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First thing I do is remove the guard and spark arrestor screen. Been doing this for 20 years and never a problem. Just gotta not be stupid and run the string out a foot.
I purchased my Echo SRM-210 to use at my house in 2006. I removed the guard a year later. I keep the line at the proper length. If I unintentionally bump the head and it gets too long, I just clip it. I don’t run it if the string is too long. Knock on wood…I use it weekly and it is still going strong. I appreciate the channel and your videos. Keep up the great work!
Buy Mom and Pop shop. Echo has price fixing so it's no cheaper at a big box store. I took apart the head on my Echo trimmer and couldn't get it back together. Took it back to where i bought it (Dickinsons in Fredericksburg VA - they're an Echo dealer and Echo authorized repair shop). 20 minutes after giving it to them I got it back no charge. Given it was my mistake I fully expected to pay at least 30 minutes labor. Keep the Mom and Pop shops in business.
I bought a Husqvarna 326RJ Xseries back in 2009 and from day one I removed the string guard, to this day she still runs like a brand new one but I only have to use it once maybe twice a week here at the house. When she does die, most likely I will buy another Husqvarna, I've had really good experience with all the Husqvarna equipment I've owned over the years. Great video!!! 👍 👍
I ran echos, for 25 years, never replaced a part on any of them, spark plugs only. Ran the hell and abused the crap out of all of them. Not to mention the jacklegs that worked for me. Took the shields off before I left the mower shop. Had to clean exhaust ports out 2 times a season, other than simple maintenance, they still ran great. They were 21 to 25 years old when I got out of that miserable business. Hardest work on your body you will ever do.
Love your videos always very informative. I run a lawn and landscape business and have been told by my insurance company that if my shields are taken off my equipment, they will not cover any damages caused by running that piece of equipment without the shield, just like you mentioned Echo won’t either. Have a Great Day!
Great video Chick! 🙂 I love my Echo trimmer. Been running like a dream for 12 years! I never use ethanol fuel in it, no gum up and starts within 3 pulls every time!!!
I've always removed the shield the second I got the trimmer. Then I got a new trimmer. off came the shield for the first use. At about this time, I started watching your videos and decided to put it back on. Will leave it on from now on. Thanks for the great advice and for sharing.
Always take the shield off for me, even as I've migrated to the electric trimmers by EGO and Hart. I carry a small set of wirecutters to trim the line if gets uneven. Without the shield I can see where my line is and I have more control around trees and other objects.
I love the EGO trimmers. Never take the shields off them. They are there for a purpose. If they weren't necessary, the wouldn't sell them as part of the line trimmer. Shield on makes the trimmer much more efficient. Longer battery life and more effective cutting. You also void your warranties trimming without the shield. I don't know why you have a problem seeing your line or with control. No issues here.
I depend on the shield to keep me from girdling trees and bushes and protect my ankles from flung gravel. Didn't even 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑘 about engine efficiency. I only wish the shield were expandable to cover more or less area.
That excuse doesn't make any sense the guard does not prevent you from seeing where the string is in fact it gives you a perfectly clear picture of how far away from the center of your head your string is without the guard it could be three or four inches past where the guard would be and you wouldn't know it because it's spinning so fast you can't see it. Removing the guard on a string trimmer is idiotic and there is absolutely no good reason for it.
@@bobbyhempel1513i use to think that way. Then started trimming head and foot stones at a cemetery. You can reach across the flat stones and only walk half the rows. Vs walking around every single stone with the guard out of the way.
My Stihl trimmer is twenty years old, the only thing I had to do to it is purge bulb finally cracked last week! It’s one I also cut limbs & fire wood for the fire pit. It’s been a nice one.😎
Folks that have you as their Dealer are blessed because you are honest. Not all are this way. Keep up the good work! The guard requirement on the Echo Trimmer is a safety thing, and you know how they push safety. You can switch out the big wide older SRM guard for the newer small guard and have that meet the demand. Besides, the string really can throw a thin piece of shale or sandstone hard enough to knock your eye out. Keep the guard and wear good glasses~
@@Anto-kz5hk I worked for a government contractor. We used Stihl equipment and I can assure you that having a guard in place does help guard against injury. Now, does it guarantee that the operator will not be hit with something? No, that is why we were fully appropriate PPE, however, it is not likely that the operator will be hit by something with the guard in place. And like she said, on some newer models, the guard is an integral part of the system and needs to be in place for full functionality.
hell yea i have a stihl fs90 and wasnt even running the trimmer not even half way opened up ye know jus enough to trim around the posts holding up car port and the trimmer STILL kicked a small small gravel towards the front door to my house and guess what .... SHATTERED THE whole door so i cant imagine wha is possible kicking a rock like that running full throttle....some great big ole damage BELIEVE THAT
I always run my trimmer without a guard. You can get into tighter places, and it reduces weight. As long as you don't run the string way out, you'll never have issues. The trimmers that were shown that have a bracket built into the gaurd can still be run without the gaurd. You need to remove the bracket from the gaurd and then put the bracket back on the trimmer. Some trimmers you'll need to break the gaurd off the bracket and then put the gaurd back on the trimmer.
I watched the video of the guy that removed the shield I've been mowing commercially for over 20 years so I tried it. Nope I hate being covered with grass, slug goo and dog crap. I put the guard back on. Thank you for the great info.
Always off, it's much better for me, especially when edging, i can see where the line goes with my eyes plus the longer string, the more powerful or easier to cut the grass I know the guard is there for a reason, but i take it off over the convenience
I understand with edging, but you really dont get more power with more string. I got the Stihl KM 131 R with edger so dont need to flip the machine over.
The guard make zero difference as for visibility. I've never understood why people say that the guard off makes it easier to see it doesn't It's your technique. The guard doesn't obstruct my view at all and I love not having to mess around with string that's too long and use a rock to trim it or a brick wall or something.
I converted my echo pas - 260 combi system to a straight shaft and just put the trimmer head off the attachment on it. Added a darwin grip and been using it for over 10 years total and is the best trimmer i have ever used.I love the trigger system on it but I hate the trigger system on my srm 230.I have never had a single issue out of either trimmer but the pas-260 is just phenomenal. i wasn't using the attachments so i figured what the hell not to mention all the heads from the attachments fit the straight shaft so win win. Love your channel!!!
Having done it both ways, I have settled on a narrow after market guard. Still gives some protection and keeps the string cut to proper length without being near as bulky
I never run my trimmers without a shield. I do however love your Heinz Pickle Pin. Being from Pittsburgh, PA I noticed it immediately! Love your videos. . .I learn sooooooomuch from you. Thanks again. . .You are the best! John
I work for a Stihl dealership as one of their certified techs. Sales rep came in and was asking all of us what we liked about Stihl, which pieces we personally use, common issues etc...Basically told him what he wanted to hear. When he left I told the store manager it was a damn good thing he wasn't able to take a look in my garage or I'd have been found out 😆...(full of Echo)
The amount of cam issues I see on those are ridiculous. Plastic cam that's constantly wearing down causing the need for numerous valve adjustments until it's completely gone. Stihl came out with an updated cam cover that funnels the mix more directly onto the lobe, but it hasn't done much to my notice.
@@hoosierdaddy9373 if you run them withous a shield then ofc the cam lobes will wear out because of excessive heat exposure...thats why the line cutter on the shield is of major importance...every inch beyond the correct length add 100 degrees more heat to the engine because the engine runs slower reducing the cooling rate from the flywheel...simple physics...one other to prove my point...how many cams have you replaced on the BR500 and up blowers with the same 4 mix engine...betting hardly any because you cant change the designed operating parameters on those like you can on a trimmer by removing the guard...
@Out of the Box Models i dont know what model you bought but every stihl blower ive ever worked on works great...im sure if you took it back to the dealer you bought from they would have straightened it out...that said everyone isnt perfect but ive found stihl has a much lower issue rate than most in the past...
That seems really dumb. The engines on stihls are way better and its easier to work on stills most of the time. Unless you are just cheap, that seems like a stupid choice.
There is more than a little bit of misinformation on the internet. I have yet to watch one of your videos that I didn't learn something. Your really know your profession, your videos are well done, and a really big plus, you are well spoken and easy to understand. Thanks!
My dad's been in business since the early '90s, and we've always used Shindaiwa's and then Echo's.... With manual heads and no shield. As another commenter said, you use an appropriate length of string.... usually only as much as a shield would let you anyway... However, what you get from taking the guard off is a better view on what you are doing. The only time I let more string out is when I am doing an area when I am basically "mowing" with the trimmer, some place where you can't get with a mower, making sure I am running at full throttle. We never had problems with gear heads. Now that I no longer work for him and I'm a homeowner, we got a new Echo with a speed feed head and I'm having to get used to the bump head. I feel like it's really hard to activate on grass without damaging the grass or the head... I never found it troubling to just tip up the trimmer and manually adjust the string, but that's just my take.....
