Origins of religion, unloved men, and evolution denial
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As a homosexual coming from the cow belt and from a lower caste , with areas of hindu majority , tbh i have seen caste discrimination and queer duscrimination all over the hindu society as well , many a people (savarnas even OBCs ) actually told me to leave my job ( which is well paying) and go back to clean gutters ! And the homophbia is bad too !
Gulfraz (last caller), we'd love to hear more from him! If possible, please bring him back again. Thank you for this discussion. 😊🎙
Thanks man, it means a lot to me ❤
U are amazing buddy love to listen to u
@@Gulfraz_ oh God you are such a handsome guy lol 😝 would love to meet you in person man you are so knowledgeable and cool
Thanks, @@Gulfraz_ ! Your talk was very helpful. We want to hear from you again. Looking forward to it!
@@beactivebehappy9894thanks man ❤
The last call was very wholesome and also eye opening.
Professional trader was the funny guy 🤣 he was trolling himself repeatedly 🤣.
At around 1:26:30 the caller gives his interpretation on 'krishna & gowardhan parvat' by saying that Krishna did not lift the mountain on his finger (it was just a metaphor) rather he guided people towards the mountain to save them from the floods because people couldn't figure it out themselves and would have died.
If one takes that to be true then only one thing can be concluded from the incident i.e people were very dumb at that time with almost no survival insticts.
@kevivsunha5128 dear you may right also it may be metaphot but that's come how you didn't know first
Second you don't know what was happen there and what was public understanding at that time
You need to try to get idea how much knowledge people have at that time I can understand your knowledge capacity don't worry that ok my request to you just try to understand only vedas which not related to hindu try to understand this first it's totally different
Hope you willl understand
1:22:00 This guy did "ye hai aam zindagi" "ye hai mentos zindagi" while talking about Ram.
Lots of love to professional trader. I hadn't laughed in days. Thank you. ❤
1:25:54 Vimoh, your expressions are spot on
We have to all send some *purely scientific story* 😅😅😅 to our dear Professional Trader ... this guys our Bollywood's scriptwriter in the making, logic ki maa behan aur bhatheeja kar diye... 🙃
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hey vimoh , your intro tracks are so good , could you please send the playlist link of all your intro tracks {if it exists}?
That last caller was a saving grace among what were very shallow “arguments”. Pre Islamic literature from a queer perspective is so fresh. Can we have a more detailed discussion on this?
Sure sir, unfortunately a lot of queer literature, pre islamic and post islamic is very interesting. Rumi kept on romanticizing Allah as a beautiful man he is in love with, but unfortunately cis hetero normativemity snached that literature from queers and reclaiming is needed by queers. Infect what I have seen sufis are the umbrella term used by queer people back then. Well it's a long conversation. But it's very interesting. ❤
@@Gulfraz_ i need to know more about it , can u suggest like a compiled source cz i m quite intriged to know abt the stuff u talked abt in the stream. More power to u.
@@pixssassin could u mail me?
@@pixssassinthere is no such collective work tbh. But for me I did homework for me. I will surely compile the information soon ❤
I think professional trader yeh kahna chahta hai ki jo bhi mythological stories hai woh real hai par but usko stories banane ke liye ya logoko yaad rakhneke use badha chadhakar ya masala lagakar stories banaya
This Live was wild 🤣
The total confidence with which people repeat what they have been taught to believe 😂
I like the intro music and video of water flowing
that last person was gem
Hypotheses and hypothetical persuade , precedent preceding , perception on the cost of kettle in the universe
Oh ab samaj aaya benjamin Franklin hi Krishna tha
why no updation on spotify man??
Wakar definitely had us in the first half!
He has very poor arguments and ultimately preaching his religion, also saying that he’s very scientific in between. 😅
Somebody said "vimoh love story sunao Pak gya hu rationality se" 😂😂😂😂 couldn't stop laughing 2:05:54
Timeline?
@@Haraex I edited
1:26:03 Vimoh loves his job❤😂
Gulfraz is knowledgeable person
I think gulfraz was closeted exmuslim and now he had chance to speak about it that he can't stop Talking 😅
I am Exhindu Atheist. I am still closeted exhindu I don't know how to talk in call 😅
😂😂😂😂😂. Vimoh tolerated me 🥹
Upar se time zayada nai thaa oor vimoh ko impress krna thaa 😂
So i was kept on telling "Muje sab Pata he" Rajkumar yadav 😂
@@Gulfraz_ hahaha...
@@Gulfraz_Rajpal Yadav not Rajkumar. BTW nice to hear you. Please keep coming to this space. Good luck Gulfraz.
