Battlestar Galactica | Adama Threatens to Kill Tyrol's Wife
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- Опубліковано 26 кві 2021
- Admiral Adama makes a heavy threat in order to persuade Chief Tyrol to call an end to the strike he started on the fuel ship.
Season 3, Episode 16 "Dirty Hands" - Fuel supply snags reveal a labour problem but Tyrol's alarm is dismissed by Adama and Laura, dealing with Baltar's disruptive writings.
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so say we all 🙂
"How many times do I have to teach you this lesson, chief man?!"
This episode resonated with me on so many levels. Probably in the top five episodes of the entire series as, it raised so many discussions which mirror the world we live in.
One thing I don't see mentioned in the comments. Adama and Tyrol know each other extremely well. They'd been through hell and back multiple times already.
Adama knows exactly how far he can push Tyrol. Exactly where to push. He knows that he won't have to carry out his threat. Because he knows Tyrol knows him.
Tyrol knows exactly how far Adama will go. That if anything jeopardizes the Galactica's ability to defend humanity, Adama will be as ruthless as he has to be. Tyrol needed to be reminded of this. Adama knew that.
Adama knew he wouldn't have to carry out his threat. Because he knows that Tyrol knows that he would.
Adama was actually not against Tyrols plan as long as it didnt disrupt his battlestars combat ability. The moment hos command was compleatly reestablished and combat control with the deck crews reestablished he had no longer any reason to work against Tyrol. Basically along the lines of: "As long as my battlestar and therby our defenses remain fully operational you can do whatever you want." Tyrol used his men to put pressure on the president by pissing of adama. Adama made it very clear to Tyrol here that he would not hesitate to kill anybody if he sabotaged his military vessels combat capabilities. On civilain issues though, he had nothing against the strike and their intentions/reasoning. Adama made sure that the split between military and civilan in the fleet was not disrupted anymore.
Cain would propably have just shoot them and then "recruited" personal from the other ships to be retrained as engineers for her battlestar or force laboured the miners on the mineship at gunpoint.
Adama has quite progressive views, probably because his father was a notable public interest lawyer.
That's why Adama is a better leader likened to men like General Patton. Patttons men were willing to die for him, not out of fear, but out of respect.
@@damiendamien8695 then Adama shouldn't had to threaten killing all the strikers under such a weak pretence they were "mutineers". That's coercion, not leadership.
Amen bay bay
@@DiegoCandel They're not strikers, they're mutineers. As Adama clearly explained to Tyrol, military personnel can't pick & choose when to follow orders.
To the people saying that this was entirely out of character for Adama I'd like to point out a few things.
1. Adama was willing to remove Roslin as president at the end of season 1 for convincing Starbuck to go against orders and steal a military asset.
2. He was willing to nuke his own son, and Tyrol, to prevent an asset falling into Cylon hands.
3. He wasn't against the strikes but had always had a clear line between civilian and military aspects of the fleet.
4. Even in the real world most military forces will consider disobeying a legal order to be mutiny. In those cases you'd be given a trial. But BSG is happening under more extreme circumstances.
Umm, in times of war it's usually the death penalty AND it's the end of the human race, almost. Any liabilities could mean the end, so extreme measures HAVE to be taken, fair or not.
I am a retired USAF Major General and I have not seen Adama make one decision that I would NOT have made under similar circumstances.....well, not military decisions at any rate.
For the people saying this is out of character, I respectfully disagree. Galactica is a military ship, not civilian. Strike and mutiny are the same thing, the only difference is the context. On a military ship, everyone's survival depends on everyone else doing their job and acting as one body. Your CO is the brain and you are the hand. If Adama let this slide without a show of force and making them back down, he would only be inviting more mutinies. It's the same reason that we don't negotiate with terrorists.
At this point, though, he was transitioning them from servicemembers into slaves. Adama failed to accept that he wasn't just running a ship anymore; he was leading a society. When the leader of that society told Tyrol here to work when he told him to work or he would murder Tyrol's family, he was not speaking to a subordinate in a position of trust, just to a resource he considered to be no more than the vital property of the state.
@@ClickBeetleTV Very well said
Exactly so, Galactica was the only thing standing between humanity's survival and extinction. They couldn't afford for Galactica to be operating at anything less than peak. Over the years that peak reduced and kept reducing. The ship was already obsolete at the start of the series, it had been stripped of armour. The last thing it needed was to be short of fuel. Also when the deck hands decided to not assist launching of military units. Aka Vipers and Raptors... That was the last straw. Tyrol had a point, but so did Adama.
True but, this was not chosen and neither did they ever really get a decision. They are slaves in all but name and this was almost a slave revolt execution.
The job they agreed to was on a retired old museum ship not to be forced into servitude just because humanity is in danger
No, moron. When they signed up for the military, they signed up to follow orders and lay down their lives for the colonies. Military personnel are reassigned all of the time, especially in times of war. You don't get to disobey orders because you believed peace would last forever. When you CHOOSE to sign up with the military, you get to live with the consequences.