I'm commercial .as soon as I buy new trimmer shield is taken straight of. Can strim faster edge quicker. If I get 2 seasons out of trimmer I'm happy. Buy a new one and start again. The time I save trimming with gaurd of is well worth it
Your advise is so helpful. I am on a small homestead that is still considered "Residential" (Less than 1 acre) and the "Homeowner" manufacture warranty covers the five year plan. Although I probably use trimmers a little bit more than the average homeowner, it is still covered. Yet another way to save money and a little heartburn for the upkeep on my trimmer. Side note Always hydrate the trimmer line!!!! Thanks to your insight this has been a game changer!!!! Love the vids and please keep them coming. Loyal fan forever!!!!!
ok Bre this is why keeping the shield on is critical. the knife keeps the lines the same length. and most of that noise is low rpm line slap and if one line is longer than the other the head is out of balance or both are too long the line slap causes a shockwave back to the clutch. the other thing is many users goose the engine while trimming when they should hold full throttle all the time to prevent overheating and keeping the lines fully straight because you cut with the tip of the string if you try to trim with low rpm and a collapsed line you will wear the line in two where the string comes thru the head.. i love your videos. i began fixing small engines 59 years ago when dad gave me a tool set for my birthday.. this started my career as a small engine mechanic..i now restore vintage cub cadets and older john deere garden tractors as a hobby
I'm an Echo dealer myself. Something I'm surprised you didn't mention is the damage to the engine running a trimmer without a guard can cause. Running those long "helicopter" trimmer lines actually bogs the engine down, which then causes excessive carbon buildup inside the engine, and on the muffler screen. I've seen this countless times. And carbon buildup can cause a poor running trimmer. That's one of the biggest reasons for the trimmer guards. To keep the string at a length that allows for optimum performance from the engine.
First thing I do is take the guard off and have ram trimmers for years without a problem. You’ll burn the clutch up before a motor goes. I also remove the spark arrester screen first thing. Just run a little seafoam every now and again you’ll be fine.
@Dr Iatrogenesis you cab tell from the sound of the live is to long. Take it to the sidewalk and hit the gas until it's shorter. This isn't rocket science. Always better without the guard. That thing blocks almost nothing of substance and your can't see what tf you're even trimming
@@johndodo2062what now????? y ur higher then groceries right now bro wha about cant see wha ur cuttin with the guard on hahaha johndodo i do hope ur jokin 😂 fr
Have a used Redmax trimmer at least 10 years old and have never used a guard and have had no trouble. Hundreds of feet of driveway and yard edging so it gets run hard. Only replaced a couple of heads. We use full face shield and two pair of pants.
I work at a lawn care company and we are hard on our echo trimmers! Drop them on the concrete sometimes hit them with the walkers. They are somewhat disposable. We also sometimes run 2-3 foot long string.
How equipment is treated says a lot about the company’s standards. If you treat them better they wouldn’t be disposable! And if you need string that long, u should be using a mower instead
I'm a shield off guy with a Husqvarna 128LD. After watching this video I added a bracket and 2 bolts to keep that piece of metal tight without the shield. Thanks for the video.
Good video. My straight shift I bought in 1993. Runs great. Came with a metal blade and string trimmer. I have replace plastic primer and that is all. But my John Deere tractor is a 185 with the 54 inch deck. My trimmer is a John Deere 30g. Equipment does not have to wear out if you maintain them.
Always learn something from you! Next trimmer I buy will have the split shaft. My Shindaiwa trimmer didn't get the memo; It's still going strong, all original, except for a new primer bulb after 18 years.
I have a stihl FS250 trimmer that I have had 15+ years. I haven’t replaced a clutch yet. It’s had a lot of use and never a problem. Only thing I’ve had to do is replace the carburetor and hook loop for the harness.
My OPINION is, after having run lots of trimmers both ways both professionally and at home, I'm can say I feel a bit safer with the guard ON, and the trimmer line being cut to it's proper length by the guard's blade. With the guard OFF, your legs and ankles tend to get pelted with all kinds of debris, especially if you're cutting in an area with alot of dirt, gravel, broken glass, etc. The guard prevents alot of this. Also, with the guard OFF, the trimmer line can get a bit long if you bump the trimmer head too much and you can get line that is too long, doesn't cut well, can wrap around things and creates slot of drag on the engine which forces you to rev the engine higher to keep the line stiffer for cutting. Puts alot of strain on the engine. For me, there's no "great debate". Guard ON. 😁👍
I have FS85R thats 22 years old that hasnt needed any service done to it yet. When I bought it new I changed the shield to the brush cutter shield cause I didnt like style of the trimmer shield. All I did was run fresh 2 cycle mix fuel since day 1 of when it was purchased. Nice video
That is because it is the BEST Stihl trimmer ever made. I wish I had a new one of those! It would outlast me. I am starting to see them all fizzle out though. After 20+ years the whole machines are worn plum out.
In my opinion the BEST small, light and powerful curved shafts Stihls were the FS 72 and 74’s with the FS 76 basically having the same engine but with a straight shaft and handlebar to make a brushcutter. These early FS models were lightweight and powerful and designed fir people who couldn’t lug a FS 75 or 80 for long. The modern day counterpart is the FS 38 and 45 line which are complete junk in comparison. Take a FS 72,74,76 motor and install a short straight shaft and old style polesaw gearhead. Talk about a mean short polesaw for close in de-limbing of trees.
With my Stihl FS 66, Made in Japan, I run it( I have two) with the shield off as it will run a longer string with the shield off and I can nearly double my productivity with the longer string and it also seems to use less string when I run it long. I have been running them that way for around 30 years. I do however grease the heads with Stihl grease twice a year.
Many years ago, when I owned a commercial lawn business, we took the shields off, since it made it easier to see when edging. That said, I only recall one trimmer having the motor "wear out". Never had one wear out the gear head. All of the other trimmers ended up getting stolen or we sold them used to get the newer model. I have a 15 year old straight shaft Echo 230 with original carb that I still use at the house and has the guard as well as a an Echo 3020T that I use on my ranch. Both have guards. Getting older and dislike getting pelted with stuff and not doing a whole lot of edging, anymore.
I took the guard off my plug-in Stihl and now it works very well, can even mow the yard without it getting too warm. With the guard on it would barely function because it was SO close to the string. I keep a magnet on the upper shaft pipe and a pair of dog nail trimmers to clean the line. The shields induce an air-flow drag that maintains tension up the shaft through the clutch when running, the question about that customer's unit is whether the clutch readily when it gets pushed into grass at idle.
Down in south Florida back a while, we only ran Shindiawa T25 and T27’s. Before we even started them the shield was removed. They ran for years without any trouble.
I guess if someone is hellbent on running it without the guard, but realises there could be some maintenance issues for doing so, they could just leave the bracket in place and take an angle grinder to the plastic guard.
I had a shindaiwa T27 in the early 90s to 2006. It was amazing and the only thing I had to replace was a gas tank. They were great back then. Good old days.
I leave the guards on mine, I also sharpen the line cutter so the strings are the same length for balance. When I was working in a shop we started putting zerk fittings in the shaft tube to grease the shaft as well as the head. BAD idea!! The grease softened the rubber bushings holding the shaft centered and they spun out leaving the shaft to wobble. I ended up replacing the shaft tube on my own cutter. That was a Sach and in the mid to late 80s.
We take them off as soon as we buy them. Once you've ran them for awhile you can judge how much string you can run without bogging it down. We had a contract that required them so we drilled a couple hole further back on the shield and put cutting blade there to increase the cutting diameter
I have a green machine 2800 I bought it in 1990 .. I’ve used it commercially when I had a lawn service.. I have a blade on it now… and I still use it at least once a week…. It’s a awesome machine… I wish they still made them… thanks for your videos girl…
Just so you'll know. Husqvarna's have a standard 2 yr warranty. There is extended warranty available 3, 4 and even a 5 yr warranty with stipulations. And the units need to be registered thru Husqvarna. Which is something the big chain stores don't even fool with. All the more reason to buy a unit from a specialty store like yours Bre. Sometimes a little extra money at a specialty shop saves a lot of headaches in the future. Love your videos 👍
As an Echo mechanic for many years, I have seen just how the missing line shield can damage the machine. Mostly on commercially used units, but also on some residential units with guards removed, and the lines clearly WAY too long. Which causes the small engine to lack the power to drive such a load at high enough RPM to make the clutch engage completely--without slipping--which gets the clutch parts so hot that the springs lose tension (making the head not freewheel at idle) and causing excessive heat around the clutch cover, etc--and possibly melting the plastic and destroying bearings on some other trimmer models. Troybilt are worst. How you gonna set down a curved shaft running with the guard removed? YOUR machine--YOU are gonna pay for the repairs if you cause damage from running too heavy a load with too long lines. Not me.
