I forgot the specific movie, but I _swear_ there was one where Hook begins saying "I don't believe in fairies" over and over again so the group of fairies in front of him begin dropping like flies. Like, straight up on-screen 1st degree fairy murder.
@@-VoDkAsVengeance- Right. Barrie’s original book doesn’t say it has to be the same kid. The exact passage about the beginning of fairies is: _“You see, Wendy, when the first baby laughed for the first time, its laugh broke into a thousand pieces, and they all went skipping about, and that was the beginning of fairies.”_ _Tedious talk this, but being a stay-at-home she liked it._ _“And so,” he went on good-naturedly, “there ought to be one fairy for every boy and girl.”_ _“Ought to be? Isn’t there?”_ _“No. You see children know such a lot now, they soon don’t believe in fairies, and every time a child says, ‘I don’t believe in fairies,’ there is a fairy somewhere that falls down dead.”_ Now whether that means the first baby’s laugh became 1000 fairies, and every subsequent baby only created one, we don’t know. Later, once they get back from Neverland: _“I thought all the fairies were dead,” Mrs. Darling said._ _“There are always a lot of young ones,” explained Wendy, who was now quite an authority, “because you see when a new baby laughs for the first time a new fairy is born, and as there are always new babies there are always new fairies. They live in nests on the tops of trees; and the mauve ones are boys and the white ones are girls, and the blue ones are just little sillies who are not sure what they are.”_ I tried to convince my friends that they needed to put an iron cage around their baby’s head until she had her first laugh, since iron traps fairies according to folklore, but for some reason they were opposed to the idea! 😂😉
The fact that there’s just a (mostly) finished Tinkerbell movie starring Brittany Murphy somewhere in Disney’s basement that has never been seen before by the public is both intriguing and somewhat terrifying to me.
I Lowkey hope that one day some massive Disney leak happens like the one that happened with Nintendo pretty recently where just EVERYTHING gets shared to the public including this movie
This message won't be related to this video but i promise that the message will be a good message and not a bad one and the message is: Will there be a Tangled 2?Keep these scenes in the film:1.Rapunzel stuffs her mouth while eating cookies thus making Rapunzel's cheeks puff out very much and Eugene says "how romantic, i have never seen any one eating like that and that way of eating is awesome" and Rapunzel says in a muffled voice "thank you" and Eugene says "you're welcome" and Rapunzel makes a very big swallow thus finishing her snack.2.Mother Gothel gets revived by her cloak's magic and her cloak fell out of the tower when Pascal used Rapunzel's cut off long hair to make Mother Gothel fall off her tower in back in 2010 and Mother Gothel takes off her cloak and she is very hungry and she voraciously stuffs her mouth while eating bread thus making Mother Gothel's cheeks puff out very much and Mother Gothel makes a very big swallow thus finishing her food and she says "that bread tasted so good and by the way, i am going to find Eugene, Rapunzel and her little chameleon" and Mother Gothel starts hunting for Eugene, Rapunzel and her pet chameleon Pascal.
on the whole “why can tinkerbell talk??” thing, i have only vague memories of watching peter pan as a child but i was always my assumption that tinkerbell could always talk but she was so small that peter and other humans couldn’t hear/understand her
this is exactly what I was thinking! Tinkerbell always "talked", but it always came out in a bell-like sound, I thought this was because she was so tiny, and that part of the video had me thinking maybe I was the only one thinking that 😅😅
Even as a kid I was never confused about the fairies being able to talk. I just assumed that they were able to talk to each other but humans just couldn't understand them.
Right? The same logic is used in just about any movie with animals as characters. 101 Dalmatians, Lady and the Tramp, Fox and the Hound all have the same "all the animals can understand each other and the humans, but the humans can't understand animals" logic. It's not a weird concept...
For a guy who was in charge of most of Disney and Pixar's animation division, Lassater sure hates interesting and fun ideas and instead of giving them a chance to be at least finish and release, scraps them to be never seen forever.
I'm always going to be angry at Lassater for firing the original director of the Brave film. It was originally directed by a woman and then lassater fired her for no reason which is why the movie feels like it changes half-way through and loses the focus of the mother daughter struggle because a man finished directing it ugh.
As a kid, I always loved the scene where Tink fixes the music box and then later takes it to the mainland. Something about it always felt special. After watching this video and knowing about the history of the movie, I think that scene would fit perfectly in with the Ring of Belief. So even though so much of her vision was lost, I want to believe that the concept of Tink fixing the music box was Morrill's idea.
True! Because when you think about it, "Wendy" from the final version of Tinkerbell is just Victoria's character model from Ring of Belief slightly tweaked with the background also edited to look like Wendy's room. Also, the music box key in Victoria's necklace kinda makes me think that the music box was a gift her parents gave to her before she became an orphan. And Tinkerbell fixing it and delivering it to her sounds like the epilogue where Tinkerbell makes sure to protect Victoria's belief of fairies. It kinda sounds that in Ring of Belief, Tinkerbell overall fails to approach Victoria in the first place, which causes her to lose her faith, and it makes her feel bad.
I always hated that it was wendy at the end. as a prequel, it didn't make any sense. How can tink so lovingly look through the window and then apparently years later try to murder wendy? Insane lol.@@valentinaromo6399
Also the idea that tinker fairies are the reason why sometimes our lost items reappear or mysteriously start working again after being broken is so magically awesome to me! 🤩 It's like the opposite of gremlins 😂
Fun fact: in the original book, "Tinker-bell" isn't really a proper name. See: When you remember that the fairies speak with a language that sounds like tinkling bells, actual fairy names would logically be tinkling noises. The Lost Boys call her Tinker... because she fixes things they broke. In fact, this is part of what made Tink have a rivalry with Wendy in the book. Tink saw Wendy as competition for her job. So fixing things? That's part of the original idea for Tinker-bell.
The idea of Disney being so particular about the characters existing and interacting with characters from other Disney properties is hilarious to me as a Kingdom hearts fan lol
@@KaminoKatie Except with Star Wars and the shitshow that was the marketing and products for Forces of Destiny, but that's another can of worms to get into
It's sad to consider that Lasseter probably would have rejected the trailers for Lilo and Stitch where Stitch crashed famous scenes from other Disney movies. As a kid, those trailers convinced me to beg my parents to watch that movie in a theater
As a guy, the Tinkerbell movies were my guilty pleasure as a child. I remember enjoying how all the girls interacted with one another. Male friendships aren't as explored in depth in media in my experience. That being said, this movie definitely seems darker than what we got. However, it also seems too busy. It's impossible to make a conclusion without seeing the final draft, but this movie feels like two plots (the school plot and the Peter Pan plot) crammed into one. It'd be nice if it could be reworked and released.
It’s interesting you say because I always felt the opposite: male friendships are given great dynamics and depth while women are given shallow relationships outside romance. Part of the reason I loved the fairies so much was because female friendships were the focus.
@@witchplease9695 i agree with OP. platonic male dynamics aren't explored healthily or with much depth, whereas platonic female dynamics have considerable development and significance in comparison. male friends fighting, for example, aren't seen as severe as when female friends have a falling out.
@@rileysjonger4192 literally every movie about a girl friend group is just filled with drama and toxicity and just every single negative stereotypes about women while male groups are showed as chill, laid back and healthy even when they aren't
@@s__9939 that's simply not true and a deliberate exaggeration. most male friendships in media are surface-level "bro-code" dynamics existing for the sole comedic purpose of "men stick with men" with no genuine emotion, development, or heartfelt dedication put into them. Whereas female friendships could have drama/toxicity but are often worked into a story of creativity, redemption, and emotion, as regardless, female friendships are written better in terms of development, creativity, support/healthy balance, and its significance to the plot and storytelling, and its ability to realistic resonate with audiences. Turning Red, My Little Pony, Arcane, movies about feminism, Total Drama Island, Tinkerbell, etc. the only examples of stereotypes I can think of that you're talking about are movies like Mean Girls and Jawbreaker but even then, as I mentioned, there is redemption, relatability, and genuine connection made that ties heavily into the story. "friendship makes everything better" is a positive stereotype really only tied to female friendships in media.
@@s__9939 True. Women are portrayed as catty and betraying one another but their friendships are supposed to be deep and meaningful. Men are portrayed as chill with each other and easy to get along with but their friendships are supposed to be relaxed and casual. So you're both right in a sense.
Considering how Brave was originally directed by a woman, but was replaced by a man after disagreements between her and Lasseter, it shows that this isn't a one time situation.
One thing that could back up the boy fairy thing is that when the online game Pixie Hollow first launched, they only had girl fairies. They didn't add sparrow men until much later
Ooh good point! Though I do feel like the Disney fairies brand was really marketed as being “for girls” like the princesses, and so I’m sure they were also thinking like “why would we make sparrow men, little girls won’t want that” Misunderstanding that 1) not only little girls like fairies and 2) little girls like role playing as boys and doing romance stories, which was a big thing on kids virtual worlds, so you should just have a boy option. Or do like club penguin and don’t lock the avatar into one gender so you can customize them with whatever gendered items in the gameplay (sorry for the rambling reply lol)
Yeah I feel like the movies focus a lot on just tinkerbell instead of her friendships with the other girls. Which I think is a shame, that would have been fun. A lot of the girls get so little screen time. And it’s also weird because if you’re trying to market the fairies as a brand and sell merch of each of them, then wouldn’t it be better if the audience gets more time to connect to them?
@@sarah_serif Ikr and the only exception to this is Fawn. And right when she gets her own movie and you think they’ll finally expand on the other characters THEY END THE SERIES. I will forever be frustrated by this!!
@@genevieve2845 and they explored this side character depth with the most BORING fairy. i would've much preferred a movie focused around Silvermist or Rosetta- I just love them too much, and they're so much more interesting and iconic. not that Fawn isn't a good character- she is- but I think other fairies deserved the screentime more.
The idea of ring of belief being this more serious exploration of the existence of fairies and the precarious balance they face just to continue living…….to suddenly become a Romeo and Juliet story with random characters and gender ends ending with a girl group fairy band with a pun name based on The Chicks….😭…something just seems so off
@@kimuires I think the issue there is that what we're seeing is a bunch of pieces, that may or may not have ever been meant as a cohesive whole. the band scene could have actually been good if it was early film as something Tink and friends were watching BEFORE the main plot kicks off. Or maybe it was an idea for a different movie? hard to say....
When I was a kid, my copy of The Lost Treasure had a physical advertisement piece for the next movie that would come out, called Tinkerbell and the Mysterious Winter Woods or something like that. It had all of the fairies in winter gear in the winter woods, just casually flying around. Not only is that very different from how the eventual Secret of the Wings played out, that wasn't even the next movie they made. I've never been able to find much about this version of the movie. Basically just that piece of paper included with the DVD. If you wanted to make a movie about it and see if you could find any information about this mysterious early movie (pun not intended), I would love to have this mystery I've thought about from time to time figured out
This message won't be related to this video but i promise that the message will be a good message and not a bad one and the message is: Will there be a Tangled 2?Keep these scenes in the film:1.Rapunzel stuffs her mouth while eating cookies thus making Rapunzel's cheeks puff out very much and Eugene says "how romantic, i have never seen any one eating like that and that way of eating is awesome" and Rapunzel says in a muffled voice "thank you" and Eugene says "you're welcome" and Rapunzel makes a very big swallow thus finishing her snack.2.Mother Gothel gets revived by her cloak's magic and her cloak fell out of the tower when Pascal used Rapunzel's cut off long hair to make Mother Gothel fall off her tower in back in 2010 and Mother Gothel takes off her cloak and she is very hungry and she voraciously stuffs her mouth while eating bread thus making Mother Gothel's cheeks puff out very much and Mother Gothel makes a very big swallow thus finishing her food and she says "that bread tasted so good and by the way, i am going to find Eugene, Rapunzel and her little chameleon" and Mother Gothel starts hunting for Eugene, Rapunzel and her pet chameleon Pascal.