I have to agree that this was absolutely in character for Adama. He was going to nuke Kobol with his own people on the planet to keep the map to Earth from the Cylons. He was going to go to battle against the Pegasus to get his men back, he arrested the President of the Colonies when she was threatening to split the fleet. Adama might have been a lot of things, but he never made a threat that he wasn't prepared to back up. And, his point was valid...it didn't matter to him at that point what the motivation was for crewpersons to do their job....fear of death, a higher cause to protect and defend, a call of duty.....as long as they did their jobs and protected Galactica, which was the only source of protection for the entire human race. Once you see the scene in that litmus, and then Adama tells Tyrol that he can speak to the President, you see that Adama agrees with the sentiment where the civilian workers are concerned. Adama always has this kind of relationship with Tyrol...that he expected Tyrol to act in a certain way due to his responsibilities and talents, and worked to bring him back into line. However, Tyrol always acted on his emotions, over and over (Athena, Cally, and at the end when he snapped whats-her-name's neck, thus removing resurrection tech from the Cylons forever), and it eventually ruined him.
That wasn't Kobol he was going to Nuke it was the algae planet.
While I do think Adama was prepared to go through with his threat, I'm curious what would happen if Galen decided to call it and say "Go ahead and kill the entire deck crew and see what happens.". I get it, they need people to follow orders to make the ship run smoothly and I agree that Adama needs people to follow their orders but I don't know if he can squeeze that hard in this situation. Its an extreme situation but it could get worse real quick.
That show is amazing in so many ways
I love the way adama handled this
Adama is a hard man... but fair.
And this is why I supported the mutiny.
Adama was just letting him know just how real he is.
I always thought Callie was cute...until she ended up in that cult...with daddy issues. 🤣
Shes gotta be a freak
Tyrol missed the first lesson of striking. Don't move, don't give an inch. What he should have told Adama was "fine, shoot the entire deck gang. Then see how long it takes before you have a real mutiny on your hands"
That’s why Adama threatened Cally first. Would you sacrifice your spouse in this situation?
@@jamesxiaolong2199 easy solution: everybody strikes except her.
@@unematrix He went after the ring leader, who happened to be Callie. Which was an ace in the sleeve for Adama
Would’ve being doing Chief a solid by blasting Cally out of an airlock lol
TORY DID NOTHING WRONG
I'm with Bill
Eddie and Mary were the show
Adama is right on this one. Military personnel cannot disobey orders or ignore their duties simply because of their different opinion on labour laws. And despite Adama's kindness and integrity, he has shown multiple times he can be ruthless and cold if needed.
He was one word away from sacrificing his son just to deny Cylons a strategic asset. He was willing to start a civil war with Cain just to save Tyrol and Helo. He even ordered her assassination the moment he realized Cain is a tyrant. He launched a military coup to get rid of Roslin because she circumvented his authority.
When he said he would execute ten Callys to save the fleet, I believed him.
Loved this episode. Every worker has a right to be able to progress, dangering themselves, working all the hours, no chances for education. It was amazing.
Adama don't play.
Tyrol was right. The conditions in which people lived on the refinery ships were awful.
But he was wrong in applying that logic to a military ship… it’s a strike when it’s civilian it’s a mutiny if it’s military. Adama had every right
This comment section ain't it
I think tyrol get mad for two reason s. he knows he fraked up. he also Adama is right.
Frakked up? perhaps, but the strike on the refinery ship was REASONABLE. The Mechanics teams on the Galactica? less so cuz they are active military, not civilian workers. Thing is that Adama or Roslin have NO idea of the workload and pain that the crews on those refinery ships have to go through. It's SLAVE labor. They are not paid, they are not given the rights to do another job, they are working with shoddy equipment that looks about as stable as the Galactica's outer hull... but all the way through into the very conveyor belts and such. Aaaand people were taken from other ships to be put on those vessels to work merely cuz the Commander and President ordered it. Aka. that's Slave Labour at it's finest.
@@kinagrill You misunderstood me i was saying he knew frakked cause was doing what he had too. now mining ship i agree
Adama was not right and I doubt Tyrol thought that.
@@kinagrill You are talking like their Civilization hasn't been turned to rubble.
If Adama had put essential crew to the firing squad who would’ve refined tylium and serviced the birds? Even if it was just leadership it would’ve lead to a larger mutiny, not to mention starting back at square one with showing rookies how to do their new job
i keep seeing bsg clips of the president or adama being absolute monsters. i know it's a series, so no real consequences for that, but maybe putting the guy whose wife you threatened back into the position that could destroy your whole ship isn't a very tactical move xd.
Who will replace him?