I appreciate your comment. The line being too long because the cutter attached to the shield is not there makes sense. Additionally, I had not idea what kind of problems that caused.
I have a Husqvarna 324L straight shaft trimmer for over 10 years now and have used this trimmer heavily without the shield with no issues. I do my own maintenance and ensure it runs in tip top shape each season. I usually do more than 2 to 3 hours in trimming with round line 0.95 in a day when in use. This by far has been the best trimmer I've ever used and if Husqvarna will continue to make it I will buy it. I've had no issues with the shield off of it. It's easier to get in between areas I couldn't usually get to before and it makes for quick and easy work. I do use a full face shield when using it though. Love your videos!
the primary function for the shield isnt to protect the operator from flying rocks but more to do with the thermodynamics of the cooling efficency for the engine. the line is cut to optimize the heat generated to the cooling airflow generated by the flywheel...its at harmoney when the line is cut to length by the shield...when you operate the line longer the engine runs slower with the same or more heat generated and cooling airflow is lower and cant keep the heat from afftecting the engine...a good comparison is a car engine running at peak rpm...with cooling compacituy at 100% is ok but now the same engine is generating the same or more heat at an 80% cooling capacity....problems will happen over time...
Thanks for explaining that. I’ve used Stihl’s largest trimmers for years to keep my rural property safe from wildfires. I’ve always used the shields. I have to buy a new shield after a a few years due to wear from thrown debris-they help. I also like to frequently advance my line to maintain max efficiency-a sharp cutter is way better than having to manually cut the line.
Exactly, I was surprised she did not make any mention of that in the video. The main reason besides protection is to make sure the line is not longer then the mfg intended so as to not put strain on the engine.
I’ve got a couple of straight shaft weedeaters I have a stihl 110R and a Green machine 2800… the green machine I bought in 1990 and I used commercially for 2 years and I use it weekly now … in my opinion the green machine was the best one ever made..thanks for your videos…
to me the guard is in the way ,but alot of people don't realize u can take the little screw on the side put few drops of gear oil in the head the bearings and gears will last alot longer
What is the guard in the way of? I use a string trimmer for upwards of 6 hours a day multiple days a week and have never had a problem with a guard being in the way.
Did lawn maintenance for 40 years and always used STihl trimmers36-39 cc. Never used protector, never had gear head or clutch problem. I noticed most commercial folks today use 21 -25 cc trimmers which would be a lot more sensitive to heavy loads The main reason I don't like them is the auto cut keeps the length of the string at least 35% less than what I like but again, I use 36 cc and up
I'd like to also add that ot depends on the comfort level of the operator of the trimmer along with proper safety gear just as you mentioned. Keep up the great job!!!
I take my guards off, but not so much to run longer line as to trim around obstacles like fenceposts easier. And we use mainly .095" line to prevent the motor from working too hard and just kick out length a bit more often. Would never run .105" with no guard and long lines.
I have a large wet area that I keep mowed with an Echo commercial trimmer that takes me at least an hour to cut. I upgraded to the larger shield rather than the narrow one that came with the machine, so I don't know how someone stands to run one with all of the junk hitting you. I will continue to run mine with the shield on. By the way I use a face shield until it gets too hot to stand it then, I just use safety glasses.
love your videos, after watching your video filmed around your pool, having retired from he swimming pool industry 30 plus yrs contractor repairing various electrical and heaters, pumps, filters, automation . I would like to offer some free advise I noticed the water sprinkler in the pool, having spent 7 yrs in Az. various pool builders installed aerators when building pools , to cool down the water, while this practice works it also adds to T.D.S. total dissolved solids , you definitely don' want this. Best You. Steve
I have been in the lawn care business for 23 years and just last year I finally decided to try with the shields off, I will never run shields again, what a game changer.
Since 91, I've had my own lawn service in Florida, Orton golf courses in Florida, and North Carolina, plus maintain my own 3 Acre property. That's my experience. The most durable weed eater I've ever used was still fs80. The best weed eater that I love to use was Robin down at the golf course. I used to be able to weed eat with eitherhand you know in my sixties and I'd Amaze these young guys. I've always run my trimmers with the guard off so I can see what I was weed eating, and put a nice Edge on the lawn. My bosses liked it at the golf courses. I am surprised you didn't tell the people to take those that bolt right up top and kiss some grease in there that's exactly what you do you kiss it in there once a year that's all you have to do are you won't have any gearbox problems. When the golf courses bought husqvarna's, they broke they're junk. Echo and shindawa were back up weed eaters then and back and back up weed eaters now. If you're on the business you should be running a steel fs55 or fs80. stihl 4 cycle eqipment dont have the Rs to do what im doing. In your video, you need to be knocking off a couple of inches off your string, its too long. Look at the plastic around your exhaust port to see if you're working the weedeater too hard. And while I'm thinking about it I use the diamond string or a square , it does a a better job. I can always tell a lawn where the uninformed gardener has been using round string.
I saw the same video and tried it on my Stihl. I used it two times (about 3 tanks of gas) and hated it without the shield. I put it back on. About 75% of my trimming is turned up edging walks and driveways. Glad you did this video. Great, just like the rest of your videos.
When you take off the guard it also removes the cutting blade. When your strings are not the same length,you get a wobble that destroys bearings and clutches.
Yeah not really, the line gets trimmed to the same length by whatever you are cutting. The only real negatives are more broken windows and sometimes you bump the head too much in rough terrain and the string ends up too long. Then you have to stop and wind it back in a few clicks.
If taking the quote plastic guard off the trimmer will ruin the motor that weedeater must be made pretty poor to begin with im not buying taking the guard off will cause any damage if the line is to long just snip it shorter thats a no brainer
I am a homeowner with several hundred feet of driveway to edge along with dozens of trees. I haven’t used a guard in over 30 years and have only worn out a few heads. We have Redmax trimmers and they have plenty of power even when we over extend the string.
A TRUE experienced commercial landscaper will not only remove the shield, but he will also replace the head with a manual-feed head. They can lengthen and shorten the line as needed for the specific spot they are trimming. This takes any overload off the head and gears that would be caused by an excessive amount of line out.
I "borrowed" a Shindaiwa T242 from my mother's ex-husband about 10 years ago. I just now yesterday had to put a new carburetor on it but that's only because one of the adjustment screws was stripped. Also it has not a had shield during my possession with no issues. Only cutting a conventional neighborhood size yard though.
Very well done video. Someone mentioned removing the screw on the side of the head and adding a few drops of gear oil and stated your gears and bearings will last longer. Is there PM maintenance that we can perform on our heads that can extend their life? Perhaps you can do a PM video(s) on this matter. Thanks.
Very well requested Sam P. Was wondering that myself. I know Husqvarna and Stihl sell a special bevel gear grease for the heads but it is super expensive. I ran across an OEM recommendation from a different manufacturer stating that an EP 00 grease will suffice. That is what I run in the gear box of my snow thrower. So I went down the road of research on EP 00 grease. Apparently it is a mineral oil base with lithium soap added to give it the extreme pressure designation. Additionally, the mineral oil base does not destroy self-lubricating brass-graphite bushings where as the petroleum based gear lubes will have a deleterious effect on said bushings. Would love to hear the master Chickanic weigh in on this given her years of judgement and experience. Cheers
My sthil FS-250 is 9 years old, never been in the shop, still running great, it does double duty as a trimmer, and a 14 inch bar polesaw on 4-1/2 acres 😊
I used to use mine with them on, but once I took them off I never went back. The increased productivity was why I decided to run them off, and the common complaint about worn out clutch or gear head, that’s only when you let the line get way too long for an extended period of time. I am careful to not let it get too long, and I haven’t had any probs with them; Stihl FS-94R is the one I typically run.
Same here, I use echoes and have been running all my weedeaters without the guards and haven't had any mechanical issues and I can see no difference in debris being thrown back at you with or without the guard. But I've been doing this so long commercially that I can feel the motor start to bog down immediately from the string being too long. I rarely even get the string too long anymore because it's almost like a sixth sense at this point to keep the string at the right length.
As usual I learned a lot from you today. I've had the clutch issue before with several line trimmers. I usually just get a new one when my line trimmer goes out, got an 18v Ryobi 7 years ago, it's still going strong and has outlasted every gas powered line trimmer I've had. I have many batteries and have enough to finish every job I do. I serviced, sharpened and cleaned my 8 chain saws yesterday because of your inspiring videos. Thank You! By the way, don't mean it inappropriately, but you got really nice legs, had to give credit where credit is due. 😉 But you're probably the sexiest chainsaw repair artist in the country, so you have cred!
I don't use a guard. My use case is around trees and a long several hundred feet of chain link fence, only using trimmer line. Since I'm not using any dangerous accessories, it's more versatile without the shield and I don't lose trimmer line to the shield cutoff feature.