@indiesunflowers maybe. It's just hard to know because it was originally supposed to release before (what became) Great Fairy Rescue, and the only art we have of it suggests a very different story idea (potentially one that actually fits in with the lore of the rest of the series)
Just going to point out Lasseter firing the director of Brave, Brenda Chapman, over similar issues. I work in animation and it's a really expensive and petty move to be the lone voice in a studio insisting that something that's almost finished needs to be entirely scrapped. He could have compromised and had a more open mind, but I'm willing to blame him for the fact that this movie apparently went so far over its budget. It's not like they would have saved any money doing things his way.
It's also interesting that, in both cases, he replaced the female creatives who championed Tinker Bell and Brave as passion projects with male directors who aligned more with his own ideas And by "interesting", I really mean "aggrevating" knowing the allegations of sexism and harassment that eventually got him justly fired from Disney
@@RariettyCExactly what I was thinking. The two people who wrote the original draft of TS4 also left because they felt they were not being listened to, and one of those writers was Rashida Jones… Coincidence?
Honestly only know him from watching this video but I did get a bad feeling. The woman director of a movie made specifically to market young girls kept getting her ideas shot down over and over again for what felt like stupid reasons. Then the man director comes along and comes up with a different plot that doesn’t even fix the original criticisms and gets approved. The movie that got approved will always hold a special place in my heart but now I wonder what could have been. Thank you for confirming I wasn’t over thinking this Wrote this before watching the last 3 minutes…
I think Lassater scrapping an entire movie because he thought it was “unwatchable” only to create a new movie with a very similar plot only it was directed by a man for sure leans towards him just disliking that it was made by a woman and centered around only girls😭😭
It makes sense given his track record towards women in the animation industry! Never forget what he did to Brenda Chapman and her original story treatment for Brave.
@ursascorner4865 The original brave movie was a lot different from the one we got, I forgot the whole story but after she left it went downhill and we ended up with the movie that’s our today
@musicalglitchsystem8896 ik this the original story treatment was called The Bear and the bow. There's an amazing documentary on UA-cam that goes into detail on why the movie failed. ua-cam.com/video/wRjHL8kbkZk/v-deo.html
there are so many forgotten animated movies just like this one. For example, The Disney Princess Enchanted Tales movies. 4 lost but potentially finished Disney Princess movies!!
Honestly I would’ve loved this film more than the tinker bell film that we got mainly for the darker story points of the film that match up with how dark some of the pixie hollow fairy books were. But I still love the film franchise that we had gotten from the pixie hollow brand before it was forgotten by Disney and canned once the studio responsible for the films went out of business
As someone who actually enjoys the first Tinker Bell film (its no masterpiece, but I appreciate so much of what its going for) and Disney Fairies branding, this was very fascinating. I knew Lasseter hated the original script and it was mostly scrapped, but I didn't realize things were THIS bad at the studio. I think a lot of what was covered sounds rough, especially making most of the film set in London with Peter and the Lost Boys. But it also seems interesting, especially the darker tone and some of the world building. Maybe one day someone will release the mostly finished version and we can get a better idea of what we would have gotten. Such a great video!
This message won't be related to this video but i promise that the message will be a good message and not a bad one and the message is: Will there be a Tangled 2?Keep these scenes in the film:1.Rapunzel stuffs her mouth while eating cookies thus making Rapunzel's cheeks puff out very much and Eugene says "how romantic, i have never seen any one eating like that and that way of eating is awesome" and Rapunzel says in a muffled voice "thank you" and Eugene says "you're welcome" and Rapunzel makes a very big swallow thus finishing her snack.2.Mother Gothel gets revived by her cloak's magic and her cloak fell out of the tower when Pascal used Rapunzel's cut off long hair to make Mother Gothel fall off her tower in back in 2010 and Mother Gothel takes off her cloak and she is very hungry and she voraciously stuffs her mouth while eating bread thus making Mother Gothel's cheeks puff out very much and Mother Gothel makes a very big swallow thus finishing her food and she says "that bread tasted so good and by the way, i am going to find Eugene, Rapunzel and her little chameleon" and Mother Gothel starts hunting for Eugene, Rapunzel and her pet chameleon Pascal.
i'd like to go back to an hour ago when i didn't know this movie existed and i didn't have to mourn the loss of a potential tinker bell movie where there was a fairy school. all jokes but still i grew up in love with the disney fairies franchise so this video reached the right audience and the way you put together the plot of this scrapped movie based on just storyboards and articles from yeaaars ago is so impressive. thank you for bringing this all into the light of day and i genuinely hope one day the movie can be recovered unfinished or not. you've done a great service for Tinkerbell lovers and fuck john lasseter.
Younger me would’ve been obsessed with the school setting and making some sort of fairy characters and imagining fanfiction scenarios of my fairy meeting tink and her friends. The playground fairy playing would’ve been amazing
I feel so validated. I have been waiting for this information for 12 years. One of my Disney DVDs had one of these trailers on it and I still wondered why it was so different up to this day! Now I feel dumb. I totally could have found this if I just looked hard enough.
Me too! I remember seeing this trailer as a kid and really wanted to watch this movie. I do not remember which dvd it was on and I was convinced i just made the scene of Tinker Bell disappearing up in my brain. That it was a dream. I'm happy this mystery was finally solved although, I'm really sad this movie never came out and that the franchise is dead.
@@misssnek2213 Same here! Either could have been on a DVD/Bluray promo or something played on Disney Channel I don't fully remember, but I always noticed that the trailer and the final movie were just 'different'. Now I know why!
I love all of the Tinker Bell movies and thought the original was pretty good, but I would’ve loved to see Ring of Belief just because of how dark it seems. I do feel bad for Morill since her passion project just kept getting shot down, but that trilogy pitch was….something. I’m surprised I never heard of this before. I hope there’s a lost media group out there on the hunt for it.
This message won't be related to this video but i promise that the message will be a good message and not a bad one and the message is: Will there be a Tangled 2?Keep these scenes in the film:1.Rapunzel stuffs her mouth while eating cookies thus making Rapunzel's cheeks puff out very much and Eugene says "how romantic, i have never seen any one eating like that and that way of eating is awesome" and Rapunzel says in a muffled voice "thank you" and Eugene says "you're welcome" and Rapunzel makes a very big swallow thus finishing her snack.2.Mother Gothel gets revived by her cloak's magic and her cloak fell out of the tower when Pascal used Rapunzel's cut off long hair to make Mother Gothel fall off her tower in back in 2010 and Mother Gothel takes off her cloak and she is very hungry and she voraciously stuffs her mouth while eating bread thus making Mother Gothel's cheeks puff out very much and Mother Gothel makes a very big swallow thus finishing her food and she says "that bread tasted so good and by the way, i am going to find Eugene, Rapunzel and her little chameleon" and Mother Gothel starts hunting for Eugene, Rapunzel and her pet chameleon Pascal.
“Written by Gail Carson Levine” oh well no wonder it was good. That first set of stories touched my heart REALLY deeply as a pre-teen, and honestly I still find it really beautiful and emotional? The water fairy who gives up her wings is some serious shit; I was so disturbed and fascinated by the description of her wings being severed, and the whole idea of cutting off a fundamental part of yourself, but in return gaining access to a whole world you could never otherwise experience.
I had no idea Ring of Belief was even a thing, but I remember being so confused by the difference in marketing materials and the actual film that came out. I hope someone who worked on either project comes forward with a story/more concept art!
this is So vindicating oh my god. i remember as a little, little kid asking my mom when the tinkerbell movie i saw trailers for on our dvds was going to come out, and she'd always tell me that the movie had already came out, that i'd seen it. and i remember that annoying me so much bc there were different scenes and whatnot, so clearly they weren't the same movie. so seriously thank you lmao [i've already watched your other tinkerbell video, so i think it's time to watch your descendants one]
Even the final trailer after they pivoted the story (which they have as one of the extras on Disney plus) has a lot of ring of belief animation! It’s crazy that the marketing for the movie all ended up being inaccurate
This is only partially related, but I remember seeing a trailer for Tinkerbell and the Great Fairy Rescue that was pretty significantly different from the final movie. In the actual movie, Tinkerbell makes friends with the human girl she meets. But in the trailer, I remember the girl intentionally kidnapping Tinkerbell and saying "Every museum will want to have one" or something. Maybe it was just the trailer framing the movie in a misleading way, or maybe there was just an earlier version of the movie's plot that happened to show up in trailers idk. All I know if that I remember seeing the final movie and being very confused at how different it was from the trailer.
These comments are so interesting. It seems like every trailer for each movie is a little different than the final result. I saw a comment about how Secret of the wings had an alternate title and slightly different plot, wich I didn't know about. But the trailer for it exists. It's called the Mysterious winter woods. But I've also noticed this with the trailers for the other movies. Like some scenes of The Pirate fairy being changed or some dialogue changes in Legend of the Neverbeast.
I remembered that as well! I just rewatched the trailer of it on youtube and even Lizzie had a slightly different character design to her original. I wonder what else might have changed too.
I think the reason Lasseter didn’t want Peter Pan in the original Tinkerbell movie, was probably because he didn’t have faith in the project. Obviously, his stance changed after the film started making money and the later films were given heftier plot lines. The first Tinkerbell film has always been fairly boring to me. Honestly, I would actually really like to see this film released someday, if that’s even possible at this point.
Ah, that IS a point I didn't actually consider- that Lassetter thought primarily of the prestige of the "classic" Disney character Peter Pan, and was afraid that his participation in another direct to video cashgrab sequel would tarnish his name... but didn't have any such particular considerations for Tinkerbell, apparently.
@@goranisacson2502 Maybe because Peter Pan is a main character, and Tinkerbell is a sidekick? Putting Batman in a bad movie is more damaging to the Batman brand than if only Robin is in a bad movie, you know? I imagine that’s the thought process here.
I like the fantasy and fun vibe of the first film, it's very nostalgic, but I admit I would have liked to have seen a more serious version like the beta version of the film was :")
I remember when Lasseter first was made head of WDA, there was a lot of talk about how he "saved" various Disney projects. Pretty much every project between made in the first few years after he came in, they made a huge thing about how the original scripts were "basically unwatchable." It kept coming up in every interview, and even at the time I thought it was weird that apparently EVERY movie WDA had in the pipeline was a complete train wreck that needed Lasseter's intervention to save. And a bunch of movies that had been greenlit also got the ax for the same reasons. Always Lasseter claiming that these works were "basically unwatchable". Now, I'll be the first to admit that some of his points were good, but still, it is interesting that that phrase kept popping up. Then again, Disney Toon studio's track record of quality kind of speaks for itself, so maybe he was on to something with this. The original does sound maybe a bit complicated for it's own good, but it also sounds more interesting than the final product, so...? I guess we'll never know unless it surfaces onto the internet someday.
1. the fairy band is so winx season 4 2. the tink breaks the pixie dust cycle plot and has to fix it is basically what happens in tinkerbell and the lost treasure, where tink breaks the moonstone/scepter thing. this totally couldve been pulled from the ring of belief development stages since the lost treasure is only the second tinkerbell movie.
I know the sequels have a bad rep but I honestly think Prince Charming is a way better character in Cinderella 3 and it’s the best sequel from that era
I think what also made the movie good and work out is that it has that "what if" kind of concept. It's just crazy and twisted on how they would change back in time to manipulate charmings memories and changing the glass slippers size to make it fit.