Thing is: Adama made his point clear. "Put this ship and the entire fleet in danger, and I won't hesitate to get rid of you. Say your complains while still doingyour duties, and you'll be allowed to have a chance at changing things."
Notice how he said Tyroll wanted to meet the President at the end? He wasn't against the idea behind the mutiny in the first place.
What he was firmly against was the method of Tyroll.
Admiral Adama acts like Admiral Cain would. But he was playing with Tyrol, he would never kill his wife. They are like family to him.
The hell he wouldn't.
He was pretty willing to nuke his son on that one planet.
Difference is Adama knows that this needs to be worked out vs how Cain would do it by killing all of them and letting feelings simmer on the ship untill another munity happens. Never actually correcting the issues that cause them.
The only time I hated Adama was this scene. That's not his character at all. That's what Adm. Cain would do. Not Adama.
You never understood Adama, then. He would follow through if he had to, and would have hated it for the rest of his days. He also knew how to talk to his folks, and knew that once he had shown the stick, there was wisdom in offering the carrot afterwards.
@@mkang8782 You never understood that there are bad writers who have no fucking clues of what the previous writers established before in the show
The nerve of them to strike and potentially endanger what's left of humanity for WHATEVER the reason...just a straight up braindead move by the deck crew, honestly.
In reality making this threat, even if he later retracted it, would totally destroy any respect Tyrol and the rest of the crew had for Adama. He'd never get it back in a million years. Clumsy and illogical writing.
I dont think so, because Adama has a point: even ONE order being refused could cause the death of the fleet and the extinction of the human race. Its a risk he can't afford. And yes int he military, refusing an order isn't a strike, its a mutiny. And its not like in real life here: they are risking extinction if the capabilities of their ONLY military ship gets compromised. He HAS to restore order through any mean.
This proves you are a sheltered city dwelling western civilian. I have no evidence for this save your name and statement, but we all know its true.
If Adama had to cross the line of doing something unforgivable to impose order, you're right that he might not be able to go back to the way things were before. But he could go to the way things were under Admiral Cain. Adama would hate to become that kind of tyrant, but if it was a choice between that and the fleet becoming too undisciplined to survive, he would do what had to be done.
Plus if Adama did kill some of them. He'd have a real mutiny on his hands.
Imagine being so soft you think In am extinction scenario not executing mutineers putting everyone at risk is a bad decision (what people really mean when they try to hide it with out of character)
lmao what you're describing is the most direct route to a full uprising
And then you have ships jumping away because they don’t want to deal with the mad man killing them.
This whole storyline pissed me off. They’re fleeing for their lives and are in the military yet somehow they have time to want to strike. Imo, Adama handled it right with threatening to kill them.
I didnt buy this at all....
Buy what?
He was fully intending to nuke his own son into oblivion before though...
@@noobster4779 sacrificing 1 person vs killing people for not wanting to be treated poorly are 2 entirely different things.
Adama is also a class A bullshitter, I don't think he would have actually killed Tyrol's wife.
If it meant stopping further disruption of his ship and the safety of the human race, ya he'd crack an egg lol
He absolutely would have.
And have a real mutiny on his hands.
The only time I hated Adama was this scene. That's not his character at all. That's what Admiral Cain would do. Not Adama.
It’s precisely his character. The safety of the ship comes first and military are not allowed to disobey the legal orders of their superiors. Once he made his point, he encouraged chief to go talk to the President. Seems pretty consistent with Adama.
@@Gankhisprawn hahaha seriously ? Threatening to kill an innocent family member, a mother on top of that ? You're out of your mind.
@@power2084 the fact is they are both in the colonial military and engaged in active mutiny which put the safety of Galactica at risk. But I also think it was more of a threat to push Tyrol and get him to give up the strike. He was just making sure he got his point across that something like that would not be tolerated.
Adama was pretty explicit with why he would do it. He's in a leadership position. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. If he weren't willing to sacrifice Tyrol's wife to save everyone else under his command, leadership and/or protection, then he had no business being in command. Appeasement only makes the aggressor more aggressive.
@@czluver4338 that is completely stupid. As a leader, he should know that fear is not a proper way to lead. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" ....what, is this Star Trek now ?
This was the most out of character moment in the entire show.
Please explain.
Not at all. Adama is an authoritarian and he showed it many many times.
I have to disagree entirely. Adama is the commanding officer of the fleet, with every life that remains of the human race under his protection. He absolutely, 100% would make the decisions that would have to be made, those cold, hard calculations, that preserve the most lives, regardless of whether or not he likes what he has to do. That is absolutely within his character.
Lynch85, That makes zero sense to say that. That's what admirals do.
He did overthrow the government. No it's not out of characters and honestly I respect his reasoning. Humanity is on the line and they are in a time of war. Everything is on the table because the twelve colonies ended. There aren't any do overs and there's no reilef from the fact that Civilization fell.