Hello Chickanic great site I have been working at Professional lawn care Council and My own Business since 1999 I have never removed a guard been hit in My face and all over My body many times I now wear a hard Hat and face shield cheers Michael Sunshine Coast Australia.
THANK YOU! I've been a certified outdoor power equipment technician for 30 years, I have worked in many dealerships and also have owned my own company since 1997. Everything you said here in this video is spot on! One more thing I might add, is that there are liability issues as well. We do not let a trimmer out of the shop without the guard on it, because if the user gets hurt, or hurts someone else, we are at fault and could be sued. What the user does with it after it leaves the shop is up to them, but it does not go out that door without a guard on it, and we let the customer know before even taking it in to the shop that this is the case, and if they argue, we don't work on them, period. Same goes for people who tape or tie the engine brake bars on their mowers, or remove the spark arrest screens from saws and trimmers, they do not leave the shop without that being remedied.
@@thepitpatrol /shrug wont make much difference one way or the other in the grand scheme of things.. I just know without shields they ARE more dangerous, it DOES put more stress on the whole unit and are a bigger pain to work one and hang / store without shields on them also..
@@DB-zp9un how is it a bigger pain to work and store? I agree it will put an additional load. I just don't understand how it makes it harder to store and use.
@@thepitpatrol Well unless you have tons of storage area that you can lay trimmers on the ground, I know lots of dealers hang trimmers by the string head area.. Without a shield, you're just asking for a headache literally... As far as working on them, unless you have one of those trimmer holders when working on, which I've had very limited luck with, if adjusting carb and stuff it's nice to be able to have it sitting on the bench and run it.. With no shield on it, that ain't happening.
I bought an echo SRM-210 15 years ago and it is still going strong. I live in southeast Louisiana, so the longest period of time the trimmer sits up is about 6 weeks . I’ve never run ethanol through it.
Only thing I will say is this. I have used with guard on and off. It's been a noticeable change in the cutting capacity. I experienced it being worse cut without guard to maintain the correct radius and speed of string. Whereas with the current length it cuts faster and more reliable.
Always used my Echo srm-225 with no shield. I can see what I'm doing much better. I also never advance the line by bumping, I just turn the head and let a little line out here and there as I'm working manually. I don't like the idea of the trim line being cut off and waisted, it's easy to let the right amount of line out as needed. I've got to be careful edging sidewalks to make sure I'm off to the side in case a rock gets kicked out when running it vertically.
I watched a 1 inch lump of stone (seemingly in slow motion) fly across the yard and through a fence panel afterbeing kicked up by my mid sized strimmer, so for safety reasons I'd recommend you leave the guard in place, that and If your machine is still under warranty as you can void your warranty if not used as recommended. But at the end of the day its up to the user and weather they have the safety of themselves and others in mind! And funnily enough I think I watched said video the other day and thought "what a numbskull" Oh and one final thought, the guard has the string cutter built in to limit the amount the head can get out of balance, that'll slowly destroy the head.
I like her, I bought a $600 Sthil brush cutter.. Put a cord on it. I used it 15 years.. Gave it to a friend. I have electric now due to vibration issues with my hands. It runs perfect still.
Interesting and informative that some models use the friction grip of the guard to absorb some of the torque between the gearhead and the shaft. And very useful info about how to save a few bucks on the gearhead. Thank you. If I may, however, I think you missed the core of the issue. If you remove the string cutter to run a longer string and cut a larger 'swath', you are pushing the trimmer's loading. Longer string takes more force to spin, which means more throttle to spin at the same speed (more wear?), more force to spin up suggesting a longer time in the 'slip' phase of the clutch (more wear?) and more torque across the gearhead to keep the longer string spinning while cutting (more wear?). Think of it as like trying to play baseball with a 5 foot long bat. If you do a part 2 on this I'd love to see you address the longer string issues.
I have a Stihl FS 80 that my dad bought brand new. The guard is still on it and the only thing I’ve done to it is about 4 years ago I had to put a new carburetor on it and it hasn’t missed a beat since. I use .095 square line and it still does a wonderful job. Just had to replace the head this past week too. Keep up the great work!!!!
I took the guard off my T230 in 1997 and it's been off ever since. Long string is cut with wire cutters. Not one accident from flying debris, and it's still running strong to this day
Home owner in s.e.Az, high desert. Tumble weeds, catclaw, baby mesquite, Bermuda & lots of dirt... Had my Maruyama BT23L for 7+ years now... Still got the original shield, with the original cutting blade on it. During the season, June to October, I use (re: beat the hell out it) it weekly and it has yet to fail me!
Never had a clutch issue on my STIHL's. The shield keeps the string at the proper length and weight. Too long of string the RPM drops and you lose cutting efficiency.
This ^^^. Richard here beat me to the point I wanted to make. When I tried without the guard, I gotta say it was nice and nimble, easier to work around things. But I had the same problem, to the point that I thought the carb had fallen out of adjustment. Then I ran up along some rocks and the line shortened, and suddenly it was spinning faster again. It was just too easy to get too much line spun out. Put the guard back on and problem solved. Crazy that just a couple inches of line can put that much stress on the machine.
Thank you very much sir I've been advising these local imbeciles we have around here,ah yes, I tell them your RPM'S will drop significantly and this drops productivity not to mention that your engine is designed to run (WFO) WIDE F...... OPEN.
@@jonathanwillard1776 as a retired STIHL tech and been to countless STIHL schools the engineers explained how things work. And of course one needs a grasp of centrifugal forces. Imbeciles! 😂 that's funny!
I use a guard but u save line and weight. U take it off just don't let it get super long then rpm won't b a problem and have best of both worlds. Just can't be a goof ball n hit the head n let 20ft out all the time lol
@@dustyscott3107 I have a decent quality Echo trimmer, and the difference between working well and struggling was like 2", at most. And pretty much impossible for me to discern while running it through weeds, etc. Did NOT have to get "super long" or "20ft" to cause problems.
I bought a Robin trimmer about 20 years age and tried running it without the shield and it wouldn't running right it would bog the engine down . But it still runs great after all these years .
I'm new to gas lawn equipment and I'm only using it for residential. I enjoy watching your tips and informative advice. With that said, I purchased an Echo PAS 2960 attachments. very happy with my purchase.
If you use high torque trimmers with the "T" designation in the model number, you should be able to run without the guard. Main thing is listen to what your engine is telling you. I have units that destroyed the clutch from people not listening to the engine, ( all standard models,) but yet to have any high torque models wear a clutch out. I haven't watched the video yet, so I don't know what is being said. But we go through several gallons of two stroke mix per week, trimming around tombstones, large commercial buildings, etc. We do lots, I mean more than average amounts of trimming even for a lawn care company.
Good video. I just subscribed because of it. The manufacturer put the guard on for a reason. They wouldn't do it otherwise. Cost being #1. Someone got hurt, or there was a lawsuit before the guard was added. Look at the mowers and chainsaws from the 1950s! I'm old enough to have owned and used a 1950s Remington and a 1960s McColluch chainsaw.
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First thing I do is remove the guard and spark arrestor screen. Been doing this for 20 years and never a problem. Just gotta not be stupid and run the string out a foot.
I purchased my Echo SRM-210 to use at my house in 2006. I removed the guard a year later. I keep the line at the proper length. If I unintentionally bump the head and it gets too long, I just clip it. I don’t run it if the string is too long.
Knock on wood…I use it weekly and it is still going strong.
I appreciate the channel and your videos. Keep up the great work!
Me too. Easy peasy
Buy Mom and Pop shop. Echo has price fixing so it's no cheaper at a big box store. I took apart the head on my Echo trimmer and couldn't get it back together. Took it back to where i bought it (Dickinsons in Fredericksburg VA - they're an Echo dealer and Echo authorized repair shop). 20 minutes after giving it to them I got it back no charge. Given it was my mistake I fully expected to pay at least 30 minutes labor. Keep the Mom and Pop shops in business.
I run no-shields on my Echos but keep the line at an appropriate length.
I bought a Husqvarna 326RJ Xseries back in 2009 and from day one I removed the string guard, to this day she still runs like a brand new one but I only have to use it once maybe twice a week here at the house. When she does die, most likely I will buy another Husqvarna, I've had really good experience with all the Husqvarna equipment I've owned over the years.
Great video!!! 👍 👍
I ran echos, for 25 years, never replaced a part on any of them, spark plugs only. Ran the hell and abused the crap out of all of them. Not to mention the jacklegs that worked for me. Took the shields off before I left the mower shop. Had to clean exhaust ports out 2 times a season, other than simple maintenance, they still ran great. They were 21 to 25 years old when I got out of that miserable business. Hardest work on your body you will ever do.
Love your videos always very informative. I run a lawn and landscape business and have been told by my insurance company that if my shields are taken off my equipment, they will not cover any damages caused by running that piece of equipment without the shield, just like you mentioned Echo won’t either. Have a Great Day!