There were good and bad sequels. Personally I liked Lion King 2, Cinderella 3, all the Aladdin sequels and so on. Movies like The Emperor's new groove 2 were meh and movies like Mulan 2 felt like they just read a synopsis of Mulan 1 on Wikipedia. But the whole Peter Pan universe was awesome imo
I remember when the story of this scrapped movie was coming out into the public, I tried to tell my friend about it and she gave me the most weirdest response, "Get your hands on a demo and watch it for yourself". I was like "WTF how?". It took me years to realize that she wasn't really engaged in the story of how Disney makes the sausage, she was just offended by the negative feedback the scrapped movie was getting, especially by people who hadn't even seen it yet. She always hated hearing negative feedback, so it felt logical to jump to the movie's defense. Even to this day, I feel like it was a dumb response because NDAs are a thing and how the fuck could she tell me to get myself a demo!!!
I feel like a demo has to exist out there somewhere since it was basically ready...and its been so long too, i can only hope it'll get released somewhere
I honestly think this story is way more engaging than the final movie. I hate the fact they made Terrance a love interest for Tinker Bell in the final movie. And the story about all of them disappearing is way more interesting and made a lotta sense to its source material.
But wasn't he kinda the love interest in the books too? I didn't read many of them but I remember seeing a page that said Terrance had a soft spot for Tink but was too shy to tell her (or something along those lines), and it had an illustration of the two sitting together, with him (or both? I can't remember) blushing.
@@reincenwash Seems like Tink never had any interest in him in the books. She only saw him as a friend of her. There's a version of that fight she had with Terrance in the movie but in the book and it probably came from there
Incredibly interesting intro about the merchandising. It reminded me of a thrifted look & find book my kids have from around this era. It’s branded “Disney Bunnies” and features the bunnies from all of their franchises. Apparently it was a quickly failed merchandising strategy.
Yes! When I was researching the Princess brand I saw a lot of stuff about a short lived Disney Heroes brand and a canceled Disney Dwarves brand. It’s interesting what they tried to do, and what ended up sticking
@@sarah_serif i have a disney edition of the game sorry! and it has like the weirdest combination of characters ever. one team is villains and it’s maleficent, hades, hook and someone else (the four player was lost long ago); another is like. animals i guess? and it’s bambi, winnie the pooh, dumbo, simba; the third is princesses but jessie from toy story is there for whatever reason (whole team is ariel, snow white, cinderella, and jessie); and the fourth is like heroes, and it’s hercules, buzz lightyear, tarzan and peter pan. i think it gives insight into the various lines they had going on in the early aughts.
This scratches an itch in my brain I’ve forgotten about for ten years or more. As a kid I always wondered why the dvd trailer was so different than the real movie.
I would die to see ring of belief , that plot seems darker , more fleshed out characters, character development, orphans, imagination, seeing fairies die ?! Cmon
Hey! I'm the person who put together the compilation of released stuff from Ring of Belief (it's the video seen on the lost media wiki page lol). Really enjoyed this video. I definitely agree that both versions of the movie have their own pros and cons. There was this google doc that was shared around -- not sure where it's from -- that said something about the test screenings doing poorly because there were too many fart jokes and "lesbian overtones" (lmao) in it, and like... yeah I can definitely see the former being true. I feel like some of the things that ended up being in the final version of the film could have enhanced the scrapped version. I actually also think that Peter Pan should not have played a major role in the film, because I like the structure of the movies building up to him and Tinker Bell meeting. But a small cameo like Wendy ended up having, that would have been cool. And I actually think I see where Lasseter was coming from with the whole Wing Maiden/imagination thing, because "spreading imagination" is such a broad concept. I like that each talent in the final film has their own role in changing the seasons, and I think more of an emphasis on each fairy finding out what their specific role is would have been cool. Another thing I don't like about the original draft is the fairy school... it just feels kind of cheap lol but I'm sure it could be transformed into something more fitting for this fictional universe. Also, the heteronormative Romeo and Juliet idea SUCKS. On the other hand, I think that going to the mainland being specifically a "changing the seasons" things is incredibly limiting because there are so many talents that have nothing to do with nature. The final film is also very safe. It's a fun time, but I do feel cheated from the intense story that the original film would have had. I always thought it was kind of a waste that the film series ended up being mostly stories you'd see in the smaller chapter book series, when they could be so much more epic. Also, for the record, I prefer the original designs over the final ones (although I don't mind the changes). I love that the friendship between Tink and her friends would have been a little more fleshed out, because I feel like in the final films we didn't really get to know them that well. Silvermist especially, I feel, gets reduced to being the dumb one more and more as the series progresses. A lot of the elements in the Ring of Belief version of the movie probably could be spread out over the course of the series. Whatever they had planned for Hook seems way more coherent with previous canon than what we got in The Pirate Fairy. The CGI also looks nicer in the scrapped version, I prefer that art style way more. And Tink's characterization seems more in line with her character in Peter Pan. I hope the Morrill cut gets released eventually somehow lol, because this is all just so interesting. Also, I think Joel McNeely made a different score for that cut of the movie, judging from what we hear in the trailers, and I would love to hear more of that.
This is one of those cases where I wish that Disney Fairies and other girls franchises were treated like superhero franchises were treated lol, because I think seeing more than one person's expression and interpretation of what they like in a franchise is really cool and I wish Disney Fairies could be reincarnated in the same way. I wish that one movie *potentially* not being very good or to someone's liking wouldn't be the end of the world like it was here.
Also, in 2007 there used to be a game on the Disney Fairies website called “Hopeful’s Quest” where you had to complete a test in the “fairy school” that was a big part of Ring of Belief, and was administered by Fairy Mary in her purple outfit. They later revised this game with newer art in 2008, but I figured it was worth mentioning.
I was a Tink performing at WDW in the early 2010s and we were trained to say that our voices were too small for humans to hear and that's why she sounds like a bell in the Peter Pan films!
I still have a pillow case someone gave me that has the original disney fairies designs on it and its black and white because it came with markers intended to color it but the markers were awful so I left it as is! I adored the original fairy designs. It felt more fantasy themed, almost leaning into like the styles people wear while larping at a renaissance faire. I was sad to see their designs change so drastically for the movies. :(
I don't know anything about Lasseter, but as a lover of the first Tinkerbell movie (especially the first six minutes where the lore is explained and Tinkerbell is born) I'm glad that the plot wasn't about believing, but instead about nature. Traditionally, fairies are nature spirits that bring the seasons, so to me the film is quite faithful to real life lore and myth. I always get super warm and cozy listening to the soothing voice explaining who teaches animals to growl and who crafts the snowflakes. And then the dandelion seed travelling through a nighttime Pixie Hollow with a beautiful score as fairies wake up in their flower beds and all flock to the Pixie Dust Tree. I can't know for sure what the Ring of Belief movie would have been like, but I'm grateful for the Pixie Hollow we got.
omg you explained it so perfectly!! There's so much I want to say but i completely agree, while ring of belief sounds nice and has ELEMENTS that I would've preferred the released films to have (more focus on their friendships maybe and no Terence). The released films gave us such a better magical world and has so many details that are so precious (Tinkering machines, tiny fairies and their interactions with a big world, changing seasons, etc) that we have no guarantee the ring of belief would've gave. Plus the plot points are just a bit confusing (granted this is just an analysis of pieced together content that was found) and its more direct connection with peter pan just seems so restrictive. The only reason why I would want it to be released is just so we can get another tinker bell movie, but what we have had is amazing, even with its flaws, and what I hear other people talk about how ring of belief would've been seems a lot like their own theories and imagination than what we actually saw.. But yes the released films are so precious I'm glad we got them at least.
Thank you for your comment! I completely agree. A lot of people are saying they like the darker theme of ring of belief but that’s exactly why I don’t like it and why I live the movie we do have. I love their lightheartedness. My first reaction to this movie was thank goodness for John Lassiter because I dislike th ring of belief plots and their sequals. But hearing more about him… eehhhh
Exactly!! Idk if it's cuz of the nostalgia attached but that first movie was and still is so magical to me, and so are the sequels. I honestly am happy this ended up being the final version.
this was such a great and well researched video! it’s so silly that this movie is probably sitting out there, almost complete, cancelled because l*sseter had an unreasonable amount of hate for it also i had noo clue about the pixie chicks animation and the proposed trilogy where fairies discover heterosexuality 😭 that would have been … something
Personally, I LOVE the fact that TinkerBell has a speaking role in the franchise! I liked the original Peter Pan version of her, but I always wished that she spoke in the movie, so it's really nice to see that change in her movies later on. Also, I would love to see TinkerBell and the Ring of Belief as a 7th TinkerBell film, and then maybe the other scrapped TinkerBell movie, "TinkerBell: Tinker Academy" as the 8th TinkerBell film💚 EDIT: Also, I think having Mae Whitman go onto the TinkerBell movies was a wonderful idea! I don't mean any disrespect to the late Brittany Murphy, but Mae has always been my favorite actress, and TinkerBell is what introduced me to her!🥰
Im not some professional artist or anything (yet, at least) but as an artist in general, I just wanna say it’s really neat to see someone acknowledging how much of our work and projects in general go unseen. It’s on a lesser scale, but I have SO many unfinished sketches and concepts just sitting on dozens of hard drives because of lack of motivation, or not having enough time, or simply because I decided I didn’t like them, and none of them will ever see the light of day. There’s definitely so much art and creativity out there that will never be viewed, even if it’s from hobbyists and not massive studios.
Peter Pan and the Lost boys seems to be just thrown in without thought. Why didn't they make them the orphans. It would have made sense if a younger Peter was losing his belief in magic growing up in a cruel world but the movie ended with him learning to believe and hating the idea of growing up. They could show it with a dramatic scene where Peter falls from something tall and it's like oh no she can't save him bc she disappeared. but her sacrifice helps him believe again and he ends up being able to fly and defeats hook with the power of belief that tink taught him. If I wrote it I would even add in a scene where the queen is like "the day is saved but at what cost. Children are meant to grow up. Who knows what chaos this could create in Neverland". But if they're going to do an origin story I think it should happen much earlier than the original took place especially if you want to include this as captain hooks origin as well (which you don't necessarily have to). Actually imo it would be better if you could have a hook who has been in Neverland and is trying to steal the fairies magic (bc greedy pirate) but ends up sowing the seeds of his own destruction so to speak by creating his greatest enemy. Although my one problem with this plot is that it feels like a second or third movie if you include Peter Pan.
A core memory of mine is seeing a tinker bell preview on a disney DVD and being so confused when the tinker bell movie came out and it didnt match the trailer
Seeing the 2D test animation and photos... Man we really could have had a banger. It makes me so sad that even though most of the Tinkerbell movies are good, it could have slayed severely
So as a little kid about 3 or so, I remember seeing that trailer on DVDs and being so excited for a Tinkerbell movie. When it eventually came out and was nothing like the movie I wanted to see, 5-year-old me was DEVASTATED. For years my mom and I have wondered what happened to that original movie.. Thank you for solving this mystery that has seriously bothered me for 3/4ths of my life.
As a person who loves both Peter Pan and tinker bell It wouldve been interesting to see the ring of belief However i don’t know about Peter being in the first movie of tinker bell Sense it’s a franchise it would be weird to show Peter Pan so early on. It would’ve been interesting for a final movie. Which is possible that’s what they were planning based on the movie I mean hook eventually shows up but isn’t really a captain yet and is young In the first movie they reference the little girl at the end is Wendy when she was way younger as well So it probably was a plan to eventually have a movie where tink and peters friendship began But I don’t think they were able to make all the movies they were hoping for unfortunately, I would’ve love to seen it though
I could be wrong but wasn't there supposed to be 2 more Tinker Bell movies. And in one of them we were going to meet Peter Pan and learn his backstory and Captin Hooks backstory as well.