Mahabharat was largely written in 2 AD coz there is a mention of huns who ver orignally chinese who invaded india that time. ..
Professional trader is on path same as Brahmakumari
Your podcast is good source of comady for me. Good work vimoh.
@vimohlive, looking forward to next week's live to know proof of God by moins
47:04 ye banda bol rha befkufi waali arguments nhi hone chahiye, meanwhile his own arguments 💀
abhi is guy you can enjoy talking a lot and lot enjoying it.
Even PM said he's not biological and sent by god
Moins ke dimaag mein bahut toxic concepts incepted hain
1:20:41 cartoon character is his reality
AAP itney patient kaise ho? Aap thakte nahin kya?
Tonic lete hai .
You mean patience?
That professional trader ismost probably gujrati.
yess😂😂
Hi Waqas, I want to reiterate this point. Having no inconsistencies is not proof on its own. I'll write a book with ten facts and on the 11th line I'll write something that's not provable at least for now. Should we automatically assume it's true? Having no inconsistencies is never a good reason, it'll only act like extra when you already have different solid evidence to prove the facts in the book.
1:17:31 😂😂😂 he already knows
Moins needs to open up to concepts outside his beliefs
That Moin was giving typical Islamic theories and the muslim before him was also similar but he just didn't say it
This krishna one was once on realist azad channel......and was talking illogical thing and similar thing he's talking here
The Krishna guy should write a novel or start a tv show
I remember what Christopher Hitchens said about Islam .
There is nothing like critical thinking .. kyunki kl meri kya soch. Thee aaaj ni hogi .. jo aaj hai perhaps it's been kya rationalist approach hai ya radical approval
gobardhan vala toda acha laga 😂😂😂😂😂
Vimeo should start a series called retellings of Mahabharat and other stories with delusional callers 😂😂😂
Vimoh , I have got an idea .. u would be having such an absolutely absurd and abstract question ( can't say q.n.a session) .. i have some idea .. won't u work upon those things ... And compile the things .. it would be great prospect
Very abrahamic view....
Froggy jumps all around 🐸
jaise hi "may i audible?" bola, turant samajh gaya kaun he 😂
Professional Trader is conspiracy theorist. 1:28:37
1:07:42 yeh moinz ka comprehensive skills ka bahot issue hai.
he is fearful the atheist in pakistan because he has appropriate knowledge to debunk what we already want to prove what we belief. Nothing hurts more than hurt in belief system. I know!
Where is live chat?
Just slide on from right to left from normal chat
@@indianatheist1It's wasn't available that time
Thanx for great discussion.
Hi, vimoh , actually Ive been a rationalist. For quite a long time , but for this thing I got such a harsh treatment " although , itw'snt my problem in deed actually half of my family was/ is in purely theist order ( but fake) , and my father and me were atheist / rationalist .. but for the sake of this thing I lost my family and social platform .. actually what I learnt everyone who boast that he is theist is a real crook .. but he has layers of the persona and a platform not to defend him but most excusitively reward him .. i know ur also been the victim in some sense .. but tellme how to overcome .. because I'm perhaps not vocal about any thing I m just a believer of rationalistic approach about everything .. well I am a pharmacist .. muje bhi ki show case krvao thorhi daer k lye .. ki mujh me bee thorha confidence aajae ki , kaese mae apni baat rakhu
Vimoh is not Ambedkarvadi so just say Hello but he respect Ambedkarites ideology though
47:00 where is this guy coming from?? Quran itself had bashed Christians and jews left and right and he's claiming it's from the same tree???
The stories all come from the same text, the Jewish Bible. Many religious people don't read their own scriptures.
@@thomascromwell6840 of course... Quran is basically a cruel version of Bible.... But my point is when Quran itself is hostile towards Christians and jews then he can't put all these three religions on the same page and declare that they are brothers.
Quran says Christians could be your friends but Jews can't. Don't even try that. Ye banda ese he bhaichara dekha rha he 😂
@@Gulfraz_ Yahood(Jews )and Nasara(Christian) pe bharosa mat karna, Aisa koi ayat hai Quran mai ?
@@shadabkhan305yes
No one's loved "unconditionally".