Love the way you say "Hooskavarna"
Thats how you are supposed to say it lol
I find her enthusiasm for these topics welcoming. A new perspective. Thanks chicanic
Great video Chick! 🙂 I love my Echo trimmer. Been running like a dream for 12 years! I never use ethanol fuel in it, no gum up and starts within 3 pulls every time!!!
I've always removed the shield the second I got the trimmer. Then I got a new trimmer. off came the shield for the first use. At about this time, I started watching your videos and decided to put it back on. Will leave it on from now on. Thanks for the great advice and for sharing.
i never remove mine because its kinda dangerous without guard with things flying
I've never seen a landscaping crew around that has the shield on. I took mine off and wondered why I kept it on all this time.
Always take the shield off for me, even as I've migrated to the electric trimmers by EGO and Hart. I carry a small set of wirecutters to trim the line if gets uneven. Without the shield I can see where my line is and I have more control around trees and other objects.
I love the EGO trimmers. Never take the shields off them. They are there for a purpose. If they weren't necessary, the wouldn't sell them as part of the line trimmer. Shield on makes the trimmer much more efficient. Longer battery life and more effective cutting. You also void your warranties trimming without the shield. I don't know why you have a problem seeing your line or with control. No issues here.
I depend on the shield to keep me from girdling trees and bushes and protect my ankles from flung gravel. Didn't even 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑘 about engine efficiency. I only wish the shield were expandable to cover more or less area.
That excuse doesn't make any sense the guard does not prevent you from seeing where the string is in fact it gives you a perfectly clear picture of how far away from the center of your head your string is without the guard it could be three or four inches past where the guard would be and you wouldn't know it because it's spinning so fast you can't see it. Removing the guard on a string trimmer is idiotic and there is absolutely no good reason for it.
@@bobbyhempel1513i use to think that way.
Then started trimming head and foot stones at a cemetery. You can reach across the flat stones and only walk half the rows. Vs walking around every single stone with the guard out of the way.
My Stihl trimmer is twenty years old, the only thing I had to do to it is purge bulb finally cracked last week! It’s one I also cut limbs & fire wood for the fire pit. It’s been a nice one.😎
Folks that have you as their Dealer are blessed because you are honest. Not all are this way. Keep up the good work! The guard requirement on the Echo Trimmer is a safety thing, and you know how they push safety. You can switch out the big wide older SRM guard for the newer small guard and have that meet the demand. Besides, the string really can throw a thin piece of shale or sandstone hard enough to knock your eye out. Keep the guard and wear good glasses~
All these people that think they're going to live forever...
The guard doesn't guard nothing
@@Anto-kz5hk I worked for a government contractor.
We used Stihl equipment and I can assure you that having a guard in place does help guard against injury. Now, does it guarantee that the operator will not be hit with something? No, that is why we were fully appropriate PPE, however, it is not likely that the operator will be hit by something with the guard in place.
And like she said, on some newer models, the guard is an integral part of the system and needs to be in place for full functionality.
hell yea i have a stihl fs90 and wasnt even running the trimmer not even half way opened up ye know jus enough to trim around the posts holding up car port and the trimmer STILL kicked a small small gravel towards the front door to my house and guess what .... SHATTERED THE whole door so i cant imagine wha is possible kicking a rock like that running full throttle....some great big ole damage BELIEVE THAT
@@Anto-kz5hk. And whatever was supposed to be guarding your brain didn't guard anything either.
I always run my trimmer without a guard. You can get into tighter places, and it reduces weight. As long as you don't run the string way out, you'll never have issues. The trimmers that were shown that have a bracket built into the gaurd can still be run without the gaurd. You need to remove the bracket from the gaurd and then put the bracket back on the trimmer. Some trimmers you'll need to break the gaurd off the bracket and then put the gaurd back on the trimmer.
I keep mine on because of the cutter, I don't want a foot and a half flying out
I concur!!
I watched the video of the guy that removed the shield I've been mowing commercially for over 20 years so I tried it. Nope I hate being covered with grass, slug goo and dog crap. I put the guard back on. Thank you for the great info.
Always off, it's much better for me, especially when edging, i can see where the line goes with my eyes plus the longer string, the more powerful or easier to cut the grass
I know the guard is there for a reason, but i take it off over the convenience
I understand with edging, but you really dont get more power with more string. I got the Stihl KM 131 R with edger so dont need to flip the machine over.
The guard make zero difference as for visibility. I've never understood why people say that the guard off makes it easier to see it doesn't It's your technique. The guard doesn't obstruct my view at all and I love not having to mess around with string that's too long and use a rock to trim it or a brick wall or something.
I converted my echo pas - 260 combi system to a straight shaft and just put the trimmer head off the attachment on it. Added a darwin grip and been using it for over 10 years total and is the best trimmer i have ever used.I love the trigger system on it but I hate the trigger system on my srm 230.I have never had a single issue out of either trimmer but the pas-260 is just phenomenal. i wasn't using the attachments so i figured what the hell not to mention all the heads from the attachments fit the straight shaft so win win. Love your channel!!!
Having done it both ways, I have settled on a narrow after market guard. Still gives some protection and keeps the string cut to proper length without being near as bulky
I never run my trimmers without a shield. I do however love your Heinz Pickle Pin. Being from Pittsburgh, PA I noticed it immediately!
Love your videos. . .I learn sooooooomuch from you. Thanks again. . .You are the best!
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I work for a Stihl dealership as one of their certified techs. Sales rep came in and was asking all of us what we liked about Stihl, which pieces we personally use, common issues etc...Basically told him what he wanted to hear. When he left I told the store manager it was a damn good thing he wasn't able to take a look in my garage or I'd have been found out 😆...(full of Echo)
Like the blowers but can't stand the 4 mix trimmers
The amount of cam issues I see on those are ridiculous. Plastic cam that's constantly wearing down causing the need for numerous valve adjustments until it's completely gone. Stihl came out with an updated cam cover that funnels the mix more directly onto the lobe, but it hasn't done much to my notice.
@@hoosierdaddy9373 if you run them withous a shield then ofc the cam lobes will wear out because of excessive heat exposure...thats why the line cutter on the shield is of major importance...every inch beyond the correct length add 100 degrees more heat to the engine because the engine runs slower reducing the cooling rate from the flywheel...simple physics...one other to prove my point...how many cams have you replaced on the BR500 and up blowers with the same 4 mix engine...betting hardly any because you cant change the designed operating parameters on those like you can on a trimmer by removing the guard...
@Out of the Box Models i dont know what model you bought but every stihl blower ive ever worked on works great...im sure if you took it back to the dealer you bought from they would have straightened it out...that said everyone isnt perfect but ive found stihl has a much lower issue rate than most in the past...
That seems really dumb. The engines on stihls are way better and its easier to work on stills most of the time. Unless you are just cheap, that seems like a stupid choice.
There is more than a little bit of misinformation on the internet. I have yet to watch one of your videos that I didn't learn something. Your really know your profession, your videos are well done, and a really big plus, you are well spoken and easy to understand. Thanks!
My dad's been in business since the early '90s, and we've always used Shindaiwa's and then Echo's.... With manual heads and no shield. As another commenter said, you use an appropriate length of string.... usually only as much as a shield would let you anyway... However, what you get from taking the guard off is a better view on what you are doing. The only time I let more string out is when I am doing an area when I am basically "mowing" with the trimmer, some place where you can't get with a mower, making sure I am running at full throttle. We never had problems with gear heads. Now that I no longer work for him and I'm a homeowner, we got a new Echo with a speed feed head and I'm having to get used to the bump head. I feel like it's really hard to activate on grass without damaging the grass or the head... I never found it troubling to just tip up the trimmer and manually adjust the string, but that's just my take.....
I'm commercial .as soon as I buy new trimmer shield is taken straight of. Can strim faster edge quicker. If I get 2 seasons out of trimmer I'm happy. Buy a new one and start again. The time I save trimming with gaurd of is well worth it
Your advise is so helpful. I am on a small homestead that is still considered "Residential" (Less than 1 acre) and the "Homeowner" manufacture warranty covers the five year plan. Although I probably use trimmers a little bit more than the average homeowner, it is still covered. Yet another way to save money and a little heartburn for the upkeep on my trimmer. Side note Always hydrate the trimmer line!!!! Thanks to your insight this has been a game changer!!!! Love the vids and please keep them coming. Loyal fan forever!!!!!