24:19 I...genuinely thought, for all these years, that this whole segment (along with their subtle outfit variations) was some form of oddly vivid *fever dream* from my early childhood. Seeing all of this show up on screen made me actually second-guess my concept of reality for a solid 10min 😭 Thank you for all the thorough research you've put into this project, this has been a very enjoyable hour
If I had to guess the "ring" was possibly linked to how when fairies talk it sounds like "bells ringing". And maybe it's only able to be heard of you believe in fairies so you get the 'ring of belief'
I'm somewhat surprised she didn't talk about Tinker Academy, supposedly it was going to be the seventh movie, but was scrapped. I didn't know about this until I watched another video talking about Tinkerbell. Then again, there isn't a lot of information about it aside from concept art, but I still would have liked her input on it.
I wish they continued making a least a few more Tinker Bell movies. I mean, they already had a young Wendy in the first movie, and then Hook, Smee, and the crocodile in The Pirate Fairy. Having the film series end on a movie where Tink finally meets Peter Pan would've been the perfect way to lead into the Peter Pan movies.
I just wanna say I am OBSESSED with these videos. I honestly hope this becomes a tinkerbell focused channel bc my love for the Disney Fairies franchise is growing stronger each day. (side note: apologies for overfilling ur comment section with FOUR comments already, can you tell this obsession is spirally already?)
what sucks the most is that the money sink for ring of belief was probably a MAJOR factor in the studio's eventual bankruptcy. i mean, it was a small secondary studio that was probably always going to go down, but they made a whole fucking movie and john lasseter got it scrapped. the only thing he really did was kill disneytoon faster.
For years I liked to say that when Tink was removed from the Princess line she was so angry she was threatening to expose Disney secrets going back to the 1950s the only thing Disney could do to calm her down was to give Tink her own franchise.
I actually found and uploaded the lost storyboard of the ring of belief, when Tink and her friends broke the ring of belief the queen gave them a quest to do, there was only a storyboard of Fawn doing her quest searching for the nest of patience
I was obsessed with fairy’s as a kid and I think they used a lot of the concept from ring of belief in the pirate fairy. I remember watching that trailer and just thinking it was teasing how fairy’s interacted with people, I was sad the girl wasn’t in the movie tho. I never read the books and understood why tink couldn’t talk to humans but could talk to the fairies those bloggers just gotta get good ig
It’s just interesting that Lassiter wasn’t on board with the Tinkerbell movie until they removed the female director and brought a male director in, who pitched basically the same plot, idk sounds like classic studio sexism to me. Add the whole Brenda Chapman thing to this, and it starts to look like a pattern…
Fairies bringing the magic of the seasons is (to me) a much smarter magic system than fairies being responsible for kid’s “imagination”. For one, the “imagination” system treats humans like cattle. Fairies live because of belief in them, so therefore fairies are able to control how they interact with humans and inspire that belief. Why even bother to imply having different talents when all you have to do is show up in front of a kid, flying with your wings? It treats belief like a currency. Instead, by interacting with nature, it inspires the idea to kids that they might have caught a glimpse of a fairy at work. Therefore inspiring that belief. Second, it breaks fairy lore about rules of being seen by humans and that intrinsic link with the power of belief. And weakens the risk of dying of disbelief. Third, the use of their talents to have magical affects on the world (and not humans, in this case) is still in line with fairy lore and creates an entire ecosystem that the fairy culture is based around. Instead of directing their focus on making children believe, their powers can be used in endless creative ways in their environment, or for whatever adventure they’re on. In this way, the nature system brings magic to our world and belief isn’t something even the fairies can (entirely) control.
i know this isn't suuper related but one of the BEST childhood memories i have is of the original tinkerbell ds game, i LOVED playing it and was heartbroken when i eventually lost it in my teen years, i also had a wizards of waverly place ds game, and borrowing one of the hannah montana ds games for a day, but that tinkerbell game was one of my FAVE games of all time
I still have mine and was literally playing it earlier today. It's one of like 3 videogames that I consistently come back to over the years. Awesome to see ppl remembering it
Well, Roy wasn't wrong. It was soon after this, when they started marketing them as "the Disney Princesses" that a lot of the drama started happening. Even Disney started mocking their own princess stories, diluting their origins into stereotypes. Roy Jr. called it 100 miles away.
"Ring" can refer to "ringing", the sound of sorts, like the sound fairies make when they fly or talk to people, I think that's what it means, the sound of belief, the clapping
Back then, I was totally scammed into buying the first tinkerbell DVD because it said "how tinkerbell met peter pan" and I was like oh, interesting. BUT no peter pan, it didn't even feel like it played in neverland
I always preferred the books to the movies. The first one was adorable, but I was already accustomed to the books and found it a bit disappointing that it didn’t line up with the books. We didn’t see Rani, Fira, Bess, Prilla, and Beck.
I hate the narrative around Sharon Morrill, as if she wasn't trying to push Disney Toon to something with artistic integrity. I need her version. Her departure from Disney conincided with that of talents such as Chris Sanders, Brenda Chapman and Alan Menken, so talent wasn't an isue.
The reasoning behind Timkerbell being able to talk but not being able to later seems simple. I thought the implication was that they always could talk but it sounds like a bell sound to humans ears (hence the name Tinkerbell). It’s too high pitched to too magical or something for them so that’s all they can hear. And so by later movies (I don’t think she talks directly to any humans in the following Faerie movies) and Peter Pan she’s mostly given up and let’s her actions speak for her. Why this seemed to go over reviewers heads Im not sure if other then it probably being a LONG time since they saw Peter Pan and just remember seeing her used in other material where she didn’t talk (which again is explained away by having no one to talk to or just humans to interact with, so it matches up with the original movie).
the 3rd installment of the Tinkerbell movie franchise literally explores this. Faries can't talk to humans because it sounds like tiny little bells being jingled, which makes complete sense. whenever Tinkerbelle tried to talk to the human girl that captured her, it sounded like jingling. Tink understood Isabella but she couldn't understand Tink. i don't get why people have such a gripe with this... it's a matter of interaction. if she can't have a conversation with humans, of course she'll seem mute, but to other fairies, this won't be the case, lol.
I always wondered why the final movie never had that human girl in the trailer but didn't think much of it since I was still a kid, so this answered my question, thank you 🤣 to think that the whole tinker bell movie was a big deal back in the day. I just wish they'd release more of the original content publicly online, all the constant rewriting makes the tinker bell lore more interesting..
I feel like wendy being shown as a cameo instead of peter pan who showcase that tinkerbell brings joys to wendy, a human little girl, who is representation of the movies target audience. Having peter pan there makes tinkerbell reduced back to her role as a secondary character since the audience would only focus on the more iconic character, peter, instead of “the pin up fairy” that the studio wanted to focus on and flesh out. People want and love to see how a more popular character interacts with a new cast of characters and a different setting.
I was and still am annoyed that when you look at the dvd cover art for the first three or four Tinkerbell movies show the tree on the spine of the DVD cover and it's incomplete because the last movie was pirate fairy and it doesn't finish the tree 🙄
I wish you had talked about the lore of Return to Neverland, i know its not a beloved movie... But i really like it. And it talks about fairies not being believed in anymore.
Ring of Belief comes across as a Tinker Bell take of Winx Club or W.I.T.C.H. it would’ve made too much fairy type magical school girls. And the Peter Pan and lost Boys would’ve drag the Tinker Bell and fairy friends attention down. The 1st Tinker Bell somehow helped grounds the whole Fairy lore and now everytime I see Tink I always associate her with Pixie Hallow rather than Peter Pan, I think they could’ve made the Ring of Belief plot minus the fairy school as part of the franchise and tie something up on how they might lost the pixie dust and belief from children. With all the sequels we have that talks about where and how Pixie Dust works plus visiting the main land and children’s laughter is what the fairies came from Ring of Belief would’ve been great as the 8th movie as it helps build up Tink’s journey from Pixie Hallow until meeting Peter Pan. I didn’t know that there was so much history prior to the 1st Tink movie, such a great video. Amazing work putting up all materials that we have and yes JL is creepy 😂
I feel like I used to know everything about Disney but I swear I thought they started thinking about the princess branding after the success of The Little Mermaid like around 1995. It’s crazy to me that so many people were against making the Disney princesses a brand lol
As someone who loved the movies as a kid and now, I think they made the right choice on the changes. Although I am interested to see this "darker" version of the movie, It definitely had some big flaws in it that would of dated the movie & made it unenjoyable as a adult.
Fairies being born from a child’s first laugh, and dying when they say “I don’t believe in fairies,” is straight from Barrie’s Peter Pan novel.
To be fair, the quote is “whenever a child says 'I don't believe in fairies' there's a little fairy somewhere that falls right down dead,” so it doesn't specifically have to be the same exact kid whose first laugh birthed them. I forgot the specific movie, but I _swear_ there was one where Hook begins saying "I don't believe in fairies" over and over again so the group of fairies in front of him begin dropping like flies. Like, straight up on-screen 1st degree fairy murder.
@@-VoDkAsVengeance- Right. Barrie’s original book doesn’t say it has to be the same kid. The exact passage about the beginning of fairies is:
_“You see, Wendy, when the first baby laughed for the first time, its laugh broke into a thousand pieces, and they all went skipping about, and that was the beginning of fairies.”_
_Tedious talk this, but being a stay-at-home she liked it._
_“And so,” he went on good-naturedly, “there ought to be one fairy for every boy and girl.”_
_“Ought to be? Isn’t there?”_
_“No. You see children know such a lot now, they soon don’t believe in fairies, and every time a child says, ‘I don’t believe in fairies,’ there is a fairy somewhere that falls down dead.”_
Now whether that means the first baby’s laugh became 1000 fairies, and every subsequent baby only created one, we don’t know. Later, once they get back from Neverland:
_“I thought all the fairies were dead,” Mrs. Darling said._
_“There are always a lot of young ones,” explained Wendy, who was now quite an authority, “because you see when a new baby laughs for the first time a new fairy is born, and as there are always new babies there are always new fairies. They live in nests on the tops of trees; and the mauve ones are boys and the white ones are girls, and the blue ones are just little sillies who are not sure what they are.”_
I tried to convince my friends that they needed to put an iron cage around their baby’s head until she had her first laugh, since iron traps fairies according to folklore, but for some reason they were opposed to the idea! 😂😉
@@DrFranklynAndersonokay but does this mean there’s non binary fairies? bc i kinda love that 🥰
@@ashegrey3042I love that their way of saying NB was just little sillies haha
Perhaps fairies get to choose their gender and if the haven’t chosen yet they remain blue
The fact that there’s just a (mostly) finished Tinkerbell movie starring Brittany Murphy somewhere in Disney’s basement that has never been seen before by the public is both intriguing and somewhat terrifying to me.
I Lowkey hope that one day some massive Disney leak happens like the one that happened with Nintendo pretty recently where just EVERYTHING gets shared to the public including this movie
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Will there be a Tangled 2?Keep these scenes in the film:1.Rapunzel stuffs her mouth while eating cookies thus making Rapunzel's cheeks puff out very much and Eugene says "how romantic, i have never seen any one eating like that and that way of eating is awesome" and Rapunzel says in a muffled voice "thank you" and Eugene says "you're welcome" and Rapunzel makes a very big swallow thus finishing her snack.2.Mother Gothel gets revived by her cloak's magic and her cloak fell out of the tower when Pascal used Rapunzel's cut off long hair to make Mother Gothel fall off her tower in back in 2010 and Mother Gothel takes off her cloak and she is very hungry and she voraciously stuffs her mouth while eating bread thus making Mother Gothel's cheeks puff out very much and Mother Gothel makes a very big swallow thus finishing her food and she says "that bread tasted so good and by the way, i am going to find Eugene, Rapunzel and her little chameleon" and Mother Gothel starts hunting for Eugene, Rapunzel and her pet chameleon Pascal.