Aap hamesha bhool jaate ho, sir😊
मैने लगभग हर तरह की किताबों को पढ़ा जाना समझा है गहराई से - किताब धर्म, विज्ञान, इतिहास, भूगोल, गणित, मनोविज्ञान, सामाजिक विज्ञान या फिर कैसी भी क्यों ना हो और मै अभी इसी नतीजे पर पहुंचा हूँ कि किसी को सच नहीं मालूम है और ब्रह्मांड के नियमो की जानकारी नहीं है l
यानी किसी को कुछ भी नहीं पता बस l सब बस अपनी अपनी बात बोल रहे हैं अपने दिमाग मे उठने वाले तूफानी विचारों से और खुद को सही मान रहे हैं और मुगालते मे जी रहे हैं l जबकि असल सच यह है कि किसी को कुछ भी नहीं पता है l
ब्रह्मांड बड़ा पेचीदा है और इसको समझने के लिए बहुत बड़ी करोडो तेज दिमागों के बराबर वाली अक्ल चाहिए जो अभी इंसानो के पास नहीं है l
दरअसल अक्ल के मामले मे इंसान बस जानवरों से थोड़ा सा ही बेहतर है और इसी बेहतर अक्ल के दम पर उसने अपने फ़ायेदे के लिए अक्ल को इस्तेमाल किया है मगर अभी उसकी अक्ल इतनी तेज नहीं हुई है जो ब्रह्मांड के नियमों को जान और खोज सके l
हमारा कम्पटीशन जानवरो से है और हम इंसान जानवरों से बेहतर हैं मगर असली सच इस ब्रह्मांड का हमको समझ मे नहीं आने वाला है क्योंकि हम इंसानो की अक्ल अभी बहुत छोटी ही है - हाँ जानवरों की अक्ल से बेहतर अक्ल है इंसानो की l
तो आज मे पूरे जोर शोर से ये घोषणा कर सकता हूँ कि किसी को कुछ नहीं पता है इतना तो बस मुझको अब पता चल ही गया है l
Vimoh galib ka sath ik live rakho
1:09:02 Typical religious bigotry chalu
1:02:10 according abrahamic relegion god created only ADAM and Eve so after that the offsprings did have physical relationship with each other . So abrahamic relegion people can not question Athiest and Agnostic about where they get their morality from
1:08:10 you guys have no right to talk about incests as incests is core part of abrahamic religion
Yeah that's point sex is just physical need
1:22:24 Someone stop this dude 😭😭😭
why there is haunted place? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤮🤮
Waqas ko adam seeker urdu, Pakistan mulhid,ex Muslim sahil ke channel pr jaana chaiye . Puri Quran me contradiction mil jaayega
Those guys are very dangerous for society.
Ghalib Kamal best hai or unke panelists jaise substantia nigra , Haji mast ali, Asim Saeed, Salvador Dali, Neo confrontst ye sabhi knowledgeable log hai.
Waqas came and proved that he cannot prove why he accepts the proof of God. 😂
The Muslim was wrong about Quran and all other religions.
He kept using the No True Scotsman Fallacy.
1:39:10 You could even say that religions evolved.
Not in case of ibharamic faiths, and sikkhism.
@@Gulfraz_ in their cases too, how they started out and what they are today is widely different (clarification: not all evolutions are necessarily good, in this context, it means adapting to the times for survival).
Today I came here for debate not for proove my point actually I came just to give another angle for thinking second I also interested in giving logical thought and destroy belief of this faltu iskon people who just want to proove there point without logic why they don't want to understand krishna can normal human being with super scientific thoughts why only he is God hope you get my points
Ain't no way lil bro
All the books which give krishna calls him as vishnu avatar
So you want those guys to reject all that
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@@krishnanusharma6186 yes offcourse it was written like that bcz public can understand that language only bcz of less logical thinking or you can say less creative thinking was there with public at that time
Again I say if you want to understand all this how I can claim all this and it must be illogical I have no isusse but if you really interested to understand that than you must ask right question to yourself with honesty don't trust on anyone and put all your religious belief at side than at one point you will get all your answer
@@professionaltrader415 who said people have less logical thinking the book was how to be a good human it has nothing to do with logical or knowledgeable thinking
To understand the book u need to connect with God Krishna says it himself
@@professionaltrader415 you swayed the topic
That wasn't the motive of my comment
01:23 this guy picked up this story from razz by big brain co. Which was founded by Ranveer allhabadia.😂
Moins is using the presence of marriage in different religions as proof of god, yet he believes other religions to be false/man-made. So obviously marriage is a societal construct for better functioning of society.
Professional trader to bhot delusional admi hai
Also ask same question to iskon people like why krishna have 8 wife they may not able to give answer you can say I am using you for my idiology but if logically you think than I am just using your platform for people awareness by which people can start thinking like this way also and my request you start one program where you ask people to give logic if so called God is just normal human being what may there thoughts you may find so many very interesting things and ya if you want answer of krishna 8 wife question you can ask I will provide same but before that I want your logic as well as other people logic than only I will provide proper answer which you also may find logical and aceptable but never accept answer from me that proove any other superior thought it will always logical but I wait for iskon boys answer might be in futere I may releive my identity but currently I don't have any plan for that hope you got my point
Why is your sentence so long?