What do you mean by hydrating the trimmer line
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@leonardo migot Actually they are... Google Stihl made in China.. www.stihl.com/stihl-factory-in-qingdao-china-celebrates-10th-anniversary.aspx
@@johnfleming68 If your line is dried out, chuck it into water to rehydrate it. Chickanic mentions it in another video about line.
ok Bre this is why keeping the shield on is critical. the knife keeps the lines the same length. and most of that noise is low rpm line slap and if one line is longer than the other the head is out of balance or both are too long the line slap causes a shockwave back to the clutch. the other thing is many users goose the engine while trimming when they should hold full throttle all the time to prevent overheating and keeping the lines fully straight because you cut with the tip of the string if you try to trim with low rpm and a collapsed line you will wear the line in two where the string comes thru the head..
i love your videos. i began fixing small engines 59 years ago when dad gave me a tool set for my birthday.. this started my career as a small engine mechanic..i now restore vintage cub cadets and older john deere garden tractors as a hobby
I'm an Echo dealer myself. Something I'm surprised you didn't mention is the damage to the engine running a trimmer without a guard can cause. Running those long "helicopter" trimmer lines actually bogs the engine down, which then causes excessive carbon buildup inside the engine, and on the muffler screen. I've seen this countless times. And carbon buildup can cause a poor running trimmer. That's one of the biggest reasons for the trimmer guards. To keep the string at a length that allows for optimum performance from the engine.
First thing I do is take the guard off and have ram trimmers for years without a problem. You’ll burn the clutch up before a motor goes. I also remove the spark arrester screen first thing. Just run a little seafoam every now and again you’ll be fine.
@Dr Iatrogenesis you cab tell from the sound of the live is to long. Take it to the sidewalk and hit the gas until it's shorter. This isn't rocket science. Always better without the guard. That thing blocks almost nothing of substance and your can't see what tf you're even trimming
@@johndodo2062learn how to trim
you are 100% right...itell all my friends to never take guard off because of that reason
@@johndodo2062what now????? y ur higher then groceries right now bro wha about cant see wha ur cuttin with the guard on hahaha johndodo i do hope ur jokin 😂 fr
Have a used Redmax trimmer at least 10 years old and have never used a guard and have had no trouble. Hundreds of feet of driveway and yard edging so it gets run hard. Only replaced a couple of heads. We use full face shield and two pair of pants.
I work at a lawn care company and we are hard on our echo trimmers! Drop them on the concrete sometimes hit them with the walkers.
They are somewhat disposable.
We also sometimes run 2-3 foot long string.
How equipment is treated says a lot about the company’s standards. If you treat them better they wouldn’t be disposable! And if you need string that long, u should be using a mower instead
I'm a shield off guy with a Husqvarna 128LD. After watching this video I added a bracket and 2 bolts to keep that piece of metal tight without the shield.
Thanks for the video.
I have a Shindaiwa T230X I bought back in the 90s, still running strong with the original gear head.
Good video. My straight shift I bought in 1993. Runs great. Came with a metal blade and string trimmer. I have replace plastic primer and that is all. But my John Deere tractor is a 185 with the 54 inch deck. My trimmer is a John Deere 30g. Equipment does not have to wear out if you maintain them.
I leave the metal tab on my trimmers but I work at a cemetery and the guard has to go. You have a really informative show. Keep them coming.
How is that possible
What, how, why?
That is why I watch and recommend your channel, because you are honest!!!! Thanks 🙏🏽
Always learn something from you! Next trimmer I buy will have the split shaft. My Shindaiwa trimmer didn't get the memo; It's still going strong, all original, except for a new primer bulb after 18 years.
I had a starting problem for years starting my Stihl trimmer until I watched your video. Now I can start it with no problem. Thanks so much.
I love your honesty and integrity. Thanks for the content; I'm learning a lot.
I have a stihl FS250 trimmer that I have had 15+ years. I haven’t replaced a clutch yet. It’s had a lot of use and never a problem. Only thing I’ve had to do is replace the carburetor and hook loop for the harness.
My OPINION is, after having run lots of trimmers both ways both professionally and at home, I'm can say I feel a bit safer with the guard ON, and the trimmer line being cut to it's proper length by the guard's blade. With the guard OFF, your legs and ankles tend to get pelted with all kinds of debris, especially if you're cutting in an area with alot of dirt, gravel, broken glass, etc. The guard prevents alot of this. Also, with the guard OFF, the trimmer line can get a bit long if you bump the trimmer head too much and you can get line that is too long, doesn't cut well, can wrap around things and creates slot of drag on the engine which forces you to rev the engine higher to keep the line stiffer for cutting. Puts alot of strain on the engine. For me, there's no "great debate". Guard ON. 😁👍
Well Said!!
You're gonna get pegged whether the gaurd is on or off....
@@JenkinsMowing86 but getting pegged less is actually kinda nice.
I concur
@@KF1 to be honest I don't notice much of a difference. One plus I've noticed of running with no gaurd is I go thru much less string for some reason
I have FS85R thats 22 years old that hasnt needed any service done to it yet. When I bought it new I changed the shield to the brush cutter shield cause I didnt like style of the trimmer shield. All I did was run fresh 2 cycle mix fuel since day 1 of when it was purchased. Nice video
That is because it is the BEST Stihl trimmer ever made. I wish I had a new one of those! It would outlast me. I am starting to see them all fizzle out though. After 20+ years the whole machines are worn plum out.
In my opinion the BEST small, light and powerful curved shafts Stihls were the FS 72 and 74’s with the FS 76 basically having the same engine but with a straight shaft and handlebar to make a brushcutter.
These early FS models were lightweight and powerful and designed fir people who couldn’t lug a FS 75 or 80 for long. The modern day counterpart is the FS 38 and 45 line which are complete junk in comparison.
Take a FS 72,74,76 motor and install a short straight shaft and old style polesaw gearhead. Talk about a mean short polesaw for close in de-limbing of trees.
With my Stihl FS 66, Made in Japan, I run it( I have two) with the shield off as it will run a longer string with the shield off and I can nearly double my productivity with the longer string and it also seems to use less string when I run it long. I have been running them that way for around 30 years. I do however grease the heads with Stihl grease twice a year.
Many years ago, when I owned a commercial lawn business, we took the shields off, since it made it easier to see when edging. That said, I only recall one trimmer having the motor "wear out". Never had one wear out the gear head. All of the other trimmers ended up getting stolen or we sold them used to get the newer model. I have a 15 year old straight shaft Echo 230 with original carb that I still use at the house and has the guard as well as a an Echo 3020T that I use on my ranch. Both have guards. Getting older and dislike getting pelted with stuff and not doing a whole lot of edging, anymore.
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I took the guard off my plug-in Stihl and now it works very well, can even mow the yard without it getting too warm. With the guard on it would barely function because it was SO close to the string. I keep a magnet on the upper shaft pipe and a pair of dog nail trimmers to clean the line.
The shields induce an air-flow drag that maintains tension up the shaft through the clutch when running, the question about that customer's unit is whether the clutch readily when it gets pushed into grass at idle.
I already get pelted with a lot of debris when I use my trimmer. I'd never use it without the shield. Always appreciate your input.
Down in south Florida back a while, we only ran Shindiawa T25 and T27’s. Before we even started them the shield was removed. They ran for years without any trouble.
I guess if someone is hellbent on running it without the guard, but realises there could be some maintenance issues for doing so, they could just leave the bracket in place and take an angle grinder to the plastic guard.
Sweet, thanks for telling us that buying the whole attachment is cheaper than the head. I did not know this. Nice shorts👍
I had a shindaiwa T27 in the early 90s to 2006. It was amazing and the only thing I had to replace was a gas tank. They were great back then. Good old days.
I leave the guards on mine, I also sharpen the line cutter so the strings are the same length for balance. When I was working in a shop we started putting zerk fittings in the shaft tube to grease the shaft as well as the head. BAD idea!! The grease softened the rubber bushings holding the shaft centered and they spun out leaving the shaft to wobble. I ended up replacing the shaft tube on my own cutter. That was a Sach and in the mid to late 80s.
We take them off as soon as we buy them. Once you've ran them for awhile you can judge how much string you can run without bogging it down. We had a contract that required them so we drilled a couple hole further back on the shield and put cutting blade there to increase the cutting diameter
this also what i do
Yep easy to carry a very small pair of cutters in your pocket to, i cut my ends frequently anyways so there's a fresh cutting edge
I have a green machine 2800 I bought it in 1990 .. I’ve used it commercially when I had a lawn service.. I have a blade on it now… and I still use it at least once a week…. It’s a awesome machine… I wish they still made them… thanks for your videos girl…
Just so you'll know. Husqvarna's have a standard 2 yr warranty. There is extended warranty available 3, 4 and even a 5 yr warranty with stipulations. And the units need to be registered thru Husqvarna. Which is something the big chain stores don't even fool with. All the more reason to buy a unit from a specialty store like yours Bre. Sometimes a little extra money at a specialty shop saves a lot of headaches in the future. Love your videos 👍
I am way over in the UK,but still find your advice priceless,keep up these videos,I love them
As an Echo mechanic for many years, I have seen just how the missing line shield can damage the machine. Mostly on commercially used units, but also on some residential units with guards removed, and the lines clearly WAY too long. Which causes the small engine to lack the power to drive such a load at high enough RPM to make the clutch engage completely--without slipping--which gets the clutch parts so hot that the springs lose tension (making the head not freewheel at idle) and causing excessive heat around the clutch cover, etc--and possibly melting the plastic and destroying bearings on some other trimmer models. Troybilt are worst. How you gonna set down a curved shaft running with the guard removed? YOUR machine--YOU are gonna pay for the repairs if you cause damage from running too heavy a load with too long lines. Not me.