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@abhinavdammu7798 there's nothing else your comment could be but a weird fetish
on the whole “why can tinkerbell talk??” thing, i have only vague memories of watching peter pan as a child but i was always my assumption that tinkerbell could always talk but she was so small that peter and other humans couldn’t hear/understand her
this is exactly what I was thinking! Tinkerbell always "talked", but it always came out in a bell-like sound, I thought this was because she was so tiny, and that part of the video had me thinking maybe I was the only one thinking that 😅😅
Peter can understand her but because she raised him
I mean.. Pan sure understood her when she called Wendy a big ugly girl
@@XxLostFinalGirlxX I think he was the only one who understood her tho, right?
@@dragonofspades2837 yup because Wendy even asked Peter what she said because she didn't understand so he had to translate
Even as a kid I was never confused about the fairies being able to talk. I just assumed that they were able to talk to each other but humans just couldn't understand them.
Right? The same logic is used in just about any movie with animals as characters. 101 Dalmatians, Lady and the Tramp, Fox and the Hound all have the same "all the animals can understand each other and the humans, but the humans can't understand animals" logic. It's not a weird concept...
That was even conveyed in Tinkerbelle and the Great Fairy Rescue! To humans, Tinkerbelle’s speech sounded like bells ringing.
@@fightinggamegeek9238 that's what I was about to say
In the books (from what I remember, being able to hear the fairies is a “gift”.
It's kind of spelled out in the book honestly. it's possible for Humans to learn, just not easy.
For a guy who was in charge of most of Disney and Pixar's animation division, Lassater sure hates interesting and fun ideas and instead of giving them a chance to be at least finish and release, scraps them to be never seen forever.
Right.
I'm always going to be angry at Lassater for firing the original director of the Brave film. It was originally directed by a woman and then lassater fired her for no reason which is why the movie feels like it changes half-way through and loses the focus of the mother daughter struggle because a man finished directing it ugh.
@@weathering-the-stormI thought it was the other way around where she stepped down.
I'm still mad we never got that version of fthe film.
@@bigboomer1013 well of course thats what they'd WANT you to believe
As a kid, I always loved the scene where Tink fixes the music box and then later takes it to the mainland. Something about it always felt special. After watching this video and knowing about the history of the movie, I think that scene would fit perfectly in with the Ring of Belief. So even though so much of her vision was lost, I want to believe that the concept of Tink fixing the music box was Morrill's idea.
True! Because when you think about it, "Wendy" from the final version of Tinkerbell is just Victoria's character model from Ring of Belief slightly tweaked with the background also edited to look like Wendy's room.
Also, the music box key in Victoria's necklace kinda makes me think that the music box was a gift her parents gave to her before she became an orphan. And Tinkerbell fixing it and delivering it to her sounds like the epilogue where Tinkerbell makes sure to protect Victoria's belief of fairies. It kinda sounds that in Ring of Belief, Tinkerbell overall fails to approach Victoria in the first place, which causes her to lose her faith, and it makes her feel bad.
I always hated that it was wendy at the end. as a prequel, it didn't make any sense. How can tink so lovingly look through the window and then apparently years later try to murder wendy? Insane lol.@@valentinaromo6399
Also the idea that tinker fairies are the reason why sometimes our lost items reappear or mysteriously start working again after being broken is so magically awesome to me! 🤩 It's like the opposite of gremlins 😂
Fun fact: in the original book, "Tinker-bell" isn't really a proper name. See: When you remember that the fairies speak with a language that sounds like tinkling bells, actual fairy names would logically be tinkling noises. The Lost Boys call her Tinker... because she fixes things they broke. In fact, this is part of what made Tink have a rivalry with Wendy in the book. Tink saw Wendy as competition for her job.
So fixing things? That's part of the original idea for Tinker-bell.
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The idea of Disney being so particular about the characters existing and interacting with characters from other Disney properties is hilarious to me as a Kingdom hearts fan lol
And then they just gave up with that mentality in the 2010's
@@KaminoKatie Except with Star Wars and the shitshow that was the marketing and products for Forces of Destiny, but that's another can of worms to get into
And now there's a LEGO Disney Princess special in D+.
It's sad to consider that Lasseter probably would have rejected the trailers for Lilo and Stitch where Stitch crashed famous scenes from other Disney movies. As a kid, those trailers convinced me to beg my parents to watch that movie in a theater
@@RariettyCthose are such good trailers!!!
As a guy, the Tinkerbell movies were my guilty pleasure as a child. I remember enjoying how all the girls interacted with one another. Male friendships aren't as explored in depth in media in my experience.
That being said, this movie definitely seems darker than what we got. However, it also seems too busy. It's impossible to make a conclusion without seeing the final draft, but this movie feels like two plots (the school plot and the Peter Pan plot) crammed into one. It'd be nice if it could be reworked and released.
It’s interesting you say because I always felt the opposite: male friendships are given great dynamics and depth while women are given shallow relationships outside romance. Part of the reason I loved the fairies so much was because female friendships were the focus.
@@witchplease9695 i agree with OP. platonic male dynamics aren't explored healthily or with much depth, whereas platonic female dynamics have considerable development and significance in comparison. male friends fighting, for example, aren't seen as severe as when female friends have a falling out.
@@rileysjonger4192 literally every movie about a girl friend group is just filled with drama and toxicity and just every single negative stereotypes about women while male groups are showed as chill, laid back and healthy even when they aren't
@@s__9939 that's simply not true and a deliberate exaggeration. most male friendships in media are surface-level "bro-code" dynamics existing for the sole comedic purpose of "men stick with men" with no genuine emotion, development, or heartfelt dedication put into them. Whereas female friendships could have drama/toxicity but are often worked into a story of creativity, redemption, and emotion, as regardless, female friendships are written better in terms of development, creativity, support/healthy balance, and its significance to the plot and storytelling, and its ability to realistic resonate with audiences. Turning Red, My Little Pony, Arcane, movies about feminism, Total Drama Island, Tinkerbell, etc.
the only examples of stereotypes I can think of that you're talking about are movies like Mean Girls and Jawbreaker but even then, as I mentioned, there is redemption, relatability, and genuine connection made that ties heavily into the story. "friendship makes everything better" is a positive stereotype really only tied to female friendships in media.
@@s__9939 True. Women are portrayed as catty and betraying one another but their friendships are supposed to be deep and meaningful. Men are portrayed as chill with each other and easy to get along with but their friendships are supposed to be relaxed and casual. So you're both right in a sense.
Considering how Brave was originally directed by a woman, but was replaced by a man after disagreements between her and Lasseter, it shows that this isn't a one time situation.
One thing that could back up the boy fairy thing is that when the online game Pixie Hollow first launched, they only had girl fairies. They didn't add sparrow men until much later
Ooh good point! Though I do feel like the Disney fairies brand was really marketed as being “for girls” like the princesses, and so I’m sure they were also thinking like “why would we make sparrow men, little girls won’t want that” Misunderstanding that 1) not only little girls like fairies and 2) little girls like role playing as boys and doing romance stories, which was a big thing on kids virtual worlds, so you should just have a boy option. Or do like club penguin and don’t lock the avatar into one gender so you can customize them with whatever gendered items in the gameplay (sorry for the rambling reply lol)
@@sarah_serifthat's a good ramble actually. and totally makes sense from a target demo/marketing to little girls perspective
@@sarah_serifmedia conglomerates will never understand the need that 8 year old girls have to pretend to be boys on kids games to date girls
Silvermist's and Iridessa's original dynamics with tinkerbell sounds SO GOOD in the original tho!! 😭
Yeah I feel like the movies focus a lot on just tinkerbell instead of her friendships with the other girls. Which I think is a shame, that would have been fun. A lot of the girls get so little screen time. And it’s also weird because if you’re trying to market the fairies as a brand and sell merch of each of them, then wouldn’t it be better if the audience gets more time to connect to them?
@@sarah_serif Ikr and the only exception to this is Fawn. And right when she gets her own movie and you think they’ll finally expand on the other characters THEY END THE SERIES. I will forever be frustrated by this!!
@@genevieve2845oh yeah 😅
@@genevieve2845 and they explored this side character depth with the most BORING fairy. i would've much preferred a movie focused around Silvermist or Rosetta- I just love them too much, and they're so much more interesting and iconic. not that Fawn isn't a good character- she is- but I think other fairies deserved the screentime more.
@@rileysjonger4192 So true. # justiceforsilvermist
The idea of ring of belief being this more serious exploration of the existence of fairies and the precarious balance they face just to continue living…….to suddenly become a Romeo and Juliet story with random characters and gender ends ending with a girl group fairy band with a pun name based on The Chicks….😭…something just seems so off
Right but I do have to say I think I would’ve liked the second one as well
@@yourfavoriteoompaloompa139I don’t think I would’ve 💀 it plays off of tropes I hate and feels so emotionally different from the Ring of Belief
@@kimuires I think the issue there is that what we're seeing is a bunch of pieces, that may or may not have ever been meant as a cohesive whole.
the band scene could have actually been good if it was early film as something Tink and friends were watching BEFORE the main plot kicks off. Or maybe it was an idea for a different movie? hard to say....
When I was a kid, my copy of The Lost Treasure had a physical advertisement piece for the next movie that would come out, called Tinkerbell and the Mysterious Winter Woods or something like that. It had all of the fairies in winter gear in the winter woods, just casually flying around. Not only is that very different from how the eventual Secret of the Wings played out, that wasn't even the next movie they made. I've never been able to find much about this version of the movie. Basically just that piece of paper included with the DVD. If you wanted to make a movie about it and see if you could find any information about this mysterious early movie (pun not intended), I would love to have this mystery I've thought about from time to time figured out
there's a trailer for it with that name
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I think it was just the original/working title. I can't find any info of script changes
What are you talking about?
@indiesunflowers maybe. It's just hard to know because it was originally supposed to release before (what became) Great Fairy Rescue, and the only art we have of it suggests a very different story idea (potentially one that actually fits in with the lore of the rest of the series)
Just going to point out Lasseter firing the director of Brave, Brenda Chapman, over similar issues. I work in animation and it's a really expensive and petty move to be the lone voice in a studio insisting that something that's almost finished needs to be entirely scrapped. He could have compromised and had a more open mind, but I'm willing to blame him for the fact that this movie apparently went so far over its budget. It's not like they would have saved any money doing things his way.
It's also interesting that, in both cases, he replaced the female creatives who championed Tinker Bell and Brave as passion projects with male directors who aligned more with his own ideas
And by "interesting", I really mean "aggrevating" knowing the allegations of sexism and harassment that eventually got him justly fired from Disney
@@RariettyCExactly what I was thinking. The two people who wrote the original draft of TS4 also left because they felt they were not being listened to, and one of those writers was Rashida Jones… Coincidence?