@@Tonitasso it's called paragraph
@@mainahitohkaunbe There are no commas or full stops. That is one long sentence.
@@Tonitasso bhai ne ek saans me likha hai 🤣
@@mainahitohkaunbe 🤣
Totalitarianism and subjudication. Is it worth it
Ye koun waqas siddiqi hai jo kah raha hai quraan itna accha hai aisa hai waisa hai itna pyara hai mai khud ek Muslim hu quraan me likha hai islaam me mard 4 shadi kar sakta hai aur uske kuch reasons bhi dye hai ke agar us ke paas bohot paisa ho ya kisi se illegal sex ka dar ho ya to koi gareeb ladki ki madat kare it's OK lekin Ek ladki ko 4 nahi 3 nahi 2 nahi wo ek ko chd kar doosra kuch soch bhi nahi sakti mera sawal hai agar koi aurat ka dil kare ke use bhi koi doosre mard se sgadi karna ya pyar karna to wo kya kare usko koi permission nahi hai ye kounsa quraan ka acha kanoon hai ye to mai sirf ek kaha hu aise quraan me bohot sare problems hai
Sir aap in logo ko direct gaali de Diya karo... smile se kaam nahi chalega... 🙏
1:10:24 Yeh moinz ke logic se Mohammad Paigambar ji ke mata pita ki shaadi nahi hui hogi fir. Unse pehle toh Islam tha hi nahi aaur Shaadi is religious construct according to Moinz.😂😂😂😂😂
Point brother
Hi dear vimoh hope got my point I am not here to prove anything and I am not interested in any kind of frame my request to you is that don't think only one way like krishna means gods only why not normal human being with his great understanding give so many lession for human being for love better
Think in this way also again I am saying try to question yourself deeper and deeper once you reach one stage where you may find what exact ahm bramhasmi means
And one more thing it is not even related to hindu please keep your all belief at side and ask questions with honesty
Can you please explain what aham bramhasmi means, and how you understood it and how it drives your life now?
@@Kmscoffee yes I can but unfortunately it's not that much easy to understand because of our own bias thoughts for that you need to forgot whatever till date you believe if you Muslim than you must have that much courage to ask questions to kuran if you hindu than geeta and if you cristian than bible .
It's above all religion and it's have never relation with hindu we think that it's related to hindu but it's our belief only
coronavirus is live example of evolution how much you need
Moinz is annoying, he don't let others complete the conversation
Little wesley wants to be worshipped!
1:00:45 dumest argument..
Now hope you read all this comments and why I am writing this I am not interested in anykind of frame but I want that you start to create contains where you put krishna as normal human being and don't deny his presence not for my betterment it just for learning lots many thing from that human(krishna) life how he get struggle hiw he create his own kingdom how he live and if anyone say krishna have how much wife than also tell them 8 dont afraid as it was true and why he get married with 8 queen I have answer logical but not interested my request you think and than try to give answer
That thought of 8 wife and all hindu say only one wife is always priority it will totally destroy this idiology that's why I put this question I have lots many logic why it was like that if you need we may talk in future also if you interested other wise it meaning less
@@professionaltrader415one wife isn't the priority but u need permission from the first wife
But the first wife isn't gone do something like that
Moreover according to hindu religion husband and wife are made for each other or support each other
So if a guy has many wives things won't work out
Ok one logical argument but I will provide what may krishna was thinking and why he was right with 8 wifes I wait for other logic to come
Why do you need money? Don't you have a job?
This is his job
-The same reason that everybody needs money.
-He is a writer, and this is also his job.
Because he pays his bills 😬👻
Why you commented here? Don't you have work?
Grow baby grow Some Atheist have childish minds and intellect dont know about the hard problem of consciousness. All your debates are very superficial
First get some deep knowledge about it and then comeback. And tell me how matter produces consciousness.
If you have knowledge then you can debate him too on Saturdays.
Okey baby ap apne mature mind ka istmal Kar k Hamlin enlighten karye. Intazar he ap ka
This man thinks knowing about the hard problem of consciousness proves the existence of God. You only proved one thing and it's that cowards like you will hide with your god in whatever hole they will find. Why don't you debate any of us on debate night and we will clear your doubts about how the hard problem of consciousness will never be a place to hide your cowardly god or gods.
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Atleast we got childish brain, you got nothing up there buddy🥺🥺
Kya mahamurhon ko laa ke bakwas karne de rha h bhai 🥱