I appreciate your comment. The line being too long because the cutter attached to the shield is not there makes sense. Additionally, I had not idea what kind of problems that caused.
That was my first thought. Most things like that are there for a reason.
Brilliant explanation, thanks 👍👌👏
I've seen them last 7 years with no guard on... used every day
Yes, these landscapers that do this are are stupid
I have a Husqvarna 324L straight shaft trimmer for over 10 years now and have used this trimmer heavily without the shield with no issues. I do my own maintenance and ensure it runs in tip top shape each season. I usually do more than 2 to 3 hours in trimming with round line 0.95 in a day when in use. This by far has been the best trimmer I've ever used and if Husqvarna will continue to make it I will buy it. I've had no issues with the shield off of it. It's easier to get in between areas I couldn't usually get to before and it makes for quick and easy work. I do use a full face shield when using it though. Love your videos!
the primary function for the shield isnt to protect the operator from flying rocks but more to do with the thermodynamics of the cooling efficency for the engine. the line is cut to optimize the heat generated to the cooling airflow generated by the flywheel...its at harmoney when the line is cut to length by the shield...when you operate the line longer the engine runs slower with the same or more heat generated and cooling airflow is lower and cant keep the heat from afftecting the engine...a good comparison is a car engine running at peak rpm...with cooling compacituy at 100% is ok but now the same engine is generating the same or more heat at an 80% cooling capacity....problems will happen over time...
Thanks for explaining that. I’ve used Stihl’s largest trimmers for years to keep my rural property safe from wildfires. I’ve always used the shields. I have to buy a new shield after a a few years due to wear from thrown debris-they help. I also like to frequently advance my line to maintain max efficiency-a sharp cutter is way better than having to manually cut the line.
Long story short, string to long overloads the engine
They call me Mr Engineer Tim! Excellent comment dude! 👍
@@georgedavall9449 Tim, it would be great to have someone like you in my part of the woods. Thanks, Ted
Exactly, I was surprised she did not make any mention of that in the video. The main reason besides protection is to make sure the line is not longer then the mfg intended so as to not put strain on the engine.
I’ve got a couple of straight shaft weedeaters I have a stihl 110R and a Green machine 2800… the green machine I bought in 1990 and I used commercially for 2 years and I use it weekly now … in my opinion the green machine was the best one ever made..thanks for your videos…
to me the guard is in the way ,but alot of people don't realize u can take the little screw on the side put few drops of gear oil in the head the bearings and gears will last alot longer
iv found that adding grease one or twice a year help big time
What is the guard in the way of? I use a string trimmer for upwards of 6 hours a day multiple days a week and have never had a problem with a guard being in the way.
Did lawn maintenance for 40 years and always used STihl trimmers36-39 cc. Never used protector, never had gear head or clutch problem. I noticed most commercial folks today use 21 -25 cc trimmers which would be a lot more sensitive to heavy loads
The main reason I don't like them is the auto cut keeps the length of the string at least 35% less than what I like but again, I use 36 cc and up
I'd like to also add that ot depends on the comfort level of the operator of the trimmer along with proper safety gear just as you mentioned.
Keep up the great job!!!
Try running a straight shaft trimmer, Left Handed, without the shield, it'll go back on pretty darn quickly!
I take my guards off, but not so much to run longer line as to trim around obstacles like fenceposts easier. And we use mainly .095" line to prevent the motor from working too hard and just kick out length a bit more often. Would never run .105" with no guard and long lines.
I have a large wet area that I keep mowed with an Echo commercial trimmer that takes me at least an hour to cut. I upgraded to the larger shield rather than the narrow one that came with the machine, so I don't know how someone stands to run one with all of the junk hitting you. I will continue to run mine with the shield on. By the way I use a face shield until it gets too hot to stand it then, I just use safety glasses.
Excellent common sense comment Lloyd! 👍
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I have been in the lawn care business for 23 years and just last year I finally decided to try with the shields off, I will never run shields again, what a game changer.
I have an FS 85 that I bought used in 2001. No shield when I got it. Still runs great. Motor leaks a little.
Since 91, I've had my own lawn service in Florida, Orton golf courses in Florida, and North Carolina, plus maintain my own 3 Acre property. That's my experience. The most durable weed eater I've ever used was still fs80. The best weed eater that I love to use was Robin down at the golf course. I used to be able to weed eat with eitherhand you know in my sixties and I'd Amaze these young guys. I've always run my trimmers with the guard off so I can see what I was weed eating, and put a nice Edge on the lawn. My bosses liked it at the golf courses. I am surprised you didn't tell the people to take those that bolt right up top and kiss some grease in there that's exactly what you do you kiss it in there once a year that's all you have to do are you won't have any gearbox problems. When the golf courses bought husqvarna's, they broke they're junk. Echo and shindawa were back up weed eaters then and back and back up weed eaters now. If you're on the business you should be running a steel fs55 or fs80. stihl 4 cycle eqipment dont have the Rs to do what im doing. In your video, you need to be knocking off a couple of inches off your string, its too long. Look at the plastic around your exhaust port to see if you're working the weedeater too hard. And while I'm thinking about it I use the diamond string or a square , it does a a better job. I can always tell a lawn where the uninformed gardener has been using round string.
I saw the same video and tried it on my Stihl. I used it two times (about 3 tanks of gas) and hated it without the shield. I put it back on. About 75% of my trimming is turned up edging walks and driveways. Glad you did this video. Great, just like the rest of your videos.
When you take off the guard it also removes the cutting blade. When your strings are not the same length,you get a wobble that destroys bearings and clutches.
Maybe true with the new junk but my guard has been off my T230 since 1997. And never have I replaced those parts!
Yeah not really, the line gets trimmed to the same length by whatever you are cutting. The only real negatives are more broken windows and sometimes you bump the head too much in rough terrain and the string ends up too long. Then you have to stop and wind it back in a few clicks.
Yes, exactly! Thank you for speaking up what I was thinking as I read these far fetched comments.
If taking the quote plastic guard off the trimmer will ruin the motor that weedeater must be made pretty poor to begin with im not buying taking the guard off will cause any damage if the line is to long just snip it shorter thats a no brainer
I am a homeowner with several hundred feet of driveway to edge along with dozens of trees. I haven’t used a guard in over 30 years and have only worn out a few heads. We have Redmax trimmers and they have plenty of power even when we over extend the string.
A TRUE experienced commercial landscaper will not only remove the shield, but he will also replace the head with a manual-feed head. They can lengthen and shorten the line as needed for the specific spot they are trimming. This takes any overload off the head and gears that would be caused by an excessive amount of line out.
I "borrowed" a Shindaiwa T242 from my mother's ex-husband about 10 years ago. I just now yesterday had to put a new carburetor on it but that's only because one of the adjustment screws was stripped. Also it has not a had shield during my possession with no issues. Only cutting a conventional neighborhood size yard though.
Very well done video. Someone mentioned removing the screw on the side of the head and adding a few drops of gear oil and stated your gears and bearings will last longer. Is there PM maintenance that we can perform on our heads that can extend their life? Perhaps you can do a PM video(s) on this matter. Thanks.
Very well requested Sam P. Was wondering that myself. I know Husqvarna and Stihl sell a special bevel gear grease for the heads but it is super expensive. I ran across an OEM recommendation from a different manufacturer stating that an EP 00 grease will suffice. That is what I run in the gear box of my snow thrower. So I went down the road of research on EP 00 grease. Apparently it is a mineral oil base with lithium soap added to give it the extreme pressure designation. Additionally, the mineral oil base does not destroy self-lubricating brass-graphite bushings where as the petroleum based gear lubes will have a deleterious effect on said bushings. Would love to hear the master Chickanic weigh in on this given her years of judgement and experience. Cheers
My sthil FS-250 is 9 years old, never been in the shop, still running great, it does double duty as a trimmer, and a 14 inch bar polesaw on 4-1/2 acres 😊
I used to use mine with them on, but once I took them off I never went back. The increased productivity was why I decided to run them off, and the common complaint about worn out clutch or gear head, that’s only when you let the line get way too long for an extended period of time. I am careful to not let it get too long, and I haven’t had any probs with them; Stihl FS-94R is the one I typically run.