Honestly only know him from watching this video but I did get a bad feeling. The woman director of a movie made specifically to market young girls kept getting her ideas shot down over and over again for what felt like stupid reasons. Then the man director comes along and comes up with a different plot that doesn’t even fix the original criticisms and gets approved. The movie that got approved will always hold a special place in my heart but now I wonder what could have been. Thank you for confirming I wasn’t over thinking this
Wrote this before watching the last 3 minutes…
I think Lassater scrapping an entire movie because he thought it was “unwatchable” only to create a new movie with a very similar plot only it was directed by a man for sure leans towards him just disliking that it was made by a woman and centered around only girls😭😭
It makes sense given his track record towards women in the animation industry! Never forget what he did to Brenda Chapman and her original story treatment for Brave.
@@ursascorner4865oh…
Wait are u talking abt the movie we got? Or a different one
@ursascorner4865 The original brave movie was a lot different from the one we got, I forgot the whole story but after she left it went downhill and we ended up with the movie that’s our today
@musicalglitchsystem8896 ik this the original story treatment was called The Bear and the bow. There's an amazing documentary on UA-cam that goes into detail on why the movie failed. ua-cam.com/video/wRjHL8kbkZk/v-deo.html
So...captain Hook lives in Victorian England, but dresses like a 1700s pirate? That is some theatre kid energy
He was just born in the wrong century😔
Things were just... diffrent back in the good old 1700's...
That’s so him tho
it's crazy to think that a somewhat finished tinkerbell movie is just withering in some archive
that should be illegal; hiding away treasure like that. i hope to God SOMEONE leaks it one of these days.
there are so many forgotten animated movies just like this one. For example, The Disney Princess Enchanted Tales movies. 4 lost but potentially finished Disney Princess movies!!
Honestly I would’ve loved this film more than the tinker bell film that we got mainly for the darker story points of the film that match up with how dark some of the pixie hollow fairy books were. But I still love the film franchise that we had gotten from the pixie hollow brand before it was forgotten by Disney and canned once the studio responsible for the films went out of business
right? i still remember that one scene in the books involving vidia…
@@wrightcember what happened to vidia?
@@oof2104 i dont remember very well, but i’m pretty sure she almost died once lol
The fairies giving tinker bell their pixie dust and dying really brings a new perspective to the phrase “faith, trust, and pixie dust,” huh?
The whole time I was thinking ''wow this movie is DARK'' and then this man comes out and has the audacity to say it's too childish i-
As someone who actually enjoys the first Tinker Bell film (its no masterpiece, but I appreciate so much of what its going for) and Disney Fairies branding, this was very fascinating. I knew Lasseter hated the original script and it was mostly scrapped, but I didn't realize things were THIS bad at the studio. I think a lot of what was covered sounds rough, especially making most of the film set in London with Peter and the Lost Boys. But it also seems interesting, especially the darker tone and some of the world building. Maybe one day someone will release the mostly finished version and we can get a better idea of what we would have gotten. Such a great video!
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@@abhinavdammu7798 did you just essentially write a fanfic?
Yes but you can help me make Tangled 2 happen for real very soon and BTW did you read the Tangled 2 message entirely from the beginning to the ending?
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sorry
Actually in the og books, Tink was a pots-and-pans talent fairy but I can understand why it was changed to tinker-talent fairy. It just makes sense.
i'd like to go back to an hour ago when i didn't know this movie existed and i didn't have to mourn the loss of a potential tinker bell movie where there was a fairy school. all jokes but still i grew up in love with the disney fairies franchise so this video reached the right audience and the way you put together the plot of this scrapped movie based on just storyboards and articles from yeaaars ago is so impressive. thank you for bringing this all into the light of day and i genuinely hope one day the movie can be recovered unfinished or not. you've done a great service for Tinkerbell lovers and fuck john lasseter.
Younger me would’ve been obsessed with the school setting and making some sort of fairy characters and imagining fanfiction scenarios of my fairy meeting tink and her friends. The playground fairy playing would’ve been amazing
@@crys_cornflakezSame I would of loved that to as a fan of disney fairies in general.
I hate to break it to you that there's actually TWO cancelled Tinkerbell films where there's a fairy school. Tinker Academy.
@@thatponighoulI WAS ABOUT TO SAY THIS‼️ Tinker bell lore goes deep, I wish we could've gotten more midia abt her...
I feel so validated. I have been waiting for this information for 12 years. One of my Disney DVDs had one of these trailers on it and I still wondered why it was so different up to this day! Now I feel dumb. I totally could have found this if I just looked hard enough.
Me too!!! It always confused little me how different it was
Me too! I remember seeing this trailer as a kid and really wanted to watch this movie. I do not remember which dvd it was on and I was convinced i just made the scene of Tinker Bell disappearing up in my brain. That it was a dream. I'm happy this mystery was finally solved although, I'm really sad this movie never came out and that the franchise is dead.
@@misssnek2213 Yeah, Disney made a new Peter Pan... that had nothing to do with this one. :/
@@misssnek2213 Same here! Either could have been on a DVD/Bluray promo or something played on Disney Channel I don't fully remember, but I always noticed that the trailer and the final movie were just 'different'. Now I know why!
I love all of the Tinker Bell movies and thought the original was pretty good, but I would’ve loved to see Ring of Belief just because of how dark it seems.
I do feel bad for Morill since her passion project just kept getting shot down, but that trilogy pitch was….something.
I’m surprised I never heard of this before. I hope there’s a lost media group out there on the hunt for it.
John Lasseter is also kinda sexist.
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yeah the ring of belief sounds like a good movie - but the sequels sound like garbage.
Tangled 2 will be a good sequel.
i wish people were actively looking for it somewhere, but at least there's art!
“Written by Gail Carson Levine” oh well no wonder it was good. That first set of stories touched my heart REALLY deeply as a pre-teen, and honestly I still find it really beautiful and emotional? The water fairy who gives up her wings is some serious shit; I was so disturbed and fascinated by the description of her wings being severed, and the whole idea of cutting off a fundamental part of yourself, but in return gaining access to a whole world you could never otherwise experience.
this is one of the books before the movie? I'm curious
I had no idea Ring of Belief was even a thing, but I remember being so confused by the difference in marketing materials and the actual film that came out. I hope someone who worked on either project comes forward with a story/more concept art!
this is So vindicating oh my god. i remember as a little, little kid asking my mom when the tinkerbell movie i saw trailers for on our dvds was going to come out, and she'd always tell me that the movie had already came out, that i'd seen it. and i remember that annoying me so much bc there were different scenes and whatnot, so clearly they weren't the same movie. so seriously thank you lmao
[i've already watched your other tinkerbell video, so i think it's time to watch your descendants one]
Even the final trailer after they pivoted the story (which they have as one of the extras on Disney plus) has a lot of ring of belief animation! It’s crazy that the marketing for the movie all ended up being inaccurate
This is only partially related, but I remember seeing a trailer for Tinkerbell and the Great Fairy Rescue that was pretty significantly different from the final movie. In the actual movie, Tinkerbell makes friends with the human girl she meets. But in the trailer, I remember the girl intentionally kidnapping Tinkerbell and saying "Every museum will want to have one" or something.
Maybe it was just the trailer framing the movie in a misleading way, or maybe there was just an earlier version of the movie's plot that happened to show up in trailers idk.
All I know if that I remember seeing the final movie and being very confused at how different it was from the trailer.
YESSS and I remember there being clips that the Minister of Summer in those early teasers implying she was gonna have a bigger role
These comments are so interesting. It seems like every trailer for each movie is a little different than the final result. I saw a comment about how Secret of the wings had an alternate title and slightly different plot, wich I didn't know about. But the trailer for it exists. It's called the Mysterious winter woods. But I've also noticed this with the trailers for the other movies. Like some scenes of The Pirate fairy being changed or some dialogue changes in Legend of the Neverbeast.
I remembered that as well! I just rewatched the trailer of it on youtube and even Lizzie had a slightly different character design to her original. I wonder what else might have changed too.
I remember seeing the trailer on my ds I forgot which game had the trailer
I THOUGHT I HAD HALLUCINATED THAT TRAILER
I think the reason Lasseter didn’t want Peter Pan in the original Tinkerbell movie, was probably because he didn’t have faith in the project. Obviously, his stance changed after the film started making money and the later films were given heftier plot lines. The first Tinkerbell film has always been fairly boring to me. Honestly, I would actually really like to see this film released someday, if that’s even possible at this point.
Also, the fact that they dumbed down Silvermist substantially, feels particularly spiteful.
Deberían reiniciar la franquicia…y retomar esto..salvaría a Disney sinceramente.
Ah, that IS a point I didn't actually consider- that Lassetter thought primarily of the prestige of the "classic" Disney character Peter Pan, and was afraid that his participation in another direct to video cashgrab sequel would tarnish his name... but didn't have any such particular considerations for Tinkerbell, apparently.
@@goranisacson2502 Maybe because Peter Pan is a main character, and Tinkerbell is a sidekick? Putting Batman in a bad movie is more damaging to the Batman brand than if only Robin is in a bad movie, you know? I imagine that’s the thought process here.
I like the fantasy and fun vibe of the first film, it's very nostalgic, but I admit I would have liked to have seen a more serious version like the beta version of the film was :")
I remember when Lasseter first was made head of WDA, there was a lot of talk about how he "saved" various Disney projects. Pretty much every project between made in the first few years after he came in, they made a huge thing about how the original scripts were "basically unwatchable." It kept coming up in every interview, and even at the time I thought it was weird that apparently EVERY movie WDA had in the pipeline was a complete train wreck that needed Lasseter's intervention to save. And a bunch of movies that had been greenlit also got the ax for the same reasons. Always Lasseter claiming that these works were "basically unwatchable". Now, I'll be the first to admit that some of his points were good, but still, it is interesting that that phrase kept popping up.
Then again, Disney Toon studio's track record of quality kind of speaks for itself, so maybe he was on to something with this. The original does sound maybe a bit complicated for it's own good, but it also sounds more interesting than the final product, so...? I guess we'll never know unless it surfaces onto the internet someday.
1. the fairy band is so winx season 4
2. the tink breaks the pixie dust cycle plot and has to fix it is basically what happens in tinkerbell and the lost treasure, where tink breaks the moonstone/scepter thing. this totally couldve been pulled from the ring of belief development stages since the lost treasure is only the second tinkerbell movie.
>new guy hated cheap cash grabs
>Disney starts making cheap remake cash grabs years later
KNUCKLEHEAD 😫
I know the sequels have a bad rep but I honestly think Prince Charming is a way better character in Cinderella 3 and it’s the best sequel from that era
I think what also made the movie good and work out is that it has that "what if" kind of concept. It's just crazy and twisted on how they would change back in time to manipulate charmings memories and changing the glass slippers size to make it fit.
Cinderella seemed to be only(and first)disney film that has a really good sequel(ignore cinderella II)and live action
Speaking of the Peter Pan lore, there’s Return to Neverland. One of my favorite Disney sequels during that era.
There were good and bad sequels. Personally I liked Lion King 2, Cinderella 3, all the Aladdin sequels and so on. Movies like The Emperor's new groove 2 were meh and movies like Mulan 2 felt like they just read a synopsis of Mulan 1 on Wikipedia. But the whole Peter Pan universe was awesome imo
Cinderella 3 had no right to be as good as it was. I think Lion King 2 is also up there in quality (and I liked 1 1/2, I thought it was funny 😅).
WE WERE ROBBED OF SILVER MIST BEING SO IMPORTANT T-T
I remember when the story of this scrapped movie was coming out into the public, I tried to tell my friend about it and she gave me the most weirdest response, "Get your hands on a demo and watch it for yourself". I was like "WTF how?". It took me years to realize that she wasn't really engaged in the story of how Disney makes the sausage, she was just offended by the negative feedback the scrapped movie was getting, especially by people who hadn't even seen it yet. She always hated hearing negative feedback, so it felt logical to jump to the movie's defense. Even to this day, I feel like it was a dumb response because NDAs are a thing and how the fuck could she tell me to get myself a demo!!!
would be cool though if we could get our hands on a demo...darn NDA's
I feel like a demo has to exist out there somewhere since it was basically ready...and its been so long too, i can only hope it'll get released somewhere
I honestly think this story is way more engaging than the final movie. I hate the fact they made Terrance a love interest for Tinker Bell in the final movie. And the story about all of them disappearing is way more interesting and made a lotta sense to its source material.
But wasn't he kinda the love interest in the books too? I didn't read many of them but I remember seeing a page that said Terrance had a soft spot for Tink but was too shy to tell her (or something along those lines), and it had an illustration of the two sitting together, with him (or both? I can't remember) blushing.
@@reincenwash Seems like Tink never had any interest in him in the books. She only saw him as a friend of her. There's a version of that fight she had with Terrance in the movie but in the book and it probably came from there
@@junidacosta5977in the books, Terrance is literally called "Tink's admirer" lol
YESSSSS!!! TERRENCE HATERS RISE UP!!!!!
we wouldn't get vidia though
Incredibly interesting intro about the merchandising. It reminded me of a thrifted look & find book my kids have from around this era. It’s branded “Disney Bunnies” and features the bunnies from all of their franchises. Apparently it was a quickly failed merchandising strategy.
Can you find it and upload a video looking though it.
That sounds vaguely familiar.
Yes! When I was researching the Princess brand I saw a lot of stuff about a short lived Disney Heroes brand and a canceled Disney Dwarves brand. It’s interesting what they tried to do, and what ended up sticking
@@sarah_serif i have a disney edition of the game sorry! and it has like the weirdest combination of characters ever. one team is villains and it’s maleficent, hades, hook and someone else (the four player was lost long ago); another is like. animals i guess? and it’s bambi, winnie the pooh, dumbo, simba; the third is princesses but jessie from toy story is there for whatever reason (whole team is ariel, snow white, cinderella, and jessie); and the fourth is like heroes, and it’s hercules, buzz lightyear, tarzan and peter pan. i think it gives insight into the various lines they had going on in the early aughts.
@@faithmoir1637the fourth villain was Cruella DeVille, just looked it up
awesome video!! i had no idea there were any lost medias with this franchise :0
Same
Oh wow, i didn't expect to see you here Illymations! Love your videos
This scratches an itch in my brain I’ve forgotten about for ten years or more. As a kid I always wondered why the dvd trailer was so different than the real movie.
I would die to see ring of belief , that plot seems darker , more fleshed out characters, character development, orphans, imagination, seeing fairies die ?! Cmon
I think this is a proper use of the term “we were robbed from!”
Because lasseter robbed the ALMOST FINISHED movie concept
Hey! I'm the person who put together the compilation of released stuff from Ring of Belief (it's the video seen on the lost media wiki page lol). Really enjoyed this video.
I definitely agree that both versions of the movie have their own pros and cons. There was this google doc that was shared around -- not sure where it's from -- that said something about the test screenings doing poorly because there were too many fart jokes and "lesbian overtones" (lmao) in it, and like... yeah I can definitely see the former being true. I feel like some of the things that ended up being in the final version of the film could have enhanced the scrapped version.
I actually also think that Peter Pan should not have played a major role in the film, because I like the structure of the movies building up to him and Tinker Bell meeting. But a small cameo like Wendy ended up having, that would have been cool. And I actually think I see where Lasseter was coming from with the whole Wing Maiden/imagination thing, because "spreading imagination" is such a broad concept. I like that each talent in the final film has their own role in changing the seasons, and I think more of an emphasis on each fairy finding out what their specific role is would have been cool. Another thing I don't like about the original draft is the fairy school... it just feels kind of cheap lol but I'm sure it could be transformed into something more fitting for this fictional universe. Also, the heteronormative Romeo and Juliet idea SUCKS.
On the other hand, I think that going to the mainland being specifically a "changing the seasons" things is incredibly limiting because there are so many talents that have nothing to do with nature. The final film is also very safe. It's a fun time, but I do feel cheated from the intense story that the original film would have had. I always thought it was kind of a waste that the film series ended up being mostly stories you'd see in the smaller chapter book series, when they could be so much more epic. Also, for the record, I prefer the original designs over the final ones (although I don't mind the changes). I love that the friendship between Tink and her friends would have been a little more fleshed out, because I feel like in the final films we didn't really get to know them that well. Silvermist especially, I feel, gets reduced to being the dumb one more and more as the series progresses. A lot of the elements in the Ring of Belief version of the movie probably could be spread out over the course of the series. Whatever they had planned for Hook seems way more coherent with previous canon than what we got in The Pirate Fairy. The CGI also looks nicer in the scrapped version, I prefer that art style way more. And Tink's characterization seems more in line with her character in Peter Pan.
I hope the Morrill cut gets released eventually somehow lol, because this is all just so interesting. Also, I think Joel McNeely made a different score for that cut of the movie, judging from what we hear in the trailers, and I would love to hear more of that.
This is one of those cases where I wish that Disney Fairies and other girls franchises were treated like superhero franchises were treated lol, because I think seeing more than one person's expression and interpretation of what they like in a franchise is really cool and I wish Disney Fairies could be reincarnated in the same way. I wish that one movie *potentially* not being very good or to someone's liking wouldn't be the end of the world like it was here.
Also, in 2007 there used to be a game on the Disney Fairies website called “Hopeful’s Quest” where you had to complete a test in the “fairy school” that was a big part of Ring of Belief, and was administered by Fairy Mary in her purple outfit. They later revised this game with newer art in 2008, but I figured it was worth mentioning.
TOO MANY FART JOKES??? HELP
LMAO TYTY
not here for the fart jokes but i would have LOVED to see the version with lesbian overtones
I was a Tink performing at WDW in the early 2010s and we were trained to say that our voices were too small for humans to hear and that's why she sounds like a bell in the Peter Pan films!
Ok but can we please start a lost media search for ring of belief cause after watching the clips i really wanna see it now ☹️
I still have a pillow case someone gave me that has the original disney fairies designs on it and its black and white because it came with markers intended to color it but the markers were awful so I left it as is! I adored the original fairy designs. It felt more fantasy themed, almost leaning into like the styles people wear while larping at a renaissance faire. I was sad to see their designs change so drastically for the movies. :(
Disney loves to butcher creativity for the sake of capitalism. it's gross and uninspired.
I don't know anything about Lasseter, but as a lover of the first Tinkerbell movie (especially the first six minutes where the lore is explained and Tinkerbell is born) I'm glad that the plot wasn't about believing, but instead about nature. Traditionally, fairies are nature spirits that bring the seasons, so to me the film is quite faithful to real life lore and myth. I always get super warm and cozy listening to the soothing voice explaining who teaches animals to growl and who crafts the snowflakes. And then the dandelion seed travelling through a nighttime Pixie Hollow with a beautiful score as fairies wake up in their flower beds and all flock to the Pixie Dust Tree. I can't know for sure what the Ring of Belief movie would have been like, but I'm grateful for the Pixie Hollow we got.
omg you explained it so perfectly!! There's so much I want to say but i completely agree, while ring of belief sounds nice and has ELEMENTS that I would've preferred the released films to have (more focus on their friendships maybe and no Terence). The released films gave us such a better magical world and has so many details that are so precious (Tinkering machines, tiny fairies and their interactions with a big world, changing seasons, etc) that we have no guarantee the ring of belief would've gave. Plus the plot points are just a bit confusing (granted this is just an analysis of pieced together content that was found) and its more direct connection with peter pan just seems so restrictive. The only reason why I would want it to be released is just so we can get another tinker bell movie, but what we have had is amazing, even with its flaws, and what I hear other people talk about how ring of belief would've been seems a lot like their own theories and imagination than what we actually saw.. But yes the released films are so precious I'm glad we got them at least.
@@soup9884 thank you for your comment!
Thank you for your comment! I completely agree.
A lot of people are saying they like the darker theme of ring of belief but that’s exactly why I don’t like it and why I live the movie we do have. I love their lightheartedness.
My first reaction to this movie was thank goodness for John Lassiter because I dislike th ring of belief plots and their sequals.
But hearing more about him… eehhhh
Exactly!! Idk if it's cuz of the nostalgia attached but that first movie was and still is so magical to me, and so are the sequels. I honestly am happy this ended up being the final version.
this was such a great and well researched video! it’s so silly that this movie is probably sitting out there, almost complete, cancelled because l*sseter had an unreasonable amount of hate for it
also i had noo clue about the pixie chicks animation and the proposed trilogy where fairies discover heterosexuality 😭 that would have been … something
Honestly the most unrealistic thing about Tinkerbell is the idea that any of these fairies would be straight
Or even if they’re straight, the relationships are definitely queer. Tink and Terrence….one of them is trans at the minimum.
@@sarah_serif preach
@@crys_cornflakezand they sat tink might acthully be bi
@@sarah_serif exactly like, Tink LOVES Vidia ( in my mind XD )
Iridessa and Slivermist
Bro they love each other XD
Personally, I LOVE the fact that TinkerBell has a speaking role in the franchise! I liked the original Peter Pan version of her, but I always wished that she spoke in the movie, so it's really nice to see that change in her movies later on. Also, I would love to see TinkerBell and the Ring of Belief as a 7th TinkerBell film, and then maybe the other scrapped TinkerBell movie, "TinkerBell: Tinker Academy" as the 8th TinkerBell film💚
EDIT: Also, I think having Mae Whitman go onto the TinkerBell movies was a wonderful idea! I don't mean any disrespect to the late Brittany Murphy, but Mae has always been my favorite actress, and TinkerBell is what introduced me to her!🥰
Same like Brittany Murphy is a wonderful actress but for me personally Mae Whitman was literally the perfect Tinkerbell
how would they even make a tinkerbell franchise without her speaking? ☠️
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I feel like Tinkerbell did graduate but it's revealed she cheated to graduate or something so they revoked her fairy dust
I’m forever going to be sad about the Iridessa redesign. That two piece outfit was insanely cute
I notice how in the original version Tinkerbell is more in line with her original jerkish character. In this version, they turned her into Ariel.
Im not some professional artist or anything (yet, at least) but as an artist in general, I just wanna say it’s really neat to see someone acknowledging how much of our work and projects in general go unseen. It’s on a lesser scale, but I have SO many unfinished sketches and concepts just sitting on dozens of hard drives because of lack of motivation, or not having enough time, or simply because I decided I didn’t like them, and none of them will ever see the light of day. There’s definitely so much art and creativity out there that will never be viewed, even if it’s from hobbyists and not massive studios.
Omg the artwork of the fairy books brough back such a core memmory for me, the character design was GORGEOUS
"There was a lot of concept art of them together" my first thought when I heard that was, "AND THEY WERE ROOMATES!"
Peter Pan and the Lost boys seems to be just thrown in without thought. Why didn't they make them the orphans. It would have made sense if a younger Peter was losing his belief in magic growing up in a cruel world but the movie ended with him learning to believe and hating the idea of growing up. They could show it with a dramatic scene where Peter falls from something tall and it's like oh no she can't save him bc she disappeared. but her sacrifice helps him believe again and he ends up being able to fly and defeats hook with the power of belief that tink taught him. If I wrote it I would even add in a scene where the queen is like "the day is saved but at what cost. Children are meant to grow up. Who knows what chaos this could create in Neverland". But if they're going to do an origin story I think it should happen much earlier than the original took place especially if you want to include this as captain hooks origin as well (which you don't necessarily have to). Actually imo it would be better if you could have a hook who has been in Neverland and is trying to steal the fairies magic (bc greedy pirate) but ends up sowing the seeds of his own destruction so to speak by creating his greatest enemy. Although my one problem with this plot is that it feels like a second or third movie if you include Peter Pan.