Same here, I use echoes and have been running all my weedeaters without the guards and haven't had any mechanical issues and I can see no difference in debris being thrown back at you with or without the guard. But I've been doing this so long commercially that I can feel the motor start to bog down immediately from the string being too long. I rarely even get the string too long anymore because it's almost like a sixth sense at this point to keep the string at the right length.
I've always ran my trimmers without guards I like it better
Older Hus’ 128LD straight: I use the shield to back into saplings and fence posts, etc. It also has the string cutter for string trimming.
As usual I learned a lot from you today. I've had the clutch issue before with several line trimmers. I usually just get a new one when my line trimmer goes out, got an 18v Ryobi 7 years ago, it's still going strong and has outlasted every gas powered line trimmer I've had. I have many batteries and have enough to finish every job I do. I serviced, sharpened and cleaned my 8 chain saws yesterday because of your inspiring videos. Thank You! By the way, don't mean it inappropriately, but you got really nice legs, had to give credit where credit is due. 😉 But you're probably the sexiest chainsaw repair artist in the country, so you have cred!
I don't use a guard. My use case is around trees and a long several hundred feet of chain link fence, only using trimmer line. Since I'm not using any dangerous accessories, it's more versatile without the shield and I don't lose trimmer line to the shield cutoff feature.
Love your videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge so that I have the balls to try fixing my machines.
I have a Shindaiwa T262, had it for 3 summers now and no issues. I mow about 8 yards as a side hustle here in N.Ms.I will get another one.
My shaft got straight when I saw the thumbnail.
Hello Chickanic great site I have been working at Professional lawn care Council and My own Business since 1999 I have never removed a guard been hit in My face and all over My body many times I now wear a hard Hat and face shield cheers Michael Sunshine Coast Australia.
THANK YOU! I've been a certified outdoor power equipment technician for 30 years, I have worked in many dealerships and also have owned my own company since 1997. Everything you said here in this video is spot on! One more thing I might add, is that there are liability issues as well. We do not let a trimmer out of the shop without the guard on it, because if the user gets hurt, or hurts someone else, we are at fault and could be sued. What the user does with it after it leaves the shop is up to them, but it does not go out that door without a guard on it, and we let the customer know before even taking it in to the shop that this is the case, and if they argue, we don't work on them, period. Same goes for people who tape or tie the engine brake bars on their mowers, or remove the spark arrest screens from saws and trimmers, they do not leave the shop without that being remedied.
I am about to either stop taking in units without shields, or tell people they WILL be buying one before it leaves..
@@DB-zp9un that should help your business.
@@thepitpatrol /shrug wont make much difference one way or the other in the grand scheme of things.. I just know without shields they ARE more dangerous, it DOES put more stress on the whole unit and are a bigger pain to work one and hang / store without shields on them also..
@@DB-zp9un how is it a bigger pain to work and store? I agree it will put an additional load. I just don't understand how it makes it harder to store and use.
@@thepitpatrol Well unless you have tons of storage area that you can lay trimmers on the ground, I know lots of dealers hang trimmers by the string head area.. Without a shield, you're just asking for a headache literally... As far as working on them, unless you have one of those trimmer holders when working on, which I've had very limited luck with, if adjusting carb and stuff it's nice to be able to have it sitting on the bench and run it.. With no shield on it, that ain't happening.
I bought an echo SRM-210 15 years ago and it is still going strong. I live in southeast Louisiana, so the longest period of time the trimmer sits up is about 6 weeks . I’ve never run ethanol through it.
Only thing I will say is this. I have used with guard on and off. It's been a noticeable change in the cutting capacity. I experienced it being worse cut without guard to maintain the correct radius and speed of string. Whereas with the current length it cuts faster and more reliable.
Always used my Echo srm-225 with no shield. I can see what I'm doing much better. I also never advance the line by bumping, I just turn the head and let a little line out here and there as I'm working manually. I don't like the idea of the trim line being cut off and waisted, it's easy to let the right amount of line out as needed. I've got to be careful edging sidewalks to make sure I'm off to the side in case a rock gets kicked out when running it vertically.
I watched a 1 inch lump of stone (seemingly in slow motion) fly across the yard and through a fence panel afterbeing kicked up by my mid sized strimmer, so for safety reasons I'd recommend you leave the guard in place, that and If your machine is still under warranty as you can void your warranty if not used as recommended. But at the end of the day its up to the user and weather they have the safety of themselves and others in mind! And funnily enough I think I watched said video the other day and thought "what a numbskull"
Oh and one final thought, the guard has the string cutter built in to limit the amount the head can get out of balance, that'll slowly destroy the head.
I like her, I bought a $600 Sthil brush cutter.. Put a cord on it. I used it 15 years.. Gave it to a friend. I have electric now due to vibration issues with my hands. It runs perfect still.
Interesting and informative that some models use the friction grip of the guard to absorb some of the torque between the gearhead and the shaft. And very useful info about how to save a few bucks on the gearhead. Thank you.
If I may, however, I think you missed the core of the issue. If you remove the string cutter to run a longer string and cut a larger 'swath', you are pushing the trimmer's loading. Longer string takes more force to spin, which means more throttle to spin at the same speed (more wear?), more force to spin up suggesting a longer time in the 'slip' phase of the clutch (more wear?) and more torque across the gearhead to keep the longer string spinning while cutting (more wear?). Think of it as like trying to play baseball with a 5 foot long bat. If you do a part 2 on this I'd love to see you address the longer string issues.
I have a Stihl FS 80 that my dad bought brand new. The guard is still on it and the only thing I’ve done to it is about 4 years ago I had to put a new carburetor on it and it hasn’t missed a beat since. I use .095 square line and it still does a wonderful job. Just had to replace the head this past week too. Keep up the great work!!!!
I took the guard off my T230 in 1997 and it's been off ever since. Long string is cut with wire cutters. Not one accident from flying debris, and it's still running strong to this day
You hold wire cutters while you trim?
@@projectseventyone The string never gets too long when I trim because I am no amateur
Home owner in s.e.Az, high desert. Tumble weeds, catclaw, baby mesquite, Bermuda & lots of dirt... Had my Maruyama BT23L for 7+ years now... Still got the original shield, with the original cutting blade on it. During the season, June to October, I use (re: beat the hell out it) it weekly and it has yet to fail me!
Never had a clutch issue on my STIHL's. The shield keeps the string at the proper length and weight. Too long of string the RPM drops and you lose cutting efficiency.
This ^^^. Richard here beat me to the point I wanted to make. When I tried without the guard, I gotta say it was nice and nimble, easier to work around things. But I had the same problem, to the point that I thought the carb had fallen out of adjustment. Then I ran up along some rocks and the line shortened, and suddenly it was spinning faster again. It was just too easy to get too much line spun out. Put the guard back on and problem solved. Crazy that just a couple inches of line can put that much stress on the machine.
Thank you very much sir I've been advising these local imbeciles we have around here,ah yes, I tell them your RPM'S will drop significantly and this drops productivity not to mention that your engine is designed to run (WFO) WIDE F...... OPEN.
@@jonathanwillard1776 as a retired STIHL tech and been to countless STIHL schools the engineers explained how things work. And of course one needs a grasp of centrifugal forces. Imbeciles! 😂 that's funny!
I use a guard but u save line and weight. U take it off just don't let it get super long then rpm won't b a problem and have best of both worlds. Just can't be a goof ball n hit the head n let 20ft out all the time lol
@@dustyscott3107 I have a decent quality Echo trimmer, and the difference between working well and struggling was like 2", at most. And pretty much impossible for me to discern while running it through weeds, etc. Did NOT have to get "super long" or "20ft" to cause problems.
I bought a Robin trimmer about 20 years age and tried running it without the shield and it wouldn't running right it would bog the engine down . But it still runs great after all these years .
I'm new to gas lawn equipment and I'm only using it for residential. I enjoy watching your tips and informative advice. With that said, I purchased an Echo PAS 2960 attachments. very happy with my purchase.
Pro landscape here, have 1 with & 1 w/o guard depending on job and where at. Both are Echos & have electric too!
If you use high torque trimmers with the "T" designation in the model number, you should be able to run without the guard. Main thing is listen to what your engine is telling you. I have units that destroyed the clutch from people not listening to the engine, ( all standard models,) but yet to have any high torque models wear a clutch out.
I haven't watched the video yet, so I don't know what is being said. But we go through several gallons of two stroke mix per week, trimming around tombstones, large commercial buildings, etc. We do lots, I mean more than average amounts of trimming even for a lawn care company.
Good video. I just subscribed because of it. The manufacturer put the guard on for a reason. They wouldn't do it otherwise. Cost being #1. Someone got hurt, or there was a lawsuit before the guard was added. Look at the mowers and chainsaws from the 1950s! I'm old enough to have owned and used a 1950s Remington and a 1960s McColluch chainsaw.