A core memory of mine is seeing a tinker bell preview on a disney DVD and being so confused when the tinker bell movie came out and it didnt match the trailer
Same I feel like if i lost a part of my memory
Seeing the 2D test animation and photos... Man we really could have had a banger. It makes me so sad that even though most of the Tinkerbell movies are good, it could have slayed severely
So as a little kid about 3 or so, I remember seeing that trailer on DVDs and being so excited for a Tinkerbell movie. When it eventually came out and was nothing like the movie I wanted to see, 5-year-old me was DEVASTATED. For years my mom and I have wondered what happened to that original movie.. Thank you for solving this mystery that has seriously bothered me for 3/4ths of my life.
As a person who loves both Peter Pan and tinker bell
It wouldve been interesting to see the ring of belief
However i don’t know about Peter being in the first movie of tinker bell
Sense it’s a franchise it would be weird to show Peter Pan so early on. It would’ve been interesting for a final movie. Which is possible that’s what they were planning based on the movie
I mean hook eventually shows up but isn’t really a captain yet and is young
In the first movie they reference the little girl at the end is Wendy when she was way younger as well
So it probably was a plan to eventually have a movie where tink and peters friendship began
But I don’t think they were able to make all the movies they were hoping for unfortunately, I would’ve love to seen it though
I could be wrong but wasn't there supposed to be 2 more Tinker Bell movies. And in one of them we were going to meet Peter Pan and learn his backstory and Captin Hooks backstory as well.
24:19 I...genuinely thought, for all these years, that this whole segment (along with their subtle outfit variations) was some form of oddly vivid *fever dream* from my early childhood. Seeing all of this show up on screen made me actually second-guess my concept of reality for a solid 10min 😭
Thank you for all the thorough research you've put into this project, this has been a very enjoyable hour
If I had to guess the "ring" was possibly linked to how when fairies talk it sounds like "bells ringing". And maybe it's only able to be heard of you believe in fairies so you get the 'ring of belief'
I'm somewhat surprised she didn't talk about Tinker Academy, supposedly it was going to be the seventh movie, but was scrapped. I didn't know about this until I watched another video talking about Tinkerbell. Then again, there isn't a lot of information about it aside from concept art, but I still would have liked her input on it.
I wish they continued making a least a few more Tinker Bell movies. I mean, they already had a young Wendy in the first movie, and then Hook, Smee, and the crocodile in The Pirate Fairy. Having the film series end on a movie where Tink finally meets Peter Pan would've been the perfect way to lead into the Peter Pan movies.
Infuriating how one man can come in and trash so many people's years of hard work
I just wanna say I am OBSESSED with these videos. I honestly hope this becomes a tinkerbell focused channel bc my love for the Disney Fairies franchise is growing stronger each day. (side note: apologies for overfilling ur comment section with FOUR comments already, can you tell this obsession is spirally already?)
I definitely have lots more Disney fairies videos planned (and some other topics too!) And don’t worry, I love comments!
what sucks the most is that the money sink for ring of belief was probably a MAJOR factor in the studio's eventual bankruptcy. i mean, it was a small secondary studio that was probably always going to go down, but they made a whole fucking movie and john lasseter got it scrapped. the only thing he really did was kill disneytoon faster.
Now I wanna see the Tinkerbell snider cut.
For years I liked to say that when Tink was removed from the Princess line she was so angry she was threatening to expose Disney secrets going back to the 1950s the only thing Disney could do to calm her down was to give Tink her own franchise.
I actually found and uploaded the lost storyboard of the ring of belief, when Tink and her friends broke the ring of belief the queen gave them a quest to do, there was only a storyboard of Fawn doing her quest searching for the nest of patience
I was obsessed with fairy’s as a kid and I think they used a lot of the concept from ring of belief in the pirate fairy. I remember watching that trailer and just thinking it was teasing how fairy’s interacted with people, I was sad the girl wasn’t in the movie tho. I never read the books and understood why tink couldn’t talk to humans but could talk to the fairies those bloggers just gotta get good ig
It’s just interesting that Lassiter wasn’t on board with the Tinkerbell movie until they removed the female director and brought a male director in, who pitched basically the same plot, idk sounds like classic studio sexism to me. Add the whole Brenda Chapman thing to this, and it starts to look like a pattern…
It's probably a matter of time before someone gets a hold of the basically finished version and puts it out there on the internet
Fairies bringing the magic of the seasons is (to me) a much smarter magic system than fairies being responsible for kid’s “imagination”.
For one, the “imagination” system treats humans like cattle. Fairies live because of belief in them, so therefore fairies are able to control how they interact with humans and inspire that belief. Why even bother to imply having different talents when all you have to do is show up in front of a kid, flying with your wings? It treats belief like a currency. Instead, by interacting with nature, it inspires the idea to kids that they might have caught a glimpse of a fairy at work. Therefore inspiring that belief.
Second, it breaks fairy lore about rules of being seen by humans and that intrinsic link with the power of belief. And weakens the risk of dying of disbelief.
Third, the use of their talents to have magical affects on the world (and not humans, in this case) is still in line with fairy lore and creates an entire ecosystem that the fairy culture is based around. Instead of directing their focus on making children believe, their powers can be used in endless creative ways in their environment, or for whatever adventure they’re on.
In this way, the nature system brings magic to our world and belief isn’t something even the fairies can (entirely) control.
Wait, Iridessa's outfit was so much cuter in the og designnn 🥺
i know this isn't suuper related but one of the BEST childhood memories i have is of the original tinkerbell ds game, i LOVED playing it and was heartbroken when i eventually lost it in my teen years, i also had a wizards of waverly place ds game, and borrowing one of the hannah montana ds games for a day, but that tinkerbell game was one of my FAVE games of all time
I still have mine and was literally playing it earlier today. It's one of like 3 videogames that I consistently come back to over the years. Awesome to see ppl remembering it
Well, Roy wasn't wrong. It was soon after this, when they started marketing them as "the Disney Princesses" that a lot of the drama started happening. Even Disney started mocking their own princess stories, diluting their origins into stereotypes. Roy Jr. called it 100 miles away.
Since Lasseter had to leave disney due to sexual harrassment allegations I doubt he respected women very much
It’s genuinely so sad that somewhere out there, this cancelled movie is just sitting there. I’d love to see this and I’m a 14 year old boy lol.
"Ring" can refer to "ringing", the sound of sorts, like the sound fairies make when they fly or talk to people, I think that's what it means, the sound of belief, the clapping
They were going to make it 2D, and then they went with 3D? That is extremely sad. Especially for a franchise with the illustrations they had.
Back then, I was totally scammed into buying the first tinkerbell DVD because it said "how tinkerbell met peter pan" and I was like oh, interesting. BUT no peter pan, it didn't even feel like it played in neverland
I always preferred the books to the movies. The first one was adorable, but I was already accustomed to the books and found it a bit disappointing that it didn’t line up with the books. We didn’t see Rani, Fira, Bess, Prilla, and Beck.
This was a really great video! Ironic that the guy who was so vehemently against cash-grabs at one point would go on to write and promote cars 2 😬
isnt cars 2 like the worst
Seeing that scene of Victoria getting a glower crown definitely unlocked a memory.
I hate the narrative around Sharon Morrill, as if she wasn't trying to push Disney Toon to something with artistic integrity. I need her version.
Her departure from Disney conincided with that of talents such as Chris Sanders, Brenda Chapman and Alan Menken, so talent wasn't an isue.
The reasoning behind Timkerbell being able to talk but not being able to later seems simple. I thought the implication was that they always could talk but it sounds like a bell sound to humans ears (hence the name Tinkerbell). It’s too high pitched to too magical or something for them so that’s all they can hear. And so by later movies (I don’t think she talks directly to any humans in the following Faerie movies) and Peter Pan she’s mostly given up and let’s her actions speak for her. Why this seemed to go over reviewers heads Im not sure if other then it probably being a LONG time since they saw Peter Pan and just remember seeing her used in other material where she didn’t talk (which again is explained away by having no one to talk to or just humans to interact with, so it matches up with the original movie).
the 3rd installment of the Tinkerbell movie franchise literally explores this. Faries can't talk to humans because it sounds like tiny little bells being jingled, which makes complete sense. whenever Tinkerbelle tried to talk to the human girl that captured her, it sounded like jingling. Tink understood Isabella but she couldn't understand Tink. i don't get why people have such a gripe with this... it's a matter of interaction. if she can't have a conversation with humans, of course she'll seem mute, but to other fairies, this won't be the case, lol.
I want to belive ring of belief still exists and hopefully one day it gets leaked with all kinds of scrapped movie concepts.
The shot of Iridessa staring at a streetlight with a bunch of moths really cracked me up 😂
I always wondered why the final movie never had that human girl in the trailer but didn't think much of it since I was still a kid, so this answered my question, thank you 🤣 to think that the whole tinker bell movie was a big deal back in the day. I just wish they'd release more of the original content publicly online, all the constant rewriting makes the tinker bell lore more interesting..
I feel like wendy being shown as a cameo instead of peter pan who showcase that tinkerbell brings joys to wendy, a human little girl, who is representation of the movies target audience. Having peter pan there makes tinkerbell reduced back to her role as a secondary character since the audience would only focus on the more iconic character, peter, instead of “the pin up fairy” that the studio wanted to focus on and flesh out. People want and love to see how a more popular character interacts with a new cast of characters and a different setting.
Idk why I can swear I watched ring of belief when I was little bc seeing all those clips and stuff makes me like remember that I watched it 😢🤷🏻♀️
I was and still am annoyed that when you look at the dvd cover art for the first three or four Tinkerbell movies show the tree on the spine of the DVD cover and it's incomplete because the last movie was pirate fairy and it doesn't finish the tree 🙄
32:00 honestly the tone of voice in that clip makes me feel like the group was getting blamed, and she stood up and took responsibility for the group.
I wish you had talked about the lore of Return to Neverland, i know its not a beloved movie... But i really like it. And it talks about fairies not being believed in anymore.
Ring of Belief comes across as a Tinker Bell take of Winx Club or W.I.T.C.H. it would’ve made too much fairy type magical school girls. And the Peter Pan and lost Boys would’ve drag the Tinker Bell and fairy friends attention down. The 1st Tinker Bell somehow helped grounds the whole Fairy lore and now everytime I see Tink I always associate her with Pixie Hallow rather than Peter Pan, I think they could’ve made the Ring of Belief plot minus the fairy school as part of the franchise and tie something up on how they might lost the pixie dust and belief from children.
With all the sequels we have that talks about where and how Pixie Dust works plus visiting the main land and children’s laughter is what the fairies came from Ring of Belief would’ve been great as the 8th movie as it helps build up Tink’s journey from Pixie Hallow until meeting Peter Pan.
I didn’t know that there was so much history prior to the 1st Tink movie, such a great video. Amazing work putting up all materials that we have and yes JL is creepy 😂
I feel like I used to know everything about Disney but I swear I thought they started thinking about the princess branding after the success of The Little Mermaid like around 1995. It’s crazy to me that so many people were against making the Disney princesses a brand lol
As someone who loved the movies as a kid and now, I think they made the right choice on the changes. Although I am interested to see this "darker" version of the movie, It definitely had some big flaws in it that would of dated the movie & made it unenjoyable as a adult.
I'm going insane because the movie you're describing is the movie that I remember watching growing up...
you’re from a parallel universe
john lasseter: no girly stuff 😡
john lasseter: makes a movie about the ultimate boy thing- cars